WEBVTT - Bonus: What It's Like To Be A Missing Persons Detective

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<v Speaker 1>Lawrence, tell me what you know.

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<v Speaker 2>We do this every two weeks we speak to a

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<v Speaker 2>member of the Victorian Police who do an extraordinary job.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we've spoken to people from all different departments this year, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>and this next policeman that we're about to speak to

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<v Speaker 2>has a very important role. He's acting detector Detective Inspector

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<v Speaker 2>Tony Combridge from the Missing Person Squad.

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<v Speaker 3>Good morning, morning, Jace, Morning, Lauren, Morning Clint.

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<v Speaker 2>Now the Missing Person Squad. I feel like this is

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<v Speaker 2>something we see on in like movies, but this is

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<v Speaker 2>something that is happening around Australia. Each year in Victoria,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty thousand people are reported missing, ninety nine percent of

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<v Speaker 2>them a found.

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<v Speaker 4>There was only there was two recent cases where children

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<v Speaker 4>were almost abducted here in Melbourne a couple of weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 4>If the kids weren't missing, it would be your unit

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<v Speaker 4>that would investigate that.

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<v Speaker 3>It would probably the crime Squad to take that. Initially

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<v Speaker 3>we'd have some input to it with some subject matter expertise,

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<v Speaker 3>but be crime would do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So how long once someone is missing, because people

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<v Speaker 2>might report someone missing, how long does it take for

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<v Speaker 2>the Missing Person Squad to get involved?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Lauren It's a bit of a nuanced question because

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<v Speaker 3>we're really involved once we establish that the likely cause

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<v Speaker 3>of someone going missing is because they've been murdered.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, okay, right, so as soon as if our player

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<v Speaker 4>is detected, then you guys get involved.

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<v Speaker 3>That's correct, Yes, yeah, right.

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<v Speaker 1>You might not be able to answer this question.

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<v Speaker 4>I was talking to the guys about I had a

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<v Speaker 4>friend of mine who lived in Seattle over in the

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<v Speaker 4>States for a while. She was running me through the

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<v Speaker 4>whole Amber alert system over there, where if someone goes missing,

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<v Speaker 4>say missing child, an Amber alert will be blasted out

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<v Speaker 4>to everyone's phone and there'll be a photo on description.

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<v Speaker 1>Clink. You mentioned you've got a couple.

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<v Speaker 5>Before in New South Wales. Actually right, New South Wales Police,

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<v Speaker 5>is it quite effectively?

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<v Speaker 1>Do we have a system like that here?

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<v Speaker 3>There are Amber? New South Wales have a really good system, Clint.

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<v Speaker 3>They have GEO targeted se missing. So what they'll do

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<v Speaker 3>if they've got somebody, say who's gone missing in a

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<v Speaker 3>in South Melbourne, They've can send a text to everyone

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<v Speaker 3>in the postcard to South Melbourne and so keep a

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<v Speaker 3>lookout for this person. We haven't got that technology here

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<v Speaker 3>as yet.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't that insane like they're just right across the border.

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<v Speaker 2>If there is an incredible service that one state has,

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<v Speaker 2>we should have it everywhere, right.

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<v Speaker 3>I absolutely agree, it's a it's a really good tool. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 3>it does come down the cost.

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<v Speaker 5>And this was by way of example, I was at

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<v Speaker 5>the Airport's in the airport and missing child. There was

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<v Speaker 5>an active missing child's case in Mascot, so that's close

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<v Speaker 5>the airport. I had a question about when a missing

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<v Speaker 5>person becomes a cold case, do you have to sort

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<v Speaker 5>of hand that over? How long do you sort of

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<v Speaker 5>actively investigate a missing person before you have to make

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<v Speaker 5>the harrowing decision to obviously cease the investigation.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, as far as missing person's investigations can Clint, they

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<v Speaker 3>all stay with us. Anything anything that comes to us

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<v Speaker 3>as in relation to a missing person where homicide is suspected,

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<v Speaker 3>they stay with us. And they're all open. They might

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<v Speaker 3>not all be actively worthd on at any one time,

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<v Speaker 3>but they'll all be open and as soon as new

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<v Speaker 3>information comes to us, we will recommence that investigation.

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<v Speaker 2>It must be a role that when you're working on

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<v Speaker 2>a case, it must never stop because you, in the

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<v Speaker 2>back of your mind must constantly be trying to think

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<v Speaker 2>of different things and ways and ideas. Does it wear

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<v Speaker 2>you down mentally doing a job like this.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm lucky, Lauren, because I've got a really good team

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<v Speaker 3>around me and I don't have to do all the thinking.

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<v Speaker 3>I just get to make some of the harder decisions,

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<v Speaker 3>which is a really good role to be in. But

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<v Speaker 3>the Victorian public can rest assured they've got some of

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<v Speaker 3>the finest detectives in Victoria Police working at the Missing

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<v Speaker 3>Person Squad that are doing a lot of the work

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<v Speaker 3>that in that space. For me, they just come up

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<v Speaker 3>with new and improved ways to get through cases all

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<v Speaker 3>the time. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, when Lauren was mentioning, the stats say ninety

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<v Speaker 4>nine percent of the twenty thousand people each year that

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<v Speaker 4>go missing in Melbourne are found alive. What normally is

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<v Speaker 4>the way you find people? Is it mobile? Phone tracking?

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<v Speaker 1>Would have to be.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a really good question, Jakes, because there's so many

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<v Speaker 3>different ways to go missing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, we look at one very specific part of it,

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<v Speaker 3>and we average probably around about four or five cases

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<v Speaker 3>a year that are homicide. So that's we're looking through

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<v Speaker 3>twenty thousand cases to try and find four or five.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, right, a little less like looking for a

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<v Speaker 3>needle in a haystack and more like looking for a

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<v Speaker 3>needle in a stack and needle. Yeah, But most people

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<v Speaker 3>self recover. They basically either they go home with their

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<v Speaker 3>own accord or they turn up at a police station

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<v Speaker 3>and say here, I've been reported missing. When we're actively

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<v Speaker 3>looking for somebody, if they've voluntarily gone missing and they're

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<v Speaker 3>taking active steps to avoid detection, they are difficult to find.

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<v Speaker 3>But we do have ways and means.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you ever watch that TV show Hunted and think

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<v Speaker 4>I'd find a minute a minute.

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't got time aways work jokes.

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<v Speaker 4>Aside, In twenty twenty four, it would be hard to

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<v Speaker 4>go missing if you wanted to.

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<v Speaker 1>Surely you'd think just with all the technology the cameras, every.

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<v Speaker 2>Cameras, even like dash cams and doorbell cameras.

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<v Speaker 4>The other day were like in the news because they're

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<v Speaker 4>using facial identification cameras.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, it is more difficult now, and when we look

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<v Speaker 3>back at some of our older cases, you can see

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<v Speaker 3>how what we would do today just can't be applied.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's a very different investigation when you're looking at

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<v Speaker 3>something so pre ninety ninety even, Yeah, which doesn't sound

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<v Speaker 3>that long ago for someone in my age, but it

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<v Speaker 3>is a fair one.

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<v Speaker 4>I think just from walking for the car park here

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<v Speaker 4>at night to the studio, fifty cameras we swipe in

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<v Speaker 4>with a car like our digital footprint would be unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's we rely on that and part of what

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<v Speaker 3>we look for around suspicious circumstances. You look at you

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<v Speaker 3>look at people's normal digital footprint and if that's just stopped,

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<v Speaker 3>that's usually pretty good indicator that something's happened.

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<v Speaker 5>To I tell you where there wasn't really a digital footprint,

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<v Speaker 5>and that was in Victoria's High Country.

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<v Speaker 3>How know?

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<v Speaker 5>You presided over the case of Russell Hill and Carol Clay,

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<v Speaker 5>which was very very high profile. There has been a

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<v Speaker 5>prosecution very recently, the appeals the appeals process at the moment,

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<v Speaker 5>but they're the campers that went missing in the high Country.

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<v Speaker 5>That must have been a harrowing case to work on

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<v Speaker 5>because there was a fairly substantial spotlight on that case

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<v Speaker 5>as well in terms of public interest.

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<v Speaker 3>Pretty much every job we work on, Clint gets that spotlight.

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<v Speaker 3>The missing person's cases that we do are classic who

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<v Speaker 3>done it murder mysteries. I think I think it attracts

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of a lot of public attention. But also

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<v Speaker 3>there are peoples and people and families involved here, So

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<v Speaker 3>there's two sides to that. There's a lot of attention.

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<v Speaker 3>Our people are trained and they know how to how

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<v Speaker 3>to deal with that additional scrutiny, but it's more around

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<v Speaker 3>trying to shield the families.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just the way society is at the moment. Look

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<v Speaker 4>at crime podcasts and all that's sort of well.

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<v Speaker 2>The Victoria Police have a podcast now, Police Life the Experts,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a podcast. People are fascinated by this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to take a quick break. When we come back.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to talk about a case that you guys

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<v Speaker 4>are chatting about on Police Life the Experts podcast. In fact,

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<v Speaker 4>you've actually bought in. I've heard this audio. This is

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<v Speaker 4>incredible audio. We're about to play. It was from inside

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<v Speaker 4>the interview process of the accused.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll play it for you. We're going to chat about

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<v Speaker 1>that case. Next. We are doing probe the Pope with

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<v Speaker 1>the Missing Person's Unit.

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<v Speaker 2>We're about to talk about a case from here in Victoria.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you've got little ears in the card, just

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<v Speaker 2>be mindful that this is a very heavy conversation we're

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<v Speaker 2>about to have.

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<v Speaker 6>Police are searching a rubbish chip in Melbourne's North for

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<v Speaker 6>the body of a missing Epping mother. Her parents are

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<v Speaker 6>refusing to believe the thirty three year old is dead,

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<v Speaker 6>even though her boyfriend has already been charged with murder.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, she was a famous case. Tony Missing Person's Unit

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<v Speaker 4>worked on it. He was found guilty, yes, and he's

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<v Speaker 4>currently serving time for murdering the single mum.

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<v Speaker 2>She Zang was her name. It's a terrible, terrible story.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they were they were dating, she wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>break up. I mean, we hear about this stuff way

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<v Speaker 2>too often.

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<v Speaker 5>By the way, here's the thing. These these are people

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<v Speaker 5>with families, right, and your job is to not just

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<v Speaker 5>locate the body in this case, but also.

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<v Speaker 3>To prosecute absolutely. It's there's two aspects. And Clint, you

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<v Speaker 3>hit it on the head that we have the whole

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<v Speaker 3>people accountable for these crimes, but we hold a whole

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<v Speaker 3>other responsibility to the community, and that's to try and

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<v Speaker 3>provide these families with finances. Absolutely, and that's where we

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<v Speaker 3>were fortunate in this case that we were able to

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<v Speaker 3>do that. When I say fortunate for you that that

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<v Speaker 3>fortune derived from the fact that our blokes worked really

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<v Speaker 3>hard on this, and our lead investigator in particular worked

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<v Speaker 3>incredibly hard on it.

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<v Speaker 2>This poor woman was put in a rubbish bit yes,

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<v Speaker 2>and the council came around picked up the bins. There

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<v Speaker 2>weren't cameras on this particular truck.

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<v Speaker 3>There was actually a camera on it, Lauren, but unfortunately

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<v Speaker 3>the truck was incredibly busy, and by the time we

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<v Speaker 3>got to the CCTV that truck had overwritten, there were

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<v Speaker 3>six other trucks collecting in the area as well that

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<v Speaker 3>did have footage, and we watched all the footage from

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<v Speaker 3>those trucks and realized that she wasn't in the first

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<v Speaker 3>six trucks, so she's going to be the boy process illumination.

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<v Speaker 3>We said that she came in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Seventh, so then that truck goes to the tip or

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<v Speaker 2>the rubbish trucks go and your department have to do

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<v Speaker 2>the ungodly job of trying to re possess that body.

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<v Speaker 3>We were really lucky that we came across the people

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<v Speaker 3>who ran the tip out at WI Alert, the good

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<v Speaker 3>people from Hanson and Grabner who helped us immensely. Now

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<v Speaker 3>those guys find stuff out there all the time. He'd

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<v Speaker 3>be surprised when it ends up in the tip that

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<v Speaker 3>shouldn't yep. So they were amazing with their assistance that

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<v Speaker 3>they provided us. But yeah, we had to put people

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<v Speaker 3>on ground out there for We were planning for probably

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<v Speaker 3>twelve weeks. It ended up being about four days.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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<v Speaker 5>So once you got the body, you need to prosecute, right,

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<v Speaker 5>And this is where the interview process kicks in.

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<v Speaker 4>Jason, Now this features on Police Life The Experts. It's

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<v Speaker 4>a Victorian police podcast which is out now. When it

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<v Speaker 4>comes to prosecuting, this audio was played at court. This

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<v Speaker 4>is from the interview process. Take a listen to.

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<v Speaker 7>This, June. Your phone has been analyzed. When we download

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<v Speaker 7>your phone, we can see everything that you have done

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<v Speaker 7>on the phone, who you've called, who you've messaged, what

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<v Speaker 7>you've been searching on the internet, what I socially on

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<v Speaker 7>the internet? Yes, on Saturday afternoon, you triped this into

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<v Speaker 7>a Google search. How many years you get for killing

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<v Speaker 7>someone in Australia. Why would you search?

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 7>On the same night, at nine pm, he tripes this

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<v Speaker 7>into Google. How to deal with sinking rubbish in Australia.

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<v Speaker 7>Why are you searching them.

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<v Speaker 3>I have has no idea.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness. I mean, well, he did a terrible

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<v Speaker 2>job trying to cover his tracks. But when someone something

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<v Speaker 2>like that happens, are you guys like this is I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>we got him.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we're pretty confident we've got the right person around

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<v Speaker 3>that time.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, when someone goes missing or you detect foul play,

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<v Speaker 4>do you want me look at the partner first?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, look, look look at the people close to the miss. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 3>statistically they're the people that have got the most opportunity.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So and realistically we're probably going to the last person

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<v Speaker 3>that sees them. Yeah, because they're a crucial witness. And

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<v Speaker 3>in this case it was this man. He was the

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<v Speaker 3>last person that had seen it.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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<v Speaker 5>And being able to obviously you deal so closely with

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<v Speaker 5>the families of these victims. Being able to sit down

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<v Speaker 5>with the family post and tell them that the person

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<v Speaker 5>that has murdered their daughter or their sister is now incarcerated,

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<v Speaker 5>what's that like?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Oh, look at it. It's powerful, but it's never going

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<v Speaker 3>to provide them with what they want. They want their

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<v Speaker 3>daughter to come home, and that wasn't going to happen.

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<v Speaker 3>And I have a vivid memory of myself and Detective

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<v Speaker 3>Seem Russell having to get back into suits from the

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<v Speaker 3>tip and drive out to see Jew's mum and dad

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<v Speaker 3>who were who'd come in from China, and then eight

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<v Speaker 3>year old son and tell them you know, we've located her,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, that's the best news they've had in

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<v Speaker 3>one hundred and thirty seven days.

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<v Speaker 5>And it is grim news, but it's the best news

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<v Speaker 5>they've had. Jesus shocking.

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<v Speaker 4>Can I say to you and your team, Tony, you

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<v Speaker 4>guys do an absolutely remarkable.

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<v Speaker 2>Job, unbelievable work. In Victoria, twenty thousand people are reported

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<v Speaker 2>missing each year and ninety nine percent of them are found,

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<v Speaker 2>almost all alive and well, but there is that terrible

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<v Speaker 2>one percent, and you do do an amazing job. Tony.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks.

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<v Speaker 5>Can I end on a lighter note if I'm losing

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<v Speaker 5>my keys all the time, do you lose stuff and

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<v Speaker 5>are you able to track it down?

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<v Speaker 3>Pretty pretty well? Yeah, you'd be surprised how much stuff

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<v Speaker 3>we lose.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll find you like all well, I see you at

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<v Speaker 1>Westfield going police car.

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<v Speaker 5>Should have taken a photo.

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<v Speaker 1>Green zone entirely likely, Tony, Thanks so much for coming in.

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