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Speaker 1: Approache Production. Welcome to Secrets of the Underworld. I am

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Speaker 1: Neil the Muscle Commons and in this episode I speak

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Speaker 1: about the life of the late motocross freestyle legend Jaya

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Speaker 1: Archer with his brother Ryan and his wife Beth.

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Speaker 2: But at nine years of age. Back then, they didn't

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Speaker 2: have airbags. They had phone pits basically a tennis court

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Speaker 2: full of old farm and tires. And he was nine

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Speaker 2: years of age on smaller bikes back for being into

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Speaker 2: a phone pitch. Then it was ben and handlebars. Even

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Speaker 2: when he wasn't passion. Even Pastrana, Travis Pastana didn't really

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Speaker 2: think I heard that was and then when he saw

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Speaker 2: it was literally Ben and brandy bars just in the force.

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Speaker 3: We know that the last thing he remembered was what

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Speaker 3: he absolutely loved.

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Speaker 2: In his Instagram video, he actually says, where did they

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Speaker 2: when they go? Do one? First go? Because we were

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Speaker 2: a good time in a long time.

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Speaker 1: So we'll start off probably with you ran to tell

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Speaker 1: me about you know, you and Jay growing up together

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Speaker 1: as brothers. You know what you used to get up

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Speaker 1: to before anything else about bikes and all like that.

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Speaker 1: What he was like as a person.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I Jaden moved to Melbourne when he was seven.

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Speaker 2: So when he was young with normal brothers, you know,

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Speaker 2: we had a good childhood and got into the bikes.

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Speaker 2: He got into bikes quite early. I was about thirteen

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Speaker 2: or something like that. Yeah, we moved around a little bit.

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Speaker 2: We went up down the coast for a bit on

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Speaker 2: he moved to Melbourne. Parents put up. He moved to

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Speaker 2: Melbourne when he was seven. So you know, looking back

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Speaker 2: at it, I actually missed out on a lot of that,

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Speaker 2: but in a way it made us give us a

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Speaker 2: different bond. You know, I've got an older sister, Carlie,

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Speaker 2: so they were super close. You know, she was like

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Speaker 2: her mum's working flat out when they moved down there,

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Speaker 2: and she was like the the second mother sort of things.

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Speaker 2: We have very different memories from that. So I missed

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Speaker 2: a big chunk of his when he was a kid.

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Speaker 2: School life and that sort of stuff. But he played footy.

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Speaker 2: Fucking good footy player at a young age. So when

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Speaker 2: we were young like that, yeah, we were just good brothers.

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Speaker 2: Used to knock around the backyard playing footy, to ride

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Speaker 2: and by that sort of stuff. And then I actually

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Speaker 2: did miss a big chunk of it, which I look

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Speaker 2: back at now and it's hard to say I regret

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Speaker 2: it like I do, But that was the right.

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Speaker 1: How would you meet up with him? Was it being holidays,

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Speaker 1: school holidays or something like that, or.

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Speaker 2: My old man actually used to fly Jaden up to

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Speaker 2: Sydney to play footy each week and to ride the bikes.

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Speaker 2: Very hard for Mom trying to manage the motorbikes sitting

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Speaker 2: you know, putting a little seven year old on a

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Speaker 2: saying that, but that was you know, we were still

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Speaker 2: we still enjoyed that time.

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Speaker 1: Was that as dreams a bit? His main goals as

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Speaker 2: Yeah? From pretty young. I loved his footy as well,

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Speaker 2: but it was pretty evident to see with his skill

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Speaker 1: Who's who's the one who actually pushed him to be

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Speaker 2: It was just my man was into and he has

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Speaker 2: a hobby sort of in you nothing, nothing serious, but

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Speaker 2: I think that was what drove us there. Obviously, Mom

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Speaker 2: to go. It was just a fun thing, you know.

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Speaker 2: That's what we did as a family when we were younger.

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Speaker 2: Every weekend was spent footy and then going away to

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Speaker 2: pretty much what took off to where he got by

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, what was he when he actually like well, okay,

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Speaker 1: the bike's his main concern now and that's what he's

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Speaker 1: How old was he Well, I mean so he raced.

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Speaker 2: He raced when he was when he was younger, probably

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Speaker 2: up until around I think he left school in year eight.

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Speaker 2: That's when it was sort of like, this is what

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Speaker 2: he's going to do. I mean, we sort of knew

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Speaker 2: he had a lot of potential. A lot of other

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Speaker 2: were never pushy with our whole family, supportive, but you

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Speaker 2: but it was more other people that said, this kid's

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Speaker 2: going to got a lot of potentially. Originally it was

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Speaker 2: We're motocross racing as opposed to the freestyle which you

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Speaker 2: later ended up doing. And that was yeah, up until

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Speaker 2: a normal thing, you know, But isn't it expensive sport

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Speaker 2: for him to do?

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Speaker 1: Starting off?

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Speaker 2: Is it very expensive? The racing side of thing is

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Speaker 2: very expensive. Now you're traveling around every weekend in the

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Speaker 2: be competitive and maintaining things. And it's not just weekends.

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Speaker 2: You're doing stuff during the week. You're trying to practice

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Speaker 2: practicing a couple of times a week. And you know,

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Speaker 2: when mum was on our own, like getting him the

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Speaker 1: It's full on. Did he stack a place a lot

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Speaker 2: But even like a point to mention as well, which

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Speaker 2: I reckon plays a big role in how Brazilian he

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Speaker 2: fucking was and mentally tough. Like I think at one stage,

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Speaker 2: you've been to a new school every year. So he

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Speaker 2: to seven different schools or something, you know, always moving

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Speaker 2: He didn't miss a beat, you know, so that probably

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Speaker 2: paved the way of how Brazilian he was and change

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Speaker 2: like he was seven when he first went down there,

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Speaker 2: his mates were fucking in their late twenties. That's literally

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Speaker 2: like some of the closest people who who were still

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Speaker 2: They were bolks who was there when he was a seven,

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Speaker 2: eight nine year old kids?

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Speaker 1: Was that the only job he's ever done, That's the

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Speaker 1: only kind of work he's ever done. What kind of

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Speaker 3: You think about everything? So how long have you known

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Speaker 3: before I was about nineteen, so he would have been

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Speaker 3: twenty three. Okay, so we were together for about six years,

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Speaker 3: and I knew of him for a long time, like

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Speaker 3: he knew my dad for a while before that, because

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Speaker 3: my family was not to his level, but grew up

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Speaker 1: What do you mean not to his level?

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Speaker 3: Well, he was good at everything he did. If he raced,

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Speaker 3: he was greater than if he did freestyle, was amazing

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Speaker 3: natro stuff, he was a suspension technician and he was

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I read that. I've seen that. I was thinking,

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Speaker 1: like when he's done a lot of things that like

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Speaker 2: Like well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well I guess we'll get to that.

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Speaker 3: But when he kind of gave up, Yeah, he gave

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Speaker 3: the freestyle. But for a long time he was really

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Speaker 3: pushing the limits and he didn't really have the financial

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Speaker 3: going to give him time off for competitions. If he

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Speaker 3: he could go brick laying, laboring all the civil construction works.

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Speaker 3: Funny stories when he got put in a poof farm

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Speaker 3: and he and that day he was texting Travis for

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Speaker 3: Shana and he said that stuff this already a fee.

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Speaker 3: There's some stories, but anything he could do he would.

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Speaker 3: People would say, what are you doing that for? You

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Speaker 1: I don't care.

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Speaker 3: It was times he was working three jobs.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: There was times in Gold Coast where he would do

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Speaker 3: a chippy labor finish there, go to the suspension place,

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Speaker 3: do the suspension for a race team, clean the truck,

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Speaker 3: clean the bikes, get them all loaded. He come home

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Speaker 1: Was it hard to get sponsors for that kind of sport?

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Speaker 1: Would you have to make a name first before we

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Speaker 1: Suld never make sense.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't make sense. But I also think there's

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Speaker 3: a lot of the sport's not what it used to be.

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Speaker 3: You know, when he was a kid, Like what Ryan

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Speaker 3: the youngest kid person to do a backflip and.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen that, the youngest in the world to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so he was always en up and comer. He

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Speaker 3: in those days it was crusty demons and there was

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Speaker 3: a lot more money in the sport. And I think even.

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Speaker 1: Because if it's in Australia, if it had been somewhere else,

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Speaker 2: Before he got into it, when like some of the

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Speaker 2: in their prime, there was a lot of money around. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: doing like elite tricksps back then there was a handful

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Speaker 2: of people doing them. There was big money for doing

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Speaker 2: those sorts of things. It's just seemed that there wasn't

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Speaker 2: enough to give back for where the limits were getting pushed.

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Speaker 2: There was nothing. I mean, had he put a price

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like you're doing something that dangerous, but

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Speaker 1: you're not getting paid well and afford it. Yeah, And

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Speaker 1: like back to the ship jobs, he had.

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Speaker 2: That was the fund, you know, because there's a battle

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Speaker 2: then how do you fund that? So the more you're working,

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Speaker 2: the less you're progressing, the more you're trying to fucking roll.

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Speaker 2: Where's your money coming from you? So that was a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he would say, I love this shit. It makes

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Speaker 1: But you're doing these you're doing these like he was

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Speaker 1: Would then smaller business keep you here. Yeah, but the bigger,

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Speaker 2: But he had his fucking goals And would.

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Speaker 1: You go to every show?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there was no and that was wherever that took us.

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Speaker 1: So how many time? How many times has he been injured?

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Speaker 3: He broke before me and he's really heavy one with

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Speaker 3: It was a long recovery. Other than that, there were

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Speaker 1: When he's injured like that and he's not majorly funded

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Speaker 3: Is he savings? That's what he works so hard.

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Speaker 1: To just what people don't see.

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Speaker 3: He would save his money, use that money to fund

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Speaker 3: he can get to it's just to the next thing,

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Speaker 2: To acknowledge that the good people that did.

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Speaker 1: They would have got in a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: We're talking local roofers and your players who there's nothing

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Speaker 1: Out them to just help them trying to help him out.

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Speaker 4: That he needed to the next level, leave the Steell

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So how far into his career was he still

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he never stopped, really, Yeah, he never stopped.

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Speaker 2: There'd be phases, you know, like sometimes you'd have a

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Speaker 1: So all the travel costs he would have to fork

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Speaker 3: Yeah, occasionally, like sometimes maybe they'd cover the flight there

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Speaker 1: And I do that when I do things that I

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Speaker 3: That was like something that he would be lucky if

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Speaker 2: He was fifteen when he did.

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Speaker 1: He was fifteen years old.

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Speaker 2: But what this actually started when he was nine, So

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Speaker 2: As I said, mum was very hard for a single

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Speaker 1: What was the one that he did at the natural secuary?

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Speaker 1: He was a nature't the triple?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was when I first started dating, when I

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Speaker 3: I remember where we were actually at Cam's birthday and

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Speaker 1: That's enough.

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Speaker 3: We don't need to go to three. And at that time,

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Speaker 3: The problem was is that they had no idea of

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Speaker 3: three or four years of our relationship of chasing this

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Speaker 1: there's there's no funding in this right now, He's now

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Speaker 1: what drove him, but the thing is something so dangerous

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Speaker 3: I think he was that always felt like it was

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Speaker 3: he was really good with normal freestyle, but he looked

439
00:18:45,681 --> 00:18:47,561
Speaker 3: at Cam who had done this thing that not many

440
00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:49,680
Speaker 3: people have done, and he looked at me.

441
00:18:49,761 --> 00:18:52,801
Speaker 1: Ja sounds like a person who is like, I know

442
00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,160
Speaker 1: it can be better than him. It was I cannot

443
00:18:55,241 --> 00:18:55,440
Speaker 1: do it.

444
00:18:55,561 --> 00:18:57,761
Speaker 3: Most just like people are going to say I can't

445
00:18:57,840 --> 00:18:59,321
Speaker 3: do this, and then I'm going to do it like

446
00:18:59,441 --> 00:19:00,961
Speaker 3: I can do it. He just he just knew he

447
00:19:01,001 --> 00:19:04,881
Speaker 3: could do it. And the whole years of him doing

448
00:19:04,921 --> 00:19:07,201
Speaker 3: the Triple, there were so many people that said you're

449
00:19:07,281 --> 00:19:08,840
Speaker 3: not going to get this thing, and not because he

450
00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,840
Speaker 3: couldn't do it, because he would spend ten grand on

451
00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:13,680
Speaker 3: building a ramp and they'd hit it and hit it

452
00:19:13,721 --> 00:19:14,080
Speaker 3: and hit it.

453
00:19:14,120 --> 00:19:16,480
Speaker 1: He would spend ten times, So that's his money ten

454
00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:17,640
Speaker 1: it would cost.

455
00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,001
Speaker 3: It's all the steel he'd get it.

456
00:19:20,041 --> 00:19:21,840
Speaker 1: So what happens when that goes down and they take

457
00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:22,761
Speaker 1: it away? Who keeps that?

458
00:19:24,721 --> 00:19:24,921
Speaker 3: Really?

459
00:19:25,120 --> 00:19:25,321
Speaker 1: Yeah?

460
00:19:25,521 --> 00:19:30,041
Speaker 2: So yeah, with the Triple, he first started, as Beth said,

461
00:19:30,041 --> 00:19:33,001
Speaker 2: they created a ramp which was just an idea. There

462
00:19:33,041 --> 00:19:36,600
Speaker 2: was no like real engineering or physics behind it. He

463
00:19:36,681 --> 00:19:39,001
Speaker 2: drew something up and they got it made paid for it.

464
00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,200
Speaker 2: And that was first set up, and he had some

465
00:19:41,241 --> 00:19:44,001
Speaker 2: footage and he was doing he wasn't getting close to

466
00:19:44,001 --> 00:19:47,120
Speaker 2: the three but he was just in someone's property having

467
00:19:47,120 --> 00:19:50,080
Speaker 2: to go. And then that footage got sent over to

468
00:19:50,360 --> 00:19:53,281
Speaker 2: Duffy was a Nativis in America and he saw that

469
00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,920
Speaker 2: and then passed the footage onto Travis Australia who Jo

470
00:19:57,481 --> 00:20:00,480
Speaker 2: had met since been on NIRA service, but not at

471
00:20:00,521 --> 00:20:04,120
Speaker 2: a close level. And once that footage got shown, that

472
00:20:04,281 --> 00:20:06,360
Speaker 2: was what that was dropping the doors open the door

473
00:20:06,360 --> 00:20:08,801
Speaker 2: because at one stage there he was hiring an air

474
00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:12,120
Speaker 2: bag off a bloke paying for a thousand bucks for

475
00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,921
Speaker 2: the weekend. He had mates out of at a property

476
00:20:15,120 --> 00:20:16,720
Speaker 2: and they're out there and he might get one or

477
00:20:16,721 --> 00:20:19,600
Speaker 2: two jumps and then you're fucking you're bending the bike,

478
00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,281
Speaker 2: you're bending yourself up, and then that's that's your whole week.

479
00:20:22,321 --> 00:20:24,761
Speaker 2: You've done two jumps, and then it's like, right, what

480
00:20:24,801 --> 00:20:26,321
Speaker 2: do we need to change? What do we need to do.

481
00:20:26,441 --> 00:20:28,321
Speaker 2: So that's that was the first stage of it, was

482
00:20:28,360 --> 00:20:30,961
Speaker 2: just some local mates of his out there all set

483
00:20:31,041 --> 00:20:32,920
Speaker 2: it up. It's not a five minute job setting up.

484
00:20:33,521 --> 00:20:36,041
Speaker 2: Imagine all this to go into maybe two jumps, you

485
00:20:36,120 --> 00:20:37,920
Speaker 2: fuck the bike, you bend some how many bakes of

486
00:20:37,961 --> 00:20:40,241
Speaker 2: the up. You usually would would.

487
00:20:40,001 --> 00:20:42,360
Speaker 1: Try and have to two at a time, all one

488
00:20:42,481 --> 00:20:43,361
Speaker 1: if he couldn't get to.

489
00:20:43,321 --> 00:20:46,081
Speaker 2: You generally have one for freestyle, one for the practice

490
00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,401
Speaker 2: or what he was doing. But that's how it started out,

491
00:20:48,481 --> 00:20:51,201
Speaker 2: with like not even knowing it's possible, and the ramp

492
00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,920
Speaker 2: like there was he created that. It was no because

493
00:20:53,921 --> 00:20:56,160
Speaker 2: I also had that, like, well, I've seen that. It

494
00:20:56,281 --> 00:20:58,801
Speaker 2: said that he was going to try and do quadrinkle.

495
00:20:59,360 --> 00:21:02,801
Speaker 2: What I think what best said there as well. It's

496
00:21:02,801 --> 00:21:05,401
Speaker 2: not that he was driven by the money. But even

497
00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,041
Speaker 2: when he did the double flip, we thought things were

498
00:21:07,041 --> 00:21:08,840
Speaker 2: going to vocals would get to start. He was going

499
00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:10,400
Speaker 2: to get some back in and it's like right, and

500
00:21:10,441 --> 00:21:12,681
Speaker 2: now we can do this full time, but they never did.

501
00:21:12,921 --> 00:21:15,281
Speaker 2: And then he's got at the triple when he eventually

502
00:21:15,321 --> 00:21:18,161
Speaker 2: got to that, yeah, and look in saying that once

503
00:21:18,201 --> 00:21:21,401
Speaker 2: he went over to Travis's, he funded that himself and

504
00:21:21,441 --> 00:21:24,600
Speaker 2: a bloke who became one of his fucking right end men,

505
00:21:24,801 --> 00:21:27,601
Speaker 2: Joshi Glynn. He went over with him, paying his own

506
00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,961
Speaker 2: way as well. And I actually went over that trip

507
00:21:29,961 --> 00:21:32,961
Speaker 2: and that was where he was going in. Travis Pashana

508
00:21:33,001 --> 00:21:35,561
Speaker 2: had said, mate, come over and use what you need,

509
00:21:36,041 --> 00:21:38,561
Speaker 2: but there was still no one knew what was possible.

510
00:21:38,921 --> 00:21:40,761
Speaker 2: So he was going over there trying a different ramp.

511
00:21:40,801 --> 00:21:43,321
Speaker 2: This wasn't the ramp that Hed previously tried on in Australia.

512
00:21:43,521 --> 00:21:45,920
Speaker 2: It was another ramp. I don't know. Travis might have

513
00:21:45,961 --> 00:21:47,360
Speaker 2: hit it a couple of times and it was just

514
00:21:47,360 --> 00:21:50,001
Speaker 2: a ramp that sat there. It was fucking too big

515
00:21:50,041 --> 00:21:53,881
Speaker 2: and too scary. And then j went over and that's

516
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,041
Speaker 2: where so he's trying a completely different ramp and spent

517
00:21:57,201 --> 00:21:59,880
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks there testing to work out is

518
00:22:00,241 --> 00:22:03,681
Speaker 2: this even possible? So at that stage, no one even

519
00:22:03,721 --> 00:22:06,201
Speaker 2: knows as possible. So you can have it go, but

520
00:22:06,481 --> 00:22:08,361
Speaker 2: no one really knows if this was going to be.

521
00:22:08,441 --> 00:22:09,721
Speaker 1: How fuscy I've got to go that round.

522
00:22:10,041 --> 00:22:12,561
Speaker 2: That particular ramp was a was a third gear ramp.

523
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,561
Speaker 2: So in terms of kilometers, I don't know, but third

524
00:22:15,561 --> 00:22:18,961
Speaker 2: gear is pretty quick, most in second gear for standard freestyle.

525
00:22:20,001 --> 00:22:20,920
Speaker 2: But that was the.

526
00:22:21,041 --> 00:22:23,281
Speaker 1: Fear factor with that ramp, like it was was he

527
00:22:23,321 --> 00:22:25,321
Speaker 1: confident of doing it when he was practicing it? Was

528
00:22:25,360 --> 00:22:28,361
Speaker 1: he confident? Yeah? Or was he always just confident.

529
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,281
Speaker 2: He was? In that few weeks there, he bent parts

530
00:22:32,321 --> 00:22:34,160
Speaker 2: on the bike. We had to get new parts over

531
00:22:34,201 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 2: there by Hawks his bike. He bent the front for Hawks.

532
00:22:37,360 --> 00:22:40,321
Speaker 2: He was bending handlebars even when he wasn't crashing, just

533
00:22:40,360 --> 00:22:43,880
Speaker 2: on the g force because the speed is underneath this ramp.

534
00:22:43,921 --> 00:22:47,161
Speaker 2: He was ben and handlebars going up it. Even Pastraana

535
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,640
Speaker 2: and Travis Pstraana didn't really think I heard that was

536
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 2: and then when he saw it was literally ben and

537
00:22:51,481 --> 00:22:53,681
Speaker 2: brand new bar. It was just in the force. But

538
00:22:53,721 --> 00:22:56,161
Speaker 2: like that couple of weeks there was what even though

539
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,640
Speaker 2: he didn't get the three around, he got so fucking close.

540
00:22:59,681 --> 00:23:02,160
Speaker 2: He was banging himself up, he was fucking comp and hits.

541
00:23:02,481 --> 00:23:04,521
Speaker 2: The bike was fucked by the end of it. But

542
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 2: that was a a success because it actually and other

543
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,281
Speaker 2: people started to believe he's going to get this. Yeah,

544
00:23:10,441 --> 00:23:13,961
Speaker 2: it's a fucking it's possible, even though he didn't quite

545
00:23:14,001 --> 00:23:16,481
Speaker 2: get there. And then he came back and from then

546
00:23:16,521 --> 00:23:19,161
Speaker 2: on he did actually get a bit of support from NITROSA.

547
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 2: They wanted to help him and to manage that and

548
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:26,801
Speaker 2: that was going to be was always going to be

549
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,481
Speaker 2: held at one of their big issues, so they did,

550
00:23:29,521 --> 00:23:32,401
Speaker 2: like it is important. They did back him and a property.

551
00:23:32,561 --> 00:23:34,521
Speaker 2: But this was once he'd done all the hard groundwork,

552
00:23:34,561 --> 00:23:36,440
Speaker 2: you know, so then there was a bit of support

553
00:23:36,441 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 2: from them.

554
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,041
Speaker 3: Because it was I think it was hard for people

555
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,241
Speaker 3: to you know, when he was practicing at home, he

556
00:23:44,360 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 3: had minimal budget. So it was with the ramp that

557
00:23:46,761 --> 00:23:49,281
Speaker 3: he'd built, the airbag that he was hiring for one

558
00:23:49,281 --> 00:23:51,561
Speaker 3: to two thousand dollars a day, and if the ramp

559
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 3: wasn't right, I remember, they needed to jack the ramp up,

560
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,120
Speaker 3: so they had it pushed against like an excavator or

561
00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,120
Speaker 3: it was just whatever he could do to make it work.

562
00:24:00,241 --> 00:24:02,880
Speaker 3: So when he did go to Travis's, that was a

563
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,160
Speaker 3: really good turning point because that's like you said, and

564
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,561
Speaker 3: people took it more seriously and thought, Okay, he's got

565
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:07,921
Speaker 3: a chance.

566
00:24:07,961 --> 00:24:10,640
Speaker 1: He's going to do this. Like what I've seen here,

567
00:24:10,761 --> 00:24:13,120
Speaker 1: it's a shame that it's come to this that someone

568
00:24:13,481 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 1: has to pass away for someone to get a legacy

569
00:24:15,961 --> 00:24:18,400
Speaker 1: and a recognition out there. And it always happens with

570
00:24:18,481 --> 00:24:21,761
Speaker 1: everybody out there. Someone tries their hardest to get there,

571
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 1: and then the showing that how good they are, something

572
00:24:25,241 --> 00:24:28,921
Speaker 1: tragically happens, and then all of a sudden their name

573
00:24:29,001 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 1: grows bigger, but they're not here to you know what

574
00:24:31,481 --> 00:24:34,321
Speaker 1: I mean. And this is a problem with society at

575
00:24:34,321 --> 00:24:36,961
Speaker 1: the moment, because I said, only a couple of days

576
00:24:36,961 --> 00:24:38,880
Speaker 1: ago to one of my mates, if I pass away,

577
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 1: my podcast will go through the fucking roof, you know

578
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,640
Speaker 1: what I mean. But while I'm here, it stays at

579
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 1: this level, you know what I mean? I get it

580
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 1: to hear here here, but if I fucking pass away,

581
00:24:46,761 --> 00:24:48,161
Speaker 1: I'll fucking got the roof.

582
00:24:48,441 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 2: Well, there's so many nice things written on social media

583
00:24:52,001 --> 00:24:55,161
Speaker 2: and tributes and things that have been said since his accident,

584
00:24:55,681 --> 00:24:59,481
Speaker 2: which is fucking amazing. Yeah, there there's one in particular

585
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,201
Speaker 2: from a friend of his, and it said, yeah, you're

586
00:25:03,241 --> 00:25:05,801
Speaker 2: always so focused and started to to make it that

587
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 2: you never took the time to stand back and realized

588
00:25:08,201 --> 00:25:11,481
Speaker 2: you had made it. And that's like, I mean, it

589
00:25:11,521 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 2: gives me goosebumps listening to it with me saying that,

590
00:25:14,001 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 2: you know, but it's true. But there's different ways to

591
00:25:16,201 --> 00:25:19,001
Speaker 2: look at that, because what does men making it? Like

592
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 2: you say, Now, there's all these lovely things coming now.

593
00:25:21,721 --> 00:25:25,601
Speaker 2: But j didn't always feel the respect from the sport

594
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,521
Speaker 2: people in the sport I can see, and there was

595
00:25:27,801 --> 00:25:31,001
Speaker 2: he constantly got let down. You're not expected to get help,

596
00:25:31,120 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 2: but he he appreciated every bit of help he did get.

597
00:25:34,441 --> 00:25:35,761
Speaker 2: But a lot of things he got to let down.

598
00:25:35,801 --> 00:25:37,561
Speaker 2: A lot he had He had things that would be

599
00:25:38,241 --> 00:25:40,001
Speaker 2: in the horizon and things that are locked in and

600
00:25:40,001 --> 00:25:41,601
Speaker 2: then it comes around and all of a sudden, that's

601
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 2: fucking and to the point of some of these people

602
00:25:44,921 --> 00:25:48,161
Speaker 2: were involving him as a kid and close friends of him,

603
00:25:48,201 --> 00:25:49,360
Speaker 2: not just associates.

604
00:25:49,360 --> 00:25:51,400
Speaker 1: For there's any people jealous of him, Oh.

605
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 2: Fucking they would have been. Yeah. But yeah, even with that,

606
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 2: like he was, he was let down by people that

607
00:25:59,041 --> 00:26:01,481
Speaker 2: and that cut him because Thomas the world and deliver, Yeah,

608
00:26:01,801 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 2: and that cut him. And he used to wonder, what

609
00:26:04,721 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 2: the fuck like these people have been there and you know,

610
00:26:07,521 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 2: you talk about hotels. There was an event in Melbourne.

611
00:26:11,120 --> 00:26:13,521
Speaker 2: He's fucking home down right, So okay, he's from there,

612
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 2: but there was a lot of other people from Melbourne

613
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,561
Speaker 2: at the event. Everyone gets hotel rooms. He didn't get

614
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,281
Speaker 2: fuck all. Really, he pays for his own one. All

615
00:26:22,281 --> 00:26:24,521
Speaker 2: the other writers in that event get a hotel room.

616
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 2: I mean wow, But that didn't fuck bother him. It

617
00:26:28,120 --> 00:26:30,120
Speaker 2: is what it is, like best said, he'd say, thanking

618
00:26:30,201 --> 00:26:32,801
Speaker 2: fuck like this. It's just is what it is. And

619
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,880
Speaker 2: that's like where I go back to change the schools

620
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,880
Speaker 2: when you're so young, just being resilient and never given up.

621
00:26:37,961 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 1: You know, there's there a lot of politics that in

622
00:26:40,441 --> 00:26:42,561
Speaker 1: this sport. Well, like I don't know because I've never

623
00:26:42,561 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: I've never really looked into it. That deep is that

624
00:26:44,761 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: or not?

625
00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's tricky.

626
00:26:46,761 --> 00:26:49,041
Speaker 1: You have to be someone to get like under the

627
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 1: table or to get anywhere.

628
00:26:50,521 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 3: Honestly, I don't know, because I think you know. The

629
00:26:53,001 --> 00:26:54,761
Speaker 3: thing is we don't know, and we're not in their

630
00:26:54,761 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 3: business and we don't Like I could sit here and

631
00:26:56,801 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 3: say he really didn't understand why he didn't get to

632
00:26:59,761 --> 00:27:02,281
Speaker 3: that next level up and we didn't understand. But the

633
00:27:02,281 --> 00:27:05,001
Speaker 3: reality is is we're not in there meetings, we don't know.

634
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 3: There might be a reason. There might have been seriously

635
00:27:07,201 --> 00:27:10,360
Speaker 3: no budget, but it didn't make sense because of he

636
00:27:10,521 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 3: was enough and comer from such a young age. And

637
00:27:13,360 --> 00:27:16,041
Speaker 3: he would saying like I'm willing to push the limits,

638
00:27:16,041 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 3: like I'll do the big stuff they know and I'm

639
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 3: proving it to them. What else do I have to

640
00:27:19,721 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 3: do to show them?

641
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,521
Speaker 2: It wasn't consistent, Like it didn't make sense. That's the

642
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 2: easiest way to put it. You fucking He would scratch

643
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,321
Speaker 2: his head, but he kept turning up kept he was

644
00:27:30,721 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 2: another thing since talking about his personality or his character,

645
00:27:36,120 --> 00:27:39,161
Speaker 2: like again, if everyone had the Summon month, they say,

646
00:27:39,281 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 2: is fucking light up the room? Is so positive? He

647
00:27:42,201 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 2: was never negative and that's true, that's who he was.

648
00:27:45,201 --> 00:27:48,361
Speaker 2: But I think the part that makes it more special

649
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,281
Speaker 2: is that close ones know that it wasn't all just

650
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,481
Speaker 2: easy and give it to me, because if you've got

651
00:27:53,481 --> 00:27:55,001
Speaker 2: everything given to you, fucking O, how hard is it

652
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:59,001
Speaker 2: to be positive? But he's rocking up. He's having so

653
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,801
Speaker 2: many setbacks, he's still turning up. He had all sorts

654
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,801
Speaker 2: of things going on in the background, which again any

655
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,360
Speaker 2: normal person to say this is too hard, but he

656
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,001
Speaker 2: would to be able to flick the switch.

657
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,161
Speaker 1: So I say, he could have all that shit going on, fucking.

658
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 2: Not sleeping because he's put all this shit on his mind,

659
00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 2: but then he's still fucking He's at the gym on

660
00:28:16,681 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 2: Instagram and quarter pass too because he couldn't sleep and

661
00:28:19,801 --> 00:28:21,201
Speaker 2: go to the gym, and then the next day he's

662
00:28:21,201 --> 00:28:24,041
Speaker 2: back into it. He could flick that switch, but then

663
00:28:24,441 --> 00:28:26,761
Speaker 2: everyone thinking he is still the most positive person.

664
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 3: In the world.

665
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,921
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is the mental toughness that he had being

666
00:28:31,961 --> 00:28:35,121
Speaker 2: able to just adapt. We're very close family, all supported,

667
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 2: you know, and we'd always having phone calls to him

668
00:28:37,961 --> 00:28:41,201
Speaker 2: and feeling the fucking the letdown or feeling the disappointment.

669
00:28:41,801 --> 00:28:44,321
Speaker 2: But he fucking bounced back.

670
00:28:44,721 --> 00:28:47,001
Speaker 1: Tell me how you met him, Tell me how you

671
00:28:47,001 --> 00:28:47,401
Speaker 1: got to.

672
00:28:47,401 --> 00:28:51,721
Speaker 3: Mend him through Instagram. He was a suspension technician for

673
00:28:52,001 --> 00:28:54,841
Speaker 3: my dad and he would do my dad and my

674
00:28:54,881 --> 00:28:58,361
Speaker 3: brother's motorbike and I think Dad was the fan before

675
00:28:58,441 --> 00:29:01,281
Speaker 3: I was got a selfie with him and brought it

676
00:29:01,321 --> 00:29:03,201
Speaker 3: back and Dad said, oh, this guy's on night church

677
00:29:03,401 --> 00:29:05,841
Speaker 3: because he does this, he does that, And I would

678
00:29:05,841 --> 00:29:07,441
Speaker 3: have been so young. I would have been like fifteen

679
00:29:07,561 --> 00:29:09,361
Speaker 3: us at all. I'm going to follow him on Instagram

680
00:29:09,601 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 3: that I don't know where the At the funeral, someone

681
00:29:12,801 --> 00:29:14,881
Speaker 3: said that I had posters of him in my room.

682
00:29:15,001 --> 00:29:19,561
Speaker 3: That was not true. That's what you're laughing at. My gosh,

683
00:29:19,721 --> 00:29:24,361
Speaker 3: both look like a stalker. But yeah, we just followed

684
00:29:24,361 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 3: each other on Instagram. He knew my dad and my

685
00:29:26,281 --> 00:29:28,921
Speaker 3: brother and eventually, you know, got a bit older and

686
00:29:29,001 --> 00:29:30,681
Speaker 3: were chatting on there and just went on a date.

687
00:29:30,721 --> 00:29:32,921
Speaker 1: And then who asked Did you ask him or he

688
00:29:32,921 --> 00:29:34,041
Speaker 1: asked you? No, he asked me.

689
00:29:34,041 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 3: I'd never ask him if I get rejected, that's so embarrassing. No,

690
00:29:40,561 --> 00:29:43,201
Speaker 3: I definitely probably I was interested. But we I think

691
00:29:43,241 --> 00:29:44,561
Speaker 3: we just went and got dinner and then we just

692
00:29:44,561 --> 00:29:46,681
Speaker 3: didn't part. We just kept seeing each other.

693
00:29:47,041 --> 00:29:49,601
Speaker 1: Wow, tell me about the when he proposed to you.

694
00:29:50,521 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was after he'd done the triple flip. He

695
00:29:54,601 --> 00:29:57,841
Speaker 3: actually he told me he had the ring for over

696
00:29:57,841 --> 00:29:59,281
Speaker 3: a year before he did that.

697
00:29:59,601 --> 00:30:01,881
Speaker 1: Yeah, because do you know anything about this night happened.

698
00:30:02,041 --> 00:30:04,601
Speaker 3: No, but he had told me two years before it

699
00:30:04,641 --> 00:30:06,921
Speaker 3: that he he had this thing where he would have

700
00:30:07,001 --> 00:30:09,681
Speaker 3: dreams of things and that would happen about his motorbike stuff.

701
00:30:09,921 --> 00:30:13,241
Speaker 3: So he told me he had a dream that he

702
00:30:13,561 --> 00:30:16,561
Speaker 3: landed a triple backflip, and then proposed me on that night.

703
00:30:17,081 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 3: And this was well before he was anywhere close of

704
00:30:19,561 --> 00:30:22,521
Speaker 3: landing a triple backflip. So yeah, two years later, that's

705
00:30:22,561 --> 00:30:24,921
Speaker 3: time's gone on whatever. But he'd actually gone and brought

706
00:30:24,921 --> 00:30:28,401
Speaker 3: the ring, took it with him from Melbourne to Gold Coast,

707
00:30:28,441 --> 00:30:30,521
Speaker 3: and I think in that time the competition was meant

708
00:30:30,521 --> 00:30:33,361
Speaker 3: to happen, but he had broken his leg, so that

709
00:30:33,401 --> 00:30:37,121
Speaker 3: got postponed another six months or so on after that. So, yeah,

710
00:30:37,121 --> 00:30:38,681
Speaker 3: he held on to it all that time and then

711
00:30:39,321 --> 00:30:41,041
Speaker 3: proposed afterwards.

712
00:30:41,721 --> 00:30:44,881
Speaker 1: How it was, I was already crying.

713
00:30:50,801 --> 00:30:53,081
Speaker 3: Yeah, he landed the triple and I was just stoked

714
00:30:53,081 --> 00:30:56,361
Speaker 3: that he'd landed it. And then they did the podium

715
00:30:56,441 --> 00:30:59,641
Speaker 3: in their first second day, and once they'd done that,

716
00:31:00,241 --> 00:31:02,121
Speaker 3: they gave him the mic and he said he had

717
00:31:02,121 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 3: something else to do and got on one day and

718
00:31:04,761 --> 00:31:12,521
Speaker 3: held the ring to himself already crime from.

719
00:31:15,001 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 2: Because down to that night when he was being interviewed

720
00:31:19,721 --> 00:31:23,401
Speaker 2: after doing that, like he was adrenaline. That was insane,

721
00:31:23,441 --> 00:31:25,921
Speaker 2: like doing what he did that night and then knowing

722
00:31:25,921 --> 00:31:28,561
Speaker 2: that that was that was the finale, you know what

723
00:31:28,561 --> 00:31:30,841
Speaker 2: I mean, if I can go a bit more into

724
00:31:30,841 --> 00:31:34,761
Speaker 2: that night. So having the ring for so long, that

725
00:31:35,001 --> 00:31:37,281
Speaker 2: event was meant to happen as best said, and got

726
00:31:37,281 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 2: canceled and the funding things weren't organized my different sort

727
00:31:41,281 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 2: of reasons along the way, So that was part of

728
00:31:43,281 --> 00:31:46,681
Speaker 2: like getting ready and then it's canceled when that event

729
00:31:46,801 --> 00:31:51,241
Speaker 2: went through, like Jayden for three years, he caught the injuries,

730
00:31:51,321 --> 00:31:54,601
Speaker 2: all the fucking money, the biker issues, the trial and

731
00:31:54,641 --> 00:31:57,041
Speaker 2: there on this ramp No that's sucking, no good scrap

732
00:31:57,121 --> 00:32:01,041
Speaker 2: that this one over here, trips overseas and then finally

733
00:32:01,081 --> 00:32:05,041
Speaker 2: after he broke his leg, Nitro and he's good mate

734
00:32:05,321 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 2: Jack Strong, it was at his property. Everyone sort of

735
00:32:07,721 --> 00:32:11,201
Speaker 2: agreed that fucking ramp his name more it's too dangerous

736
00:32:11,881 --> 00:32:14,201
Speaker 2: there's too much it can go wrong. So after all

737
00:32:14,241 --> 00:32:17,441
Speaker 2: of that time practicing and trying to perfect his trick,

738
00:32:17,481 --> 00:32:19,601
Speaker 2: now he's back to square one again. So he broke

739
00:32:19,681 --> 00:32:22,281
Speaker 2: his leg six months bak his family six months before

740
00:32:22,281 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 2: the event. He had to recover and then try on

741
00:32:25,441 --> 00:32:27,521
Speaker 2: a new ramp. So he was on the third ramp

742
00:32:27,521 --> 00:32:29,881
Speaker 2: by then, which was much smaller. Again, trying to do

743
00:32:29,961 --> 00:32:32,921
Speaker 2: something that extreme off a small fucking that much time

744
00:32:33,081 --> 00:32:33,641
Speaker 2: to get rid of.

745
00:32:33,921 --> 00:32:35,761
Speaker 3: I think it was six weeks out from the competition

746
00:32:35,801 --> 00:32:36,801
Speaker 3: and where you were saying.

747
00:32:36,721 --> 00:32:40,321
Speaker 1: Iland and he was like, this is not normal. You know.

748
00:32:40,721 --> 00:32:42,801
Speaker 2: That's something I do want to touch on is Jaden

749
00:32:42,841 --> 00:32:45,801
Speaker 2: was the crash dummy. Jo did all the fucking hard work.

750
00:32:45,841 --> 00:32:48,481
Speaker 2: He's the one that went, this is fucking not possible,

751
00:32:48,721 --> 00:32:52,521
Speaker 2: and he made it possible. And then that event's coming

752
00:32:52,601 --> 00:32:54,801
Speaker 2: up that it was known he was going to do that,

753
00:32:55,001 --> 00:32:57,121
Speaker 2: This was the plan for a couple of years, and

754
00:32:57,161 --> 00:33:00,561
Speaker 2: then another bloke once he knows it's possible, another bloke

755
00:33:00,641 --> 00:33:03,161
Speaker 2: jumps on the bandwagon and comes out and he's going

756
00:33:03,201 --> 00:33:06,081
Speaker 2: to do that same trick at the Worldames. There's no

757
00:33:06,161 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 2: rule saying you can't do the same fund. You've got

758
00:33:08,761 --> 00:33:10,881
Speaker 2: one bloke who's done all the hard yards. You got

759
00:33:10,881 --> 00:33:13,761
Speaker 2: someone else that jumps on the bandwagon that night. The

760
00:33:13,761 --> 00:33:16,121
Speaker 2: way that the competition works is you get two goes.

761
00:33:16,401 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 2: You get two goes at the trick, and that's fucking it.

762
00:33:19,601 --> 00:33:22,361
Speaker 2: Jo was not wasting any time. He come out and

763
00:33:22,361 --> 00:33:24,921
Speaker 2: did it first go, first go, fucking landed it. That's it.

764
00:33:25,281 --> 00:33:27,241
Speaker 2: The other bloke comes out, has two goes and the

765
00:33:27,281 --> 00:33:29,361
Speaker 2: crowd's fucking no one knows what's going on because he

766
00:33:29,401 --> 00:33:32,361
Speaker 2: hasn't done it. Then he has a third go and crashes.

767
00:33:32,921 --> 00:33:36,521
Speaker 2: Then he has a fourth go and he wins the event.

768
00:33:36,961 --> 00:33:40,361
Speaker 2: But that didn't fucking matter because everyone knows Jaden one.

769
00:33:40,721 --> 00:33:43,321
Speaker 2: He fucking did it first. He's the one that did

770
00:33:43,361 --> 00:33:45,241
Speaker 2: all the hard yards to get there. And then he

771
00:33:45,321 --> 00:33:47,521
Speaker 2: proposed to his missis. It didn't matter what the fucking

772
00:33:47,601 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 2: judges say. We know who the winner was. How someone

773
00:33:51,561 --> 00:33:53,921
Speaker 2: was allowed to get four goes that was me?

774
00:33:54,041 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: Well you just keep quiet? How does that happening In

775
00:33:55,961 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: the end of the day.

776
00:33:56,601 --> 00:33:58,881
Speaker 2: J is not a fucking he ain't fuck He's not

777
00:33:58,881 --> 00:34:01,161
Speaker 2: going to be a bad sport about it. Everyone knows,

778
00:34:01,361 --> 00:34:04,041
Speaker 2: people have watched it, people know what the truth is.

779
00:34:04,161 --> 00:34:06,961
Speaker 2: So how that happens DNA. Wow.

780
00:34:07,281 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: So the preparation for doing something like that is how

781
00:34:10,521 --> 00:34:12,361
Speaker 1: many weeks prior to it to the event? What are

782
00:34:12,401 --> 00:34:12,761
Speaker 1: you doing?

783
00:34:13,201 --> 00:34:16,201
Speaker 3: Yeah, usually you would let's say someone's got a competition,

784
00:34:16,841 --> 00:34:20,161
Speaker 3: maybe three months before they start practicing their trick. Maybe

785
00:34:20,161 --> 00:34:22,041
Speaker 3: six months if they really need a lot of practice.

786
00:34:22,281 --> 00:34:25,521
Speaker 3: Obviously Jo was I mean for the World Games that

787
00:34:25,681 --> 00:34:28,161
Speaker 3: was years and years and years of practice. For X

788
00:34:28,241 --> 00:34:30,281
Speaker 3: Games hit that was pretty quick. He had two weeks

789
00:34:30,281 --> 00:34:33,241
Speaker 3: practice and managed to pull a trick out. But when

790
00:34:33,281 --> 00:34:36,161
Speaker 3: you're doing such a big trick, they don't usually land

791
00:34:36,161 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 3: it in practice because you're not getting paid or it's

792
00:34:38,441 --> 00:34:41,481
Speaker 3: not you're not winning something use practicing. So most of

793
00:34:41,521 --> 00:34:43,401
Speaker 3: the time you'd get it as perfect as you could

794
00:34:43,481 --> 00:34:46,041
Speaker 3: to the phone pit or an air bag, and then

795
00:34:46,081 --> 00:34:49,041
Speaker 3: you're hopefully not injuring yourself and then you do the

796
00:34:49,121 --> 00:34:51,601
Speaker 3: big thing on the night, don't land and right out

797
00:34:51,601 --> 00:34:53,561
Speaker 3: of it. So with his trip or, he was doing

798
00:34:53,561 --> 00:34:55,401
Speaker 3: it to an air bag over and over and over

799
00:34:55,441 --> 00:34:57,281
Speaker 3: again and just trying to land it perfectly to that

800
00:34:57,401 --> 00:35:00,881
Speaker 3: and World Games was the first of technically riding out

801
00:35:00,921 --> 00:35:01,121
Speaker 3: of it.

802
00:35:01,361 --> 00:35:05,321
Speaker 1: Wow. Let's lead up to the day. Okay, on the

803
00:35:05,681 --> 00:35:09,161
Speaker 1: twenty first of Fabruary. Everything's fine at home, Yeah, everything,

804
00:35:09,401 --> 00:35:12,361
Speaker 1: everything's in practice before you know, everything's going good.

805
00:35:12,801 --> 00:35:14,721
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well he was in Melbourne, so if we lived

806
00:35:14,761 --> 00:35:18,161
Speaker 3: in Gold Coast and then yeah, were you there in Melbourne?

807
00:35:18,241 --> 00:35:20,361
Speaker 3: I was in Gold Coast and he'd been in Melbourne

808
00:35:20,361 --> 00:35:23,321
Speaker 3: for two months prior because he was practicing the triples

809
00:35:23,361 --> 00:35:27,401
Speaker 3: again to do a triple over in Vienna, getting ready

810
00:35:27,441 --> 00:35:28,281
Speaker 3: to go away to Vienna.

811
00:35:28,481 --> 00:35:31,201
Speaker 1: Okay, so was the only one of you there on

812
00:35:31,241 --> 00:35:33,601
Speaker 1: the on the practice? None of you were there?

813
00:35:33,721 --> 00:35:35,801
Speaker 3: No, just his good friend Josh, who'd been with him

814
00:35:35,841 --> 00:35:39,841
Speaker 3: through the whole triple. He was the he ran the

815
00:35:39,881 --> 00:35:42,841
Speaker 3: air bags that they would practice to and became a

816
00:35:42,921 --> 00:35:45,161
Speaker 3: very close friend. So he was there. That was like

817
00:35:45,241 --> 00:35:47,921
Speaker 3: he was always practicing with him. He trusted.

818
00:35:49,121 --> 00:35:52,121
Speaker 2: Joshi, who Jay had met a few years earlier. I

819
00:35:52,241 --> 00:35:55,961
Speaker 2: had no real involvement in the sport. And he become

820
00:35:56,401 --> 00:35:58,401
Speaker 2: one of the ambassador for this air bag.

821
00:35:58,241 --> 00:36:01,241
Speaker 3: Company and then atrailing distributor.

822
00:36:00,841 --> 00:36:03,561
Speaker 2: Yeah, train distributor for the air bag company. And then

823
00:36:03,601 --> 00:36:06,321
Speaker 2: that's him and Jay O Matt and if you other

824
00:36:06,401 --> 00:36:08,121
Speaker 2: riders used to go there, but Joshi and Jay had

825
00:36:08,161 --> 00:36:10,721
Speaker 2: just got on and he was fucking unbelievable. Again, he's

826
00:36:10,721 --> 00:36:14,041
Speaker 2: a concrete There was very little, if anything to fucking

827
00:36:14,041 --> 00:36:16,321
Speaker 2: get out of it for him, and we felt safe

828
00:36:16,321 --> 00:36:19,121
Speaker 2: when he was with Josh used to travel with him

829
00:36:19,481 --> 00:36:21,801
Speaker 2: and he'd set the things up, he'd make sure everything's right,

830
00:36:21,841 --> 00:36:22,041
Speaker 2: you know.

831
00:36:22,361 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: So what went wrong then, nothing that he did.

832
00:36:25,801 --> 00:36:28,081
Speaker 3: It was a bike Well we're not one hundred percent sure.

833
00:36:28,201 --> 00:36:31,041
Speaker 3: We think it was a bike malfunction. So he'd just

834
00:36:31,481 --> 00:36:34,481
Speaker 3: gotten into a Stark, which was an electric bike. The

835
00:36:34,561 --> 00:36:37,241
Speaker 3: original reasoning for getting on a Stark was he was

836
00:36:37,241 --> 00:36:39,121
Speaker 3: going to then go on to do a quad flip,

837
00:36:39,161 --> 00:36:41,521
Speaker 3: which he believed was only going to be possible through

838
00:36:41,561 --> 00:36:44,161
Speaker 3: because it had more power and he would weld all

839
00:36:44,201 --> 00:36:46,921
Speaker 3: these special things onto it that would help him with

840
00:36:47,041 --> 00:36:50,161
Speaker 3: the triple. And they found that a footthook had snapped

841
00:36:50,201 --> 00:36:53,721
Speaker 3: off over far away, so they think maybe that had

842
00:36:53,721 --> 00:36:56,801
Speaker 3: snapped off with which left him nothing to hook onto

843
00:36:57,161 --> 00:37:00,801
Speaker 3: and it threw the bike off axis, which then missed

844
00:37:00,841 --> 00:37:02,761
Speaker 3: the safety landing bag.

845
00:37:03,041 --> 00:37:06,481
Speaker 1: Which was what happened and what injuries did he sustain?

846
00:37:06,521 --> 00:37:09,041
Speaker 1: From me, I've read the report.

847
00:37:09,521 --> 00:37:13,401
Speaker 3: There was it was just the compression of hitting the ground.

848
00:37:13,441 --> 00:37:19,401
Speaker 2: Really, it was just on impact. Yes, it's yeah, that

849
00:37:19,481 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 2: sort of stuff. I think. I think that's the only

850
00:37:22,241 --> 00:37:25,401
Speaker 2: thing that we can be at peace with a little

851
00:37:25,441 --> 00:37:27,081
Speaker 2: bit it happened suddenly.

852
00:37:28,601 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: Are you happy with the report that you've got back.

853
00:37:31,761 --> 00:37:34,761
Speaker 3: Well, I'm happy that it was on impact, like you know,

854
00:37:34,921 --> 00:37:41,721
Speaker 3: like you said, like it's terrible, but you know, but yeah,

855
00:37:41,801 --> 00:37:43,721
Speaker 3: that's you know, what else do you do to you

856
00:37:43,721 --> 00:37:45,241
Speaker 3: can't really be happy with anything to do.

857
00:37:45,761 --> 00:37:48,201
Speaker 2: I haven't read the report. I don't know that that

858
00:37:48,681 --> 00:37:52,401
Speaker 2: is something I need to do. Read it, which she's

859
00:37:53,001 --> 00:37:53,601
Speaker 2: pretty solid.

860
00:37:54,001 --> 00:37:55,881
Speaker 1: Why do I feel like you do there's something that

861
00:37:55,921 --> 00:37:57,321
Speaker 1: you don't like about what happened.

862
00:37:58,801 --> 00:38:00,401
Speaker 2: I mean, there's not much to like.

863
00:38:00,561 --> 00:38:03,001
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you can't change it.

864
00:38:03,521 --> 00:38:06,321
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think. I think for me, you know,

865
00:38:06,521 --> 00:38:10,041
Speaker 2: I've seen the video. I've watched the video. That's that's

866
00:38:10,161 --> 00:38:13,201
Speaker 2: enough for me. But back to what be said about

867
00:38:13,201 --> 00:38:15,881
Speaker 2: the like, Josh, he's there, Josh's the one who's got

868
00:38:15,921 --> 00:38:19,481
Speaker 2: to hold all the knowledge of this. Josh's analyzed things

869
00:38:19,961 --> 00:38:23,921
Speaker 2: and he's very sure that's sort of what happened. I

870
00:38:23,961 --> 00:38:27,321
Speaker 2: think with this sort of thing. Whether he'd been down

871
00:38:27,321 --> 00:38:29,081
Speaker 2: there for a period of time practicing it was only

872
00:38:29,241 --> 00:38:33,841
Speaker 2: wasn't a week before something he'd done little little Instagram

873
00:38:33,921 --> 00:38:36,521
Speaker 2: video and gone out there. Set up was perfect. He's

874
00:38:36,521 --> 00:38:39,001
Speaker 2: gone and done one first go. Yeah he could do it,

875
00:38:39,481 --> 00:38:42,921
Speaker 2: I think is he's already landed one. He's so fucking

876
00:38:42,961 --> 00:38:45,841
Speaker 2: confident with his thing. People can't believe how confident and

877
00:38:45,881 --> 00:38:48,601
Speaker 2: consistent he is. So he'd done one, and in his

878
00:38:48,681 --> 00:38:51,601
Speaker 2: Instagram video he actually says, we're out here today, we're

879
00:38:51,601 --> 00:38:53,321
Speaker 2: going to go do one first go because we're have

880
00:38:53,361 --> 00:38:56,041
Speaker 2: a good time in a long time. A few days later,

881
00:38:56,081 --> 00:38:57,961
Speaker 2: a week later, whatever it was when he was writing

882
00:38:58,601 --> 00:39:02,921
Speaker 2: on the twenty first again, he's so comfortable and consistent

883
00:39:02,961 --> 00:39:06,521
Speaker 2: with it that that's why. And Josh's come to the finding.

884
00:39:06,641 --> 00:39:09,881
Speaker 2: So on his other bikes, on a normal bike, the

885
00:39:09,921 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 2: four strikes, you've got more solid frames and a lot

886
00:39:12,961 --> 00:39:15,881
Speaker 2: more to mount foothoks too, because that helps him tuck

887
00:39:15,961 --> 00:39:18,721
Speaker 2: in and keeps him on access when you're pulling that

888
00:39:18,801 --> 00:39:21,601
Speaker 2: hard on this bike. As Best said, it was a

889
00:39:21,641 --> 00:39:24,201
Speaker 2: new bike, and they're not. It's not a big steel,

890
00:39:24,321 --> 00:39:26,441
Speaker 2: chunky engine and frame. You know, you don't have a

891
00:39:26,481 --> 00:39:29,161
Speaker 2: back break there, so there's there's limited things. So you're

892
00:39:29,201 --> 00:39:32,841
Speaker 2: making these makeshift hawks and I guess that that's what

893
00:39:32,961 --> 00:39:36,361
Speaker 2: was found well before the brand and then when you

894
00:39:36,441 --> 00:39:40,441
Speaker 2: watch the video, he basically spins off access. There's no

895
00:39:40,521 --> 00:39:42,281
Speaker 2: real way out when you're that high and you're spinning

896
00:39:42,281 --> 00:39:42,681
Speaker 2: that quick.

897
00:39:43,241 --> 00:39:45,601
Speaker 1: How long How long time you were told what was happened?

898
00:39:47,681 --> 00:39:48,961
Speaker 3: I think two hours after.

899
00:39:50,281 --> 00:39:53,921
Speaker 2: That day at work, I was fucking flicking through something

900
00:39:53,961 --> 00:39:57,881
Speaker 2: on Instagram randomly and it made a message me and

901
00:39:57,961 --> 00:40:00,521
Speaker 2: I looked at that message and funny, it was something

902
00:40:00,521 --> 00:40:02,801
Speaker 2: completely random, but funny enough. The last time that made

903
00:40:02,841 --> 00:40:05,921
Speaker 2: it message me was commenting on my brother post, which

904
00:40:05,961 --> 00:40:09,121
Speaker 2: was my birthday message, and I was like, maybe birthday mate,

905
00:40:09,241 --> 00:40:11,361
Speaker 2: I love your brother. And I actually looked at that.

906
00:40:11,441 --> 00:40:14,361
Speaker 2: And this was around nine o'clock, which was close to

907
00:40:14,401 --> 00:40:16,361
Speaker 2: the accent time I actually looked at that message and

908
00:40:16,361 --> 00:40:19,081
Speaker 2: I screened him. I thought, I've already seen it months

909
00:40:19,081 --> 00:40:21,761
Speaker 2: earlier when my birthday was I fucking screened and I thought, fuck,

910
00:40:21,801 --> 00:40:24,321
Speaker 2: it's fucking awesome. I just had a little thought about it,

911
00:40:24,481 --> 00:40:28,361
Speaker 2: and then I got the phone call a couple hours

912
00:40:28,401 --> 00:40:31,161
Speaker 2: after because obviously went to mum and come to me,

913
00:40:31,681 --> 00:40:36,841
Speaker 2: and then I called my jo's best mates up in Queensland, Yeah,

914
00:40:36,961 --> 00:40:39,641
Speaker 2: to go and notify.

915
00:40:39,321 --> 00:40:43,321
Speaker 3: Beth because Arley had his sister had called my dad

916
00:40:43,361 --> 00:40:45,761
Speaker 3: and they were just trying to figure out who they

917
00:40:45,801 --> 00:40:48,081
Speaker 3: could get to get me so that it wasn't just

918
00:40:48,121 --> 00:40:50,521
Speaker 3: a random phone call at work, and they couldn't figure

919
00:40:50,521 --> 00:40:52,761
Speaker 3: out they didn't have my best friend's numbers. They didn't know,

920
00:40:52,881 --> 00:40:56,601
Speaker 3: so I guess then Ryan thought to call one of

921
00:40:56,761 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 3: Jo's friends to come to my work.

922
00:40:59,201 --> 00:41:01,081
Speaker 1: Yeah, what was going from your head?

923
00:41:02,241 --> 00:41:06,201
Speaker 2: Oh? I actually sort of gets backs of that phone call.

924
00:41:08,041 --> 00:41:09,521
Speaker 2: I was. I was up on the top of a

925
00:41:09,521 --> 00:41:12,481
Speaker 2: building I work in construction, say, I was at the

926
00:41:12,481 --> 00:41:14,721
Speaker 2: top of a phone call from my sister, and then

927
00:41:14,761 --> 00:41:17,121
Speaker 2: it just it's a it's I can remember it, but

928
00:41:17,161 --> 00:41:20,121
Speaker 2: it's a B. I was running around as well, like

929
00:41:20,361 --> 00:41:23,081
Speaker 2: something to mention it as well, Like it was fucking

930
00:41:23,121 --> 00:41:27,161
Speaker 2: bizarre with Jo. And this is even before he was

931
00:41:27,521 --> 00:41:29,641
Speaker 2: into the crazy ship and the bike, so just when

932
00:41:29,641 --> 00:41:33,041
Speaker 2: he was a kid, we all had these fucking strains,

933
00:41:33,041 --> 00:41:35,361
Speaker 2: like my mum, my sister, I'm sure dad as well,

934
00:41:35,401 --> 00:41:38,001
Speaker 2: but myself, like I always had this thing with him

935
00:41:38,561 --> 00:41:40,081
Speaker 2: where if I didn't do something, something was going to

936
00:41:40,121 --> 00:41:42,881
Speaker 2: happen to him. I had this I developed this fucking, horrible,

937
00:41:42,921 --> 00:41:45,601
Speaker 2: fucking a CD I was fruit with, you know, but

938
00:41:45,681 --> 00:41:47,681
Speaker 2: I always thought if I didn't do something, it was

939
00:41:47,721 --> 00:41:49,761
Speaker 2: something was going to happen to him. And like my

940
00:41:49,841 --> 00:41:52,881
Speaker 2: sister's written poems and things when she was young about

941
00:41:52,961 --> 00:41:55,321
Speaker 2: like worrying about him. It was it's weird. We all

942
00:41:55,361 --> 00:41:57,321
Speaker 2: felt like he could be somewhere else, and we all

943
00:41:57,361 --> 00:41:59,681
Speaker 2: sort of would feel things, you know, that he's riding soon,

944
00:42:00,121 --> 00:42:02,121
Speaker 2: we'd all be fucking stress and I which corner of

945
00:42:02,161 --> 00:42:04,201
Speaker 2: the country we are, Well, he's in the other side

946
00:42:04,201 --> 00:42:06,521
Speaker 2: of the world, and everyone will be thinking it's going

947
00:42:06,561 --> 00:42:07,881
Speaker 2: to be up soon. It's going to be up soon.

948
00:42:08,361 --> 00:42:10,601
Speaker 2: But on that day I was aware he's riding, but

949
00:42:11,681 --> 00:42:13,881
Speaker 2: it was it was strange. I didn't really you know,

950
00:42:13,921 --> 00:42:15,361
Speaker 2: I wasn't sort of pace and looking at the time.

951
00:42:15,401 --> 00:42:17,601
Speaker 2: When I got that phe with my sister, it was

952
00:42:18,441 --> 00:42:21,121
Speaker 2: complete fucking I could tell by a voice pretty quickly.

953
00:42:21,121 --> 00:42:26,921
Speaker 2: It wasn't that she said he's gone, and I thought

954
00:42:27,281 --> 00:42:29,961
Speaker 2: it was police because he was gone for a fucking

955
00:42:30,001 --> 00:42:35,361
Speaker 2: horrible court case for fucking years since twenty fifteen when

956
00:42:35,361 --> 00:42:38,801
Speaker 2: he broke his neck, and it was things are really

957
00:42:38,881 --> 00:42:42,081
Speaker 2: ramping up with that, and initially I thought, Okay, we

958
00:42:42,121 --> 00:42:44,481
Speaker 2: can sort this out. He's fucking gone, and coppers had

959
00:42:44,521 --> 00:42:47,001
Speaker 2: grabbed him or whatever I like. But then yeah, it

960
00:42:47,001 --> 00:42:51,001
Speaker 2: worked out, that's not what she was talking about. By

961
00:42:51,001 --> 00:42:53,841
Speaker 2: the name of Troy. A long time ago run an event,

962
00:42:53,961 --> 00:42:57,721
Speaker 2: my brother broke his neck through negligence. Well, the courts

963
00:42:57,761 --> 00:43:00,161
Speaker 2: didn't find that. They found it the other way. But

964
00:43:01,361 --> 00:43:03,321
Speaker 2: that went on for so long, ya and jay I

965
00:43:03,401 --> 00:43:04,881
Speaker 2: was never there to walk around on a walk and

966
00:43:04,881 --> 00:43:07,201
Speaker 2: st and make money out of it as soon as

967
00:43:07,201 --> 00:43:09,881
Speaker 2: he could his back on the bike. Competing went on

968
00:43:09,921 --> 00:43:12,361
Speaker 2: for years and years and the court found it the

969
00:43:12,401 --> 00:43:15,601
Speaker 2: other way. But something that was fucking wanting him for

970
00:43:16,361 --> 00:43:18,521
Speaker 2: in the last sort of six to twelve months was

971
00:43:19,161 --> 00:43:22,121
Speaker 2: the courts were coming after him for the compensation for

972
00:43:22,161 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 2: the fees. You know, he was he got looked after,

973
00:43:25,081 --> 00:43:27,881
Speaker 2: no win, no pay sort of thing. Next you know,

974
00:43:27,921 --> 00:43:30,361
Speaker 2: he's under all this pressure and he's getting fucking being

975
00:43:30,401 --> 00:43:32,321
Speaker 2: sent to him about how much he os. The only

976
00:43:32,361 --> 00:43:34,281
Speaker 2: way he can make a living is by going overseas.

977
00:43:34,281 --> 00:43:37,041
Speaker 2: They're trying to say he couldn't travel, and he's trying

978
00:43:37,081 --> 00:43:39,241
Speaker 2: to train for these big events and he's got that

979
00:43:39,681 --> 00:43:42,081
Speaker 2: going on in the background. He actually we had a

980
00:43:42,081 --> 00:43:44,321
Speaker 2: conversation and a lot of our chats were unfortunately we

981
00:43:44,321 --> 00:43:46,681
Speaker 2: were about negative shit, who's fucking letting him down? Or

982
00:43:46,921 --> 00:43:48,841
Speaker 2: who's fucking done this? Or what's the latest with this?

983
00:43:48,921 --> 00:43:51,881
Speaker 2: You know, he'd even said he had a helping him

984
00:43:51,881 --> 00:43:53,921
Speaker 2: out because he was about to just fucking cop it,

985
00:43:54,041 --> 00:43:56,601
Speaker 2: and just where he comes up with his money, who knows.

986
00:43:57,361 --> 00:44:00,401
Speaker 2: And he even said, like I can't handle this, Like

987
00:44:00,521 --> 00:44:03,521
Speaker 2: this is fucking He's not sleeping, he's stress and he's

988
00:44:03,521 --> 00:44:06,081
Speaker 2: got all this shit he's trying to do. He even said,

989
00:44:06,521 --> 00:44:08,361
Speaker 2: I'm going to have to be off the offline because

990
00:44:08,361 --> 00:44:11,561
Speaker 2: I'm trying to practice for this event. And yeah, I'll

991
00:44:11,561 --> 00:44:14,441
Speaker 2: never forgive that issue that didn't not to say that

992
00:44:14,481 --> 00:44:17,441
Speaker 2: played a role in the twenty first, but the fucking

993
00:44:17,561 --> 00:44:21,601
Speaker 2: mental stress he was that was putting on him is

994
00:44:21,841 --> 00:44:25,161
Speaker 2: fucking would say, it's fucking horrible. But one thing that

995
00:44:25,201 --> 00:44:27,761
Speaker 2: I am thankful of is two days before he's actually

996
00:44:27,801 --> 00:44:29,441
Speaker 2: we had a phone call for fucking an hour and

997
00:44:29,481 --> 00:44:32,321
Speaker 2: a half and we didn't talk. It wasn't common for

998
00:44:32,401 --> 00:44:33,921
Speaker 2: us to not talk about it because we want to help.

999
00:44:33,961 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 2: It's not to talk about the negative ship, but it's look,

1000
00:44:36,161 --> 00:44:38,281
Speaker 2: you know, what's going on, what's the latest. We had

1001
00:44:38,521 --> 00:44:40,241
Speaker 2: a chat a couple of days before and there was

1002
00:44:40,241 --> 00:44:42,801
Speaker 2: nothing even mentioned about bikes. It was just talking about

1003
00:44:42,801 --> 00:44:45,361
Speaker 2: normal ship. That's again that's something to hold on too,

1004
00:44:45,361 --> 00:44:47,881
Speaker 2: that we had a good chat rather than talking about

1005
00:44:47,881 --> 00:44:49,881
Speaker 2: the fucking people, the stress he was under, all the

1006
00:44:49,881 --> 00:44:52,321
Speaker 2: people that are let him down, but pitch all this

1007
00:44:52,321 --> 00:44:54,801
Speaker 2: stuff going on in the background, but then someone still

1008
00:44:54,801 --> 00:44:56,361
Speaker 2: turned up to an event and do what he does,

1009
00:44:56,521 --> 00:44:59,241
Speaker 2: or someone taking time after riding to go and see

1010
00:44:59,241 --> 00:45:02,281
Speaker 2: a young kid, and there's there's countless parents that have

1011
00:45:02,361 --> 00:45:04,601
Speaker 2: come out and said what he the effort he made

1012
00:45:04,641 --> 00:45:06,841
Speaker 2: was this and taking it in the park to keep

1013
00:45:06,841 --> 00:45:09,201
Speaker 2: it fooding or this or that. To be able to

1014
00:45:09,201 --> 00:45:10,721
Speaker 2: do that, have all that shit going on in your

1015
00:45:10,721 --> 00:45:13,321
Speaker 2: head and then be tough and mentally tough enough to

1016
00:45:13,841 --> 00:45:17,161
Speaker 2: still turn up and still put your foot forward. That

1017
00:45:17,281 --> 00:45:20,841
Speaker 2: to me is what a fucking legend is, not the trophies.

1018
00:45:21,281 --> 00:45:23,281
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go into too much detail because

1019
00:45:23,281 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: I don't think it's it's right, but I will say

1020
00:45:25,481 --> 00:45:28,401
Speaker 1: to this, I'm going to let both of yous. I

1021
00:45:28,401 --> 00:45:31,841
Speaker 1: think what you've just said then is massive anyway, But

1022
00:45:31,961 --> 00:45:34,521
Speaker 1: for you bet it's a hard subject to go into

1023
00:45:35,081 --> 00:45:38,041
Speaker 1: even to talk about after it, you know, because it's

1024
00:45:38,081 --> 00:45:40,201
Speaker 1: a no brainer. What is all going through after you

1025
00:45:40,201 --> 00:45:41,201
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So I'm not going to ask

1026
00:45:41,241 --> 00:45:45,601
Speaker 1: you that, but I will let you say in your

1027
00:45:45,601 --> 00:45:49,121
Speaker 1: own words anything that you both want to about him

1028
00:45:49,361 --> 00:45:51,601
Speaker 1: that you want to get out there, because I think

1029
00:45:51,721 --> 00:45:53,721
Speaker 1: me saying oh, what was it like? What were you

1030
00:45:53,761 --> 00:45:56,081
Speaker 1: going through after? It's you know what I mean? That's

1031
00:45:56,081 --> 00:45:58,081
Speaker 1: to me, that's a silly question. Yeah, you know what

1032
00:45:58,161 --> 00:45:58,401
Speaker 1: I mean.

1033
00:45:59,161 --> 00:46:01,881
Speaker 3: I think everything you're saying, Ryan is it's hard. It's

1034
00:46:01,921 --> 00:46:05,681
Speaker 3: hard to describe. People don't know these things, and it's

1035
00:46:05,681 --> 00:46:08,281
Speaker 3: hard to describe it because of how much that his

1036
00:46:08,481 --> 00:46:12,281
Speaker 3: hard work ethic was the biggest thing that we try

1037
00:46:12,321 --> 00:46:14,321
Speaker 3: to get across, because I think a lot of people

1038
00:46:14,401 --> 00:46:16,841
Speaker 3: think things were given to him, and on Instagram it

1039
00:46:16,921 --> 00:46:19,641
Speaker 3: looked like, you know, lived this amazing life and got

1040
00:46:19,681 --> 00:46:23,681
Speaker 3: all these opportunities. But he was so humble, so so humble,

1041
00:46:23,721 --> 00:46:25,441
Speaker 3: to the point that I don't even think he knew

1042
00:46:26,201 --> 00:46:29,041
Speaker 3: if he had somewhat made it. He was so kind

1043
00:46:29,121 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 3: and gentle. He was very tough, like militant, tough, very

1044
00:46:33,281 --> 00:46:36,281
Speaker 3: strong minded, strong world, but people don't know the side

1045
00:46:36,321 --> 00:46:38,321
Speaker 3: of him that he was so soft and caring. He

1046
00:46:38,361 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 3: would do anything for anyone. Loyalty was massive, to him

1047
00:46:41,561 --> 00:46:44,561
Speaker 3: so loyal. Yeah, he was just amazing. He was funny,

1048
00:46:44,561 --> 00:46:47,441
Speaker 3: He's always good to be around, and he yeah, had

1049
00:46:47,481 --> 00:46:51,001
Speaker 3: all these things going on that we got to you know,

1050
00:46:51,081 --> 00:46:53,641
Speaker 3: me watching what he went through and how he would

1051
00:46:53,681 --> 00:46:56,521
Speaker 3: push Like that's impacted me on my life and how

1052
00:46:56,601 --> 00:46:59,921
Speaker 3: I want to live because of how tough he was.

1053
00:46:59,961 --> 00:47:00,321
Speaker 2: He was the.

1054
00:47:00,281 --> 00:47:03,681
Speaker 1: Best out of all his little habits. What's the most

1055
00:47:03,761 --> 00:47:06,761
Speaker 1: you miss about that money?

1056
00:47:06,881 --> 00:47:08,801
Speaker 3: He was so funny and he just would come out

1057
00:47:08,841 --> 00:47:13,401
Speaker 3: with these random little sayings and he was just I

1058
00:47:13,441 --> 00:47:16,161
Speaker 3: could never meet anybody like him because he was so

1059
00:47:16,321 --> 00:47:18,841
Speaker 3: witty and funny. And I think that was one big

1060
00:47:18,881 --> 00:47:20,881
Speaker 3: thing that we bonded over at the start is we

1061
00:47:20,921 --> 00:47:23,201
Speaker 3: had the same sense of humor. And so a lot

1062
00:47:23,241 --> 00:47:25,401
Speaker 3: of the time when I'm out, when I'm around people,

1063
00:47:25,481 --> 00:47:27,681
Speaker 3: I can hear like someone will say something, and in

1064
00:47:27,721 --> 00:47:29,601
Speaker 3: my head, I hear exactly what he would say back

1065
00:47:29,641 --> 00:47:29,841
Speaker 3: to it.

1066
00:47:29,961 --> 00:47:31,361
Speaker 1: And that's the biggest thing I missed.

1067
00:47:31,681 --> 00:47:33,921
Speaker 3: His funny little things. He's funny.

1068
00:47:34,161 --> 00:47:35,241
Speaker 1: What are you rome?

1069
00:47:36,441 --> 00:47:39,121
Speaker 2: I think I touched on some of it just before,

1070
00:47:39,201 --> 00:47:43,401
Speaker 2: But take the motorbikes society. He's loyalty. Family is everything.

1071
00:47:44,361 --> 00:47:47,881
Speaker 2: The loyalty showed to his friends, and his family was

1072
00:47:47,961 --> 00:47:51,361
Speaker 2: fucking incredible. You know, you got nieces and nephews and

1073
00:47:52,801 --> 00:47:56,921
Speaker 2: that overpowers fucking everything. And I said, I read out

1074
00:47:56,921 --> 00:47:59,601
Speaker 2: at the funeral or something. Look, we all know about

1075
00:47:59,601 --> 00:48:01,801
Speaker 2: the bikes, and that was his goals. But he had

1076
00:48:01,921 --> 00:48:06,121
Speaker 2: another fucking goal and that's the one thing I guess

1077
00:48:06,121 --> 00:48:08,641
Speaker 2: he didn't get to do. But that was to have

1078
00:48:08,641 --> 00:48:10,921
Speaker 2: have kids of his own, and you be able to

1079
00:48:10,921 --> 00:48:12,761
Speaker 2: provide and have kids of his own, and that that

1080
00:48:12,921 --> 00:48:15,481
Speaker 2: was that was really what he was. That was about,

1081
00:48:15,841 --> 00:48:19,601
Speaker 2: that's I'm a construction worker. That was how he thought

1082
00:48:19,641 --> 00:48:22,801
Speaker 2: he could push the limits and provide to them and

1083
00:48:23,161 --> 00:48:25,801
Speaker 2: have the family. You know. So I mean you look

1084
00:48:25,841 --> 00:48:27,641
Speaker 2: at that, you look at the bloke, you know, you

1085
00:48:27,681 --> 00:48:29,601
Speaker 2: could you could look at people of that and stereotop

1086
00:48:29,641 --> 00:48:33,161
Speaker 2: of you. He was fucking at a gentle giant, but

1087
00:48:33,281 --> 00:48:34,201
Speaker 2: he's also tough.

1088
00:48:35,081 --> 00:48:37,321
Speaker 1: What would you describe him in one word? Two words

1089
00:48:37,401 --> 00:48:38,161
Speaker 1: for one word?

1090
00:48:41,201 --> 00:48:44,801
Speaker 2: I just think he's a legend. Like people throw the

1091
00:48:44,801 --> 00:48:47,281
Speaker 2: word legend around, you know, it's someone who's good at

1092
00:48:47,321 --> 00:48:49,841
Speaker 2: sport or someone who's good at this legend is someone

1093
00:48:50,201 --> 00:48:52,881
Speaker 2: that affected and had impact on so many people like

1094
00:48:52,961 --> 00:48:54,601
Speaker 2: he did. And you know what he probably didn't know

1095
00:48:54,641 --> 00:48:56,441
Speaker 2: that as best, and he didn't know that that that

1096
00:48:56,521 --> 00:48:58,921
Speaker 2: thing that someone wrote on Instagram about not knowing he

1097
00:48:59,041 --> 00:49:02,521
Speaker 2: made it that that is true. And there's people all

1098
00:49:02,521 --> 00:49:04,201
Speaker 2: around the fing world, and like you say, it's a

1099
00:49:04,241 --> 00:49:07,241
Speaker 2: shame that something this happens for people to come out

1100
00:49:07,681 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 2: and some people that have written things, I know deep

1101
00:49:09,961 --> 00:49:11,921
Speaker 2: down inside it's a beautiful thing they've written, but they

1102
00:49:11,961 --> 00:49:14,881
Speaker 2: didn't fucking act like that. You know they didn't. He

1103
00:49:14,921 --> 00:49:18,241
Speaker 2: didn't know. So in terms of my life now, if

1104
00:49:18,281 --> 00:49:22,201
Speaker 2: someone said to me, how would this affect you? If

1105
00:49:22,921 --> 00:49:26,361
Speaker 2: they imagine losing your brother, how could you put into words,

1106
00:49:26,361 --> 00:49:28,721
Speaker 2: I'd be on the fucking ground. I wouldn't be functioning.

1107
00:49:29,281 --> 00:49:33,081
Speaker 2: But as Beth said, the way that our family and

1108
00:49:33,121 --> 00:49:37,081
Speaker 2: Beth and people are able to fucking drop use this

1109
00:49:37,121 --> 00:49:40,721
Speaker 2: as fucking motivation is incredible, like how my mom and

1110
00:49:40,761 --> 00:49:45,281
Speaker 2: my dad, my sister, how and Beth Beth is fucking incredible,

1111
00:49:45,361 --> 00:49:48,441
Speaker 2: like the strength that everyone's got. And my life is

1112
00:49:48,441 --> 00:49:51,241
Speaker 2: different now because you know, you don't have an option

1113
00:49:51,401 --> 00:49:53,681
Speaker 2: to not react and keep it going. We've got I've

1114
00:49:53,681 --> 00:49:55,521
Speaker 2: got a little daughter, i let a family. Now you

1115
00:49:56,361 --> 00:49:57,761
Speaker 2: just have to put your best foot forward and that's

1116
00:49:57,801 --> 00:50:00,681
Speaker 2: what he did. You don't give up, you can't.

1117
00:50:00,721 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: You know, how would you keep his legacy going?

1118
00:50:03,001 --> 00:50:03,681
Speaker 3: Talk about him?

1119
00:50:03,841 --> 00:50:04,521
Speaker 2: Talk about him?

1120
00:50:04,561 --> 00:50:05,881
Speaker 3: I mean, keep saying his name.

1121
00:50:06,001 --> 00:50:07,201
Speaker 1: I was nervous coming in today.

1122
00:50:07,241 --> 00:50:08,441
Speaker 2: We're being fucking down, I.

1123
00:50:08,401 --> 00:50:09,801
Speaker 1: Can tell you, and nervous when you walked in.

1124
00:50:09,961 --> 00:50:14,361
Speaker 2: But I talked to people at work who don't know

1125
00:50:14,641 --> 00:50:17,321
Speaker 2: anything about my brother. Yeah, but it'll come up because

1126
00:50:17,321 --> 00:50:19,641
Speaker 2: I don't. You don't want to be someone who you

1127
00:50:19,681 --> 00:50:22,721
Speaker 2: know it always is talking about the down stuff or whatever.

1128
00:50:22,761 --> 00:50:25,161
Speaker 2: But it's it's it's in a positive way. It's we

1129
00:50:25,161 --> 00:50:27,521
Speaker 2: did this, we did that. So I think talking about him,

1130
00:50:27,721 --> 00:50:31,041
Speaker 2: you know, and the impact he's already had on older people,

1131
00:50:31,161 --> 00:50:34,921
Speaker 2: younger people, kiss that there is is his legacy, you know.

1132
00:50:35,081 --> 00:50:36,681
Speaker 2: I think that's a special part.

1133
00:50:37,161 --> 00:50:40,121
Speaker 1: Well. I hope this interview, like about your brother, and

1134
00:50:40,201 --> 00:50:43,081
Speaker 1: I like that has helped, and I hope I can

1135
00:50:43,121 --> 00:50:45,001
Speaker 1: get it out there, you know, about him, and keep

1136
00:50:45,041 --> 00:50:48,481
Speaker 1: that legacy going. I hope we've done everything that you wanted.

1137
00:50:48,761 --> 00:50:51,521
Speaker 1: If there isn't to me now, will keep talking on.

1138
00:50:52,961 --> 00:50:54,121
Speaker 1: I don't care about I.

1139
00:50:54,041 --> 00:50:56,201
Speaker 2: Just want to say beth on myself coming on here

1140
00:50:56,281 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 2: to talk about jo. This is not your usual thing,

1141
00:50:59,521 --> 00:51:02,121
Speaker 2: but thanks for having us on it. Okay, that means

1142
00:51:02,321 --> 00:51:05,521
Speaker 2: so much to us to come on here. But I

1143
00:51:05,521 --> 00:51:08,441
Speaker 2: think the message is, like we've talked about, some eighs

1144
00:51:08,481 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 2: and some lows, and it's not to make people feel

1145
00:51:10,481 --> 00:51:12,961
Speaker 2: sorry for him. It's just to show that if you

1146
00:51:13,081 --> 00:51:15,641
Speaker 2: fucking support someone and if someone's got the right mindset

1147
00:51:15,921 --> 00:51:18,561
Speaker 2: to never give up, you can achieve it. Say to

1148
00:51:18,561 --> 00:51:20,201
Speaker 2: sit here and say, oh, well, maybe I wish we

1149
00:51:20,241 --> 00:51:22,361
Speaker 2: got into golf and you'd still be here. He had

1150
00:51:22,361 --> 00:51:24,961
Speaker 2: these goals and that was his drive and motivation and

1151
00:51:25,001 --> 00:51:27,401
Speaker 2: as hard as it is to say, he fucking lived

1152
00:51:27,481 --> 00:51:29,401
Speaker 2: what he was here to do. He lived that life

1153
00:51:29,641 --> 00:51:31,801
Speaker 2: and he got to do it in a short time.

1154
00:51:32,321 --> 00:51:35,601
Speaker 2: So I think the main message is fucking don't give

1155
00:51:35,681 --> 00:51:37,441
Speaker 2: up and don't give up on people.

1156
00:51:37,761 --> 00:51:40,321
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was his story. He used to everything that

1157
00:51:40,361 --> 00:51:42,481
Speaker 3: went wrong. He would say, one day I'm going to

1158
00:51:42,481 --> 00:51:44,361
Speaker 3: write a book or one day I'll have a documentary,

1159
00:51:44,361 --> 00:51:46,201
Speaker 3: and this is just going to make it so much

1160
00:51:46,201 --> 00:51:48,761
Speaker 3: better because people will see I never had anything handed

1161
00:51:48,801 --> 00:51:51,401
Speaker 3: to me. So thanks for coming, thank you, thank you

1162
00:51:51,721 --> 00:51:52,401
Speaker 3: for having us