1 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: From the Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Christian Amiot. 2 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: It's Thursday, October thirty one. The Prime Minister is denying 3 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: having called Alan Joyce to request flight upgrades, as pressure 4 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: mounts on Anthony Albanesi to refer himself to the National 5 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: Anti Corruption Commission over allegations he benefited from a close 6 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: relationship with the former Quantus boss. New South Wales's Aboriginal 7 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: land councils have called for amendments to heritage laws that 8 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 1: would enshrine their authority in legislation. It comes after a 9 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: controversial decision by Environment Minister Tanya Plimasek to block a 10 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: gold mine in Blaney on contested Indigenous heritage grounds. Those 11 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: stories alive right now at the Australian dot Com dot 12 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: a U. Australia is in the grips of a housing 13 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: crisis and the major parties are struggling to come up 14 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: with policy that gives first home buyers and renters a 15 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 1: fair go. In today's episode, why a New Alliance is 16 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: taking a grassroots approach to housing policy, laundry similar to 17 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: what I've got now a lot more stuff in it. 18 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 1: This is me at one of the dozens of property 19 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: inspections I've embarked upon over the last year. Yeah, a 20 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 1: study nook, Okay, you could make into my office. I 21 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: remember this apartment distinctly, one bedroom with a study nook 22 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: and no parking, lots of. 23 00:01:58,000 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 2: Storage in here. 24 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: They've got a dress well. 25 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 2: And then opens on to a really big backming. 26 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: But it's not the floor plan that made it memorable. No, 27 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: I remember this apartment because it's how I learned the 28 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: hard way that you can't get emotionally invested if you 29 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: don't want your little first home buy a heart to 30 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: be broken. 31 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 3: It is amazing. These opportunities are hard to find. So 32 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 3: ladies and gentlemen, where do we open the bidding? 33 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: That apartment, one bedroom with a windowless study nook and 34 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: no parking, sold it auction for about two hundred thousand 35 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: dollars above the price guide, well out of my range 36 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: and the reach of millions of Australians just like me. 37 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 3: Hammer goes up, all silent, all done, selling sold cir Congratulations. 38 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: But over the last year I've persevered queueing alongside couples 39 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 1: with dual incomes and first home buyers backed by their 40 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 1: parents to inspect smaller and smaller properties that ultimately sell 41 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,959 Speaker 1: for more and more over the price guides given by sellers. 42 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 1: I've watched in horror as Sydney's median home price saws 43 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: to astronomical levels while my borrowing capacity inexplicably declines. I've 44 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: made concessions as a twenty percent deposit gets further and 45 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: further out of reach. I've watched my credit ratings suffer 46 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: as ninety day pre approvals lapse in the blink of 47 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: an eye. I made some headway with a high interest 48 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: to savings account, and then despaired as I handed almost 49 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: every single cent of the bonus interest I'd earned over 50 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: to the tax department. I've seriously considered stashing what's left 51 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: under my mattress for the rest of this financial year 52 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: in hopes my prospects will improve, though at this point 53 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: I'm not confident, and I'm not the only one. 54 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 2: In July and August, Amplify conducted polling of four thousand 55 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 2: Australians and that revealed it ninety five percent of people 56 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 2: rank housing availability and affordability among their top priority issues. 57 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: Jeff Chambers is The Australian's chief political correspondent. 58 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 2: The polling also showed that trust in politicians and governments 59 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 2: and the handling of housing policy has never been lower, 60 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 2: and some of that could probably be linked to the 61 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 2: COVID pandemic the rise of social media, but the polling 62 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 2: clearly shows that Australians want to have a proper say 63 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 2: in the development of housing policy. 64 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 1: Housing policy is shaping up to be a key election 65 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: issue and it could even decide who wins government in 66 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: early twenty twenty five. 67 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 2: So Anthony Albernezi and Peter Dutton at a federal government 68 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 2: level are at polar opposites when it comes to housing policy, 69 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 2: and those spillover areas such as migration, superannuation for housing, 70 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 2: associated infrastructure and taxes. This issue with housing has been 71 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 2: a long time coming and it encompasses all three tiers 72 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 2: of government, local, state and federal. It has never really 73 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 2: traditionally been the domain of a federal government for the 74 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 2: Commonwealth to take courage of housing policy, had associated taxes, 75 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 2: community infrastructure as such. But it has gotten so bad 76 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 2: at a local government level in particular, and you've got 77 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 2: different taxes, different approaches to stamp duty, different priorities, different 78 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 2: first home buyer schemes that have just changed and morphed 79 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 2: over the years. The other really big issue here and 80 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 2: particularly in recent years, has been this record surgeon migration, 81 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 2: and this is where the common Wealth does have a role. 82 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 2: So there's a lot of flip sides when it comes 83 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 2: to housing now. In terms of a federal response through 84 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 2: national cabinets such, it hasn't worked both sides, but in 85 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 2: particular the Albanezi government are putting up these tens of 86 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 2: billion dollar programs talking about unlocking supply, but there's very 87 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 2: little evidence or proof that's going to happen anytime soon. 88 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 2: So big money from all sides of politics, big promises, 89 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 2: and then this sort of chasm. We're about five or 90 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 2: six months out from the next federal election and really 91 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 2: the politics around housing has never been so toxic and divisive. 92 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: Now, a nonpartisan alliance of business, social and youth leaders 93 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:59,359 Speaker 1: are backing a grassroots approach to housing policy reform. The group, 94 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: known as Amplify, is the brainchild of SEEKH co founder 95 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: Paul Bassett and former Commonwealth public servant Georgina Harrison. On 96 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: its board is former New South Wales Premier Dominic Perrete, 97 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: Tab Corp Chief executive Gillan McLaughlin and Bunning's managing director 98 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: Michael Schneider, among others. 99 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 2: It's not an aligned think tank or a politically linked group, 100 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:26,239 Speaker 2: and its purpose and the ambition of it is seeking 101 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 2: to harness people power and draw on real life experiences 102 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 2: of normal Australians to feed into policy development that is 103 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 2: completely separate from the political process. And their idea is 104 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 2: that they'll have online and in person forums across the 105 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 2: country over the coming months and that process will culminate 106 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 2: in February next year when they randomly select a diverse 107 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 2: group of one hundred Australians to assemble in Sydney for 108 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 2: the first Amplification event, and that will be solely focused 109 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 2: on housing. Amplify will provide access to a range of 110 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 2: independent experts and they'll help punters guide their ideas into 111 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 2: policy development, and once they get to that endpoint where 112 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 2: they land on a range of policy platforms, Amplify will 113 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 2: then make those representations and publicly promote what Australians, normal 114 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 2: Australians want and believe that the government should be doing 115 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 2: in relation to housing. 116 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: Experts like Jeff are speculating that an election will be 117 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: called for March or April of next year, so isn't 118 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: that cutting things a bit? Fine? 119 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 2: It is, but quite often you can maximize your effect 120 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 2: if you're unveiling, announcing, launching, agitating in policy areas right 121 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,839 Speaker 2: in the thrust of a campaign. It's not to say 122 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 2: that an incoming government or a a political party who 123 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 2: is interested in some of the ideas that are developed 124 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 2: won't pick those up, maybe look at those post election, 125 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 2: or potentially feed them into policies of their own that 126 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 2: might align with what this process provides, and that all 127 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 2: tiers of government and all politicians from every party will 128 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 2: be able to very clearly see what the people are 129 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 2: thinking and some of their ideas put forward. 130 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: Coming up the major parties make their pitch for the 131 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: roof over your head. Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi has donned 132 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: a whole lot of hard hats and high viz. Lately 133 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: he's been out and about sprinking Labour's multi pronged solution 134 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:53,719 Speaker 1: to the housing crisis. 135 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 3: This is a fantastic project, so close to amenity, so 136 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 3: close to facilities. 137 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: It's an example of what we want to achieve. One 138 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: part is called the Housing Australia Future Fund and it's 139 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: worth ten billion dollars. It was passed into legislation at 140 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 1: the end of last year. The goal there is to 141 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: build twenty thousand new social homes and ten thousand new 142 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:24,839 Speaker 1: affordable homes across the country over five years. There's also 143 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: a three billion dollar new home bonus, which funnels funding 144 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,959 Speaker 1: to states and territories that build more than their share 145 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: of the government's one point two million new home goal. Plus, 146 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: there are five hundred million dollar grants available to connect 147 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: essential services to new housing developments, but The Australian's reporting 148 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: shows a good chunk of those funds are tied up 149 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: in bureaucracy, and that means the government is likely to 150 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: fall short of its lofty housing goals. On the flip side, 151 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: the coalition says it will use a five billion dollar 152 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 1: user or Lose it infrastructure fund to build five hundred 153 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: thousand new homes around the country. The cash would be 154 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:10,199 Speaker 1: granted to local councils and state and territory owned providers 155 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: to build infrastructure like water, power, sewerage and access roads, 156 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: but rescind it if the work doesn't make progress after 157 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: twelve months and if it wins the next election. The 158 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:25,079 Speaker 1: opposition has promised to freeze changes to the national construction 159 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: code for a decade to protect families from red tape, 160 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: and the growing costs of evolving energy efficiency standards. 161 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:37,079 Speaker 2: The other really big issues I think for both sides 162 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 2: is getting those migration settings right, because a lot of 163 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 2: migrants are filling jobs that Australians don't want to do 164 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 2: and where we have shortages. And then on the flip 165 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 2: side of that, the construction sector is suffering crippling skilled 166 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 2: shortages as well, and costs for supplies that are a 167 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 2: really high left and there's big delays on projects because 168 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 2: you can't get trades people in and things are blowing out. 169 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 2: And I think demand is one issue, but I do 170 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 2: think we need to have enough houses and I think 171 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 2: people need to be realistic about where they want to live, 172 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 2: and so many people, including migrants, want to live in 173 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 2: the cities and I don't see either side really coming 174 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 2: up with a clear solution on that at this point. 175 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:37,719 Speaker 1: Jeff Chambers is The Australian's chief political correspondent. You can 176 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: read all his reporting on Australia's housing crisis right now 177 00:12:40,960 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: at The Australian dot com dot au