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Speaker 2: We would like to acknowledge the traditional custodians and payer
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Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen, can I please have your attention? This
Speaker 3: is my final MATHS related interview.
Speaker 1: Are they talking about me?
Speaker 3: She's like yep, it was Australia's reactions paused a lot
Speaker 3: of drama and they never got it. It just went nuts.
Speaker 1: Hello and welcome back to back to reality.
Speaker 2: I'm Selena and I'm Tany.
Speaker 1: And today we have the most exciting guests. We have
Speaker 1: been wanting this person so long and back to reality.
Speaker 1: She has grace Dale screens many times. She not only
Speaker 1: one Love Island, she was a bombshell on another season
Speaker 1: one on Love Island Games. And she's just come back
Speaker 1: from the jungle. She's just done. I'm a celeb. Get
Speaker 1: me out of here. It is Tina Product.
Speaker 3: What an intro? Ks g on the intro. I love that.
Speaker 1: It's been a hot minute. I've been saying please come
Speaker 1: on for so long.
Speaker 2: You're finally.
Speaker 3: Yes, you did, I feel like you know? Schedules looked
Speaker 3: and busy.
Speaker 1: Yes, naturally now tell us everything? Why?
Speaker 3: Why? Yeah? Everything why I was doing.
Speaker 2: Why did you decide to go on I'm a slept
Speaker 2: talk us through?
Speaker 3: Oh gosh, I think you know, after heading into the
Speaker 3: villa one too many times, I was definitely keen to
Speaker 3: do something like not many people would want to venture
Speaker 3: outside the Spanish villa, like it is absolutely beautiful, But
Speaker 3: for me, I just wanted to challenge myself in like
Speaker 3: a new way. And honestly, I was just so excited
Speaker 3: to get out of like the dating yes Tell Advised
Speaker 3: Australian TV. Yeah, I just was so excited not to date.
Speaker 3: I feel like after like going on Love Island, it
Speaker 3: really just jaded me going on dating shows. I'm sure
Speaker 3: you guys like feel the same, Like once you do one,
Speaker 3: you're kind of like, where is the love of my life?
Speaker 3: Like are they here?
Speaker 1: Don't exist?
Speaker 3: So having that pressure kind of like taken off was
Speaker 3: really exciting to me. And obviously like it's for charity,
Speaker 3: so there's a great pause behind it, but beyond that,
Speaker 3: like being able to just do something new and I'm
Speaker 3: fully aware that it's like the coolest thing I will
Speaker 3: ever do. Like how many times you're ever going to
Speaker 3: be in the middle of a jungle in South Africa,
Speaker 3: Like that's never gonna happen again. I feel like that's
Speaker 3: a pretty cool experience. I just couldn't say no to it. No.
Speaker 2: I literally was thinking, because you have obviously I know you,
Speaker 2: and you have such a like fun personality, and I
Speaker 2: feel like on the Love Islands you don't really see it,
Speaker 2: and I think people don't really know like wh you
Speaker 2: are as a person. So seeing you in the challenges
Speaker 2: and stuff was just like, yes, like this is a
Speaker 2: teater that like we know, but like people will be like.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, she's actually like funny and cute, and
Speaker 3: I just cried all the time, Like on Love Island,
Speaker 3: like you're just like pining over people like all the time.
Speaker 3: Like there are moments that I guess you get to
Speaker 3: be yourself, but so much of like dating shows center
Speaker 3: around like your relationship for sure with that other person,
Speaker 3: and I feel like, especially as girls, I just feel
Speaker 3: like we get positioned as like going after like the
Speaker 3: guys a lot of the time and like that narrative.
Speaker 3: So getting out of that was like so important for
Speaker 3: me and getting to like show people more of who
Speaker 3: I am because I feel like unless you like follow
Speaker 3: me or know me, just like wouldn't get that at.
Speaker 1: All because as a fellow POC, anytime I see another
Speaker 1: fellow Asian on my screen, especially on Australian reality TV,
Speaker 1: I'm like, yes, yeah, it was so good to see you.
Speaker 3: For sure. I feel like even like growing up, like
Speaker 3: I would like watch High Five and like Kathleen, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I was like, yes, I love Kathleen. So I know,
Speaker 3: like from experience, it definitely does make a difference when
Speaker 3: you see people who like look like you on the
Speaker 3: screens and having a solid ex experience where you get
Speaker 3: time because I feel like so often I watched The
Speaker 3: Bachelor and they'll be like a perc in like that
Speaker 3: first cocktail party and they go up and I might
Speaker 3: never see them again. In fact, they didn't even get
Speaker 3: to know her name, Like where did she go? Bring
Speaker 3: her back? Like that don't last that.
Speaker 2: Long and there No, it's such a true point, like
Speaker 2: I feel like you notice it more when you're like
Speaker 2: actively looking on it, but then sometimes you take its
Speaker 2: to back you're like, oh wow, it's just a lot
Speaker 2: of the same type people on mainstream media and it's like,
Speaker 2: oh okay, So when you do notice that when you're
Speaker 2: doing someone that's more like you or you're.
Speaker 1: Like, oh, yeah, that's why representation is so important, because what,
Speaker 1: what's your background?
Speaker 3: So my mum is from the Philippines and then my
Speaker 3: dad's Caucasian. I was gonna say Astralian, Like what is that?
Speaker 3: So yeah, my mom's pillow so I've got that in me.
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, it was a big thing for me
Speaker 3: being able to like play that like part in media
Speaker 3: and have like diversity.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well even I felt that like watching you, because
Speaker 2: I obviously watched your Love Island season, I was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, Sleigh. But also I feel like I
Speaker 2: always noticed when someone is like Asian or I just like, oh,
Speaker 2: they're giving like an Asian vibe. I don't know, I
Speaker 2: just feel like, yeah, that she's Asian or she's one
Speaker 2: of us. Yeah, so when I saw I was like yes,
Speaker 2: And even like going back to your time on Love Island,
Speaker 2: like there was times where I felt like you'll maybe
Speaker 2: mugged off.
Speaker 3: Or things that happened.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, and you had that moment when
Speaker 2: you're talking about like the experience of dating, and it's
Speaker 2: so interesting seeing it like play out on TV as
Speaker 2: well in that in that setting. But I was like, yeah, Wow,
Speaker 2: it's so refreshing to see it, but also like eye
Speaker 2: opening to like what the experience can be like.
Speaker 3: But no, I loved.
Speaker 2: Watching you on this setting because it was so different.
Speaker 2: It wasn't focusing on the dating, even though they tried
Speaker 2: to a little bit.
Speaker 3: The Harrison thing, I actually can't deal.
Speaker 2: I was like, this is not I don't what's going on.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's not a thing. Yeah, let's shut
Speaker 3: that down. But anytime I like post a TikTok at
Speaker 3: the moment, but where's Harrison, I don't know. I don't
Speaker 3: know where Harrison.
Speaker 2: People at the beach Ba's.
Speaker 3: Bond eyed I do and life saving things. But it's
Speaker 3: funny because, like you, I go on I like wondered
Speaker 3: if he was getting similar comments as well. So I
Speaker 3: went on his like TikTok or whatever he has. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I went on Harrison's TikTok and there's like no comments
Speaker 3: like asking, but on all of mine. Literally, I just
Speaker 3: feel like when you're a woman, like people are so interested.
Speaker 3: I mean, to be fair, I do have like the
Speaker 3: love I on background. Maybe my audience she's interested in
Speaker 3: like who I'm dating. But it's just interesting that like
Speaker 3: I get all the all of those comments, even in
Speaker 3: like interviews I did following, like with media like like
Speaker 3: what happened? I'm like, you would know if there was
Speaker 3: a kiss, they would have been like producers would have
Speaker 3: been right, Yes, Yeah, I did hear from some producers
Speaker 3: that they were like rooting for it. I'm like for what?
Speaker 3: For what? It's just not the environment to find love.
Speaker 3: Like I'm pretty sure. Within the first like ten minutes
Speaker 3: of Harrison being in the I walked out and I
Speaker 3: was like, guys, announcement, I have finally I finally done
Speaker 3: a poo Yeah, I finally don't like not this chick?
Speaker 3: Can we please to the pooh? Situation? Is that vultable?
Speaker 2: But like so many ques situation is it like a
Speaker 2: drop toilet?
Speaker 3: Is it like a port? I was most interested, not interested.
Speaker 3: It's like the wrong word concerned. My biggest concern before
Speaker 3: going in was like the toilets, like what are we
Speaker 3: working with? What are we working with? And tany you
Speaker 3: and I were at Beyond the Valley over New Years
Speaker 3: and I was asking Callum, who obviously did.
Speaker 2: Love Iland, can we just clarify Tina did not tell
Speaker 2: me before going to the jungle. I saw it live,
Speaker 2: and I was like, this bitch has lied. Wait, don't
Speaker 2: know why I didn't ask where you were going because
Speaker 2: you've been away weeks on time. I was like, slack,
Speaker 2: she's going another brand trip or something.
Speaker 3: And I watched.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god. But at BTV we
Speaker 2: were chatting about it and you brought it up, and
Speaker 2: I was like seeing. I was like, what item would
Speaker 2: you bring and just having this like wholesome conversation, not
Speaker 2: realizing she's going into the jungle, and then I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: how uncomfortable will you felt.
Speaker 3: I didn't film CUMF because I brought it up because
Speaker 3: I wanted to know about the toilet. I asked Callum
Speaker 3: like it was, what are the toilets like? And he
Speaker 3: threw me off because he said it was like a pulley.
Speaker 1: Yes, like a bucket.
Speaker 2: He was saying, it was a bucket of ship and
Speaker 2: then you pull it up and you'd have to take
Speaker 2: it and pull it up like a thingy and then
Speaker 2: that's what I took out of it, and then you
Speaker 2: have to empty the bucket into like another hole somewhere.
Speaker 3: So I was like, ew, I would just.
Speaker 1: Not prove it the whole.
Speaker 3: He made it sound worse, but it is bad. It's
Speaker 3: not a pulley because it's a drop toilet. Why would
Speaker 3: that happen? So basically from the top it is like
Speaker 3: a drop toilet situation, but it looks like a toilet
Speaker 3: seat and stuff is like charcoal and sawdus, so you
Speaker 3: put the sawdust after you like go, so that like
Speaker 3: absorbs the charcoal masks the scent. I feel like that
Speaker 3: stretched to say that it's doing either of those shings,
Speaker 3: but that's in theory of what it should sit doing.
Speaker 3: And then each morning there's like a rotation of chores
Speaker 3: we all do, and cleaning the TOIDs is one. But
Speaker 3: all you have to do is you like go down
Speaker 3: the bottom. There's like a little door you un lock
Speaker 3: and there is a bucket a poo. You like, you
Speaker 3: got a lid before you skid, is what we say,
Speaker 3: because you don't want any overflow. So my god, yes, yes,
Speaker 3: but you put gloves up. We would put gloves on,
Speaker 3: like pull it out and then you like take shapes, yeah,
Speaker 3: poo gloves. I did it like three times, which I
Speaker 3: feel like was enough. If I was there for twenty
Speaker 3: five days, I'm like, that's my bit. Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 3: I wanted to do it, so then I had the
Speaker 3: full experience, feel like I was doing something and you
Speaker 3: do it by yourself, would you? I had to have
Speaker 3: someone help me because it was so heavy and like
Speaker 3: the whe is like sloshing around. It's just like so on.
Speaker 2: No, it's the mixture of the both textures and smells.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, I'm constipated, So why am I picking
Speaker 3: up all of your poop? Because I can't even sort
Speaker 3: my own business out right now.
Speaker 2: I would be terrified to pooh in that environment because
Speaker 2: I'm just like, no, it's not right, not for me.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys watched Too Hot to
Speaker 2: Handle Chloe On Too Hot to Handle had to go
Speaker 2: to hospital because she refused to pooh the whole time
Speaker 2: and then she had like an infection because she just
Speaker 2: couldn't pooh.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: She was panicking about being in a group settings and
Speaker 2: not pooing.
Speaker 3: I was like, fair enough, I did that. When I
Speaker 3: was fifteen, I went on a holiday with my first
Speaker 3: boyfriend and there was a hurricane or a cyclone, so
Speaker 3: they like, weren't you weren't you couldn't flush the toilets
Speaker 3: for some reason. You had to go down to the
Speaker 3: rab a hole bucket of water and then manually do it.
Speaker 3: But I'm like, I'm not going to make an announcement
Speaker 3: right now, but that I need to go. Like I
Speaker 3: was mortified, like at fifteen in your first relationship as
Speaker 3: far as your boyfriend's concerned as girls don't pooh. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I was running with that narrative at that point
Speaker 3: and I came back to Australia and I'm like, I'm
Speaker 3: not well. The stomach was like protruding. It was so
Speaker 3: I couldn't risk it in the jungles, like we're not
Speaker 3: doing this again.
Speaker 1: I just have to know about periods though, How does
Speaker 1: that work?
Speaker 3: Do you tell the juices? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Like so period I can't do any shark or crocodile.
Speaker 3: My god, true, I don't know if there's sharks and
Speaker 3: like crocodiles and crocodiles true, true, they can smell. Okay,
Speaker 3: So I'm on the pil So I was like, there's
Speaker 3: no way. Yeah, absolutely whistling even in there. We're gonna skip,
Speaker 3: We're gonna skip. But I think what the situation was
Speaker 3: there was like a little like box with sanitary things
Speaker 3: in it. But I'm pretty sure, you couldn't chuck that
Speaker 3: in the drop toilet. You had to like just kind
Speaker 3: of like place it back in the paper bag and
Speaker 3: the next day when you're emptying out the things, I
Speaker 3: think you like, I don't know, yeah, so I think
Speaker 3: there was things in place, but the recommendation would be
Speaker 3: like they didn't say that you had to, but it's easier,
Speaker 3: like if you can skip away period.
Speaker 1: Because I'm like, which I love period on im Like, girl,
Speaker 1: you gotta that stresses That's what's always stressed me out
Speaker 1: about this. I'm like, oh my god. Some of the challenges,
Speaker 1: Like one of the first ones you did, you were
Speaker 1: in a tank water and it was freezing cold. I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, my pad would have been soaking.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, imagine pads just like floating in the tank.
Speaker 3: You're like in the water. Is that a start, right? Yes?
Speaker 3: I feel like I wouldn't recommend like, if your ladies
Speaker 3: are planting on heading in, don't bring your packets. I
Speaker 3: think you've gotta I think you've gotta make the switch
Speaker 3: to tampons to feel more secure. You can get if
Speaker 3: you're swimwear. Actually you can only bring in like six
Speaker 3: pairs of underwear.
Speaker 2: Well, I wanted to ask about, okay, six six pairs,
Speaker 2: how you wash them?
Speaker 3: Just like my hands. You get so you get like
Speaker 3: this eco soap because we love the environment, but everything
Speaker 3: goes back into the water pretty much like there's like
Speaker 3: this cute little stream and you like wash me there,
Speaker 3: but everything goes into it. So you get soap, which
Speaker 3: I'm not convinced is so like it doesn't start. It's
Speaker 3: doesn't feel like it's cleaning. You just have to live
Speaker 3: with the fact that you get filthy, like sometimes we will.
Speaker 3: Is there too much charge left ere? And you just
Speaker 3: have to live with that.
Speaker 1: You just like shampoo toothpaste? Is that provided?
Speaker 3: It's all Yeah, so everyone gets the same thing going in.
Speaker 3: So all you go in with is like your backpack
Speaker 3: with like two pairs of pants, two T shirts. I
Speaker 3: was under the impression we were getting double the amount.
Speaker 3: That was not the case. There was one pair of shorts,
Speaker 3: one pair of long pants. I'm like, oh, oh, that's
Speaker 3: not enough options. It's hot, and then you hand wash everything,
Speaker 3: so you just pretty much like live in your own fields.
Speaker 3: Like I would go wash my hands and by the
Speaker 3: time I got back to my bed, I was like
Speaker 3: my hands are dirty again, Like what is this? What
Speaker 3: is that?
Speaker 2: I'm no sunny or anything either.
Speaker 1: Yes, was there anyone that was really smelly?
Speaker 2: You don't need to name names.
Speaker 3: I feel like you wouldn't me. I actually I don't
Speaker 3: think I smelled. I think if you were a producer
Speaker 3: and you came in, you probably would have thought you
Speaker 3: guys all stink like crap. But because we're all just
Speaker 3: living in it, you didn't smell much. I will say,
Speaker 3: obviously there's a fire burning at all times, which I
Speaker 3: didn't think about, Like the fires on like all day.
Speaker 3: We just leave it on, so it takes too long
Speaker 3: to like, yeah, start a fire. So the fire is
Speaker 3: just like on the whole day. If you're cooking, you're
Speaker 3: like sweating. So we'll say, the more you cook, the
Speaker 3: more you would like smell because you're like, oh really
Speaker 3: over okay, But you're doing a good deed, so you know,
Speaker 3: anything goes.
Speaker 2: Was devastated because there was no celebrity chef this time.
Speaker 3: I know, I know, always ad making a chef, but
Speaker 3: Sam Thirday was so good, which I think he's secretly
Speaker 3: just like what's the chef? Because he's done a cooking
Speaker 3: show before. He's done celebrity, come down with me and
Speaker 3: he won. Oh yes, okay, so and he like was
Speaker 3: debooning the fish like we would get given some like
Speaker 3: you win thirteen stars, but then you get given something
Speaker 3: you've never seen, never seen in your life. Like I
Speaker 3: think one day we had thirteen stars, which is like
Speaker 3: the maximum you can get, and two black chickens came out.
Speaker 3: I've never black chicken, but everything on it is black,
Speaker 3: like it's beak is black, it's legs as black, like
Speaker 3: its feet is black and their whole so you just
Speaker 3: have to like like chop it. I'm buying little chicken
Speaker 3: breast at the shop.
Speaker 1: I'm not feathers like you have to pluck.
Speaker 3: No feathers to pluck. But it was just bizarre, like
Speaker 3: no meat on it, like the food you were getting
Speaker 3: even though you just didn't know what you were going
Speaker 3: to get. It wasn't like, oh, you're going to get
Speaker 3: like this crumbed chicken. Now chicken, it's like maybe the
Speaker 3: beans and rice is better off. Yeah, the meat was good,
Speaker 3: like it was just good to like try so much
Speaker 3: like different stuff.
Speaker 1: Though proteins what was like the worst thing.
Speaker 3: You had to eat as part of a dinner anything
Speaker 3: I did an eating challenge. So my eating challenge was
Speaker 3: the first thing that came out was a brain, and
Speaker 3: I just thought, this is just so unwell, like why
Speaker 3: am I doing this? Not on but my biggest beer
Speaker 3: going into it was an eating challenge, So I was
Speaker 3: glad that I got one, because otherwise I don't think
Speaker 3: I would have felt like I had that whole like
Speaker 3: the so I was because I'm sick in the head.
Speaker 3: I was kind of a little bit glad that I
Speaker 3: got an eating challenge. But then the brain came out.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh God, and we were actually in
Speaker 3: So there was a week where we had a boys
Speaker 3: versus girl situation which we can talk about, but we
Speaker 3: had to go up against the guys in our eating challenge,
Speaker 3: which felt just so stressful, like Sam Thaday is such
Speaker 3: a gun. Like I remember Reggie couldn't eat one of
Speaker 3: her worms. We had to eat in a worm. We
Speaker 3: had to eat a worm like one night, and he
Speaker 3: was like, I'll eat yours for you, Regge, and he
Speaker 3: just ate two worms like no issue on the way.
Speaker 2: He like sculled that like rank drink in like one gulf.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my, I just don't have the
Speaker 2: capacity to do that.
Speaker 3: But I was lucky because I went against Harrison first
Speaker 3: on this brain and he just has a weak stomach.
Speaker 3: He was like suffering. He was like crying. Oh he
Speaker 3: was eating it. I was kind of like, is this
Speaker 3: pate pato is like pretty gross in theory? Yeah it is,
Speaker 3: but like a path Totty's, we need to go get
Speaker 3: the Totty's pate. Ah. That stuff is so good. But
Speaker 3: now I'm going to be thinking of brain brain So
Speaker 3: that was pretty bad. But having that like time limit
Speaker 3: on it was good because the men you just had
Speaker 3: to do it, go, go, go and then. But the
Speaker 3: worst thing I think, I think the rats tale. I've
Speaker 3: told you about the Rats tel.
Speaker 2: When I saw that rat come out on the screen,
Speaker 2: I was like, you're eating a rat?
Speaker 3: No way, Like I was like, that's horrific.
Speaker 4: That too.
Speaker 3: I started I was crying, like, I started like bawling
Speaker 3: because I thought this, I feel like this goes against
Speaker 3: my values to eat a rat on TV, Like, I
Speaker 3: don't want to push again like the fur because the
Speaker 3: because Sam Samada had to eat and so did Nikki.
Speaker 3: They ate. One of the things that others ate was
Speaker 3: this eyeball, but had an eyelid as well. The lashes.
Speaker 3: They ate lashes. I feel like feeling that's that's gross,
Speaker 3: that's actually fair. I think that's worse. Like I was
Speaker 3: lucky that I didn't have that. And then the last
Speaker 3: thing we ate, which I found challenging. I don't know why,
Speaker 3: but I really struggled was balls. I don't know what
Speaker 3: they were balls the testicles belonged to. There were testicles
Speaker 3: of boar testicles, maybe bore testicles. But it reminded me.
Speaker 2: Of just like what was the texture like like you.
Speaker 3: Know, like that log of dog food, but like hard
Speaker 3: because I feel like dog food. I'm like, I feel
Speaker 3: sad if like I can't eat dog food, and then
Speaker 3: our dogs eating dog food.
Speaker 2: My dog gets fresh mint, so she's actually, yeah, so
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: Have a dog. That's just kind of what it reminded
Speaker 3: me of. But I think the idea that was like
Speaker 3: testicles and I was like ripping it apart with her hands,
Speaker 3: like try to eat it. And then I had that
Speaker 3: like shot. It was like a fish thing was it
Speaker 3: like it has bones in it? It has like a
Speaker 3: little tiny fish bones like you know, and not well
Speaker 3: is like a delicacy. I think, I don't know.
Speaker 2: In some there's a try like a fermented fish that
Speaker 2: I love it, but it didn't look like no, but
Speaker 2: you put it in salads and stuff in the way
Speaker 2: they make it, it's really yummy like stuff. It's like
Speaker 2: fish sauce. I was like, that's doable, but it's the glugginess.
Speaker 2: It's it's the tie versions called bala, which is like
Speaker 2: marinated fish. It's kind of stinky and a lot of
Speaker 2: coisteners don't like it.
Speaker 1: The Cambodians, I'm half Cambodian, we have howk.
Speaker 2: Similar, it's similar, and you put it in like salads.
Speaker 2: It's like a you can either use a juice or
Speaker 2: you have the this it's like a whole thing. So
Speaker 2: I can and they must have blended that up. I
Speaker 2: was thinking that that's doable, but not with the fish bones.
Speaker 3: There was kind of the bones, but so much of
Speaker 3: the time of the eating challenges. I think this is
Speaker 3: a delicacy somewhere. Yeah, and it's all about like the context.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm trying to tell myself. And sauce fine
Speaker 3: a little bit. If I on like we're chewing, it
Speaker 3: would be done, Like give me some tomato sauce. I
Speaker 3: put tomato sauce on everything like i'd be I would
Speaker 3: have jungle would have been so easy. There was slado saus.
Speaker 2: Like I would have smuggled in. I reckon a little
Speaker 2: macus sweet and sour or like a barbecue.
Speaker 3: That's what I would have smuggled. I didn't realize people, actually,
Speaker 3: I didn't realize people actually smuggled things in. I just
Speaker 3: thought that was like a production bit and like they
Speaker 3: would like give you your thing, and like that's what you
Speaker 3: smuggle in because like people are walking around with like
Speaker 3: cad Cadbury blocks in previous seasons. So my mind, I'm like,
Speaker 3: how would you get that in? But you literally rock
Speaker 3: in on your person, Like I'm wearing my like dress
Speaker 3: and I'm coming in. I'm like, how am I going
Speaker 3: to bring anything in? So what I ended up doing
Speaker 3: was running around my like accommodation before I went in,
Speaker 3: grabbing things from the kitchen randomly because I was like, wait, crap,
Speaker 3: I don't have anything, and like I need to bring
Speaker 3: something in, Like what am I doing? So what I
Speaker 3: did was I cut, you know, like in a sports
Speaker 3: but like I cut like a hole in the sports
Speaker 3: like behind the cup, and I like stuffed all these
Speaker 3: like lollies in there, like hardboard lollies because I felt
Speaker 3: like they wouldn't melt. And then I also had like
Speaker 3: a glad bag of coffee and cocoa powder like mixed together.
Speaker 3: But then I was too scared to get them out.
Speaker 3: So I never even had my own contraband because I
Speaker 3: was too scared. I was like, I don't want trouble.
Speaker 3: I don't want to get in trouble. I'm such a
Speaker 3: stickler for rules because I thought, O, if we get
Speaker 3: in trouble, like I don't want to be like the
Speaker 3: reason why. Yeah, in the end, they were like, all right,
Speaker 3: you're all in trouble, like get it all out. And
Speaker 3: then we just had to like eat everything as fast
Speaker 3: as and I've never felt like so sick. Like I
Speaker 3: was just sitting by the bucket like pouring it into
Speaker 3: my mouth. I'm like, this is not a good look.
Speaker 3: This is my rock bottom. It's out of my sports
Speaker 3: brass literally literally. But then some people had it like
Speaker 3: strapped to their body and stuff, like think Maddie J
Speaker 3: had like those protein balls like strapped, he like got
Speaker 3: tape and strapped. Yeah, and like in his jocks and stuff,
Speaker 3: apparently of her.
Speaker 2: And what was it like with all the celebs, Like
Speaker 2: were you nervous with the dynamic because everyone's from diffferent
Speaker 2: walks of life, from different Like it's so random the
Speaker 2: mix of people. What was that experience like, because you
Speaker 2: never would really be around people ever.
Speaker 3: I think that's what makes the show and the format
Speaker 3: so great because you get such an interesting mix of
Speaker 3: people and they're like spheres would never normally type. Do
Speaker 3: you think at the crux of it, everyone is a
Speaker 3: good person, which is what's really nice. They're not there
Speaker 3: to like have a villain or anything like that. So
Speaker 3: you get a really nice mix of people. And I
Speaker 3: think it's just because there's nothing else going on, there's
Speaker 3: an opportunity for you to really get to know people
Speaker 3: on a level that you just never would Like I
Speaker 3: just didn't think I would be sitting down with like
Speaker 3: Dave Hughes, like talking about my relationship problems, Like he's
Speaker 3: giving me dating advice, like what's going on? Like you
Speaker 3: just wouldn't expect it. I didn't expect him to be
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't know why I expect him
Speaker 2: to be completely different vibe, so did I.
Speaker 3: I love him, like, I feel like he was such
Speaker 3: a nice energy to be around, and like having comedians
Speaker 3: like there was Geraldine and Dave in there, and they
Speaker 3: were just it's just nice to have some laughs, like
Speaker 3: we've got nothing, We've got literally nothing else going on.
Speaker 3: I just like to have a little bit of a laugh.
Speaker 3: So it was so nice having that mix, and I think, yeah,
Speaker 3: there are the dynamic at the start I like struggled
Speaker 3: with because first off, I'm coming in like from Love Island,
Speaker 3: so basically no one knows who I am. Basically the situation,
Speaker 3: no one knows who I am, so I'm going in
Speaker 3: with that. They don't know much about Love Island. They're
Speaker 3: probably like who is this, Like chim in a wonder,
Speaker 3: like what is she doing in here? So I kind
Speaker 3: of had that and that's probably my own insecurities as well,
Speaker 3: like they're not thinking about it like that. But that's
Speaker 3: how I kind of went into it, like feeling a
Speaker 3: bit like out of place, like fostra syndrome. And then
Speaker 3: the other thing was I at the time when I
Speaker 3: went in, I was the only like single person in there,
Speaker 3: so I genuinely just felt like no one cared about
Speaker 3: anything I had to say, because small talk is like
Speaker 3: how did you meet your partner? Sure, where did you
Speaker 3: meet your partner? Like how old are your kids? Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's not intentional, it's just what's interesting. I'm finding myself
Speaker 3: asking people those questions. So I felt like people didn't
Speaker 3: really know how to I just noticed at first, and
Speaker 3: I'm sure if any they're I don't think they're going
Speaker 3: to listen to this, But if they did, I feel
Speaker 3: like no one asked me like a question, Like the
Speaker 3: first sale was like, no one's asking me anything. But
Speaker 3: it was just that first layer of small talk. Once
Speaker 3: that chipped away, I feel like there was so much
Speaker 3: more space for like deeper, deeper conversations as you were
Speaker 3: all spiraling at that point.
Speaker 1: There was one deep conversation that really hit home for me,
Speaker 1: And when you cried, I cried. I feel like, well,
Speaker 1: a lot of us in the room here I have
Speaker 1: faced this issue because you talk about a lot about
Speaker 1: your internal struggles of facing racism growing up in Australia, Like,
Speaker 1: can you share a little bit more about that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I guess it's a I've only really
Speaker 3: come to reflect on at the end of my twenties,
Speaker 3: and I think there's, like, in hindsight, so much of
Speaker 3: my early twenties I was just insecure and like doubting
Speaker 3: myself a lot. And I think having gone on Love
Speaker 3: Island that kind of gave me a lot of confidence
Speaker 3: because I honestly felt like it was a running track
Speaker 3: in my mind that I was a token in there,
Speaker 3: Like I felt that like from when I got on,
Speaker 3: and I didn't have an issue with that. I was like, okay, cool,
Speaker 3: Like they needed an Asian person on it, and that's
Speaker 3: going to be me. But I didn't think I would
Speaker 3: get far because of my own internalized racism and my insecurities.
Speaker 3: I thought, no one's going to pick me because of
Speaker 3: my race, because of my background. And I guess that
Speaker 3: just shows like a real world scenario in an amplified environment,
Speaker 3: Like those are things that you go through high school
Speaker 3: thinking about yourself, through your dating life. You're always wondering
Speaker 3: like if that is going to affect who you're with.
Speaker 3: And I think going on Love Island and having that
Speaker 3: such a positive experience let me kind of see beyond that.
Speaker 3: But I think as I've kind of moved past that,
Speaker 3: there's still like so much to work through because on
Speaker 3: the other hand, I didn't feel like I fit in
Speaker 3: with like the other girls, like even like in our industry. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like I do feel like an outlier sometimes, and I
Speaker 3: think a lot of those insecurities. While I can recognize
Speaker 3: them now, it doesn't mean I've moved past them, because
Speaker 3: I feel like in my everyday like dating life, I'm
Speaker 3: so conscious of it. Like I remember my cousin tried
Speaker 3: to set me up with a friend and she told
Speaker 3: him like that I'd been on Love Island, and my
Speaker 3: first thought was, like, oh my god, why did you
Speaker 3: tell him that He's gonna think I'm like this, like
Speaker 3: blue eyes, like blonde girl, like big boobs or something
Speaker 3: like he's gonna think of something crazy. Not that everyone
Speaker 3: on love even looks like that. I just feel like
Speaker 3: that is like the stereotype, the stereotype, and I find
Speaker 3: like I'm really nervous if someone and hasn't met me,
Speaker 3: like for shot, they will like think of me. And
Speaker 3: I've just been like trying to like spend a lot
Speaker 3: of time like working through that, and there's still so
Speaker 3: much more to it because I feel like I grew
Speaker 3: up like rejecting my culture, like I don't know how
Speaker 3: you guys kind of feel towards that. But I look
Speaker 3: back now and I'm like, there are so many parts
Speaker 3: that I feel like I shied away from and tried
Speaker 3: so hard to be white and like be like connected
Speaker 3: to more that side of my dad's side of my family,
Speaker 3: and like now I look back and I just find that,
Speaker 3: like so sad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. I mean on my season, we all
Speaker 1: saw my person preferred, you know, the more Caucasian that
Speaker 1: was wide Yeah, and then I don't know, I didn't
Speaker 1: actually see it and hear it because it's like I
Speaker 1: felt to watch it because I was like, this is
Speaker 1: a vibe this guy's giving to me, just knowing where
Speaker 1: he grew up and knowing the type of pep be around.
Speaker 1: I just had that fee Northern Beaches.
Speaker 3: So this is so funny because I do. So I
Speaker 3: made a comment I think at the time, like when
Speaker 3: your episode, Like when that episode aired, I feel like
Speaker 3: I was with Jane Lewis.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember seeing that the Owner show.
Speaker 3: Everyone yes, and I think I we were just talking
Speaker 3: about how out of pocket it was and inappropriate and
Speaker 3: just sad that someone would make that comment so freely,
Speaker 3: Like what are you really thinking if that's what you
Speaker 3: think is like socially acceptable to say that you have
Speaker 3: an issue with, like you're dealing with someone's race. It's
Speaker 3: like a barrier to like connect.
Speaker 2: And it was so like because you were like, I'm
Speaker 2: not getting what I'm getting out of this conversation. I'm
Speaker 2: going to ask directly. The fact you had to get
Speaker 2: to that point first of all was crazy, but then
Speaker 2: the response, like I was just like too stunned to speak.
Speaker 3: So he was at my cousin's wedding, my good friends,
Speaker 3: what my cousin, what is going on my cousin his day?
Speaker 3: I don't even think you would know him. Okay, it
Speaker 3: was like a gay wedding, a beautiful gay wedding. But
Speaker 3: there I think his part now my cousin's partner, his
Speaker 3: close friends or maybe I don't know.
Speaker 1: Actually I do know this person. Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: His name's Calum. Yeah yeah, yeah, yes, they're very close,
Speaker 3: so lovely, but they're like best friends.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 3: That's just so bizarre to me because I'm so confused
Speaker 3: because Callum's so lovely. But yeah, and I saw him there.
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm not going to acknowledge because he
Speaker 3: would have seen that video, like what I said, of course, yeah,
Speaker 3: he's probably not in his algorithm, probably not just to
Speaker 3: work for him.
Speaker 1: I don't know. But there was a scene where I
Speaker 1: was crying and I was like, it's not my I'm Asian.
Speaker 1: And I was like the same when I was watching
Speaker 1: you when you were like, I just wish I was white,
Speaker 1: because that's literally what we're saying to ourselves. Yeah, which
Speaker 1: is so sad.
Speaker 2: Because it's like I think from my experience, because I
Speaker 2: look white, I've never had the I find nat because
Speaker 2: it's like people assume I'm just white because I don't
Speaker 2: look as Asian as like my relatives and you know,
Speaker 2: my sister and stuff. So it's interesting because I think
Speaker 2: people then feel like they can make a little comment
Speaker 2: because they think that they can connect with you because
Speaker 2: you look it's like no, like I'm actually Asian, and
Speaker 2: then it's the whole thing, like I have to justify
Speaker 2: my Asian nest to people.
Speaker 3: But you know what, though, I found people just make
Speaker 3: those comments because they don't even realize because I get
Speaker 3: those comments and then I'll be like like I remember
Speaker 3: like growing up, you would like take photos and then
Speaker 3: someone in the group would be like oh my god,
Speaker 3: I look so Asian, and and I'd be like, oh
Speaker 3: my god, so do I sorry, but you're like a
Speaker 3: hot age yea the whole, but you don't look Asian
Speaker 3: or like you don't look People say that to me,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, are you okay? Obviously do don't? What
Speaker 3: else do I look right now? Are you blind?
Speaker 2: It's really it's an interesting like dynamic because it's like
Speaker 2: I've seen it from like the perspective, so I kind
Speaker 2: of get the whole feelings round. But it's yeah, it's
Speaker 2: weird to then feel like I'm justifying that because then
Speaker 2: I feel like when I'm in space with Asian people,
Speaker 2: I would say that, like I'll make a comment and
Speaker 2: they'll be like, oh wait, you can't say that. I
Speaker 2: was like, no, like I am, and then they're like
Speaker 2: but then the vibe also changes like oh okay, cool.
Speaker 2: So it's it's interesting, but it's like again like I
Speaker 2: relate to like trying to hide it because I felt
Speaker 2: like anytime it came up, like when I could speak
Speaker 2: another language, I was put in like ESL classes at school,
Speaker 2: and then I felt like you're being punished because you're
Speaker 2: in like the dumb class or you know, and it
Speaker 2: just was like but I can speak like, I can
Speaker 2: speak both fine.
Speaker 3: So it was weird because I felt like I would
Speaker 3: try and like hide it.
Speaker 2: And it was easy for me because I you know,
Speaker 2: I looked like just like another Caucasian kid, and there
Speaker 2: wasn't many Asian people at school, Like there was like
Speaker 2: a handful I literally had me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like literally someone else. Yeah, there was like three people.
Speaker 2: There's like literally lectures you can come hand yeah, which.
Speaker 3: I think makes a difference and like, and it's different.
Speaker 2: Now for sure, Like it's so much more multicultural. Even
Speaker 2: like in the ere I grew up, there's more Asian
Speaker 2: restaurants and more like even just other like cultures. It
Speaker 2: was very predominantly white the area I grew up in,
Speaker 2: But now it's things have changed. It's like twenty years later,
Speaker 2: it's it's more, yeah's diversity, but it's like it's still
Speaker 2: like a thing you notice in media and stuff like
Speaker 2: that there's representation elsewhere, but in those mainstream spaces we
Speaker 2: see it more limited. So it was good that you
Speaker 2: had that platform to be able to like, you know,
Speaker 2: have the conversation and like talk about in that setting
Speaker 2: and kind of share your experience, because I think where
Speaker 2: else would we see that conversation going, you know exactly.
Speaker 3: I think it's hard to like have those conversations and honestly,
Speaker 3: you just kind of like forget the cameras are on
Speaker 3: and totally just having like a DMM likesurens and I
Speaker 3: hadn't really spoken, like I've done some bits over the
Speaker 3: past year, like with writings and stuff and articles that
Speaker 3: are written, but I haven't like spoken about it and
Speaker 3: speaking about it with people who don't relate to it
Speaker 3: is interesting, Like obviously it's met like with a positive reception,
Speaker 3: but so much of the time, Like I actually received
Speaker 3: a DM today from like someone I apparently went to
Speaker 3: high school with that I don't remember. I checked, and
Speaker 3: I think we went to high school for like one
Speaker 3: year and I've never seen him in my life, Okay,
Speaker 3: but he messaged me. He was like, you know, like
Speaker 3: I heard about your story on I'm a Celema. I
Speaker 3: just want to say, like, from like my perspective, like
Speaker 3: I never viewed it like that, and I always thought
Speaker 3: you like a gorgeous, kind beautiful girl. But I'm also like,
Speaker 3: you don't know me, so where did that come from?
Speaker 2: I don't think I.
Speaker 3: Don't think we went to school together because the school
Speaker 3: that he said he was from I only went to
Speaker 3: one year. So I feel like he's got another image,
Speaker 3: like people don't even I think.
Speaker 2: From I'm not trying to attack people for like having
Speaker 2: treated you a certain way, but it's like a wider
Speaker 2: issue of how.
Speaker 3: Like don't feel people don't understand like microaggressions for sure,
Speaker 3: comments that they make, and how they add up. And
Speaker 3: I think when you tell someone your story of like,
Speaker 3: you know, I felt different at school. I felt like
Speaker 3: I had this kind of like beauty standard that I
Speaker 3: was working towards. And then people from your past may
Speaker 3: be like, but you weren't bullied or you weren't this,
Speaker 3: but you don't understand if you're going to make little
Speaker 3: comments like, oh, that photo's awful of me, I look
Speaker 3: Asian in that Friday, then that makes me feel a
Speaker 3: certain way occasion it makes you feel like the way
Speaker 3: you look is wrong. So I feel like, on the
Speaker 3: one handley like I can imagine like there are so
Speaker 3: many boys in high school that are probably like, why
Speaker 3: did she say that boys were means her in high school?
Speaker 3: Like because you don't even realize doing that and I'd
Speaker 3: like to hope that it's really different in schools these days,
Speaker 3: but I honestly just don't know because kids are so mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah they say.
Speaker 2: Well, then they've got social media. Now they're even worse
Speaker 2: and the convers but the conversations aren't being had. And
Speaker 2: that's why when we do see these moments or even
Speaker 2: like on Maths this season, when we're having these racial conversations,
Speaker 2: that it's just there and then it's not unpacked, it's
Speaker 2: not discussed, it's not it's just like, Okay, these guys
Speaker 2: said a bit of a racist thing. Let's not talk
Speaker 2: about how it's probably in appropriate to make a common
Speaker 2: problematic occasions. So it's like, Okay, you're not being like
Speaker 2: I still think it's racist, but you're not being like
Speaker 2: outwardly racist calling names.
Speaker 3: But it's still like the general tone is I think
Speaker 3: it is undertone? Yeah, it's undertone.
Speaker 2: It's like, how do you explain that undertone and those
Speaker 2: microaggressions to people that they don't get it? Like I
Speaker 2: like from my season of Maths, and we've gotten into
Speaker 2: these little comments that the husbands would make, like Sandy
Speaker 2: Bean called two Indian and like making comments about like
Speaker 2: the food she would eat. That to me is racist
Speaker 2: and it's it's micro like not even like the two
Speaker 2: Indian comment is like crazy, isn't.
Speaker 3: What I mean? But what I mean?
Speaker 2: And I would ask it back and they'd just be
Speaker 2: like crickets. It's like, for real, it is racist.
Speaker 3: Don't notice things. Or I remember on my season of
Speaker 3: Love Island, I was coupled up at the start with
Speaker 3: a guy that would just say like some random things.
Speaker 3: And I think one night he we were talking about
Speaker 3: like when you get like drunk eyes, like when you've
Speaker 3: had a bit to drink, and he made a comment
Speaker 3: about how like he looks Asian or like how no,
Speaker 3: actually he said to me, or your drunk eyes would
Speaker 3: be like a lot because like because you're Asian, because
Speaker 3: your eyes are already like and I was like oh,
Speaker 3: And at that point I was like, you're not my husband, No,
Speaker 3: it's not me. But I wasn't offended by it because
Speaker 3: I saw that it's been ignorant. It's just just ignorant.
Speaker 3: And I just pulled it up and I was like, hey,
Speaker 3: that's like not an appropriate comment to make. It's fool
Speaker 3: with me in this circumstance. But you might say it
Speaker 3: to someone who's not in the place that I am,
Speaker 3: and that's not cool. And his comeback was, but I
Speaker 3: have his friends who are aged.
Speaker 2: Like, I'm not racist, but no, and it's like you're
Speaker 2: probably your one Asian friend.
Speaker 3: It's so bizarre. But I think it's just like those
Speaker 3: little things that I guess hopefully if we talk about
Speaker 3: things more than those conversations like trickle down shore, people
Speaker 3: are more aware of the conversations they're having, the comments
Speaker 3: that they make, and then that's kind of where the
Speaker 3: real difference is. So going on something like I'm a
Speaker 3: celeb and having a conversation on that platform where you
Speaker 3: know what, like I'm thinking about the audience broke down
Speaker 3: like families. It's very family and I'm hoping like that
Speaker 3: that kind of like makes it down because when you're
Speaker 3: on TikTok or Instagram and you're using your platform to
Speaker 3: talk about things that are important to you, it is
Speaker 3: only making it to the people who are interested in
Speaker 3: that content. Like the way the algorithm works, you can
Speaker 3: have like a strong stance on something, but unless that
Speaker 3: person's algorithm is feeding to them, then it doesn't see
Speaker 3: the light of day. So being able to talk about
Speaker 3: it on a platform that will go beyond you know
Speaker 3: who my audience is. Was something that was important to me,
Speaker 3: not luckily.
Speaker 1: I just want to touch base real quick on I
Speaker 1: don't know if you guys go through this, but like
Speaker 1: I feel like being Asian in Australia, like in the
Speaker 1: dating scene, I either get fetish fetish sized or like
Speaker 1: they don't want to bar me at all.
Speaker 3: Spiral about this.
Speaker 2: Or Tina made me spiral with this point the dating
Speaker 2: app thing.
Speaker 3: So basically on like all dat like not working. And
Speaker 3: you know what, I like dating apps because I find
Speaker 3: them used to Like I'm a busy girl, like the
Speaker 3: dating apps. Respect the dating apps. I'm on them all
Speaker 3: my dates last year dating apps, So like respect the
Speaker 3: dating apps.
Speaker 2: But however, however, we got a point to raise because
Speaker 2: I tested this theory out and you're right, thank you.
Speaker 3: So you can actually go on and filter through so
Speaker 3: you can filtered by age location, but you can filtered
Speaker 3: by race, which I just think, why are we promoting this?
Speaker 3: It's just unnecessary. I feel like you are making it
Speaker 3: into something it doesn't need to be sure if you're
Speaker 3: putting it as a feature. Okay, the argument could be
Speaker 3: like but there are people on this platform that want
Speaker 3: that feature. There's a demand for it, but I feel
Speaker 3: like you're encouraging a lens that doesn't need to exist.
Speaker 3: And I just think as an app like you need
Speaker 3: to do better and remove that.
Speaker 2: And that's a conversation thing. Like also you can kind
Speaker 2: of get a general vibe at what someone looks like,
Speaker 2: maybe where their cultural background lies. But that's something you
Speaker 2: would like, you'd want to chat on the first seg
Speaker 2: what's your background?
Speaker 3: Like do you know what I mean? But when we had.
Speaker 2: This chat, and I had because I always go through
Speaker 2: phase of deleting, that spiraled, but I initially went through
Speaker 2: a phase of having race as Asian on the apps.
Speaker 2: The significant amount of likes versus me not disclosing that
Speaker 2: was huge.
Speaker 3: That's really I tested it out. I'm crazy. Yeah, you
Speaker 3: should put a black wig on.
Speaker 2: But it's like people just like filtering out the Asian people.
Speaker 3: It's hard as well, because if I was to meet
Speaker 3: someone like, honestly, you know what I'll take like love Island.
Speaker 3: My first sis is a Love Island finished with my
Speaker 3: partner at the time, if he had seen me on
Speaker 3: an app, there is no way he would have swiped right.
Speaker 3: He liked to tell me over and over again that
Speaker 3: I wasn't his normal type, which just means I'm Asian.
Speaker 3: I'm Asian, let's say it. But if I was on
Speaker 3: an app, he never would have swiped right. I can
Speaker 3: safe to assume, and I think it's a shame like
Speaker 3: on dating apps, like everyone's making a judgment. I make judgments.
Speaker 3: All we have is no one's reading the prompt. If
Speaker 3: I don't like what I see, then I'm not. Let's
Speaker 3: not jokeeah, let's be real. But I think having that
Speaker 3: feature there, I'm wondering, now, am I getting screened before
Speaker 3: you even see what I look like? Because on the
Speaker 3: one hand, you're being screened for your looks, so there's
Speaker 3: that yep, But now there's an element of oh, but
Speaker 3: my race is an option. It's an option for you
Speaker 3: to do. Like the app has made that capability for
Speaker 3: you to screen out. You could just have it as Caucasian,
Speaker 3: like if you want to, but to what you.
Speaker 2: Said, yeah, what you said to you. Then if you
Speaker 2: get the fetishiest people, they can then just go into
Speaker 2: like their Phasian, which is just like it's yes, really yuh.
Speaker 2: I feel like, yeah, it's like even like my cousin's
Speaker 2: experience because she's full tie. She had the same experience
Speaker 2: as you. And we've spoke about this and it's it's
Speaker 2: like one or the other. Yeah, and it's just like
Speaker 2: this is just not great. It just makes me when
Speaker 2: I look back at their history and all of it.
Speaker 1: I don't know why that guys.
Speaker 3: I one of my, like my only exes that I
Speaker 3: would like speak positively positively of, like we had on
Speaker 3: good terms. This is like I was twenty years old.
Speaker 3: It's a long time ago, but ever since me, all
Speaker 3: of his girlfriends now have been Asian. This confuses me.
Speaker 3: He's such a nice guy though, but I'm like, I
Speaker 3: guess it's me. I'm like that weirds me out my
Speaker 3: photo still photos are there and he never posts Instagram,
Speaker 3: so I'm like, I'm next to that. I'm like, oh no,
Speaker 3: that's so weird to delete.
Speaker 1: It gave him yellow fever.
Speaker 2: But it's so funny how it's. I think racial preferences
Speaker 2: when it comes to dating is problematic in itself, Like
Speaker 2: obviously you have your preferences when it comes to heights.
Speaker 3: I've had to really check myself in honesty, Like I
Speaker 3: feel like it's myself. But also I feel like having
Speaker 3: gone through like internalized racism, I feel like that has
Speaker 3: an effect on my dating, like I shy way from
Speaker 3: like like I feel like I find myself making judgments
Speaker 3: on people because of like how I've like treated myself
Speaker 3: or like even like if someone's like why, then I think, oh, well,
Speaker 3: what will you think of me? And like what where
Speaker 3: they're from? Like you make all of those judgments for sure.
Speaker 3: Morey was judging. No, we're always judging on the dating
Speaker 3: A list. We judge on the dating apps. Everyone, do
Speaker 3: be listening seriously.
Speaker 2: Well, speaking of love, ilan Xes, was there anyone that
Speaker 2: you were that you were potentially concerned about coming in
Speaker 2: the job because we were chatting about this and the
Speaker 2: panic that I had for you, maybe the hint of
Speaker 2: a certain person might have been entering because the trauma
Speaker 2: that you've been through times two to talk us through that.
Speaker 3: Yes, there's a certain snake I was worried about entering
Speaker 3: the jungle, but they were never to be seen trauma
Speaker 3: because like I'm not done like one, not two, but
Speaker 3: three shows with my ex and like we have like
Speaker 3: no contact, no relationship by now at this point, because
Speaker 3: I just realized the friendship didn't exist, so it wasn't
Speaker 3: serving me. But I was so like mortified and at
Speaker 3: the start of the year, like I had friends being
Speaker 3: like he's not posting on social media, Like he's not posting.
Speaker 3: I was like, where is this guy? Like I wouldn't
Speaker 3: have spoken to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were speaking about it was all our last
Speaker 2: message is our last messages were like because we thought
Speaker 2: he was potentially going on another show, and then we
Speaker 2: were talking about this and then I was like, hang on.
Speaker 3: I was then like, you're probably panicking.
Speaker 2: Because he was thinking he was going to go with
Speaker 2: your shows and I didn't have that context at the time.
Speaker 2: And then I was like, oh no, what if they've
Speaker 2: done this stitch up again? And then he's entering in.
Speaker 3: What they started. They thought it was very funny because
Speaker 3: I was like panicking, like while I was there, and
Speaker 3: like when you're when you first get to South Africa,
Speaker 3: you have like a chaperone and they like look after
Speaker 3: you and your like accommodation and Unknowingly I must have
Speaker 3: been stressing because she in the background had text production
Speaker 3: and asked if she could give the final like he's
Speaker 3: not here, he's not here, And then one day, she
Speaker 3: was like, Hey, I just want to let you know,
Speaker 3: like I've got the all clear to tell you like
Speaker 3: he's not here. And that made it through, Like even
Speaker 3: when the psych like visits, you like before you go in,
Speaker 3: like to have like a little chat before you go in.
Speaker 3: He and he's known me for years because it's like
Speaker 3: the same production company as Love Island. So he was like, yes,
Speaker 3: I heard that you were very nervous. He's laughing, he's laughing,
Speaker 3: like you're crazy. No not, but it's a valid thing.
Speaker 3: And I don't think she'd mind me saying this.
Speaker 2: But one of the girls on my season was was
Speaker 2: going on your season of I'm a Cleb. She ended
Speaker 2: up pulling out.
Speaker 3: You did tell me? Yes, you think she spoke anyway?
Speaker 2: Yeah, she has been Bronti okay, so Bronti should have come.
Speaker 3: Well I thought you was like you guys could have vibed.
Speaker 3: Was shame.
Speaker 2: So Brontie was meant to go on your season will
Speaker 2: chatting about it. She ended up pulling out because she
Speaker 2: had anxiety around her partner going on the show. Because
Speaker 2: there was a teaser that said like something at first sight,
Speaker 2: it was like the jungle peep. It was like who's
Speaker 2: going to be on and it was like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: She it was like a villain, I don't know. And
Speaker 2: then he was commenting like he was just commenting.
Speaker 3: When we spoke. Yeah, that the teases didn't come out
Speaker 3: till so late, so she still was going on it
Speaker 3: up until he was he was for whatever it was.
Speaker 2: She pulled out quite late, so it was really last minute,
Speaker 2: and it was because stuff was being pushed out and
Speaker 2: then he was he was feeding into it, so she
Speaker 2: was like panicking that he was going to be there
Speaker 2: fair enough.
Speaker 3: I would pulled out to in my mind, I grew
Speaker 3: all out because I've known in the past, like he
Speaker 3: gets close when I think he's going to be the wrong. God,
Speaker 3: but you're not going here if I'm not so exactly.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I was very really trying to do something
Speaker 3: because honestly, I think it's like doing a dating show.
Speaker 3: So much of your personality is attached to that person.
Speaker 3: I have people still been like are you with people?
Speaker 3: Be like I love you so much you still with
Speaker 3: certa time, you don't love me that much three years ago,
Speaker 3: but so much of like who you are is attached
Speaker 3: to that person and not having like an opportunity to
Speaker 3: just like be myself, Like I feel like this was
Speaker 3: the first time that I could just fully feel like myself.
Speaker 3: And like, because you're not in a dating environment, you're
Speaker 3: actually able to let your walls in, Like I've always
Speaker 3: been true to who I am. But if you're trying
Speaker 3: to date people, you're not gonna lie let it all rip,
Speaker 3: like you're not gonna let it all hang loose, like
Speaker 3: you leave some mystery. Yeah, but this time, like I
Speaker 3: felt comfortable enough to like just like say whatever, do whatever,
Speaker 3: and just have like fun and have a fun experience
Speaker 3: without my eggs like across the room, which was an
Speaker 3: ideal situation for me, and I'm like fine by that
Speaker 3: was satisfying for me.
Speaker 1: One thing that I've always been curious about is how
Speaker 1: much the participants get paid for this, because although you're
Speaker 1: doing it for charity, yes, Like how much does one
Speaker 1: get paid for going?
Speaker 3: So I don't know how much everyone else got paid.
Speaker 3: I know how much I got paid, but is it
Speaker 3: worth it for me? It was never like a money situation,
Speaker 3: Like honestly, if they knocked on my door, I would
Speaker 3: have done it for read because of the charity element,
Speaker 3: Like my charity was demential Australia and my pop went
Speaker 3: through that and it just kind of like ripped a
Speaker 3: hole through the family at the time. So that was
Speaker 3: really special to me. And then, like I said before,
Speaker 3: like it's a once in a last time opportunity. I
Speaker 3: just never could have said no to it. I feel
Speaker 3: like the money for me never mattered. Like obviously, like
Speaker 3: you're going through hell, so like you want to get
Speaker 3: paid for it. It's your time and it's like work.
Speaker 4: Really yeah, I still have rent to pay exactly, but
Speaker 4: then like the reality of it is like you've got
Speaker 4: like Dave Hughes who is like one of Australia's leading
Speaker 4: comedians and like me from Love Island, so like do
Speaker 4: the math on what that is?
Speaker 3: So I'm not like I feel like some people kind
Speaker 3: of like from shows will look at like the casting
Speaker 3: back whatever, they paid that much because they're billing that much,
Speaker 3: because they're making that much. Why would I get paid
Speaker 3: like as much as Dave Hughes, like what So yeah,
Speaker 3: I won't talk numbers.
Speaker 1: But so people do get paid differently.
Speaker 3: Yes, So I feel like there is I mean, I
Speaker 3: don't know. I am assuming just because I read the
Speaker 3: leaked article so if you want to go find do
Speaker 3: you want to go find the leaked article, which I
Speaker 3: don't know you can gather from that, but I'm assuming
Speaker 3: that there is tears. I didn't actually know before I
Speaker 3: went on there was tears, but that I read the
Speaker 3: leaked article like everyone else, and I thought, okay, fair enough,
Speaker 3: fair enough, And like those people, I feel like those
Speaker 3: like gems that they get on the show, like they've
Speaker 3: been chasing them for like years, years, years, Like I
Speaker 3: know that those people have been asked over and over.
Speaker 3: So like it is interesting though because it is for charity.
Speaker 3: So I do find that a little bit, Like I
Speaker 3: didn't realize that you could be like making such money
Speaker 3: on it when it is like that charity element. I'm
Speaker 3: always so intrigued, right I did. I didn't know that either.
Speaker 1: And let's just say, like, oh, we want to pay
Speaker 1: tiny thirty grand, but she only lasts for two weeks?
Speaker 1: Does she still get the full thirty grand? Like do
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? I've always wondered like how
Speaker 1: that all works.
Speaker 3: I think there's like baby, yeah, there's a base, and
Speaker 3: then from a certain point onwards, there's like an amount
Speaker 3: that like taps on to.
Speaker 2: That but all of you guys have to stay for
Speaker 2: at least what is it like?
Speaker 3: Like so the illiminations didn't end til like the eighteenth day,
Speaker 3: Like that's a lot.
Speaker 1: That's actually it's.
Speaker 3: Not airing the whole time. So it's crazy because like
Speaker 3: you don't as a viewer, like you don't think about
Speaker 3: when it's not on air. What are you just sitting there?
Speaker 3: Like I'm having naps? Beforehand, they were like, prepare, you're
Speaker 3: going to be really bored. You might have napped some days.
Speaker 3: I'm not napping, not napping. If I napped on Love Island,
Speaker 3: they'd be like, get up, bikini, get up, get your
Speaker 3: legs out, get your legs out, get it out, like
Speaker 3: it would be.
Speaker 2: Like can you bring a kindle at least? Like that's no,
Speaker 2: like you.
Speaker 3: Just sneak a kindles are like square if you like,
Speaker 3: don't look, don't look general up here, up here? Yeah no,
Speaker 3: there's no kindles in there.
Speaker 2: And would you do next? You know, next thing you
Speaker 2: see if you're like, would you do another dating show?
Speaker 4: God?
Speaker 3: Or would you do another show dating? For me? As
Speaker 3: you know, we've had many a conversation. It's dry out here,
Speaker 3: it's hard out here, and I think one maybe then no,
Speaker 3: I'm doing because see, the thing for me is like
Speaker 3: the reason why I did Love Island because I honestly
Speaker 3: was like I'm struggling out here. Else you like hand
Speaker 3: picked me like a selection of people and they cannot
Speaker 3: leave the premises. Start with me, that's with me. And
Speaker 3: then since then, like I think by like Love Island Games,
Speaker 3: which was a lot less focused on dating, and I
Speaker 3: was there for two days, like let's not play about
Speaker 3: but I got in there and I thought, God, I'm
Speaker 3: jaded by this, Like it's not I can't see it
Speaker 3: being like a genuine thing. And like I think, I
Speaker 3: think when you do like another dating show, like usually
Speaker 3: you're on it with other people who've already done it,
Speaker 3: so it just feels like and I want something real,
Speaker 3: Like I don't want to and I don't want to date.
Speaker 3: I don't know you. I don't want to date someone
Speaker 3: in the industry neither. No, same, I mean you've got
Speaker 3: sorry that's an off camera.
Speaker 2: I'm very against the industry vibe just from experience.
Speaker 3: I don't know about you, guys, but I just feel
Speaker 3: like girls that put themselves up to be on a
Speaker 3: TV show. Yes, cute, yeah, care ely, but like men
Speaker 3: that put themselves on a TV show just why there's
Speaker 3: a double there's a double stairs, a double stairs, and
Speaker 3: I don't care about it. And the way they use
Speaker 3: it is different the way we at least their double
Speaker 3: standard isn't like, oh they get paid twice as much.
Speaker 3: There's it's just like I just.
Speaker 2: Want to have multiple hook ups and girls just like
Speaker 2: there's definitely a different line.
Speaker 1: But there's something about a man that goes on TV
Speaker 1: that wants to be an influencer. That's that's guy.
Speaker 2: For the girls and.
Speaker 3: That day and everyone an athlete or something like that
Speaker 3: work with them. Then they go back into yeah, yeah, not.
Speaker 2: That like you can't be atlet as a woman because
Speaker 2: they're just as good and people, Yes, just as good.
Speaker 1: God, an amazing chat. We should book out like two
Speaker 1: hours next time and just like have a have a yard.
Speaker 3: This was like a personal conversation.
Speaker 1: Gets the march next time.
Speaker 3: Yes, no, well, thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 3: Then we chat all the time, so it's good to
Speaker 3: do it behind the mind.
Speaker 1: Debris yes.
Speaker 3: Tags. Bye,