Speaker 1: Lately, Zany gentleman, Welcome to the Late Debates.
Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the Late Debate. I'm kil Richards.
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us. Nice to have your company joining
Speaker 2: me on the desk. We have Lucy Zelig and Evelyn Ray.
Speaker 2: Now there are a lot of things to talk about tonight.
Speaker 2: This is an election year. Twenty twenty five is an
Speaker 2: election year and already the parties are coming up with
Speaker 2: promises and threats those in a moment. And also Scott
Speaker 2: Morrison spent a new year at mare Lago, but not
Speaker 2: everyone is happy about that. But firstly, there is one
Speaker 2: story which has been dominating the news all day. You've
Speaker 2: seen it leading every news bullooking, and it appears that
Speaker 2: when Donald Trump comes into power in about three weeks
Speaker 2: time on one of the big items on his list
Speaker 2: is going to have to be tackling terrorism because of
Speaker 2: this horrific incident that has happened in New Orleans, which
Speaker 2: is the way they pronounce it there, where you've had
Speaker 2: the car driving into people, fifteen people dead. This Shamsorda
Speaker 2: ding Jabbar has had a gun, he's had explosives. What's
Speaker 2: happening at the He is dead, He died in the attack.
Speaker 2: He was shot by police. But they're trying to work
Speaker 2: out now. The FBI has trying to work out if
Speaker 2: he's part of a gang, if there is a larger
Speaker 2: terrorist cell, and the answer is they don't know at
Speaker 2: the moment. At the same time, there was another event
Speaker 2: which happened in Las Vegas. Is it also a terrorist event?
Speaker 2: Is it connected? Is the question that everyone was asking.
Speaker 2: In Las Vegas there was a truck, a cyber truck
Speaker 2: which exploded. Appeared to be filled with cans of petrol
Speaker 2: and fireworks. It went up in an amazing sort of
Speaker 2: burst of flame, kill the driver. It seemed to be
Speaker 2: wired so that it would explodes. So was this meant
Speaker 2: to be a terrorist attack? And if so, was it
Speaker 2: coordinating with the attack in New Orleans. Many aspects of
Speaker 2: this have been discussed in the course of the day.
Speaker 2: It seems to me this one we still need to ask,
Speaker 2: and that is is this unavoidable? Can we in this
Speaker 2: day and age, given the level of terrorism that exists
Speaker 2: in the world around us, and the fact that Western
Speaker 2: civilization appear to be the target, can we avoid it?
Speaker 2: Is it preventable in some sort of way? Lucy, let
Speaker 2: me start with you. Is it unavoidable that some of
Speaker 2: us are going to die in terrorist attacks? Or can
Speaker 2: things be done to prevent these things happening?
Speaker 1: I think this is first of all, my heart goes
Speaker 1: out to all of the victims involved in this. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're still getting to the root cause of the situation,
Speaker 1: of course, and identifying the fact that it has been
Speaker 1: labeled as a terrorist attack in one instance in particular,
Speaker 1: has been important to help us try and put the
Speaker 1: piece of the puzzle together. I mean, we've seen such
Speaker 1: a rise in attacks in fundamentalist Islamic groups now that
Speaker 1: have been targeting a lot of the Western civilization, and
Speaker 1: I don't know that it's unavoidable unavoidable. I think we've
Speaker 1: reached a situation as difficult as it is to acknowledge,
Speaker 1: where the damage has already been done, right, and so.
Speaker 2: So what is the damage? What's the damage that's been
Speaker 2: done so far?
Speaker 1: Well, we're seeing the results of it now. All of
Speaker 1: these terrorist attacks forty five thousand plus terrorist attacks across
Speaker 1: Europe in the last decade have all been attributed to
Speaker 1: these Lambist fundamentalist movement, right, this extreme radicalist movement that
Speaker 1: has been designed to wage war on the Western world,
Speaker 1: and it's terrifying.
Speaker 3: Right, and I think we all rightly feel terrified.
Speaker 1: My cousin actually was staying at the Trump Tower in
Speaker 1: Las Vegas, so I managed to get him on air
Speaker 1: today to have a.
Speaker 3: Chat to him.
Speaker 1: The sheer terror in his voice because he said, we
Speaker 1: didn't know what it was. We were barricading the door.
Speaker 1: We didn't know if it was a shooter on the loose.
Speaker 1: Because of these attacks that have occurred in America so
Speaker 1: frequently now, we've almost very sadly become immune to it.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: But when they started to put the pieces of the
Speaker 1: puzzle together, all via social media and news reports that
Speaker 1: they were glued to within their room, they started to
Speaker 1: realize again, you know that this is something that's very
Speaker 1: concerning at the.
Speaker 3: Forefront of people's minds.
Speaker 1: We need to know now, Kel that in this scenario,
Speaker 1: how are we dealing with this?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: The best response, of course, is to show our support
Speaker 1: to everyone that's been aggrieved by it. But then you've
Speaker 1: got to strip it back, right, what's to blame? Is
Speaker 1: it immigration that we're steering down the barrel of that's
Speaker 1: the cause of this issue. But we can't wind the
Speaker 1: clock back now, and we have to think about how
Speaker 1: are we handling this when we identify through our intelligence
Speaker 1: agencies people that are making these observations, that are you know,
Speaker 1: prioritizing their allegiance to their movement.
Speaker 2: Given there are risks in the community, do the risks
Speaker 2: have to hit us, Evelyn? Or is it possibly? I mean,
Speaker 2: we've been saying for years, it's a tired old cliche
Speaker 2: that prevention is better than cure. Can the risk is there?
Speaker 2: Can we prevent the risk turning into an attack?
Speaker 4: I certainly think we can do a lot better than
Speaker 4: what we have been doing thus far.
Speaker 5: But like Lucy said, the bulk of.
Speaker 4: The damage has been done, and so now we have
Speaker 4: to as a nation and as collective nations, because let's
Speaker 4: be honest, this is mostly happening in the Western.
Speaker 3: World, have to We'll get statistics to you know, but.
Speaker 5: That's where it's happening, the bulk of it's happening.
Speaker 4: So we have to, I guess, figure out how to
Speaker 4: move forward from here. You know, I've just written some
Speaker 4: statistics down here. From December the twenty first to December
Speaker 4: the twenty seventh this year alone, there were twenty one
Speaker 4: attacks terrorist attacks in ten countries, killing one hundred and
Speaker 4: fifteen people and wounding fifty eight.
Speaker 5: Others, and that included one suicide blast.
Speaker 4: That is literally from the twenty first of December to
Speaker 4: the twenty seventh of December, where we know that's happnique,
Speaker 4: we know that's happening.
Speaker 2: We want to know if we can do something to prevent.
Speaker 2: I mean, we've seen the Lead Cafe siege in Sydney,
Speaker 2: We've seen at the end of last year, we saw
Speaker 2: a fire bombing attack on a Melbourne synagogue. Do they
Speaker 2: have to happen or is it possible for our police forces,
Speaker 2: our security forces? In some ways she said it kill
Speaker 2: she said it.
Speaker 3: The damage has already been done. Mate, it's too late,
Speaker 3: it's been done.
Speaker 2: You're giving up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, no one's giving up. No one's implying that.
Speaker 3: Oh yeh. I mean I think that we're.
Speaker 1: Saying now, and she's about to get to a point,
Speaker 1: is that we're trying to reach a consensus on how
Speaker 1: do we manage this now.
Speaker 4: The thing is you cannot You are a disease if
Speaker 4: you do not diagnose it correctly. We could be trying
Speaker 4: to fix our elbow when it's our knee that needs fixing.
Speaker 4: And so the reason why we need to we need
Speaker 4: to firstly acknowledge that the damage has been done and we.
Speaker 5: Need to ask questions why.
Speaker 4: One so that we can start fixing it, and two
Speaker 4: so we don't make the same mistakes again and our
Speaker 4: poor babies and our children and their children don't have
Speaker 4: to suffer. So the first thing we have to do
Speaker 4: is diagnose it, and that is I believe the number
Speaker 4: one cause for terrorism and these sorts of things is immigration.
Speaker 5: And I you know, I do not care anymore if
Speaker 5: I'm called a racist, because somebody has to have this
Speaker 5: good time to say it.
Speaker 3: It's exactly.
Speaker 4: And the second thing that I think we need to
Speaker 4: do is we need to start making it very difficult
Speaker 4: for people to do this. And how we do that
Speaker 4: is old school, and you punish for the crime, and
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, it is eye for an eye. If people
Speaker 4: want to come into your nation and they want to
Speaker 4: kill your citizens, death penalty.
Speaker 5: I think that's one of the only things.
Speaker 4: That will work because people will go, you know what,
Speaker 4: I can do that because I can get away with
Speaker 4: it a lifetime in prisons.
Speaker 2: How is the threat how is the threat of a
Speaker 2: death penalty going to stop a suicide bomber for usends
Speaker 2: to die. That's his plan. He always expected to stop.
Speaker 4: Stop young kids being indoctrinated. It stops extremism happening, It
Speaker 4: nives it in the bud very early on.
Speaker 2: Can we in public places do things. Do we need
Speaker 2: now to change our society so that there are bollards,
Speaker 2: there are physical obstructions to this kind of attack happening.
Speaker 2: Do we change the way we live?
Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen that, but I think vastly now
Speaker 1: people have changed.
Speaker 3: The way they live.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, when you go to these large scale events, I mean,
Speaker 1: I was just thanking God that everything went well over
Speaker 1: for us here, for us here in Australia, because you
Speaker 1: do have this sense of trepidation, particularly with the heightened
Speaker 1: temperature now regarding the conflict and everything occurring in the
Speaker 1: Middle East, so everyone does already feel on edge.
Speaker 3: Kel.
Speaker 1: I mean, I subscribe to what you know V saying
Speaker 1: in all of this, and I agree that we need.
Speaker 3: To have harsher penalties, right.
Speaker 1: We need to make it clear that if intelligence agencies
Speaker 1: are getting to the bottom of some type of operational
Speaker 1: people who are swearing their allegiances to their country, their cause,
Speaker 1: and their movement in our own country. I don't want
Speaker 1: them housed in our jols, get them out of here,
Speaker 1: to port them back to where they came from. And
Speaker 1: again that's not racist, that's protecting our own national and industry.
Speaker 2: Well, let me take up the point that the Australian
Speaker 2: intelligence community has told us that they have prevented more
Speaker 2: than thirty terrorist attacks in Australia by having good intelligence.
Speaker 2: They monitored the texts being exchanged between people, the emails
Speaker 2: being exchanged, the encrypted messages, and they managed to detect
Speaker 2: plans stop them before they came into action. There are
Speaker 2: people serving time in prisons in Australia who've been convicted
Speaker 2: of planning terrorist offenses. So is the law and enforcement
Speaker 2: part of our society, the intelligence part of our society
Speaker 2: capable of reducing the possibility of this happening.
Speaker 5: I think that they are.
Speaker 4: But unfortunately I think that, you know, one of the
Speaker 4: biggest downfalls of all of this is the mainstream media
Speaker 4: and the government, because what they've done is have pushed propaganda.
Speaker 4: They've not allowed correct journalism, they've not.
Speaker 3: Not used the correct language.
Speaker 5: It has an effect.
Speaker 4: Does the police hierarchy listen to these things and they're cautious.
Speaker 4: I remember a time in the Middle East into Asian
Speaker 4: and I remember being on the police radio going, am
Speaker 4: I looking from someone from you know, like a Chinese
Speaker 4: country or Japanese like the police force?
Speaker 3: What hell do we have in society?
Speaker 4: I'm telling you like it starts here by having honest
Speaker 4: conversations about the elephant in the room that will filter
Speaker 4: into Lauren Foston.
Speaker 5: Law enforcement shouldn't be.
Speaker 4: Affected by these things, but sadly the reality is that
Speaker 4: they are, and so we need to have the mainstream
Speaker 4: media held to account, the government held to account, and
Speaker 4: people like you and me at home need to just
Speaker 4: start calling a spade a spade.
Speaker 2: Well, can I say that your conversation has not cheered
Speaker 2: me up enormously? So let's hope the twenty twenty five
Speaker 2: turns out to be a good year because our intelligence
Speaker 2: services are doing an extremely good job. Now it is
Speaker 2: going to be an election year and already the promises
Speaker 2: are coming, the threats are coming. One of the things
Speaker 2: that's come out from the Coalition is the suggestion that
Speaker 2: there could be ten thousand Australian businesses go bankrupt before
Speaker 2: the Parliament sits next They're warning they put an exact
Speaker 2: number on it. Ten two hundred businesses may go bankrupt
Speaker 2: between last December and the coming June, which is when
Speaker 2: the next parliament will sit. In fact, if you have
Speaker 2: a look at this graph, it shows you business insolvencies
Speaker 2: over a period of time. The red bars are when
Speaker 2: there were labor governments. The blue bars shows when there
Speaker 2: were coalition governments liberal National Party governments. By and large,
Speaker 2: the liberal bars are a bit lower, and the bad
Speaker 2: news the business is going broke, usually small businesses, small
Speaker 2: family businesses that then economically cripple that family they've tended
Speaker 2: to fall apart under labor governments. Is this warning the
Speaker 2: kind of warning that will change votes? Do you think, Lucy?
Speaker 1: Look I personally, when it comes to what's going to
Speaker 1: decide this election this year, I genuinely think it's effectively
Speaker 1: a referendum on energy, to be honest. So you know,
Speaker 1: if you are someone that subscribes very heavily to the
Speaker 1: renewables path, regardless of how terribly Albo was done and
Speaker 1: how much he's driven this country into the ground, regardless
Speaker 1: of these types of statistics that we're showing everybody, I
Speaker 1: think that's the way that you're going to tend to
Speaker 1: vote if you support nuclear, if you support a change
Speaker 1: in government, if you recognize that we're not better off
Speaker 1: now than what we were in the last three and
Speaker 1: a bit years, then you're going to vote for Dunton.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: So if it's going to be energy, I mean James
Speaker 2: Clavell wrote that famous line for Bill Clinton years ago.
Speaker 2: It's the economy, stupid. We've got an economy clearly struggling.
Speaker 2: You're saying that's not going to count this time.
Speaker 3: Look, I don't know. This is the thing.
Speaker 1: If you are a staunch renewable supporter, I don't think
Speaker 1: the economy is going to be enough.
Speaker 2: What do you think of it?
Speaker 1: It's not the ideological BS is going to win.
Speaker 3: Trust me, it.
Speaker 1: Will as in for the voter, So the voter it
Speaker 1: will win in their mod.
Speaker 5: Yes, I do.
Speaker 4: I think that those voters are not going to change.
Speaker 4: I agree regardless of whatever this says. But I do
Speaker 4: think which is encouraging is that hopefully majority of the
Speaker 4: strains and seeing the result of like the Voice referendum, gives.
Speaker 5: Me hope that there are normal people at.
Speaker 4: Their majority of people, and this affects normal people, not
Speaker 4: those ideologically fueled extremist people.
Speaker 5: Who care about that.
Speaker 2: Even ideologically fuel people sooner or later get by reality bites.
Speaker 2: When suddenly life is costing you so much social then
Speaker 2: you have to say, no, no, there's something wrong here.
Speaker 2: I need to change.
Speaker 3: Have you met people on the list right?
Speaker 1: And look, there are a lot of very ballad and
Speaker 1: common sensical people on the left. But I also think
Speaker 1: that the pendulum has swung very far and we've become
Speaker 1: a nation also of extremists when it comes to.
Speaker 4: Our Polivia also very socialist, and the way that we
Speaker 4: have like a very nanny state, very you know, daddy
Speaker 4: government type thing is and we've even saw it through COVID,
Speaker 4: you know, like our government is so used to fishing
Speaker 4: people out of problems that I think these people honestly
Speaker 4: in their mind believe that they will be okay in
Speaker 4: the end because the government will save them. That's the problem,
Speaker 4: thankfully with this, especially with small businesses. These are the
Speaker 4: things that normal Australians really care about.
Speaker 2: Anthony Albernezi agrees with you because that's the line that
Speaker 2: he's pushing. He's saying, ignore the economy, ignoring it else
Speaker 2: that's going on. We will take care of you. He's
Speaker 2: making health front and center. He's talking about increasing the
Speaker 2: co payment for bulk billing, for changing the way possibly
Speaker 2: doctors are employed. He's making bulk billing at the center
Speaker 2: of Labour's election pitch and their attack on Dutton. They've
Speaker 2: already talked about re energizing the medi scare. But even
Speaker 2: if they don't do that, the things they are going
Speaker 2: to be promising. They're talking about taking doctors off fees
Speaker 2: for appointments and onto a yearly lump sum, which would
Speaker 2: make doctors effectively employers of employees of the government. But
Speaker 2: if what you say is true, that all the people
Speaker 2: who think yes, the government should run everything would be
Speaker 2: very happy.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they would, right, because they subscribe to that communist.
Speaker 3: Style ideology as well.
Speaker 1: You know, I just I think that again laborer clutching
Speaker 1: and they're really desperate. They're in a situation now. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you believe the polls, to be quite honest, I
Speaker 1: don't give too much weight and credence to polls anymore.
Speaker 1: We've seen how that's played out in the US multiple times,
Speaker 1: and it's never been an accurate depiction of what happens
Speaker 1: at the actual vote.
Speaker 3: The big dance. So when it comes to.
Speaker 1: This, I think that they are desperately looking for a
Speaker 1: way to appeal to the Australian public.
Speaker 3: They know that genuinely now.
Speaker 1: Per capita in this country, we are in a recession, right,
Speaker 1: so they know that.
Speaker 2: But you're saying, if you're sufficiently ideal logical, being in
Speaker 2: a recession, everything costing you more when you go to
Speaker 2: the supermarket doesn't matter. Is that the case? Evilent?
Speaker 4: So it is, you think, so, yes it is, And
Speaker 4: that's that's this is why it is so important for
Speaker 4: us to win the hearts and souls and minds of
Speaker 4: the younger generations, because that's.
Speaker 5: Where these this is where these sorts of people are.
Speaker 4: Birth from being indoctrinate in these Marxist ideologies in school,
Speaker 4: where they truly believe that, you know, daddy, government will
Speaker 4: be the Messiah and will save them from this. They
Speaker 4: haven't worked a hard day in their life. They're too
Speaker 4: busy gluing themselves to sidewalks. They don't understand responsible.
Speaker 2: That's not many people, I mean, that's a tiny.
Speaker 4: We're talking about here, you know, talking about the average
Speaker 4: is Stralian. We're talking about the people who will, regardless
Speaker 4: of all of these things still be voting.
Speaker 2: That way, but in the end the election is not
Speaker 2: decided by then the election is decided by and everything
Speaker 2: is costing more. We're told that cars are going to
Speaker 2: cost more than twenty two five because of the government's policy.
Speaker 2: The leader of the Nationals, David Littelbrad was saying exactly
Speaker 2: that today, and Lucy, you spoke to him on your program.
Speaker 1: I had the chance to speak to him because I
Speaker 1: wanted to hear his views on the issue. Of course,
Speaker 1: it's I think it's a ridiculous scheme again, labor taxing more.
Speaker 1: The price of these cars are effectively going to go
Speaker 1: through the roof, and some of the most popular cars
Speaker 1: that Australian families have come to love and really rely on,
Speaker 1: particularly those with big families, will find themselves in a
Speaker 1: scenario where they're going to be out of pocket a further.
Speaker 3: Two three thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: So I liked what he had to say on this subject,
Speaker 1: and I'd love everyone to take a bit of a listen.
Speaker 6: So manufacturers are moving towards reducing their emissions, but they
Speaker 6: need time and technology to catch up. But Anthony Alberanezi
Speaker 6: hasn't worried about that he's simply expecting us all to
Speaker 6: buy evs and for some that should be about choice.
Speaker 6: And I have no issues with EV's, but you should
Speaker 6: have a choice.
Speaker 1: This inherent push from Anthony Albanesi also to go down
Speaker 1: this electric vehicles half the rebates that he's attached to
Speaker 1: it as well, to try and make it more tempting
Speaker 1: in this bid to cut missions. I mean, do you
Speaker 1: think that the struggling family for really give a darn
Speaker 1: about climate change when they can't put food on the table,
Speaker 1: when they're struggling to put petrol in their tanks.
Speaker 2: That's the point I was making in the beginning. The
Speaker 2: point is that reality in the end bites, and reality
Speaker 2: in the end has an impact on people like trust.
Speaker 3: I think you are a sensible ideological people. They're the
Speaker 3: ones I'm talking about. They're not going to be swayed.
Speaker 2: There are five of them, and they meet it in
Speaker 2: the Young Labor Club. But they don't do you think
Speaker 2: used to decide elections? And in fact, the one thing
Speaker 2: that I think might have a big bite in the
Speaker 2: election is what's happened with mortgages, because mortgage pain has
Speaker 2: already hit. This is the actual payments that people have
Speaker 2: had to make to keep up with their mortgages. Twelve
Speaker 2: increase rates in a row interest rates in a row
Speaker 2: mortgage interests bill up an extra twenty six thousand to
Speaker 2: fifty thousand for the average home since twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2: I hear what you're saying about ideology, but that reality
Speaker 2: that we can see on the screen, Evelyn, surely that
Speaker 2: in the end says to people, this is what you
Speaker 2: do with the pencil in the privacy of the voting booth.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, and that's I think we were all saying, you know,
Speaker 4: exactly the same thing at the beginning, is that at
Speaker 4: the moment, Australians are feeling it really tough. Everyday Australians
Speaker 4: are struggling to pay electricity, to pay for mortgages, pay
Speaker 4: for rent, pay for childcare, education.
Speaker 5: These are really tough.
Speaker 4: So this is going to really speak volumes in the
Speaker 4: next election. I just hope and pray that people don't
Speaker 4: believe the same gullible lies and forall for the same
Speaker 4: four years like they did.
Speaker 5: But you're right, this stuff really does matter.
Speaker 4: I mean, if you look at mortgages, the amount of
Speaker 4: money that they're learning and the amount of money that
Speaker 4: you have to pay back in interest and principle is insane.
Speaker 4: You're basically in debt for the rest of your life.
Speaker 3: That's if you can get one in the first place.
Speaker 1: Right how people are struggling to even get into the housing.
Speaker 2: March prices are high exactly.
Speaker 3: I mean we've seen a trend.
Speaker 1: I mean I spoke to, you know, a financial strategist
Speaker 1: today who said that we have seen a bit of
Speaker 1: a drop in housing prices. But ultimately, you know, it's
Speaker 1: going to be a big guessing game as we come
Speaker 1: towards the election, right about when is the RBA going
Speaker 1: to make their rate cut announcement.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's so much hinging on this, but ultimately.
Speaker 1: Now, I mean, we've spoken a lot about the ideology
Speaker 1: around it, but you know, at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: the things that matter most to Australians is can I
Speaker 1: put food on the table?
Speaker 3: Can I provide for my family? I don't know.
Speaker 2: That's what I've been saying for the last ten minutes
Speaker 2: on one for kell Nil for the panel, It's not
Speaker 2: about ID, It's about reality.
Speaker 1: It is about reality to people with common sense.
Speaker 2: But what I'm saying anyone who goes to them.
Speaker 1: To the hardcore Heidier logs, They're not going to be
Speaker 1: persuaded because they'll continue to make excuses.
Speaker 3: For the alban Easy government.
Speaker 1: You're saying no, but they will, and I'll see it
Speaker 1: daily in commentary and the way they.
Speaker 5: Voted for Dean Andrews again after what he did.
Speaker 1: Because exactly, I mean, you know he did, he did
Speaker 1: what he did down in Melbourne and they still get
Speaker 1: in a labor government.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's absolutely Can I just read something about
Speaker 4: mortgage is quickly, just to just to break it up
Speaker 4: a bit. I wrote this down and it actually just
Speaker 4: blew my mind when I thought about this, just how
Speaker 4: insane this is and the position that we're putting young
Speaker 4: people who might be entering alone. So over thirty years,
Speaker 4: the total repayment on a one million dollar loan, which
Speaker 4: is you couldn't even afford a five or so for
Speaker 4: over thirty years, the total repayment on a one million
Speaker 4: dollar loan would approximately be over two point one million dollars,
Speaker 4: of which over one point one million dollars would just
Speaker 4: be pure interest, Like that is kneecapping.
Speaker 5: Young families who want to.
Speaker 4: Have a home for their kids, like to pay that
Speaker 4: much money and interest is ludicrous to me that we
Speaker 4: live in a first world nation and we can't do
Speaker 4: more for our kids.
Speaker 1: My father, my father paid one thousand dollars for a
Speaker 1: block of land, and I mean, this is going back
Speaker 1: to the nineteen seventies and we account for indexation and
Speaker 1: all of that kind of stuff. But he said, after tap,
Speaker 1: I could have had a deposit the block of land
Speaker 1: after ten.
Speaker 3: Weeks of work.
Speaker 1: People are killing themselves kell and they still can't afford it.
Speaker 2: The ideologues experience that you're saying to me that the ideolog.
Speaker 1: Know that they worship the climate like it's a god,
Speaker 1: their identity.
Speaker 2: It is the number of people who divorce themselves from
Speaker 2: reality that completely is tiny. We live with compulsory voting.
Speaker 2: It's this wonderful system that tends to give us sensible governments,
Speaker 2: most of the centrist governments. So because it's compulsory voting,
Speaker 2: twenty five million Australians have to make up their mind,
Speaker 2: not the ideologues. And what we're all agreeing on is
Speaker 2: the reality is so tough they are going to have
Speaker 2: to go in a way that rescues them.
Speaker 1: But do you do you honestly think that Dutton's going
Speaker 1: to win this election. I hope he does quite frankly,
Speaker 1: But do you see it panning.
Speaker 3: Out that way?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: In a landslide you in a landslide Alah, Trump.
Speaker 2: It's going to be big. Yes. I mean, I know
Speaker 2: I've known my colors to the master on this before.
Speaker 2: And there may be an election night where I feel
Speaker 2: very silly that could happen, That could easily happen. But
Speaker 2: I'm still convinced that in fact there's On the subject
Speaker 2: of opinion polls as a group of people, the pollsters
Speaker 2: can't measure. They measure everyone who agrees to take part
Speaker 2: in a telephone pole. But some people say no, And
Speaker 2: I'm convinced more and more people are saying no, don't
Speaker 2: want to talk about it, won't take part in the poll.
Speaker 2: And those people, they are the people who are living
Speaker 2: in reality. They are the people who, in the end
Speaker 2: who are going to say, we're going to make these
Speaker 2: people a one turn government and we're going to elect
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton. Now I can see that happening. Am I
Speaker 2: being too cheerful? Evelyn? Look?
Speaker 4: I like I'm a very glass half empty person and
Speaker 4: maybe that's something I need to change about myself.
Speaker 3: But to be honest, stupidity.
Speaker 5: Can't stain itself.
Speaker 4: I agree, and you know, I think and I'm hopeful
Speaker 4: that Dutton wins. I do not necessarily think that it's
Speaker 4: going to be by a landslide, because I do think
Speaker 4: that there is such a We still have to wear jerseys.
Speaker 4: It's either you vote Liberal or you vote Labor and
Speaker 4: you wear blue or you wear Moron blue.
Speaker 5: By the way, but.
Speaker 4: This is unfortunately how we work in our country and
Speaker 4: I think that's something we need to break down.
Speaker 5: And I think we need to start looking at.
Speaker 4: Things more objectively, look at policy instead of looking at
Speaker 4: you know, a.
Speaker 5: Party, so to speak.
Speaker 4: But I don't think it's going to be a landslide
Speaker 4: because I agree with Lucy. I think there are a
Speaker 4: lot more people who are so ideologically feeled than we realize,
Speaker 4: especially young people coming into voting.
Speaker 3: Yes, I know.
Speaker 5: There's a shift from Greens to Labor.
Speaker 4: If you look statistically, there has been a shift, and
Speaker 4: that's a positive thing. Hopefully they then keep moving up
Speaker 4: the ladder and go from you know, Greens to Labor
Speaker 4: to Liberal to maybe an independent party would.
Speaker 2: Give you one hard numbers the Greens have dropped four percent.
Speaker 2: Two percent of gone to lay but two percent of
Speaker 2: gone to liberal. Now that's a really interesting shift. I mean,
Speaker 2: it seems to me that all Peter Dutton has to
Speaker 2: do is to stand up and use the Donald Trump
Speaker 2: line and say to people, do are you better off
Speaker 2: than you were three years ago? And suddenly people.
Speaker 1: But if you're a fan of renewables, you're not going
Speaker 1: to care what the answer is to that, because that
Speaker 1: is going to be what guides you at the ballot box.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you now, Kel, I just that's how I
Speaker 3: certainly feel about it.
Speaker 1: The sentiment of the public commentary that I'm saying, I
Speaker 1: know you don't like to hear it because you want
Speaker 1: people to be stinked.
Speaker 3: In reality, this is a referendum on energy. This is
Speaker 3: what this is this election.
Speaker 4: I do think on this though, and it's important to know.
Speaker 4: I do think there is a shift. I can feel
Speaker 4: a shift.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 5: That saying I feel it in my water is that
Speaker 5: you can feel.
Speaker 4: You know, Trump won the election and you're conservatives, it's
Speaker 4: now more.
Speaker 5: Acceptable to be right wing. It's now cooler.
Speaker 4: And with that, I think the younger generation you know,
Speaker 4: coming through is good. And like I said, if we
Speaker 4: win the younger generations, there's.
Speaker 3: Hope for the future.
Speaker 4: But the problem is we've thrown them into school from
Speaker 4: four years old and they've been indoctrinated into this Marxist
Speaker 4: ideology and it's it runs thick like it's like Lucy said, if.
Speaker 5: Somebody is there, it's their identity.
Speaker 4: So and this is the problem because they raise these
Speaker 4: kids so that if you question the policy or if
Speaker 4: you question the idea, they take it as a personal
Speaker 4: attack because you're questioning them because they do consume this
Speaker 4: as their identity.
Speaker 5: But now that there is a.
Speaker 4: Shift and more of the quieter people, the quieter voters,
Speaker 4: the quieter kids who just sat there, I feel like
Speaker 4: they're going to be more confident to come from emboldened.
Speaker 5: But I don't think we're there.
Speaker 4: I think we've got a long way to go because
Speaker 4: of the damage that we've done.
Speaker 5: But yeah, like I said, there is a shift.
Speaker 2: No, that's an encouraging note. Let me give you. You
Speaker 2: may be thinking to yourself, this is terrible. The selection
Speaker 2: may go the wrong way. Twenty twenty five may't be horrible.
Speaker 2: Let me encourage you. I will give you some numbers, Lucy.
Speaker 2: The number of Australians who are committed idea logues is
Speaker 2: forty percent. The people who are realists are sixty percent.
Speaker 2: Those figures are firm. We got them in the referendum.
Speaker 2: They are the figures and the referendum, and they tell
Speaker 2: us who the realists are and who the ideal logues
Speaker 2: are and the realists who will win.
Speaker 3: Have you have any of you been polled?
Speaker 1: Like I'd love to know this, because we look at
Speaker 1: the facts and figures. We rely a lot on data
Speaker 1: and statistics. I don't know anyone that's been polled, that's
Speaker 1: received a telephone call, but we tend to give again
Speaker 1: a lot of weight to certain statistics and all the
Speaker 1: rest of it. Because that was one thing as a
Speaker 1: journalist that I was told to be very cautious of right,
Speaker 1: be wary of polls, be wary of surveys and statistics,
Speaker 1: because we don't know what's the catchment area Clinton. And
Speaker 1: the lead up to the they said that Trump had
Speaker 1: no shot, right, and they said that this election between
Speaker 1: you know, Rump and Carmela was going to be incredibly tight.
Speaker 2: That's my point about Hanslop, That's my point about the
Speaker 2: Pole that I think there are people that the polls
Speaker 2: just don't catch and can't measure. Mind you, they did
Speaker 2: predict the outcome of the last election. They did predict
Speaker 2: that Scott Morrison would lose, and he did lose, but
Speaker 2: he's still enjoyed himself. Short celebrated New Year's Eve at
Speaker 2: Mara a Lago with Donald Trump. Have a look at
Speaker 2: this picture. There you can see Jenny Morrison and beside
Speaker 2: her Milania Trump, and then Donald J. Trump himself and
Speaker 2: then the Great Schoma celebrating. Now you know, that's fine.
Speaker 2: They had a happy New Year's Eve, but not everyone
Speaker 2: is happy about that. There was a tweet posted by
Speaker 2: Simon Holmes of Court. Now if you've forgotten his name,
Speaker 2: he is the rich man who pays for the teals,
Speaker 2: mister Tels, And this is what he said. He said,
Speaker 2: If Scott Morrison ever reads the replies to this tweet,
Speaker 2: it'll be the second time he will have wished he
Speaker 2: could stay in the US and avoid coming back home.
Speaker 2: Morrison is as popular as Rolf Harris. I mean, that
Speaker 2: is about as cruel as you can get, isn't it disgusting?
Speaker 1: Action, Oh my gosh, And this coming from a movement
Speaker 1: that have been so hell bent on encouraging and telling
Speaker 1: and rating us to be kind and compassionate, and to
Speaker 1: be better with our language, and to be less racist,
Speaker 1: less divisive, all of these things.
Speaker 3: Simon Holmes a court, you're a coward man.
Speaker 1: You are a beata male who hides behind your female
Speaker 1: candidates to push your climate agender, grow a set and
Speaker 1: go and tell that discomo to his face.
Speaker 3: That would be my advice to you.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just despicable and it's embarrassing, you know.
Speaker 1: And at what point are we now going to start
Speaker 1: calling the teals a party as well?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: I mean, I know that we're kind of dominoing from
Speaker 1: that subject, but just disgrace you.
Speaker 3: Comparing the man to a convicted and lake Peter.
Speaker 2: Phob I said Rolf Harris was convicted of sexual assault
Speaker 2: and has passed away now, so comparing Scott Morrison to
Speaker 2: a dead man who was convicted of sexual assault, that's
Speaker 2: pretty nasty.
Speaker 5: It's got a politics, you know. I think we've come
Speaker 5: to expect that from.
Speaker 4: These sorts and that's why I actually I think it's
Speaker 4: great that these sorts of people are posting these things,
Speaker 4: and I think it's great that they're not being deleted
Speaker 4: off the internet. I was disappointed when you Know Dutton
Speaker 4: was asking you know to put down the meme with
Speaker 4: his wife, because I thought, I want people to see
Speaker 4: who they're voting for the sorts of people they're voting for,
Speaker 4: because I don't know about you guys, or you at home,
Speaker 4: that I actually really want to hold the politicians who
Speaker 4: represent me and who have authority over me highest step
Speaker 4: and I want them to be good people. I want
Speaker 4: them to be moral, I want them to be God fearing,
Speaker 4: and I want them to be good because that makes
Speaker 4: my life and my family's life good. And so I
Speaker 4: want these things to stay there on the internet so
Speaker 4: that people who are voting can see these cowardly type
Speaker 4: things and can actually make an informed decision, because I
Speaker 4: don't want people like that ever telling me and my
Speaker 4: family how to live my life.
Speaker 2: Now, let me ask you a question. Would you like
Speaker 2: your state government to spend three hundred million dollars on
Speaker 2: an indigenous culture center? There's a possible answer after this
Speaker 2: break and Welcome back Kill Richard's with Evelyn Ray and
Speaker 2: Lucy zellikin this is the Late Debate. Now, think about
Speaker 2: being a police officer. You would think one of the
Speaker 2: most basic things you need in this day and age
Speaker 2: would be a stab vist. We know that there are
Speaker 2: police officers who tragically die in the course of their duty.
Speaker 2: They're certainly attacked, so they need a stab vest which
Speaker 2: will fit and suit and do the job. But if
Speaker 2: you're a female police officer in Queensland and you're a
Speaker 2: bit small, you're on the petite side, they actually don't
Speaker 2: don't have one that fits. The around three hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty police officers in Queensland young women police officers, and
Speaker 2: there is no protection available for them. Now they brought
Speaker 2: in some new stab vests and the stab vests don't
Speaker 2: fit people who are a bit smaller. They are simply
Speaker 2: the wrong size. The protection plates inside the stab vist
Speaker 2: are too big to fit on a smaller body. Now
Speaker 2: you beat a police officer, Evelyn. The idea that the
Speaker 2: police department just might have equipment that doesn't work and
Speaker 2: doesn't fit, does that shock you?
Speaker 5: Absolutely not. It does not shock me in the side.
Speaker 4: So interestingly, I you know, I served for over eleven
Speaker 4: years and in my entire years of so so I
Speaker 4: had never had a slash proof anything. So this is
Speaker 4: I felt relatively new like I was a detective after
Speaker 4: a few years, so I don't know if this was
Speaker 4: if this was brought out in uniform quicker than I know,
Speaker 4: but I remember towards the tail end of my time
Speaker 4: in uniform there was talk about it. A few people
Speaker 4: opted to have it if they wanted to, and it
Speaker 4: went underneath your blue button up shirt.
Speaker 5: But it was just not really a thing, to be honest.
Speaker 4: We went, you know, on the streets and went to
Speaker 4: knife attack everything.
Speaker 3: You just rock up in your in your blue.
Speaker 2: But did they ever offer you one.
Speaker 5: No, it wasn't a thing. I'm fairly sure from memory, and.
Speaker 4: Like I was a probably when Moses walked the author's
Speaker 4: how long it feel?
Speaker 3: Not that on them.
Speaker 4: But it was just something I from what I remember,
Speaker 4: you had to request your supervisor, and I'm fairly sure
Speaker 4: they were quite costly, so they didn't really give them
Speaker 4: out very often. But I will mention this, and again
Speaker 4: this may have changed, but back when I was in
Speaker 4: you had two large bulletproof vests that you would put
Speaker 4: in the boot of your police car and if there
Speaker 4: was like an active shooter or something with a firearm involved,
Speaker 4: you would have to get it out. It wasn't assigned
Speaker 4: to you as an individual officer. It was like assigned
Speaker 4: to your car or your police station. And those bulletproof
Speaker 4: vests did not fit women at all. As a female
Speaker 4: police officer, it was nearly impossible for me to wear
Speaker 4: because it was so large. It could fit somebody who
Speaker 4: was like two six.
Speaker 5: Foot four blokes put together like that.
Speaker 4: These were made for like sumo men, it would look like,
Speaker 4: and it would sit over your appointment belt, over your firearm,
Speaker 4: over your handcuffs, your.
Speaker 5: Bat and everything.
Speaker 4: And it was such an I'm like, I'd rather get
Speaker 4: shot and take my chances so that I can pull
Speaker 4: my gun than wear this and stand there and basically
Speaker 4: be useless.
Speaker 3: It was very difficult.
Speaker 4: But this is unfortunately the state of the police force.
Speaker 4: You know, we are in very dangerous situations and these
Speaker 4: sorts of things have just come to be something we
Speaker 4: accept and we just get on with our job.
Speaker 1: I find that insane, though, like to listen to that
Speaker 1: we're being protected in such a highly volatile and high
Speaker 1: risk job that that.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't be something that is put.
Speaker 1: The fore front of their minds, and that's made a priority.
Speaker 2: The television police shows that we see because in the
Speaker 2: television police shows, which are largely American, they go out
Speaker 2: on a rate and everyone has got a stab. Best
Speaker 2: just clearly the standard these days. That's what we assume,
Speaker 2: isn't it.
Speaker 3: I just I can't.
Speaker 4: I'm still flawed by this actually came about after very
Speaker 4: tragically and sadly the Queensland.
Speaker 5: Police officers were killed, were murdered.
Speaker 4: In that seat situation, correct, And so I'm fairly sure
Speaker 4: that things like this, and unfortunately what happens a lot
Speaker 4: of the time is bad things happen, and it then
Speaker 4: goes to the coroner's court and there's an inquest, and
Speaker 4: then the coroner goes, oh, wow, this is really bad,
Speaker 4: I better do something, and then they issue like mandates
Speaker 4: and things that.
Speaker 5: The police then take on.
Speaker 4: But it's just sad that it takes like the deaths
Speaker 4: of people serving and on duty for action to happen. Look,
Speaker 4: I know, I criticize the overreach of the police, particularly
Speaker 4: in COVID. I think it was disgusting and I know
Speaker 4: a lot of police officers who really struggled having to
Speaker 4: make these decisions.
Speaker 5: I know a lot of.
Speaker 4: Police officers who lost their jobs because of the mandates
Speaker 4: and stuff, and I'm more.
Speaker 5: Than happy to be critical.
Speaker 4: I think you have to be critical of government and
Speaker 4: police when they have authority over the citizen in.
Speaker 2: This this is a responsibility to look after people well.
Speaker 4: In terms of this, I'm more than happy to stick
Speaker 4: my neck out because cops do put their neck on
Speaker 4: the line every day, day and out the things that
Speaker 4: they have to witness and see, and they want to
Speaker 4: go home to their families just like we all do
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, and stuff like this
Speaker 4: should be what we fight our.
Speaker 2: Cops for until they sort it out. The only advice
Speaker 2: we can give you is, if you're a small female
Speaker 2: police officer in Queensland, stick to the desk work until
Speaker 2: they've sorted this one out and got the rights of
Speaker 2: the best.
Speaker 3: That's the advice.
Speaker 1: Really, Like what am I struggling to recruit.
Speaker 2: I mean, let's stay in Queensland. In Queensland, they've been
Speaker 2: debating for about twenty years spending a lot of money
Speaker 2: building an indigenous cultural center. They talk about as being
Speaker 2: a world class Indigenous cultural center. A whole series of
Speaker 2: governments have been promising this over the last twenty years.
Speaker 2: The new Premier, David Chris Fooley is now under pressure
Speaker 2: to build this world class indigenous cultural center in Queensland.
Speaker 2: He's not saying anything. He's staying silent on it because
Speaker 2: he knows, among other things, he has to pay for
Speaker 2: the Olympics in twenty thirty two, and perhaps he just
Speaker 2: doesn't want another cost burden, or perhaps he's just not
Speaker 2: all that enthusiastic about it. The cost that's been projected.
Speaker 2: They've done a three million dollar detailed business study and
Speaker 2: projected a possible cost of three hundred million dollars for
Speaker 2: a world class indigenous culture center. Is it worth it? Lucy? I?
Speaker 1: You know, I'm a journalist, and of course, and I've
Speaker 1: always been someone I work in talkback radio.
Speaker 3: At the moment, I'm really lost for words.
Speaker 1: But I saw this and I thought, really, is this
Speaker 1: in a cost of living crisis as particularly when you
Speaker 1: look at it in the state of Queensland where we're
Speaker 1: steering down the barrel of people dying in ambulances and
Speaker 1: from the issues with ramping. This is the best way
Speaker 1: that we can spend our money to whose benefit?
Speaker 3: For what reason? What reason I'm asking is this three
Speaker 3: hundred million.
Speaker 5: Dollars worth of virtue signaling?
Speaker 1: But it's insane to me that it doesn't matter, regardless
Speaker 1: of how rtuous you are and how desperate you are
Speaker 1: to show how virtuous you are that in the steering
Speaker 1: down the barrel of all of the issues that so
Speaker 1: many Australians have in this country, that this is a
Speaker 1: worthy way to spend hard working taxpayers dollars.
Speaker 2: I can't. Maybe the money could be raised, the money
Speaker 2: that may be needed could be raised from the corporate sector,
Speaker 2: because they all want to be so virtuous, don't they.
Speaker 2: Now you promised everything to do a bit of research
Speaker 2: and discover if there already are indigenous cultural centers in Australia.
Speaker 2: What did you find?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so.
Speaker 4: It's difficult because they use different words for things. But
Speaker 4: there are two sort of categories of things which I
Speaker 4: would say are very similar to what they're suggesting to
Speaker 4: do here. And one is an Indigenous and cultural center.
Speaker 4: And you've got Indigenous art centers okay around Australia. So
Speaker 4: from the research that I did, I found that they're
Speaker 4: already over thirty five registered. So mind you, this could
Speaker 4: take in consideration other things that aren't registered as is,
Speaker 4: but there are over thirty five registered Indigenous and Cultural
Speaker 4: centers okay, and then on top of that, I found
Speaker 4: that they're.
Speaker 5: As well eighty eight Indigenous Arts Center.
Speaker 4: So if we have six states and two territories in Australia,
Speaker 4: so we'll just say there's eight parts of Australia if
Speaker 4: you do the maths, and I know i'll do it
Speaker 4: Kell because you're a words guy.
Speaker 3: But.
Speaker 4: It would be the equivalent of having at least four
Speaker 4: of these in each state. And so I guess the
Speaker 4: question is is there a.
Speaker 5: Need for something like this?
Speaker 4: Clearly from what I could find, I don't think there
Speaker 4: is a need. Two, Could the money be better spent elsewhere?
Speaker 4: Imagine three hundred million dollars properly spent in indigenous communities.
Speaker 1: Who have hired They're getting billions of dollars annually, millions
Speaker 1: of I'm stipulating proper like proper distribution of this to
Speaker 1: children in need, but they're already being allocated those profunds exactly.
Speaker 3: So that's what we need to get to the bottom
Speaker 3: one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Where are these billions of dollars that are being allocated
Speaker 1: to these indigenous communities?
Speaker 3: Where are they being spent?
Speaker 2: I want to know, we are reminded to know, Senator
Speaker 2: just Center Naperjurpa Price wants to do if she becomes
Speaker 2: a Minister for Indigenous Affairs. The first thing is you
Speaker 2: do a proper accounting and a proper auditing of where
Speaker 2: the money.
Speaker 3: It has to be done. But let me just leave
Speaker 3: you with this final point about all of this.
Speaker 1: What does this so called world class cultural center in
Speaker 1: Queensland do for these indigenous communities? What does it do
Speaker 1: to address issues of alcoholism, of children as young as
Speaker 1: ten being exposed to pornography, of the violence that we're
Speaker 1: seeing breaking out in Alice Springs that's virtually out of control.
Speaker 3: There's almost there are almost states of laws.
Speaker 2: There's a questions for people to think about, because there
Speaker 2: are questions for you to think about what we're doing
Speaker 2: about culture. By the way, let's turn our attention to
Speaker 2: a different area of culture to comedy, because the story
Speaker 2: is that woke has killed comedy. You know, the saying
Speaker 2: go woke, miss the joke. They're doing it all the time. Now,
Speaker 2: there is one particular cnichomedian for example, let me ask
Speaker 2: you the question, and this connects with what we were
Speaker 2: just talking about. Can a comedian make jokes about Aboriginal
Speaker 2: Australians comedian Biddy Laughlin had to try it this and
Speaker 2: she's now been criticized for the fact that she made
Speaker 2: jokes about Aboriginal women, and she's likely to. I mean,
Speaker 2: the High Court of Cancel Culture brought down their gavel
Speaker 2: on are almost immediately and said, no, you're out of
Speaker 2: order doing that kind of thing. Now you've had a
Speaker 2: chat to Biddy, haven't you.
Speaker 3: Oh, I haven't. I've reached out to her, but I
Speaker 3: covered this story.
Speaker 1: I didn't editorial about it this morning, and of course
Speaker 1: automatically got accused of having white privilege and that that's
Speaker 1: what seems to be the issue and why I've got
Speaker 1: this opinion I'm just a perpetual racist. You know what
Speaker 1: I would argue is the reaction to this is, you know, that's.
Speaker 3: What's causing this further divide in our country.
Speaker 1: That is what is effectively stipulating to us that, you
Speaker 1: know what, you can't make comments or even joke at
Speaker 1: the expense of Indigenous people. Biddy sat down with an
Speaker 1: Aboriginal woman who, by the way she grew Biddy grew
Speaker 1: up she was born and raised in Alice Springs.
Speaker 3: So she understands the people, the culture as well. She
Speaker 3: knew a grandmother.
Speaker 1: She bought the woman a beer, and after the woman
Speaker 1: drank the beer, she said, can I have another one?
Speaker 3: And Betty said, you know, why don't you just share
Speaker 3: this one?
Speaker 1: I encourage everyone to look at the footage and you
Speaker 1: can make your minds up for yourself. And the woman says, oh,
Speaker 1: we don't do that in my culture. And Biddy makes
Speaker 1: a couple of jokes at the expense of her and
Speaker 1: just impersonated her voice, and you know, and said that,
Speaker 1: you know, well, when you say Ala springs.
Speaker 3: You've got to say it this way.
Speaker 1: But it's also with a mouthful of methylated spirits, right,
Speaker 1: And so I did my own research. I mean, I
Speaker 1: love stand up comedy. I think that we take ourselves
Speaker 1: far too seriously. Political correctness has gone mad. But I
Speaker 1: also appreciate the comedy of a guy like Dave Chappelle, Right,
Speaker 1: you know, an African American man who always jokes about
Speaker 1: white people, impersonates them, talks about white people in the
Speaker 1: state of Ohio loving heroine.
Speaker 3: Right now, that's its pretty intense, that's pretty hardcore.
Speaker 1: But I watched it and I laughed. I found it
Speaker 1: to be entertaining. Why can they make jokes at a
Speaker 1: white person's expense and villify them racially, But if it's
Speaker 1: done in reverse, in the spirit of jest and not
Speaker 1: to cause harm, right, Because that's what we have to
Speaker 1: realize in all of this.
Speaker 3: Why are the standards different?
Speaker 1: So much for equality, so much for walking together and
Speaker 1: ignoring the color of one another's skin.
Speaker 3: In the face of all this, we all bleed the
Speaker 3: same blood.
Speaker 1: That message only exists on their side of the argument,
Speaker 1: but not on out.
Speaker 2: Maybe it depends on who you are and what race
Speaker 2: you are. I was talking to a lovely Aboriginal man
Speaker 2: and he was a very clever, very funny man. He said, kel,
Speaker 2: do you realize there wasn't an Aboriginal person in the garden?
Speaker 2: Me I said, how do you know? He said, we
Speaker 2: would have thrown away the apple and eaten the snake.
Speaker 2: Now that was him making the joke, and because it
Speaker 2: was his culture, he was allowed to do that. But
Speaker 2: let's turn to something which is far more serious. We've
Speaker 2: often talked about the wave of anti Semitism that's sweeping
Speaker 2: across Australia. It's cruel, it is jew hatred. It's the
Speaker 2: kind of thing we are all opposed to and fighting
Speaker 2: against and people are doing that. Freier Leitch, whom you
Speaker 2: know as a panelist on Sky News more than once
Speaker 2: she found one of the co founders of organizations are
Speaker 2: called Never Again is Now and a whole lot of
Speaker 2: Christians have backed her up and had a number of
Speaker 2: rallies in order to say we're standing with Jewish people.
Speaker 2: The Hindu community is doing the same. One of the
Speaker 2: countries leading Hindu leaders is warning Anthony Alberanezi that religious
Speaker 2: hatred is something that can kill Australia. He said the
Speaker 2: nation is quote incubating religious intolerance with its failure to
Speaker 2: clamp down on anti Semitism, claiming those who hate Jewish
Speaker 2: Australians hate people of all faiths except their own. I'm
Speaker 2: delighted that the Hindu people of Australia are standing with
Speaker 2: the Jewish people. I think that's great. We all should
Speaker 2: send older to shoulder with Jewish Australians and it's nice
Speaker 2: to see this. It's nice to see there are people
Speaker 2: rallying around in the face of all the hatred that's
Speaker 2: flying around.
Speaker 4: I think it's good to always stand up for what's
Speaker 4: good and for what's right. I think that more people
Speaker 4: should be bold in doing that and not fear, you know,
Speaker 4: the repercussions for that. But to be honest, I'd love
Speaker 4: to see more of this for all people in our country, because,
Speaker 4: to be honest, my church was vandalized, and I'm a Christian.
Speaker 5: I get told.
Speaker 4: Every day it's to stop believing in a sky fairy Daddy.
Speaker 4: So I actually don't think this is just isolated to
Speaker 4: one particular group. So we might be seeing more of
Speaker 4: that at the moment because we're heated in war at
Speaker 4: the moment and so we're seeing different things.
Speaker 5: But I actually think that.
Speaker 4: This is such a bigger, broader problem, and I think
Speaker 4: that it goes across all things, and I would like
Speaker 4: to see more people standing up for what is good
Speaker 4: and for what is right across the board. And I
Speaker 4: hope and thankfully we have laws that already exist in
Speaker 4: our country to protect from actual threats of violence and
Speaker 4: from intimidation and harassment.
Speaker 2: Expressions of support can be really good. And it is
Speaker 2: a difficult time. I mean, we've had in New South Wales.
Speaker 2: The state government has fairly recently said that places of
Speaker 2: worship can now have special physical protections around them, bollards
Speaker 2: and that kind of thing. I mean, if we've got
Speaker 2: into a society that's got to that point, we need
Speaker 2: people to speak up for each other and say I'm
Speaker 2: standing with you, I.
Speaker 3: Agree and heartbreaking.
Speaker 1: Like Evelyn, I'm a woman of faith, a very proud
Speaker 1: Christian woman, and I think that various times in my
Speaker 1: life I've certainly been attacked over my faith, and so
Speaker 1: I know what it feels like. I know that, you know,
Speaker 1: it's really heartbreaking to be judged on those things. And
Speaker 1: we should, rightfully so feel safe when we go to synagogue's, churches, temples,
Speaker 1: whatever it may be. We all have the right to
Speaker 1: feel safe where we worship.
Speaker 2: And can I just before we go to a break,
Speaker 2: can I just say to you. You know the Sea
Speaker 2: and N television channel, it's a lefty channel. They supported
Speaker 2: the Democrats all through the election. They've had a very
Speaker 2: interesting New Year's Eve celebration because they had a guest
Speaker 2: on their program. Her name is Whitney Cumming, and she's
Speaker 2: a comedian and she made some wonderful jokes and then
Speaker 2: suddenly realized she was on CNN making anti Democratic part
Speaker 2: who In fact, one of the things she said was
Speaker 2: I now played the audiences of three thousand people, which
Speaker 2: is about the size of the CNN a viewing audience.
Speaker 2: Take a look at what she said, ring.
Speaker 7: It's the bus I'm not playing, you know, like three
Speaker 7: thousand see Peter ass about the viewership of CNN these days.
Speaker 7: Twenty twenty four election fried our brains. The Democrats couldn't
Speaker 7: hold a primary because they were too busy holding a
Speaker 7: body up?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 7: Are we still rolling on my off rope for it?
Speaker 7: It was amazing that the pro choice party didn't give
Speaker 7: their voters im when he came to the presidential candidate
Speaker 7: toml was forced on us so hard you'd think she
Speaker 7: was paunted by Pizer.
Speaker 2: I think she's very fun. They're very clever lines. But well,
Speaker 2: he ever get another gig on CNN? Okay, coming up
Speaker 2: after the break, the ugliest man ever to become a
Speaker 2: really serious, significant singing star. For many years right after this,
Speaker 2: I told for years, if you want to live longer,
Speaker 2: watch your diet, get some exercise, keep the brain active. Now,
Speaker 2: as we make our New year resolutions, we're being told
Speaker 2: you can actually live longer if you take up a
Speaker 2: hobby that engrosses you. So, Evelyn, if you're taking up
Speaker 2: a hobby this year, what will it be.
Speaker 5: I'm going to read more and I'm going to start archery.
Speaker 2: Well that's to the point, Lucy, what are you going
Speaker 2: to take up?
Speaker 1: I'm going to stop watching Question Time and get more sleep.
Speaker 3: Sleep will be my hobby.
Speaker 2: The question that I've got to ask is is falling
Speaker 2: asleep in front of the television a hobby? Does that count? Now,
Speaker 2: before we leave you, one of the greats of country
Speaker 2: music in Australia, Chad Morgan, has died at the age
Speaker 2: of ninety one. He's one of that generation of country
Speaker 2: music stars, Slim Dusty, Smoky DAWs and Buddy Williams, those people,
Speaker 2: and he passed away very recently. He was famous as
Speaker 2: being the most unattractive looking man. His teeth, which were real,
Speaker 2: inspired the teeth of Sir Les Patterson for Barry Humphries.
Speaker 2: Have a listen to the sound of Chad Morgan.
Speaker 7: And the welthing.
Speaker 1: A may.
Speaker 2: Not high culture, but it was great fun. He had
Speaker 2: a huge popular following and he has a statue along
Speaker 2: with the other greats. It peeled straight in Tamworth, the
Speaker 2: country music capital of Australia. That's why we have time
Speaker 2: for on this edition of the Late Debate and we
Speaker 2: will do it again tomorrow night. Evelyn Wraight, thank you
Speaker 2: for yours, your time. Lucy Zellig, thank you for yours
Speaker 2: and will be here to chat with you. We'd love
Speaker 2: to have your company tomorrow night.