1 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: From the Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm christinamiot. 2 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: It's Monday, July fourteenth, twenty twenty five. Some of Australia's 3 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: most senior legal figures have called on the National Anti 4 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: Corruption Commission to publicly name the allegedly corrupt officials it investigates. 5 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: It comes after Commissioner Paul Brereton kept private the name 6 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: of a public official who used her position to give 7 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: her future brother in law a plum government job. The 8 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: taxpayer funded arts body Creative Australia is being driven by 9 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 1: a political agenda. An exclusive analysis by The Australian shows 10 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: you can read those stories right now at the Australian 11 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 1: dot com dot au. Prime Minister Anthony Albanizi kicked off 12 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: a six day trip to China in Shanghai on Sunday, 13 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: where he launched a tourism campaign designed to bring more 14 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: Chinese tourists to Australia. Today, Why the PM's hanging out 15 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: with a former soccer rou and what Australia would do 16 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: if China and the US clashed over Taiwan. 17 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:20,199 Speaker 2: He's off again. A second straight red card for Kevin Musker. 18 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: If Kevin Musket cared about red cards. His performance on 19 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: and sometimes off the soccer field didn't show it. 20 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 3: Wild, reckless. He just flew into that tackle. He's mistimed 21 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 3: it horrendously. The Melbourne victory captain, it's a red card 22 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 3: and things go from bata use for the home side. 23 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 3: The referee in the game wants againscar. He walks a 24 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 3: fine line, Kevin Musket. This time he stepped down the route. 25 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: The brutal defender played forty six games for the Soccer 26 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: US from the mid nineteen nineties and a quick Google 27 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: search turned up a notorious reputation. 28 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 3: Can we talk about that very quickly? 29 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 4: So? 30 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 3: Was there a player that you were ever scared of? 31 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 3: There's been a coup work? 32 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 5: The player that you turn. 33 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 3: Up in Kevin Muscat, you're going to say, Kevin Musk. 34 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: Kevin Moscats did these days. Musket is himself the manager 35 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: of a team, the Shanghai Port Football Club, who he's 36 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: coached to two Chinese Super League Premiership wins, and on 37 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:29,239 Speaker 1: Sunday he was on the welcoming committee greeting Anthony Alberanizi 38 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,839 Speaker 1: on the first stop of the Prime Minister's six day 39 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: tour of China. 40 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. 41 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 4: And we have a parliamentary football team. 42 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 3: We're not very good. 43 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: The PM is famously more of an NRL guy, but 44 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 1: he's hoping to leverage Musket's profile to entice more Chinese 45 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 1: tourists to Australia. The Australian's North Asia correspondent Will Glasgow 46 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: met the soccer super coach at the club's headquarters on 47 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:56,559 Speaker 1: a trip to Shanghai. 48 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 3: It's a pleasure to meet him. 49 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 2: I suspected, I actually to him when I met him 50 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 2: a few months ago, that I wouldn't be surprised if 51 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 2: he got a tap to be asked to meet the 52 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:08,959 Speaker 2: Prime Minister on this trip, because there just aren't very 53 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 2: many good stories like that of Australians doing well in 54 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 2: China right now. 55 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 3: They're very few on the ground. 56 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 2: So he's absolutely beloved amongst the fan base and has 57 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 2: done very good things at. 58 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 3: That club and clearly it's a club with a very. 59 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 2: Good culture at the moment and that's being set at 60 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 2: the top by Kevin. 61 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: But it's not all about soccer. This week's visit to 62 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: China represents the longest bilateral visit Anthony Albanezi has made 63 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: in his time as Prime Minister. In the coming days, 64 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: he'll meet with President ji Jinping, Premier Li Chang and 65 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: National People's Congress Chairman Jao Lijeure. 66 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 2: Will. 67 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: Much of the focus of Anthony Albanese's trip to China 68 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: so far has been on tourism. But what's the overwriting 69 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: purpose of this visit. 70 00:03:55,840 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 2: China is a far and away Australia's biggest trade park. 71 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 3: It's our biggest customer. 72 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 2: China buys more from Australia than our next five biggest 73 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 2: markets combined. 74 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 3: It's just a super mega market. 75 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 2: So the top economic priority is the Prime Minister coming 76 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 2: over here and celebrating that and defending that there. 77 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 3: Are pockets of growth, but it's hard now. 78 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 2: And the real worry for the Australian government is there 79 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 2: are signs that some are the real giants in the 80 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 2: trade relationship in what we export to China, and top 81 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 2: of that is iron ore. There are some signs that 82 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,359 Speaker 2: maybe that trade has peaked with China. That has just 83 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 2: grown and grown over decades and it's now worth more 84 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 2: than one hundred billion dollars a year. It's worth one 85 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 2: fifth of Australia's exports to the whole world. So it's enormous, 86 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 2: but the last few years it's gone down and there's 87 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 2: some reasons to worry that could be the beginning of 88 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 2: a long structural trend. Not that it's going to fall 89 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 2: for Cliff, but that it might just gradually come down 90 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 2: year by year. 91 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 3: So that kind of four. 92 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 2: Can overwhelm the gains from a lot of these other 93 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 2: products that have been growing. There's other agricultural products that 94 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 2: came back after the ban years. So yeah, the trade 95 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 2: relationship in many ways is in a good state in 96 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 2: that there's no restrictions anymore. But you can now see 97 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 2: that there's certain segments in that export basket Australia has 98 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 2: to China that look like there might be some big 99 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 2: structural problems. And above all or the one that causes 100 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 2: the biggest worry, just because of how important it is 101 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 2: for the Australian economy and the Australian treasurer is iron Ore. 102 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 1: Fourteen executives from some of Australia's biggest companies are joining 103 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: the PM on the trip. 104 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 4: I've brought with me a whole range of business people 105 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 4: from the resources sector, the tourism sector, from the education sector. 106 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 4: Because one in four of Australian jobs is dependent upon 107 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 4: our export and overwhelmingly by far the largest destination for 108 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 4: Australian export is right here in China. That says something 109 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 4: about how important this relationship is. 110 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 2: Almost a third of them are in the iron ore 111 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 2: trade right. So there's the local boss of Rio Tinto, 112 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 2: the local boss of BHP, the chairman and founder Andrew 113 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 2: Forest of ford es Q, So the three biggest Australian 114 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 2: iron ore miners, they're all coming over here in big, 115 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 2: serious senior ways. And there's also the head of Australia's 116 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 2: steel business, blue Scope, coming over here. He'll also be 117 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 2: involved with those other iron ore companies in conversations with 118 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 2: Chinese counterparts about green steel and green iron, about ways 119 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 2: of making steel and making iron that release less carbon 120 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 2: will use less So that's almost a third of it, 121 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 2: which again speaks to the oversized role of iron ore 122 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 2: and steelmaking in the Australia China relationship. There's also the 123 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 2: head of the BCA, and there's the head of Macquarie 124 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 2: Group and a senior exec from A and Z. A 125 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 2: and Z, for example, is one of the Australian banks. 126 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 2: It's the one that had the biggest footprint in China. 127 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 2: But it's retrenched that they've sold almost all of their 128 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 2: operations in China years ago. So actually they're another one 129 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 2: who I'll be very interested to meet and talk to 130 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 2: to hear what are they seeing in China right now. 131 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 3: I mean they do business with China. 132 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 2: They still work and do some business with Chinese business firms, 133 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 2: but I think the ambitions they've had have been downsized 134 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 2: a lot over the last decade. Now they might be 135 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 2: looking at some ways that they can grow certain segments 136 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 2: of that. But I'd be surprised actually if the finance 137 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 2: sector is looking at a big push into China. 138 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 3: But that look see, maybe they'll surprise me on this 139 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 3: trip coming up. 140 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: While Albo is in China, Beijing has eyes on Australia. 141 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: As Anthony Albanezi touchdown in China on the weekend, a 142 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: bilateral training exercise known as Talisman Saber got underway on 143 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: Australia's East Coast. It's the largest bilateral training exercise between 144 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: the Australian Defense Force and the US military, and it's 145 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: fair to say China is extremely interested in what plays out. 146 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 1: But in Shanghai, the Prime Minister was less forthcoming about 147 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: what role, if any Australia would play if a war 148 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: broke out between China and the US over Taiwan. 149 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 4: Well, I have discussions with people which are private and 150 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 4: I keep it private. But on defense spending, Australia is 151 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 4: considerably increasing our defense spending and will continue to invest 152 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 4: in whatever we need to improve our capability. 153 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 5: It's not surprising that Anthony Albanesi, speaking in China, is 154 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 5: reticent to talk about a potential future war between the 155 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 5: US and China and what role that Australia would play 156 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 5: in it. I mean, even at the best of times, 157 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 5: the government really bats away these types of questions. 158 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: Ben Packham is the Australian's Foreign Affairs and Defense correspondent. 159 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 5: So Anthony ALBERESI he's really walking in diplomatic tightrope during 160 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 5: this trip between talking up the economic relationship with China, 161 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 5: which is vital to Australia's national interests, but also the 162 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 5: alliance we have with the US and what that could 163 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 5: mean in the future if the US and China come 164 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 5: to blows over Taiwan. 165 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: Over the weekend, The Financial Times reported the United States 166 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 1: Under Secretary for Defense Albridge Colby, the same guy who's 167 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: been putting the hard word on Australia to up defense 168 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: spending to three point five percent of GDP has been 169 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: pressing Australia and Japan on this very question. 170 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 5: Mister Colby's pretty forward leaning US defense bureaucrat. He's got 171 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 5: some long standing views on the US's need to push 172 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 5: its allies to really contribute to collective defense. He's on 173 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 5: the record of saying, why would we give Australia three 174 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 5: of our nuclear submarines when they might not be contributed 175 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 5: to a fight that we get in with China in 176 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 5: the coming years. There was a report in the Financial 177 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 5: Times that mister Colby was piling pressure on Australia and 178 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 5: Japan to clarify what role they would play if the 179 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 5: US and China went to war over Taiwan. Now, this 180 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 5: is despite the US's own policy of strategic ambiguity on 181 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 5: what it would do in terms of Taiwan contingency. But 182 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 5: Kolby has really endorsed that report, posting on social media 183 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 5: that Donald Trump is urging US allies to step up 184 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 5: their defense spending and other efforts in terms of our 185 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 5: collective defense. So he's really not walking away from this. 186 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 5: And all of this does raise some serious concerns I 187 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 5: think about how the Orchestra Review is going to shake out. 188 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 5: Koby is heading that review and it really could introduce 189 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 5: some new elements to the agreement that might be a 190 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,839 Speaker 5: little bit more onerous on Australia and we're really going 191 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 5: to have to just wait to see how that sort 192 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 5: of pans out. 193 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,479 Speaker 1: Ben Packham is the Australian's Foreign Affairs and Defense correspondent 194 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: and Will Glasgow is our North Asia correspondent. They're on 195 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:16,439 Speaker 1: the ground in China with Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi this week. 196 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:18,679 Speaker 1: You can read all their recording right now at the 197 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: Australian dot com dot au