WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 19 November 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:05.199 From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray, Live. 0:00:06.440 --> 0:00:06.600 Good. 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:10.120 I'm Paul Murray. Welcome to an opinion show where mine 0:00:10.200 --> 0:00:12.360 is the opinion, but we follow the data, we follow 0:00:12.400 --> 0:00:14.960 the details, and what an extraordinary piece of television you 0:00:15.120 --> 0:00:17.479 have just watched. Congratulations to Chris Yulman all of the 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:21.279 team behind the scenes who put that together. Because for 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:24.840 many of us, the reality is that we know that 0:00:24.920 --> 0:00:26.840 there are many forks in the road when it comes 0:00:26.920 --> 0:00:29.680 to our energy system. But to see it all in 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:32.360 one place at one time, explaining what some of the 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:37.880 financial or environmental consequences are when we choose one path 0:00:38.080 --> 0:00:43.440 over another, when other parts which are being reused in 0:00:43.479 --> 0:00:47.400 other parts of the world but ignored here is a 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:50.760 perfect way of looking at things. In many ways, I 0:00:50.800 --> 0:00:52.400 believe that the past hour that you've just seen here 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:54.240 on Sky News should of course be seen by as 0:00:54.240 --> 0:00:57.720 many Australians as possible. That is why the documentary that 0:00:57.760 --> 0:00:59.959 you have just seen is up now at sky News 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:04.280 dot Au, skynews dot com dot Au, the lead story, 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:09.440 the top spread that documentary as far as you possibly can. 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:15.039 Chris Yulman, as a reporter, is right up there. This 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:17.560 is something that he has been desperate to tell as 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:21.240 a story for a long time, to have the time 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:25.200 to tell the story, because it can be complicated. But 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:28.119 because of his skill and the skill of the people 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:30.000 who just put together the hour of television that you 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:33.200 just watched, you're able to see it in bite sized chunks, 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:35.680 You're able to see it as a full piece of work, 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:39.800 and you're able to see things explained, including I just 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:41.640 want to go back over a couple of points. They're 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:44.200 going to sit with me when I look forward to 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:48.200 sharing this documentary with the people in my life. It's 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:50.720 not about trying to push people towards one form of 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:54.320 technology or the other. It's about the reality that the 0:01:54.360 --> 0:02:00.480 cost of transition has always been the central question question 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:04.559 that we have never really been asked. We've been asked 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:08.919 about whether we should transition, but to be truly aware 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:11.519 of what the cost of it really matters. Now again, 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:14.480 the national energy greed is complicated. My apologies to the 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:17.360 people in Western Australia who have their own system and 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:21.000 are not befuddled by what is taking place on the 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:25.600 East Coast of Australia as well as South Australia. But 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:28.440 Chris explains that one of the central things that we 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:31.760 constantly are told, which is renewables is the cheapest form 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:35.000 of electricity. The problem is if they were the only 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:38.919 form of electricity, well then maybe that ends up being true, 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:41.120 but that's after the billions have been spent, in fact, 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:43.600 close to a trillion dollars to build all of it 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:46.040 and to have the batteries that back it up till 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:48.880 then there has to be stuff that works at night, 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:51.840 or stuff that works when the weather does not assist 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:56.440 other forms of renewable energy. Thankfully, through the power of 0:02:56.480 --> 0:02:59.680 television graphics, he was able to explain how this works, 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:07.120 where every part of our electricity grid helps define what 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:10.160 every other part of it costs. I'll let him explain 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:11.000 better than I just did. 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:16.120 In this high stakes game, the lowest cost generator bids 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:20.800 first to meet demand. Other generators follow in cost order 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:26.000 as the stack feels. But if the last megawatt needed 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:29.679 for supply to match demand is three hundred dollars, then 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:33.720 that's what every single player in this game gets paid. 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:39.600 Let's underline this fact. It's the highest cost of generation 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:42.960 that sets the price of power, which is why this 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:45.600 slogan is so deeply misleading. 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:49.520 Renewable energy is incredibly cheap because its fuel is free 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:51.800 because it's the sunshine and the wind. 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:56.400 But plugging the generation gaps they leave to build a 0:03:56.480 --> 0:04:01.320 reliable electricity system is proving remand akably expensive. 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:06.320 That is the cost of transition. All those that are 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:08.080 for a long time said this is the only option, 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:09.640 it's the only option that we need to do to 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:13.240 save the planet. Firstly, Australia is one percent of global emissions, 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:16.760 China thirty three percent. To move from the system that 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:20.279 they want to move away from, mainly coal, to the 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:23.080 full renewable system, well, of course it's going to cost 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:28.359 hundreds of billions of dollars. It also requires huge swathes 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:33.039 of regional Australia to be changed forever. Another perfect example 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:35.640 excellently explained. 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:39.559 In the documentary The endgame here is to achieve net zero. 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:44.200 Push and roads and clearing forests and fragmenting forests is 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:47.520 an oxymoron towards that goal of trying to achieve net zero, 0:04:47.960 --> 0:04:49.839 because the first thing we need to be doing is 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:50.919 keeping trees in the ground. 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:54.559 Stephen has used his training as a cartographer to map 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:57.280 the number of wind and solar farms that will need 0:04:57.320 --> 0:05:00.560 to be built on the national electricity market to hit 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:05.720 the government targets stretching from far North Queensland, through New 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:12.480 South Wales, Victoria west to Port Lincoln in South Australia 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:17.200 and across the Bass Strait to Tasmania. 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:20.640 Now, every time I've made this point in the past, 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:23.680 it's thrown into some sort of being of climate denialism 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:26.200 for those that are half paying attention, or maybe watching 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:28.800 us for the first time, or maybe checking backing with 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:30.760 me for the first time in a while. I am 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:34.159 in no denial that seven billion people on the planet, 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:38.040 multiple industrial revolutions, is going to do something quite substantial 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:40.880 to the natural environment. There's no question about it. More 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:43.159 people who need to be fed than ever before, house 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:46.200 than ever before, kept warm or cool than ever before, 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:52.480 no question. But Australia is one percent of the world's problem. China, 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:55.400 under the Paris Agreement, is able to continue to pollute 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:59.839 at an increased level until whatever they want until twenty third, 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:04.280 meaning the chances of them polluting even more between now 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:09.120 and twenty thirty is almost certain. While between now and 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:12.040 twenty thirty is when we're going to be cutting down 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:16.400 trees to replace them with wind farms. As a way 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:21.480 of finding a different way of electrifying our grid. We're 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:23.680 going to need more power than even what the current 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:27.240 amount of power produced by things like coal and gas 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:31.279 will actually do. Why because we want to electrify everything. 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:34.640 You may have heard conversations about kitchen stoves, the push 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:37.440 towards electric vehicles. Well, all of those things, of course 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:41.640 need to be powered, meaning the current grid is not 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:43.479 big enough. In fact, we'd have to grow it by 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:47.200 up to four times to potentially have one big enough 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:50.080 and good enough and reliable enough to actually keep the 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:52.719 lights on, keep the cars charged, and to keep the 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:56.960 water boiling. Another quick little one here too, which is 0:06:57.080 --> 0:07:01.320 when Chris Human explains about solar arms. Now again, I 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:04.800 am not against any of this technology, but the reality 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:08.640 is you need so much of it in a continent 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:12.160 the size of Australia, as opposed to a postage stamp 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:14.480 in a part of Europe that can throw the extension 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:18.760 cord over to another country, or a state in the 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:21.520 United States that can throw an extension cord over to 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:24.080 the next state in the United States, which has, among 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:28.440 other things, nuclear power as a key part of the technology. 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:33.760 So Australia is trying to swing for the fences, but 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:35.680 it's going to have to end up building a fence 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:38.080 that's four times higher than it currently is in order 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:41.280 to actually have the amount of electricity required for a 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:45.800 population that of course will exponentially grow. Remember the expectations 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:48.440 are that this country could get to fifty million people 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:51.560 by the year of twenty sixty. So not only do 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:53.800 you have to replace what was, you need to build 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:56.600 what is, and you need to prepare for what will be. 0:07:57.640 --> 0:08:01.880 Again Chris Human explaining about solifi arms and why when 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:05.080 they work, they're very good, but when they don't, it 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:06.760 is a big hole in the market. 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:12.720 This solar farm sits on fifty hectares, It has eighty 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:16.600 two thousand solar panels, and at peak generation will deliver 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:19.000 twenty four megawats, and that would be on a day 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:21.600 like today, a bright sunny day in the middle of 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:24.720 the day. But tonight the sun will go down and. 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:28.120 It will deliver zero And across the course of a 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:32.680 year you'll get thirty percent of its plated capacity, or 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:34.920 a little over seven megawatts. 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:38.480 And that's the issue with this kind of generation. By 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:42.280 its nature, it is off or often than it's on. 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:47.199 It's the point, now I get why when people who 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:49.640 don't have to live with the consequences of either they're 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:54.360 parts of Australia changing. You don't see many parks or 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:58.560 doggie parks in built up areas of the cities being changed. 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:00.680 In fact, if you wanted to put one win anywhere 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:04.160 near a teal electric you know what the response would be. 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:07.840 So it's all pushed out into regional Australia, largely punished 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:13.000 because they don't vote green or labor. But more importantly, 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:16.920 as you hear the reality is that the mere size 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:19.920 of some of these things, but they don't work twenty 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:23.439 four to seven. And remember everything that gets produced by 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:27.040 renewable energy has to be stored somewhere, meaning batteries, and 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:29.520 they have not developed the batteries that would be able 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:34.040 to store enough of the energy for long enough for 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:36.040 you to be able to use things through the night. Instead, 0:09:36.080 --> 0:09:37.240 you have to have lots and lots and lots and 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:38.640 lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:41.679 lots of batteries. Perhaps if the government wants to be 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:43.440 honest and say, look, what we'd really love is you 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:46.080 to be totally self sufficient. Something on your roof, something 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:47.880 in your garage, and that's it. You're not part of 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:52.280 the grid. Okay, But what about for manufacturing. But of course, 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:55.439 the central concern that I have had, no matter what 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:58.120 names I have been called or what fingers have been 0:09:58.160 --> 0:10:02.920 pointed as people see to dismiss the conversation of the 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:05.720 true cost of net zero or the cost of transition, 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:10.000 has been the people who suffer because their bills have 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:15.280 gone up. Their bills have gone up because there is 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:17.880 all of this stuff that needs to be built. It 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:19.760 will either be paid for by the government or it 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:22.640 will be paid for by the private companies. The private companies, 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:24.480 of course, will just pass it on to the customer. 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:27.400 And when you're a customer who's on the pension, this 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:28.440 is what happens. 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:35.480 This is what I call a payday killer. It's come 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:39.319 in at one thousand and seventy three dollars and thirty 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:40.360 one cents. 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:42.880 My pay, which is the pay of. 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:46.960 Most age pensioners, is around one thousand, one hundred and 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:51.160 forty four dollars. This leaves me after I pay this bill, 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:54.199 seventy one dollars and nine cents. 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:59.079 It was a spectacular piece of journalism. It was an 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:02.240 important video for you to see and again congratulations to 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:03.960 Chris Woman and everyone who put it together. It is 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:07.320 up now. It's skynews dot com dot AU. If you 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:09.559 haven't already, there's a way to subscribe. It'll cost you 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:14.079 just five dollars. Skynews dot com dot A U spread 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:16.400 the word and spread that dot go. It was sensational 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:18.880 to the rest of the day's news. Now, and of 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:20.400 course this is an opinion show, as you will have 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:22.360 known by now. I have a strong opinion. I just 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:24.760 don't want to shock people thinking we've gone from the 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:27.319 straight documentary right into the deep end. But here we are, 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:30.040 so let's get on with this. There is a plan 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:32.040 for the federal government to censor the Internet. Sure, they 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:35.000 talk about misinformation, but the plan is to censor the Internet. 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:37.600 The government to decide what is and is not true, 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:39.160 what you can and cannot post. 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:39.880 Now. 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:42.160 Of course they won't go after you. They will just 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:45.080 make it effectively impossible for a social media company to 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:49.720 keep posting from places where the government does not like. Essentially, 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:51.840 think of this as a sort of toddler pester power 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:56.120 idea to affect your capacity to read, see, and hear 0:11:56.160 --> 0:11:59.679 things that the government does not approve. And remember there 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:01.520 is a certain side of politics which has used the 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:06.120 word misinformation when they are winging when Australians don't vote 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:08.679 the way that they want to. For example, when they 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:10.599 went from sixty forty yes to sixty to forty no. 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:11.760 In the voice. 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:15.959 Misinformation, misinformation, misinformation, the. 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:18.600 Misinformation which is there so misinformation. 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:21.960 So last year they came up with a complicated piece 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:25.880 of legislation. It was opposed by everyone from the major 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:28.920 television networks through to the ABC, from the Human Rights 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:32.120 Commission through to the churches. This thing is very hard 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:35.959 to find a friend anywhere because most people, in their 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:39.000 analysis of this, believe the definition of truth is one 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:41.080 that shouldn't be held by government. It should be one 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:46.080 that is openly contested, not versions of the truth, not 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:48.840 lies that people pretend are the truth. But as we know, 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:53.559 there are those who used to say certain things about 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:58.079 the planet, certain things about geography. But of course only 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:00.240 once you're able to go and find where of the 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:05.040 information are you able to actually learn new truths. Now, 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:07.319 the federal government last year tried to put this in place. 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:09.280 They weren't able to get the votes, so they pulled 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:11.840 the bill. They came back this year and This week 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:14.640 in the Senate is when the matters will be decided. 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:17.800 If not this week, then definitely next week. Well, we 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:19.800 have been following the mats and I am pleased to 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:23.600 tell you that at this moment, if everyone holds the line, 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:26.400 there will be no ability for the Government and the 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:30.120 Greens to get together to censor the Internet. David van 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:33.120 is a former Liberal Party senator. We know that through 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:36.080 scandal he made his way towards the cross bench, which 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:38.160 now means he's free to vote whichever way he wishes. 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:40.880 But on this one it will be no. 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:47.520 This bill as it currently stands has significant flaws that 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:49.280 I will not be supporting. 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:53.120 Now, what does this matter, because the maths is all 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:55.600 that ever matters in politics. How many seats that you 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:58.080 win by what margin does not matter. It's just how 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:00.160 many seats that you win, and in the case of 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:03.120 the Senate, how many seats that you have. You need 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:06.040 thirty nine seats to get a majority, ie to get 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:09.920 something past. If it's thirty eight each, then the President 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:12.480 of the Senate, which comes from the governing party, would 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:15.680 make a casting vote. So for thirty nine votes, that 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:19.600 is what Labor and the Greens together want However, they 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:22.160 only get to thirty six. There's a total of ten 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:25.680 people who sit on the cross bench, ranging from Ralph 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:29.640 Babbott as the United Australian Party, One Nation, Jackie Lamby, 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:32.720 the former Jackie lamby a multiplicity of people who have 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:37.240 left the parties for which they were elected. Tonight, the 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:39.480 number of cross benches who are going to be voting 0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:44.840 no is nine, meaning that there is no way right 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:48.000 now that they are going to get to thirty nine. 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:51.720 Will they have a final vote to determine no and 0:14:51.760 --> 0:14:54.400 put this bad idea to bed, or will they pull 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:57.200 the bill for a second time. I'm talking about it 0:14:57.240 --> 0:15:01.400 every night because it matters. Free. An open society that 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:04.320 is able to get its information from as many sources 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:09.120 as possible, including sources that are willing to truly challenge power, 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:13.760 is the sign of a free society. Government telling you 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:17.080 an adult what you can and can't see, but more importantly, 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:21.120 what you can and can't post, is not a free society. 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:23.960 So thank you David Van and many others on the 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:26.520 cross bench who are holding the line. The one person 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:29.440 we have not heard from yet Lydia Thorpe. But even 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:32.480 if she supports it, there still won't be enough votes 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:36.360 fingers crossed, the vote takes place, the bill dies, and 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:40.240 the idea of censoring the Internet is put in the bid. 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:45.880 When it comes to lots of different issues, there is 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:48.040 one thing that they all have in common. Every state 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:50.080 in the country, regardless whether you have a new government, 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:52.680 an old government, a liberal government, or a labor government, 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:55.920 ramping is a massive issue. It means that when you 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:57.680 call triple O, you may or may not get an 0:15:57.680 --> 0:15:59.800 ambulance on time. Why because they may or may not 0:15:59.840 --> 0:16:03.120 be waiting in a Quean hospital. Why because there may 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:04.720 or may not be a bed for the person who's 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:06.320 in the back of the ambulance, Meaning that when you 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:10.560 call trip below sometimes it can be a deadly scenario 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:15.960 where one is not turning up. For families, the number 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:17.800 of people they have to compete with to hold on 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:21.000 to a rental property is more than ever before, firstly 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:24.320 because there's more people here than ever before. Secondly because 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:28.040 there's fewer rental properties around than ever before, which means 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:30.400 of course that many people are starting now to live 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:33.720 on the fringes. And despite the fact that they earn money, 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:37.080 despite the fact that they should be in a home, 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:39.800 they are not the place they call home is a 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:43.720 tent and as I've spoken about almost every night for 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:45.480 the past couple of years, but we speak about it 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:47.880 with regularity because I know you care about it. No 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:49.680 matter what the rest of the media thinks. Is the 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:52.240 story of the day. It is the question of immigration 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:55.560 now for those who are again maybe joining us for 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:59.720 the first time because of the documentary. When I talk 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:01.880 about it immigration, I do not care from whence people come. 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:03.680 I do not care from what language they speak, and 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:06.040 I do not care what God they believe in. I 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:09.280 believe that, regardless of where you come from in the world, 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:14.200 that you should unite around sensible principles and central principles 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:17.960 of this country. One where there is a freedom of expression, 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:22.320 one where there is a fundamental respect for all genders, 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:26.119 where there is the capacity for people to marry a 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:29.879 person of their same sex, for someone to be able 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:32.760 to follow a religion or not have a religion at all, 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:35.919 and most importantly, for the law of the land to 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:41.399 be the ultimate authority of behavior. But that's not what 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:43.600 I talk about when I talk about immigration on this program. 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:46.440 It's not about the cultural mix or the cultural changes. 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:49.600 Others can talk about that. The point is that Australia 0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:52.320 has twenty seven million people right now, but we do 0:17:52.359 --> 0:17:56.479 not have the infrastructure that can handle twenty seven million people. 0:17:57.160 --> 0:18:00.199 For example, is there places to live or there are 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:03.520 enough ambulances, let alone places in schools and all the 0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:06.199 rest of it. Well, new report confirms what we have 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:09.040 known all along. The majority of Australians think that this 0:18:09.080 --> 0:18:11.720 government has brought too many people into the country too quickly. 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:15.399 In fact, according to this report, almost half of Australians 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:19.439 believe that migration is too high. Of the more than 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:22.760 eight thousand people who were surveyed, forty nine percent believed 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:25.000 that immigration levels were too high. Now, this is a 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:29.080 major change from just last year when thirty three people 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:31.639 agreed with the view that there was too much immigration. 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:34.000 To give you an idea of how this has changed 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:36.400 over time, have a look at this now again from 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:39.239 this group that did the survey. The blue line is 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:42.080 the number of people who think that migration is too high. 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:44.879 The last time that more people thought that it was 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:48.400 too high than about right, you have to go back 0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:52.520 to two thousand and eighteen. You can see the changes 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:56.520 post pandemic at twenty four percent thirty three percent in 0:18:56.600 --> 0:19:01.320 twenty twenty three and now forty nine percent. Fifty one 0:19:01.320 --> 0:19:04.800 percent of people last year thought that we were about right. Now, 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:06.800 after more than a million people have come in under 0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:10.719 the Albenze government's watch, the about right number has fallen 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:15.400 to forty twenty two percent of people two years ago 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:17.879 said that we had too few people come into the country. 0:19:17.920 --> 0:19:22.280 That is now just nine percent. But despite the fact 0:19:22.320 --> 0:19:26.159 that the majority of Australians, while completely understanding that we 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:28.840 are a country of migrants, want to pump the brakes 0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:31.160 about the number of people who are being brought in 0:19:31.200 --> 0:19:34.000 to add to a multiplicity of problems that this government 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:36.800 is not willing to fix. What do you think the 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:41.080 government asked itself today in question time? Well, nothing about that, 0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:41.600 of course. 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:46.119 My question is to the minister representing the Minister for Women. 0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:49.720 How are the Albanesi Labour Government's policies and reforms helping 0:19:49.760 --> 0:19:52.920 to close the gender pay gap and supporting women's economic 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:54.320 security and equality. 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:56.959 My question is to the Minister for Industry and Science. 0:19:57.560 --> 0:20:01.080 Why is today's announcement of the first investments for the 0:20:01.200 --> 0:20:07.119 National Reconstruction Fund for Australian manufacturing and Australian jobs so important? 0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:12.040 And what risks are there to the future of these jobs. 0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:15.520 My question is to the Treasurer why is decent pay 0:20:15.640 --> 0:20:18.440 such an important part of the alban Easy Labor government's 0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:21.640 efforts to help ease cost of living pressures. How does 0:20:21.680 --> 0:20:24.600 this approach differ from what has failed in the past. 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:28.879 My question is to the Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry, 0:20:29.200 --> 0:20:32.920 how is the alban Ezi labor government strengthening our international 0:20:32.960 --> 0:20:35.960 trade relationships to benefit Australian farmers. 0:20:37.400 --> 0:20:38.800 Not to mention, of course, in fact that as we 0:20:38.840 --> 0:20:42.679 told you last night, three million people, three million people 0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:47.440 are close to homelessness. The Reserve Bank today has turned 0:20:47.440 --> 0:20:49.440 around and said that you can forget about the idea 0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:51.360 of an early interest rate cut. Most likely the first 0:20:51.400 --> 0:20:53.080 one will be in May, right on top of the 0:20:53.119 --> 0:20:57.240 federal election. My view is that even one reduction interustrates 0:20:57.280 --> 0:20:59.920 is not going to make people forget the twelve increases 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:04.119 that have happened under this government, which is why the 0:21:04.160 --> 0:21:07.199 Prime Minister needs to get back here. I get it. 0:21:07.240 --> 0:21:10.280 He's a global leader and it's very important to hold 0:21:10.280 --> 0:21:13.359 hands with a lame duck president or Justin Trudeau on 0:21:13.400 --> 0:21:15.959 his way out the door. As the Canadian Prime Minister. 0:21:16.600 --> 0:21:18.480 But of course he was there holding hands with the 0:21:18.560 --> 0:21:23.480 Chinese today, the handsome boy and the puppet master, saying 0:21:23.480 --> 0:21:25.760 that Australia was a perfect example of the way that 0:21:26.600 --> 0:21:28.840 nations should deal with China, which of course in the 0:21:28.840 --> 0:21:31.320 Albanese lang, which just means sit back and take it. 0:21:31.840 --> 0:21:33.679 But of course, something that's been hurting the Prime Minister 0:21:33.720 --> 0:21:37.320 has been this attitude and this idea that basically life's 0:21:37.320 --> 0:21:39.679 pretty good for this bloke, so much so that he 0:21:39.760 --> 0:21:45.600 even asks for upgrades when he's flying family trips. Upgrade 0:21:45.640 --> 0:21:48.560 albow is starting to hurt him. I say this because 0:21:48.600 --> 0:21:52.560 there was an opinion poll where the headline was all 0:21:52.600 --> 0:21:56.159 about Quantis, all about Quantus and Quantus getting preferential treatment, 0:21:56.160 --> 0:21:59.280