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Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.

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Speaker 1: It's Tuesday, August nineteen, twenty twenty five. Federal Court Justice

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Speaker 1: Michael Lee has slugged Quantus a whooping ninety million dollars

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Speaker 1: for unlawfully sacking eighteen hundred ground crew during the COVID pandemic.

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Speaker 1: Fifty million of that will be paid to the Transport

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Speaker 1: Workers Union and forty million to be shared by the workers.

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Speaker 1: The big wigs of economics and politics gathering Canberra today

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Speaker 1: for Jim Chalmers and Anthony Albanesi's Economic reform roundtable. You

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Speaker 1: can follow the news live all day at the Australian

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Speaker 1: dot com dot A huge cultural change is underway as

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Speaker 1: nine Entertainment tries to fix its bloky image and now

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Speaker 1: its senior female figures feeling the heat. Today, Media Diary

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Speaker 1: editor Steve Jackson on the drama inside nine's culture revamp.

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Speaker 1: Steve Jackson writes the Media Diary column in The Australian,

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Speaker 1: and this week he's broken a story about a former

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Speaker 1: senior executive at Channel nine, Amanda Patterson, who received a

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Speaker 1: big discount at a clothing store. JACKO, what's this story about?

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Speaker 2: Amanda Patterson was in charge of Ninth News operations in

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Speaker 2: Queensland for the better part of a decade. She became

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Speaker 2: a big story last year when she was unceremoniously sacked

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Speaker 2: via a zoom call by the network's new head of

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Speaker 2: News and Current Affairs, Fiona Dear. That led to her

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Speaker 2: suing the company for an unlawful dismissal. She received a

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Speaker 2: big payout we understand confidential payout in February this year.

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Speaker 2: Fast forward a few months and she's out having a

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Speaker 2: lunch in inner city Brisbane with a couple of girlfriends

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Speaker 2: and they decide let's go do a little bit of

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Speaker 2: clothes shopping. Amanda apparently had a suit she wanted to return.

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Speaker 2: They've gone to quite a high end boutique, Colors and

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Speaker 2: Patty on James Street in Brisbane, and Amanda's picked up

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Speaker 2: four thousand dollars worth of clothes, a red velvet suit

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Speaker 2: and a couple of jackets. And all this is by

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Speaker 2: the by its find just you know, three women out

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Speaker 2: doing a little bit of shopping. But when she's gone

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Speaker 2: to pay for it, there's been something of an incident. Now,

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Speaker 2: there are a few different versions of what happened. Some

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Speaker 2: people say that Amanda requested a Channel nine discount worth

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Speaker 2: fifty percent, so a markdown of two thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: And this is designed for people who are on air,

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Speaker 1: because it's an amazing way to promote your clothing, right.

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Speaker 2: The idea is that their dresses or the garments are

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Speaker 2: and it's effectively a very cheap ad for them. So

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Speaker 2: there's some suggestions she requests a Channel nine discount. Of course, Patterson,

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Speaker 2: she tells me that she was simply offered, that she'd

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Speaker 2: gone in, and that the sales assistant had said, hey,

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Speaker 2: weren't you at a fashion show a year ago sitting

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Speaker 2: on a nine table? I recognize you. Would you like

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Speaker 2: the Channel nine discount two thousand dollars off? Now this

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Speaker 2: interaction has gotten back to Channel nine and they're not happy.

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Speaker 2: Obviously they've parted ways in acrimonious circumstances with Patterson, and

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Speaker 2: they've gotten in touch with her and said, hey, you

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Speaker 2: can't go around pretending you still work for us, or

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Speaker 2: claiming you still work for us. Patterson says she never

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Speaker 2: claims she did. What's undeniable is that she knowingly accepted

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Speaker 2: it's whether she has been letting people think that she

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Speaker 1: Did she repay the money in the end?

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Speaker 2: My understanding is no, she hasn't repaid the money, but

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Speaker 1: There's another senior nine entertainment figure who's been featuring in

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Speaker 1: your column. This is Amy McCarthy, the executive producer of

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Speaker 1: A current affair, famous for very elbows out journalism. Akka

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Speaker 1: is a show which takes no prisoners. It's very aggressive.

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Speaker 1: It delivers great results often for its viewers and for

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Speaker 2: Do you have any comment you'd like to make?

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Speaker 1: Do you think you should be allowed to continue working

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Speaker 1: in childcare? You've been living in this property while Margie's

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Speaker 1: been trying to sell it to pay for Philip's age care.

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Speaker 1: How about you sue? What name we're using today? Who

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Speaker 1: is it today? Sir?

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Speaker 2: I can't keep up with all of these names.

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Speaker 1: What's the story? About Amy McCarthy.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's quite interesting Amy McCarthy. She's been in the

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Speaker 2: of a year now, so she went along to the logis.

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Speaker 2: Now she's decided to do something that I think most

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Speaker 2: never a great formula for success. She's at the logis

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Speaker 2: and she's posting about how you know she's going to

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Speaker 2: incriminating evidence from the supposedly big night hadn't been detailed. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: one part of it had been, and that was a

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Speaker 2: photo she'd taken of Jimmy Barnes performing on stage with

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Speaker 2: the message deserves a spot on the grid hashtag would

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Speaker 2: still do him. Obviously, this was something that was a joke,

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Speaker 2: you'd imagine, but it's been shared throughout the office and

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Speaker 2: the network. By the time I was made aware of it,

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Speaker 2: I think it had done the rounds of pretty much

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Speaker 2: every newsroom in the network in the country, and the

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Speaker 2: issue at stake was he's a female boss posting messages

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Speaker 2: about Jimmy Barnes. If a male boss had made similar

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Speaker 2: comments about someone like Marsha Heinz or Delta Goodroom, how

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Speaker 2: would that have been received. So the issue Nine had

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Speaker 2: made a very strong stance on cultural reform at the network.

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Speaker 2: They want to modernize it, ensure that everyone works in

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Speaker 2: a respectful environment which has to be admired and one

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Speaker 2: rule for some one rule for another. That's not going

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Speaker 2: to wash with their staff. So something that has been

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Speaker 2: questions raised about the appropriateness of making these comments, whether

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Speaker 1: The context of this is Nine Entertainment has two point

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Speaker 1: six billion dollars in revenue parandum. It's an absolutely massive

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Speaker 1: organization which owns the Nine network, television station, the stand

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Speaker 1: and the Age. It's a huge employer in Australian media,

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Speaker 1: but profit is down thirty percent to one hundred and

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Speaker 1: it's had to go through a huge cultural change since

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Speaker 1: the highlight our audience would remember of former chairman Peter

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Speaker 1: Castello knocking to the ground the Australians reporter Liam Mendez

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Speaker 1: when he tried to ask Peter Costello about cultural issues

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Speaker 1: It's all on camera, mister Cassello. They commissioned to report

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Speaker 1: said that female staff felt that they weren't listened to,

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Speaker 1: that there was a culture of bullying. Now they've got

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Speaker 2: It It is? I think once you go down that

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Speaker 2: zero tolerance on comments of this nature. Be they jokes,

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Speaker 2: Stanton basically has said zero tolerance, we're just not going

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Speaker 2: to have any of this. And if there's zero tolerance,

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Speaker 2: everyone knows the rules and there'll be no problems. But

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Speaker 2: rooms So what it means is, I suppose the jocular

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Speaker 2: era journalists are quite famous for having gallows humor in

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Speaker 2: so I have to say credit to them. If you're

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Speaker 1: To everyone coming up. How do you fix a culture

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Speaker 1: like Nines? It's a huge ship to turn around the

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Speaker 1: culture of an organization like that, isn't it? Because Nine

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Speaker 1: was famous under the ownership of the Packer family for

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Speaker 1: might say that standards in the workplace were a little

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Speaker 1: more loose than in other places. That was drinking on

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Speaker 1: the premise. There were huge parties, There were lavish gifts

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Speaker 1: from the employers to all the staff, immense marketing campaigns

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Speaker 1: where we take over Bronte Beach and spend three days

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Speaker 1: shooting an ad campaign. How do the new managers of Nine,

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Speaker 1: who have got to run at like a twenty first

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Speaker 2: The largest there has been a topic of legend for decades.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we're talking about a TV network that famously

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Speaker 2: all staff were invited to on a Friday night. Now,

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Speaker 2: the theory behind that was put on drinks for all

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Speaker 2: your journals and execs on a Friday night, and they

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Speaker 2: effectively do hours of free over time because they come

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Speaker 2: do and the idea was the bonding session. But really

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Speaker 2: hours extra. I think those days of go on for

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Speaker 2: every enterprise you know, be there, a banker and accountancy firm,

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Speaker 2: and it is a massive cultural shift. It's part of

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Speaker 2: But even the industry is itself being more professional and

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Speaker 2: we're seeing this within nine going all right, well, this

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Speaker 2: is what our shareholders expect, it's what our audiences expect.

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Speaker 2: There is a responsibility on us to have impeccable behavior

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Speaker 2: As you say, with the current affair, something dodgy happens

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Speaker 2: So if they're going to give it out, they've got

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Speaker 2: gradual process. You can't just be the fun police and

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Speaker 2: what's appropriate to put on social media, because that's the

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Speaker 2: someone at the table next to you, obviously, but making

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Speaker 2: that's a very different question. And we saw that again

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Speaker 2: this week with an email that was sent into a

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Speaker 2: Current Affair asking could the host of a Current Affair,

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Speaker 2: Alison Langdon, refer to police officers as such rather than

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Speaker 2: this day and age again zero tolerance, there's not much

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Speaker 2: wiggle room anymore.

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Speaker 1: But is there a risk that as media organizations kind

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Speaker 1: of corporatize that they lose the magic. You know, do

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Speaker 1: you end up crushing the magic of stars like say

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Speaker 1: Karl Steffanovic, who said this year's logis he wish they

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Speaker 1: were a little bit more fun. He's beloved by the

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Speaker 1: audience because he's cheeky and quirky and different and a

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Speaker 1: little bit edgy. Is there a risk there of making

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Speaker 1: it too bland?

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Speaker 2: Oh definitely. And Carl's a great example because at the

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Speaker 2: as we all know, it's to inform, but importantly it's

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Speaker 2: here to entertain as well, So you can't take out

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Speaker 2: that cheeky edge. I mean, that's why Carl's successful. It's

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Speaker 2: why it's on three million dollars a year. Let's face

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Speaker 2: it is because he's having fun and people see that

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Speaker 2: and they have fun listening to him. So you don't

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Speaker 2: public affairs program every night of the week. Still, Karl

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Speaker 2: there will be slip ups plus people also human. You know,

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Speaker 2: something they later regretted, I mean, would all be doing well.

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Speaker 2: But unfortunately that's not the world we live in.

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