1 00:00:05,921 --> 00:00:07,281 Speaker 1: Approache Production. 2 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,321 Speaker 2: Welcome to Secrets of the Underworld. I am Neil the 3 00:00:13,401 --> 00:00:14,561 Speaker 2: muscle comments. 4 00:00:15,001 --> 00:00:18,201 Speaker 3: And in this episode Secrets of the Underworld competition winners 5 00:00:18,241 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 3: Angela and Costa asked me, they're burning questions. 6 00:00:21,641 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: Will you ever a target to any criminals? 7 00:00:24,281 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 2: Yes? 8 00:00:24,521 --> 00:00:26,601 Speaker 3: I was a target when I'm living in Neutral Bay 9 00:00:26,641 --> 00:00:28,801 Speaker 3: and my cars shot at, having a gun put at 10 00:00:28,841 --> 00:00:31,361 Speaker 3: me virtually when I was carrying my daughter in Ramwick. 11 00:00:31,641 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 3: You've got the stress of work, John who he is. 12 00:00:34,281 --> 00:00:36,081 Speaker 3: You know, everything's on you, and then it's like, you 13 00:00:36,081 --> 00:00:37,721 Speaker 3: know what, I can't deal with this some one. That's 14 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 3: when I got hit on myself. It was the best 15 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:44,121 Speaker 3: job I had, chasing thieves every day, and that was 16 00:00:44,161 --> 00:00:45,681 Speaker 3: the thing I'd go to work, hug and that summer 17 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 3: to steal something. So the one thing that haunts me, 18 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:51,921 Speaker 3: that goes to my grave is the fact of being 19 00:00:51,921 --> 00:00:58,721 Speaker 3: disowned by my family for what I've done. Okay, So 20 00:00:59,281 --> 00:01:03,681 Speaker 3: the winners of my competition to drill me. Okay, thank 21 00:01:03,721 --> 00:01:05,721 Speaker 3: you Ange for coming in, Thank you for coming in. 22 00:01:05,961 --> 00:01:07,881 Speaker 3: I'm not sure if I should be excited or I 23 00:01:07,921 --> 00:01:10,761 Speaker 3: should be fucking nervous, but anyway, and there's supposed to 24 00:01:10,761 --> 00:01:12,561 Speaker 3: be ten questions I reckon, people are going to have 25 00:01:13,681 --> 00:01:14,521 Speaker 3: you have yes? 26 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 2: Oh fuck me? Okay, so let's say that's on the way. 27 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:20,241 Speaker 2: Who wants to start off? 28 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: Okay? All right, now you're ready? 29 00:01:23,681 --> 00:01:24,321 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm ready. 30 00:01:25,721 --> 00:01:29,161 Speaker 1: How did you become a bodyguard to the famous in famous? 31 00:01:29,601 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: How did it start? 32 00:01:30,441 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 2: How did it all start? 33 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:33,961 Speaker 3: When I got my security license, my goal was to 34 00:01:33,961 --> 00:01:36,801 Speaker 3: be a bodyguard, wasn't to work on doors. I know, 35 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:38,881 Speaker 3: I had to do that to earn my stripes. But 36 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:44,441 Speaker 3: when I started working for who I did? I remember 37 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,481 Speaker 3: meeting Tongue and Sam, and I said to myself, I 38 00:01:47,521 --> 00:01:50,561 Speaker 3: want his job. I want to be him. But prior 39 00:01:50,641 --> 00:01:54,721 Speaker 3: to that, I'd already looked after Craig David, you know, 40 00:01:54,761 --> 00:01:56,241 Speaker 3: when I was working at Home night club, you know 41 00:01:56,281 --> 00:01:58,081 Speaker 3: what I mean. So I'd looked after celebrities before that. 42 00:01:58,481 --> 00:02:00,401 Speaker 3: Peter Morrissey. I'd done a lot of things for him 43 00:02:00,441 --> 00:02:02,961 Speaker 3: at his fashion shows. But when I started working for 44 00:02:03,041 --> 00:02:05,081 Speaker 3: John that was when I seen Tongue and Sam and 45 00:02:05,161 --> 00:02:07,761 Speaker 3: I said, I want his job, and you got it. 46 00:02:07,841 --> 00:02:10,401 Speaker 3: Well it's not that I did get it, yes, but 47 00:02:10,481 --> 00:02:13,041 Speaker 3: he was always the main guy. But I had to 48 00:02:13,121 --> 00:02:15,361 Speaker 3: work and then my stripes to get there. You know 49 00:02:15,401 --> 00:02:17,201 Speaker 3: what I mean, I had to show trust. I had 50 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 3: to show I was capable of looking after people and 51 00:02:21,321 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 3: you know, whoever came in front of him. 52 00:02:22,881 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 4: So that's how it all began. We're good, okay. How 53 00:02:27,841 --> 00:02:30,361 Speaker 4: tough was your childhood growing up with her father as 54 00:02:30,401 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 4: tough as yours? 55 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:34,881 Speaker 2: You know what? It wasn't so bad. 56 00:02:35,361 --> 00:02:39,601 Speaker 3: My father wasn't really tough on me in the sense 57 00:02:39,721 --> 00:02:42,081 Speaker 3: of what I you know what. I actually kept a 58 00:02:42,121 --> 00:02:45,401 Speaker 3: lot from him, so I wouldn't tell my mother or 59 00:02:45,401 --> 00:02:47,321 Speaker 3: father who I was hanging with, what I was getting 60 00:02:47,401 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 3: up to. They thought I was. I was a good kid, 61 00:02:51,001 --> 00:02:52,961 Speaker 3: don't get me wrong. But when I went out with 62 00:02:53,001 --> 00:02:55,881 Speaker 3: my mates, they didn't know I was stealing cars. They 63 00:02:55,881 --> 00:02:58,361 Speaker 3: didn't know I was, you know, going around the streets 64 00:02:58,481 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 3: at fourteen years old of an alcohol you know what 65 00:03:00,441 --> 00:03:02,161 Speaker 3: I mean. They didn't know all that can so all 66 00:03:02,281 --> 00:03:04,321 Speaker 3: going through gang fights, you know what I mean. So 67 00:03:04,601 --> 00:03:06,721 Speaker 3: I kept from him. I used to just say I'm 68 00:03:06,721 --> 00:03:09,001 Speaker 3: going down to my mates on my bike, hanging around 69 00:03:09,401 --> 00:03:12,001 Speaker 3: and that was it. But when my dad did find out, 70 00:03:12,441 --> 00:03:14,601 Speaker 3: then or hell would break loose, you know what I mean. 71 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 3: I was oblivious to the people my dad hung around 72 00:03:18,001 --> 00:03:20,361 Speaker 3: with until I got to a certain age, and then 73 00:03:20,401 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 3: I realized who these people were, you know, living in 74 00:03:23,281 --> 00:03:27,041 Speaker 3: the kind of underworld in Liverpool and UK. To me, 75 00:03:27,361 --> 00:03:31,481 Speaker 3: I now look back and go, that shits on the 76 00:03:31,561 --> 00:03:32,201 Speaker 3: underworld here. 77 00:03:32,321 --> 00:03:33,961 Speaker 2: You know, these guys are the real deal. 78 00:03:34,761 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 3: I'm not saying that with any kind of like disrespected 79 00:03:37,641 --> 00:03:40,761 Speaker 3: people here, but if you go and ask anybody, the 80 00:03:40,841 --> 00:03:45,481 Speaker 3: underworld in the UK is fucking hectic, and these people, 81 00:03:45,561 --> 00:03:47,801 Speaker 3: you know, would hang around with the Twy, the Great Twins, 82 00:03:47,841 --> 00:03:49,961 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. These My godfather was the 83 00:03:50,001 --> 00:03:51,881 Speaker 3: one who stopped them from coming into Liverpool, you know, 84 00:03:51,921 --> 00:03:52,681 Speaker 3: taking over the pool. 85 00:03:52,761 --> 00:03:56,001 Speaker 2: So these people were massive. But back then I didn't 86 00:03:56,001 --> 00:03:56,321 Speaker 2: know that. 87 00:03:57,001 --> 00:03:58,961 Speaker 3: My dad used to keep me away from the nightclub 88 00:03:59,001 --> 00:04:01,281 Speaker 3: scene because he didn't want me getting in it. But 89 00:04:01,401 --> 00:04:03,361 Speaker 3: then again, you know, I used to turn up at 90 00:04:03,361 --> 00:04:04,841 Speaker 3: the front door of his nightclubs at the edge of 91 00:04:04,841 --> 00:04:07,761 Speaker 3: four team wanted to get in. And the thing is 92 00:04:07,961 --> 00:04:10,041 Speaker 3: I wanted to be in that scene, but he wouldn't 93 00:04:10,081 --> 00:04:12,481 Speaker 3: let me, you know. So I tried to be believe 94 00:04:12,521 --> 00:04:14,121 Speaker 3: it or not, I tried to be a DJ, and 95 00:04:14,201 --> 00:04:16,201 Speaker 3: I was fucking shit at it, you know what I mean. 96 00:04:16,561 --> 00:04:19,041 Speaker 3: I couldn't do it, So it was never gonna work 97 00:04:19,081 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 3: for me. But as for my dad, when it was 98 00:04:21,241 --> 00:04:23,801 Speaker 3: time to me coming over to Australia, he wanted me 99 00:04:24,001 --> 00:04:26,281 Speaker 3: away from the UK. So when I got that chance 100 00:04:26,361 --> 00:04:28,681 Speaker 3: to move over here in ninety two, he says, take 101 00:04:28,721 --> 00:04:30,601 Speaker 3: it because if you don't, you'll be in jail or 102 00:04:30,641 --> 00:04:33,281 Speaker 3: you'll be dead. And he knew the people I was 103 00:04:33,281 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 3: hanging around with. So that's what happened and the rest 104 00:04:35,681 --> 00:04:36,161 Speaker 3: is history. 105 00:04:37,161 --> 00:04:41,561 Speaker 5: So were you ever a target to any criminals? 106 00:04:42,361 --> 00:04:44,241 Speaker 2: Was I ever a target criminal? 107 00:04:44,361 --> 00:04:45,601 Speaker 1: Yeah, that you knew that you were? 108 00:04:46,121 --> 00:04:49,121 Speaker 3: Yes, yes I did, especially working for the people that 109 00:04:49,201 --> 00:04:51,801 Speaker 3: I did working on the DCM store. Yes, I was 110 00:04:51,801 --> 00:04:55,321 Speaker 3: a target and I was a target probably probably for 111 00:04:55,401 --> 00:04:58,641 Speaker 3: at least six years, which was always looking over my back. 112 00:04:58,761 --> 00:05:01,721 Speaker 3: I couldn't go to certain areas in Sydney for that 113 00:05:01,841 --> 00:05:04,521 Speaker 3: kind of reason. Did it stop me? No, it didn't. 114 00:05:04,721 --> 00:05:06,801 Speaker 3: You're oblivious to it when you're working in that in 115 00:05:06,841 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 3: that scene. But now I look back at it, it's 116 00:05:10,281 --> 00:05:13,241 Speaker 3: kind of you know when I when I soldier goes 117 00:05:13,281 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 3: to war and he has these traumas after it. That's 118 00:05:16,361 --> 00:05:19,601 Speaker 3: what I've had for the past probably five years. You 119 00:05:19,681 --> 00:05:21,721 Speaker 3: realize what you've done and what you've seen and what 120 00:05:21,761 --> 00:05:24,641 Speaker 3: you've gone through, and even though it hasn't been as 121 00:05:24,681 --> 00:05:27,121 Speaker 3: hectic as some people in that world. But the thing is, 122 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,161 Speaker 3: you know, being a target and shot at at d CMS. 123 00:05:30,361 --> 00:05:32,721 Speaker 3: You know it didn't rock me back then, but it 124 00:05:33,001 --> 00:05:35,441 Speaker 3: rocked me, you know, to be a target when I'm 125 00:05:35,481 --> 00:05:37,601 Speaker 3: living in Neutral Bay and my car is shot at, 126 00:05:38,681 --> 00:05:41,241 Speaker 3: having a gun put at me virtually when I was 127 00:05:41,241 --> 00:05:43,841 Speaker 3: carrying my daughter in Randwick, there's flashbacks. 128 00:05:44,401 --> 00:05:45,921 Speaker 2: Yes, I have been a target. 129 00:05:46,201 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 3: I'm glad I'm out of that scene now and I'm 130 00:05:48,521 --> 00:05:50,561 Speaker 3: only a target now for haters on my podcast. 131 00:05:52,601 --> 00:05:54,801 Speaker 1: But yeah, they're everywhere, yes, everywhere. 132 00:05:55,961 --> 00:05:58,801 Speaker 2: How hard was it not having your dad in Australia. 133 00:05:59,561 --> 00:06:02,041 Speaker 3: He's gonna hate me for saying this, but you know what, 134 00:06:02,161 --> 00:06:04,321 Speaker 3: it was good to get away from my father because 135 00:06:04,361 --> 00:06:07,801 Speaker 3: it made me grow up quicker. I needed that change. 136 00:06:08,201 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 3: Me and my dad were very close growing up. He 137 00:06:10,841 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 3: was actually my best mate. And for me to come 138 00:06:13,481 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 3: over here by myself with my mother my stepfather was 139 00:06:17,681 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 3: hard because I had no mates and that father figure 140 00:06:20,761 --> 00:06:23,361 Speaker 3: had gone from me, so I had to grow up quickly. 141 00:06:23,681 --> 00:06:25,481 Speaker 3: Even though I was eighteen, I had to grow up, 142 00:06:26,121 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 3: so it was hard. I was calling him every day, 143 00:06:28,161 --> 00:06:29,561 Speaker 3: you know. But he was trying to keep me here 144 00:06:29,601 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 3: because I was homesick and I wanted to come home. 145 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:37,361 Speaker 3: But I think once I started playing soccer over here 146 00:06:37,601 --> 00:06:40,241 Speaker 3: and I developed friends, and then I, you know, I 147 00:06:40,281 --> 00:06:42,321 Speaker 3: started to kind of mellow down and relax a bit 148 00:06:42,361 --> 00:06:44,441 Speaker 3: and enjoy Australia, which for the first twelve months I 149 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:45,081 Speaker 3: didn't enjoy it. 150 00:06:45,521 --> 00:06:48,121 Speaker 2: I was rebelling a lot. It settled me down. 151 00:06:48,401 --> 00:06:51,601 Speaker 3: But then when my father found out later life what 152 00:06:51,721 --> 00:06:54,441 Speaker 3: I was doing and I kept it from him, that's 153 00:06:54,481 --> 00:06:56,961 Speaker 3: when my father started to me and him went toe 154 00:06:57,001 --> 00:06:58,641 Speaker 3: to toe and head to heads, you know what I mean. 155 00:06:58,721 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 3: And it got to the point where he started sending 156 00:07:01,521 --> 00:07:05,001 Speaker 3: people over from that world over there to check on 157 00:07:05,281 --> 00:07:07,561 Speaker 3: over here. And I didn't know that. You know, there's 158 00:07:07,561 --> 00:07:09,521 Speaker 3: people over here who are keeping an eye on me 159 00:07:09,641 --> 00:07:12,161 Speaker 3: to make sure I was all right. And I only 160 00:07:12,201 --> 00:07:14,601 Speaker 3: realized that when I got out and my dad told 161 00:07:14,601 --> 00:07:19,361 Speaker 3: me that. But as for your question, it was I 162 00:07:19,361 --> 00:07:22,041 Speaker 3: actually enjoyed it, even though I can say I, you know, 163 00:07:22,081 --> 00:07:24,161 Speaker 3: I missed him. I needed that otherwise I don't think 164 00:07:24,161 --> 00:07:25,761 Speaker 3: I would have been the person tame today, you know 165 00:07:25,801 --> 00:07:26,121 Speaker 3: what I mean. 166 00:07:26,161 --> 00:07:28,041 Speaker 2: I needed to grow up. It was hard. 167 00:07:29,481 --> 00:07:31,001 Speaker 5: Are there any secrets that you're going to take to 168 00:07:31,001 --> 00:07:33,361 Speaker 5: the grave. You've got a few of them? Oh yeah, 169 00:07:33,881 --> 00:07:38,081 Speaker 5: tell me no, Jack, there's a lot of secrets. There's 170 00:07:38,121 --> 00:07:39,681 Speaker 5: a lot of things, you know what I mean. Even 171 00:07:39,681 --> 00:07:41,561 Speaker 5: when I wrote my book, there's things you can't put in. 172 00:07:41,841 --> 00:07:43,561 Speaker 5: I don't mind sharing things that have happened to me, 173 00:07:43,881 --> 00:07:45,841 Speaker 5: you know, but I can't. I'd never share things that 174 00:07:45,841 --> 00:07:49,041 Speaker 5: I've seen or heard or witnessed with anyone else. 175 00:07:49,121 --> 00:07:52,841 Speaker 3: It's not up to me to tell them secrets. But yeah, 176 00:07:52,841 --> 00:07:55,361 Speaker 3: there's a lot. There's a fucking lot. And even even 177 00:07:55,401 --> 00:07:57,321 Speaker 3: not here, even back home, you know, there's a lot. 178 00:07:58,121 --> 00:08:00,641 Speaker 2: So yeah, we all have them. And I wait, I 179 00:08:00,681 --> 00:08:03,921 Speaker 2: gotta keep my mouth up with them or wise I 180 00:08:03,921 --> 00:08:05,001 Speaker 2: will have a tired. 181 00:08:06,561 --> 00:08:07,321 Speaker 1: Again again. 182 00:08:09,001 --> 00:08:12,521 Speaker 3: What was your first security job. My first security job 183 00:08:12,881 --> 00:08:17,961 Speaker 3: went in Australia. In Australia, my first security job was Westfield, Miranda. 184 00:08:18,401 --> 00:08:21,321 Speaker 3: That was my first security job. I remember get my 185 00:08:21,401 --> 00:08:25,081 Speaker 3: license and getting a job in Miranda, Westfield, and you 186 00:08:25,121 --> 00:08:26,041 Speaker 3: know what, it was the. 187 00:08:26,041 --> 00:08:28,081 Speaker 2: Fucking best job I had. 188 00:08:28,281 --> 00:08:32,761 Speaker 3: I actually fucking enjoyed it, you know, chasing chasing thieves 189 00:08:32,761 --> 00:08:34,681 Speaker 3: every day, and that was the thing I'd go to 190 00:08:34,721 --> 00:08:36,521 Speaker 3: work hoping that summer had steal something so I could. 191 00:08:38,161 --> 00:08:39,761 Speaker 3: And it was the one of the I can say 192 00:08:39,801 --> 00:08:42,161 Speaker 3: it now because they don't work there during summer. There 193 00:08:42,201 --> 00:08:44,041 Speaker 3: was me and another security guard and I'm going to 194 00:08:44,121 --> 00:08:46,481 Speaker 3: name him, it was Craig. We would go the rooftop. 195 00:08:47,241 --> 00:08:50,001 Speaker 3: We'd have our radios set upon just there so we 196 00:08:50,001 --> 00:08:52,121 Speaker 3: could hear it like anything going through the radio. We 197 00:08:52,241 --> 00:08:55,201 Speaker 3: take our shirts off and some babe on the top 198 00:08:55,601 --> 00:08:57,921 Speaker 3: of the car park on hot days, and then when 199 00:08:57,921 --> 00:08:59,201 Speaker 3: we got there, we says, yeah, we're just doing a 200 00:08:59,201 --> 00:09:01,361 Speaker 3: car park patrol, and we put our shirts back on 201 00:09:01,401 --> 00:09:03,761 Speaker 3: and go back down. We go into the fire exits 202 00:09:03,841 --> 00:09:06,041 Speaker 3: and they started waiting for lunch. That we'd have so 203 00:09:06,121 --> 00:09:07,841 Speaker 3: much food in there, but like, you know, so we 204 00:09:07,921 --> 00:09:11,201 Speaker 3: go back. It was the easiest job, even though you 205 00:09:11,201 --> 00:09:13,601 Speaker 3: know you're getting paid fucking, you know, thirty five dollars 206 00:09:13,601 --> 00:09:16,441 Speaker 3: an hour and we're in fucking fire exits eating food 207 00:09:16,801 --> 00:09:19,601 Speaker 3: and on the top fucking But yeah, we had I 208 00:09:19,681 --> 00:09:19,961 Speaker 3: did have. 209 00:09:20,041 --> 00:09:21,041 Speaker 2: A good time that way around. 210 00:09:21,081 --> 00:09:23,601 Speaker 3: But also we used to go to the cinemas a 211 00:09:23,601 --> 00:09:25,561 Speaker 3: lot and watch movies, sit down in the back round 212 00:09:25,601 --> 00:09:28,121 Speaker 3: and just watch movies instead of going around doing our walks. 213 00:09:28,161 --> 00:09:29,761 Speaker 2: Around the show. But now that was my first job. 214 00:09:30,001 --> 00:09:30,561 Speaker 2: I enjoyed that. 215 00:09:31,601 --> 00:09:34,121 Speaker 1: Mystic is a secret. 216 00:09:36,161 --> 00:09:38,161 Speaker 2: But yeah, because I don't work from anymore. 217 00:09:40,121 --> 00:09:41,761 Speaker 1: Can you read people's personalities? 218 00:09:41,961 --> 00:09:42,761 Speaker 2: Yes, I can. 219 00:09:43,161 --> 00:09:46,561 Speaker 3: I'm a people watching and I'm very suck on people 220 00:09:46,721 --> 00:09:49,441 Speaker 3: when I first meet them, when I walk into a room, 221 00:09:49,641 --> 00:09:51,801 Speaker 3: and still to this day, I will work the room. 222 00:09:52,081 --> 00:09:55,961 Speaker 3: I'll probably walk in, walk around like I'm still a 223 00:09:55,961 --> 00:09:59,121 Speaker 3: security guard, check them out, and then I will stand 224 00:09:59,601 --> 00:10:01,641 Speaker 3: And to this day, even if I go to a restaurant, 225 00:10:01,681 --> 00:10:03,921 Speaker 3: I asked for a table with a wall to me 226 00:10:04,001 --> 00:10:04,241 Speaker 3: so I. 227 00:10:04,241 --> 00:10:06,361 Speaker 2: Can sit there and scan everybody. 228 00:10:06,401 --> 00:10:09,441 Speaker 3: But yes, I'm a people watching where I will scan 229 00:10:09,561 --> 00:10:13,241 Speaker 3: to see if you're legit, you're fake towards me or whatever. 230 00:10:13,481 --> 00:10:15,881 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, and how can you How can you pick 231 00:10:15,961 --> 00:10:16,521 Speaker 1: that with people? 232 00:10:16,561 --> 00:10:20,481 Speaker 3: With something that you'll usually pick it with either the facials, 233 00:10:20,521 --> 00:10:24,361 Speaker 3: the body language. Eyes usually can tell like you, Sometimes 234 00:10:24,361 --> 00:10:26,601 Speaker 3: you can tell if someone's genuine by looking into their eyes. 235 00:10:26,961 --> 00:10:28,681 Speaker 3: If they can't look at you, you know what I mean, 236 00:10:28,721 --> 00:10:30,641 Speaker 3: when you're talking to them and they're looking away a lot. 237 00:10:30,921 --> 00:10:32,481 Speaker 3: You know, some people say, oh that you know that, 238 00:10:32,641 --> 00:10:35,161 Speaker 3: maybe that you intimidate them, but now you're not intimidated. 239 00:10:35,161 --> 00:10:36,281 Speaker 3: They just don't want to look at you because if 240 00:10:36,321 --> 00:10:39,241 Speaker 3: there's a point to it, body languages, if you know, 241 00:10:39,321 --> 00:10:41,121 Speaker 3: they don't want to stand there and talk to you. 242 00:10:41,201 --> 00:10:43,281 Speaker 3: That that iron you off all the time. But yeah, 243 00:10:43,401 --> 00:10:45,561 Speaker 3: it's it's not hard, you know what I mean. It's 244 00:10:45,881 --> 00:10:46,761 Speaker 3: you can see the fake ones. 245 00:10:46,841 --> 00:10:47,921 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I can. 246 00:10:50,601 --> 00:10:57,761 Speaker 3: Experience. So how much how much of a toll did 247 00:10:57,801 --> 00:11:01,681 Speaker 3: you work having your marriage? It had a massive toll, 248 00:11:02,201 --> 00:11:05,161 Speaker 3: you know when I was married to my ex. You 249 00:11:05,161 --> 00:11:09,201 Speaker 3: know it was massive because I brought trauma's home and 250 00:11:09,241 --> 00:11:11,921 Speaker 3: I would me, I'm a person who deals with stuff 251 00:11:12,001 --> 00:11:14,801 Speaker 3: by myself. I don't talk, and back then, I talk 252 00:11:14,841 --> 00:11:16,161 Speaker 3: to myself to deal with a problem. 253 00:11:16,161 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 2: If it was at work. 254 00:11:17,841 --> 00:11:20,241 Speaker 3: When the ganglands were going on and in the streets 255 00:11:20,241 --> 00:11:22,201 Speaker 3: of King's Cross, you know, I would come home talk 256 00:11:22,241 --> 00:11:24,841 Speaker 3: to myself how I would go about this. I would 257 00:11:24,841 --> 00:11:27,481 Speaker 3: talk to John about it, the boys about it, and 258 00:11:27,681 --> 00:11:30,441 Speaker 3: you know, figure it out myself. People don't realize that 259 00:11:30,841 --> 00:11:33,561 Speaker 3: I was the eyes and the ears of King's Cross 260 00:11:33,561 --> 00:11:35,401 Speaker 3: back then, you know John the week, you know, I 261 00:11:35,401 --> 00:11:38,081 Speaker 3: would suss out what's going on the street and report 262 00:11:38,121 --> 00:11:39,841 Speaker 3: back to people. You know what I mean, And you know, 263 00:11:39,841 --> 00:11:41,761 Speaker 3: I'll try and keep them out, but I'd do it 264 00:11:41,801 --> 00:11:45,001 Speaker 3: in a good way. But it got to the point 265 00:11:45,001 --> 00:11:49,001 Speaker 3: where because I was stressing a lot about what's going 266 00:11:49,001 --> 00:11:51,441 Speaker 3: on at work and what was going on when there 267 00:11:51,481 --> 00:11:53,001 Speaker 3: was you know, there's hits on John, you know that 268 00:11:53,161 --> 00:11:55,121 Speaker 3: in the media, there's people kind of take over the 269 00:11:55,121 --> 00:11:56,281 Speaker 3: cross and you're in the middle of it. 270 00:11:56,641 --> 00:11:58,721 Speaker 2: Then you got the cops trying to put it on 271 00:11:58,761 --> 00:11:59,121 Speaker 2: you too. 272 00:11:59,881 --> 00:12:03,801 Speaker 3: And then also with that comes friendship where you know, 273 00:12:03,841 --> 00:12:05,961 Speaker 3: I lost a lot of friends over who I worked for, 274 00:12:06,641 --> 00:12:09,281 Speaker 3: so it became where you don't have anyone. I had 275 00:12:09,281 --> 00:12:12,041 Speaker 3: no family here to talk to, so it became where, well, 276 00:12:12,041 --> 00:12:14,561 Speaker 3: how do you deal with this? And you know, not 277 00:12:14,601 --> 00:12:16,441 Speaker 3: a lot of people know who haven't read my book 278 00:12:16,521 --> 00:12:18,241 Speaker 3: or something like that. You know. The first thing I 279 00:12:18,281 --> 00:12:20,761 Speaker 3: thought of was I can't deal with this anymore, you 280 00:12:20,801 --> 00:12:22,401 Speaker 3: know what I mean? So what do I do? And 281 00:12:22,441 --> 00:12:25,281 Speaker 3: it came to the point where, yes, I can admit 282 00:12:25,841 --> 00:12:29,321 Speaker 3: now I was maybe a week I wanted in my life, 283 00:12:29,601 --> 00:12:31,161 Speaker 3: you know what I mean, because that I couldn't figure 284 00:12:31,161 --> 00:12:32,641 Speaker 3: it out no more. There was too much going into 285 00:12:32,641 --> 00:12:35,361 Speaker 3: my head where I'm trying to keep a marriage that's 286 00:12:35,441 --> 00:12:37,001 Speaker 3: going to break up I could see it breaking up, 287 00:12:37,001 --> 00:12:40,321 Speaker 3: and me personally, I wanted it to break up. Then 288 00:12:40,361 --> 00:12:43,201 Speaker 3: you've got the stress of work, John who he is, 289 00:12:43,201 --> 00:12:45,881 Speaker 3: his family, friends who now don't want to know you, 290 00:12:45,961 --> 00:12:49,081 Speaker 3: and of either cheated like shit orthough not being real 291 00:12:49,081 --> 00:12:51,561 Speaker 3: to you anymore. Then you've got other people that you're 292 00:12:51,561 --> 00:12:53,841 Speaker 3: trying to keep happy. Then the cross. Then there's you know, 293 00:12:53,881 --> 00:12:56,321 Speaker 3: everything's on you, and then my father, you know what 294 00:12:56,321 --> 00:12:58,641 Speaker 3: I mean, And then it's like, you know what, I 295 00:12:58,641 --> 00:13:01,041 Speaker 3: can't deal with this no more. So Yeah, that's when 296 00:13:01,081 --> 00:13:02,881 Speaker 3: I you know, if people don't know I put a 297 00:13:02,921 --> 00:13:06,841 Speaker 3: hit on myself, which was the time I've tried it, 298 00:13:07,081 --> 00:13:09,561 Speaker 3: and I'll will only say this when I've tried it 299 00:13:09,601 --> 00:13:12,161 Speaker 3: in my life before. I couldn't do it by slip 300 00:13:12,201 --> 00:13:15,361 Speaker 3: my wrists. I couldn't do it hanging myself. I always 301 00:13:15,441 --> 00:13:16,841 Speaker 3: used to think, if if I try and do that, 302 00:13:16,881 --> 00:13:18,121 Speaker 3: it's gonna fucking snap anyway. 303 00:13:18,161 --> 00:13:19,121 Speaker 2: So it's not going to hold me. 304 00:13:19,161 --> 00:13:22,481 Speaker 3: So I'm wasting my time sleeping tablets and all that 305 00:13:22,641 --> 00:13:24,921 Speaker 3: kind of thought. I thought, if it doesn't work, I'm 306 00:13:24,921 --> 00:13:27,081 Speaker 3: gonna wake up. I don't want my fucking stomach pumped. 307 00:13:28,161 --> 00:13:30,001 Speaker 3: And then I thought, okay, what about the car, you know, 308 00:13:30,041 --> 00:13:32,081 Speaker 3: but the hoes on the card, this and that, I'll 309 00:13:32,121 --> 00:13:33,121 Speaker 3: just open the door and get out. 310 00:13:33,481 --> 00:13:34,441 Speaker 2: Put it hit on myself. 311 00:13:34,521 --> 00:13:37,121 Speaker 3: You don't know what's coming, And that was the way 312 00:13:37,161 --> 00:13:38,921 Speaker 3: I did. It didn't pan out that way because the 313 00:13:38,961 --> 00:13:41,761 Speaker 3: person that did it knew who I was and the 314 00:13:41,801 --> 00:13:44,521 Speaker 3: rest is history. But that's the kind of stress that 315 00:13:44,561 --> 00:13:46,281 Speaker 3: I went through, you know what I mean. So it 316 00:13:46,361 --> 00:13:48,641 Speaker 3: was hard, you know, And it was emotional because I 317 00:13:48,681 --> 00:13:52,361 Speaker 3: remember that last that night in Queen's Park where I 318 00:13:52,401 --> 00:13:54,121 Speaker 3: sat there and I was supposed to be in King's 319 00:13:54,161 --> 00:13:57,361 Speaker 3: Cross and I remember counting the time away and all 320 00:13:57,401 --> 00:14:00,161 Speaker 3: I thought about was my daughter. I don't know, it 321 00:14:00,201 --> 00:14:02,441 Speaker 3: was just an easy way out. But I'm just glad 322 00:14:02,481 --> 00:14:04,041 Speaker 3: that my mate at the time, who I used to 323 00:14:04,081 --> 00:14:06,561 Speaker 3: do the hit on me, didn't go through with it 324 00:14:06,601 --> 00:14:07,721 Speaker 3: and realized who the fuck was? 325 00:14:07,961 --> 00:14:11,601 Speaker 1: So is that because you didn't want to burden people 326 00:14:11,681 --> 00:14:14,601 Speaker 1: with your problems or how you felt, so you didn't 327 00:14:14,681 --> 00:14:15,441 Speaker 1: speak up. 328 00:14:16,441 --> 00:14:16,841 Speaker 2: I didn't. 329 00:14:17,401 --> 00:14:19,681 Speaker 3: I don't like I don't like talking about things I 330 00:14:20,281 --> 00:14:22,921 Speaker 3: came to myself at the time. You don't want to 331 00:14:22,961 --> 00:14:24,841 Speaker 3: look weak by going up to somebody and going I've 332 00:14:24,841 --> 00:14:26,041 Speaker 3: got a problem, you know what I mean? 333 00:14:26,361 --> 00:14:27,641 Speaker 2: And back then you couldn't do that. 334 00:14:27,681 --> 00:14:30,881 Speaker 3: You might even now it's men say that we should 335 00:14:30,921 --> 00:14:32,001 Speaker 3: speak up, but they don't do it. 336 00:14:32,041 --> 00:14:35,561 Speaker 2: Okay, And with my profile back then, I'm not. 337 00:14:35,521 --> 00:14:36,921 Speaker 3: Going to turn around to John and say I've got 338 00:14:36,961 --> 00:14:39,801 Speaker 3: a fucking problem here, or you're stressed out or look weak, 339 00:14:39,841 --> 00:14:42,361 Speaker 3: and then you'll say, well, are you any good to me? 340 00:14:42,401 --> 00:14:43,081 Speaker 2: Then you know what I mean. 341 00:14:43,801 --> 00:14:45,241 Speaker 3: And at the same with my mates, you know what 342 00:14:45,241 --> 00:14:46,601 Speaker 3: I mean because my mates looked at me as like, 343 00:14:46,641 --> 00:14:48,401 Speaker 3: oh fuck Neils, this now fucking nails. 344 00:14:48,401 --> 00:14:50,081 Speaker 2: That's so I have to put this persona on. 345 00:14:50,241 --> 00:14:52,801 Speaker 3: So yes, I put in front of everybody that I'm great, 346 00:14:53,161 --> 00:14:55,681 Speaker 3: but behind closed doors by myself and even away from 347 00:14:55,721 --> 00:14:57,681 Speaker 3: my exit the time and my daughter and whoever else 348 00:14:57,761 --> 00:14:59,681 Speaker 3: is there, even if my dad phones up, I'm great, 349 00:14:59,841 --> 00:15:02,521 Speaker 3: but deep down I'm not. So the only way I 350 00:15:02,561 --> 00:15:05,841 Speaker 3: could do it was for that lead up to that night. 351 00:15:06,401 --> 00:15:08,081 Speaker 3: I think it was three weeks leading up to that. 352 00:15:08,441 --> 00:15:10,641 Speaker 3: I wasn't turning up at the cross jour on the week, 353 00:15:10,761 --> 00:15:11,881 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. There was some light, I 354 00:15:11,961 --> 00:15:13,921 Speaker 3: was some I wasn't I'll be sitting in that park 355 00:15:14,521 --> 00:15:16,121 Speaker 3: and not that I was thinking, this is what I'm 356 00:15:16,121 --> 00:15:18,481 Speaker 3: gonna do. I just needed to talk to myself to 357 00:15:18,521 --> 00:15:21,201 Speaker 3: sort my head down. I go for walks and then 358 00:15:21,241 --> 00:15:23,161 Speaker 3: I come home and I go I bullshit to people. 359 00:15:23,201 --> 00:15:24,441 Speaker 3: Oh it was a busy night, you know what I mean. 360 00:15:24,481 --> 00:15:26,481 Speaker 2: I just worked. Yeah it was great, but I wasn't. 361 00:15:26,921 --> 00:15:30,841 Speaker 3: Sometimes I get on it and drink myself silly just 362 00:15:30,881 --> 00:15:32,361 Speaker 3: to see if it go away in my head. 363 00:15:32,761 --> 00:15:35,001 Speaker 2: But I couldn't. And that's what I mean. 364 00:15:35,041 --> 00:15:37,561 Speaker 3: It got to the point where it was a burden 365 00:15:37,601 --> 00:15:39,521 Speaker 3: on me and I didn't know how to fix it, 366 00:15:40,241 --> 00:15:43,041 Speaker 3: and I didn't want to look weak. So I thought 367 00:15:43,121 --> 00:15:44,801 Speaker 3: I would do something like this. And if I put 368 00:15:44,841 --> 00:15:47,041 Speaker 3: it this way, at the time, with all the ganglang 369 00:15:47,201 --> 00:15:49,801 Speaker 3: wars going on in Sydney, I thought, if I got 370 00:15:49,841 --> 00:15:53,441 Speaker 3: a hit, no one's going to suspect anything that it 371 00:15:53,481 --> 00:15:54,121 Speaker 3: was suicide. 372 00:15:54,441 --> 00:15:57,921 Speaker 2: It was a hit, and that's why I did it. Yeah, 373 00:15:58,041 --> 00:15:58,841 Speaker 2: it'll just got to you. 374 00:15:59,961 --> 00:16:02,681 Speaker 3: Yeah, And in that world, you can't talk to anyone, 375 00:16:02,721 --> 00:16:03,961 Speaker 3: you know what I mean, don't. I don't want to 376 00:16:03,961 --> 00:16:06,721 Speaker 3: look weak, And it's sad in a way. And I'll 377 00:16:06,761 --> 00:16:08,601 Speaker 3: admit I must look like a week on talking like this. 378 00:16:08,721 --> 00:16:10,921 Speaker 3: But the thing is, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna 379 00:16:11,001 --> 00:16:13,641 Speaker 3: sugarcoat it and bullshit to anybody with my life. 380 00:16:13,801 --> 00:16:15,041 Speaker 2: That's how I felt at the time. 381 00:16:15,601 --> 00:16:17,481 Speaker 3: I did know how to get out of it, and 382 00:16:17,521 --> 00:16:20,681 Speaker 3: I couldn't do anything else but suicides because I just 383 00:16:20,721 --> 00:16:22,761 Speaker 3: couldn't go through it, and that's the only thing I 384 00:16:22,761 --> 00:16:23,281 Speaker 3: could think of. 385 00:16:24,281 --> 00:16:27,001 Speaker 2: I picked the place. It took me about four days 386 00:16:27,001 --> 00:16:27,801 Speaker 2: to pick that place. 387 00:16:28,241 --> 00:16:30,281 Speaker 3: I knew it. No one comes around there. I watched 388 00:16:30,321 --> 00:16:32,761 Speaker 3: every walker with their dogs, what times they coming, all 389 00:16:32,801 --> 00:16:34,881 Speaker 3: like that, no one would be there, and this is 390 00:16:34,881 --> 00:16:35,681 Speaker 3: what and that's. 391 00:16:35,521 --> 00:16:39,521 Speaker 1: That's really sad. That's really sad. 392 00:16:41,921 --> 00:16:43,281 Speaker 2: And you're doing well. 393 00:16:43,281 --> 00:16:44,481 Speaker 4: And you got a lot of fans, not that you 394 00:16:44,481 --> 00:16:47,041 Speaker 4: didn't have fans before, but yeah, for a positive way. 395 00:16:47,041 --> 00:16:52,001 Speaker 2: Thank you. Come on, carry on. Well, how did you 396 00:16:52,041 --> 00:16:52,481 Speaker 2: meet John? 397 00:16:53,441 --> 00:16:56,881 Speaker 3: It came like I met his brother first Sam when 398 00:16:56,881 --> 00:17:00,761 Speaker 3: I was running YU and so Hope and I knew 399 00:17:01,001 --> 00:17:03,801 Speaker 3: of John but never met him, never seen him. Everyone 400 00:17:03,881 --> 00:17:06,041 Speaker 3: used to just say about this per new on the tunnel, 401 00:17:06,161 --> 00:17:07,841 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So I'd never met him, 402 00:17:08,201 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 3: and then I got the chance to work at d CS. 403 00:17:11,201 --> 00:17:13,001 Speaker 3: You know, people have been saying to me. I remember 404 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,001 Speaker 3: Dave Freeman at the time was pushing for me to 405 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,921 Speaker 3: go and work down at d CMS, and a lot 406 00:17:18,961 --> 00:17:20,640 Speaker 3: of dorman at the time was saying, you should take 407 00:17:20,681 --> 00:17:23,521 Speaker 3: over the door because they need someone like you there. 408 00:17:23,561 --> 00:17:25,120 Speaker 3: And I got to know one of the albander boys 409 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:27,640 Speaker 3: on the door of DCMS, and he says, do it, 410 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:29,281 Speaker 3: And I said, you know what, I'm not working at 411 00:17:29,281 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 3: that venue. I said, because I used to This is 412 00:17:31,761 --> 00:17:34,640 Speaker 3: true story when I used to run YU and soho. 413 00:17:35,201 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 3: There used to be about three dormen that worked at 414 00:17:37,281 --> 00:17:39,521 Speaker 3: d CMS, right, and I used to know about this club, 415 00:17:39,561 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 3: and I used to hate it. 416 00:17:40,441 --> 00:17:41,201 Speaker 2: I've never been there. 417 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 3: And they used to say, I've got to leave my 418 00:17:43,721 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 3: shift now and go and work down DC's. 419 00:17:45,120 --> 00:17:46,721 Speaker 2: I said, well, act your last shift. You'll never work 420 00:17:46,721 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 2: here again. 421 00:17:47,561 --> 00:17:50,001 Speaker 3: So three dormen never came back to YU because I said, 422 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 3: you work at d CMS, you've. 423 00:17:51,360 --> 00:17:54,041 Speaker 2: Lost your job, right, And then there's me four months later. 424 00:17:54,120 --> 00:17:56,641 Speaker 2: I'm fucking you know what I mean. 425 00:17:56,961 --> 00:17:59,481 Speaker 3: So it was actually when I first time I met 426 00:17:59,521 --> 00:18:02,321 Speaker 3: John the night at d CMS, my first night at DCMS, 427 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 3: and I swear to god, people still don't believe me. 428 00:18:04,801 --> 00:18:07,041 Speaker 2: But i'd never met him. I didn't know what he 429 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 2: looked like. 430 00:18:08,201 --> 00:18:10,801 Speaker 3: And I remember everyone saying I'll stay at my stand 431 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 3: on the door, and he said, God, John's on his 432 00:18:13,001 --> 00:18:14,880 Speaker 3: way down and I'm way away. And he goes the 433 00:18:14,961 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 3: rain drover and I hear this fucking rain drover come 434 00:18:17,561 --> 00:18:20,201 Speaker 3: down and it's just like a collection of people getting 435 00:18:20,201 --> 00:18:22,641 Speaker 3: out these cars. And I'm looking over who's who's it, 436 00:18:23,041 --> 00:18:25,721 Speaker 3: and I just me being me, and I've been a stereotype. 437 00:18:25,961 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 3: As I said to you, I look for the person 438 00:18:28,201 --> 00:18:31,761 Speaker 3: who looks like he's fucking intimidating, and it to me, 439 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:33,681 Speaker 3: it was plunging Sam, you know what I mean, because 440 00:18:33,681 --> 00:18:35,561 Speaker 3: he's fucking got out that car and he just looked 441 00:18:35,561 --> 00:18:38,761 Speaker 3: the part. He was a big leather jacket, and I'm thinking, fuck, 442 00:18:38,801 --> 00:18:41,241 Speaker 3: oh shit. And I just remember standing by the wall 443 00:18:41,241 --> 00:18:43,361 Speaker 3: by the salon next door, and I had my back 444 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:45,041 Speaker 3: to it, and I'm just thinking, Okay, here he is, 445 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:46,561 Speaker 3: and I'm thinking I had my I remember, I had 446 00:18:46,561 --> 00:18:50,761 Speaker 3: my head down like this, and John came first, and 447 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:55,161 Speaker 3: because he's so he's small, I just wasn't expecting this 448 00:18:55,241 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 3: is him, you know what I mean. 449 00:18:56,481 --> 00:18:58,521 Speaker 2: And my hand was just flimsy. 450 00:18:58,080 --> 00:18:59,640 Speaker 3: To him because I just thought, well, I'm waiting for 451 00:18:59,681 --> 00:19:01,321 Speaker 3: tongue and Sam going to give him the ship and 452 00:19:01,360 --> 00:19:03,761 Speaker 3: it was him, and I just remember he stopped and 453 00:19:03,761 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 3: he just goes, oh, you're go, and I go what 454 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 3: and I'll go I'm John, And I just remember. 455 00:19:09,321 --> 00:19:10,521 Speaker 2: Going, what the fuck? 456 00:19:11,441 --> 00:19:13,721 Speaker 3: And I just went and then Tongue and Sam went 457 00:19:13,801 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 3: like this on my back and nice to meet you 458 00:19:15,241 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 3: brought them like this and like and when they all 459 00:19:17,241 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 3: went upstairs to the door, I'm like, why could the 460 00:19:19,241 --> 00:19:22,360 Speaker 3: fuck you tell me this? I got we thought you knew, 461 00:19:23,921 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 3: like a fucking goose like this, and then yeah, that 462 00:19:26,921 --> 00:19:28,441 Speaker 3: was Yeah, that was my first time I met him, 463 00:19:28,521 --> 00:19:30,201 Speaker 3: so I always got the handshake ready for that one. 464 00:19:31,721 --> 00:19:34,041 Speaker 4: Do you blame John some degree for what you went through, 465 00:19:34,120 --> 00:19:36,761 Speaker 4: what your family went through, because look, getting into this, 466 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,121 Speaker 4: you never would have imagined going as far as you did. 467 00:19:39,281 --> 00:19:41,801 Speaker 4: You were just having to be doing security work. And 468 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,801 Speaker 4: I can't blame John. And at the end of the day, 469 00:19:45,360 --> 00:19:48,761 Speaker 4: it's my own choice to stay there. And I can 470 00:19:48,761 --> 00:19:50,241 Speaker 4: say I loved every minute of it, you know what 471 00:19:50,241 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 4: I mean, There was not one bit that I regret, 472 00:19:52,961 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 4: you know what, Ian, even though you can say, oh 473 00:19:54,281 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 4: my god, but luck you've been shot at, you've been this, 474 00:19:56,120 --> 00:19:57,801 Speaker 4: You've been you know, look at the people you've lost 475 00:19:57,840 --> 00:19:59,281 Speaker 4: his friends. But now, at the end of the day, 476 00:19:59,521 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 4: I choose to do it, and I loved every minute. 477 00:20:01,801 --> 00:20:04,880 Speaker 4: And I still have a lot of respect for his family, 478 00:20:04,921 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 4: and I still talk to Farty you know, and Sam 479 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,401 Speaker 4: and all like that to this day. So I've got 480 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:10,521 Speaker 4: no problem with saying that. 481 00:20:10,921 --> 00:20:13,761 Speaker 3: No, I can't blame him or his family for the 482 00:20:13,801 --> 00:20:16,681 Speaker 3: way I've been treated by my family or friends. It's 483 00:20:16,721 --> 00:20:19,481 Speaker 3: the people who want to judge me for what goes 484 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 3: betrayed in the media, you know what I mean. They 485 00:20:21,681 --> 00:20:23,561 Speaker 3: want to say on Neil as a standover man, Nil's 486 00:20:23,561 --> 00:20:25,521 Speaker 3: but John that he worked for John Abraham. But like 487 00:20:25,961 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 3: so what, as I said, I could work for anybody 488 00:20:28,241 --> 00:20:30,801 Speaker 3: else and do the same thing. But you're judging me 489 00:20:30,961 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 3: for because of what you hear in the media and 490 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,241 Speaker 3: what they do. I'm still the same Neil, you know 491 00:20:35,241 --> 00:20:36,921 Speaker 3: what I mean. Like eid, a lot of soccer mates 492 00:20:36,921 --> 00:20:39,441 Speaker 3: stand in Wollongong. When I used to play soccer, they 493 00:20:39,441 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 3: all turned into detectives and coppers. They all dis owe 494 00:20:43,041 --> 00:20:45,640 Speaker 3: me as mates and I've I've played with them, you know, 495 00:20:45,681 --> 00:20:48,481 Speaker 3: for like ten years, but because of what I did, 496 00:20:48,681 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 3: they turn their back on me just because of their work. 497 00:20:51,761 --> 00:20:54,041 Speaker 2: You know what I mean. It's like, so be it. 498 00:20:54,120 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 3: But now I'm out, they want to be my friend again, 499 00:20:57,441 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. You can't what I mean 500 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,360 Speaker 3: about people like you can't just stop being somebody, you 501 00:21:01,360 --> 00:21:03,761 Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like because I'm I'm who I 502 00:21:03,801 --> 00:21:06,360 Speaker 3: work for, judge me and just say give me the flag. 503 00:21:06,681 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 3: But then ten years later when I'm out, Oh, now 504 00:21:08,441 --> 00:21:10,120 Speaker 3: you want to be my friend again. Like it doesn't 505 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,281 Speaker 3: work that way, you know what I mean. Of course, No, 506 00:21:12,441 --> 00:21:14,921 Speaker 3: I don't blame John. I don't blame John. Regrets, No, 507 00:21:14,921 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 3: no regrets. 508 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,880 Speaker 1: Who's the most intimidating person that you've met or interviewed 509 00:21:19,801 --> 00:21:24,801 Speaker 1: on the podcast overall Anytime Work Podcast. 510 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 3: The most intimidating person I've ever met outside podcast, and 511 00:21:30,481 --> 00:21:34,360 Speaker 3: I'm glad that he was on our side, was Crazy Dave. 512 00:21:35,360 --> 00:21:38,321 Speaker 3: His name was Crazy Dave, and he is the most 513 00:21:38,961 --> 00:21:42,801 Speaker 3: lethal person who was in our on our side at 514 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:44,721 Speaker 3: the time. And I've seen him blue and I've seen 515 00:21:44,801 --> 00:21:49,681 Speaker 3: him go for to for toe. His presence was just unbelievable, 516 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,521 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. He could walk anywhere and 517 00:21:52,561 --> 00:21:56,521 Speaker 3: you could see the fear in everybody. So he is 518 00:21:56,561 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 3: the most intimidated person I know, And what where is 519 00:22:01,441 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 3: he from? Like King's Cross, or he was with John 520 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 3: and or like that. He was on our side and 521 00:22:06,120 --> 00:22:08,360 Speaker 3: I like that. But he was used to be in 522 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 3: across everywhere where we had venues, he was there to 523 00:22:11,801 --> 00:22:13,961 Speaker 3: he was the backup. Okay, you know what I mean. 524 00:22:14,360 --> 00:22:17,681 Speaker 3: He was the most intimidating persons. As for the podcast, 525 00:22:18,801 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 3: there's not a person who intimidates me. It's actually, you know, 526 00:22:21,281 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 3: and I'll say this, it's the escorts that come in 527 00:22:23,721 --> 00:22:26,641 Speaker 3: here on my show that intimidate me because because they 528 00:22:26,721 --> 00:22:29,561 Speaker 3: work it with me, so they work it to intimidate 529 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:34,241 Speaker 3: me and they succeed. So yes, they're the only people 530 00:22:34,281 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 3: who intimidate me because it's like they're sucking trying to 531 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:37,120 Speaker 3: sell themselves. 532 00:22:37,120 --> 00:22:37,761 Speaker 2: They don't need to. 533 00:22:37,961 --> 00:22:40,321 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, OK, fair enough. 534 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,761 Speaker 4: So when the you know seven, when the driveway shooting 535 00:22:43,761 --> 00:22:46,001 Speaker 4: happened to d see him, which I was inside with 536 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,401 Speaker 4: that happened, actually why didn't you just walk away then? 537 00:22:49,441 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 4: And they just say, you know what, enoughs enough, I 538 00:22:51,201 --> 00:22:52,041 Speaker 4: can't do this anymore. 539 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:52,360 Speaker 2: You know what. 540 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,521 Speaker 3: It didn't phase me when that when that light happened, 541 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,321 Speaker 3: it didn't phase me. It's funny, it doesn't phase you 542 00:22:57,721 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 3: till years later than you think about it. That night 543 00:23:00,961 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 3: was just like, oh there was a drive by, you 544 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 3: know what I mean, And I was just like, you know, 545 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,241 Speaker 3: yeah I met, but just talking about it after that, 546 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 3: and I even to talk about it, you know, you 547 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 3: try and like, I don't know if you tried it 548 00:23:10,721 --> 00:23:13,001 Speaker 3: when you when it happened. But when I spoke about 549 00:23:13,041 --> 00:23:15,761 Speaker 3: it to other people, they don't get it, you know, 550 00:23:15,801 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 3: they couldn't get the gist of what just happened to me, 551 00:23:18,041 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 3: you know, on the door. 552 00:23:19,561 --> 00:23:22,321 Speaker 2: And as I said, that's that now I can look back. 553 00:23:22,321 --> 00:23:25,001 Speaker 3: It was scary because the week before I seen the 554 00:23:25,041 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 3: practice run for it, you know what I mean, And 555 00:23:27,041 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 3: that I remembered everything because that was my job to 556 00:23:29,120 --> 00:23:31,681 Speaker 3: remember everything on the street and to see the practice run. 557 00:23:31,721 --> 00:23:34,640 Speaker 3: And then it go for gold the next week and 558 00:23:34,721 --> 00:23:35,721 Speaker 3: the same car used. 559 00:23:36,360 --> 00:23:36,561 Speaker 2: You know. 560 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,001 Speaker 3: It was just unbelievable, and it was everything happened in 561 00:23:39,041 --> 00:23:41,801 Speaker 3: slow motion, you know what I mean, even the practice 562 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,761 Speaker 3: run to the actual night. So this day, I don't 563 00:23:44,801 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 3: know why I moved the ballads. I still to this 564 00:23:47,120 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 3: day don't know why I moved them. You know, I 565 00:23:48,721 --> 00:23:51,281 Speaker 3: never do it, and I did, and then I just 566 00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:54,841 Speaker 3: remember being behind the black door putting the ballads there 567 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 3: and just hearing those bangs go off. It was just unbelievable, 568 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,521 Speaker 3: the sound and to hear it shatter the glass and 569 00:24:01,561 --> 00:24:04,160 Speaker 3: then hit people go down. The sound around you just 570 00:24:04,521 --> 00:24:09,561 Speaker 3: clicked off and all you heard was gunshots, gunshots, screaming, screaming, 571 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 3: and that's it. And then I remember coming out and 572 00:24:12,521 --> 00:24:14,681 Speaker 3: I just seen the car going speeding and that's when 573 00:24:14,681 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 3: I went fucked, that's the car from last week. Everything 574 00:24:16,961 --> 00:24:20,801 Speaker 3: just came flashing back. Yeah, and but yeah, that's it was. 575 00:24:20,921 --> 00:24:21,801 Speaker 3: It was a scary night. 576 00:24:21,961 --> 00:24:25,321 Speaker 4: It strange coming down the stairs and tapering and police, 577 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 4: what's going on? 578 00:24:26,481 --> 00:24:28,241 Speaker 2: Like, what's happened? I mean, you know, just sort of 579 00:24:28,241 --> 00:24:30,120 Speaker 2: maybe something so surreal, you know what I mean, because 580 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 2: you just didn't you don't expect it, you know what 581 00:24:31,801 --> 00:24:32,041 Speaker 2: I mean. 582 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 3: And you get the odd people coming past and go 583 00:24:35,001 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 3: shoot you, but you don't think it's ever going to happen. 584 00:24:37,761 --> 00:24:39,561 Speaker 3: But then to see people that you know, especially that 585 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,481 Speaker 3: person who ran down the stairs and as he came 586 00:24:41,521 --> 00:24:43,001 Speaker 3: down to come out and he's just going home, and 587 00:24:43,001 --> 00:24:44,920 Speaker 3: he pumped, you know what I mean, got pumped. And 588 00:24:44,961 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 3: then I remember Levy got virtually shot. He was out 589 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,241 Speaker 3: the door too, and his make got shot in the 590 00:24:49,281 --> 00:24:50,761 Speaker 3: leg just sitting at Gloria Jeans. 591 00:24:51,360 --> 00:24:54,281 Speaker 2: You mean, so it was very surreal what happened. 592 00:24:54,360 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 3: And as I said to this day, I don't know 593 00:24:56,241 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 3: why I moved the ballads because I normally stand there. 594 00:24:58,921 --> 00:25:01,921 Speaker 2: You know, six bullets got hit there. So it's just good. 595 00:25:01,961 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 2: Have been much worse. 596 00:25:02,761 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, Have you said anybody's life? 597 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,880 Speaker 3: Have I saved anybody's life? I don't think so. I 598 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 3: don't think of I don't know if I've saved anyone's life. 599 00:25:12,561 --> 00:25:16,641 Speaker 3: Actually I couldn't. I couldn't tell you like i've I've 600 00:25:16,721 --> 00:25:18,880 Speaker 3: saved people from getting beat up, but I've never I 601 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,321 Speaker 3: don't know if I've saved anybody. 602 00:25:21,801 --> 00:25:22,120 Speaker 4: Thing you do. 603 00:25:22,281 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 2: I think you saved a lot of people from getting 604 00:25:25,801 --> 00:25:29,561 Speaker 2: You did, saved them and they were going to fucking 605 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,801 Speaker 2: die or something. I don't know. But like there was 606 00:25:31,801 --> 00:25:33,121 Speaker 2: once I remember on a Friday and night. 607 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,120 Speaker 3: I think it was when DC's got moved to Havana, 608 00:25:35,961 --> 00:25:38,641 Speaker 3: and it was it was all the R and B nights, 609 00:25:38,681 --> 00:25:40,361 Speaker 3: I remember, and you used to be used to get 610 00:25:40,360 --> 00:25:43,561 Speaker 3: all the tryads used to come to DC's on them night, 611 00:25:44,441 --> 00:25:47,401 Speaker 3: and I remember a fight broke out outside and these 612 00:25:47,441 --> 00:25:50,601 Speaker 3: boys don't give a ship, I remember, and they they 613 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,161 Speaker 3: went after a copper and they were going to beat 614 00:25:53,201 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 3: him up. And I remember it was outside the pizza 615 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,841 Speaker 3: shop that's just further down by the news agents, by Havana, 616 00:26:00,321 --> 00:26:01,921 Speaker 3: and they were going to beat him. They were absolutely 617 00:26:01,961 --> 00:26:04,001 Speaker 3: gonna fucking turn him apart. They didn't care, and I 618 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 3: got in between them and I shielded him. And I remember, 619 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,481 Speaker 3: even though they knew me and they were they were, 620 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,761 Speaker 3: I was still copy hit. And I remember telling them, 621 00:26:14,001 --> 00:26:15,961 Speaker 3: just relaxed, walk with me and I'll get you out 622 00:26:16,001 --> 00:26:18,521 Speaker 3: of here. And I walk with them, and they didn't 623 00:26:18,521 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 3: care like I was saving it because they respected me. 624 00:26:20,521 --> 00:26:22,081 Speaker 3: But I just wasn't going to let a copper get 625 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,281 Speaker 3: beat up. And then I remember, you know, he said 626 00:26:25,321 --> 00:26:26,881 Speaker 3: thank you for what I did. But the next week 627 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,321 Speaker 3: he came down fucking and go with me for fucking 628 00:26:29,360 --> 00:26:32,121 Speaker 3: letting him too many people, and I feel last week 629 00:26:32,120 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 3: and then fucking. 630 00:26:33,761 --> 00:26:37,081 Speaker 2: Forget, but you know, things like that. Yeah, but that's 631 00:26:37,120 --> 00:26:37,761 Speaker 2: for saying my life. 632 00:26:37,761 --> 00:26:40,801 Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't think i've that doesn't come 633 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:42,521 Speaker 3: to any my mind. 634 00:26:43,481 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 4: When did you finally feel free in your life to 635 00:26:45,801 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 4: leave everything behind and finally take a deep breath and 636 00:26:48,721 --> 00:26:51,801 Speaker 4: be like, Okay, this is my life now I'm finally 637 00:26:51,801 --> 00:26:53,640 Speaker 4: doing what I want to do with their feeling the 638 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,641 Speaker 4: pressure when I left working for completely everything and when 639 00:26:57,681 --> 00:27:00,641 Speaker 4: I left working for John, it took me no way 640 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,241 Speaker 4: to a lie, probably. 641 00:27:01,921 --> 00:27:06,121 Speaker 3: At least maybe eighteen months to get over what I've 642 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 3: done because that was my life, you know what I mean, 643 00:27:08,721 --> 00:27:11,321 Speaker 3: Like coming home early hours in the morning, sought my 644 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 3: day out to get ready to go into the Cross. 645 00:27:13,360 --> 00:27:16,321 Speaker 2: You know, I was for eighteen months. I was lost. 646 00:27:16,561 --> 00:27:18,401 Speaker 3: I remember sitting at home, didn't know what to do. 647 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 3: I didn't want to go out because I didn't want 648 00:27:20,481 --> 00:27:22,721 Speaker 3: to show my face and it took me a while 649 00:27:22,801 --> 00:27:24,121 Speaker 3: to think what am I going to do now? 650 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:24,801 Speaker 2: With my wife. 651 00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:27,321 Speaker 3: I knew it was the right decision to do because 652 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:31,360 Speaker 3: if I'd had enough, But as for trying to move 653 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:36,001 Speaker 3: on and know that, okay, let's try and get the 654 00:27:36,041 --> 00:27:38,640 Speaker 3: old Neil back was hard and I had to go 655 00:27:38,721 --> 00:27:42,880 Speaker 3: and find mates that I grew up with from soccer 656 00:27:43,321 --> 00:27:45,281 Speaker 3: because I needed to go back to the old Neil 657 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,241 Speaker 3: because the people who were around me for the Neil 658 00:27:48,281 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 3: and the. 659 00:27:48,481 --> 00:27:50,361 Speaker 2: King's Cross were still in the Cross. 660 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,681 Speaker 3: So me going around hanging with them or talking to them, 661 00:27:52,721 --> 00:27:55,281 Speaker 3: it's just going to bring me back into the scene again. 662 00:27:55,561 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 3: So I had to go and kind of find people 663 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,041 Speaker 3: who I used to hang around and just talk about 664 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 3: soccer the things I now haven't done for years. And 665 00:28:04,201 --> 00:28:05,880 Speaker 3: it helped me in a way because it made me 666 00:28:05,921 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 3: forget about what, you know, I've been doing for the 667 00:28:08,241 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 3: last twenty years. So that was hard to do that. 668 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,521 Speaker 3: But yeah, and especially again I had no family to 669 00:28:14,561 --> 00:28:17,561 Speaker 3: talk to, so it was hard again to That's what's 670 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 3: probably hurt me the most, not having that family to 671 00:28:20,201 --> 00:28:23,120 Speaker 3: talk to in situations like that, especially my dad, Yeah, 672 00:28:23,201 --> 00:28:24,761 Speaker 3: because he was one I could go and talk to. 673 00:28:24,921 --> 00:28:26,001 Speaker 2: But yeah, it was very hard. 674 00:28:26,001 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 3: So as I said, you know, anyone who talks to themselves, 675 00:28:29,001 --> 00:28:31,160 Speaker 3: you're not crazy because I fucking did it for years, 676 00:28:31,201 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And you never get the 677 00:28:32,481 --> 00:28:34,801 Speaker 3: right answer because there's one of your half of you're 678 00:28:34,801 --> 00:28:36,241 Speaker 3: saying yeah, do it, and have you're saying no. 679 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,801 Speaker 2: So you know what I mean. It's it's hard. But 680 00:28:39,041 --> 00:28:40,161 Speaker 2: they told me a long time. 681 00:28:40,761 --> 00:28:43,001 Speaker 1: Okay, what's your favorite tattoo and what's the meaning. 682 00:28:43,881 --> 00:28:47,121 Speaker 3: I'd say, my favorite tattoo? Which people are you going 683 00:28:47,161 --> 00:28:50,121 Speaker 3: to go with? What the fuck is? It's a number 684 00:28:50,161 --> 00:28:53,121 Speaker 3: seventy two on my back and that's my grandparents number 685 00:28:53,241 --> 00:28:57,041 Speaker 3: for where they lived for over sixty years. And it's 686 00:28:57,081 --> 00:28:59,481 Speaker 3: a way of me remember them because they has brought 687 00:28:59,481 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 3: me up more than what my parents did. And I 688 00:29:02,241 --> 00:29:04,641 Speaker 3: know it sounds weird that's all you put on your back, 689 00:29:05,201 --> 00:29:07,561 Speaker 3: but that was the seventy two of where the road 690 00:29:07,601 --> 00:29:09,881 Speaker 3: they lived, and that is, to me, is the most 691 00:29:09,921 --> 00:29:11,921 Speaker 3: important tattoo my body. 692 00:29:12,481 --> 00:29:15,401 Speaker 4: What would you talk current youth, for example, who want 693 00:29:15,401 --> 00:29:17,241 Speaker 4: this sort of life, the life that you had. Sorry, 694 00:29:18,201 --> 00:29:20,321 Speaker 4: right now you just admire and just want to be 695 00:29:20,401 --> 00:29:24,041 Speaker 4: an experience to have it. The best advice you could 696 00:29:24,041 --> 00:29:26,841 Speaker 4: give them back without stating the obvious. 697 00:29:26,721 --> 00:29:30,321 Speaker 3: Without saying that today's generation, it'd be very hard to 698 00:29:30,361 --> 00:29:32,361 Speaker 3: talk them out of it, Okay, because to me now, 699 00:29:32,401 --> 00:29:34,841 Speaker 3: it's a stereotype thing to do, you know what I mean? 700 00:29:35,001 --> 00:29:37,681 Speaker 3: Everybody now to me, I look at it, wants to 701 00:29:37,681 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 3: be a gangster. That's all I can see. You know, 702 00:29:40,041 --> 00:29:42,281 Speaker 3: back in the day, everyone was under the radar. And 703 00:29:42,321 --> 00:29:43,961 Speaker 3: I blame the TV shows for you, you know what 704 00:29:44,001 --> 00:29:46,481 Speaker 3: I mean, under Belly, the Last King of the Cross. 705 00:29:46,521 --> 00:29:49,361 Speaker 3: Everything is, it's it's making people want to be gangsters 706 00:29:49,361 --> 00:29:53,121 Speaker 3: social media. It's cool. It's cool to be a gangster, 707 00:29:53,441 --> 00:29:55,401 Speaker 3: you know what I mean, And it's not. The thing is, 708 00:29:56,001 --> 00:29:58,801 Speaker 3: the only way you will you will stop somebody from 709 00:29:58,921 --> 00:30:03,081 Speaker 3: being in that world is if they lose somebody who's 710 00:30:03,161 --> 00:30:06,161 Speaker 3: who's who's dear to them, then they'll see that this 711 00:30:06,321 --> 00:30:08,281 Speaker 3: is fucking real. Yeah, you know what I mean, Because 712 00:30:08,281 --> 00:30:09,881 Speaker 3: at the moment, they can go around and they can 713 00:30:09,881 --> 00:30:12,241 Speaker 3: show them money in their pockets, they can have the drugs, 714 00:30:12,241 --> 00:30:14,521 Speaker 3: they can have the jewelry, have the nice cars. But 715 00:30:14,601 --> 00:30:17,921 Speaker 3: until you lose someone real who's close to you, then 716 00:30:17,921 --> 00:30:19,841 Speaker 3: you'll fucking feel it, you know what I mean. 717 00:30:20,561 --> 00:30:21,641 Speaker 2: It's hard because you know. 718 00:30:21,721 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 3: I've lost a lot of people that I've known, but 719 00:30:24,361 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 3: I'm not saying that they were really, you know, close mates, 720 00:30:28,321 --> 00:30:29,641 Speaker 3: but you know, I've lost a lot of people in 721 00:30:29,721 --> 00:30:32,721 Speaker 3: the scene that you know, I've worked for. And yeah, 722 00:30:32,761 --> 00:30:34,761 Speaker 3: I take a step back and go, wow, fuck gone 723 00:30:34,761 --> 00:30:38,561 Speaker 3: now never going to see him again. But now and 724 00:30:38,601 --> 00:30:40,881 Speaker 3: I look back now, after me getting shot at and 725 00:30:40,921 --> 00:30:44,281 Speaker 3: all like this, I realized, fuck at the time, that 726 00:30:44,281 --> 00:30:46,281 Speaker 3: could have hurt so many people, you know, I was, 727 00:30:46,401 --> 00:30:48,881 Speaker 3: I was still talking to people back then, and I 728 00:30:48,961 --> 00:30:53,041 Speaker 3: just feel that the young generation nowadays don't realize the 729 00:30:53,081 --> 00:30:55,281 Speaker 3: cost of it. They don't care about going to jail 730 00:30:55,561 --> 00:30:57,081 Speaker 3: or getting locked up because they know they can be 731 00:30:57,121 --> 00:30:58,961 Speaker 3: out soon, you know what I mean. And it's cool 732 00:30:59,001 --> 00:31:01,161 Speaker 3: to some people think it's cool to go back into jail, 733 00:31:01,881 --> 00:31:04,201 Speaker 3: But to lose somebody, I know that you'll never see 734 00:31:04,201 --> 00:31:06,881 Speaker 3: them again. You're the cause of why you lost them, 735 00:31:07,001 --> 00:31:09,681 Speaker 3: because of what you do. That's that's the main thing. 736 00:31:10,521 --> 00:31:15,281 Speaker 5: So, yeah, who's your most favorite celebrity that you've met 737 00:31:15,361 --> 00:31:17,281 Speaker 5: or the most humble that you've met? 738 00:31:17,641 --> 00:31:17,881 Speaker 1: Ever? 739 00:31:18,641 --> 00:31:20,161 Speaker 2: Do you want to say? None? 740 00:31:20,481 --> 00:31:22,601 Speaker 1: None, not one. 741 00:31:24,761 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 3: Listen, the celebrities I've looked after when I was in 742 00:31:28,241 --> 00:31:30,321 Speaker 3: there back in the day were humble and nice. 743 00:31:30,361 --> 00:31:33,001 Speaker 2: You know why, because they want something from me. 744 00:31:33,601 --> 00:31:36,721 Speaker 3: I can help them get into a club, free drinks, 745 00:31:36,961 --> 00:31:40,041 Speaker 3: make them look good. But the real person after that, 746 00:31:40,361 --> 00:31:42,321 Speaker 3: you see. So when I'm out now, I'm not doing 747 00:31:42,321 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 3: anything like that. They are the same person other not 748 00:31:44,841 --> 00:31:49,201 Speaker 3: so you see the real character in them. Me celebrities, well, 749 00:31:49,401 --> 00:31:51,201 Speaker 3: you name me a celebrity who was an a grater 750 00:31:51,321 --> 00:31:53,561 Speaker 3: in australiacause I fucking I swear I don't know any. 751 00:31:54,321 --> 00:31:58,121 Speaker 3: But as for celebrities now, soccer. Soccer players I've got 752 00:31:58,121 --> 00:32:00,841 Speaker 3: time for, you know what I mean, because they are 753 00:32:00,401 --> 00:32:02,521 Speaker 3: that's me, you know what I mean, I can, I 754 00:32:02,561 --> 00:32:04,881 Speaker 3: can relate to them. But as for these TV ones 755 00:32:04,881 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 3: and there's the singers that are fucking faith Sorry. 756 00:32:08,881 --> 00:32:14,321 Speaker 1: Favorite soccer player, My favorite soccer player's. 757 00:32:14,681 --> 00:32:15,921 Speaker 2: Football. 758 00:32:16,881 --> 00:32:20,001 Speaker 1: Okay, that's what's your favorite team? 759 00:32:20,641 --> 00:32:21,521 Speaker 2: Surprise you picked me. 760 00:32:23,761 --> 00:32:24,361 Speaker 1: Play football? 761 00:32:26,441 --> 00:32:34,481 Speaker 4: Enemy? Uh? So do you miss standing at the door 762 00:32:34,521 --> 00:32:40,521 Speaker 4: of the greatest ever experienced all the time and seeing 763 00:32:40,521 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 4: the same heads like me week in, week out, all 764 00:32:44,401 --> 00:32:44,761 Speaker 4: night long. 765 00:32:44,881 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 2: You know what I. 766 00:32:47,761 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 3: If d C's had stayed open at the original place, 767 00:32:51,641 --> 00:32:54,041 Speaker 3: then things might have been different. As soon as it 768 00:32:54,081 --> 00:32:57,441 Speaker 3: went to Havana, it got shipped and it was depressing 769 00:32:57,641 --> 00:33:01,241 Speaker 3: to come to work every fucking weekend and sit on 770 00:33:01,321 --> 00:33:04,881 Speaker 3: that door was depressing. But at d C is the original, 771 00:33:05,241 --> 00:33:07,641 Speaker 3: it was so much fun. The old school people who 772 00:33:07,681 --> 00:33:10,241 Speaker 3: would come there respected you. You could have a laugh 773 00:33:10,321 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 3: talk to them. They went there to party, you know 774 00:33:12,481 --> 00:33:12,841 Speaker 3: what I mean. 775 00:33:13,601 --> 00:33:16,641 Speaker 2: Do I miss it? Yes? But I moved on to 776 00:33:16,721 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 2: better things. Yeah, you know what I mean. 777 00:33:18,001 --> 00:33:20,361 Speaker 3: When when I started walking with John, you know, that 778 00:33:20,521 --> 00:33:22,001 Speaker 3: was my goal when I first started with John, So 779 00:33:22,121 --> 00:33:25,161 Speaker 3: I'd reached my goal. When I got back to reunions, 780 00:33:25,201 --> 00:33:27,761 Speaker 3: which I did the other night, it was depressing, you know, 781 00:33:28,001 --> 00:33:32,561 Speaker 3: it was fucking horrendous, Like, yes, it's I get people 782 00:33:32,601 --> 00:33:33,681 Speaker 3: go for the reunions. 783 00:33:33,881 --> 00:33:35,441 Speaker 2: I was going to have to put this on social media. 784 00:33:35,441 --> 00:33:36,801 Speaker 2: Bottom I'll put my podcast. 785 00:33:37,601 --> 00:33:41,361 Speaker 3: You go for reunions to reminisce about the good times, 786 00:33:42,081 --> 00:33:44,361 Speaker 3: catch up with people that you partied with for years. 787 00:33:45,241 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 3: But if you're going to do a reunion, you've got 788 00:33:47,361 --> 00:33:50,521 Speaker 3: to make the venue look like the place. Otherwise it's 789 00:33:50,561 --> 00:33:52,001 Speaker 3: not a reunion. You know. 790 00:33:52,161 --> 00:33:52,841 Speaker 2: Yes I can. 791 00:33:52,921 --> 00:33:55,121 Speaker 3: I can bump into you in fucking Westfield and I 792 00:33:55,161 --> 00:33:57,361 Speaker 3: can bring back memories. But if you're going to do 793 00:33:57,441 --> 00:34:01,321 Speaker 3: reunion in the actual place and bring back old DJs 794 00:34:01,481 --> 00:34:03,361 Speaker 3: and fucking bring back everyone, I have to walk in 795 00:34:03,441 --> 00:34:06,521 Speaker 3: that and I've got to remember Wow, DC's wow. Not 796 00:34:06,681 --> 00:34:10,001 Speaker 3: walk into a venue. You walk into a venue and 797 00:34:10,081 --> 00:34:13,681 Speaker 3: it's white walls, very lights. Yeah, this is not the fun. 798 00:34:13,801 --> 00:34:16,681 Speaker 3: This is not And it looks like a restaurant. That's 799 00:34:16,721 --> 00:34:18,721 Speaker 3: not me, you know what I mean. And it really 800 00:34:18,841 --> 00:34:20,481 Speaker 3: depressed me when I walked in You have a night 801 00:34:20,681 --> 00:34:23,361 Speaker 3: for this reunion. Yeah, I was seeing people. Great to 802 00:34:23,361 --> 00:34:25,801 Speaker 3: see is Yeah, they're talking nice. You know, you've got 803 00:34:25,921 --> 00:34:28,641 Speaker 3: Kurky playing and Stevie B Mickey D. But then you 804 00:34:28,721 --> 00:34:31,241 Speaker 3: look around the venue and go, what is this place? 805 00:34:31,721 --> 00:34:33,961 Speaker 3: This is not DC's just not. I remember it, lasers 806 00:34:33,961 --> 00:34:37,761 Speaker 3: going off, sweat from the ceiling. It's black, you black, 807 00:34:38,081 --> 00:34:40,441 Speaker 3: and everyone goes, oh. I thought d C's was bigger. 808 00:34:40,521 --> 00:34:43,161 Speaker 3: Well because it was black, so it made it look big, 809 00:34:43,241 --> 00:34:44,681 Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Because it was dingy. You 810 00:34:44,721 --> 00:34:47,561 Speaker 3: couldn't see anything. So with lights dim so far like 811 00:34:47,601 --> 00:34:50,561 Speaker 3: there was lights on. It was like in like DC's 812 00:34:50,681 --> 00:34:53,361 Speaker 3: was never had lights all right, So as for that, 813 00:34:54,881 --> 00:34:56,801 Speaker 3: that's the only thing I don't like about it. You know, 814 00:34:57,081 --> 00:34:59,681 Speaker 3: I like to remember the good times. And as I said, 815 00:34:59,681 --> 00:35:02,041 Speaker 3: if DC's has stayed, I probably would have stayed on 816 00:35:02,081 --> 00:35:02,521 Speaker 3: that door for. 817 00:35:02,641 --> 00:35:06,921 Speaker 2: Years to come, until within a few weeks it would 818 00:35:06,921 --> 00:35:09,401 Speaker 2: have been so yeah, is. 819 00:35:09,401 --> 00:35:11,881 Speaker 5: This someone that you want to interview? Someone famous that 820 00:35:11,921 --> 00:35:15,001 Speaker 5: you would really really love to interview? Who would you pick? 821 00:35:18,001 --> 00:35:22,001 Speaker 2: I would probably say I probably just want Mike Tyson. 822 00:35:23,481 --> 00:35:25,641 Speaker 3: Mike Tyson that has been an idol of mine for years, 823 00:35:25,881 --> 00:35:27,681 Speaker 3: and you know, I'd love to sit down with him 824 00:35:27,841 --> 00:35:30,440 Speaker 3: and just go through his whole life. You know, there's 825 00:35:30,601 --> 00:35:33,241 Speaker 3: there's not really any gangsters or anything like that, like 826 00:35:34,081 --> 00:35:34,601 Speaker 3: i'd like to. 827 00:35:34,801 --> 00:35:36,521 Speaker 2: I would have liked it if you you know, al 828 00:35:36,561 --> 00:35:37,721 Speaker 2: Capone like. 829 00:35:37,761 --> 00:35:40,921 Speaker 3: Them, yeah, or you know, like them kind of people, 830 00:35:40,921 --> 00:35:41,841 Speaker 3: if they were still around. 831 00:35:41,921 --> 00:35:44,001 Speaker 2: But like the old schools people. 832 00:35:44,081 --> 00:35:46,801 Speaker 3: But as for you know, on the world now, I 833 00:35:46,841 --> 00:35:50,201 Speaker 3: think everyone's said their story and you know, there's not 834 00:35:50,281 --> 00:35:53,361 Speaker 3: really anything else that anyone can add. There's no TV 835 00:35:53,481 --> 00:35:56,041 Speaker 3: people that I really want, really really I'm interested in. 836 00:35:57,161 --> 00:35:58,201 Speaker 2: So really Mike. 837 00:35:58,121 --> 00:36:02,801 Speaker 4: Tyson wanted like that'd be pretty cool. So I went 838 00:36:02,881 --> 00:36:05,481 Speaker 4: back in the day. You're at home by supply. I 839 00:36:05,521 --> 00:36:08,081 Speaker 4: think it's the first time I ever seen you really, 840 00:36:08,281 --> 00:36:15,641 Speaker 4: Oh shit, fucking hell. And I used to anytime someone 841 00:36:15,681 --> 00:36:17,601 Speaker 4: brought in stuff, for example, you take it outcross by 842 00:36:17,601 --> 00:36:19,441 Speaker 4: the pop plant front. I think it's still there by 843 00:36:19,481 --> 00:36:20,480 Speaker 4: the way, that same pop plant. 844 00:36:20,601 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. How long were you there for? I was there 845 00:36:26,801 --> 00:36:31,401 Speaker 2: from nineteen nineteen nine to two on the nineties. Yeah, 846 00:36:31,561 --> 00:36:33,601 Speaker 2: I was there for just on two years or two years? 847 00:36:33,841 --> 00:36:34,441 Speaker 2: Was that a good one? 848 00:36:34,881 --> 00:36:35,161 Speaker 4: You know what? 849 00:36:35,521 --> 00:36:38,201 Speaker 3: That was my first night club gig. I remember getting 850 00:36:38,241 --> 00:36:40,521 Speaker 3: that gig because that was the club actually when I 851 00:36:40,561 --> 00:36:43,121 Speaker 3: first I got my license. That was because I used 852 00:36:43,121 --> 00:36:46,121 Speaker 3: to see it a lot walking around Dallan Alba. I 853 00:36:46,201 --> 00:36:48,561 Speaker 3: wanted the workday, and I remember when I got the 854 00:36:48,641 --> 00:36:50,481 Speaker 3: job to work that went, fuck this is cool, man, 855 00:36:50,561 --> 00:36:52,561 Speaker 3: like this is a fucking unreal because I remember the 856 00:36:52,641 --> 00:36:55,201 Speaker 3: owner at the time owned venues all over the world. 857 00:36:55,441 --> 00:36:57,801 Speaker 3: It was a franchise, and when I got the job, 858 00:36:58,121 --> 00:36:59,641 Speaker 3: I remember of going, I don't want to work on 859 00:36:59,721 --> 00:37:02,121 Speaker 3: the door and the guy who was in charge goes 860 00:37:02,161 --> 00:37:04,001 Speaker 3: to me. Fuck, you're a big guy, says, I'll have 861 00:37:04,121 --> 00:37:07,441 Speaker 3: you walking around him kicking people out. That's that's up 862 00:37:07,481 --> 00:37:07,881 Speaker 3: my alley. 863 00:37:08,001 --> 00:37:08,881 Speaker 2: You know what I mean. I'll do that. 864 00:37:09,281 --> 00:37:10,721 Speaker 3: You know, he gave me that job and then he goes, 865 00:37:11,041 --> 00:37:12,921 Speaker 3: you're good at what you do and I go, oh am. 866 00:37:12,961 --> 00:37:14,960 Speaker 3: I I said, I want you to do the drug runs. 867 00:37:15,001 --> 00:37:17,161 Speaker 3: I said what's that and he goes go around and 868 00:37:17,241 --> 00:37:19,321 Speaker 3: get the drug dealers, and I went, oh, fuck, yeah, 869 00:37:19,321 --> 00:37:19,721 Speaker 3: I'll do that. 870 00:37:20,321 --> 00:37:21,321 Speaker 2: And he goes, so what do I do? 871 00:37:21,401 --> 00:37:23,521 Speaker 3: And again, oh to you, and I go what And 872 00:37:23,561 --> 00:37:25,681 Speaker 3: I said there was no hole bad and I just go, yeah, 873 00:37:25,721 --> 00:37:27,001 Speaker 3: you go on the toys, your access to go on 874 00:37:27,041 --> 00:37:28,041 Speaker 3: the toilets and do what you want. 875 00:37:28,761 --> 00:37:30,681 Speaker 2: This is great. And I used to just look over 876 00:37:30,721 --> 00:37:31,561 Speaker 2: the fucking Cuba cules. 877 00:37:31,601 --> 00:37:34,721 Speaker 3: See the dealers going and fucking just ranched them out, 878 00:37:34,761 --> 00:37:36,081 Speaker 3: fucking and take them to the front door. 879 00:37:36,121 --> 00:37:37,401 Speaker 2: And this is fucking cooling. 880 00:37:37,961 --> 00:37:39,761 Speaker 3: And I remember the one time I got this big 881 00:37:39,841 --> 00:37:42,161 Speaker 3: hole and it was massive, like it was like, you know, 882 00:37:42,281 --> 00:37:45,921 Speaker 3: they had fucking so many TikTok boxes and cigarettes on them. 883 00:37:45,961 --> 00:37:48,281 Speaker 3: They're all in inside the cigarettes. All the other pills 884 00:37:48,361 --> 00:37:51,321 Speaker 3: and tiktoks were not tiktoks. They're all fucking pills. And 885 00:37:51,401 --> 00:37:53,161 Speaker 3: I remember just getting them and I thought, oh, I 886 00:37:53,201 --> 00:37:55,561 Speaker 3: can't chop these off. This is just too much. And 887 00:37:55,601 --> 00:37:57,881 Speaker 3: I remember like we put them all day and he goes, 888 00:37:57,921 --> 00:37:59,521 Speaker 3: what should do and he goes, I'll have to call 889 00:37:59,521 --> 00:38:01,440 Speaker 3: the cops for this one. I like, oh fuck, because 890 00:38:01,441 --> 00:38:03,241 Speaker 3: I wanted to do the mallet. Can you imagine like 891 00:38:03,321 --> 00:38:05,401 Speaker 3: there was like six or seven TikTok box full of 892 00:38:05,481 --> 00:38:06,681 Speaker 3: pills tiktoks? 893 00:38:07,561 --> 00:38:09,641 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, okay, okay. 894 00:38:10,561 --> 00:38:13,081 Speaker 2: Cigarettes with the cigarettes were empty, but they all have 895 00:38:13,161 --> 00:38:14,361 Speaker 2: pills in the cigarettes. 896 00:38:13,961 --> 00:38:17,761 Speaker 1: And tiktoks, aren't they No, this is we're talking pills. Yeah, 897 00:38:18,481 --> 00:38:18,961 Speaker 1: I don't know what. 898 00:38:20,761 --> 00:38:24,401 Speaker 3: We're talking fucking drugs here, all right. So that was 899 00:38:24,441 --> 00:38:25,961 Speaker 3: a massive hole for me. So what we used to do, 900 00:38:26,161 --> 00:38:28,401 Speaker 3: was we bring him outside. You didn't know there was 901 00:38:28,401 --> 00:38:29,801 Speaker 3: a there was a little magic we used to call 902 00:38:29,841 --> 00:38:32,161 Speaker 3: the magic garden, and we used to get a big mallet, right, 903 00:38:32,281 --> 00:38:33,681 Speaker 3: and we used to with the dealer. 904 00:38:34,001 --> 00:38:36,440 Speaker 2: We used to chop them all up so he owed 905 00:38:36,481 --> 00:38:38,721 Speaker 2: money because he hadn't sell them. But we used to 906 00:38:38,761 --> 00:38:39,481 Speaker 2: fucking make it. 907 00:38:39,481 --> 00:38:40,961 Speaker 3: And then we get him to brush them off the 908 00:38:41,041 --> 00:38:43,721 Speaker 3: wall after we crushed him, and he'd be fucking either crying, 909 00:38:43,881 --> 00:38:46,641 Speaker 3: you get people crying or going fucking hell, like that's 910 00:38:46,801 --> 00:38:47,321 Speaker 3: I've got to sell. 911 00:38:47,361 --> 00:38:49,441 Speaker 2: I've got to make money. But the dealers didn't give 912 00:38:49,481 --> 00:38:50,601 Speaker 2: a fuck with this one. 913 00:38:50,641 --> 00:38:51,761 Speaker 3: I looked at it and go, whoa, this is a 914 00:38:51,841 --> 00:38:54,241 Speaker 3: big hole man, Like fuck, imagine doing this one in 915 00:38:54,281 --> 00:38:56,921 Speaker 3: front of the fucking guy. He fucking commits suicide, you 916 00:38:56,961 --> 00:38:58,881 Speaker 3: know what I mean. And I just went fuck And 917 00:38:59,041 --> 00:39:01,681 Speaker 3: then we didn't got the cobs involved because it was 918 00:39:01,721 --> 00:39:03,401 Speaker 3: a massive hole. But I used to love that place. 919 00:39:03,721 --> 00:39:06,281 Speaker 3: I used to love group night club home like club. 920 00:39:07,001 --> 00:39:08,641 Speaker 3: It was one of the best. VEN used to work 921 00:39:08,681 --> 00:39:12,921 Speaker 3: at it. Yeah, still going, still going, but like I remember, 922 00:39:13,041 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 3: like you know, I didn't really like every Sublime on Friday. 923 00:39:17,001 --> 00:39:18,001 Speaker 2: I love it, you know what? 924 00:39:18,041 --> 00:39:19,961 Speaker 3: I mean, and that's where I used to get in 925 00:39:20,321 --> 00:39:22,961 Speaker 3: loving that that kind of music, high energy, because I 926 00:39:23,081 --> 00:39:23,881 Speaker 3: wasn't really into it. 927 00:39:24,481 --> 00:39:27,601 Speaker 2: But then every Friday you just go fuck. You'd hear 928 00:39:27,681 --> 00:39:29,121 Speaker 2: that beat again and you just go fuck. 929 00:39:29,121 --> 00:39:30,521 Speaker 3: I like this song and you got to like it, 930 00:39:31,001 --> 00:39:32,641 Speaker 3: and then you got to I was never a dance 931 00:39:32,761 --> 00:39:34,841 Speaker 3: like them, Like, I could never dance like fucking high energy, 932 00:39:34,921 --> 00:39:37,361 Speaker 3: but I used to admire how they used to fucking 933 00:39:37,441 --> 00:39:40,121 Speaker 3: dance to this and even watching you know, he we 934 00:39:40,321 --> 00:39:42,001 Speaker 3: fucking on the on the decks and all like that. 935 00:39:42,161 --> 00:39:44,081 Speaker 3: And but then, as I said, they used to come 936 00:39:44,081 --> 00:39:45,961 Speaker 3: to DC's a lot to see what we were doing. 937 00:39:46,361 --> 00:39:48,201 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they used to check us out every Saturday 938 00:39:48,281 --> 00:39:50,521 Speaker 3: night when I used to work down there. But the 939 00:39:50,561 --> 00:39:51,440 Speaker 3: whole night club was good. 940 00:39:51,841 --> 00:39:55,041 Speaker 5: Yeah, I've just got some boring questions. 941 00:39:55,121 --> 00:39:56,921 Speaker 1: Now, what's your favorite food? 942 00:39:57,401 --> 00:40:02,161 Speaker 2: What's my favorite food? Chicken and rice? 943 00:40:02,841 --> 00:40:03,081 Speaker 1: Really? 944 00:40:03,321 --> 00:40:05,521 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love chicken and rice. That sounds that's imporing, 945 00:40:05,601 --> 00:40:09,161 Speaker 2: So that's what I love. I love chicken and rice. 946 00:40:11,321 --> 00:40:15,361 Speaker 4: How many guys heads ricking your cut the mullets that 947 00:40:15,441 --> 00:40:17,201 Speaker 4: everyone used to have trying to get into this? So 948 00:40:17,401 --> 00:40:20,401 Speaker 4: look I've got I've got because everyone's gonna anyone's watching 949 00:40:20,401 --> 00:40:20,961 Speaker 4: is gonna have a laugh. 950 00:40:22,001 --> 00:40:26,641 Speaker 3: I do remember. I do remember having in the power 951 00:40:26,841 --> 00:40:30,121 Speaker 3: power box as you walk in. I remember having six 952 00:40:30,481 --> 00:40:33,441 Speaker 3: mullets in there because I used to keep them as 953 00:40:33,441 --> 00:40:36,001 Speaker 3: a trophy, so I know, yeah, so I used to 954 00:40:36,001 --> 00:40:37,921 Speaker 3: put so I kept them there. I remember I had 955 00:40:37,961 --> 00:40:39,321 Speaker 3: six at a time there. I remember, but I had 956 00:40:39,361 --> 00:40:41,601 Speaker 3: to get rythm because it was getting like disgusting, like 957 00:40:41,721 --> 00:40:43,441 Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like I was keeping people's. 958 00:40:43,161 --> 00:40:44,641 Speaker 2: Here and there, but I used to when I used 959 00:40:44,641 --> 00:40:45,921 Speaker 2: to open it, people you go, what the is that 960 00:40:46,081 --> 00:40:47,641 Speaker 2: I got? People say, man, I used to cut the 961 00:40:47,721 --> 00:40:50,441 Speaker 2: hairs were just on the on the on the ledge. 962 00:40:50,521 --> 00:40:54,681 Speaker 3: Where I used to go used to because in like 963 00:40:54,721 --> 00:40:57,641 Speaker 3: fucking mullets or sucking the rat tails. If you want 964 00:40:57,681 --> 00:41:00,841 Speaker 3: to come into d C's, well that's how much they 965 00:41:00,881 --> 00:41:03,241 Speaker 3: wanted to get in there. People will grow there sucking 966 00:41:03,521 --> 00:41:06,361 Speaker 3: like their mullets or the rat tails for fucking ten years. Wow. 967 00:41:06,601 --> 00:41:06,761 Speaker 1: I know. 968 00:41:06,961 --> 00:41:08,521 Speaker 3: This guy was like he came in, he goes, I've 969 00:41:08,521 --> 00:41:10,001 Speaker 3: been growing this for ten years. I said, well, bro, 970 00:41:10,161 --> 00:41:12,001 Speaker 3: what's it worth? Do you want to go up to 971 00:41:12,081 --> 00:41:13,521 Speaker 3: them stairs that you've never been in or do you 972 00:41:13,561 --> 00:41:15,521 Speaker 3: want to stay down and keep wishing you could go up. 973 00:41:15,801 --> 00:41:17,401 Speaker 3: I said, you know that you can always grow it back, 974 00:41:17,801 --> 00:41:19,921 Speaker 3: but I can keep saying no to you, and he goes, 975 00:41:20,041 --> 00:41:21,841 Speaker 3: fuck fuck. I said, how are you going to do it? 976 00:41:22,161 --> 00:41:24,441 Speaker 3: And I went to the Oh god, this is already Bro. 977 00:41:24,801 --> 00:41:26,961 Speaker 3: We could and I got to it and I could 978 00:41:27,001 --> 00:41:28,281 Speaker 3: go up. I said, you can get him for free. Bro, 979 00:41:28,441 --> 00:41:32,001 Speaker 3: just for that, Wow, probably didn't regret it. 980 00:41:34,481 --> 00:41:36,121 Speaker 1: What parts of the world have you travel to that 981 00:41:36,241 --> 00:41:36,961 Speaker 1: you've enjoyed. 982 00:41:38,361 --> 00:41:42,121 Speaker 2: I loved America Florida. Florida was nice. Austria. I loved 983 00:41:42,121 --> 00:41:43,561 Speaker 2: Aushia because I used to go skiing there a lot. 984 00:41:43,801 --> 00:41:48,761 Speaker 2: New YORKA YORKA, I'd be fair. Yeah. 985 00:41:49,161 --> 00:41:51,641 Speaker 3: My favorite place was probably ten of Reef. It's an 986 00:41:51,681 --> 00:41:56,921 Speaker 3: island just off Spaining, Morocca. That's probably my favorite. Have 987 00:41:57,041 --> 00:42:00,681 Speaker 3: you done any work that's over straight security wise? I 988 00:42:00,761 --> 00:42:02,241 Speaker 3: used to work on my dad's door, so I used 989 00:42:02,241 --> 00:42:04,281 Speaker 3: to every time I used to go back for a holiday. 990 00:42:04,321 --> 00:42:05,761 Speaker 3: For like two or three, I used to work on 991 00:42:05,841 --> 00:42:09,241 Speaker 3: the door of his nightclub. I wasn't light doing that 992 00:42:09,321 --> 00:42:12,281 Speaker 3: because they were dormant news and I knew it wasn't light, 993 00:42:12,361 --> 00:42:13,441 Speaker 3: so I didn't really enjoy it. 994 00:42:14,281 --> 00:42:14,641 Speaker 2: But yeah. 995 00:42:14,681 --> 00:42:17,321 Speaker 3: That's the only place I've actually done security was Onest clubs. 996 00:42:17,601 --> 00:42:20,921 Speaker 2: That's it. Dream car, my dream car. 997 00:42:21,441 --> 00:42:23,921 Speaker 3: I'm not really into cars, you know. I own know 998 00:42:23,961 --> 00:42:26,241 Speaker 3: a range Rover, but I'm not really into cars. It's 999 00:42:26,361 --> 00:42:27,601 Speaker 3: never been a thing for me, you know. I mean, 1000 00:42:27,641 --> 00:42:31,201 Speaker 3: I couldn't be bothered. If it gets me, I'm happy. Yeah, 1001 00:42:31,601 --> 00:42:34,201 Speaker 3: I'm not flashing the pain. Ye, other than the gym 1002 00:42:35,041 --> 00:42:38,321 Speaker 3: any other hobbies. But any other hobbies. But I like 1003 00:42:38,361 --> 00:42:39,841 Speaker 3: my soccer. I like playing golf. 1004 00:42:41,081 --> 00:42:44,001 Speaker 2: It relaxes me. I've just tried. 1005 00:42:44,761 --> 00:42:47,361 Speaker 3: I've been playing tennis lately with alex Ka, which he 1006 00:42:47,481 --> 00:42:50,761 Speaker 3: wanted my ass in. But other than that, No, I 1007 00:42:50,881 --> 00:42:53,121 Speaker 3: used to read a lot, but then I stopped. But 1008 00:42:53,241 --> 00:42:56,281 Speaker 3: I like to go for walks. I just go for walks. 1009 00:42:56,321 --> 00:42:58,721 Speaker 3: It's a good headspace for me. But that's about it. 1010 00:42:59,041 --> 00:43:02,761 Speaker 3: As as fair hobbies. It's mostly play golf, that's it. 1011 00:43:03,361 --> 00:43:04,281 Speaker 3: It seems my main thing. 1012 00:43:05,201 --> 00:43:06,161 Speaker 1: Very sporty at school. 1013 00:43:06,521 --> 00:43:08,761 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was very sporty at school. Yeah, but at 1014 00:43:08,801 --> 00:43:10,521 Speaker 2: the end of the day, all I did, all I 1015 00:43:10,601 --> 00:43:12,321 Speaker 2: wanted to be was a soccer player. That's all I did. 1016 00:43:12,441 --> 00:43:15,161 Speaker 2: So yeah, it's a good put cross country too. 1017 00:43:15,201 --> 00:43:15,361 Speaker 4: I was. 1018 00:43:15,521 --> 00:43:18,201 Speaker 2: I was into long distance from the What's Next for 1019 00:43:18,241 --> 00:43:19,721 Speaker 2: the Future any other planes. 1020 00:43:19,801 --> 00:43:22,321 Speaker 3: I think the podcast What's Next for the Future, My 1021 00:43:22,441 --> 00:43:25,321 Speaker 3: podcast is my main thing. My goal was when I 1022 00:43:25,361 --> 00:43:27,761 Speaker 3: started this, it was a five year goal and it 1023 00:43:27,841 --> 00:43:30,520 Speaker 3: was to make it like the Australian version of Joe Rogan, 1024 00:43:30,721 --> 00:43:31,161 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. 1025 00:43:31,241 --> 00:43:31,881 Speaker 2: And that's my goal. 1026 00:43:32,321 --> 00:43:34,721 Speaker 3: I think I'm getting it slowly. It's his America now 1027 00:43:35,361 --> 00:43:37,281 Speaker 3: and they're liking it. And I'm starting to get a 1028 00:43:37,321 --> 00:43:40,801 Speaker 3: lot of guests from America now who are willing to 1029 00:43:40,841 --> 00:43:42,561 Speaker 3: come on, and they're asking to come on me. I'm 1030 00:43:42,601 --> 00:43:45,480 Speaker 3: not reaching out to them, they're seeing it. And plus, 1031 00:43:45,721 --> 00:43:49,201 Speaker 3: you know my new YouTube channel that's coming out next month, 1032 00:43:49,241 --> 00:43:51,001 Speaker 3: which is on the Roads with the Muscle. So I'm 1033 00:43:51,001 --> 00:43:53,001 Speaker 3: going to be going around the whole of Australia doing stuff, 1034 00:43:54,001 --> 00:43:57,081 Speaker 3: spending time with people and showing them, you know, every day, 1035 00:43:57,441 --> 00:43:59,681 Speaker 3: what they get up to, you know, in twenty four hours, 1036 00:43:59,721 --> 00:44:02,201 Speaker 3: eight hours or whatever. I'm really looking forward to that. 1037 00:44:02,281 --> 00:44:04,241 Speaker 3: I've got a new book coming out soon, which is 1038 00:44:04,721 --> 00:44:09,121 Speaker 3: an cut version and an extended version of my first book. 1039 00:44:09,921 --> 00:44:12,881 Speaker 3: Besides that, I did want to do radio. I did 1040 00:44:12,961 --> 00:44:14,721 Speaker 3: want to get my own radio show. Maybe I can 1041 00:44:14,761 --> 00:44:18,041 Speaker 3: get it now because cal sandlines off, so maybe I 1042 00:44:18,041 --> 00:44:20,801 Speaker 3: can get his position. But as for that, I'd love 1043 00:44:20,841 --> 00:44:22,721 Speaker 3: to do TV. I would love to do TV. I 1044 00:44:22,761 --> 00:44:25,401 Speaker 3: always wanted to be Actually, it's funny. I always wanted 1045 00:44:25,441 --> 00:44:27,921 Speaker 3: to be a wrestler, but I never thought it was big. 1046 00:44:27,841 --> 00:44:32,521 Speaker 2: Enough, nons big enough to be a wrestler. But you know, 1047 00:44:33,121 --> 00:44:34,801 Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe something like that in the future. 1048 00:44:34,841 --> 00:44:36,121 Speaker 2: I don't know, we'll see. 1049 00:44:36,721 --> 00:44:37,921 Speaker 1: I don't think I've got any more. 1050 00:44:39,401 --> 00:44:41,281 Speaker 2: I think I think the last couple had to just 1051 00:44:41,401 --> 00:44:45,440 Speaker 2: quickly think. I'm happy with that. I'm happy with Thank 1052 00:44:45,441 --> 00:44:48,041 Speaker 2: you so much for coming in. I answer all your questions, 1053 00:44:48,041 --> 00:44:52,361 Speaker 2: all right, Yeah, I loved it. Good see after Yeah, 1054 00:44:52,401 --> 00:44:53,601 Speaker 2: a long time, but thank you. 1055 00:44:54,321 --> 00:44:56,201 Speaker 1: I probably went in there underage. Anyway. 1056 00:44:58,721 --> 00:45:02,441 Speaker 2: He remembered everyone. He would remember someone from six months ago. 1057 00:45:02,481 --> 00:45:07,801 Speaker 4: I remember you, no matter how you could remember someone 1058 00:45:07,841 --> 00:45:11,921 Speaker 4: six months I was always faces for me. 1059 00:45:12,121 --> 00:45:15,161 Speaker 2: Was there was the thing. Names wasn't good, but faces 1060 00:45:15,441 --> 00:45:16,441 Speaker 2: that was the job. You know what I mean. 1061 00:45:16,521 --> 00:45:18,641 Speaker 3: It's not even not even for being on the door, 1062 00:45:19,841 --> 00:45:21,921 Speaker 3: like coppers used to ask me, how do you know 1063 00:45:22,001 --> 00:45:24,841 Speaker 3: what happened? But the thing is I scan everywhere, you 1064 00:45:24,881 --> 00:45:27,281 Speaker 3: know what I mean, even when there was a certain 1065 00:45:27,321 --> 00:45:30,521 Speaker 3: car went past once for for the Havana because they 1066 00:45:30,561 --> 00:45:32,241 Speaker 3: were going to do a drive by havanah once and 1067 00:45:32,441 --> 00:45:34,841 Speaker 3: I remember seeing this car and they said, how can 1068 00:45:34,881 --> 00:45:36,721 Speaker 3: you pick that car up? But I said, because I 1069 00:45:36,801 --> 00:45:38,641 Speaker 3: scan it. I says that do you think I'm just 1070 00:45:38,681 --> 00:45:41,521 Speaker 3: scanning people? I'm scanning the cars. How many times that 1071 00:45:41,601 --> 00:45:43,241 Speaker 3: comes to doing laps? Why is that car doing so 1072 00:45:43,281 --> 00:45:43,721 Speaker 3: many laps? 1073 00:45:43,761 --> 00:45:43,801 Speaker 4: For? 1074 00:45:44,281 --> 00:45:45,561 Speaker 2: Why is that car parking over there? 1075 00:45:45,601 --> 00:45:45,641 Speaker 5: For? 1076 00:45:45,801 --> 00:45:48,241 Speaker 2: You know what I mean? I scanned everything else light, 1077 00:45:48,761 --> 00:45:51,641 Speaker 2: you know. I was always even when. 1078 00:45:51,561 --> 00:45:53,401 Speaker 3: I used to walk with John, Like sometimes John, you 1079 00:45:53,441 --> 00:45:55,121 Speaker 3: would tell me off and go like why aren't you 1080 00:45:55,201 --> 00:45:55,641 Speaker 3: walking here? 1081 00:45:55,761 --> 00:45:56,201 Speaker 2: Like come here? 1082 00:45:56,481 --> 00:45:58,921 Speaker 3: I used to like to stand back to watch, you 1083 00:45:59,001 --> 00:46:00,440 Speaker 3: know what I mean because the end of the day, 1084 00:46:01,001 --> 00:46:03,081 Speaker 3: it's not that I didn't trouble, Okay, I didn't trust 1085 00:46:03,121 --> 00:46:05,401 Speaker 3: some people in our in our circle, they were doing 1086 00:46:05,441 --> 00:46:08,961 Speaker 3: their job properly. So I'd go back to see if 1087 00:46:09,001 --> 00:46:12,081 Speaker 3: everyone's actually doing their job properly. Because when you're walking 1088 00:46:12,121 --> 00:46:14,681 Speaker 3: with someone who's watching, who's going to come behind us? 1089 00:46:15,121 --> 00:46:16,641 Speaker 3: So that's why I used to drop back and watch 1090 00:46:16,681 --> 00:46:19,081 Speaker 3: the whole group walk and then you know, sometimes you go, 1091 00:46:19,641 --> 00:46:20,241 Speaker 3: can you get here? 1092 00:46:20,321 --> 00:46:22,441 Speaker 2: But I didn't want to because someone's to watch from 1093 00:46:22,481 --> 00:46:24,401 Speaker 2: the back. Yeah, that's just my persona. 1094 00:46:24,601 --> 00:46:26,681 Speaker 3: As I said to you when I was before I 1095 00:46:26,721 --> 00:46:28,881 Speaker 3: got my license, when I went to want to be 1096 00:46:28,961 --> 00:46:32,081 Speaker 3: a security guard, my goal was I didn't know John, 1097 00:46:32,121 --> 00:46:34,641 Speaker 3: then to be a bodyguard for a high profile person. 1098 00:46:35,081 --> 00:46:36,681 Speaker 2: I knew I could do it, you know what I mean. 1099 00:46:36,761 --> 00:46:39,561 Speaker 3: And I'd watched so many bodyguard fucking movies, you know, 1100 00:46:39,801 --> 00:46:40,921 Speaker 3: and I was I was like, I want to be 1101 00:46:40,961 --> 00:46:43,480 Speaker 3: that person. So I made sure. And that's why people 1102 00:46:43,481 --> 00:46:45,161 Speaker 3: would go Neil. You never smiled, You've never done this, 1103 00:46:45,241 --> 00:46:47,361 Speaker 3: You never talked. But the thing is, I was in 1104 00:46:47,601 --> 00:46:49,281 Speaker 3: work mode, you know what I mean, because the end 1105 00:46:49,281 --> 00:46:51,401 Speaker 3: of the day, not not saying anything with that happened 1106 00:46:51,401 --> 00:46:51,721 Speaker 3: to John. 1107 00:46:51,761 --> 00:46:53,641 Speaker 2: But if it did, it's it's on my shift. 1108 00:46:53,801 --> 00:46:56,121 Speaker 3: Then I look bad or if I'm doing anything, even 1109 00:46:56,161 --> 00:46:57,681 Speaker 3: with cal Sandlands when I used to look after him, 1110 00:46:57,721 --> 00:46:59,921 Speaker 3: you know, I had to be on persona to make sure. 1111 00:47:00,321 --> 00:47:03,041 Speaker 3: You know, people go past Neil. I'dn't ignore them, even 1112 00:47:03,041 --> 00:47:04,440 Speaker 3: though I've been friends with him for ten years. I'd 1113 00:47:04,441 --> 00:47:06,281 Speaker 3: push them away because I could just go like that 1114 00:47:06,361 --> 00:47:09,441 Speaker 3: and then something happens to him. But I'm fuck a 1115 00:47:09,481 --> 00:47:14,681 Speaker 3: lot of pressure, a lot of pressure. Interesting. Interesting, that's okay. 1116 00:47:15,321 --> 00:47:18,361 Speaker 3: You are a different person. I can smile now, I 1117 00:47:18,441 --> 00:47:21,081 Speaker 3: can enjoy myself. I can don't have to look back, 1118 00:47:21,161 --> 00:47:22,601 Speaker 3: you know what I mean, over my shoulder anymore. 1119 00:47:22,641 --> 00:47:23,041 Speaker 2: You know what I mean? 1120 00:47:23,081 --> 00:47:24,641 Speaker 3: As I said, the only people I've got the fucking 1121 00:47:24,681 --> 00:47:27,041 Speaker 3: haters who don't like me to succeed on this. 1122 00:47:27,681 --> 00:47:29,361 Speaker 2: That's it, you know what I mean. And everyone gets 1123 00:47:29,361 --> 00:47:29,801 Speaker 2: to the haters. 1124 00:47:29,841 --> 00:47:32,321 Speaker 3: But it's just that I've got haters on here that 1125 00:47:32,481 --> 00:47:35,561 Speaker 3: make me think that I actually didn't do this because 1126 00:47:35,601 --> 00:47:37,681 Speaker 3: they drilled me. They drilled me. They drilled me, even 1127 00:47:37,721 --> 00:47:39,961 Speaker 3: though they never they don't know my life. They get 1128 00:47:40,001 --> 00:47:42,241 Speaker 3: into my head and make me think did I actually 1129 00:47:42,321 --> 00:47:43,000 Speaker 3: do that with John? 1130 00:47:43,321 --> 00:47:45,641 Speaker 2: But I know it did. But because they drilled me 1131 00:47:45,721 --> 00:47:50,961 Speaker 2: so much, I second question myself. But they've got to 1132 00:47:51,121 --> 00:47:52,881 Speaker 2: live with that. That's one more thing. 1133 00:47:53,001 --> 00:47:56,041 Speaker 4: Yeah, would you have a sort of like a teacher, 1134 00:47:56,121 --> 00:47:58,201 Speaker 4: but just for youth, for example, just the young ki 1135 00:47:58,281 --> 00:48:01,241 Speaker 4: do go to places and tell them how I would, 1136 00:48:01,441 --> 00:48:04,241 Speaker 4: but not that you don't have to tell them everything, 1137 00:48:04,281 --> 00:48:06,561 Speaker 4: but just based on your experience and what they'll see, 1138 00:48:06,921 --> 00:48:08,321 Speaker 4: what they you know, you. 1139 00:48:08,321 --> 00:48:09,601 Speaker 3: Know, I don't do it because I feel like I 1140 00:48:09,681 --> 00:48:12,761 Speaker 3: haven't done it. I'm a nobody, so I don't do it, 1141 00:48:13,161 --> 00:48:14,841 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. There's you know, I've seen 1142 00:48:14,961 --> 00:48:16,361 Speaker 3: a lot of people I know who are doing that, 1143 00:48:17,081 --> 00:48:18,841 Speaker 3: and I feel, yeah, they let them go and do it. 1144 00:48:18,921 --> 00:48:21,081 Speaker 3: You know, you're an ex bikey, you've been in jail. Okay, 1145 00:48:21,121 --> 00:48:22,841 Speaker 3: go and tell them your story whatever and tell them. 1146 00:48:23,521 --> 00:48:24,881 Speaker 3: And they asked me to come and do it, And 1147 00:48:24,961 --> 00:48:26,481 Speaker 3: I think, why would they want to listen to me. 1148 00:48:26,521 --> 00:48:27,121 Speaker 2: For what have I done? 1149 00:48:27,241 --> 00:48:27,361 Speaker 4: Well? 1150 00:48:27,401 --> 00:48:29,721 Speaker 5: I think because you've experienced it and how you felt. 1151 00:48:29,761 --> 00:48:32,001 Speaker 5: I think, you know with mental health and how you 1152 00:48:32,081 --> 00:48:32,601 Speaker 5: wanted to make it. 1153 00:48:32,681 --> 00:48:34,841 Speaker 2: But I question what I've done. You know what I've 1154 00:48:34,881 --> 00:48:37,081 Speaker 2: been in jail. I've not shot anybody. I've not been 1155 00:48:37,121 --> 00:48:38,081 Speaker 2: a biking yet. 1156 00:48:38,081 --> 00:48:40,440 Speaker 3: I've looked after what I've done, but I just feel 1157 00:48:40,481 --> 00:48:42,721 Speaker 3: like I'm a nobody, you know what I mean. I 1158 00:48:42,841 --> 00:48:45,281 Speaker 3: had a great job looking after somebody who was high profile, 1159 00:48:45,681 --> 00:48:48,801 Speaker 3: his family or high profile. But you know, the other 1160 00:48:48,841 --> 00:48:50,881 Speaker 3: people who've been in jail shot somebody or done drug 1161 00:48:50,921 --> 00:48:51,921 Speaker 3: dealing and whatever they've done. 1162 00:48:51,961 --> 00:48:54,601 Speaker 2: I've not done that, So I doubt myself. But they'd 1163 00:48:54,641 --> 00:48:55,321 Speaker 2: want to listen to me. 1164 00:48:55,881 --> 00:48:57,721 Speaker 1: So that's probably they would want to listen to you. 1165 00:48:57,841 --> 00:48:58,440 Speaker 2: That's probably they. 1166 00:48:58,401 --> 00:49:00,801 Speaker 4: Would want to listen to you because you've you survived, 1167 00:49:01,041 --> 00:49:03,081 Speaker 4: you didn't get locked up, You've done a lot. 1168 00:49:03,601 --> 00:49:05,761 Speaker 2: So for a lot, like you said, a lot of 1169 00:49:05,801 --> 00:49:06,281 Speaker 2: it's cool. 1170 00:49:06,601 --> 00:49:08,761 Speaker 4: But they sit down with you and you explain everything, 1171 00:49:08,801 --> 00:49:11,440 Speaker 4: what's what you've gone through, I don't think they'll find 1172 00:49:11,481 --> 00:49:13,401 Speaker 4: it as cool as by the end of it. 1173 00:49:13,601 --> 00:49:16,441 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, so just something to consider. 1174 00:49:18,881 --> 00:49:21,801 Speaker 3: But anyway, that's why I bring out the podcast, That's 1175 00:49:21,801 --> 00:49:23,481 Speaker 3: why I do my book, and then you know, instead 1176 00:49:23,481 --> 00:49:25,041 Speaker 3: of me going somewhere to talk to them, you know 1177 00:49:25,081 --> 00:49:26,480 Speaker 3: what I mean, and it's it's better. 1178 00:49:26,601 --> 00:49:28,561 Speaker 2: But I just think no one wants to listen to me. 1179 00:49:29,121 --> 00:49:30,601 Speaker 3: I mean, that's why I stopped talking about myself on 1180 00:49:30,681 --> 00:49:32,561 Speaker 3: my podcast, because I thought, no one wants to listen 1181 00:49:32,601 --> 00:49:32,721 Speaker 3: to me. 1182 00:49:32,761 --> 00:49:34,121 Speaker 2: No more, no one wants to know my story. 1183 00:49:34,561 --> 00:49:37,041 Speaker 3: I was happy doing it, but then I stopped because 1184 00:49:37,041 --> 00:49:39,161 Speaker 3: I was getting a few people going, who the fuck 1185 00:49:39,201 --> 00:49:39,761 Speaker 3: do you think you are? 1186 00:49:40,441 --> 00:49:42,521 Speaker 2: Oh? Fuck this? You know you're a nobody. So I went, well, 1187 00:49:42,601 --> 00:49:44,801 Speaker 2: you know what, let's just stop that. Now. I've had 1188 00:49:44,881 --> 00:49:47,321 Speaker 2: enough of the cross my life that's just gone over 1189 00:49:47,401 --> 00:49:49,761 Speaker 2: people's life. Let's just go that way. Now that's what 1190 00:49:49,881 --> 00:49:53,361 Speaker 2: I did. Good stuff. Thank you for coming, thank you, 1191 00:49:53,601 --> 00:49:53,881 Speaker 2: thank you,