WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 2 January 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:05.600 Lately, Zany gentleman, Welcome to the Late Debates. 0:00:07.040 --> 0:00:09.719 Good evening, Welcome to the Late Debate. I'm kil Richards. 0:00:09.720 --> 0:00:11.959 Thanks for joining us. Nice to have your company joining 0:00:11.960 --> 0:00:15.239 me on the desk. We have Lucy Zelig and Evelyn Ray. 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:17.760 Now there are a lot of things to talk about tonight. 0:00:17.800 --> 0:00:19.840 This is an election year. Twenty twenty five is an 0:00:19.840 --> 0:00:22.799 election year and already the parties are coming up with 0:00:22.840 --> 0:00:26.120 promises and threats those in a moment. And also Scott 0:00:26.160 --> 0:00:28.680 Morrison spent a new year at mare Lago, but not 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:31.600 everyone is happy about that. But firstly, there is one 0:00:31.640 --> 0:00:33.760 story which has been dominating the news all day. You've 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:36.440 seen it leading every news bullooking, and it appears that 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:38.680 when Donald Trump comes into power in about three weeks 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:41.400 time on one of the big items on his list 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:44.159 is going to have to be tackling terrorism because of 0:00:44.200 --> 0:00:48.840 this horrific incident that has happened in New Orleans, which 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:51.040 is the way they pronounce it there, where you've had 0:00:51.040 --> 0:00:55.240 the car driving into people, fifteen people dead. This Shamsorda 0:00:55.280 --> 0:01:00.520 ding Jabbar has had a gun, he's had explosives. What's 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:02.640 happening at the He is dead, He died in the attack. 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:05.959 He was shot by police. But they're trying to work 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:07.880 out now. The FBI has trying to work out if 0:01:07.880 --> 0:01:10.200 he's part of a gang, if there is a larger 0:01:10.360 --> 0:01:13.319 terrorist cell, and the answer is they don't know at 0:01:13.319 --> 0:01:15.960 the moment. At the same time, there was another event 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:19.200 which happened in Las Vegas. Is it also a terrorist event? 0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:22.040 Is it connected? Is the question that everyone was asking. 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:25.000 In Las Vegas there was a truck, a cyber truck 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:27.960 which exploded. Appeared to be filled with cans of petrol 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:30.880 and fireworks. It went up in an amazing sort of 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:34.880 burst of flame, kill the driver. It seemed to be 0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:38.640 wired so that it would explodes. So was this meant 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:40.640 to be a terrorist attack? And if so, was it 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:44.840 coordinating with the attack in New Orleans. Many aspects of 0:01:44.840 --> 0:01:46.640 this have been discussed in the course of the day. 0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:49.240 It seems to me this one we still need to ask, 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:53.320 and that is is this unavoidable? Can we in this 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:56.920 day and age, given the level of terrorism that exists 0:01:56.920 --> 0:01:59.080 in the world around us, and the fact that Western 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:03.040 civilization appear to be the target, can we avoid it? 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:05.400 Is it preventable in some sort of way? Lucy, let 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:09.160 me start with you. Is it unavoidable that some of 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:11.760 us are going to die in terrorist attacks? Or can 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:14.080 things be done to prevent these things happening? 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:16.639 I think this is first of all, my heart goes 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:18.800 out to all of the victims involved in this. I mean, 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:21.160 we're still getting to the root cause of the situation, 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:23.560 of course, and identifying the fact that it has been 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:26.880 labeled as a terrorist attack in one instance in particular, 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:29.080 has been important to help us try and put the 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:31.079 piece of the puzzle together. I mean, we've seen such 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:35.400 a rise in attacks in fundamentalist Islamic groups now that 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:40.240 have been targeting a lot of the Western civilization, and 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:43.880 I don't know that it's unavoidable unavoidable. I think we've 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:47.079 reached a situation as difficult as it is to acknowledge, 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:51.120 where the damage has already been done, right, and so. 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:52.680 So what is the damage? What's the damage that's been 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:53.200 done so far? 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:55.560 Well, we're seeing the results of it now. All of 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:59.239 these terrorist attacks forty five thousand plus terrorist attacks across 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:01.600 Europe in the last decade have all been attributed to 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:06.200 these Lambist fundamentalist movement, right, this extreme radicalist movement that 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:09.760 has been designed to wage war on the Western world, 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:11.519 and it's terrifying. 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:13.359 Right, and I think we all rightly feel terrified. 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:16.239 My cousin actually was staying at the Trump Tower in 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:18.040 Las Vegas, so I managed to get him on air 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:18.680 today to have a. 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:19.239 Chat to him. 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:22.400 The sheer terror in his voice because he said, we 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:24.760 didn't know what it was. We were barricading the door. 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:27.000 We didn't know if it was a shooter on the loose. 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:29.320 Because of these attacks that have occurred in America so 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:32.000 frequently now, we've almost very sadly become immune to it. 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:32.320 Right. 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:34.600 But when they started to put the pieces of the 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:37.320 puzzle together, all via social media and news reports that 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:39.960 they were glued to within their room, they started to 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:42.800 realize again, you know that this is something that's very 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:44.040 concerning at the. 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:45.160 Forefront of people's minds. 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:48.920 We need to know now, Kel that in this scenario, 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:50.480 how are we dealing with this? 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:50.760 Right? 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:53.360 The best response, of course, is to show our support 0:03:53.400 --> 0:03:55.560 to everyone that's been aggrieved by it. But then you've 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:58.160 got to strip it back, right, what's to blame? Is 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:00.760 it immigration that we're steering down the barrel of that's 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:02.680 the cause of this issue. But we can't wind the 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:05.080 clock back now, and we have to think about how 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:07.960 are we handling this when we identify through our intelligence 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:13.120 agencies people that are making these observations, that are you know, 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:15.480 prioritizing their allegiance to their movement. 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:19.159 Given there are risks in the community, do the risks 0:04:19.200 --> 0:04:22.320 have to hit us, Evelyn? Or is it possibly? I mean, 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:24.960 we've been saying for years, it's a tired old cliche 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:29.040 that prevention is better than cure. Can the risk is there? 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:31.600 Can we prevent the risk turning into an attack? 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:34.640 I certainly think we can do a lot better than 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:36.599 what we have been doing thus far. 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:40.120 But like Lucy said, the bulk of. 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:42.360 The damage has been done, and so now we have 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:45.080 to as a nation and as collective nations, because let's 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:48.880 be honest, this is mostly happening in the Western. 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:52.600 World, have to We'll get statistics to you know, but. 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:54.320 That's where it's happening, the bulk of it's happening. 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:57.720 So we have to, I guess, figure out how to 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:01.560 move forward from here. You know, I've just written some 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:05.279 statistics down here. From December the twenty first to December 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:08.480 the twenty seventh this year alone, there were twenty one 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:12.400 attacks terrorist attacks in ten countries, killing one hundred and 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:15.000 fifteen people and wounding fifty eight. 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:17.159 Others, and that included one suicide blast. 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:19.960 That is literally from the twenty first of December to 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:23.440 the twenty seventh of December, where we know that's happnique, 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:25.280 we know that's happening. 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:28.040 We want to know if we can do something to prevent. 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:31.039 I mean, we've seen the Lead Cafe siege in Sydney, 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:33.440 We've seen at the end of last year, we saw 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:37.520 a fire bombing attack on a Melbourne synagogue. Do they 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:40.520 have to happen or is it possible for our police forces, 0:05:40.520 --> 0:05:43.680 our security forces? In some ways she said it kill 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:44.160 she said it. 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:46.280 The damage has already been done. Mate, it's too late, 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:46.839 it's been done. 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:47.560 You're giving up. 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:50.040 Yeah, well, no one's giving up. No one's implying that. 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:52.640 Oh yeh. I mean I think that we're. 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:54.119 Saying now, and she's about to get to a point, 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:57.200 is that we're trying to reach a consensus on how 0:05:57.200 --> 0:05:58.280 do we manage this now. 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:02.159 The thing is you cannot You are a disease if 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:04.960 you do not diagnose it correctly. We could be trying 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:08.560 to fix our elbow when it's our knee that needs fixing. 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:10.840 And so the reason why we need to we need 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:14.040 to firstly acknowledge that the damage has been done and we. 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:15.320 Need to ask questions why. 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:17.640 One so that we can start fixing it, and two 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:19.960 so we don't make the same mistakes again and our 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:22.840 poor babies and our children and their children don't have 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:25.400 to suffer. So the first thing we have to do 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:28.359 is diagnose it, and that is I believe the number 0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:31.839 one cause for terrorism and these sorts of things is immigration. 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:36.120 And I you know, I do not care anymore if 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:38.920 I'm called a racist, because somebody has to have this 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:40.280 good time to say it. 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:41.080 It's exactly. 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:43.839 And the second thing that I think we need to 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:46.400 do is we need to start making it very difficult 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:48.440 for people to do this. And how we do that 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:52.760 is old school, and you punish for the crime, and 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:54.760 I'm sorry, it is eye for an eye. If people 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:57.080 want to come into your nation and they want to 0:06:57.160 --> 0:07:00.279 kill your citizens, death penalty. 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:01.760 I think that's one of the only things. 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:03.720 That will work because people will go, you know what, 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:05.440 I can do that because I can get away with 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:06.840 it a lifetime in prisons. 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:10.360 How is the threat how is the threat of a 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:13.880 death penalty going to stop a suicide bomber for usends 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:17.080 to die. That's his plan. He always expected to stop. 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:21.360 Stop young kids being indoctrinated. It stops extremism happening, It 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:23.000 nives it in the bud very early on. 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:25.600 Can we in public places do things. Do we need 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:28.760 now to change our society so that there are bollards, 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:32.800 there are physical obstructions to this kind of attack happening. 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:34.720 Do we change the way we live? 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:36.560 I mean, we've seen that, but I think vastly now 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:37.760 people have changed. 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:38.040 The way they live. 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:40.720 Unfortunately, when you go to these large scale events, I mean, 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:42.760 I was just thanking God that everything went well over 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:46.720 for us here, for us here in Australia, because you 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:49.440 do have this sense of trepidation, particularly with the heightened 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:52.280 temperature now regarding the conflict and everything occurring in the 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:54.840 Middle East, so everyone does already feel on edge. 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:55.120 Kel. 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:58.160 I mean, I subscribe to what you know V saying 0:07:58.160 --> 0:08:00.320 in all of this, and I agree that we need. 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:01.800 To have harsher penalties, right. 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:04.360 We need to make it clear that if intelligence agencies 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:07.600 are getting to the bottom of some type of operational 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:10.200 people who are swearing their allegiances to their country, their cause, 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:13.400 and their movement in our own country. I don't want 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:15.400 them housed in our jols, get them out of here, 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:17.520 to port them back to where they came from. And 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:20.960 again that's not racist, that's protecting our own national and industry. 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:23.280 Well, let me take up the point that the Australian 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:27.120 intelligence community has told us that they have prevented more 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:31.000 than thirty terrorist attacks in Australia by having good intelligence. 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:35.360 They monitored the texts being exchanged between people, the emails 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:39.679 being exchanged, the encrypted messages, and they managed to detect 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:42.320 plans stop them before they came into action. There are 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:45.480 people serving time in prisons in Australia who've been convicted 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:49.600 of planning terrorist offenses. So is the law and enforcement 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:53.079 part of our society, the intelligence part of our society 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:56.040 capable of reducing the possibility of this happening. 0:08:56.640 --> 0:08:57.400 I think that they are. 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:00.760 But unfortunately I think that, you know, one of the 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:05.000 biggest downfalls of all of this is the mainstream media 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:09.920 and the government, because what they've done is have pushed propaganda. 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:14.559 They've not allowed correct journalism, they've not. 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:15.120 Not used the correct language. 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:17.960 It has an effect. 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:23.320 Does the police hierarchy listen to these things and they're cautious. 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:28.400 I remember a time in the Middle East into Asian 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:30.760 and I remember being on the police radio going, am 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:34.040 I looking from someone from you know, like a Chinese 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:37.400 country or Japanese like the police force? 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:39.359 What hell do we have in society? 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:42.920 I'm telling you like it starts here by having honest 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:45.319 conversations about the elephant in the room that will filter 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:46.240 into Lauren Foston. 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:47.880 Law enforcement shouldn't be. 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:50.640 Affected by these things, but sadly the reality is that 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:53.160 they are, and so we need to have the mainstream 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:55.760 media held to account, the government held to account, and 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:57.680 people like you and me at home need to just 0:09:57.720 --> 0:09:59.640 start calling a spade a spade. 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:03.720 Well, can I say that your conversation has not cheered 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:06.760 me up enormously? So let's hope the twenty twenty five 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:09.719 turns out to be a good year because our intelligence 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:13.000 services are doing an extremely good job. Now it is 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:16.400 going to be an election year and already the promises 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:18.560 are coming, the threats are coming. One of the things 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:21.080 that's come out from the Coalition is the suggestion that 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:26.040 there could be ten thousand Australian businesses go bankrupt before 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:29.440 the Parliament sits next They're warning they put an exact 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:33.200 number on it. Ten two hundred businesses may go bankrupt 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:35.840 between last December and the coming June, which is when 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:39.400 the next parliament will sit. In fact, if you have 0:10:39.440 --> 0:10:43.160 a look at this graph, it shows you business insolvencies 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:46.400 over a period of time. The red bars are when 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:50.480 there were labor governments. The blue bars shows when there 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:54.400 were coalition governments liberal National Party governments. By and large, 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:57.360 the liberal bars are a bit lower, and the bad 0:10:57.440 --> 0:11:01.720 news the business is going broke, usually small businesses, small 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:06.080 family businesses that then economically cripple that family they've tended 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:10.680 to fall apart under labor governments. Is this warning the 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:13.280 kind of warning that will change votes? Do you think, Lucy? 0:11:13.960 --> 0:11:16.920 Look I personally, when it comes to what's going to 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:20.320 decide this election this year, I genuinely think it's effectively 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:23.280 a referendum on energy, to be honest. So you know, 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:25.520 if you are someone that subscribes very heavily to the 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:29.040 renewables path, regardless of how terribly Albo was done and 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:31.960 how much he's driven this country into the ground, regardless 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:34.760 of these types of statistics that we're showing everybody, I 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:36.959 think that's the way that you're going to tend to 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:40.120 vote if you support nuclear, if you support a change 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:42.400 in government, if you recognize that we're not better off 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:45.040 now than what we were in the last three and 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:47.319 a bit years, then you're going to vote for Dunton. 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:47.640 Right. 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:49.880 So if it's going to be energy, I mean James 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:52.480 Clavell wrote that famous line for Bill Clinton years ago. 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:56.480 It's the economy, stupid. We've got an economy clearly struggling. 0:11:56.640 --> 0:11:58.240 You're saying that's not going to count this time. 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:00.400 Look, I don't know. This is the thing. 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:03.680 If you are a staunch renewable supporter, I don't think 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:07.719 the economy is going to be enough. 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:08.840 What do you think of it? 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:12.080 It's not the ideological BS is going to win. 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:13.280 Trust me, it. 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:17.400 Will as in for the voter, So the voter it 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:18.760 will win in their mod. 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:19.080 Yes, I do. 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:21.520 I think that those voters are not going to change. 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:25.120 I agree regardless of whatever this says. But I do 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:28.800 think which is encouraging is that hopefully majority of the 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:32.680 strains and seeing the result of like the Voice referendum, gives. 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:34.200 Me hope that there are normal people at. 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:37.600 Their majority of people, and this affects normal people, not 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:41.079 those ideologically fueled extremist people. 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:41.800 Who care about that. 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:47.680 Even ideologically fuel people sooner or later get by reality bites. 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:51.120 When suddenly life is costing you so much social then 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:53.680 you have to say, no, no, there's something wrong here. 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:54.640 I need to change. 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:57.520 Have you met people on the list right? 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:00.600 And look, there are a lot of very ballad and 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:03.000 common sensical people on the left. But I also think 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:05.640 that the pendulum has swung very far and we've become 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:08.319 a nation also of extremists when it comes to. 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:11.480 Our Polivia also very socialist, and the way that we 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:14.840 have like a very nanny state, very you know, daddy 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:18.720 government type thing is and we've even saw it through COVID, 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:20.800 you know, like our government is so used to fishing 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:24.320 people out of problems that I think these people honestly 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:27.400 in their mind believe that they will be okay in 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:30.439 the end because the government will save them. That's the problem, 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:34.000 thankfully with this, especially with small businesses. These are the 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:36.880 things that normal Australians really care about. 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:39.640 Anthony Albernezi agrees with you because that's the line that 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:43.720 he's pushing. He's saying, ignore the economy, ignoring it else 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:46.160 that's going on. We will take care of you. He's 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:50.320 making health front and center. He's talking about increasing the 0:13:50.360 --> 0:13:54.280 co payment for bulk billing, for changing the way possibly 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:56.839 doctors are employed. He's making bulk billing at the center 0:13:56.880 --> 0:14:00.320 of Labour's election pitch and their attack on Dutton. They've 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:04.920 already talked about re energizing the medi scare. But even 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:06.520 if they don't do that, the things they are going 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:10.120 to be promising. They're talking about taking doctors off fees 0:14:10.200 --> 0:14:12.840 for appointments and onto a yearly lump sum, which would 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:16.840 make doctors effectively employers of employees of the government. But 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:19.600 if what you say is true, that all the people 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:21.880 who think yes, the government should run everything would be 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:22.520 very happy. 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:26.240 Oh yeah, they would, right, because they subscribe to that communist. 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:27.320 Style ideology as well. 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:30.960 You know, I just I think that again laborer clutching 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:33.320 and they're really desperate. They're in a situation now. I mean, 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:35.520 if you believe the polls, to be quite honest, I 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:37.640 don't give too much weight and credence to polls anymore. 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:40.160 We've seen how that's played out in the US multiple times, 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:42.920 and it's never been an accurate depiction of what happens 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:44.040 at the actual vote. 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:46.640 The big dance. So when it comes to. 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:49.440 This, I think that they are desperately looking for a 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:51.480 way to appeal to the Australian public. 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:53.080 They know that genuinely now. 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:56.440 Per capita in this country, we are in a recession, right, 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:57.480 so they know that. 0:14:57.560 --> 0:15:01.000 But you're saying, if you're sufficiently ideal logical, being in 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:03.520 a recession, everything costing you more when you go to 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:06.080 the supermarket doesn't matter. Is that the case? Evilent? 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:08.800 So it is, you think, so, yes it is, And 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:11.880 that's that's this is why it is so important for 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:14.320 us to win the hearts and souls and minds of 0:15:14.320 --> 0:15:17.080 the younger generations, because that's. 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:20.280 Where these this is where these sorts of people are. 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:24.080 Birth from being indoctrinate in these Marxist ideologies in school, 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:27.400 where they truly believe that, you know, daddy, government will 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:30.760 be the Messiah and will save them from this. They 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:32.840 haven't worked a hard day in their life. They're too 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:36.640 busy gluing themselves to sidewalks. They don't understand responsible. 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:39.320 That's not many people, I mean, that's a tiny. 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:43.480 We're talking about here, you know, talking about the average 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:45.720 is Stralian. We're talking about the people who will, regardless 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:47.560 of all of these things still be voting. 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:49.800 That way, but in the end the election is not 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:56.160 decided by then the election is decided by and everything 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:59.040 is costing more. We're told that cars are going to 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:02.720 cost more than twenty two five because of the government's policy. 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:05.960 The leader of the Nationals, David Littelbrad was saying exactly 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:08.360 that today, and Lucy, you spoke to him on your program. 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:10.160 I had the chance to speak to him because I 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:12.480 wanted to hear his views on the issue. Of course, 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:16.200 it's I think it's a ridiculous scheme again, labor taxing more. 0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:19.560 The price of these cars are effectively going to go 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:21.480 through the roof, and some of the most popular cars 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:24.320 that Australian families have come to love and really rely on, 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:26.880 particularly those with big families, will find themselves in a 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:29.640 scenario where they're going to be out of pocket a further. 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:31.280 Two three thousand dollars. 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:33.800 So I liked what he had to say on this subject, 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:36.520 and I'd love everyone to take a bit of a listen. 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:41.560 So manufacturers are moving towards reducing their emissions, but they 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:44.440 need time and technology to catch up. But Anthony Alberanezi 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:47.120 hasn't worried about that he's simply expecting us all to 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:50.960 buy evs and for some that should be about choice. 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:53.000 And I have no issues with EV's, but you should 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:53.920 have a choice. 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:58.840 This inherent push from Anthony Albanesi also to go down 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:03.360 this electric vehicles half the rebates that he's attached to 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:05.320 it as well, to try and make it more tempting 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:07.480 in this bid to cut missions. I mean, do you 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:09.960 think that the struggling family for really give a darn 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:12.879 about climate change when they can't put food on the table, 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:15.280 when they're struggling to put petrol in their tanks. 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:18.199 That's the point I was making in the beginning. The 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:22.000 point is that reality in the end bites, and reality 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:24.800 in the end has an impact on people like trust. 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:28.680 I think you are a sensible ideological people. They're the 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:30.679 ones I'm talking about. They're not going to be swayed. 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:32.800 There are five of them, and they meet it in 0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:35.960 the Young Labor Club. But they don't do you think 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:39.240 used to decide elections? And in fact, the one thing 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:40.840 that I think might have a big bite in the 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:45.360 election is what's happened with mortgages, because mortgage pain has 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:49.000 already hit. This is the actual payments that people have 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:51.919 had to make to keep up with their mortgages. Twelve 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:54.960 increase rates in a row interest rates in a row 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:58.679 mortgage interests bill up an extra twenty six thousand to 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:01.960 fifty thousand for the average home since twenty twenty two. 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:05.840 I hear what you're saying about ideology, but that reality 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:08.480 that we can see on the screen, Evelyn, surely that 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:10.919 in the end says to people, this is what you 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:13.679 do with the pencil in the privacy of the voting booth. 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:18.159 Absolutely, and that's I think we were all saying, you know, 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:21.360 exactly the same thing at the beginning, is that at 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:26.920 the moment, Australians are feeling it really tough. Everyday Australians 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:31.240 are struggling to pay electricity, to pay for mortgages, pay 0:18:31.280 --> 0:18:33.960 for rent, pay for childcare, education. 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:35.280 These are really tough. 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:38.199 So this is going to really speak volumes in the 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:42.040 next election. I just hope and pray that people don't 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:44.280 believe the same gullible lies and forall for the same 0:18:44.400 --> 0:18:45.640 four years like they did. 0:18:45.840 --> 0:18:48.720 But you're right, this stuff really does matter. 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:51.520 I mean, if you look at mortgages, the amount of 0:18:51.520 --> 0:18:54.000