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Speaker 1: I'm Andrew Rule is just Life and Crimes. Today we

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Speaker 1: are going to have a bonus episode and that is

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Speaker 1: that we're going to talk right now with Olivia Jenkins,

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Speaker 1: my esteem colleague, who has been working for weeks and

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Speaker 1: Now at this point it's called Hunting Justice the Easy

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Speaker 1: Street Murders, And as I just said, Olivia has been

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Speaker 1: working on it for some time and I've dragged her

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Speaker 1: up to and how good it is really. Olivia, Welcome

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Speaker 1: to Life and Crimes. What is going on with Easy Street?

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Speaker 1: What can you say?

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Speaker 2: Well, as you would not, this case has spanned decades

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Speaker 2: of both of our reporting careers, and it's only in

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Speaker 2: the last all of yours, all of mine, and only

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Speaker 2: sort of breakthrough. And it was the biggest one yet

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Speaker 2: a Jewel, Greek and Australian citizen all the way in Rome.

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Speaker 2: So Victoria Police homicide detectives flew halfway around the world

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Speaker 2: one that we never thought we'd see. You know, some

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Speaker 2: of the families of Sue Armstrong and Sue Barlett, who

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Speaker 2: were murdered in their house on Easy Street in Collingwood

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Speaker 2: nearly fifty years ago, some of them haven't lived long

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Speaker 2: something that they ever thought they would see in their lifetime.

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Speaker 2: And so to have this happen and for them to

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Speaker 2: last decade or so. And he's back cold now, the

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Speaker 2: accused Perry Crumbles. He's sixty six now and he's been

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Speaker 2: ordered to stand trial for both of the women's murders.

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Speaker 2: This really is a big deep dive into his life,

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Speaker 1: Sort of picture have you been able to build of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're friends. At school called them a package deal.

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Speaker 2: They were the two Sues, and if you needed one

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Speaker 3: Their interests varied quite a lot at school.

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Speaker 2: Everybody who lives in Banalla to this day, which is

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Speaker 2: Everybody knows what you're talking about, and everybody can tell

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Speaker 1: And to be fair and frank, it was a thousand

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Speaker 2: One of the things that we discovered in our countless

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Speaker 2: And not only that, you have mentioned on our series

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Speaker 1: I did. Yeah, I said that a few times. So

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Speaker 1: go to the first episode of this most excellent Easy

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Speaker 2: There's six in total, and this first episode is really

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Speaker 2: who Sue Armstrong and Sue Bartlett were before there was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we thought that was important that you know

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Speaker 2: A warning for listeners that this series contains graphic details,

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Speaker 2: including references to murder and rape. It's a manhunt after

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Speaker 2: of Australia's most horrific unsolved murders. The task Force is

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Speaker 2: the making. In nineteen seventy seven, in the heart of Melbourne,

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Speaker 2: Their neighbors would find them three days later, sparking an

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Speaker 2: investigation that plagued homicide detectives for decades. A shearer, a

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Speaker 2: authorities capture a jewel Greek Australian citizen. These days, Perry

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Speaker 2: His arrest came as a shock to many of us

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Speaker 2: Perry's Italian public defender, Serena Tucci, said he was scared

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Speaker 4: During the interrogation, Perry Corumbus availed himself of the right

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Speaker 2: Chamol Perry was just seventeen at the time of the

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Speaker 2: gruesome deaths. So now the question a court has to

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Speaker 2: answer is did a teenager kill these outgoing, adventurous and

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Speaker 1: Forty seven years after the Easy stre E double murders,

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Speaker 1: charges have finally been laid today.

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Speaker 5: Right now, the main suspect in one of us Tradia's

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Speaker 2: Perry Crumble's fronted court today charged with two counts of

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Speaker 2: Jenkins and I'm a crime reporter at the Herald's Sun

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Speaker 2: and this is hunting justice. The Easy Street Murders will

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Speaker 2: take you behind the murder investigation, the grueling DNA search

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Speaker 2: to find Suzanne and Susan's killer, and into the rough

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Speaker 2: and grunge Collingwood of the late seventies. This is every

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Speaker 2: the lives of the two sues you've never heard before

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Speaker 2: you'll also learn all about the man who was now

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Speaker 2: accused of their murders. The two sues were so much

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Speaker 2: more than the trail of brutality and heartbreak that defined

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Speaker 2: Their stories start much earlier, and much further away from

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Speaker 2: Jan Bartlett was born in nineteen forty eight to parents

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Speaker 2: in Euroa, a Victorian country town about one hundred and

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Speaker 2: sixty five kilometers northeast of Melbourne, to parents Bill and Eileen.

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Speaker 2: Bill had been enlisted in the Royal Australian Air Force

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Speaker 2: The Armstrongs had long had firm roots planted in Victoria's

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Speaker 2: late eighteen eighties. Susanne Armstrong and her family had lived

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Speaker 3: Nice, thank you.

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Speaker 2: That's Warren Tucker and Nevill Webster. They met as young

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Speaker 7: And we haven't had a punch out as far as

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Speaker 2: Like the girls, Warren and Neville were brought up in

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Speaker 6: Both of the suits.

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Speaker 8: We used to call them the two suites if you

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Speaker 6: They are big Sue of small suit.

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Speaker 8: They're both pretty outgoing and girls struck up a friendship

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Speaker 2: Australian history. Smiling along with her classmates for school picture

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Speaker 8: I just yelled out as anyone got a talk, then

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Speaker 2: As Neville turns over each page, you can see Sue

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Speaker 2: Armstrong's and Sue Bartlett's names printed in each edition, alongside

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Speaker 3: Like Lindy's was too.

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Speaker 2: by the scandal, murder, and notoriety that would later.

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Speaker 3: Mark them all.

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Speaker 2: But it's the classroom laughs and high school highlights that

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Speaker 8: So the sort of kids that they talked to, meaning people,

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Speaker 6: And everyone knew the two Sues.

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Speaker 8: But they were a good company and they were just

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Speaker 6: Yeah both of them are pretty smart.

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Speaker 7: With oh yeah, sure, both of them.

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Speaker 2: Some people might think there's not a whole lot to

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Speaker 8: When the Beetles came out here cared on the Beetles

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Speaker 8: It was one of the big busts. I think school buses.

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Speaker 8: It would have had a fair few kids that went

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Speaker 6: Everyone had a great time. It was one of those

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Speaker 2: She has a big event or a lot to organize

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Speaker 3: Of their friends.

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Speaker 6: It was pretty amazing for young person.

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Speaker 2: And when the kids at Vanella Hyde weren't rocking out

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Speaker 8: She was a real organizer. We're just talking before you

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Speaker 8: came about, you know. She organized a party in year four,

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Speaker 8: end of year. Mitchell Street runs along the river and

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Speaker 6: The parties around there was an ideal spot. And I

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Speaker 8: You weren't supposed to any grog, but of the one

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Speaker 8: I don't think we drank much, but it.

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Speaker 6: Was good fun and we thought we were pretty grid.

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Speaker 6: It wasn't until years.

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Speaker 8: Later that I found out the head old friend that

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Speaker 2: Another highlight for the class of nineteen sixty five was

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Speaker 2: Violet either. She fit right into their class when she

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Speaker 6: She was fun.

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Speaker 8: She was you might not be doing too much work,

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Speaker 6: Unlike the photographs.

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Speaker 2: On in the media, the Sues had carved out a

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Speaker 2: Bartlett had a classic look about her, Sue Armstrong was

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Speaker 2: described as more flower power. Their academic interests varied quite

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Speaker 2: a lot as well.

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Speaker 8: Sue Bartlet's interest swain the arts and that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 8: She did arts in year eleven and in year twelve,

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Speaker 3: Sue Bartlett was also a keen debater.

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Speaker 2: She even made sure her team got their time to

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Speaker 2: of the teachers to drive them to Shepperd and so

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Speaker 2: debating competition. Neville says Sue helped him get over his

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Speaker 8: Armstrong wanted to do mass sciences and there were only

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Speaker 8: Sha Armstrong was in that little groups who we've got

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Speaker 5: They just bas thar as girls.

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Speaker 2: Bernie Shivers was friends with the girls too, and just

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Speaker 2: like Neville, he regularly calls into Warren's place when he's

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Speaker 2: his place up in Wayne Garata, another country town which

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Speaker 2: of my chats with former Vanilla High students are clearly

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Speaker 3: Noise that right, I ain't go ahead. Like Warren and Neville,

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Speaker 3: Bernie's in his mid seventies now.

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Speaker 2: He spent decades helping farmers buy and sell property in

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Speaker 5: Includes a bar in nineteen sixty one at the start

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Speaker 1: Then, and she did too, in the.

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Speaker 5: Same path, all their whole work, in the whole school life.

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Speaker 3: And what was she like as a friend and as

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Speaker 5: Oh? She just a just at the ordinary average yeah,

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Speaker 5: like everyone else that had just quite a nice nurse

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Speaker 2: Two, and when Susanne Armstrong joined their grade the following year.

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Speaker 7: Tell her the boys, oh gee, she's a good looking

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Speaker 6: All the comments were you when there's.

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Speaker 5: An arms And she was a very very attractive young girl,

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Speaker 5: I just like everyone else everywhere. Wasn't stuck up or

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But when the last years of high school approached, the

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Speaker 2: to Wanga out of high school to continue with science studies.

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Speaker 2: Not that there were many school buses running that.

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Speaker 8: Way, hitchhalk at school on a Monday morning and hitchhwker

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Speaker 3: Probably not the safest thing these days.

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Speaker 6: Oh well, you wouldn't have done it in those days.

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Speaker 6: She was pretty common had he comeing to for Susanne Armstrong.

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Speaker 6: I mean.

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Speaker 8: Well, it was probably a bit awkward for her to

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Speaker 6: So she decided to drop out of school at that stage.

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Speaker 2: As life often does, it took the two suits and

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Speaker 2: of high school neared. Warren and Bernie left school to

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Speaker 2: Like Sue, Bartlett never studied to become a teacher, and

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Speaker 2: he spent many years working in Victoria's education department. But

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Speaker 2: life also has a funny way of bringing people back together.

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Speaker 2: Warren and Suzanne's paths crossed again, this time all the

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Speaker 7: She worked down the end of Cislwaite Street, and it

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Speaker 7: Mark get into the.

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Speaker 3: Dim at Melbourne.

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Speaker 2: Mark some context here. Warren's not just talking about any

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Speaker 2: They've been around since the forties and their office suggested

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Speaker 2: Suzanne was working as a lab assistant.

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Speaker 3: As Warren recalled, it sounds like you enjoyed a few agose.

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Speaker 7: I think I'm still paying for it, but yeah, I

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Speaker 7: often see you down there on a Friday.

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Speaker 2: And for Warren, who found himself in a big city

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Speaker 6: She still remembered me. What's good? You remember most peoples?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just like at school.

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Speaker 2: Suzanne wasn't short of admirers, Warren being one of them,

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Speaker 2: but there were no hard feelings when things stayed platonic

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Speaker 6: So I shook a couple of times to go yeah

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Speaker 7: But she was very nice to tell me to clear off.

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Speaker 1: In a very nice way.

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Speaker 2: Well, it sounded like you were on a decent list

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Speaker 2: of as soon as she sounded like a very bright Oh.

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Speaker 2: After high school, Susan Bartlett studied to become a teacher.

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Speaker 2: She'd wind up in Melbourne too, taking up a job

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Speaker 2: as an arts and textiles teacher at what was then

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Speaker 2: called the Collingwood Education Center in the inner city suburb

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Speaker 2: of Collingwood. The school is still there today, but now

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Speaker 2: it's called Collingwood College.

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Speaker 3: Long gone.

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Speaker 2: Other portable classrooms tacked onto the back of the campus,

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Speaker 2: which have been replaced by modern multi story buildings, open

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Speaker 2: green spaces with picnic tables, and the veggie patch run

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Speaker 2: by students. The girls were adventurous too, each setting off

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Speaker 2: on overseas trips in the early and mid seventies. Suzanne

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Speaker 2: drove a taxi in the early seventies to fund her

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Speaker 2: travels across America, the United Kingdom and Asia in nineteen

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Speaker 2: seventy two and seventy three.

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Speaker 8: Turious adventures in one status arriving taxis. And I remember

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Speaker 8: my cousin Andrew said to any he thought that was

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Speaker 8: a bit risky for an attractive younger, which she was

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Speaker 8: an attractive young girl in last eyes.

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Speaker 6: And oh no, no, no, all good people. She'd always

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Speaker 6: hear the good in people, and no one was ever bad.

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Speaker 6: She wouldn't say a bad word about anyone. So the same.

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Speaker 8: But anyway, she drove taxis for for while. I think

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Speaker 8: the sort of funded a Versi's trip.

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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Susan set off on her own adventure in Greece

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Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy four. The two sus reunited in Greece

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Speaker 2: and traveled through the islands together before Susan returned to

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Speaker 2: Melbourne and continued teaching at the Collingwood Education Center.

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Speaker 3: In nineteen seventy five.

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Speaker 2: Suzanne Armstrong stayed in Greece, where she met a fisherman

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Speaker 2: named Manalist Margaritas on the island of Naxos. When Suzanne

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Speaker 2: discovered she was pregnant with her son, Gregory, the couple

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Speaker 2: initially made plans to marry. Gregory was born in Naxos

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Speaker 2: in August nineteen seventy five, but cultural differences and paperwork

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Speaker 2: got in the way, so Susanne, now a new mum,

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Speaker 2: returned to Melbourne with baby greg in late nineteen seventy six.

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Speaker 2: By then Sue Bartlett's teaching career was well underway. When

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Speaker 2: she wasn't teaching, Sue Barlet often drove back home to

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Speaker 2: Banella on the weekends to visit her mother, Elaine and

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Speaker 2: younger brother Martin. Neville remembers through talking about her brother

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Speaker 2: often because the pair were close, and when she'd arrived

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Speaker 2: back in town, she did it in style.

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Speaker 8: She used to talk very shy about Martin and he

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Speaker 8: was the apple of her own. When that was she

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Speaker 8: was good and in those days, I remember she must

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Speaker 8: have come back up to Banilla. I was in Melbourne too,

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Speaker 8: but you come back for the weekend in too, Banilla

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Speaker 8: every now and again.

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Speaker 6: And she was driving our little two R three Triumph

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Speaker 6: sports car convertible.

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Speaker 3: Last very cool.

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Speaker 6: She was very which was typical her.

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Speaker 8: He wouldn't just buy an ordinary Corolla or something like,

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Speaker 8: don't she She woret something a bit fancy.

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Speaker 6: And I remember she took me home in the two

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Speaker 6: R three, which is pretty special. I thought that was great.

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Speaker 6: I don't think I had a car at that stage even,

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Speaker 6: but she was there right.

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Speaker 2: With both of the Sues and Greg now back in Melbourne.

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Speaker 2: They eventually decided to move in together in October, they

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Speaker 2: rented a single story workers cottage in Collingwood at one

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Speaker 2: four seven Easy Street. The house still stands today. It's

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Speaker 2: the stones throw away from the Victoria Park train station

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Speaker 2: remember that for later and Collingwood's main retail on Cafe

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Speaker 2: Precincts on Johnston and Smith Streets, and just four blocks away,

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Speaker 2: a teenage Perry Korunblus was living in a house in

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Speaker 2: Bendigo Street with his parents and two brothers. The Korumblus

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Speaker 2: household was just a two hundred and fifty meter walk

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Speaker 2: from the two Sus house on Easy Street. For more

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Speaker 2: information about where these locations are, links.

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Speaker 3: Are in the description of this episode.

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Speaker 2: Suzanne was devoted to Greg and wanted to earn enough

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Speaker 2: money to support him. She worked odd jobs, including a

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Speaker 2: casual stint as a cleaner at a doctor's surgery, and

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Speaker 2: received what was then called, in a sign of the times,

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Speaker 2: an unmarried mother's allowance from the state government. The girls

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00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 2: seemed to be enjoying their new setup. Their neighbor, Robert Sellers,

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Speaker 2: who lived two doors away, told our newspaper in nineteen

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Speaker 2: seventy seven there.

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Speaker 3: Was no noisy parties, but the music was always loud.

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Speaker 2: Robert, like quite a few people in this story, has

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Speaker 2: passed away, making voices from the time few and far between,

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Speaker 2: and when you hear their words, they'll be voiced by

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Speaker 2: actors like his were. The two sues had come a

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Speaker 2: long way since their small town country upbringing. They'd seen

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Speaker 2: the world and now though we are ready for something bigger.

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Speaker 3: But settling there after.

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Speaker 2: Their trek from the country and their overseas adventures landed

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Speaker 2: them in the middle of an underbelly that was thriving

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Speaker 2: in their own neighborhood. In just a matter of weeks,

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Speaker 2: their new beginning would come to a brutal end in

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Speaker 2: the next episode, The Black Guys, it was kind of

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Speaker 2: just got these hooded eyes like they're quite black and sparkly.

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Speaker 1: It is said by some that there was nothing you

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Speaker 1: could not buy from the Collingwood Housing Commission Flaps, including

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Speaker 1: machine guns.

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Speaker 2: This show is hosted, researched, and written by me Olivia Jenkins.

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Speaker 2: It was produced, edited, and written by John ty Burton.

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Speaker 2: Our video producer is Daniel Coates. Our graphic designers are

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Speaker 2: Kirko Dwyer and Sean Lee. Jeordie Atkinson is our executive producer.

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