Speaker 1: The Sky New Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Do
Speaker 1: you like an evening, Happy Australia Day. Welcome into the
Speaker 1: man Cave. This is a huge night, because Sunday nights.
Speaker 1: I'm Pall Murray Live.
Speaker 2: This moment in our Sky News week is for the
Speaker 2: hard course, the people who want to know not just
Speaker 2: story behind the story, but the real deal behind what
Speaker 2: everyone else will react to in the next few days.
Speaker 1: We're calling it the State of the Race.
Speaker 2: There's a conversation with people who do a bunch of
Speaker 2: polling but also speak to a bunch of voters about
Speaker 2: that polling, and of course the great Michael Kroger, who's
Speaker 2: been through many an election. If you think you care
Speaker 2: about politics, believe me, you want to see this segment.
Speaker 2: It will be every Sunday between now and the election,
Speaker 2: which feels like it could be between now and November
Speaker 2: next year, but believe me, it's okay.
Speaker 1: That'll be between now and May.
Speaker 2: Of course, today is our National Day, the day where
Speaker 2: we are proud of the country that we are and
Speaker 2: we look forward to the nation that we will be.
Speaker 2: It was cool to see, at least on Channel seven
Speaker 2: News that the lead story was Australia celebrating Australia. It
Speaker 2: was nice to see that it wasn't and also there
Speaker 2: was no dot dot dot. It was Australia celebrating Australia.
Speaker 2: Fifteen thousand people joined the country today. They took up
Speaker 2: their citizenship. They have joined the greatest club in the world. Congratulations, welcome,
Speaker 2: enjoy everything that we've got for you.
Speaker 1: And I just love anywhere you went that there were.
Speaker 2: Plenty of people who were willing to talk to a
Speaker 2: camera about the greatest joint in the world.
Speaker 3: We love our country and there's no other country like it.
Speaker 4: I love Australia.
Speaker 3: I'm Australian through and through. I look out Australian and
Speaker 3: I think we should all celebrate this day.
Speaker 1: I love it, I really love it.
Speaker 2: Look, it is disappointing that when you go through the
Speaker 2: majority of our CBDs that you don't see the public
Speaker 2: bunting and flags that you may well have used to.
Speaker 1: I loved that.
Speaker 2: I woke up this morning in Brisbane after the Luke
Speaker 2: Comb's concert last night. What an absolute thumper that was.
Speaker 2: I'll get to that a little bit later. And there
Speaker 2: wasn't really much to see in the center of the city.
Speaker 2: But the further you went into the suburbs and you'd
Speaker 2: see a flag on a car here or there. The
Speaker 2: point is that while there are many big institutions that
Speaker 2: don't want to recognize the day, you can you do so.
Speaker 2: If you got the cash, put a flagpole out of
Speaker 2: the front of your house. Why not fly the flag
Speaker 2: three sixty five? Why not find a way to fly
Speaker 2: out a couple of days before, a couple of days after.
Speaker 2: Why not put a sticker on your car. The point
Speaker 2: is is that we know the vast majority of Australians.
Speaker 1: We've got the poles to prove it. They're all in
Speaker 1: on the day.
Speaker 2: They understand the day they understand the day is not
Speaker 2: a victory over Indigenous Australia or any.
Speaker 1: Garbage like that.
Speaker 2: Instead a celebration of the modernity and the peacefulness of
Speaker 2: which we live. And as I always talk about the
Speaker 2: fact that our national story maybe tens of thousands of
Speaker 2: years in that direction, a couple of hundred years of
Speaker 2: modern tales, but there is every page yet to be
Speaker 2: printed is blank, and all twenty seven million of us
Speaker 2: will play our part in deciding what the story is
Speaker 2: between now and the next time that we can reconvene
Speaker 2: on this day. So if you're somebody who did fly
Speaker 2: the flag today, good on you. If you're somebody who
Speaker 2: will be inspired as a result of this conversation to
Speaker 2: fly the flag next to you, good on you. Because
Speaker 2: I don't care what your local council does, I don't
Speaker 2: care what the government says. And the end of the day,
Speaker 2: we're the ones who decide what our street looks like.
Speaker 2: We're the ones who decide what our homes look like.
Speaker 2: It stuck out like the proverbial, but I've got to
Speaker 2: say a shout out to the Amkel chemist at the
Speaker 2: airport because it was the only shop that had stuck
Speaker 2: up an Australian flag. Now, of course many and most
Speaker 2: brands are all obviously scared of the twenty percent that
Speaker 2: are going to throw the toys out of the court
Speaker 2: all the rest of it. But here's the deal. I
Speaker 2: hope you had a great day. You know why we
Speaker 2: mark this day. We celebrate this day while we understand
Speaker 2: the complexities of this day, but we commit to that
Speaker 2: future like fifteen thousand people are. So by the time
Speaker 2: we next convene, more flags wherever you can. Let's get
Speaker 2: it going. Not to annoy people, but just to show
Speaker 2: how into it you are. As I suggested the other night,
Speaker 2: the Australian of the Year most likely was going to
Speaker 2: end up being Olden Her of course, the former legendary
Speaker 2: AFL player and AFL coach, a man who was diagnosed
Speaker 2: in twenty thirteen with motor neurone disease. He was told
Speaker 2: that his life would end within three years. Well now
Speaker 2: we are many years beyond that. In fact, what the
Speaker 2: best part of twelve And while the beast as he
Speaker 2: calls it, is wrecking his body, it is not breaking
Speaker 2: his spirit. He and his wife have of course put
Speaker 2: together that phenomenal fight mode of neurone disease charity.
Speaker 1: That's raised more than one hundred million.
Speaker 2: Dollars to fight the disease, to have re search where
Speaker 2: previously no one was looking to delve into the too
Speaker 2: hard basket.
Speaker 1: Strength and love to him.
Speaker 2: What a perfect and wonderful example not just of a
Speaker 2: person who is the best of us this year, but
Speaker 2: next year and for all years to come. I guarantee
Speaker 2: that no one will be regretting this decision in five
Speaker 2: years or ten years, as opposed to more fashionable choices
Speaker 2: of previous years. Neil can't use his own voice anymore,
Speaker 2: but through the power of modern technology, he is still
Speaker 2: able to communicate with us. I chose to fight because
Speaker 2: if I didn't, how could I expect anyone else to.
Speaker 1: I chose to hope.
Speaker 3: Because I believe in the decency and generosity of Australians.
Speaker 2: He's a special blow. Congratulations to everyone involved in that fight.
Speaker 2: How to everyone who is cook this Australia day who
Speaker 2: wasn't last, Strength and love to you for the fight
Speaker 2: that is in front of you, be it big or small.
Speaker 2: To the cares of Australia who will not get a
Speaker 2: little gold Order of Australia badge, their name will never
Speaker 2: end up in the paper. To the people who take
Speaker 2: care of those that are taking a tough time again, strengthen,
Speaker 2: love to all of you. But one hundred million dollars
Speaker 2: raised by a person who was able to use his
Speaker 2: fame and his power to make not only his life longer,
Speaker 2: but equally importantly, to try to create a scenario to
Speaker 2: extend other people's lives until eventually, hopefully fingers crossed, one
Speaker 2: day we get to the place where life can be
Speaker 2: as good as possible for as long as possible and
Speaker 2: again strengthen love to everyone who lost someone between this
Speaker 2: Australia Day and the last Australia Day. We know how
Speaker 2: difficult any public holiday or family occasion is. I just
Speaker 2: wanted to know, wanted you to know that we see you,
Speaker 2: we think of you each and every day, and let's
Speaker 2: all commit to again to live the life that the
Speaker 2: people who are no longer with us can't because they
Speaker 2: are the people who made us who we are, and
Speaker 2: help us to our bit for the country of which
Speaker 2: we love. The Senior Australian of the Year had a
Speaker 2: phenomenal story as well to tell. He's from Western Australia
Speaker 2: and he has done incredible things when it comes to wheelchairs.
Speaker 2: This phenomenal story here of brother Thomas Oliver Pickett.
Speaker 5: And Wheelchairs costs two hundred and seventy five dollars for
Speaker 5: our wheelchair, for our volunteers to make and for this
Speaker 5: summer money. A child with a disability perceives a new
Speaker 5: life by getting off the ground, having dignity as well
Speaker 5: as mobility.
Speaker 1: You betcha how good again?
Speaker 2: Like I took time on Thursday night to go through
Speaker 2: all of the different state representatives.
Speaker 1: I'm taking time tonight.
Speaker 2: To look at the people who ended up being elevated
Speaker 2: above the rest as the Australian of the Year, Senior Australian
Speaker 2: the Year, Young Australian and Local hero because again they
Speaker 2: are the best of us. The next time somebody wants
Speaker 2: to roll their eyes or overtly attack the country, these
Speaker 2: are four reasons why you can tell them where to go,
Speaker 2: including the Young Australian of the Year doing her bid
Speaker 2: when it comes to particularly the health and wellbeing of
Speaker 2: Indigenous young people.
Speaker 1: This was her statement. This is doctor Katrina Ruck.
Speaker 6: We are pioneering the world's first reusable laundry system to
Speaker 6: combat rheumatic heart disease, as you heard, a condition that
Speaker 6: almost exclusively affects Indigenous Australians.
Speaker 2: ID love that and the award that I think doesn't
Speaker 2: get as much attention because of the history of Australian
Speaker 2: of the Year and the well it feels like a
Speaker 2: generation of recognition of the young and Senior Australians.
Speaker 1: But the local Heroes.
Speaker 2: These are two women from the Act who again decided
Speaker 2: to get together to do something special for their community
Speaker 2: and they have been.
Speaker 1: Highlighted as the local heroes.
Speaker 7: This Australian Day, connecting through food, women can share their
Speaker 7: knowledge and culture, enriching our society through diverse It's about
Speaker 7: providing opportunities, stability and hope to people who, just like us,
Speaker 7: just want a chance to make something of their lives.
Speaker 2: They work together to harness the power of the hospitality industry,
Speaker 2: I believe to help empower the most vulnerable in their community.
Speaker 2: Now they have done many interviews in the hour since,
Speaker 2: but his some of what these special people have had
Speaker 2: to say. In fact, I'll get that for you in
Speaker 2: a moment or two's time. But these people, they are
Speaker 2: the examples of what is the best amongst us, and
Speaker 2: they deserve the full celebration and that moment in the
Speaker 2: spotlight meantime, as always, there are people who tried to
Speaker 2: fifty to fifty the day and a lot of Greens
Speaker 2: voters decided to march, of course, because they believe that
Speaker 2: any celebration today is.
Speaker 1: Of course wrong. You know the debate, you know my view.
Speaker 2: Interesting to note that apparently the numbers slightly down on
Speaker 2: previous years. My guess would be that if there was
Speaker 2: a federal change of government, it would become again catch
Speaker 2: cry for much of the left.
Speaker 1: To get a little more fired up.
Speaker 2: But because they're in power right now, on the verge
Speaker 2: of potentially more power as a result of minority government,
Speaker 2: well you know, maybe they sat this one out. Also,
Speaker 2: we know there's been a significant change at the moment
Speaker 2: in Australia when it comes to people's attitudes towards Australia
Speaker 2: day now.
Speaker 1: Amazingly, some of the.
Speaker 2: People who decide to choose today or last night before
Speaker 2: today to make their point about the past and how
Speaker 2: they believe that it shapes our future. Someone decided to
Speaker 2: rip the heads off the busts of two former prime ministers.
Speaker 1: This was in Ballarat.
Speaker 2: There's a bunch of statues with the faces of former
Speaker 2: prime ministers the ones they attacked, Paul Keating and Kevin Rudd.
Speaker 2: Now like well just like their politics, and clearly I
Speaker 2: wouldn't have voted for either of them. These are two
Speaker 2: very strange people specifically to have gone after. Of course,
Speaker 2: Paul Keating, anyone who's ever read their Redfern speech would
Speaker 2: suggest that I'd be surprised that he would be. Of
Speaker 2: all of the figures, they're the one to take and
Speaker 2: Kevin right, of course, when it came to the national apology,
Speaker 2: which brings me to the real point I want to
Speaker 2: make it today, and it's not about the tens of
Speaker 2: thousands of people who march. It's about some of the
Speaker 2: people who are now associating themselves with the organizations that
Speaker 2: organize these things, or the people who are very happy
Speaker 2: to show themselves at times like this. Now, can I
Speaker 2: show you here some of again the protesting that took
Speaker 2: place today. I'm avoiding their terms, but there's one photo
Speaker 2: in particular. Now, take away the every little t shirt,
Speaker 2: take away the Palestinian flags. Have a look at that one,
Speaker 2: which is abolish the date and abolish the state. You
Speaker 2: may have seen versions of this around you. Down with
Speaker 2: the day and down with the colony. And this is
Speaker 2: interesting because the mask is slipping for these people. They
Speaker 2: use things like a debate about a national day to
Speaker 2: attack something much bigger.
Speaker 1: March bigger.
Speaker 2: Than the day on which we recognize Australia's past and
Speaker 2: we can recommit to its future. These are the hardest
Speaker 2: of hardcore leftists who.
Speaker 1: Have always wanted a revolution.
Speaker 2: This happens to be their way that they think they
Speaker 2: can get into the revolution. But it says everything that
Speaker 2: if they had the blank check what happens. It's one
Speaker 2: thing to change a name of something, it's one thing
Speaker 2: to change a flag of something. But what do they mean.
Speaker 2: Do they mean the entire system of government will be
Speaker 2: replaced by only certain people being able to vote, maybe
Speaker 2: no one votes at all. In the same criticism that
Speaker 2: is offered about European royal families, is it about bloodlines
Speaker 2: that somehow decide who.
Speaker 1: Is going to be in charge of our community?
Speaker 2: Of course, they'll never say any of this because it's
Speaker 2: basically just the big generic that they are going against.
Speaker 2: And these are the people who, if they lived in
Speaker 2: Norway would want a revolution in Norway. The people who
Speaker 2: lived in New Zealand who'd want a revolution in New Zealand,
Speaker 2: the people that are born here who want a revolution here.
Speaker 2: And again there are thousands of people twenty percent of
Speaker 2: the country very legitimate position. Their position is opposite to
Speaker 2: the majority of the country. But the joy of free speeches,
Speaker 2: they can have it. But when you're holding up abolish
Speaker 2: the state, the colony will fall. They're not talking about
Speaker 2: a republic, they're not talking about removing the word royal
Speaker 2: from the children's hospital. They're talking about something that is
Speaker 2: a revolution one that I think that Australia will never want,
Speaker 2: let alone accept. But what starts with words may well
Speaker 2: end up as more aggressive actions. I hope that the
Speaker 2: institutions that are as committed to the incredible future of
Speaker 2: this country as recognizing the difficulties of the past, are
Speaker 2: very stern in dealing with these scenarios. But what if
Speaker 2: they're going to do is turn around and pull down
Speaker 2: the banners and stop saying things like Happy Australia Day
Speaker 2: as a way of trying to pretend that they can
Speaker 2: delay their revolution by a day. I've got some news
Speaker 2: for them that's not going to work. You may have
Speaker 2: seen the Prime Minister on our airwaves here today talking
Speaker 2: with Andrew clonel good and interesting wide ranging interview, but
Speaker 2: a couple of things jumped up as well as the
Speaker 2: Prime Minister's appearance at the National Press Club. This of
Speaker 2: course is his official return to the official start of
Speaker 2: the official year, when he's been around since the start
Speaker 2: of the year, over and over and over again. Look,
Speaker 2: the election has been running since last year. Now it's
Speaker 2: officially unofficially officially officially unofficially beginning when people get back
Speaker 2: to work, presumably either starting tomorrow because you won't have
Speaker 2: that public holiday because ra or Tuesday, because you do now.
Speaker 2: The Prime Minister said in this speech and in the
Speaker 2: interview that he believes that the country's headed in the
Speaker 2: right direction. The exact opposite, by the way of what
Speaker 2: more than fifty percent of the people who do the
Speaker 2: opinion poll in the Guardian think about the direction of
Speaker 2: the country. But here is the Prime Minister saying everything
Speaker 2: is fine, nothing to see here.
Speaker 8: What I'm confident of is the II leader government that's focused,
Speaker 8: that's orderly, that has seen Australia through some very difficult
Speaker 8: economic times, that we are heading in the right direction,
Speaker 8: and that we have an agenda to build on that
Speaker 8: in our second term.
Speaker 2: Am I the anyone who sort of tunes out about
Speaker 2: three words in because you can tell, oh, okay, they've
Speaker 2: worked something out to say, as opposed to it's going
Speaker 2: to be something d I say trump in that's a
Speaker 2: little off the cuff and a little surprising to us.
Speaker 2: It's the second of these that I also wanted to
Speaker 2: poke a little attention out, which was the Prime Minister
Speaker 2: say he has no regrets now. Of course we know
Speaker 2: chiefly and easily decision to send the country to a
Speaker 2: referendum that ultimately was sixty forty no cost four hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty million dollars and in terms of progressives put
Speaker 2: back many many causes.
Speaker 1: You think that he would find a way to say
Speaker 1: that he regretted that.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, of course not everything is awesome and
Speaker 2: only Peter Dutton's the problem.
Speaker 1: Right, what's your biggest regret?
Speaker 8: Well, of course, of course any prime minister can do
Speaker 8: things in a way.
Speaker 3: That are perfect.
Speaker 1: Perhaps, and you know, I.
Speaker 8: Have a view that if you look at the media
Speaker 8: every morning, I don't feel the need to give myself
Speaker 8: a character assessment.
Speaker 2: He of course is talking at an event where the media.
Speaker 2: Now admittedly it's the canber Press Gallery, so this is
Speaker 2: the media that doesn't like all that all full stuff
Speaker 2: that appears in the media they don't control. But you
Speaker 2: would think that part of if the polls are showing
Speaker 2: us that there's a very significant number of people and
Speaker 2: there is a very significant number of people who don't
Speaker 2: like the Prime minister's leadership, a majority of people believing
Speaker 2: that he is doing a poor job. That rather than
Speaker 2: sort of eye rolling and doing the little giggle about
Speaker 2: the media, why't I be slightly self effacing Why not
Speaker 2: say we could have done this, we could have done that,
Speaker 2: but the point is we've learned out lesson and then
Speaker 2: here we go again. Instead, he thinks that basically he
Speaker 2: will be protected by the people in that room, and
Speaker 2: for of course labor politicians, it ends up being frankly
Speaker 2: a home game. But something I also wanted to point
Speaker 2: out about the opinion polls at the moment, which is
Speaker 2: that as stern as some of us may be in
Speaker 2: our views, there's a significant number of people who aren't.
Speaker 2: But there's a couple of things about the polls I
Speaker 2: wanted to show you, which is, sixty six percent of
Speaker 2: people they are committed to their vote, So thirty four
Speaker 2: percent is sort of still up for grabs, but basically.
Speaker 1: Two thirds of the game has alway decided.
Speaker 2: Now that's deciding whether they're going to go blue, red, yellow, independent,
Speaker 2: something else. Thirty four percent sliding around, but that titans
Speaker 2: will right up when we get to the question in
Speaker 2: again the turnbul Times poll, the essential poll, what percentage
Speaker 2: of people are undecided about which way their vote's.
Speaker 1: Going to go?
Speaker 2: Just five percent of people in that particular pole, So
Speaker 2: anywhere between five and thirty four percent of people apparently
Speaker 2: potentially up for grabs.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about.
Speaker 2: That in a Sunday Night segment which begins right now,
Speaker 2: which is state.
Speaker 1: Of the Race.
Speaker 2: Now, obviously we get closer, we get more polling, we'll
Speaker 2: start to work out who's up, who's down, all the
Speaker 2: rest of it. But the idea here is that while
Speaker 2: you are committed to a channel like this and a
Speaker 2: program like this and all the detail in the uphill
Speaker 2: and downdale of politics, I want to get people on
Speaker 2: who might be able to challenge some of our views,
Speaker 2: but also to put some data behind some of our
Speaker 2: perceptions and experience behind them as well. Simon Welsh we
Speaker 2: met last week from the Red Bridge organization. They're the
Speaker 2: ones who do polling and a whole bunch of insights,
Speaker 2: which in part is built with long, extensive conversations with voters.
Speaker 2: Lovely to see you again, Simon, and the great Michael Kroger,
Speaker 2: a carryout a CHAMPI has always strongly affiliated with the
Speaker 2: Liberal Party, and there is no surprise that he, like me,
Speaker 2: has a strong opinion about how the world works.
Speaker 1: So, lads, I.
Speaker 2: Wanted to ask a couple of things about the unofficial
Speaker 2: reset of the official reset of the official beginning of
Speaker 2: the end of the It's.
Speaker 1: Like, okay, guys, guys, guys.
Speaker 2: Anyone who's kind of turned on the news notes it
Speaker 2: didn't stop over summer, right, it doesn't stop over summer.
Speaker 2: In an election year, you just have fifteen ways of
Speaker 2: reintroducing yourself.
Speaker 1: But let's get to those numbers.
Speaker 2: I was saying, where it could be anywhere from five
Speaker 2: percent in some polls to thirty four percent of people
Speaker 2: that are either undecided or haven't started to lock in
Speaker 2: their views.
Speaker 1: Simon, I'll start with you.
Speaker 2: What does it say to you that at this stage
Speaker 2: of the cycle, whether it is not the official thirty
Speaker 2: three day election campaign where people on television say, well,
Speaker 2: people are only starting to tune in because they don't
Speaker 2: like the results of the polls that are coming out.
Speaker 2: What does it tell you about this cycle compared to say,
Speaker 2: last one, when the frist on in the air was
Speaker 2: pretty obvious, which was that they wanted to dump the government.
Speaker 1: Are there more undecided now fewer? What do you see?
Speaker 9: Yeah, we're definitely seeing more undecided at this stage, and
Speaker 9: just quickly that disparity between the five percent thirty five percent.
Speaker 9: I think we'll come back to how they're sort of
Speaker 9: calculating those two categories. I think one might be a
Speaker 9: straight out message, a straight out sort of response people
Speaker 9: saying undecided. I suspect the other ones got people that
Speaker 9: might be leaning one way or the other but aren't
Speaker 9: truly committed to it. So they might be showing up
Speaker 9: as labor voters or liberal voters in the pole, but
Speaker 9: they'ren't there, they're not committed, they're not strong behind that fact.
Speaker 9: I suspect that's what's going on there. But certainly, yeah,
Speaker 9: well we're seeing there's a lot of up in the
Speaker 9: air now, and unsurprisingly particularly in those outer suburban contest
Speaker 9: seats where this election is going to be decided a
Speaker 9: lot because you've got a lot of voters out there
Speaker 9: that are coming off the labor pith, you know, and
Speaker 9: they're not sure which way they're going to go there.
Speaker 9: They're sort of not have what they're saying, you know,
Speaker 9: they've been shaken out of the tree, but they're not
Speaker 9: exactly sure where they're going to run yet. So labor's
Speaker 9: facing threats, yes, to the libbus, but also you know,
Speaker 9: if there's good independent campaigns and those sorts of things
Speaker 9: in those areas. So I think that's feeding into a
Speaker 9: lot of this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, Michael, what about to this point where we
Speaker 2: read opinion polling about what's happening in Victoria that people
Speaker 2: just don't listen to the government anymore. We all know
Speaker 2: that there's that stage. What are the signs to you
Speaker 2: that Australians aren't listening that. Yes, there are some people
Speaker 2: that have been shaken out of its tree, but there
Speaker 2: are the ones who go, you know what, every time
Speaker 2: I see insert politician, most likely the Prime Minister in
Speaker 2: this case, say you know what, I don't care. I
Speaker 2: don't care what he offers me. I don't want to
Speaker 2: hear him.
Speaker 10: So the globalsitegeist has changed and Albanese he's caught in
Speaker 10: this terrible situation where he is. For his whole life,
Speaker 10: he's been part of the hard left, the extreme left
Speaker 10: in Australian politics, and people are getting to know that.
Speaker 10: I mean October twenty three he comes up with his
Speaker 10: extremest referendum to change our constitution, to divide the nation
Speaker 10: by race forever. So from that day onwards, his polls
Speaker 10: have slipped right. There's a global movement against left politics
Speaker 10: for all the reasons We know this is hitting Albaneze
Speaker 10: hard and I don't know what he can do to
Speaker 10: turn it around. I'm not sure he can do much.
Speaker 10: People in the outer servers have just decided this guy's
Speaker 10: priority was half a billion dollars on the voice, massive
Speaker 10: government spending, which they know increases inflation, failing to protect
Speaker 10: Jewish Australians from this shocking, disgusting antisemitism we've seen in
Speaker 10: this country.
Speaker 3: We see more anarchy in our.
Speaker 10: Streets, against synagogues, against childcare centers, against Jewish homes. They're
Speaker 10: working middle class, the middle class, the swinging voters who've
Speaker 10: been with labor look at this and think this guy
Speaker 10: has completely lost control of this country, and there to
Speaker 10: vote against him in droves. And you know, as you know, Mat,
Speaker 10: I've been saying for months, Dutton's on seventy two. Dutton
Speaker 10: could well win in his own right.
Speaker 2: At this stage that would require the total blowout of
Speaker 2: the Teals. And I really don't want to have till
Speaker 2: talk every Sunday night, But where do you see that happening?
Speaker 1: Michael?
Speaker 2: And then Simon a response to what Michael might be suggesting,
Speaker 2: he because I know you guys have got down into
Speaker 2: sort of the seats as well, Michael, take us from
Speaker 2: seventy two to seventy six.
Speaker 10: Well, I've included the Western Australian Teal as a Liberal seat.
Speaker 10: It's only one in a bit percent, so we'll we'll
Speaker 10: win that and two others in Western Australia. I think
Speaker 10: went Worth on a knife edge for a Leegra spender.
Speaker 10: The Liberals could well win that back. There's a very
Speaker 10: significant Jewish population and all the to or two of
Speaker 10: credits she's been supportive.
Speaker 1: It's not no.
Speaker 10: One's as supportive as Peter Dutton has been. And in
Speaker 10: times of enormous crisis like this, you go those who've
Speaker 10: loved you longest, and that's the coalition going right back
Speaker 10: to Mensies, particularly through the powered period on recent time
Speaker 10: when he and Downer and Costello were always supporting Israel,
Speaker 10: the United Nations in Victoria. Look the labor votes collapsing
Speaker 10: in Victoria, partly to do with Albo, but mainly because
Speaker 10: of the massive unpopularity of the state labor government here.
Speaker 10: People have just had enough Daniel Andrews, he brought two
Speaker 10: elections in eighteen and twenty two. He's bankrupted the state.
Speaker 10: People have had enough of just Cindre alland Labor are
Speaker 10: going to dub her. They're just over the Labor Party here. Now,
Speaker 10: the Teal vote in Couyong and Goldstein was held up
Speaker 10: by the Labor Party people strategically switching their vote from
Speaker 10: Labor to the Teals. Yes, I wonder whether there isn't
Speaker 10: a lot of significant bio remorse they're thinking we've swop
Speaker 10: Josh Fredenberg for Monique Ryan and Tim Wilson for the
Speaker 10: Teal there. So I think the Teal's now in trouble
Speaker 10: in those two seats as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Simon, when we went through the Resolve
Speaker 2: poll last week, particularly on preferred Prime Minister, the blowout
Speaker 2: is Queensland, but close to a blowout is New South
Speaker 2: Wales and a very clear lead is in Victoria.
Speaker 1: Again.
Speaker 2: You put out some polling towards the end of last
Speaker 2: year where there was a whole collection at fifty to fifty.
Speaker 1: On the best possible night.
Speaker 2: Is Michael going to have, you know, predictions that all
Speaker 2: go well or is the reality that you know there's
Speaker 2: there's a certain window we can't see at the moment.
Speaker 9: Yeah, the election is going to be decided in New
Speaker 9: South Wales and Victoria. Yep, Libbs could pick up a
Speaker 9: couple of seats in Wa, but it's only a couple
Speaker 9: of that you're going to make up the eighteen seats.
Speaker 9: So you need numbers. You need those big numbers. Those
Speaker 9: big numbers are in New South Wales and Victoria. They're
Speaker 9: not in the tail seats. Our polling is consistently showing
Speaker 9: that the teal's largely holding your own. Now that said,
Speaker 9: you could pick up a curtain or something like that,
Speaker 9: but equally you could lose a brad Field, so there
Speaker 9: could be this sort of swapping and changing. The other
Speaker 9: thing that sort of bolsters the till vote is demographic change.
Speaker 9: These electorates are highly mobile elector and there was young
Speaker 9: people pouring into those electorates all the time, tens of thousands.
Speaker 9: So you know, I think you know the idea that
Speaker 9: even if sort of there is this by remorse, I
Speaker 9: think that demographic story holds up the teals in most
Speaker 9: of those seats where it's Wentworth or Kuyong or Goldstein.
Speaker 9: But that's there could be one or two that go,
Speaker 9: but I think you'd probably get one or two that
Speaker 9: swap in and out. But yeah, the big story, the
Speaker 9: big focus has got to be picking up big numbers
Speaker 9: of seats in Western Sydney, in the Hunter in the
Speaker 9: outer northern Western and even the eastern suburbs of Melbourne.
Speaker 9: That's there the places to watch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you can.
Speaker 2: You can start literally from the south coast at Gilmore
Speaker 2: through the Benlong to really easy ones in and around
Speaker 2: about a thousand votes changing. And then of course as
Speaker 2: you go further up the pendulumin in different places.
Speaker 1: And remember things can be confusing too.
Speaker 2: Where remember in the Queensland election, right clear majority get
Speaker 2: rid of the previous government, but the most marginal seat
Speaker 2: in the entire state was held by the Labour Party
Speaker 2: was Bunderberg and they held on to the seat. They
Speaker 2: lost ones that theoretically were harder to change. So when
Speaker 2: you start looking at pendulums and all the rest of it,
Speaker 2: there's many factors behind it. I wanted to talk to
Speaker 2: both of you about the Prime Minister and this idea
Speaker 2: about Okay, every pole you look at, he's below water
Speaker 2: on an indicy somewhere, but particularly significant things in and
Speaker 2: around you know, his leadership or even as I said,
Speaker 2: some of these preferred prime minister things. The start of
Speaker 2: the year, the Lucy Goosey just before everyone comes back time,
Speaker 2: that's the time to say, you know what, you're right,
Speaker 2: I got this wrong. But he's decided to say, no,
Speaker 2: that's just the media talking about it.
Speaker 1: Simon.
Speaker 2: If the Prime minister did adopt a process not of
Speaker 2: sitting there and listing every mistake he made on every day,
Speaker 2: but owning a mistake more honestly, do you think that
Speaker 2: that reopens the door for some soft voters.
Speaker 9: I think the first challenge is there, You've got to
Speaker 9: get a politician to acknowledge.
Speaker 1: They may yea, yeah, yeah, yah, yeah. I realized that.
Speaker 9: Yeah, absolutely, and I think you sort of you mentioned
Speaker 9: this in your intro. I think one of the things
Speaker 9: so that the informational landscape has changed around politics. It
Speaker 9: used to be that, you know, you're political information was
Speaker 9: mediated by the meta and all these sorts of things,
Speaker 9: and even if you wanted to switch off from it,
Speaker 9: it was difficult because it was always there the six
Speaker 9: o'clock and use those sorts of things. That is no
Speaker 9: longer the landscape we are in. We're in a landscape
Speaker 9: now where politicians have to compete for attention because you've
Speaker 9: got social media. People create their own new speeds, et cetera,
Speaker 9: et cetera. So you need to cut through. And yes,
Speaker 9: that is hugely about what you've got to say, but
Speaker 9: it is also very much about how you say it.
Speaker 9: And you know, we hear it in the focus groups
Speaker 9: all the time that you know, politicians that sound like politicians,
Speaker 9: we just zone out.
Speaker 1: Now. When people say they zone.
Speaker 9: Out, now, that literally means they stopped the video, they
Speaker 9: click on another link and open something else. They completely
Speaker 9: stopped listening. It's not like the sort of sitting on
Speaker 9: I'm just zoning out while I'm watching this piece, this
Speaker 9: article on the news, but I'm kind of taking it
Speaker 9: in it there. Really it's in the background, that's not
Speaker 9: even happening. So I think absolutely, I think all politicians
Speaker 9: need to think about how they communicate, to cut through
Speaker 9: and differentiate themselves from these sort of SoundBite, rehearsed kind
Speaker 9: of kind of political lines.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, do I saylief if like a doctor
Speaker 2: pimple popper turns up on your Instagram feed, you go, no,
Speaker 2: that's just that's some people are going to be like
Speaker 2: that about politics. And the more they do that, then
Speaker 2: the less of it's going to appear, and the fewer
Speaker 2: people they get to so last one here, Michael is
Speaker 2: The Labor Party seems to believe get Dutton is some
Speaker 2: magical strategy that eventually if we can all point at
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton like the balls on Jim Chalmers to say, oh,
Speaker 2: if you vote for Peter Dunton, everything gets worse. When
Speaker 2: they were the ones that promised three years ago vote
Speaker 2: for us, everything gets better, and everything did get worse.
Speaker 1: I know this must work the act.
Speaker 2: I know this must work in the corridor as a
Speaker 2: radio national but it doesn't work in the real world.
Speaker 10: No, but it doesn't. And they've been trying this for
Speaker 10: two years. They don't forget, and does numbers keep getting stronger.
Speaker 10: I mean attacking the opposition leader is not a substitute
Speaker 10: for explaining your second term agender and giving people a
Speaker 10: really strong reason to vote for you. I mean it's
Speaker 10: you know, Dutton wasn't all that popular in Victoria before
Speaker 10: he became leader. Now people are, as they call it,
Speaker 10: Dutton curious and a lot of people now respect him.
Speaker 10: Don't forget, don't forget. It's not in Federally, it's far
Speaker 10: more important to be respected than popular. No one ever
Speaker 10: liked Malcolm Fraser but he's got the two biggest majorities ever.
Speaker 10: John Howard was told not to bother at eighteen percent,
Speaker 10: et cetera, et cetera. The other thing, so attacking Dutton
Speaker 10: is not going to work.
Speaker 3: It's not going to work.
Speaker 10: It's failed for two years eventhing albaneze he's tried for
Speaker 10: the last six or eight months.
Speaker 3: The reset has failed.
Speaker 10: The other thing I should mention that's working badly against
Speaker 10: labor here in Victoria, or these Palestinian demonstrations and this
Speaker 10: Australia DAID demonstration today. So people are going to pick
Speaker 10: up people in the outer servers are going to pick
Speaker 10: up the paper tomorrow and read that at this demonstration
Speaker 10: today where the Palestinian extremists got together with these you know,
Speaker 10: the many of whom hate Australia, you know, demonstrations against
Speaker 10: Australia day. The speakers of this demonstration today described the
Speaker 10: police as racists, people who are attending the tennis tonight
Speaker 10: as fascists. What and then if you think that's bad enough,
Speaker 10: you think that's bad enough. One of the speakers got
Speaker 10: up and said the government is trying to make Aboriginal
Speaker 10: people extinct. In other words, one of those extremists got
Speaker 10: up and basically said, Alberanzi is trying to kill the Aboriginal,
Speaker 10: murder of the Aboriginal population.
Speaker 3: These people are on another planet.
Speaker 10: And you know, rightly or wrongly, Albanesi, because he's associated
Speaker 10: with the hard left of Australian politicis has said, as
Speaker 10: he always has been, in the hard left of the
Speaker 10: Labor Party. People sort of consider Albanizi a fellow traveler.
Speaker 10: The voters down here sort of see Albanezy, as you know,
Speaker 10: a fellow traveler of these leftists, because that's the way
Speaker 10: he's always been. He's been incredibly weak on Israeli, He's
Speaker 10: been incredibly weak on the Jewish community. So they're suffering
Speaker 10: a lot down here because of these extremist demonstrations. They
Speaker 10: are not helping Labor in the marginal seats at all.
Speaker 1: Fascinating.
Speaker 2: All right, lads, let us reconvene again next week. I
Speaker 2: do appreciate it. Enjoy Wodonga, enjoy Melbourne, love it to
Speaker 2: see you both. Will see you all again very soon.
Speaker 2: All right, quick break back with more plenty to fire
Speaker 2: up about for the rest of the show. No snow
Speaker 2: left is.
Speaker 1: We're going to get right into it.
Speaker 2: With a great James ashby Gary Hardgrave, bold predictions for
Speaker 2: the week ahead.
Speaker 1: And a big dose of Trump more than a second.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for watching.
Speaker 2: So if I'm a little bit not often the game,
Speaker 2: but you can just tell that it's a public holiday
Speaker 2: vibe happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah it.
Speaker 2: Is because last night I was in Brisbane for Luke Combs,
Speaker 2: the American country music superstar, who is the first country
Speaker 2: artist to ever sell out Suncorp Stadium. Tens of thousands
Speaker 2: of people, not a ticket anywhere in town. Country was
Speaker 2: cool and everyone sort of Texas style, was getting around
Speaker 2: in their boots, in their hats. Brisbane was taken over
Speaker 2: by those of us that don't mind a bit of
Speaker 2: country music.
Speaker 1: Now, a couple of things.
Speaker 2: If you run a radio station, can you play some
Speaker 2: of his music on the radio?
Speaker 1: Chris Stapleton's as well. It's basically rock music. Find a
Speaker 1: way to get it on. There's a football stadium.
Speaker 2: Of people by the way, two nights, so one hundred
Speaker 2: thousand people who would like to hear it.
Speaker 1: And God love it.
Speaker 2: Just not Cold Chisel for the five hundred and eighty
Speaker 2: third time this year. As for Australian country music, the
Speaker 2: ten Worth Country Music Festival come into a close and
Speaker 2: Troy cassa Daily has yet again been honored.
Speaker 1: For his incredible work latest album.
Speaker 2: He's now got forty five of those beautiful golden guitars.
Speaker 2: Gary Hardgrave legend Australian broadcasting. I'm sure if he just
Speaker 2: had access to a radio show, would just play nothing
Speaker 2: but country music if you'd liked.
Speaker 1: It at the top of each hour. But we'll have
Speaker 1: to find out tomorrow, won't we on four BC and.
Speaker 2: The wonderful James Ashby of course joining us from Napoon
Speaker 2: where half of the people in the stadium came from
Speaker 2: last night. Gary, Brisbane was a country music town this weekend.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and half of four b c's staff actually went
Speaker 3: to Luke Coomb's over the last couple of nights. Mate.
Speaker 3: So we played a little bit on Friday previewing the program,
Speaker 3: and I think we found Brisbane's greatest Luke Coombs actually
Speaker 3: amongst the four b C family. Yeah, a fair chance.
Speaker 3: We'll have to reprise a bit of that toimemorrow and
Speaker 3: amongst all of the great talk about Australia day my.
Speaker 2: Oth ll right, you can hear it tomorrow from three o'clock.
Speaker 2: Good to see the Australian flag behind you.
Speaker 1: Let's get into.
Speaker 2: Not not the traditional ballfaest about Australian Day, but about
Speaker 2: what you saw today, James.
Speaker 1: What did you see in and around Now I'm not
Speaker 1: talking about what the.
Speaker 2: Local council did, but did you see flag on the
Speaker 2: back of a jet ski? Did you see sort of
Speaker 2: you know, a slightly more people in the park. How
Speaker 2: did you see it being celebrated?
Speaker 4: Well, I had three flags up this Australia. They won
Speaker 4: on the on the.
Speaker 11: Aerial of the car, one on the front veranda and
Speaker 11: one on the flag pole itself. So and I agree
Speaker 11: with you what you said, Paul. Go and buy a
Speaker 11: flag pole on eBay. There are hundred bucks and they
Speaker 11: take fifteen minutes to set with.
Speaker 4: A bag of concrete.
Speaker 11: So just go and do it, and go and ask
Speaker 11: your local politician for a free flag.
Speaker 4: They love it when you do that. By the way,
Speaker 4: they've got budgets.
Speaker 3: That dominate it for it.
Speaker 1: That's a very good, actually great day.
Speaker 3: Yeah they do.
Speaker 11: They've got huge budgets for it. So especially the lower
Speaker 11: House members, we had a great day. Cheryl Kempton's our
Speaker 11: candidate for Capricorny and she hosts a fantastic Australia Day
Speaker 11: with myself and about sixty other people here. So yeah,
Speaker 11: Livingston put it on this year as a shier council.
Speaker 11: I'm proud of them for doing it, not backing your way.
Speaker 11: So yeah, terrific day. And yes there were a hell
Speaker 11: of a lot of Australian flags out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again you know, I'm trying to avoid the
Speaker 2: the I word and I debate, but gary to what
Speaker 2: I was observing about some of the signs right now. Again,
Speaker 2: people in a free society, you can march against what
Speaker 2: you believe to be an injustice.
Speaker 1: What you believe to be is the majority that's in
Speaker 1: the wrong. But great, I'm all up for it. That's
Speaker 1: the joy of the free country. Right.
Speaker 2: But when you start to see that the colony will fall,
Speaker 2: abolish the day to the colony, there's something for some
Speaker 2: of these people that is not.
Speaker 1: About this day and this nation.
Speaker 2: It's a wider attempt to pull down the Western world
Speaker 2: brick by brick, isn't.
Speaker 3: It absolutely Paul? And let me tell you the federal
Speaker 3: member for Ryan, the Greens member won't give out Australian flags,
Speaker 3: refuses to do it donates money to some local kitchen,
Speaker 3: for instance, and it's disgusting. And look, if we're going
Speaker 3: to have flag envy, James, we had three or four
Speaker 3: flying at our place too. We've got a flagpole, have
Speaker 3: been out front for years and I've put it up
Speaker 3: every day because it's important. We fly it and wrap
Speaker 3: it down to half staff on important days. But Paul,
Speaker 3: you're right, this is not about This is not about
Speaker 3: having a go at Australia Day, which of course is
Speaker 3: an important day to half our population. They've sworn Australian
Speaker 3: citizenship or their parents did on this day. You know
Speaker 3: that That's really what it's about now, the future, not
Speaker 3: just the past. But these people want to destroy our country.
Speaker 3: They don't like our country, they don't want the flag flying,
Speaker 3: they don't want Australia Day celebrated, because they don't want
Speaker 3: us to be a country. And the people like I
Speaker 3: saw an Upper House member in Victoria that was celebrating
Speaker 3: some former Australian of the Year who wore a profanity
Speaker 3: on a T shirt. I actually think that's going to
Speaker 3: sink Alban easy. The fact that he actually allowed that
Speaker 3: at his home, at his Sydney home, we fund on
Speaker 3: the Australian of the Year day. Look, Paul, the sentiment
Speaker 3: in Australia is very strong for this country. I think
Speaker 3: they're looking at what's happening in America and say, you
Speaker 3: know what, Australia First, all about Australia. Let's talk about
Speaker 3: how do we make Australia great again? How do we
Speaker 3: make elbow go away? I actually think it's real. I
Speaker 3: think it's right here. And I spent an entire last
Speaker 3: twelve months boycotting Woolworths because they failed to commemorate it
Speaker 3: and any other company that thinks that it's a great
Speaker 3: idea to pour scorn on the majority of us, if
Speaker 3: not just about every one of us over Australia. Day
Speaker 3: they're the visive, they're not happy with Australia. Then they
Speaker 3: can go. There's planes leaving almost every hour for another country.
Speaker 1: See ya later.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about what some people would like to see,
Speaker 2: which is, you know a little bit of a little
Speaker 2: bit of Trump dust in and around this election campaign.
Speaker 1: That'd be good.
Speaker 2: And certainly just enterprise is going to be a weapon
Speaker 2: going after a financial waste. All the rest of it,
Speaker 2: perhaps not the full Doge but she is going to
Speaker 2: be somebody who remember when it was the specificity of
Speaker 2: the referendum and the specificity of that debate, she was believable.
Speaker 2: The nature of a previous shadow ministry meant that effectively
Speaker 2: that was her focus, you know, essentially what previously had
Speaker 2: been called government waste or anything like that, much broader
Speaker 2: capacity to go after many other things in the governments.
Speaker 2: So very clever moved there from Peter Dutton. But James,
Speaker 2: let's not ignore the elephants in the room here in
Speaker 2: the day since Trump became the president, it was we're
Speaker 2: staying in Paris. Since Trump became president, Dutton says, you know,
Speaker 2: he's not going to buy into to the gender game.
Speaker 2: So it is going to be if it is Trump dust,
Speaker 2: it's going to be Trump dust, not a big dose
Speaker 2: of Donald across our election.
Speaker 11: No, Peter Dutton lacks the persona of a Donald Trump.
Speaker 11: So he's not the Donald Trump that people are hoping for.
Speaker 11: I know there's a lot of people.
Speaker 4: Out there expecting big things out of Dutton. He's a
Speaker 4: nice guy.
Speaker 11: He's the better of two evils when it comes to
Speaker 11: who's going to run this country after this next federal election.
Speaker 11: But we're going to see big, bold statements and moves
Speaker 11: from the opposition.
Speaker 3: No we're not.
Speaker 11: And when it comes to Australia's very own Department of
Speaker 11: Government efficiency, that is not going to happen either.
Speaker 4: You know, there's probably one hundred billion.
Speaker 11: Dollars worth of savings that really could be carved up
Speaker 11: on a federal level. When you consider the duplication in
Speaker 11: departments on a federal and state level, what is the
Speaker 11: point of duplication, You've got to ask, Well, I think
Speaker 11: a lot of it comes down to the fact that,
Speaker 11: you know, the labor government over so long now have
Speaker 11: just been creating jobs out of thin air for the
Speaker 11: sake of employment purposes, and it's hard to get rid
Speaker 11: of them. And no one's got the courage to say
Speaker 11: we're going to take a red Niko and just slash
Speaker 11: and burn some of these departments, especially when you have
Speaker 11: a look at departments like the Department of Environment. Every
Speaker 11: state have their own Department of Environment and yet we've
Speaker 11: got this second overlay federally. Why doesn't Dalton take a
Speaker 11: bold move, which is centerprice, and say, bugger it, we're
Speaker 11: putting a red pen through it. We'll save ourselves thirty
Speaker 11: billion dollars, Indigenous affairs. Every state's got indigenous representation. Why
Speaker 11: do we need a duplication on a federal level?
Speaker 3: Education?
Speaker 11: Health, all those things we could put a marker through.
Speaker 11: But I don't think we're going to see the bold,
Speaker 11: decisive response that we see in America happening right now
Speaker 11: from someone like Peter Dutton. I wish you all the best, because,
Speaker 11: let me face it right now, a Peter Dutton government
Speaker 11: with the Coalition is a hell of a lot better
Speaker 11: than a second term Albanesi government.
Speaker 4: And I'll point this one thing out to you, Paul.
Speaker 4: It was pointed out to me today.
Speaker 11: The only thing that Anthony Alberzi has lived up to
Speaker 11: is transparency, because we can see right through him now.
Speaker 1: Very well said, very well said.
Speaker 2: By the way, newspol has just dropped the first one
Speaker 2: of the year shows the Coalition up fifty one forty nine.
Speaker 2: It shows that the preferred prime minister remains Anthony Abernezi. However,
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton is up three. That is now forty four
Speaker 2: to forty one, and fifty three percent of people across
Speaker 2: the entire regardless of whom they are planning to vote for,
Speaker 2: expect the Libs to win the upcoming election. There'll be
Speaker 2: plenty more to dig in there. We'll get into it
Speaker 2: as the day rolls on, but before everyone else pretends
Speaker 2: that they're.
Speaker 1: The ones who saw it first. Yeah, we just saw
Speaker 1: it come up on the Australians.
Speaker 2: Website, which is why Sunday Night's for the diehards.
Speaker 1: It's for the hard course.
Speaker 2: B here, get in first and turn up tomorrow and
Speaker 2: morning go yeah I heard that Tomorrow night. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I've seen that because we saw it with Sunday Night with.
Speaker 1: Paul First Quick breakback. We're more here on Paul Murray Lofe.
Speaker 2: Thank you for watching Royal Report in a few minutes,
Speaker 2: James Ashby with One Nation, Gary Hardgrave with the Wonderful
Speaker 2: Lady of four BC, and are popping up regularly here on.
Speaker 1: Scott News as well.
Speaker 2: I'll get your reaction to that news pole that pops
Speaker 2: because there's a couple of things there. Albanezi holds as
Speaker 2: preferred Prime Minister, different than the polls that showed that
Speaker 2: he was underwater in Nissoba's Queens and Victoria. You heard
Speaker 2: before with Simon talking about particularly Nissoba's Victoria having the
Speaker 2: seats to decide all of this, but then you see
Speaker 2: the other things here where the Libs in front when
Speaker 2: it comes to primary, in front when it comes to
Speaker 2: two pp. But the perception issue now too, James. If
Speaker 2: the majority of people think you are going to win,
Speaker 2: does that tell you that they're going to or just
Speaker 2: that an assumption is there and it's up to the
Speaker 2: Libs not to bank that. You've got to pretend that
Speaker 2: it's the other way around and fight fight.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 11: Yeah, Look, anything can change over a twelve week period.
Speaker 11: You know, slip ups are inevitable over the next couple
Speaker 11: of months, and it's how the opposition or the Prime
Speaker 11: Minister deals with them. It's not going to be easy
Speaker 11: for either side to win government in their own right.
Speaker 11: And I think this is the message that's starting to
Speaker 11: break through to a lot of voters, is that okay,
Speaker 11: if they're not going to govern in their own right,
Speaker 11: who is going to help them govern?
Speaker 4: And do we want the Greens to help them govern?
Speaker 11: Or do we want one nation for parties of conservative
Speaker 11: values to get behind, like a coalition government for example.
Speaker 11: So look, I would say to all conservative parties, particularly
Speaker 11: to that of Peter Dutton, now is not the time
Speaker 11: to take the foot off the accelerator. When it comes
Speaker 11: to giving it your all, it needs to go right
Speaker 11: down to the wire here and there are a lot
Speaker 11: of armchair critics at home, whether it be this program
Speaker 11: or others. If you are so hell bent on giving
Speaker 11: your advice and making sure that we get the right
Speaker 11: outcomes for this country, one day, just one day this year,
Speaker 11: can you just give up one day of your life
Speaker 11: to go and implement change that is volunteering to hand
Speaker 11: out for whatever party it might be.
Speaker 4: It can be one nation, could.
Speaker 11: Could be another one, but go and hand out how
Speaker 11: to vote cards and bring about the change that this
Speaker 11: country needs, because without your help, people sadly are not
Speaker 11: understanding how they need to implement change through the power
Speaker 11: of the ballot box.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. Gary, your advice to the people who
Speaker 2: are goingo we've won when they haven't and they could
Speaker 2: end up going backwards because that's the way elections go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, you're always one vote short. You've got to
Speaker 3: always go and talk to people about the stuff that's important.
Speaker 3: And you want to talk about government efficiency, how about
Speaker 3: a proposal that rids Australia's politics of public servants running
Speaker 3: departments who are paid twice what ministers are paid. We've
Speaker 3: got million dollar mandarins all over this country and if
Speaker 3: you want to save some real money, and James's idea
Speaker 3: of cutting that duplication is a valid idea. But Paul,
Speaker 3: I think Australians will be turned onto the idea that
Speaker 3: people are on a million dollars a year first in
Speaker 3: line to get the orders of Australia. They travel at
Speaker 3: the highest class, if not first class, business class, all
Speaker 3: around the world. They get the best seats at Olympics
Speaker 3: and other events like that, and they get paid a
Speaker 3: wage bigger than their boss, who's the minister, who, by
Speaker 3: the way of course works for us. So I think
Speaker 3: we've got to actually have a look at the way
Speaker 3: in which we lower the cost of government, get government
Speaker 3: out of our lives, and you can sprinkle the Trump dust.
Speaker 3: Peter Dutton is not Donald Trump. Australia is not America.
Speaker 3: We can't tell the world to go float their boats
Speaker 3: somewhere else over Paris simply because we can't sell goods
Speaker 3: overseas because everyone, you know, box ticks on whether or
Speaker 3: not we're doing something about whatever global emissions and whatever
Speaker 3: else is going on. But Paul, we can stand on
Speaker 3: our own two feet demand that our public sector is
Speaker 3: started by people doing the job, not those who are
Speaker 3: hiring consultants and setting themselves up for a career after
Speaker 3: their million dollar manda in time comes to an end.
Speaker 3: I think these are things that everyday Australians will relate
Speaker 3: to and labor have set up these enormous consultancy businesses
Speaker 3: within government, they really have, by the way in which
Speaker 3: they've hired so many of them. So I think there's
Speaker 3: a lot of good, good gris out there, and James's
Speaker 3: right pedal to the metal, keep going, Peter Dutton, I.
Speaker 1: Say, I think it'd be good.
Speaker 2: You know how Trump sort of did you know, Golf
Speaker 2: of Mexico's now Golf of America. You know, somebody's got
Speaker 2: to come out and say, you know, Golf of Carpenterrier gone,
Speaker 2: Golf of Peter Brook. That's what it'll be called into
Speaker 2: the future. We'll all find out whether it is votes
Speaker 2: the name that came to mind as I was working out,
Speaker 2: how will that be misinterpreted by the Internet.
Speaker 1: You're a purist, like, we're here for the content for
Speaker 1: media watch.
Speaker 2: Not only we pay your wage, we'll give you the
Speaker 2: content as well, all right, lad's a story about napping
Speaker 2: and power napping apparently great for your cognitive function blah
Speaker 2: blah blah, but apparently the amount of time that you
Speaker 2: should spend if you want the power n app not
Speaker 2: twenty minutes, not forty five ten, just ten minutes. Now,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. That's not a power n app. That's waking
Speaker 2: up while you're on a plane. Like I say, if
Speaker 2: you want to have a nap, it's three hours thoughts, gentlemen.
Speaker 4: Well, for me, I took on this afternoon.
Speaker 11: Yeah, a few beers in that hot sun, and I
Speaker 11: was out like a light on the couch this afternoon.
Speaker 4: And I'm with you, Paul, I think it was just
Speaker 4: shire three hours.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm saying, A nice solid three hour.
Speaker 2: That's the Australian siesta. I'm fine with that, Gary. Plenty
Speaker 2: of people have had it. And you know what, it
Speaker 2: feels like you've lived two days in one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I got so much power in James as
Speaker 3: isn't there for a three hour naps with you?
Speaker 1: Paul?
Speaker 3: That look? Mate? Ten minutes does it? Sometimes? Twenty minutes
Speaker 3: is pretty good, forty minutes is frightening, but two hours
Speaker 3: actually puts you into the wrong rhythm of some technical thing.
Speaker 3: But mate, I look cests work in so much of Europe,
Speaker 3: the biggest economies in the world enjoys. Yes, I don't
Speaker 3: know why we don't do the same thing. But you
Speaker 3: have to start work at six in the morning, okay,
Speaker 3: and finished at ten o'clock. I no.
Speaker 1: Probably. Also, I think the downside.
Speaker 2: To what James was saying before about the three hour nap,
Speaker 2: it's normally beers or burnout or a combination of both.
Speaker 1: That seems to be a significant part of how you
Speaker 1: get there.
Speaker 2: It's certainly the case for many people around Australia. Lads,
Speaker 2: I do appreciate it. We'll listen to you on the
Speaker 2: radio tomorrow. Gary, will see you on the Telly many
Speaker 2: times this week, Jakib obviously most importantly here next week.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: That is our show tonight. If you want to send
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Speaker 2: Are you back tomorrow for another big one? See you then.