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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Heart of It. We would

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Speaker 1: like to acknowledge the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation,

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Speaker 1: the traditional custodians of this land, and pay our respects

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Speaker 1: to the elders, both past and present. My name's Cam Daddo,

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Speaker 1: Mal Daddo. This is fun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we get to introduce a chat that we had

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Speaker 2: with Australian country music Burgeoning on legend.

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Speaker 3: Star Casey Barnes's gorgeous wife Michelle, who's also a musician.

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Speaker 3: We found now as well when we had our chat

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Speaker 3: with them, and you know Casey's music.

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Speaker 1: And life story.

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Speaker 3: They're so deeply rooted in themes of love and you'll

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Speaker 3: really hear that in our chat with them, how much

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Speaker 3: they love each other and they love their music.

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Speaker 1: They share insights on maintaining a very strong partnership, oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: and they deal with a lot they've overcome challenges and

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Speaker 1: blissfully finding hope and peace through music.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 3: Casey really turns his personal experiences into relatable anthems and

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Speaker 3: we thought that that's why they would make the perfect

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Speaker 3: guest for the Heart.

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Speaker 4: Of It, right and they were.

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Speaker 3: They got to the heart of it in such a

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Speaker 3: beautiful way he talks about the proposal.

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Speaker 1: Of which is pretty funny. Absolutely, we realize that they've

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Speaker 1: got a shared favorite destination on the northern New South

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Speaker 1: Wales coast, so you'll hear about that as well.

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Speaker 3: And of course we share something with them, our daughters.

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Speaker 3: They've got two daughters. We have obviously two daughters and

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Speaker 3: a son. But our two girls their love of music

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Speaker 3: and they're beginning to well, certainly our youngest is setting

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's a great chat. Please enjoy. It's a

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Speaker 1: fabulous chat and we loved it. Yeah, yeah, Please welcome

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Speaker 1: Casey and Michelle Barnes. Welcome Casey and Michelle to the

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Speaker 1: heart of it. How how did you meet?

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Speaker 5: Who's going to tell that one we met?

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Speaker 6: I used to do a regular Sunday afternoon acoustic gig.

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Speaker 6: That's what I started out doing on the Gold Case,

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Speaker 6: you know, probably twenty years ago, and I was playing

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Speaker 6: this little Sunday afternoon gig and Michelle just happened to

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Speaker 6: take it from there.

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Speaker 7: Oh that's nice, okay, lisas a group of friends, he's

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Speaker 7: being very nice. I was actually with my boyfriend at

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Speaker 7: the time who and his friends as well, but they

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Speaker 4: Like, who is this guy? He is so good?

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Speaker 7: So we went over and started listening to him, and

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Speaker 7: as actually my boyfriend at the time, became Casey's biggest fan,

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Speaker 7: so he would make me go to all of these

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Speaker 7: gifts with him. But we were definitely not looking at

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Speaker 7: each other as boyfriend and girlfriend because I'm five years

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Speaker 7: older than Casey.

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Speaker 4: So for me at the time, I just saw him as.

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Speaker 7: This really great young guy who was super professional and

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Speaker 7: so we weren't even really looking at each other in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, when was the tipping point that you both realized,

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Speaker 3: hang on a minute, is this more than a friendship?

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Speaker 4: Ridgit Jones is diary. That'll do it.

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Speaker 7: We went to a movie and we used to play

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Speaker 7: tricks and it was really funny. We'd pretend we were

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Speaker 7: we'd we'd have these little jokes that we'd say at

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Speaker 7: on this really awkward date or something. So he'd be like, oh,

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Speaker 7: so are you going to pay fifty percent? And I'd

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Speaker 4: Oh, this is awkward. And anyway, it was just all

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Speaker 7: But then we're being silly and then we're kind of

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Speaker 7: And I started laughing. I was like what, no, no,

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Speaker 7: what were we doing this whole time?

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Speaker 4: We are just so meant to be together. Everyone else

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Speaker 5: I'm going to But in my version of the story

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Speaker 5: is slightly different. As soon as I saw Michelle, I knew,

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Speaker 6: Like as soon as she walked up, I was I

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Speaker 6: independent CD at the time, you know, and Michelle walked

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Speaker 6: You know, probably not to the scale of where it's

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Speaker 7: The best she just I think you when you're dating someone,

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Speaker 7: But for us, we kind of knew everything about each other.

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Speaker 4: Like what's and all, so it was sort of.

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Speaker 7: Like it was a really nice way to sort of

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Speaker 4: It was just so authentic and real. Yeah, that's so true.

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Speaker 1: Do you think you're if you think remember back to

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Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, to the point where I think we're

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Speaker 6: And it's like, and I think we'd both we'd both

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Speaker 6: and so I think we're a bit apprehensive. We wanted

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Speaker 3: So that was Yeah, Michelle, is your ex boyfriend still

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Speaker 3: Casey's number?

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Speaker 4: One fan or has that changed now. It's a good point,

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Speaker 4: I think so. I think he did actually come to

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Speaker 5: He's a really nice guy. He's a lovely guy.

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Speaker 3: He's got good chase taste in music and women clearly, so.

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Speaker 4: We kind of owe it to him. Really let you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay, Casey, give us give us the gossip

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Speaker 3: on the how you asked Michelle to marry you.

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Speaker 4: How was that experience? Funny?

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Speaker 5: It wasn't. It was an orthodox it was.

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Speaker 6: It could be interpreted in probably two different ways depending

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Speaker 6: you're a super widow stalker. But we were both We

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Speaker 6: were both involved in music at the time, and Michelle

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Speaker 6: In hindsight, when I look back at that, there's a

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Speaker 5: It does sound a little bit weird.

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Speaker 7: And well it was because I'd had this really creepy

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Speaker 7: You know, this really weird guy and he kept kind

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Speaker 7: So I'm thinking, this crazy stalker guy has put something

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Speaker 4: Oh, look, it was hilarious. So I was not for

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Speaker 7: Because he knows i'd be onto it, Like if he

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Speaker 7: You know, he knew, so he had to do something

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Speaker 7: that was way left field, and it was it was

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Speaker 4: I don't want to open it. You open it, you

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Speaker 7: It was just so funny with my girlfriend. And then yeah,

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Speaker 4: My god, it's gorgeous. Wow, it's really beautiful. It's really unique.

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Speaker 7: like that's out of control. And yeah, so I just

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Speaker 7: one knee in the car PA. I was very funny.

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Speaker 7: It was so cool because I just did not see

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well done, well done, Casey. You went out of

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Speaker 1: Well done.

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Speaker 5: It's a little different.

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Speaker 3: Michelle, tell us a little bit about you, as we've

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Speaker 3: said you know, Casey, we know a lot more about

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Speaker 3: but you so you actually are a singer where a singer,

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you use it more than I do, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: For sure, Which is we live in two very different

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Speaker 4: I'm just going this is just so removed from where

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Speaker 6: Your eldest daughter has just is into music as well,

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Speaker 3: When we saw your daughter, I was like, they looked

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Speaker 5: They need to become friends.

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Speaker 6: I was as well because I saw that and I

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Speaker 5: We've sort of, you know, introduced them to music.

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Speaker 5: Put it that way, it's like it's crazy.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think my mom my mom was the one

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Speaker 6: And she would loan me the notebook and her acoustic

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Speaker 5: That was before before the internet and all that stuff.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely absolutely, And there's so many weird, serendipitous things

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Speaker 6: But funnily enough, fast forward to I think it was

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Speaker 4: Even the biggest spin out about that.

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Speaker 7: Yes, he picked me out of the audience, Like I

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Speaker 7: Yeah I knew it too, but he's just like you,

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Speaker 7: and I just was, like I was like Courtney Cox

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Speaker 7: And then it was funny because we were in Mudgie

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Speaker 1: It just just happened to karaoke, and I do know

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Speaker 7: He said and as I started singing, because they normally

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Speaker 4: And then I started and of course I'm singing the harmony. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: It was really really cool, so we both got our

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Speaker 5: Or at home at home? It's constancy.

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Speaker 6: It's like I'll walk in if I've been out for

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Speaker 6: and sometimes you know, they'll get into like a three

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Speaker 7: We're not the Partridge family who sit around, you know,

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Speaker 3: Sadly, that's me, Michelle one in the family. I can

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Speaker 1: Him, she's the biggest fan. Lotus, lotus and body just start.

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Speaker 4: That makes me cry.

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Speaker 6: It's just like you need to reenact that scene out

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Speaker 1: That would be Michelle take This question usually goes to

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Speaker 7: Gosh, you know, it's been hard. It's been really really hard.

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Speaker 7: You know, he was he was having a career for many, many,

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Speaker 4: We really need to get behind him.

443
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,919
Speaker 7: So it's been really wonderful since Chug he's been on board.

444
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 4: But in the daily life of a country artist, I mean,

445
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 4: it's just.

446
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 7: Him working so hard, Like I think people just imagine

447
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,399
Speaker 7: it as you just you know, you go and do

448
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 7: a gig and it's great and that's all you do

449
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:40,400
Speaker 7: kind of thing.

450
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,880
Speaker 4: But he is on email all.

451
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:48,360
Speaker 7: Day every day, He's rehearsing his you know, it's a

452
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 7: constant constant slog He's never clocking off, that's for sure.

453
00:22:54,760 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 6: Casey, you agree with all that she got it right, well, absolutely,

454
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 6: But I think the other thing is, you know, there's

455
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:07,159
Speaker 6: absolutely no way that I'd be here doing this and

456
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 6: would have kept doing it for so long if it

457
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 6: wasn't for Michelle, and they've been I literally just just

458
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,879
Speaker 6: wrote a song which will hopefully be on my next album,

459
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,680
Speaker 6: which is literally telling the story of.

460
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 5: What it's been like and having the support from Michelle.

461
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,639
Speaker 6: And it's called The Woman That You Are, and and

462
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 6: it sort of touches on many many times where I've

463
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,879
Speaker 6: you know, had those conversations of I don't know if

464
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 6: I can keep doing this. I don't know if I

465
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 6: can keep writing this emotional rollercoaster of the highs and

466
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:41,680
Speaker 6: the lows and the knockbacks, and then you'll get this

467
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 6: lucky break that'll keep you going, and then there'll be

468
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:46,640
Speaker 6: another little setback.

469
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 5: But I've been very, very lucky.

470
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 6: As Michelle said, you know, since you know, getting Chuggy

471
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 6: on board, which sort of started as a joke in

472
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,639
Speaker 6: a studio when we were recording one of my previous albums.

473
00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 6: The boys sort of said, you know, we think this

474
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 6: is your your best album yet you really need to

475
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 6: get the right team behind you. And who would you

476
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 6: if you had your wish list? Who would be at

477
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 6: the top of your wish list? And jokingly at the time,

478
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,199
Speaker 6: I said, well, Michael chug he'd be He'd be at

479
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 6: the top of my list. And we talked about it,

480
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 6: and the boy said, well, why don't you flick him

481
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:17,679
Speaker 6: an email and send him some of the songs And

482
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 6: it started out as a bit of a joke and

483
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 6: I send it, sent some tracks through to Chuggy and

484
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 6: long story short, here we are now and it all

485
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 6: paid off. But a lot of this is to do

486
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 6: with Michelle and all the time she said keep going,

487
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,679
Speaker 6: and she's given me ideas and strategies and things that

488
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 6: I should try, and she's just always believed in me

489
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 6: and believed in what I'm doing and maybe seen a

490
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 6: bigger picture.

491
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 5: And yeah, I'm super grateful, very lucky.

492
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, in those moments of writing the Rollercoaster.

493
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 4: And you're on the.

494
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,239
Speaker 3: Downward spiral, what did you think that you were going

495
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 3: to need to go do? Like if you were leaving

496
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 3: the music industry, were you like, I'm just going to

497
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 3: go be a postman or like, what did you have

498
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 3: any other alternative of this?

499
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 1: Was it?

500
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 5: Well?

501
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,919
Speaker 6: Really, this is always been it for me, and I

502
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 6: think for any young artist that's looking to get into

503
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 6: this as a career. You know, I see a lot

504
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 6: of you know, friends and colleagues that are wanting to

505
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 6: get into the music industry and they've sort of got

506
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 6: one foot off the cliff and one foot on and

507
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 6: they haven't made the full jump, and that's probably half

508
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 6: of the reason why they're not going to that next level.

509
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 5: And I think, if you really want to have a crack,

510
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 5: you've got to do it.

511
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 6: You've just got to step off the ledge and take

512
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 6: that risk and know that maybe it's not going to

513
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 6: happen overnight. But you know, I remember sitting down with

514
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 6: my mum and dad twenty years ago, and I was

515
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 6: still working at Flight Center at the time as a

516
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 6: travel consultant and doing that in the day and then

517
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 6: doing pub gigs at night time. And then the pub

518
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 6: gigs started to take off, and I was wanting it

519
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 6: hard to balance doing both, and I sat down with

520
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 6: mum and dad and I said, I think I want

521
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 6: to give this music thing a crack full time. And

522
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 6: both of my parents have always been incredible, and they said,

523
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 6: you know, that's what you want to do, that's what

524
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 6: you should do, and you can always go back to

525
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 6: Flight Center if you want to. And thankfully, here we

526
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 6: are twenty years later, I've never had to go back.

527
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 6: I've been lucky enough to make a living out of it,

528
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 6: and you know, things like that, and then other little

529
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 6: serendipitous things that have happened. I remember doing a pub

530
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,360
Speaker 6: gig here on the Gold Coast around the same sort

531
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,640
Speaker 6: of time. And you know, one of the best bits

532
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 6: of advice I got given when I started doing music

533
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 6: was whenever you do a show, no matter how big

534
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 6: it is or how small it is, just play the

535
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 6: gig with the attitude of you never know who's sitting

536
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 6: there in the crowd listening. It's such a good piece

537
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,439
Speaker 6: of advice and it's always paid off on times when

538
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 6: I've least expected it. And this one night I was

539
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 6: doing this pub gig, and it might have been you know,

540
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 6: midnight or coming up to one o'clock in the morning,

541
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 6: and there was a guy that was at the bar

542
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 6: and he was just really I could tell he was

543
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 6: just really enjoying the gig and he was listening and

544
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 6: came up to me in one of my breaks and

545
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 6: he said, have you got five minutes, you know, I'd

546
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 6: love to have a quick chat to you. And he

547
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 6: ended up giving me this incredible pep talk and a

548
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 6: kick up the backside and just said, what are you

549
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 6: doing wasting your time here on a Tuesday night playing

550
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 6: other people's songs? Why are you not writing your own music?

551
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 6: And why you're not playing your own shows? And it

552
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 6: was just this incredibly perfectly timed chat and kick up

553
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 6: the bum and I said, well, yeah, I do want

554
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 6: to do this. And he said, well, what's going to

555
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 6: set you apart from everyone else? And I said, well,

556
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 6: these are the reasons why I think, you know, I'm

557
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 6: better than you know other people out there doing it.

558
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 5: And he said, well, you've got to go out and

559
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 5: do it.

560
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 6: And as it turns out, his name was Clint Bog

561
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 6: and he was the lead singer of a rock band

562
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 6: up in Brisbane called The Butterfly Effect, and he ended

563
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 6: up getting on board and being a real motivator at

564
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 6: the time, and it was just one of those things

565
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 6: where it was exactly what I needed. And yeah, just

566
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 6: funny things that happened along the journey.

567
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 3: You know, isn't that great. They're kind of like those

568
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 3: those angels. Yeah, the guardian angels that just step in

569
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,719
Speaker 3: and give you that key piece of information or whatever

570
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 3: it is that just needs you to push yourself to

571
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 3: that next step.

572
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 5: Yep.

573
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 3: We lived in the States for twenty five years and

574
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 3: you know, Keith Urban was massive, like he was, you know,

575
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 3: just winning all the awards in America and everything. And

576
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 3: we moved back here and it was almost like people

577
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 3: knew him, but like, oh on, Nicole Kidman's husband, and

578
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 3: it was really kind of interest. I mean, of course

579
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 3: people know him, but it was kind of this interesting

580
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 3: thing of like, this isn't this isn't Aussie who's done

581
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 3: unbelievable stuff in America and he still almost didn't feel

582
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 3: like he was getting the kudos of what he deserved

583
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 3: in Australia and being so proud of him. What is

584
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 3: it about country music in Australia that you feel doesn't

585
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 3: quite get the push or the experience or the love

586
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 3: that it's.

587
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 4: So so deliciously.

588
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 3: Deserves, because we've got some incredible country stars here with

589
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 3: voices of just absolute angels.

590
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 6: It's a good question. I think I think it's starting

591
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 6: to change. I think there's been a huge shift, especially

592
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 6: in the last couple of years, where this new generation

593
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 6: coming through have actually gone, you know what, country's cool,

594
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 6: And it's really exciting to see the shift. And I

595
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 6: think it's a it's a combination of a lot of things.

596
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 6: I think some of it's to do with commercial radio

597
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 6: starting to play a little bit of country and the

598
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 6: listeners going, you know what this is? Actually these are

599
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 6: actually good songs. And I think there was a misconception

600
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 6: out there for a lot of years where when you

601
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 6: talk to Australians about country music, they thought it was

602
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 6: just a specific sound and.

603
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 3: Slim dusty type country.

604
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, and we love slim dusty and we love Lee Kernighan,

605
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 6: and there's so many greats that are that have been

606
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 6: around for a long long time. But the beauty of

607
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 6: country music that I think Australians are just starting to

608
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 6: realize is there's a huge variation in styles of country

609
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 6: music and there's something for everyone. And and you know,

610
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 6: when you've got the likes of Luke Colmb's coming out

611
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 6: now and filling stadiums and three nights in a row,

612
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 6: it's ridiculous and you watch the fans and you see

613
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 6: country come to the Big Smoke and like we we

614
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 6: went and saw his show in Melbourne a couple of

615
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 6: weeks ago and it was just so cool to see

616
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 6: all of these people that have come from regional parts

617
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 6: of Australia come into town. You know, they filled Marvel

618
00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 6: Stadium and it's just so exciting and it's it's blowing up.

619
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 5: It's really really, really exciting.

620
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 6: So I think there's a bit of a shift and

621
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 6: it's probably a great time to be a country artist.

622
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 5: You know, it's been a struggle, but it's starting to

623
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 5: turn around.

624
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, good, it's great. Can I just take you back

625
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: just to one thing. Australian idol is on TV at

626
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: the moment, and I know you have a relationship to that. Casey,

627
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: when you say you've got you see the young artist

628
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: and they've got one foot on the cliff and one

629
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: foot off the cliff, what would you say to those

630
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: guys you know who are there? They are there's a

631
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: there's a country guy on there, you know who's obviously

632
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: you know, very well established in the country world. Anyway,

633
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: come his name escapes me at the moment. But what

634
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: does that mean to step off the cliff?

635
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 6: It means there's no safety net. It means that you know,

636
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 6: don't don't be afraid. I think one of the things

637
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 6: that that stops everyone in life, doesn't matter what they

638
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 6: want to do, what their goals are, is the fear

639
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 6: of failure or embarrassment or ego or whatever it might be.

640
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 6: And I think, you know, if you can let go

641
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 6: of that and realize that there's going to be times

642
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 6: when it's going to be tough, there's going to be

643
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 6: times where it's not going to always go the way

644
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 6: that I want it to, but I'm going to learn

645
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 6: from it. I'm going to grow, I'm going to try

646
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 6: and get better every day, and you know, you don't

647
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 6: necessarily need to rush things. I think that's where I'm

648
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 6: lucky to have that little bit of wisdom behind me now,

649
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 6: even from going on Idle. When I was on the show,

650
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 6: I was probably a little bit older than a lot

651
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 6: of the contestants in the Top twelve the year that

652
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 6: I was on, and it was this funny little bubble

653
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 6: that we lived in while we're on the show, where

654
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 6: it wasn't really what reality was going to be like.

655
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 6: You know, we were pretty lucky, you know, we were

656
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 6: living in this when we're on the show. We were

657
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 6: living in this beautiful mansion and you know, on the

658
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 6: water down in Sydney there, and we had a full

659
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 6: time chef and bodyguards and luxury. Limo has taken us everywhere,

660
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 6: and I think some of the contestants got into this

661
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 6: idea of well, this is what life's going to be like. Now,

662
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 6: this is this is it. It's never going to be

663
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 6: the same. And and then there was this massive reality

664
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 6: check of coming off the back of the show, of realizing, Okay,

665
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 6: well now I'm back in the real world and now

666
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 6: this is when the real work starts. And I think

667
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 6: I was lucky enough to have that little bit of

668
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 6: wisdom to know that, you know, that was a great

669
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 6: opportunity and I made some new fans and I learned

670
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 6: a lot of stuff. But now I've got to dig

671
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 6: in and do the work and try and make the

672
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 6: most of this opportunity. And yeah, that's that's a big thing.

673
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 6: But yeah, it's for anyone that wants to have a crack.

674
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 6: You've just got to know that.

675
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 5: You know.

676
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 6: Sometimes I'll have parents of you know, kids that are

677
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 6: super talented reach out to me online and ask for

678
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 6: some advice and you know, sometimes it's not the advice

679
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 6: they want to hear in that give it time. You

680
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 6: don't want it to happen too fast, because if it

681
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 6: happens really quick and you're young, it can disappear really

682
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 6: quick as well.

683
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 3: Interesting, Michelle, how are you guiding your daughters with the music?

684
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,919
Speaker 3: You are? They like gangbusters for sort of we want

685
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 3: to be putting out records. I mean a use sort

686
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 3: of being the mumma jo as they say already, Look.

687
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:27,280
Speaker 7: I think I'm the one kind of yeah, really looking

688
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 7: at it from the nuts and bolts in the sense

689
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 7: that I'm like, Okay, what will it take if this

690
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 7: is what you've chosen to do. I'm being quite you know,

691
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 7: logical about it and going, okay, well, I think you

692
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 7: need guitar lessons, So you know, this afternoon I'll be

693
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 7: driving and taking the girls to guitar.

694
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 4: Lessons and developing that way.

695
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 7: And I think that also will then determine do you

696
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 7: really want to do it? Because if you love it,

697
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 7: you'll do whatever it takes.

698
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 4: To, you know, to get there.

699
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 7: And you know, I want to make sure that they

700
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 7: want to do it, like I did not at all

701
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 7: say to them. You know, you should get guitar lessons,

702
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 7: but I would suggest it like, oh, maybe, now that

703
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 7: you've started your music course at school, you know, did

704
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 7: you want to maybe get some lessons or you're happy

705
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 7: not to.

706
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 4: Oh no, I'd like to do that. You know.

707
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 7: So there's been no from either of us. He's been

708
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 7: zero pushing either of them into that field. It's just

709
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 7: been let's see if it organically goes there, which it has.

710
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 7: And so now it's kind of like, all right, I

711
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,919
Speaker 7: think they are really taking it seriously, so let's try

712
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 7: and get them some lessons. And you know, I'm looking

713
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 7: at a pink acoustic guitar currently.

714
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 4: Our eldest is very keen.

715
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 5: On is it birthday soon or is it coming up soon?

716
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 7: So I'm like, oh, maybe you know, it's okay, you're serious,

717
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 7: let's get.

718
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 4: You a real guitar. Yeah.

719
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's definitely navigating it in the way that letting

720
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 7: them organically choose it. I mean my parents were very

721
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 7: much like that, Casey's parents were very much like that.

722
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,760
Speaker 7: There was never a you know, show mum behind either

723
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 7: of us going Okay, you know, it's been very organic,

724
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 7: and I think that's the way to do it.

725
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 6: And you guys would be the same. Just that how

726
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 6: proud you are of your kids. It's just that's the

727
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 6: best feeling when you just sit back. Sometimes I'll just

728
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 6: you know, I'll just hear Charlie or any in the

729
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 6: bedroom playing something and I'll just sit and listen and

730
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 6: just go, that's just so cool, you know, it's awesome.

731
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think we both feel the same way. Me,

732
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 3: I'm going to say me slightly more, only because because

733
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 3: I have no musical talent. For me, it's just like

734
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 3: this magical thing that's happened to our kids that just

735
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 3: really blows my mind. That they can sing as well

736
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 3: as they.

737
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 4: Do, and they all musical, all the kids they are.

738
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 4: They are.

739
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, that our son, he's the middle. He's got a

740
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 3: beautiful voice. He doesn't use it. He's actually more he's

741
00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 3: creative on the food side. But our two daughters very musical,

742
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 3: really beautiful voices.

743
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 1: I think Riv got dragged to enough of my gigs

744
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: in La too. Know the amount of times I'd be

745
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: playing there and then River would be front row and

746
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 1: he'd be crawling on the floor. He'd be lying under

747
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: the chairs, laying on his mum's lap asleep and he

748
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 1: was like, Nah, I don't want to watch.

749
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 5: Career that you have.

750
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 6: You'd have some stories to share of your time in LA.

751
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 6: I'm sure it's. Yeah, I've been lucky to spend a

752
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 6: bit of time. And actually one of the when I

753
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 6: wrote this song about Michelle, I wrote it in La

754
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 6: with Funnily enough, another girl who was in the top

755
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 6: twelve on Idol with me.

756
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 5: Her name is Hayley Warner, and she's gone on to.

757
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 6: Become a really prolific songwriter based in LA and she's

758
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 6: written for some huge artists. Perry, Yeah, I really really

759
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 6: love LA.

760
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 5: I think it's a great place.

761
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 6: But I've got probably more of a connection now with

762
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,240
Speaker 6: Nashville because of the country scene.

763
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 5: But yeah, LA is definitely one incredible place.

764
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 1: How often do you go there to the US and

765
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: do you both go there or do you just go?

766
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 4: Do you?

767
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 3: Yeah?

768
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 7: I stay I've got a business back here and the

769
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 7: girls obviously being in a really kind of important time

770
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 7: with high school and everything, I stay home.

771
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: Okay.

772
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've started to go a lot more frequently now,

773
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 6: I guess over the last four or five years since

774
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 6: signing with Chuggy and we were lucky enough to get

775
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 6: my one.

776
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 5: Visa, which means I can go back and forwards and work.

777
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 6: And we've had, yeah, we've had a few little lucky

778
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 6: breaks over the last couple of years. It's funny like

779
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 6: certain festivals and stuff that we're on the vision board

780
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 6: or the you know, one day I want to tick

781
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 6: that off the bucket list. We finally have got to

782
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 6: do a few, and in particular, there's a huge festival

783
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 6: called Stagecoach.

784
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 5: Which.

785
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 6: It happens in California the week after Coachella, and I

786
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 6: wanted to play it for a decade and it's just

787
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 6: again one of those going way back to that bit

788
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 6: of advice of play every show as though you never

789
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 6: know who's in the crowd.

790
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 5: Right.

791
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 6: So twelve months before that, we were playing CMC Rocks,

792
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 6: which is our biggest country music festival here, and I

793
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,280
Speaker 6: didn't know any of this was happening in the background,

794
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 6: but we're playing our set on the main stage and

795
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 6: Chugg he's off to the side, and someone, actually a

796
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 6: lady came over and just said, who is this guy?

797
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 5: I really loved what they're doing.

798
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 6: And as it happens, she's the promoter of the booker

799
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 6: for Stage Coach and Chuggy and said, well this is

800
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 6: Casey and anyway, cut a long story short, we ended

801
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 6: up getting our spot on stage.

802
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 5: Coach, congratulations. It was just so good.

803
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: Have you done it yet? Did you play the stage yet?

804
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 5: We did? We got to play main stage. Only was

805
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 5: you to do that?

806
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 6: And it was just a dream come true. You know,

807
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 6: it was incredible. I could talk to you for half

808
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 6: an hour about all.

809
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 5: The worries about that.

810
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 6: But but that's where, you know, doors have started to

811
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 6: open up, and I'm going back and forwards to Nashville

812
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 6: a lot a lot more now too, and starting to

813
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 6: make some inroads.

814
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 5: And you know that's the next that's the next big goal.

815
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 5: You know. Talking about Keith, he's been great, Like I

816
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 5: got to.

817
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 6: Meet him on his last tour and we got to

818
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 6: go backstage and have a chat to him, and I

819
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 6: couldn't believe he actually knew my name. And he came

820
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 6: and gave me a hug, and you know, he said,

821
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 6: congratulations that we just won an Aria, the first time

822
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 6: I ever won an Aria, And he gave and gave

823
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 6: me a haga and said congratulations and gave me some

824
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 6: really awesome advice of you know, what to do, and

825
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 6: so that's that's the goal, you know, that.

826
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 5: Is the big goal hopefully is to get over there

827
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 5: and do more.

828
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: So with all that travel, how do you guys stay connected?

829
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a good it's a good point. We've just

830
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 4: been so lucky in our relationship. Like honestly, I just

831
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 4: I don't know how we do it.

832
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 7: Because yeah, I mean, look, we've definitely had periods where

833
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 7: you know, we've had to sit down and have a chat.

834
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 4: You know, there's definitely been it's not been all roses.

835
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 6: But trust is probably the biggest I think when either

836
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 6: of us are away from each other, you know, there's

837
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 6: never ever a seed of doubt in either of our

838
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 6: minds that he might be getting up to mischief or

839
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 6: she might be or it's always this incredible feeling of

840
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 6: trust and knowing that you know, that's not even ever

841
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 6: going to come into the equation.

842
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 7: But I think maybe two, it is helpful that I

843
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 7: lived not not to the degree of Casey, but I

844
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 7: lived that life myself. And the perception of what you think,

845
00:41:55,960 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 7: like the external world thinks happens on tour, and I'm

846
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,760
Speaker 7: sure it does. Like, don't get me wrong, there's plenty

847
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 7: of artists that do live that kind of life. But

848
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 7: if you could see his green room, it's comical. It's comical.

849
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 7: It's like cups of tea and it is not rock

850
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,919
Speaker 7: and roll in any way shape. So yeah, and look,

851
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 7: I think, you know, as we talked about having that

852
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 7: foundation of a relationship that was just so solid as

853
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 7: a friendship, for someone to be able to come in

854
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 7: and mess that up, I just wish them luck because

855
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 7: it's you know, what we've been through together. Yeah, I

856
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 7: don't know that anyone could ever really come and rock

857
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 7: that in any ways.

858
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 4: It's a it's been a journey, you.

859
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 7: Know, We've been through a lot as a couple, and

860
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 7: I think, yeah, just that solid foundation that we had,

861
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 7: but we do try and our connection, our thing is

862
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 7: every night that we are home together, we sit on

863
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 7: the couch, just the two of us and we have

864
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 7: a cup of green tea every night that we are

865
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 7: home together and we talk.

866
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 4: Yeah. Nice, that's how we.

867
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 5: Keep It's pretty wild.

868
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 4: You are wild and crazy, you right, But.

869
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,399
Speaker 6: I think the fact that you know, you do those

870
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 6: sort of things, and I'm sure it's the same with

871
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 6: you guys.

872
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 5: You've just got your own sense of humor as well.

873
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 6: And we get one another where you know, we're both

874
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 6: we're both stupid, and we both like to have have

875
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 6: fun and.

876
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 4: Send each other memes from one.

877
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 5: And the other not take life too seriously.

878
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,439
Speaker 6: And I think the older we get, the more we

879
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 6: start to get what life is all about.

880
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 5: And I don't think it's about taking it too seriously.

881
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 6: I think it's like taken every day as it comes

882
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 6: and going with the flow. And I think that's that's

883
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 6: a really important thing. And yeah, as I said, we're

884
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 6: just super lucky that we've got that friendship that we've

885
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 6: built everything on.

886
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 4: You know, it's really beautiful.

887
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 3: You do write songs, Casey from the heart and some

888
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 3: of the experiences that you had in your life. For you, Michelle,

889
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 3: how how do you feel when you hear Casey sing

890
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 3: a song that reflects a piece of your shared journey.

891
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's actually the biggest one for me, which was amazing,

892
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,720
Speaker 7: was when my dad passed away. He wrote a song

893
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,879
Speaker 7: about his own feeling on that, which I guess when

894
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 7: you're going through that yourself, you don't really stop and

895
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 7: kind of think about how they would be dealing with it.

896
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 7: And I still remember, actually Chris Martin writing Fix You

897
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 7: which was about Gwyneth when they were married at the

898
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,919
Speaker 7: time when her mother was her.

899
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 4: Mother passed away. I think I think her.

900
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 7: Dad her dad, Yeah, yeah, but him trying, wanting to

901
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 7: fix her but not being able to, you know. And

902
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 7: it is a really like grief is such a massive

903
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 7: and poor Casey like he's had to go through that

904
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 7: with me a lot.

905
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 4: I've lost a lot of immediate family.

906
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:20,439
Speaker 7: And yeah, just for him to be able to pen

907
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 7: that from his perspective and then for me to hear

908
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 7: that song was just so amazing. And then you know,

909
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 7: filming the music video down in my hometown, which is Yamber,

910
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 7: which I think can ye, well.

911
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 3: His favorite place on the planet.

912
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,240
Speaker 4: Let me tell you, we knew when the Dado Boys

913
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 4: were in town.

914
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, we did that every September every year.

915
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 7: It was a time for Yeah, all the girls in

916
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 7: our area, we all knew when you guys are holiday.

917
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:56,280
Speaker 1: And had no idea, absolutely no. I have heard that before.

918
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: And Ali and I were there a little what was

919
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: last year or so, and I was I swam from

920
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 1: a convent beach across to the surf beach and did

921
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 1: that did that swim, which to me was always a panic,

922
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 1: Like you know, holy crap, because I definitely saw Noah's

923
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:13,720
Speaker 1: arcs out there when we were surfing.

924
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 5: Absolutely yeah.

925
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 1: But anyway, someone in that swimming group said the same thing,

926
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: and I'm like, what what are you talking about?

927
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 4: You know, we were obviously very polite about it.

928
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: Clearly, it's still my still my most favorite place. Anyway,

929
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: So where I digress, Yamby Yamby, Yamber.

930
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, yeah, yeah.

931
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 7: So we filmed the music video down there, and my

932
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,399
Speaker 7: dad was a deep sea fisherman, so yes, he saw

933
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 7: plenty of those. But yeah, so we filmed it and

934
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 7: it was all on a trawler and it was just

935
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 7: it was the most amazing experience. It was just really

936
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 7: special to me, and I guess through Casey writing that

937
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 7: song and that whole experience was was just the most

938
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 7: healing thing for me.

939
00:46:58,560 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 4: It was beautiful.

940
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 6: I'll try and give you the short version of this

941
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 6: story too, but again, you know, without getting too out there,

942
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 6: that song and how it came about was still to

943
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:12,959
Speaker 6: this day is probably one of the most trippy things

944
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 6: that has ever happened to me. And when Ted passed away,

945
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 6: we had the service down in Yamber and one of

946
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 6: his favorite songs of all time was desperado by the Eagles,

947
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 6: So we organized for a friend who's an incredible pianist

948
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 6: to come along, and he came along and sang that

949
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 6: song at the service, and shortly after that, I was

950
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 6: organized to go down to finish off the album that

951
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 6: I was recording at the time, and we sort of

952
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 6: talked about should I go, should I stay, and that

953
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 6: Michelle said no, you should go, And then I was

954
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 6: in the studio with the boys and they said, how

955
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 6: do you feel about writing a song, you know, about

956
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 6: what you've just been through? And I just sort of

957
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 6: said at the time, I don't know if fucking go there.

958
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,919
Speaker 5: It's pretty raw. I didn't know at the time.

959
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 6: And we tried to work on something on the day

960
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,839
Speaker 6: and it just didn't happen. It wasn't flowing, it didn't

961
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 6: feel natural, and it didn't feel right. So we left

962
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 6: it and we parked it for the day and came

963
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,240
Speaker 6: back the next morning and we were both sitting around

964
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,240
Speaker 6: the studio with a cup of coffee having a chat,

965
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 6: and Michael Painter, who I do a lot of writing with,

966
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 6: had no idea of that backstory at all, and he

967
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 6: sat down at the piano just to noodle and start

968
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,280
Speaker 6: playing with some ideas. And the first song he started

969
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 6: playing was Desperado and I just lost the plot, like

970
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 6: I just lost it, and the boys like, what's going on,

971
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 6: and I just said, you just don't You don't understand.

972
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 6: That was Ted's favorite song and this song then just

973
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 6: happened and it wrote itself, and it's a song called

974
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 6: set Sail, and it's all about when it's your time

975
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,280
Speaker 6: to go. It's your time and you can't fight against

976
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 6: the current. It's a really deep song and it was

977
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 6: nearly like Ted was getting a message through the song

978
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 6: through me to get to Michelle and Michelle's mum Chris

979
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 6: to go, It's okay, it's all right. You know, I'm

980
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 6: still around. I'm going to keep an eye on you.

981
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 6: It's it was my time to go. And it's just

982
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 6: a really really deep song and.

983
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 4: I meant so much to a lot of people.

984
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 5: Exactly.

985
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 6: I don't play it at every show because it's it's

986
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 6: a it's a tough song to play, but when I do,

987
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 6: without fail, there's there will be someone that will come

988
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 6: up at the end of the night and share a

989
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 6: story of you know, I can remember what we were

990
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 6: on touring in the States, and a guy came up

991
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 6: to me at the end of the night and he said,

992
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 6: I wasn't meant to come tonight, but I did.

993
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 5: My father just passed away, you.

994
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 6: Know, two weeks ago, and I was but I must

995
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 6: have been meant to be here to hear that song,

996
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 6: and you know, it's it's just yeah, it's sort of

997
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 6: grown legs and it's just one of those songs.

998
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, Casey's and we lost a baby as well, and

999
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 7: Casey wrote a song about that as well, and.

1000
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's a it's a great way I

1001
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 4: think for men.

1002
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 7: You know, women were probably a lot better at being

1003
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 7: able to talk about our feelings and go through those experiences.

1004
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 7: I mean I went and sat in support groups when

1005
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:11,399
Speaker 7: we lost our baby, you know.

1006
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:15,320
Speaker 4: But Casey, I mean music was his way.

1007
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 7: Of being able to express his grief. I guess, so's

1008
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 7: it's nice for him to be able to do that.

1009
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry to hear that. That's that must have

1010
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 3: been heartbreaking.

1011
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, it just feels like such a lifetime ago.

1012
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 7: There's been there's been so many different losses that you

1013
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 7: just you just go through it, don't you, with life

1014
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 7: like it just all of these different different losses and then,

1015
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 7: you know, Ali, you are just such a big part

1016
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 7: of my life in the last.

1017
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 4: Few years because I went through early menopause.

1018
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 7: Okay, so yeah, without you, I don't think I have

1019
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 7: got through that time. Honestly, I just felt like no one.

1020
00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 7: I couldn't relate to anyone talking about it. Yeah, and

1021
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:03,760
Speaker 7: then I saw you, who was someone that I idolized.

1022
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 7: You know at the time you know that I probably

1023
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 7: was was checking cam out in the amber.

1024
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 4: I was just as big a fan of yours. And

1025
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 4: to hear.

1026
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 7: This, you know, beautiful woman who had this successful partner

1027
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:26,359
Speaker 7: and her own career kind of navigate that time just

1028
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 7: meant the world to me because I finally felt like

1029
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 7: I could identify with somebody going through it. So, you know,

1030
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 7: I felt like I kind of went through so many losses.

1031
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 7: I lost my brother he was thirty nine, We lost

1032
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 7: our baby, My dad died suddenly when he was on

1033
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 7: his way to our house.

1034
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 4: You know, it just was like bang, bang bang.

1035
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 7: And then hitting this perimenopause menopause time was just like

1036
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 7: are you joking? Yeah, and trying to you know, still

1037
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 7: be present as a mother and a partner and all

1038
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 7: of that staff was just so so hard and we

1039
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 7: got through it.

1040
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 4: It's just but thankfully.

1041
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, having someone by my side who actually was willing

1042
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 7: to ride that way with me.

1043
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:20,240
Speaker 4: Was Yeah. I feel so lucky.

1044
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: It sounds like Casey, you had your your music is

1045
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 1: your cathartic release.

1046
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely, definitely.

1047
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 6: It's it's weird blokes find it a little bit harder

1048
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 6: to get stuff out, but for some reason, you know,

1049
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 6: I can go to a whole different place when it

1050
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 6: comes to writing and performing. You know, There'll be times

1051
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 6: where I'll sing those songs and I'll just be off

1052
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 6: in another world. But it's it's because I'm connecting to

1053
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 6: the deeper meaning of the song and what that's probably

1054
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:58,399
Speaker 6: doing for me. Yeah, definitely has helped a lot, that's

1055
00:52:58,440 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 6: for sure. And that's one of the reasons that I've

1056
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 6: just love music in general so much, because the connection

1057
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,280
Speaker 6: that you get, you know, through the songs and through

1058
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 6: through your music and a crowd, and that that energy

1059
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:15,399
Speaker 6: that you can exchange through performing is just hard to beat.

1060
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,479
Speaker 5: You know, it's the best, the best thing.

1061
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 7: I've only just learned an interesting thing about because I

1062
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 7: sang for a living and I sang every day, and

1063
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 7: I only just learned how unbelievably beneficial singing is for

1064
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 7: your nervous system.

1065
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 4: Yes, and your vagus nerve and all of that.

1066
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 7: I had no idea that it's I mean, I guess

1067
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 7: it makes sense because meditation, you.

1068
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:42,839
Speaker 4: Know, is the hum and all of that.

1069
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,760
Speaker 7: That humming and that sound and the vibration is actually

1070
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 7: a reset of your nervous system. So it's no wonder

1071
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 7: people find music and singing so cathartic and like a

1072
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 7: really amazing therapy.

1073
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:57,839
Speaker 4: I guess it is.

1074
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and I always say, you know, I've

1075
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:05,280
Speaker 3: never been a church goer, but my church is live music.

1076
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 3: That's when I am most connected to people around me.

1077
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 3: There's a spirit that just rises in my body that

1078
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 3: I'm like in tears listening to music that I love.

1079
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 3: It's just there's nothing like that experience of that.

1080
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:23,760
Speaker 6: Agreed thank God that AI can't take that away, cannot

1081
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 6: It's a scary time, but you know, you cannot, you

1082
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 6: cannot replicate that feeling.

1083
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 5: I don't think if it's it'll be tough to be.

1084
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, for Alliot's Mumford and Sons, Lumine Ears and we're

1085
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:45,359
Speaker 1: coming to see Casey Barnes. When down to get up

1086
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: on the seats, mate, take Cam up for a song. Yeah,

1087
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 1: I'll do that. Hey a question then, I mean you've

1088
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 1: mentioned challenging times, and I reiterate what Al said. I'm

1089
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 1: so sorry that you did lose a child and we

1090
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 1: all we all go through our version of different challenges.

1091
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 1: What advice do you have any advice for couples or

1092
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:14,800
Speaker 1: people that are having their challenges right now?

1093
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 4: Hm?

1094
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 7: Oh gosh. I think it's just talk to each other,

1095
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:24,760
Speaker 7: you know. I think that's the biggest mistake. Everyone makes.

1096
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:29,240
Speaker 7: You go through your own personal hell, but you don't

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00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 7: talk to each other, and I think that's that's the

1098
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 7: biggest thing. I mean, some people do find it difficult,

1099
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 7: but I think that communication is just everything because you

1100
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 7: really don't know.

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00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 4: What each other are really feeling. Deeply, I think it's just.

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00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 6: So and everyone's on different trajectories and timelines of when

1103
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 6: they're getting through stuff like That's one of the things

1104
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 6: that you do learn is that you know when it

1105
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 6: comes to grief, especially when you lose a family member.

1106
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 5: For Michelle, that doesn't go away.

1107
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 6: It's not like you just click your fingers and go, well,

1108
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 6: hang on, shake that off.

1109
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 5: Now, let's get back into life. It's always going to

1110
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:10,399
Speaker 5: be there.

1111
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 6: So I guess you just need to roll with the

1112
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 6: punches and have you know, as much compassion as you can.

1113
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 6: And you know, also, nobody's perfect. And I can look

1114
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 6: back on different times, you know, like when Michelle lost

1115
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 6: her brother, which was the first big loss we had,

1116
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 6: there were times in that where.

1117
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 5: I wished I could have handled it a little bit better.

1118
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 4: Well, you'd never experienced loss before. So that's the thing.

1119
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 7: It's very difficult to know how to help somebody if

1120
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 7: you've never experienced it, and until you have, you really

1121
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 7: don't know the enormity of what that.

1122
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 4: Person is going through. So you can't beat yourself up

1123
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 4: over that because you didn't know. You didn't really know.

1124
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 4: And it wasn't until probably my dad passed away.

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00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 7: Because Casey had a very close relationship with my dad

1126
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,720
Speaker 7: and we lost a baby, he was equally.

1127
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,760
Speaker 4: And where he really felt that enormity of loss.

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Speaker 6: And you know, man, we get so deep into this. Yeah,

1129
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 6: it's it's really interesting. Like I'm in a unique situation too.

1130
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 6: I grew up with a parent who I'm very very

1131
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 6: close to, my mum, but she suffers from mental illness

1132
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 6: and so she's had bipolar since I was a baby,

1133
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 6: and there's been a lot that's a massive can of

1134
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 6: worms open there, And there's been a lot of stuff

1135
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 6: that I've gone through growing up where I've had to

1136
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 6: learn coping mechanisms of how to deal with that, and

1137
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 6: times where my mum's just gone. It's not the person

1138
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 6: that I know, and I've had to build up this.

1139
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 6: I don't like a lot of that, feeling like I've

1140
00:57:56,080 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 6: built up this barrier of numbness sometimes to its horrible

1141
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 6: stuff that's happened because that's my only way growing up

1142
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 6: I can cope with it, and I don't like that.

1143
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 6: I wish there was a way to magically fix that.

1144
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 6: But sometimes when you do go through, you know, stuff

1145
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:16,479
Speaker 6: that happens in life that will come back, that habit

1146
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 6: will come back because that's.

1147
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 5: Sort of what you've been used to.

1148
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 6: But you know, that's everyone's got their own their own story,

1149
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 6: and I think the more compassionate we are for each

1150
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 6: other in general, it's everyone's got stuff going on, that's

1151
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 6: for sure.

1152
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 4: That's exactly right.

1153
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a phrase that I've heard where what what

1154
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 3: you did to survive your childhood can sometimes destroy you

1155
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 3: as an adult, so it's you know, you had to

1156
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 3: do that to survive, you know, your childhood. And you know,

1157
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 3: I understand that from my perspective. You know, you compartmentalize

1158
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 3: things so you can keep moving ahead. As a kid,

1159
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 3: you don't know you're doing it, but come to an

1160
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 3: adult and I'm like, WHOA, why am I having this

1161
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 3: experience and being so triggered by that. It's like, ah, well,

1162
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 3: now I know where that came from, you know.

1163
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 4: So yeah, And.

1164
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 5: It's funny with my mum.

1165
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 6: You know, I was only literally only talking to her

1166
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 6: on the phone yesterday, and and you know, even though

1167
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 6: we've gone through some horrific stuff over the journey and

1168
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 6: it's been tough, but I could not love my mum anymore.

1169
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 6: And we've got a super super close relationship. And even

1170
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 6: with her own challenges with her mental health, she's she

1171
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 6: is one of the wisest, most.

1172
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 5: She's just tapped in.

1173
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 6: She gets so many things, and she's she's always teaches

1174
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 6: me a lot of stuff about, you know, letting go

1175
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 6: and not not trying to control things as much as

1176
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 6: we all try and do in life, and just letting

1177
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 6: things flow. And she's taught me a lot. You know,

1178
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 6: which I'm grateful for. So it's it's interesting.

1179
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, guys, thank you so much for coming in and

1180
00:59:56,240 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 1: speaking with us. And yes, our podcast is the heart

1181
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 1: of it and you've you've given us a lot of

1182
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 1: heart and so thank you so much. We would ask

1183
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 1: one thing before we go. We do. We have a

1184
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 1: rapid fire heartbeat and put the pulse on you. So

1185
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 1: we've got a couple of questions. Just keep your answers short.

1186
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 1: How about that.

1187
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're going to ask you both the same ask.

1188
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 1: You both answer the same question. You go first, right, What.

1189
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 3: Brings you joy?

1190
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 5: Music? Family?

1191
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:26,959
Speaker 4: Exactly the same?

1192
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 1: Okay, one time you'd like to revisit.

1193
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 5: I would.

1194
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 6: I would like to redo when your brother passed away,

1195
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:38,919
Speaker 6: if i'd love to redo that.

1196
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 7: The immediate thing that came to my mind was the

1197
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 7: moment I saw both of our babies faces for the

1198
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 7: first time. Yes, that will never ever, I don't know

1199
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 7: anything can ever top it.

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01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 5: Yep.

1201
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 3: That what do you miss when you're not together?

1202
01:00:58,400 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 1: Green tea on the couch?

1203
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 4: Thank us?

1204
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 5: The little things, just our sense of humor and banter.

1205
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, one word to describe each other.

1206
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 4: Powerful, everything, so gorgeous.

1207
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 1: I love that, Love that question and what the responses

1208
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 1: but we've had it's so amazing, but.

1209
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 4: It was not rapid. It was like, really, we had

1210
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 4: to think about that.

1211
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 1: Really.

1212
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, thank you both so much. We actually had

1213
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 3: so many more questions for you. We could have spoken

1214
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 3: to you for another hour. You've you've really been open

1215
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 3: and vulnerable with us. So thank you so much for

1216
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 3: your wisdom and for your love and just sharing who

1217
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 3: the both of you are with us.

1218
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you so much for having us.

1219
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I just wanted to say also add something, Michelle,

1220
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 1: thank you for reminding me of Yamber, because it does.

1221
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 1: It is a joyous place for me. And one of

1222
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 1: the memories I guess this would be tied up with

1223
01:01:56,160 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 1: your dad. One of the great most peaceful memory. He's

1224
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:01,920
Speaker 1: the best things for me to do in Yamber it

1225
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 1: is to sit on the cliff on Ocean Street and

1226
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 1: watch the trawlers come in at sunrise.

1227
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 4: Probably one of them was Michelle's.

1228
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 1: Daddy, maybe you know, watching all those trawlers line up

1229
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 1: and in they come, and and same when they go

1230
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 1: out through the through the through the wall at the

1231
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:20,080
Speaker 1: end the late afternoon. It sure is. It's unique.

1232
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 4: It's just great.

1233
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 1: So thank you.

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01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 4: Thank you so much. Guy, thank you