Speaker 1: I'll get a team. Welcome to another installment, the new project.
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Speaker 1: You project? Hi TIV, my harps. I'm stumbling towards Christian.
Speaker 1: I'm getting my words muddled, My mort's waddled.
Speaker 2: Your brain's clocked off, your brain's gone on holidays.
Speaker 1: It can't clock off. You know why I can't clock off? Well, one,
Speaker 1: it's twelve thirty six and I've got a forty five
Speaker 1: minutes or so. Do you chat to you and the
Speaker 1: lovely doctor Lillian. But then it's fifteen hundred, which is
Speaker 1: two and a half hours away. I've got like a
Speaker 1: really big UNI meeting with all my supervisors, and I'm
Speaker 1: very I'm very scared. I'm thinking of taking some kind
Speaker 1: of stimulant ten minutes beforehand. Can you two recommend anything? Lilian,
Speaker 1: got anything that I can take that's going to improve
Speaker 1: my IQ by about thirty points?
Speaker 3: No, Well, take some responsibility and just deal with it.
Speaker 4: Fuck in the hell.
Speaker 5: Such a good stimulant A dice of responsibility for you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, take a cup of hardened the fuck up hops
Speaker 1: she's on fight today, I.
Speaker 2: Think to doctor Lilliam even more than normal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what have you got planned for Chrissy?
Speaker 4: Doc?
Speaker 1: We are that's the twentieth that's Frauday, so with five
Speaker 1: days out, but we're going to talk about chrisy. But
Speaker 1: is it a big deal in your family or do
Speaker 1: you just sil through it quietly?
Speaker 3: No, it's always been a big deal in our family
Speaker 3: and in Australia. This year, I actually have my mother here,
Speaker 3: so she's come from the States.
Speaker 4: Oh awesome. And is she here already?
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's been here for almost three weeks since she'll
Speaker 3: be here for another.
Speaker 4: Three And what is she Has she been here before?
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's been This is her ninth time. Oh wow, Wow,
Speaker 3: I've been here for thirty years. Did you know?
Speaker 5: Wow?
Speaker 4: That is a long time, and you've lost none of
Speaker 4: that accent?
Speaker 3: I know. I know people still ask like when I
Speaker 3: moved and when I like, I don't usually say thirty years.
Speaker 3: I usually like a really long time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well you know, it's been a minute. It's been
Speaker 4: a minute.
Speaker 3: But they're like, oh, it sounds like you just got here.
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, it's actually really hard to imitate the
Speaker 3: Australian accent. I don't know if well, you probably know
Speaker 3: that because a lot of actors try to do it
Speaker 3: and they can't. Uh, and I definitely cannot it either.
Speaker 4: A lot of a lot of really good Hollywood actors
Speaker 4: and famous actors are terrible at doing Some do, some can.
Speaker 3: Pull it off, but yeah, very few.
Speaker 1: I've never heard any that that sound completely Australian, like
Speaker 1: you couldn't pick it. Whereas like we grow up around
Speaker 1: American accents. I've probably heard more American accents definitely on
Speaker 1: television than Australian when I was growing up because all
Speaker 1: the all the comedies I watched, all this, you know,
Speaker 1: all the kind of series that.
Speaker 4: I watched, were I never watched.
Speaker 1: I'm probably quite unpatriotic in that I've never watched one
Speaker 1: episode of Neighbors or what's the other one, really, Home
Speaker 1: and Away. I don't know why I never watched, do
Speaker 1: you know what. I've tried quite a few casts members
Speaker 1: and now quite a few, and I've never watched one episode.
Speaker 3: So that is hilarious. You know, at the first show
Speaker 3: I ever saw that was an Australian show was Home
Speaker 3: and Away. I was actually in London. Yeah, and it
Speaker 3: was like in a like university kind of boarding house.
Speaker 3: We were just there for like a month and the
Speaker 3: only thing on TV like people were watching in like
Speaker 3: the main room was Home and Away And my friends
Speaker 3: and I were like, what is this show? And we
Speaker 3: just we just thought it was really funny because the
Speaker 3: soap operas in the US are like very dramatic and
Speaker 3: like unrealistic and like, you know, just crazy stuff happens.
Speaker 3: But in Home and Away it's like I'm moving out
Speaker 3: of my house. I'm going to show like you know,
Speaker 3: like it was just very like regular life stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh, I got a new pair of socks. What
Speaker 4: do you think of my socks?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Great, what do you think of my socks? That's awesome?
Speaker 4: Are now an ad And the theme.
Speaker 3: Song was great too. We memorize the theme song. We
Speaker 3: were like really into it.
Speaker 4: We were talking this is probably not what we're going
Speaker 4: to talk about, but we'll talk the other day.
Speaker 1: All the boys in the gym about all the all
Speaker 1: the shows we grew up watching in the sixties, seventies
Speaker 1: and eighties, and all the youngies are like, no idea
Speaker 1: what you're talking about, Like, you know, what do you mean,
Speaker 1: you don't know what Gilligan's Island is or The Brady
Speaker 1: Bunch is or Bewitched or I Dream a Jennie.
Speaker 3: Or come on, oh, I know. It's so sad, Oh
Speaker 3: my god, because even though those were like slightly before
Speaker 3: our time, even there were always reruns of those shows,
Speaker 3: so you knew those shows like Back and Back in Front,
Speaker 3: like yeah, and then you know they don't watch TV anymore.
Speaker 3: That's why.
Speaker 4: Well that's true. TV is dying.
Speaker 1: So traditional media, as the youngies call it, traditional media,
Speaker 1: normal radio, you know FREDDA in normal FMAM radio, and
Speaker 1: old school television. Yeah, it's definitely on the decline. And
Speaker 1: you're right. Kids basically watch everything on their phone or
Speaker 1: on you know, their laptop or their tablet or whatever.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And the thing is, because of the advent of things
Speaker 3: like TikTok, they don't even watch an entire episode, but
Speaker 3: they'll know about what's going on in a show from
Speaker 3: like little snippets of the main things that people put up.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I've actually because I've always loved television and
Speaker 3: movies and all sorts of stuff like that, So I
Speaker 3: we've always engaged our children in entertainment of that kind.
Speaker 3: And we've always had like family television show that either
Speaker 3: all of us watch together or like two of us watch. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And my daughter and I watched, for instance, the whole
Speaker 3: series of The Gilmore Girls together, which is it's such
Speaker 3: a mother daughter type of show. So it was like,
Speaker 3: but it's fun, it's very pop cultury, and it was
Speaker 3: really cool for me to watch it with her. And
Speaker 3: now we're watching a real, like a ninety show, The OC.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, yeah, And.
Speaker 3: I never watched when it was out, so I'm watching
Speaker 3: it fresh as well. So it's just fun to just pick,
Speaker 3: you know, it doesn't have to be like I don't know,
Speaker 3: I don't know what I think of the OC. It's
Speaker 3: entertaining enough. It's our show. We know when we have time,
Speaker 3: we're going to watch that show together until it's over,
Speaker 3: and then we'll pick another show.
Speaker 1: You told me about The Gilmore Girls a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago, and I know everybody would go, oh my god,
Speaker 1: to get I watched a couple of episodes.
Speaker 4: I'm going to be honest. It wasn't terrible.
Speaker 3: It was great.
Speaker 1: It wasn't terrible, but it's like old. It's like started
Speaker 1: twenty years ago. Now look at TIFFs Sperky. I don't
Speaker 1: mind a bit of the Gilmore Girls, Tiff. I don't
Speaker 1: mind a little bit of do you know what I like?
Speaker 1: I like watching stuff that doesn't make me think particularly hard.
Speaker 1: It doesn't make me feel anxious because there's it's fucking
Speaker 1: horror and blood and people getting chopped up down now
Speaker 1: and you know, violence, And I don't mind a bit
Speaker 1: of like silly violence, but stuff that actually I come
Speaker 1: away from it feeling worse than when I sat down.
Speaker 4: To watch it, you know what I mean? Yeah, what's
Speaker 4: the point. It's like movies where you go and pay thirty.
Speaker 1: Bucks or whatever you pay these days, and you sit
Speaker 1: there and you be anxious for two hours.
Speaker 4: You're like, why the fuck do I do that to myself?
Speaker 3: Well, look, I think that could be fun. A lot
Speaker 3: of people think that's fine. I don't mind a little
Speaker 3: bit of like suspense or mystery. I don't want to
Speaker 3: see horror or like real life crime. Stuff like that
Speaker 3: doesn't interest me at all. Like you said, why do
Speaker 3: I want to expose myself to that? I want to
Speaker 3: be entertained and get something out of it. But a
Speaker 3: drama every once in a while, having a good crime
Speaker 3: front of the TV. Sometimes that's cathartic as well.
Speaker 4: I do that.
Speaker 1: I get done on Instagram with the reels, like I
Speaker 1: cry puppies thirteen times a day. And then like, you
Speaker 1: know what else makes me cry? War veterans coming home,
Speaker 1: moms and dads to their kids and they walk into
Speaker 1: the classroom. Yeah, and then there's this you know, this
Speaker 1: mum or dad in all their bloody army or their
Speaker 1: you know, marine garb, and then the little kid.
Speaker 4: Just that's it. I'm out fast.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's beautiful, like a bit baby.
Speaker 1: Hey, I don't want to go over something we've spoken
Speaker 1: about too much on this show, but just quickly I
Speaker 1: wanted to touch on something that David Gillespie, who's a regular
Speaker 1: on here aka Gillesspo, he wrote an article recently based
Speaker 1: on some new research that came out of the Lancet
Speaker 1: and that is that Melbourne has got more anxious and
Speaker 1: depressed teenagers than any other city in the world. And
Speaker 1: so the statistic that's in published in the Lancet Psychiatry
Speaker 1: is that three out of four, or obviously seventy five
Speaker 1: percent of Melbourne teenagers are struggling with anxiety or depression
Speaker 1: and obviously it's been linked to tech.
Speaker 3: Is that astounding to you, Well, I mean the stat
Speaker 3: that teenagers in general are very anxious and anxiety is
Speaker 3: growing among that group is not surprising to me because
Speaker 3: that has been what the research has been saying for
Speaker 3: a while. Yeah, I guess it's surprising to hear that
Speaker 3: Melbourne is like at the height of that. I guess
Speaker 3: if you think about technology, I mean, Australia is very forward,
Speaker 3: like they're early adopters of technology, so potentially we're using
Speaker 3: it more. And if we're going to say, I don't
Speaker 3: know that technology is the only reason, right, but if
Speaker 3: it's one of the main reasons, and the way that
Speaker 3: we use it and how often we use it and
Speaker 3: how social media is used here so prolifically, then potentially
Speaker 3: it makes sense for teenagers here to have more. But
Speaker 3: I don't know that it would. It must be significantly
Speaker 3: more for that to have been published in the lanset.
Speaker 3: But I think overall, youth anxiety is growing.
Speaker 1: You think maybe there's also a relationship because we were
Speaker 1: I don't know we were the number one, but definitely
Speaker 1: in the top few most locked down cities the longest period.
Speaker 4: I mean, whatever, it was for Yeah, it was like
Speaker 4: almost a year. It was like a yearish where kids
Speaker 4: couldn't be kids essentially, well, they couldn't be normal, you know,
Speaker 4: free range roaming kids. There were cage kids for a year.
Speaker 1: That's going to be especially you know, like if you're
Speaker 1: five years old, that's twenty percent of your life like
Speaker 1: that year.
Speaker 3: It's not even just the fact that children were not
Speaker 3: able to go to school regularly and see their friends regularly,
Speaker 3: but they were also in homes with stressed out parents.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3: So you have this kind of you know, exposure to
Speaker 3: anxiety and stress at a level that we've as a
Speaker 3: society haven't even experienced. Yeah, and you couldn't escape it
Speaker 3: because you couldn't go anywhere else.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 3: And when I think of like some of my clients
Speaker 3: who really struggle, a lot of people didn't struggle. I
Speaker 3: know that a lot of people did, but there were
Speaker 3: there was a segment of the community, we'll say the
Speaker 3: more privileged ones who were like, this is a break
Speaker 3: from going to work and I like hanging out with
Speaker 3: my family all the time, and you know, they have
Speaker 3: the resources and so they weren't struggling as much. But
Speaker 3: the families who you know already had like fewer resources,
Speaker 3: already were isolated. Yes, single parents with special needs kids, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, who count on the support and they can't
Speaker 3: do anything now. And now they're in a home and
Speaker 3: they have to manage children that have challenges, and they
Speaker 3: have to manage their own stress and anxiety. Was it
Speaker 3: was actually an impossible task. So then you're going to
Speaker 3: have kids that come out of that environment more stressed
Speaker 3: and anxious.
Speaker 1: So I remember a few months I don't know how
Speaker 1: many months in, maybe five or six months in and
Speaker 1: I hadn't seen my parents, and autosad it was going
Speaker 1: to draw to the thriving metropolis moll which there was
Speaker 1: a lot of kind of in a ladder, go more
Speaker 1: than five k's from your home and it's going to
Speaker 1: be some spectacular reason and you need to. And I
Speaker 1: just went, you know, and my mum, mom and dad
Speaker 1: have not been great over the last few years with
Speaker 1: various medical issues and dad had a heart attack and
Speaker 1: mums had multiple bouts of cancer and treatment.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, well, I'm going. And there was.
Speaker 1: About halfway about it, and it's about two hours. So
Speaker 1: at about that one hour mark on Princess Highway or freeway.
Speaker 1: There were blockades and there were cops everywhere, and I
Speaker 1: had to sit in line for like two kilometers. Then
Speaker 1: I had to basically plead my case with a which
Speaker 1: wasn't his fault.
Speaker 4: I'm like, what the fuck? Where are we? What is this?
Speaker 1: I had to explain who I was, who my parents was, were,
Speaker 1: where they live, Why I'm going there?
Speaker 4: Do I have to go there?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 1: And he, I mean, he was he was fine. It
Speaker 1: wasn't he was just doing what he was told to do.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, man, what is what?
Speaker 4: Where do we live? Now? What is this about? You know?
Speaker 3: And it was such a strange, strange time in our life,
Speaker 3: you know, it was completely unexpected and nobody knew how
Speaker 3: to deal with it properly, and and it was so stressful,
Speaker 3: like you said on that level too, like I couldn't
Speaker 3: go to the States for four years, Yes, yes, you
Speaker 3: know I was. I was trying to go every couple
Speaker 3: of years to see my family over there. My parents
Speaker 3: are getting older too, and you know, like four years
Speaker 3: is a massive block of time to not be able to,
Speaker 3: you know, go and see your loved ones. And I know,
Speaker 3: you know, of course, there were so many people who
Speaker 3: lost people during that time and they didn't get to
Speaker 3: be there for the those final moments, and you know,
Speaker 3: there's so much loss and so much stress and so
Speaker 3: much anxiety that over just that And it was a
Speaker 3: long time. It wasn't like one year one years ago time,
Speaker 3: but like it was like three crazy on and off.
Speaker 3: So yeah, there's going to be We're still feeling the
Speaker 3: impact and the effects of that for sure. And yeah,
Speaker 3: I would say that that makes a lot of sense
Speaker 3: in terms of why Melbourne youth might be more impacted
Speaker 3: than others.
Speaker 1: It could be a definitely could be a factor. If
Speaker 1: what's your this year? What's your I don't know underlying
Speaker 1: emotion around Christmas? Is it excitement? Is it indifference? Is
Speaker 1: it something else? Because I know you're you're staying in
Speaker 1: melts right and you live by yourself with your Fleeline
Speaker 1: and kla Canaine family. But how do you feel? Do
Speaker 1: you feel for me? I kind of feel like it's
Speaker 1: a Wednesday, but that's just me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's I feel a bit like that, Like I'm
Speaker 5: happy and I'm going to do some cool stuff on
Speaker 5: the day, but I'm not really attached to Christmas. I've
Speaker 5: been having a really good couple of months since coming
Speaker 5: back from a little trip, and so I feel good,
Speaker 5: and yeah, I've got no attachment to the day, but
Speaker 5: I'm making sure that that I do do something because
Speaker 5: if I don't, I've done that before and I get
Speaker 5: really sad because you know, there's an energy and a
Speaker 5: realization that you get up and everyone's with loved ones.
Speaker 5: And I remember doing that once and going, oh, dear,
Speaker 5: no one loves me.
Speaker 2: I'm really sad. Now. It was like, TI, if you
Speaker 2: chose this, yeah, I reckon.
Speaker 4: In the last two weeks, I've said to I don't know,
Speaker 4: I'm making it up, but about twenty people, you know,
Speaker 4: are you excited for Christmas? Or what is it?
Speaker 1: And I would think, I mean, it wasn't half, but
Speaker 1: maybe three or four when not not at all? I
Speaker 1: fucking hate it or I'm dreading it, or I hate
Speaker 1: my sister. I only say it once a year, she's
Speaker 1: a fucking nightmare. Or yeah, there's a I don't know
Speaker 1: what the percentage is, but I would think five percent
Speaker 1: of five ten percent of people really for a range
Speaker 1: of reasons, maybe because they're isolated, or maybe because they
Speaker 1: have to go and spend a day with people that
Speaker 1: don't want to, or maybe because it evokes, you know,
Speaker 1: things that happened or didn't happen in the past, or
Speaker 1: but it seems doc that not everybody associates the twenty
Speaker 1: fifth of December with joyful kind of emotions.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's absolutely right. I think it can
Speaker 3: actually be the worst time of year for a lot
Speaker 3: of people, like you said, for so many different reasons.
Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot of memories attached to Christmas
Speaker 3: as a holiday too and not maybe you know, a
Speaker 3: lot of people's memories of that might not be great,
Speaker 3: you know, in their childhood, so that carries on into
Speaker 3: adulthood as well, and also where you know, different people
Speaker 3: are in different phases of their life, you know, like
Speaker 3: for our family, we lost my father in law early
Speaker 3: this year, so it's the first Christmas without him, which
Speaker 3: is really different and difficult for the family. For us
Speaker 3: as a family, Christmas is generally a good time of year.
Speaker 3: It's like an excuse to get together and luckily we
Speaker 3: like each other just good, so it's like a nice gathering.
Speaker 3: But like it's going to have that tinge of sadness
Speaker 3: this year for sure, and Yeah, for some people that
Speaker 3: don't have family members to be with, and so it
Speaker 3: is quite isolating and it is hard to see, like
Speaker 3: you were saying, Tiffany, it's hard to see like all
Speaker 3: these other people, you know, this is the time where
Speaker 3: they're gathering with people, they're loved ones, and if that's
Speaker 3: not your experience, you feel like left out, like what
Speaker 3: other people are experiencing.
Speaker 4: How do we mitigate that? Because I feel like we
Speaker 4: and I'm not trying to be.
Speaker 1: Critical of anyone, but it's like, when you think about
Speaker 1: it on a level, on one level, it's Christmas, die,
Speaker 1: it's this, it's that, it's all those things, which is true.
Speaker 4: Also true, it.
Speaker 1: Is Wednesday, it is the day between Tuesday and Thursday,
Speaker 1: and so you know that expectational, that disappointment or that sadness,
Speaker 1: which I'm not saying is unreasonable, but we kind of
Speaker 1: created ourselves.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess so, But I guess it's an individual response, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: But I mean it's a societal holiday in a way.
Speaker 3: Like also, there's a lot of people where Christmas has
Speaker 3: no meaning for them and it isn't their holiday, right,
Speaker 3: So it's not everybody's holiday, that's true, But culturally, like
Speaker 3: places like Australia and the UK and the US culturally
Speaker 3: as a country, they celebrate it. So it's a little
Speaker 3: bit hard to be like, well, I'm creating this situation
Speaker 3: for myself, and it's actually like everywhere, right. You can't
Speaker 3: get away from the music, can't get away from the decoration,
Speaker 3: you can't get away from the wrapping paper. You know,
Speaker 3: you can't. Everyone's wishing everyone to marry Christmas like it's
Speaker 3: it's just like what's done pretty much prolifically at this
Speaker 3: time of year.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I wasn't trying to be critical of anyone, but what
Speaker 1: I'm thinking is, well, how do I how do I
Speaker 1: manage me in the middle, Like if this is not
Speaker 1: a great day for me, if I'm not excited, if
Speaker 1: i'm if I know that like rather than me than
Speaker 1: my emotions and feelings and a mental state being dictated
Speaker 1: by what's going on around me, how do I mitigate
Speaker 1: that or change that so that you know, as much
Speaker 1: as I can control my own state or experience, I'm
Speaker 1: doing that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think because it's predictable, like if you
Speaker 3: know how you experience the holiday, then it is really
Speaker 3: important to plan it for yourself, Like, what is that
Speaker 3: day going to be like for you? I know, my
Speaker 3: mother lives in the US, and my brothers live fairly
Speaker 3: close by, but they also have their own immediate families
Speaker 3: and my dad because my parents are divorced, so like
Speaker 3: there's it's spread. It's not like they can just spend
Speaker 3: the whole day with her. So what she did was
Speaker 3: she decided to volunteer that day, so she would go
Speaker 3: and do the you know, the food service volunteering, you know,
Speaker 3: in an organization nearby. And that made her feel good
Speaker 3: about the day because she was contributing, yes, and that
Speaker 3: always feels good, as we know, so like things like
Speaker 3: if she knew that that was going to be the
Speaker 3: case for her day, so she organized that for herself.
Speaker 3: And it doesn't always it doesn't have to be that,
Speaker 3: but it could be. You know, how are you going
Speaker 3: to comfort yourself on the day If you know that
Speaker 3: you're going to feel a little bit down and you
Speaker 3: can't necessarily control that feeling, what can you do to
Speaker 3: give yourself comfort and soothing and make it more pleasant
Speaker 3: and improve the moment or the day for yourself? And
Speaker 3: that might be really different for different people, Like it
Speaker 3: might be you know, a movie marathon, or it might
Speaker 3: be you know, doing a day as they say in Australia,
Speaker 3: to stay in bed and surround yourself with nice things
Speaker 3: and be comfortable and eat in bed and just you know,
Speaker 3: do what you want. Or it might be like surrounding
Speaker 3: yourself with things that are fun or funny, you know,
Speaker 3: just lift your spirits. Yeah, or like watchers or follow
Speaker 3: anti you know holiday or anti Christmas stuff like if
Speaker 3: that's something that will get you out of your punk,
Speaker 3: like whatever works for you. But I agree, like if
Speaker 3: you know that this is a difficult time of year,
Speaker 3: you know that it's not that meaningful for you, you
Speaker 3: know that you might be sad or stressed around that time,
Speaker 3: then you know, do some planning and prepare yourself.
Speaker 4: You know what I used to do. You don't know this, Tiff.
Speaker 4: I don't think I've ever shared this on this show,
Speaker 4: but every Christmas. I used to do it at Easter.
Speaker 1: I think I've spoken about Easter, but every Christmas for
Speaker 1: about I don't know, ten or twelve years. This is
Speaker 1: when I owned Jim's Lily Inn. I had lots of
Speaker 1: stuff and lots of clients, and I would meet who
Speaker 1: ever wanted to meet me at seven am at the beach,
Speaker 1: and they all had to bring twenty bucks and it
Speaker 1: went to a charity. So everyone paid twenty bucks. It
Speaker 1: went to a charity that somebody decided. I didn't even
Speaker 1: get the money. The money didn't go through my hands.
Speaker 1: It went straight to the organization. But we would get
Speaker 1: sometimes one hundred people, so we'd raised two grand in
Speaker 1: an hour, and it was great and people obviously people
Speaker 1: came dressed up and people had on hats and bloody
Speaker 1: rein deer antlers, and you know, like it was such
Speaker 1: a good thing. And so there was this before the
Speaker 1: day even really started, Like we finished at eight o'clock.
Speaker 1: So there's all these you know, this laughter and all
Speaker 1: this connection and everybody getting a few endorphins and a
Speaker 1: bit of dopamine because they're running around in the sand
Speaker 1: and running some stairs and doing some body weight stuff
Speaker 1: and saying hello to a whole bunch of people. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I just remember what an amazing day, or what an amazing.
Speaker 4: Start to the day that was.
Speaker 1: And a lot of people back then, you know, they
Speaker 1: would come to me and say, this is actually the
Speaker 1: best part of my Christmas Day because of the rest
Speaker 1: of the day is not great for me. And they
Speaker 1: really appreciated that. You know, that early morning energy and
Speaker 1: fun and everybody who needed it got a bit of
Speaker 1: a hargt and bit of a high five.
Speaker 4: And do that anymore.
Speaker 3: Idea. That's a great idea.
Speaker 4: I loved it. I would do that now, but you're
Speaker 4: not allowed to. You can't.
Speaker 1: I can't just meet you know. The funny thing is,
Speaker 1: I can't meet a bunch of people at the beach
Speaker 1: in this area where I live and just train them.
Speaker 1: And I get it, you know, it's all that. But
Speaker 1: it was in the old days when you could just
Speaker 1: do that and no one. No one was running around
Speaker 1: going what about the council regulations and what about lawsuits?
Speaker 1: And what about our health and safety and what about
Speaker 1: We're all just fucking running and laughing nobody. Everybody was
Speaker 1: just having a good time. But now we've got to
Speaker 1: fucking bring nine lawyers to the beach with us.
Speaker 4: You know, it's fucking ridiculous.
Speaker 3: That is a shame. But I think you bring up
Speaker 3: a good point that you know, if we're resourceful, which
Speaker 3: I think is a great skill to have, there are
Speaker 3: lots of ways that you can meet with like minded
Speaker 3: people on the day, like yeah, you know, or even
Speaker 3: online if you don't want to meet people in person,
Speaker 3: there would be I haven't looked into it myself, but
Speaker 3: maybe this is something I should do as well as
Speaker 3: you know, what are the Facebook groups around? What are
Speaker 3: the meetups? You know? Like, what can people actually do
Speaker 3: on the day that is not Christmas focused? Yes, and
Speaker 3: that will you know lift their spirits are just you know,
Speaker 3: like make it a good day, not you know, it's
Speaker 3: just another Wednesday, but it could be a really great Wednesday.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wonder if I I wonder, I'm just wondering, Tiff,
Speaker 4: maybe I could do a six thirty. Can't They can't
Speaker 4: get mad at you for going for a Christmas morning
Speaker 4: walk with one hundred people.
Speaker 2: You just happen to drop down and do I mean,
Speaker 2: you can't stop.
Speaker 1: If people decide to fucking jog through the sand a
Speaker 1: little bit because there are little bit crazy if people
Speaker 1: want to do some some burpies and some wall squats
Speaker 1: and if people fuck I can't I wouldn't suggest it.
Speaker 1: But if people just spontaneously break into exercise, I mean,
Speaker 1: who am I to get in the way. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not a cult or anything. People are free to
Speaker 1: do what they want.
Speaker 4: Wow, so stand.
Speaker 1: By, everybody, stand by. That might happen. That might be announced.
Speaker 1: It may or may not, but it might be announced
Speaker 1: on the you project Facebook page. If you're not a member,
Speaker 1: become a member. But now I wonder it would probably
Speaker 1: just be you and me, cook, you and me and
Speaker 1: the dog, You, me and Luna.
Speaker 2: Were you're coming second? Then if Luna's going to be
Speaker 2: in the race, I'm coming.
Speaker 1: I mean, if there's three of us, you, me, and Luna,
Speaker 1: I'm fucking so far up the back it's embarrassing.
Speaker 3: I love how you're like. Lillian's not going to show up.
Speaker 3: It's too early for her.
Speaker 4: If I do it, will you show up? Probably not exactly,
Speaker 4: exactly exactly arrest arrest my case, too early, it's too early.
Speaker 3: I want to be invited.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm not.
Speaker 1: Going to invite you if you're not going to turn up.
Speaker 1: So if you're going to turn up, you're invited. If
Speaker 1: you just want to be invited because your self esteem
Speaker 1: needs a boost, you're not invited.
Speaker 3: Hey, this whole idea came about because of our conversation.
Speaker 4: So that's true. That's true. I'm going to give that
Speaker 4: some thought.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's one o three on Friday on the twentieth,
Speaker 1: so it may not happen, but I'm definitely.
Speaker 4: Going to give that. I'm definitely going to give that
Speaker 4: some thought.
Speaker 1: So so keep talking to us about this time of
Speaker 1: the year in general. It's not just Christmas, it's New Years,
Speaker 1: it's when people is it a good.
Speaker 4: Time of the year.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not one on news resolutions. Everyone knows,
Speaker 1: but I guess it depends. I guess it depends how
Speaker 1: it's Starnach can work. But you're going, is this a
Speaker 1: good time to reflect and plan or is that kind
Speaker 1: of bullshit?
Speaker 3: Well it can be bullshit. It depends on what you
Speaker 3: do with it. But I feel like when we talk
Speaker 3: about this time of year, the main thing that comes
Speaker 3: up for me and for a lot of people that
Speaker 3: I'm around, is it's really stressful. The end of the
Speaker 3: year is stressful, and I think I think there's a
Speaker 3: lot of reasons for that. I always find like just
Speaker 3: before I go on a holiday of any kind, any
Speaker 3: time of year, it's the just before the holiday that's
Speaker 3: the most stressful time because you're trying to tie up
Speaker 3: things so that you are able to take that time
Speaker 3: off and have like, you know, actual rest and relaxation.
Speaker 3: I don't have to worry about work, which is hard
Speaker 3: when you own your own businesses as well. And so
Speaker 3: this is like a big version of that. Right, It's
Speaker 3: like everyone's taking almost everyone is taking at least a couple,
Speaker 3: you know, one or two weeks off at this time
Speaker 3: of year. So everyone's kind of trying to tie up
Speaker 3: all their loose ends at the end of the year
Speaker 3: or try to get as much done as humanly possible
Speaker 3: so they can actually have a break and be ready
Speaker 3: for whatever's coming on the other side of that break.
Speaker 3: And then the other complicating factor of just being in
Speaker 3: this country, let's say versus where I grew up in
Speaker 3: the US, is it's also the end of the school year.
Speaker 3: So if you're a parent, you have that extra layer
Speaker 3: of busyness. There's all like when the kids were in
Speaker 3: primary school, it was like, well, there's a Christmas show
Speaker 3: that everyone has to go to, right, and there's there's
Speaker 3: different parents will have holiday get togethers, and you know,
Speaker 3: their friends will want to get together and all this
Speaker 3: sort of stuff that happened. Also, your kids are little,
Speaker 3: so they you know, if you celebrate Christmas. They're very
Speaker 3: excited about it, and so you try to make it
Speaker 3: really special and get the things that they want and
Speaker 3: you know all of you know, all of that sort
Speaker 3: of stuff that goes into it. And when your kids
Speaker 3: are older, like my kids mine are fifteen and just
Speaker 3: at eighteen and just graduated from high school, maybe then
Speaker 3: you thank you then you have all of that, Like
Speaker 3: all the end of you know, the whole year's stressful
Speaker 3: because they're studying for their you know, exams, and then
Speaker 3: they're waiting for their scores and there's a lot of
Speaker 3: stress associated with that. And then you've got you know,
Speaker 3: their graduation ceremonies, and then they're going to school is
Speaker 3: and you have to worry about that, and then you know,
Speaker 3: they have their dinners and so there's just so much
Speaker 3: happening at this time of year. I think it can
Speaker 3: be a really stressful time for people, and then you
Speaker 3: kind of lose that spirit. Even if you had the
Speaker 3: spirit for the holidays, yeah, you can't get there because
Speaker 3: it takes so long to unwind from that stress that
Speaker 3: you're not quite there yet on Christmas Day if you
Speaker 3: want to be.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I haven't really thought of this,
Speaker 1: but it just dawned on me because I'm an idiot
Speaker 1: and I'm a bit slow, but it dawned on me that, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: you guys don't have summer holidays when we do, obviously,
Speaker 1: but so how like Christmas New Year over here, like
Speaker 1: a lot of like school is basically off for two months,
Speaker 1: give will take. How long do they have off school
Speaker 1: in the States at this time of year.
Speaker 3: Probably a couple of weeks, right, yeah.
Speaker 4: And then they have like two months is ish through
Speaker 4: summer our winter.
Speaker 3: Well, when I was younger, it was like three three
Speaker 3: and a half months, And in fact, it worked better
Speaker 3: that way because there was no holiday to break up
Speaker 3: that time, so it was like this long, slow, beautiful
Speaker 3: summer holiday. Whereas what happens here is school that's out.
Speaker 3: Everyone's in a rush to get everything sorted just before Christmas,
Speaker 3: and then the holidays make everything go much more quickly,
Speaker 3: so before you know it, you're back in school again,
Speaker 3: you're back to work again. Whereas when you're a student
Speaker 3: in the States, you have those two weeks of you know,
Speaker 3: Christmas time, that's just Christmas time, yes, and then when
Speaker 3: you're done with school, which is usually in May or June.
Speaker 3: You don't go back until late August September. Wow, and
Speaker 3: that time there's no holidays in that time, so it's
Speaker 3: just for summer. And a lot of people also use that,
Speaker 3: like if you're older, they use it to work, they
Speaker 3: use it to do internships, they use it to travel
Speaker 3: for extended periods of time. So you have a long
Speaker 3: time to be able to do multiple things.
Speaker 4: And is that why parents sit now it makes sense
Speaker 4: sending kids off to summer camp because that doesn't really
Speaker 4: that's not a thing here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a huge in the state. So a lot
Speaker 3: of people will send them to overnight camps, which are
Speaker 3: like usually six weeks long, so it's half of the
Speaker 3: summer holiday.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 3: Whereas I never went to an over and I I
Speaker 3: went to like a local one, so.
Speaker 4: It was a program.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, And I'd spend probably four weeks out of
Speaker 3: the summer at a day camp.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 3: And then I became like one of the camp counselors.
Speaker 3: And I was like thirteen, of course you did, which
Speaker 3: is fun. That's my first job, a summer camp counselor.
Speaker 4: Really, did you get paid.
Speaker 3: The first year? No, because I was too young. But
Speaker 3: then I think I got paid when I because I
Speaker 3: did it for like four years thirteen forty fifty sixteen.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: If that was a thing in Australia, Mary Ron would
Speaker 1: have definitely sent me away for the entirety of the summer.
Speaker 1: I would have been just waving me off from the
Speaker 1: front door.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: People who go to those camps they have the like,
Speaker 3: really great experiences and their parents go off and traveled
Speaker 3: in Europe, so they're having like this break as well.
Speaker 3: It gets kind of a cool setup.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I don't think it's the worse.
Speaker 1: Like some of my friends went to boarding schools, which
Speaker 1: kind of seems like that would suck, and some of
Speaker 1: them hated it, not many, a few, but most of
Speaker 1: them after the initial adjustment, but they loved boarding school
Speaker 1: like they you know, they loved it.
Speaker 4: Like, I don't know that. Did you ever think about
Speaker 4: that tip? Was that an option for you?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: But yeahs running around?
Speaker 4: Really you were just free, Ryan Shore a lot of chicken. Yeah. No, well,
Speaker 4: I mean it's not a big is a boarding schools
Speaker 4: things in the States, So they I mean, I know
Speaker 4: they are, but to any great extent or.
Speaker 3: Not not really. I mean they're definitely around and people
Speaker 3: go to boarding schools, but it's not like a massive
Speaker 3: thing I would I would have I would struggle with
Speaker 3: not being near my kids all the time, so I
Speaker 3: probably wouldn't even consider doing that. And I would have
Speaker 3: probably struggled with the six six weeks at camp as well.
Speaker 3: I know, like one of my one of my friends,
Speaker 3: her husband went to camp for his childhoods. He wanted
Speaker 3: to send their kids, and she was really like, how
Speaker 3: about that, But they got used to it really quickly
Speaker 3: when they were going to Europe for that time and
Speaker 3: they got the kids got to go. You know, we're
Speaker 3: in there, you know, and they enjoyed it. The kids
Speaker 3: enjoyed it, so she got used to it, and yeah,
Speaker 3: that's kind of like their life in simmer, which is
Speaker 3: really nice.
Speaker 1: So you find it easy to step out of work
Speaker 1: mindset into holiday mindset and then back.
Speaker 3: It depends. I feel like when I was working for
Speaker 3: an organization, I had no trouble with that, Like, you know,
Speaker 3: I walk out, I've done my job and I've got
Speaker 3: nothing else to think about. But when you own your
Speaker 3: own business or businesses, it's harder to do that. So
Speaker 3: I find it easier with my clinical practice side of
Speaker 3: my business because it is more like going into It's
Speaker 3: kind of more like appointments, right, and you just don't
Speaker 3: have appointments. And if I'm like, I'm always around and
Speaker 3: I can't help but tell my clients like, if you
Speaker 3: need me, like I'm around, you can text me. And
Speaker 3: they're always like, oh, I would never want to disrupt
Speaker 3: your holiday, and I'm like, if you need me, I'm
Speaker 3: saying I will be around, like you know. But it's
Speaker 3: the other one that are the more of the digital
Speaker 3: businesses where you feel like you always have to put
Speaker 3: in something you can't just take a break from that.
Speaker 3: But yeah, look, I'm very much somebody who takes breaks frequently.
Speaker 3: Like I don't struggle with duck down time or relaxing
Speaker 3: or I don't feel guilty about it. Yeah, I just
Speaker 3: feel like I have a responsibility to my business and
Speaker 3: to some degree, and so just from that side of things,
Speaker 3: I might not completely switch off, but I'll switch off
Speaker 3: a lot, like enough for me to enjoy my brain. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really like my life and I like where
Speaker 1: I live. But I have this minor fantasy which can't
Speaker 1: happen in the next six months while I finish my study.
Speaker 1: But maybe one day in the next five years. I
Speaker 1: feel like I would like to go away for six
Speaker 1: months and do everything that I currently do, but do
Speaker 1: it in another country.
Speaker 4: Obviously, the face to face gigs would.
Speaker 1: Have to go on hold, which would be not a
Speaker 1: great part of it, but probably worth it. But all
Speaker 1: the you know, all the other stuff, all the coaching
Speaker 1: or a lot of the coaching online gigs, workshops, seminars, podcasts.
Speaker 4: You know, I can.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's almost like we live in a time
Speaker 1: now where you can depending on what your job is,
Speaker 1: there are a lot of jobs where you can kind
Speaker 1: of do it anywhere in the.
Speaker 3: World, absolutely, and so I would love to.
Speaker 1: I'd love to go live somewhere else and just you know,
Speaker 1: be in it just a completely different energy and geography
Speaker 1: and climate and culture and just not that I'm well known,
Speaker 1: but just where I'm never going to bump into anyone
Speaker 1: that knows me, and yeah, I'd be surprised helse well maybe, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a.
Speaker 3: Great I think that's an amazing idea. That's one of
Speaker 3: my you know, ideal where I'd like to be in
Speaker 3: the future. You know, when my kids are done with
Speaker 3: high school and they're in union and they have their
Speaker 3: own adult lives. That's definitely on our radar. My husband
Speaker 3: and I like just go because we can both do
Speaker 3: our jobs. Like you said, you can, we can do
Speaker 3: that from anywhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, where would you go to if if you had
Speaker 1: to go? Well, it doesn't have to be one place,
Speaker 1: but if you were going to travel for six months
Speaker 1: and do your podcast and do this stuff with me?
Speaker 4: And what.
Speaker 1: While you're thinking of that, I'll tell your mine. So
Speaker 1: mine mine would probably be nobody would guess this, well,
Speaker 1: people who know me might, but it would probably be Ireland.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, my grandmother was Irish. Her name was Molly
Speaker 1: Malone and my grandma died giving birth to my mum,
Speaker 1: so I never met her. But like, I've only been
Speaker 1: to Ireland once to do some work. I literally went
Speaker 1: to Ireland to do a three hour workshop.
Speaker 4: How funny is that?
Speaker 1: But and I had no expectation, like there was no
Speaker 1: story in my head about oh this is you know,
Speaker 1: this is going to be amazing. I'm going to feel
Speaker 1: something and there's going to be this. I didn't There's
Speaker 1: nothing I was just going to do. I was excited
Speaker 1: to go to a place I've never been, but there
Speaker 1: was something for me inexplicably familiar about the place and
Speaker 1: the people and the accent, and like I felt like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I almost felt like I belonged there more than I
Speaker 1: belong here, which I don't. But it's it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know why. And I've been I love the States.
Speaker 1: I've been to the States like a dozen times. I
Speaker 1: love it. And while I think it's amazing, I know
Speaker 1: I'm not from there and I don't feel like I
Speaker 1: belong there, but I love it. It's amazing, right, And
Speaker 1: I've been to England, and I've been to a bunch
Speaker 1: of places. But when I went to Ireland, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: there is some familiarity about this, and I think it's
Speaker 1: in my genes. I think it's in my DNA. It's
Speaker 1: like my DNA knows this place. My DNA is like
Speaker 1: comfortable here. I was so comfortable there. I so loved everyone.
Speaker 1: The people were like ridiculous. I mean, they were the
Speaker 1: nicest people as just a collection of humans that I've
Speaker 1: met ever on any trip.
Speaker 4: Wow, like crazy, Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I've actually heard that about Ireland.
Speaker 1: Crazy nicest people in the world. Yeah, And just like
Speaker 1: I had strangers constantly offering me to stay with them, like,
Speaker 1: you know, come and stay with Oh you don't stand
Speaker 1: a ha, don't be staying in a hotwn Come and
Speaker 1: stay with us. Oh no, you won't be standing there,
Speaker 1: You'll be standing with us.
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm good.
Speaker 1: I've got to know. Thank you, thank you. But yes,
Speaker 1: so and like they was so, it was so funny.
Speaker 4: I did a gig in this little place and they
Speaker 4: were so so grateful that I came. Yeah, because nobody
Speaker 4: comes here. Thank you. You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's something about your roots and you know, your history,
Speaker 3: intergenerational history. Yeah, and we don't often know a lot
Speaker 3: about it, but like if we did, we probably connect
Speaker 3: so much more to you know, like what you're saying,
Speaker 3: you have this like inexplicable connection to this country that
Speaker 3: you've never lived in and you only spend a few hours.
Speaker 4: And I'm sure, but there's.
Speaker 3: A reason why that is. Do you know a lot
Speaker 3: about your family history?
Speaker 1: No, I actually do, not, Like my I shouldn't say this,
Speaker 1: but my family is a bit weird. Everyone says that,
Speaker 1: but like, my dad's one of six boys, so six kids.
Speaker 1: A mum is one of six kids, so twelve right
Speaker 1: between their immediate families. And I really There's a couple
Speaker 1: of uncles and aunies that I know a bit, but
Speaker 1: for the most part, I don't, you know, I don't
Speaker 1: know how many cousins I have, probably eighty. I think
Speaker 1: I know I know two or three of them. I
Speaker 1: was going to say two or three of them. Well,
Speaker 1: but even then, I haven't seen them ten years.
Speaker 4: Like, I really don't know anyone well.
Speaker 1: And it's funny, my family like never spent much like
Speaker 1: you know, how families get together big Christmases or the
Speaker 1: brothers and sisters and the kids and the aunties that
Speaker 1: never happened. I've never had one of those ever, So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's for whatever reason. And that's not a slight on
Speaker 1: mom and dad. But yeah, they both come from really
Speaker 1: big families. And I'm an only child. Yet I don't
Speaker 1: know anyone really. I've got one auntie and uncle that
Speaker 1: I know quite well. Shout out to trep and die,
Speaker 1: but other than that, nobody.
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you know the stories even if you don't
Speaker 3: know the people, Like, do you know any like good
Speaker 3: stories about like challenges or like things that happened and
Speaker 3: a little mothers or your father's side.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, a little bit, a little bit.
Speaker 1: And when you kind of you know, it's like I
Speaker 1: had this well, I didn't have a revelation I was
Speaker 1: actually somebody who was smarter than me kind of and
Speaker 1: wiser than me years ago when I was having this
Speaker 1: conversation about like my mum and dad and I don't
Speaker 1: know how we got here, but my mum and dad
Speaker 1: and I was always like I lived with these two
Speaker 1: adults that were really good people, and we all got
Speaker 1: on really well. It was like just two grown ups
Speaker 1: that I knew, and we all lived in the same house.
Speaker 1: It was like I lived with an auntie and uncle
Speaker 1: that were pretty fond of me.
Speaker 4: Right. It was not like parenting one oh one.
Speaker 1: Like I rarely got parented, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Where like my old man never said to me, all right, look,
Speaker 1: I want to have a chat with you.
Speaker 4: That never happened.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that we didn't do things together. We did,
Speaker 1: But it was like mum and dad were not brilliant
Speaker 1: communicators in this context, you know, so that those kinds
Speaker 1: of hey, where the mum and dad, you're the kid,
Speaker 1: have a chatch to you about how the world works
Speaker 1: or how life works, or relationships or hey, let's talk
Speaker 1: about school and beyond school, like we never I never
Speaker 1: had those conversations.
Speaker 3: I don't think many very many people did, though, Craig.
Speaker 3: I feel like, you know, our parents and their parents
Speaker 3: generation didn't have those type of conversations ltipuly kind of
Speaker 3: coming around now where our kids are talking to us more,
Speaker 3: we're talking to them more, we're giving them a little
Speaker 3: bit more of an idea of what their histories are.
Speaker 3: I just the reason I was asking is because because
Speaker 3: my mother's here, I actually arranged. There's this person that
Speaker 3: I know who had like this conversation with his mother
Speaker 3: and she had just been diagnosed with terminal cancer and
Speaker 3: he wanted to have like something that where she could
Speaker 3: talk about you know, like their family and history and
Speaker 3: it would be something that you know, he could potentially
Speaker 3: have forever obviously, but also maybe show to his future
Speaker 3: children and all of that. And from that, he's just
Speaker 3: decided to start a business called forever Cast, where he
Speaker 3: provides the technology for other people to do that, and
Speaker 3: so he just brings it to people's homes and they
Speaker 3: can have that conversation with which, you know, with their
Speaker 3: mother or their father or their grandfather, whoever it is,
Speaker 3: and then it's a video and an audio keepsake, and
Speaker 3: you get to know your history more as well. So
Speaker 3: I actually went when I was in I just went
Speaker 3: to city with my mother for a few days for
Speaker 3: like just some fun with her. And while we were there,
Speaker 3: we went and we did one of these recordings, and
Speaker 3: I got to do this interview with my mother and
Speaker 3: ask her all these questions and get delve deeper into
Speaker 3: some of the stories that I might have heard a
Speaker 3: little bit but forgot or don't know the details, or
Speaker 3: like didn't really ask or wasn't maybe interested before. You know,
Speaker 3: like sometimes you're not interested until you're older. So it
Speaker 3: was really cool just to have that experience. And then
Speaker 3: you know, I have this psychology for F. Vessor from Emory,
Speaker 3: where I used where I went to school, and he
Speaker 3: actually did research on how important it is to know
Speaker 3: your family history and how it actually helps children build
Speaker 3: their self esteem and resilience and overcome stress and challenges
Speaker 3: throughout their lives. The more you know about your family history,
Speaker 3: the more protective it is for the rest of your life.
Speaker 3: So it's super interesting when we're talking about youth anxiety
Speaker 3: at the beginning, it's like, well, one of the things
Speaker 3: that we can all do to help youth is to
Speaker 3: tell them about their history, because what happens is they
Speaker 3: develop what's called like an intergenerational self. So it's not
Speaker 3: just about them on their own, or even them and
Speaker 3: just their immediate family. They actually belong to generations of
Speaker 3: people who have had to overcome challenges, who have lived
Speaker 3: interesting lives, and you kind of belong to all of
Speaker 3: that now rather than just that's.
Speaker 1: So interesting, that's so interesting. Well, our time is up.
Speaker 1: I hope you have a great Christmas. I hope you
Speaker 1: have a good New Year. You do celebrate Christmas?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 3: We do?
Speaker 1: Yes, you do, Tiff and I'll be at the beach
Speaker 1: with one hundred losers at six There no not loses
Speaker 1: at all, winners.
Speaker 4: It's the winners.
Speaker 3: Group, that's right.
Speaker 4: I don't know about that. Doctor Lillian won't be there
Speaker 4: because she's pretty lazy. Yes, I think that's the word.
Speaker 4: How do people connect with you, Doc, Not in the
Speaker 4: next couple of weeks, but after the next few weeks.
Speaker 4: How do they connect with you?
Speaker 3: Doctor lilliannajad dot com is a good spot. There's a
Speaker 3: contact for him there if you want to actually connect
Speaker 3: with me, or if you just want to have a
Speaker 3: browse through. Feel free to do that. I wish you
Speaker 3: both like a good holiday season, whatever that is for you,
Speaker 3: and I hope that you do do that thing on
Speaker 3: Wednesday and it's super fun and even though I probably
Speaker 3: won't come, I still expect an invitation.
Speaker 4: You are formally invited. You're formally invited.
Speaker 1: You better just check in on Tuesday as to whether
Speaker 1: or not is actually happening. But now, Doc, thank you,
Speaker 1: We appreciate you. Thanks for all your contribution for another
Speaker 1: year on the You Project. You are a winner. Even
Speaker 1: if you don't sho up on Wednesday.
Speaker 3: Oh thanks, I appreciate that