WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 1 July

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<v Speaker 1>From the Skyinging Center. This is Paul Murray Live. What

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<v Speaker 1>a show we have for you tonight. Thank you to

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<v Speaker 1>everyone who turned up in McGregor in Brisbane yesterday and

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<v Speaker 1>support us on outsound all the time again. Ow thanks

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<v Speaker 1>to the wonderful people of Party Norman. All right now tonight,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously we will talk about the democratic delusion that Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Biden has still got a shot. You know the evidence,

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<v Speaker 1>you know the rest. But there's a whole lot of

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<v Speaker 1>new reporting which is happening tonight at the start of

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<v Speaker 1>Monday in the United States. I'll get to that in

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<v Speaker 1>a second. The Senate as we speak is voting about

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<v Speaker 1>what's going to happen with a live sheep trade. This

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<v Speaker 1>is massive in Western Australia and we'll get to this

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<v Speaker 1>in a moment or twesday time. And plenty to say

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<v Speaker 1>about July one, and supposedly the day where costin living

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<v Speaker 1>ends because the government is here to help a reality

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<v Speaker 1>check for all of them in a moment. But first,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not really breaking news that it's cold during winter,

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<v Speaker 1>but the expectation is is that these will be the

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<v Speaker 1>coldest days of winter thus far and may end up

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<v Speaker 1>being the coldest of the entire season. The low's tonight

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<v Speaker 1>expected in the three kind of cold places. Forgive me, Taszy,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't double check with you, but it's seven degrees.

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<v Speaker 1>But the feels like is going to be much lower

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<v Speaker 1>than all of these numbers. Seven in Sydney, four in

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<v Speaker 1>Melbourne and minus one for everyone in Canberra. Now again,

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<v Speaker 1>Skytie's weather is always across this stuff. There is a

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<v Speaker 1>reason I am mentioning this, by the way, apart from

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<v Speaker 1>just telling you what the weather is like. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>going to do that thing where you can just look

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<v Speaker 1>out the window or you just feel it yourself. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a reason I'm mentioning this again, Scotty's weather across all

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<v Speaker 1>of it and putting out the detail about why it

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<v Speaker 1>is so cold at this moment in this winter.

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<v Speaker 2>See the forecast for frost into Tuesday morning even more

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<v Speaker 2>widespread than Monday morning in Victoria and South Australia, and

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<v Speaker 2>Wednesday looks the coldest of them all, where the widespread

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<v Speaker 2>frost from Central Australia down to the southeast and even

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<v Speaker 2>for the southwest Land.

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<v Speaker 1>Division of Wa as well.

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<v Speaker 2>There'll be some frost in some spots.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason I mention this is because sadly, there are

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<v Speaker 1>people who die in house fires each and every winter.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, on average, when you have a look at

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<v Speaker 1>the number of people who die as a result of

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<v Speaker 1>house fires in winter in Australia every year, it is

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<v Speaker 1>very close or depending on your data, even higher than

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<v Speaker 1>the number that we lose during bush fires. Now, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>the reason all of this takes place, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>an example of a most recent house fire where apparently

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<v Speaker 1>the office chairs were too close to an electric heater.

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<v Speaker 1>It caught fire, and that's how you got the blaze

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<v Speaker 1>that they did. I know that we all want to

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<v Speaker 1>stay warm from the most obvious of reasons, but please, please, please,

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<v Speaker 1>please please make sure that the heater that is in

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<v Speaker 1>your house right now is nowhere near your blankets or

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<v Speaker 1>your curtains, that the washing is not drying in front

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<v Speaker 1>of it, because all of those things are the things

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<v Speaker 1>that end up leading to house fires. Yes, people falling

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<v Speaker 1>asleep with cigarettes all the rest of it, but and

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<v Speaker 1>the heat pad stuff. I know it's cold, take care

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<v Speaker 1>of yourself because obviously all of those people who last

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<v Speaker 1>winter and the winter before and the winter before and

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<v Speaker 1>the winter before and the winter before who ended up

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<v Speaker 1>dying or being very seriously injured in house fires. Obviously

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<v Speaker 1>didn't expect that to be the case. So keep your

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<v Speaker 1>wits about you, particularly if you've got one of those

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<v Speaker 1>really old school kind of bar heaters, which I know

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<v Speaker 1>lots of people have. Just make sure it is nothing

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<v Speaker 1>is near at anywhere near the room, because I want

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<v Speaker 1>you here each and every night, and I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>be the one reminding everyone to be vigilant because it's

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<v Speaker 1>not just about staying warm, it is about staying alive.

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<v Speaker 1>Now also, before I get to politics, and there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of it today, but there's some other stuff that's

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<v Speaker 1>just been running around in my head. Remember when Optus

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<v Speaker 1>had its outage and people freaked out, rightly so, because

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<v Speaker 1>everything from your mobile phone to maybe the FPOs machine

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<v Speaker 1>that we're using the home internet was cut off. And

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<v Speaker 1>in modern world, we don't react well to not being

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<v Speaker 1>able to communicate with the rest of the world.

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<v Speaker 3>It is that horrible sense of wow, we've listed. Really

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<v Speaker 3>it's a really bad day.

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<v Speaker 1>At the end of the day, I saw the past

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<v Speaker 1>of my service. I'm not going to just come on

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<v Speaker 1>top of it.

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<v Speaker 2>It never reached to us.

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<v Speaker 4>They never send any message saying what's the reason.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just not good enough? And because the public was

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<v Speaker 1>outraged and the media followed the outrage, the government wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to get on the right side of the public, so

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<v Speaker 1>they shared the outrage that in the modern era, this

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<v Speaker 1>is the way we communicate, we do business, we talk

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<v Speaker 1>to each other, and to go without it is never acceptable.

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<v Speaker 3>Australians expect that there will be follow up, that there will.

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<v Speaker 5>Be lessons learned.

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<v Speaker 4>It's important to understand how this can be certainly avoided

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<v Speaker 4>in future.

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<v Speaker 6>They're going to have to come to the table and

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<v Speaker 6>do something big, in my view, to keep their customer base.

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<v Speaker 4>Optors needs to front up in a public hearing, take

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<v Speaker 4>questions and give an explanation.

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<v Speaker 1>Which we all know is a lot of performance here,

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<v Speaker 1>but still the expectation is of an uninterrupted service. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>things will always go wrong and that's the case, but

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<v Speaker 1>the system really should be built that when you have

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<v Speaker 1>no other offering that automatically there are serious discounts. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>this month's bill is free instead. What Optics turned around

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<v Speaker 1>and did remember was, among other things, offer huge amounts

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<v Speaker 1>of free data to people who wouldn't normally use that

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<v Speaker 1>amount of data anyway. It was a way of managing

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<v Speaker 1>the headlines. It didn't work. They ultimately had to get

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<v Speaker 1>rid of the CEO. But there is something perhaps even

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<v Speaker 1>more important than our ability to access the internet, and

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<v Speaker 1>that is your ability to access your own money. For

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<v Speaker 1>the most obvious of reasons, people these days they don't

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<v Speaker 1>carry much cash anymore, so most people will pay their

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<v Speaker 1>bills online. Most people will send money between themselves that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Most people will pay for their pizza that particular way. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>today Australia Bank was the latest of the major banks

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<v Speaker 1>to have a major outage, huge problems with the app

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<v Speaker 1>where it put simply was down. This meant that anyone

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<v Speaker 1>who was a customer or of course businesses all the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of it huge interruptions. Now, can you always pay

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<v Speaker 1>a bill another day, sure, but there are lots of

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<v Speaker 1>things that are always do on that day, a huge

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<v Speaker 1>amount of money that needed to move around, people settling

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<v Speaker 1>on ourss. There are consequences when this stuff doesn't work.

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<v Speaker 1>And again they got a little bit of a mention

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<v Speaker 1>today but of course, well it's only if your customers

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<v Speaker 1>have nabbed that was a story for everyone else. It

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter. The messages were pretty clear on their website

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<v Speaker 1>pretty clear about their app as well. But the response

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<v Speaker 1>from the government when the system broke and people couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>get access to their money or to pay for things,

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<v Speaker 1>or to move things around, or to do basically all

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<v Speaker 1>of the things that were a problem with optis, we

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<v Speaker 1>heard nothing today Tumbleweeds. This was not considered as big

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<v Speaker 1>or as significant. But of course if you needed your money,

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<v Speaker 1>if you needed to it, if you needed to pay it,

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<v Speaker 1>if you needed to transfer it, you needed this. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's not just the National Australia Bank. We've also seen

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<v Speaker 1>this when it comes to the A and Z Bank,

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<v Speaker 1>where they too had problems with a major outage that

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<v Speaker 1>was striking A and Z online banking and their app.

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<v Speaker 1>The same with the Commonwealth Bank, where the Commonwealth Bank

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<v Speaker 1>is trying to win back its furious customers why because

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<v Speaker 1>they had no access to their money. All of this

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<v Speaker 1>staff has been happening in the past few months. It

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<v Speaker 1>will happen again in the next few months. The same

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<v Speaker 1>with Westpac where Westpac banking services resume after customers were

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<v Speaker 1>hit with an outage. Now again, big complicated systems break,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the reality. But what's the penalty. What's the penalty?

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<v Speaker 1>What is the pressure on these companies to offer something

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<v Speaker 1>back to their customers. How do they make sure, let's

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<v Speaker 1>say the tap and go fees that you'd have to

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<v Speaker 1>pay for the rest of the month, you wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 1>to pay. Why use there not some sort of financial

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<v Speaker 1>disincentive for major organizations not to be spending all their

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<v Speaker 1>energy and all their time making sure that our interface

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<v Speaker 1>with our own money flows like the water from the tap,

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<v Speaker 1>the electricity to your house, or the internet to your

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<v Speaker 1>home or business. I found it quite strange today. Now again,

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<v Speaker 1>the government doesn't run these banks, thankfully they don't own

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<v Speaker 1>a bank anymore. But the consequences of people not being

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<v Speaker 1>able to have access to their money, well, it's obvious

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<v Speaker 1>you may well have felt this frustration at certain points

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<v Speaker 1>in time. My question is, when it's a telco, it's

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<v Speaker 1>the lead story and the CEO ends up losing their job.

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<v Speaker 1>When it's a bank, it's just an adage and you

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<v Speaker 1>have to suck it up. Why the double standard? Now,

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<v Speaker 1>before again, I get to the politics, and there's all

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<v Speaker 1>the obvious stuff. Yeah, the Senator and Biden and all

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<v Speaker 1>that stuff. I'll get to it right plenty some but

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<v Speaker 1>you will have heard by now there was a ridiculous

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<v Speaker 1>act of vandalism that was supposedly in the name of

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<v Speaker 1>compassion for the Palestinians of Gaza. But why do we

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<v Speaker 1>leave our memorials unguarded either with cameras and I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>suggesting twenty four to seven security guards. But of course

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<v Speaker 1>in Canberra there is that entire stretch of different war

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<v Speaker 1>memorials that represent different conflicts, different people that goes from

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<v Speaker 1>Lake Burley Griffin all the way up to the War Memorial.

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<v Speaker 1>Why have we not seen footage of the people who

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<v Speaker 1>were doing this? Why is the consequence of this something

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<v Speaker 1>where we're all going to feel an outrage, But at

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<v Speaker 1>this moment in time, there is no one who has

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<v Speaker 1>been charged. Why don't we have greater ability to track

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<v Speaker 1>down these people? We have a world of motion senses

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<v Speaker 1>that we all put around our houses. Why not when

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<v Speaker 1>the sun goes down around significant monuments. And just in

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<v Speaker 1>the same way that there are local councils that have

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<v Speaker 1>got all sorts of cameras everywhere to pick up illegal dumping,

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<v Speaker 1>you can hide these cameras and lots of places where

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<v Speaker 1>nobody knows exactly where they are. Now. Of course, like you,

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<v Speaker 1>I was disgusted to see, surprise, surprise, the Greens not

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<v Speaker 1>even having the brain, the heart, or the balls to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to pass emotion in condemnation of this behavior.

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<v Speaker 1>And again, if we can roll that footage again, some

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<v Speaker 1>of the symbols there, yes, are about what is happening

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<v Speaker 1>in Gaza, but some of it is just about outright anarchy.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of it is, of course, part of this historical

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<v Speaker 1>view that everything post seventeen seventy is a problem, any

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<v Speaker 1>and anyone who does anything other than leave that view

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<v Speaker 1>of history somehow as a problem. Those are the anarchist symbols,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, But there are two other examples that

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<v Speaker 1>I would like to share with you that I think

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<v Speaker 1>are just as outrageous, just as outrageous. And while on

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<v Speaker 1>this show we often go out of our way to

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<v Speaker 1>celebrate good, amazing, normal people, there are really some sickos

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<v Speaker 1>out there, not just the ones that want to do

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<v Speaker 1>that political sort of garbage, but the people who just

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<v Speaker 1>do nasty things, truly nasty things. I'm not talking about

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<v Speaker 1>people who commit crimes of a soultal murder. I'm talking

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<v Speaker 1>about a nastiness in the crimes that they do. Molly

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<v Speaker 1>Ticehurst as you know, was murdered. Her partner is currently

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<v Speaker 1>going through the court process, and the people of Forbes,

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<v Speaker 1>which is not too far from Parks, have taken this

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<v Speaker 1>crime into their heart because she was the most normal

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<v Speaker 1>example of somebody who lives in that beuatiful part of

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<v Speaker 1>regional New South Wales. Now this story is a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of days old, but I wanted to bring you to

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<v Speaker 1>the heart of this that Molly Tyshurst's family, according to

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<v Speaker 1>The Guardian, have been robbed of some of the possessions

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<v Speaker 1>of their now lost daughter. Now, among the items that

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<v Speaker 1>were taken from the Forbes property where Molly twenty eight

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<v Speaker 1>lived with her six year old was a gold nugget

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<v Speaker 1>pendant that was given to her by her father, Tony,

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<v Speaker 1>who we have seen speaking on behalf of the family

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<v Speaker 1>about the heartbreak and rage that any family would feel

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<v Speaker 1>that have gone through this. He picked the piece because

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<v Speaker 1>it looked like a woman that was holding a child.

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<v Speaker 1>This is that very gold nugget pendant. It was stolen

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<v Speaker 1>from a murder victim's house after she was murdered. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I say this on teav right now because if there

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<v Speaker 1>is anyone around Forbes or Parks or anywhere around that

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<v Speaker 1>region of New South Wales. Who has seen that pendant,

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<v Speaker 1>been offered it to buy it, somebody's tried to porn it.

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<v Speaker 1>Clearly somebody stole this because they thought that there was

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<v Speaker 1>a financial value to it, but the emotional value is

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<v Speaker 1>of course completely irreplaceable. Can we show it again because

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<v Speaker 1>I want everyone to see it, and everyone who's watching

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<v Speaker 1>us right now on Foxdelle free to wear flash Orskynews

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<v Speaker 1>dot com dot you listening to us right now online

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<v Speaker 1>or watching this video tomorrow. If you see anything like this,

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<v Speaker 1>or you're offered anything like this, or you see it

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<v Speaker 1>in a shop or a garage, anything, please please contact

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<v Speaker 1>the police and they will obviously connect it back with

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<v Speaker 1>the family. And then this is the one that really

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<v Speaker 1>got me today. I want to show you a beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>little girl, this beautiful little lady, Brittany. She was three

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<v Speaker 1>and she's no longer here. She accidentally swallowed a toxic

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<v Speaker 1>battery and she died. Her family as a way of

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<v Speaker 1>honoring her at her grave site, put her tiara, a

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<v Speaker 1>little tiara that was with them when they were in hospital.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think you know what I'm about to show you.

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<v Speaker 1>Some bastard has stolen it some bastard has gone to

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<v Speaker 1>her grave which is the Mudurrabar Cemetery, pride and open

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<v Speaker 1>and taken a tiara from a girl's grave. Now again

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<v Speaker 1>I mention all of this because if you see these

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<v Speaker 1>things being offered, if you see them online, please contact

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<v Speaker 1>the police. One hundred triple three triple zero is the

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<v Speaker 1>crime stoppers number local police. These families need these things

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<v Speaker 1>because when you don't have your little girl, be at

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<v Speaker 1>a three year old or even one in their late twenties,

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<v Speaker 1>the things that they touched, the things that they loved,

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<v Speaker 1>the things that represent them are all you have left. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I hope that there is someone somewhere who will see

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<v Speaker 1>these things, report and return again. Ninety nine point nine

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<v Speaker 1>nine percent of people are decent, but there are low

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<v Speaker 1>lives amongst us, and there's a little low life network

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<v Speaker 1>the things. They can make a few dollars out of this,

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<v Speaker 1>for whatever reason that they want those few dollars, but

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<v Speaker 1>for goodness sake, find this stuff and give it back.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember the central promise which has been the single greatest

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<v Speaker 1>broken promise of the Albanezy labor government was that they

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<v Speaker 1>were promising in May of twenty twenty two and many

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<v Speaker 1>months before that the Labor government would lower the cost

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<v Speaker 1>of living. You know the reality that since that promise

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<v Speaker 1>was made and since this government came to being, there

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<v Speaker 1>has been twelve interest rate rises and inflation is now

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<v Speaker 1>heading back up after coming slightly down. But still everything

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<v Speaker 1>has cost more every day of every week of every

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<v Speaker 1>month of every year since this government came to power.

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<v Speaker 1>But this Prime minister spent an entire year and half

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<v Speaker 1>a billion dollars campaigning for a question that went from

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<v Speaker 1>sixty forty yes to sixty forty no. And he did

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<v Speaker 1>not care no matter what he says. Remember, at the

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<v Speaker 1>height of this time in the budget, not this one,

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<v Speaker 1>but the one before, at the time when he was

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<v Speaker 1>spending this money and out and about on this campaign,

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<v Speaker 1>his government took fifteen hundred dollars of ten million work,

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<v Speaker 1>the same workers that of course, now they're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>turn around and pretend that they're helping out with a

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<v Speaker 1>whole series of things which kicking today. Well, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>the Prime minister's first kick in the backside was the

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<v Speaker 1>Australian public saying, no, colossal waste the money, We don't

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<v Speaker 1>agree with your IDEA second kick in the backside was

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<v Speaker 1>that Australians were focused that this government, who had promised action,

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<v Speaker 1>had failed. Remember the polling that was around at the

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<v Speaker 1>very end of last year that about eighty percent of

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<v Speaker 1>Australian said the government has not done enough at all

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<v Speaker 1>to deal with cost of living. So of course we

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<v Speaker 1>had the nonsense of the rejigging of tax cuts, which

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<v Speaker 1>essentially means that the government has made decisions that will

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<v Speaker 1>cost them apparently billions of dollars, and those billions of

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<v Speaker 1>dollars come back to workers. But of course it's not

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<v Speaker 1>billions of dollars if you are the worker. I have

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<v Speaker 1>for months said that when the problems are as big

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<v Speaker 1>as they currently are, this is all too little, too late.

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<v Speaker 1>The numbers I have shown you almost every couple of

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<v Speaker 1>days for a really long period of time now. But

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<v Speaker 1>it still remains the case that if you earn forty

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<v Speaker 1>five thousand dollars, this government wants a pat on the

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<v Speaker 1>back for letting you keep fifteen dollars of your own

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<v Speaker 1>money twenty two thirty two forty one dollars of your

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<v Speaker 1>own money. And I have long predicted that this money

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't touch the sides, and this money doesn't actually change

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<v Speaker 1>anyone's life. Yet the government gets to say we're helping.

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<v Speaker 1>What of course they are doing is throwing a thimble

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<v Speaker 1>of water out of fire, but they want credit for

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<v Speaker 1>the thimble of water because we could have chosen not

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<v Speaker 1>to throw the thimble of water. Well, I've got plenty

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<v Speaker 1>of proof today that my instincts were correct about how

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<v Speaker 1>people will actually consider, consume, or not even notice these

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<v Speaker 1>tax cuts because they are too little and they are

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<v Speaker 1>too late. Channel nine newspapers hardly unfriendly territory for the government. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>they decided to interview a bunch of people about what

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<v Speaker 1>they are going to be doing with the two little

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<v Speaker 1>too late tax cuts, and guess what their own words

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<v Speaker 1>will prove it is too little too late. First a

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<v Speaker 1>lady called Ever. She says, it's not going to be

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<v Speaker 1>something that substantially changes or balances out the increasing costs

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<v Speaker 1>that everyone is facing. We've got a mortgage, so obviously

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<v Speaker 1>with the interest rate rises, which remember, there's most likely

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<v Speaker 1>to be another one because this government has failed to

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<v Speaker 1>deal with inflation properly and it's not going to change

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<v Speaker 1>much of their world. Then there's the lady who's a nurse.

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<v Speaker 1>These are supposedly the absolute sweet spot. Politically, women like Belinda.

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<v Speaker 1>It might cover my compulsory parking fee at the hospital,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's about it. I'm choosing between do we go

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<v Speaker 1>out with our friends or do we pay that bill?

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<v Speaker 1>Do I choose between taking my daughter to the movies

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<v Speaker 1>or paying that big dental bill. Another example, two young

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<v Speaker 1>women they apparently live I think in the same house.

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<v Speaker 1>Asked this is the Eloise who's the one on the left.

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<v Speaker 1>Asked if she thought that the money in people's pockets

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<v Speaker 1>could go to add to inflation. Grant says, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>you can only assume so, but I think with everything

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<v Speaker 1>going on, it's very helpful. Okay, nice comment. Well, her

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<v Speaker 1>mate Charlie is on the right. She says she wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to save the bulk of her tax cut, adding if

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<v Speaker 1>I was planning on spending it, it would just go

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<v Speaker 1>to essentials due to inflation. She also said that rent

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<v Speaker 1>was a major expense. So they're the happy ones. By

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<v Speaker 1>their own admission, too little, too late. The idea that

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<v Speaker 1>you would be able to save fifteen dollars a week

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<v Speaker 1>on forty five thousand, when, of course all of those

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<v Speaker 1>things keep going up, it all gets gobbled up. It's

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<v Speaker 1>already been gobbled up from when it was announced back

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<v Speaker 1>in January. How do we know, because the inflation figures

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<v Speaker 1>tell us in the month of May, this is the

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<v Speaker 1>margin by which everything went up compared to the before

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<v Speaker 1>Tobacco thirteen percent, petrol nine percent, insurance and financial services, rents, alcohol, electricity, health, housing, education,

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<v Speaker 1>new housing that people would move into, transport, and fruit

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<v Speaker 1>and vegetables. So even if you were somebody who was

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<v Speaker 1>a supposed beneficiary of the tax cuts, it's all eaten up.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's one lady who I want you to see

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<v Speaker 1>because she is the embodiment of my entire obsession with

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<v Speaker 1>why this is too little, why this is too late,

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<v Speaker 1>why they don't deserve credit, and why they are liars.

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<v Speaker 1>This lady was on a current affair tonight. She's holding

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<v Speaker 1>a kid, and her and her partner are working collectively

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<v Speaker 1>the best part of ninety hours a week. I want

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<v Speaker 1>you to see this for a full sixty seconds, because

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<v Speaker 1>this is why Prime Minister, it is too little, too late.

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<v Speaker 1>This is why my press gallery friends, you are in

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<v Speaker 1>the wrong spot and you do not understand how the

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<v Speaker 1>politics does not connect to the real world. Have a

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<v Speaker 1>look how much.

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<v Speaker 4>Of a difference will today's tax cuts make for you, guys?

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<v Speaker 5>Pretty much nothing. We do everything we can to cut

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<v Speaker 5>where we can, just to survive.

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<v Speaker 4>You're saying you are living week to week.

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<v Speaker 5>That's correct. Yeah, week to week's heartbreaking.

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<v Speaker 2>It really is.

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<v Speaker 5>It's hard, you know, just trying to survive with my

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<v Speaker 5>little family. I'm thankful, but I do have my parents

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<v Speaker 5>because if I didn't have them and they didn't have

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<v Speaker 5>their house, I would essentially be homeless. You know, my

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<v Speaker 5>partner works like forty five fifty hours a week. I'm

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<v Speaker 5>forty hours a week and it's still essentially not enough.

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<v Speaker 5>Every single day I wake up and I go, what

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<v Speaker 5>she is going to happen this week? What's going to

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<v Speaker 5>increase today?

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<v Speaker 1>Can governments solve all of Emma's problems?

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<v Speaker 7>No?

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<v Speaker 1>Are her parents doing everything they can to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>that she and her partner and their little Barbara being

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<v Speaker 1>taken care of. Yes, that's real life. But what really

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<v Speaker 1>annoys me is that the government pretends that they are

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<v Speaker 1>helping Emma. In election campaigns, they pretend they care about Emma.

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<v Speaker 1>In advertising that you pay for, they pretend they are

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<v Speaker 1>helping Emma. Emma is working full time, her partner is

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<v Speaker 1>working full time, but they can't get the ends to

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<v Speaker 1>meet because everything costs more than it did before. Yet

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<v Speaker 1>this government turns around and Prance is about in question

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<v Speaker 1>time like they somehow have cured cancer. This is not help,

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<v Speaker 1>This is political messaging. This is some crumbs off the

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<v Speaker 1>table that have been given out by people who have

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<v Speaker 1>received their third pay rise since they came to government

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<v Speaker 1>on the promise of making Emma's life easier. That's why

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<v Speaker 1>I cannot stand these people. It's why I hope that

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<v Speaker 1>if karma exists, they feel a level of political discomfort

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<v Speaker 1>from their lives. But as you know, you can waste

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<v Speaker 1>an awful lot of time waiting for karma to kick in,

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<v Speaker 1>But it will kick in at some point somewhere. I

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<v Speaker 1>hope it's sooner rather than later, so they realize how

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<v Speaker 1>too late their efforts are for people like Emma, her

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<v Speaker 1>husband and that little bubba. Now, also, when we talk

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<v Speaker 1>about government, we know that there's so much data around

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<v Speaker 1>that says that government is taking more tax than ever before.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't matter if we're talking about payroll company, stamp duty,

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<v Speaker 1>whether we're talking about the GST. Government is absolutely swimming

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<v Speaker 1>in it. Hundreds of billions of dollars each and every year,

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<v Speaker 1>which is higher than the last year, higher than the

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<v Speaker 1>year before that, and often it's growing at a faster

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<v Speaker 1>rate than the population is. And that's saying something considering

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<v Speaker 1>how many people this government is bringing in to try

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<v Speaker 1>to prop things up. So then we have the spectacle

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<v Speaker 1>of the federal treasurer and the state colleagues again pretending, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we're fixing everything and we're helping out emma, and aren't

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<v Speaker 1>we amazing, But of course what they're really doing is

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<v Speaker 1>just dusting their own jackets so they've got an announcement

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<v Speaker 1>so they can save their backside, so they can all

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<v Speaker 1>just stay in power. Well, today I want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about the reality of all of this money, all of

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<v Speaker 1>this spending, and and how it doesn't actually connect in

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<v Speaker 1>the world of education. Now, of the billions of dollars

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<v Speaker 1>billions of dollars state in federal, could somebody please explain

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<v Speaker 1>to me how the school system in twenty twenty four

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<v Speaker 1>that is apparently getting more money than it's ever got

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<v Speaker 1>before from governments which are getting more money than ever before,

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<v Speaker 1>has a scenario where as the Courier Mail has reported

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<v Speaker 1>in the past couple of days, teachers reaching their own

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<v Speaker 1>pocket to spay, to spend almost one thousand dollars a

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<v Speaker 1>year on things like clothing, stationery, food. How do we

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<v Speaker 1>live in a world where they take so much tax,

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<v Speaker 1>they get so much press out of their care of education,

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<v Speaker 1>yet still at the end of the day parents have

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<v Speaker 1>got to fork out more, including Emma when her child

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<v Speaker 1>eventually will end up going to school and then teaches themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>Are the ones plugging the gaps? Another example, which is

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<v Speaker 1>a school that is focused on indigenous students in the

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<v Speaker 1>far north of Queensland. The Guardian has this story about

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<v Speaker 1>moldy bathrooms, broken air con, hole in the wall. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the photos that they have been able to put

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<v Speaker 1>together of one of these particular schools. How is this acceptable?

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<v Speaker 1>How is this happening? It's actually a wider survey which

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<v Speaker 1>has been done i think by one of the unions,

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<v Speaker 1>But the twenty twenty four State of Our School Survey,

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<v Speaker 1>which canvas more than thirteen thousand educators teachers around Australia,

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<v Speaker 1>found that nineteen percent of principles said they didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>enough classrooms at their schools and forty percent said that

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't have sufficient space to meet enrollments. In the

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<v Speaker 1>next three to five years. Again, my rage and indignation

0:27:51.080 --> 0:27:57.600
<v Speaker 1>is that these politicians waste our time gas lighters, lie

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<v Speaker 1>to us, demand that we should be thankful when the

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<v Speaker 1>result of the education system is the lowest performance in

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<v Speaker 1>generations in terms of educational results. Teachers and parents have

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<v Speaker 1>to end up spending extra money that they don't have

0:28:13.960 --> 0:28:17.960
<v Speaker 1>because of the failures inside their own system. But they've

0:28:17.960 --> 0:28:20.760
<v Speaker 1>got money for the Olympic Games. They've got money to

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<v Speaker 1>pay multi billion dollar corporations like the UFC to come

0:28:26.040 --> 0:28:30.320
<v Speaker 1>and stage a few fights. The Western Australian government is

0:28:30.400 --> 0:28:36.639
<v Speaker 1>paying the WWE to put a show on at Opta Stadium.

0:28:37.600 --> 0:28:39.560
<v Speaker 1>They did it earlier this year, they'll do it again

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<v Speaker 1>next year. In fact, our state governments spend the best

0:28:43.480 --> 0:28:50.240
<v Speaker 1>part of about seven hundred million dollars on events. Now,

0:28:50.240 --> 0:28:52.920
<v Speaker 1>these are all the bread and circuses to distract you

0:28:53.480 --> 0:28:56.280
<v Speaker 1>from the reality that the people who are taking more

0:28:56.320 --> 0:28:59.200
<v Speaker 1>tax than ever before, who claim to be spending more

0:28:59.240 --> 0:29:02.800
<v Speaker 1>money than ever before, or keep leaving you out in

0:29:02.840 --> 0:29:06.320
<v Speaker 1>the cold. All you can ever do is, when you

0:29:06.320 --> 0:29:09.680
<v Speaker 1>get the opportunity once every three years federally four years

0:29:09.720 --> 0:29:14.680
<v Speaker 1>in most states, is tell them to bugger off. Don't

0:29:14.680 --> 0:29:18.240
<v Speaker 1>believe them, don't fall for it, follow the data, believe

0:29:18.320 --> 0:29:24.160
<v Speaker 1>your own eyes, remember your own experience. Because these people,

0:29:25.240 --> 0:29:29.680
<v Speaker 1>they care about themselves. The media is all about having

0:29:29.760 --> 0:29:32.000
<v Speaker 1>access to those people, so they never want to call

0:29:32.000 --> 0:29:34.960
<v Speaker 1>them out on the reality. And that's not something that

0:29:35.080 --> 0:29:36.680
<v Speaker 1>is about the left wing or the right wing. It

0:29:36.760 --> 0:29:40.800
<v Speaker 1>is about accountability. I'm sick of the idea that compassion

0:29:40.880 --> 0:29:43.560
<v Speaker 1>is just something for the left. It can happen on

0:29:43.600 --> 0:29:47.680
<v Speaker 1>the right too, the same as strength works in both directions.

0:29:47.800 --> 0:29:50.800
<v Speaker 1>Hold these people accountable and do it with your vote.

0:29:52.440 --> 0:29:55.560
<v Speaker 1>Do it when you talk to a polster, tell them

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<v Speaker 1>this is not acceptable, Do not fall for their garbage.

0:30:00.160 --> 0:30:05.200
<v Speaker 1>Demand more because when it's their backside in a sling.

0:30:06.080 --> 0:30:12.120
<v Speaker 1>Funnily enough, they find the money. Now to the United States,

0:30:12.120 --> 0:30:15.880
<v Speaker 1>and let's move on from talking exclusively about the debate

0:30:15.920 --> 0:30:17.960
<v Speaker 1>and get to the is Joe Biden going to stand

0:30:18.000 --> 0:30:20.920
<v Speaker 1>the race? As you know past twenty four hours, he

0:30:21.000 --> 0:30:25.120
<v Speaker 1>spent it with his family at Camp David. Now the

0:30:25.240 --> 0:30:28.400
<v Speaker 1>family unsurprisingly turned around and told him you've got to

0:30:28.400 --> 0:30:30.720
<v Speaker 1>stay in Joe. They also did a photo shoot with

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<v Speaker 1>Annie Liberwitz, so they have no interest in jumping out. Instead, amazingly,

0:30:36.040 --> 0:30:40.040
<v Speaker 1>they are blaming not Joe Biden, not themselves for exposing

0:30:40.120 --> 0:30:43.160
<v Speaker 1>Joe Biden, but the people around Joe Biden. They are

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<v Speaker 1>and I quote privately trashing his top campaign advisors, blaming

0:30:49.280 --> 0:30:53.240
<v Speaker 1>them for the president's flop on Thursday. What about them

0:30:53.760 --> 0:30:59.440
<v Speaker 1>blaming themselves for exposing the weakness of their husband, father

0:31:00.400 --> 0:31:03.800
<v Speaker 1>or if the kids are old enough, grandfather. They're also

0:31:03.880 --> 0:31:06.880
<v Speaker 1>cracking into the sea and and moderators. Remember the c

0:31:07.040 --> 0:31:10.600
<v Speaker 1>and N debate in the studio with the mi'x cutoff

0:31:10.720 --> 0:31:16.520
<v Speaker 1>in June was the Biden campaign's idea. Additionally, Biden's campaign

0:31:16.640 --> 0:31:20.680
<v Speaker 1>staff are getting angry at CNN about how the debate

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<v Speaker 1>was run. According to several people familiar with the conversations,

0:31:24.240 --> 0:31:26.800
<v Speaker 1>their complaints were lengthy, including that the moderators should have

0:31:26.960 --> 0:31:30.320
<v Speaker 1>fact checked Trump more often, that Biden was not told

0:31:30.360 --> 0:31:34.440
<v Speaker 1>which camera he'd be on when not speaking, and that

0:31:34.520 --> 0:31:40.560
<v Speaker 1>the makeup staff appeared to make him too pale. This

0:31:40.800 --> 0:31:47.160
<v Speaker 1>is pathological gas lighting, and all of his problems will

0:31:47.200 --> 0:31:50.560
<v Speaker 1>not get better. He will only get older. He will

0:31:50.560 --> 0:31:53.720
<v Speaker 1>only get weaker, because that happens to all of us.

0:31:55.320 --> 0:31:57.840
<v Speaker 1>You have seen people in the prime of their life

0:31:57.880 --> 0:32:00.880
<v Speaker 1>go in with jet black hair and after four or

0:32:00.920 --> 0:32:03.800
<v Speaker 1>eight years of the presidency. It's gray. So imagine what

0:32:03.920 --> 0:32:07.880
<v Speaker 1>it does to a bloke who will be beyond his

0:32:08.080 --> 0:32:11.200
<v Speaker 1>mid eighties should he get another four years in the job.

0:32:12.520 --> 0:32:17.280
<v Speaker 1>But unbelievable, all of the people who are afraid of

0:32:17.400 --> 0:32:20.680
<v Speaker 1>upsetting the Biden family are all coming out now publicly

0:32:20.760 --> 0:32:24.080
<v Speaker 1>and saying nothing to see here. Don't believe your lying eyes.

0:32:24.600 --> 0:32:28.600
<v Speaker 1>He wasn't sick, he wasn't frail. The makeup was the problem.

0:32:30.240 --> 0:32:32.360
<v Speaker 1>There are, of course, many members of the media who

0:32:32.400 --> 0:32:35.760
<v Speaker 1>often think of themselves too much as participants rather than commentators.

0:32:35.800 --> 0:32:39.360
<v Speaker 1>But still a broken clock can be right twice a day.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, Democrats want a lecture Republicans for not for

0:32:43.920 --> 0:32:46.320
<v Speaker 7>putting party over country and how they've been enabling of

0:32:46.360 --> 0:32:50.280
<v Speaker 7>Donald Trump. Can Democrats really sit there and say, you know,

0:32:50.680 --> 0:32:52.560
<v Speaker 7>this is not about whether you think Biden can win

0:32:52.600 --> 0:32:54.040
<v Speaker 7>the election. He might be able to win the election.

0:32:54.160 --> 0:32:56.120
<v Speaker 7>It's not because he's Joe Biden. It's because he's not

0:32:56.240 --> 0:32:59.760
<v Speaker 7>Donald Trump. The real issue is is he telling the

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<v Speaker 7>true truth about whether he can serve a full four years?

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<v Speaker 1>And again part of the nonsense is, oh, the polls.

0:33:06.920 --> 0:33:09.040
<v Speaker 1>You know, our internal polls are much better than everything

0:33:09.040 --> 0:33:11.760
<v Speaker 1>else that's being said publicly. Well, as you know, follow

0:33:11.800 --> 0:33:14.600
<v Speaker 1>the data. More than seventy percent of people say that

0:33:14.600 --> 0:33:17.400
<v Speaker 1>he should not drop out of the race. Why because

0:33:17.400 --> 0:33:20.320
<v Speaker 1>they watched what eighty million people watched the other day.

0:33:20.840 --> 0:33:25.400
<v Speaker 1>Seventy two percent of people, basically a full ten point increase,

0:33:26.960 --> 0:33:28.960
<v Speaker 1>say he should jump out of the race. His family,

0:33:29.160 --> 0:33:32.240
<v Speaker 1>whose entire business model is of course selling access to Dad.

0:33:32.480 --> 0:33:35.640
<v Speaker 1>The entire Democratic establishment, who just thinks because he's not

0:33:35.680 --> 0:33:39.360
<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump he'll win, is willing to continue their lie

0:33:39.560 --> 0:33:42.200
<v Speaker 1>and prop up this bloke. Whether it works or not,

0:33:42.240 --> 0:33:46.000
<v Speaker 1>we'll all find out together, but it is pretty ridiculous. Meantime,

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<v Speaker 1>in a couple of hours time, the Supreme Court in

0:33:48.840 --> 0:33:51.000
<v Speaker 1>the United States will have a very big decision to make.

0:33:51.040 --> 0:33:55.040
<v Speaker 1>It will announce whether or not Donald Trump has got

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<v Speaker 1>total presidential immunity. Put simply, that would mean most of

0:33:58.600 --> 0:34:00.600
<v Speaker 1>the cases that are against him at the federal level

0:34:00.640 --> 0:34:04.920
<v Speaker 1>would melt away. It's a very big night in American politics.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll find out what happens by tomorrow morning. Where Pete

0:34:07.960 --> 0:34:10.839
<v Speaker 1>Stefanovick fills you in with first edition quick break back

0:34:10.840 --> 0:34:12.759
<v Speaker 1>with more plenty to talk about here as we jump

0:34:12.760 --> 0:34:15.960
<v Speaker 1>into the debate, and we'll talk about the weakness of

0:34:16.080 --> 0:34:19.000
<v Speaker 1>the Prime Minister when it comes to the two little

0:34:19.000 --> 0:34:21.080
<v Speaker 1>too late tax cuts, when it comes to dealing with

0:34:21.600 --> 0:34:24.319
<v Speaker 1>that Senator who will inevitably end up leaving them, and

0:34:24.400 --> 0:34:31.279
<v Speaker 1>a whole lot more morna second, thank you so much

0:34:31.280 --> 0:34:33.480
<v Speaker 1>for watching. Holly Hughes joining us from Canberra where there

0:34:33.520 --> 0:34:35.879
<v Speaker 1>is so much going on, including that live experts vote.

0:34:35.880 --> 0:34:37.160
<v Speaker 1>We'll get to that in the moment or two this time.

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<v Speaker 1>Love you to see you, my friend here in the

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<v Speaker 1>man Cave, none of them, the great Sam Crosby, love

0:34:40.920 --> 0:34:42.960
<v Speaker 1>to see you well, sir. I'm sorry about the car

0:34:43.040 --> 0:34:46.160
<v Speaker 1>and the Sunday showdown and the drama. It was incredible.

0:34:46.200 --> 0:34:48.960
<v Speaker 1>Potholes anyway is here. So I want to ask a

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<v Speaker 1>question that's not in the news to surprise you both.

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<v Speaker 1>First year. I'll start with you first, Senator, which is

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<v Speaker 1>we had a national freak out and rightly so when

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<v Speaker 1>Optus went down for a day. Yet every couple of

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<v Speaker 1>weeks the banking apps don't work. Every couple of weeks

0:35:05.400 --> 0:35:07.880
<v Speaker 1>there will be one of the different ones where the

0:35:08.000 --> 0:35:10.239
<v Speaker 1>website won't work or the app doesn't work. Now your

0:35:10.320 --> 0:35:13.200
<v Speaker 1>access to your money. I would suggest is just if

0:35:13.200 --> 0:35:16.800
<v Speaker 1>not more vital than your access to the internet. Now again,

0:35:16.960 --> 0:35:20.160
<v Speaker 1>will systems break down? Sure? Right? Should they be punished

0:35:20.160 --> 0:35:23.680
<v Speaker 1>and fined with seven trillion? No? Right? But why don't

0:35:23.760 --> 0:35:27.920
<v Speaker 1>we have a system that demands that when access to

0:35:28.000 --> 0:35:31.600
<v Speaker 1>your money is unavailable, that the same company can't keep

0:35:31.680 --> 0:35:34.000
<v Speaker 1>charging you for the rest of the month when you

0:35:34.040 --> 0:35:35.840
<v Speaker 1>access your money via tap and go.

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<v Speaker 3>Holly, Look, I mean absolutely, And I don't know whether

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<v Speaker 3>the impact today was also felt by businesses, which we

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<v Speaker 3>know is what happened when Optis went out. I mean,

0:35:45.480 --> 0:35:50.080
<v Speaker 3>businesses couldn't even use their point of sale payment systems

0:35:50.120 --> 0:35:53.360
<v Speaker 3>when Optis went out. And I don't know whether or

0:35:53.360 --> 0:35:56.120
<v Speaker 3>not businesses were impacted. I haven't seen any coverage of that,

0:35:56.560 --> 0:36:00.640
<v Speaker 3>but I'm sure you know. This is why people want

0:36:00.680 --> 0:36:04.280
<v Speaker 3>to insist that there's still cash available. It's why people

0:36:04.400 --> 0:36:08.560
<v Speaker 3>still do use cash because, as you can say, and

0:36:08.600 --> 0:36:11.600
<v Speaker 3>this is the risk behind cyber attacks, and you know,

0:36:11.719 --> 0:36:14.960
<v Speaker 3>all by having everything online and I'm guilty of it,

0:36:15.000 --> 0:36:18.000
<v Speaker 3>I mean most of us are, but it is you know,

0:36:18.120 --> 0:36:20.320
<v Speaker 3>there's a real issue there that you if you cannot

0:36:20.400 --> 0:36:24.560
<v Speaker 3>access your money, there's got to be some consequences for this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's again it's like now again, there's a mistake here, right,

0:36:29.920 --> 0:36:32.000
<v Speaker 1>So it's not like that turned around and they're fraudulently

0:36:32.040 --> 0:36:35.319
<v Speaker 1>offering a service that I understand. But this is one

0:36:35.360 --> 0:36:38.319
<v Speaker 1>of those perfect examples about how our regulatory framework has

0:36:38.360 --> 0:36:42.680
<v Speaker 1>not moved with the times, where obviously if you can't

0:36:42.719 --> 0:36:44.640
<v Speaker 1>walk into the branch here, then you go over to

0:36:44.640 --> 0:36:46.680
<v Speaker 1>the branch a couple of suburbs, but of course they

0:36:46.680 --> 0:36:47.800
<v Speaker 1>don't exist anymore.

0:36:48.239 --> 0:36:50.200
<v Speaker 6>It is well known that you will change your spouse.

0:36:50.280 --> 0:36:52.120
<v Speaker 6>On average, you will change your spouse more than you

0:36:52.120 --> 0:36:52.960
<v Speaker 6>will change your bank.

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<v Speaker 1>On average.

0:36:54.840 --> 0:36:56.759
<v Speaker 6>You will change your spouse or you will change your bank.

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<v Speaker 6>And they know that there is nothing built into the

0:36:58.719 --> 0:37:00.839
<v Speaker 6>system that says, oh, I'm going to shop around, AB

0:37:00.920 --> 0:37:02.600
<v Speaker 6>has better performance, so I'll go to Come one hundred

0:37:02.719 --> 0:37:04.640
<v Speaker 6>n They know they've got you for life. So where's

0:37:04.680 --> 0:37:07.480
<v Speaker 6>the intended in twenty ten? The if you think back

0:37:07.520 --> 0:37:10.239
<v Speaker 6>before twenty ten, you remember how you used to get

0:37:10.239 --> 0:37:12.680
<v Speaker 6>those breakdowns at the ports where you'd get the trucks

0:37:13.120 --> 0:37:15.799
<v Speaker 6>queuing for days. It seemed well, in twenty ten we

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<v Speaker 6>changed it and we said if the lands, if the

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<v Speaker 6>port botany operator, so you know P and O or

0:37:22.400 --> 0:37:25.319
<v Speaker 6>Patrick's if they kept the truck drivers waiting longer than

0:37:25.360 --> 0:37:27.840
<v Speaker 6>thirty minutes, then they owed the truck driver money. The

0:37:27.880 --> 0:37:28.759
<v Speaker 6>other way around was always in.

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<v Speaker 1>Finally, guess what fun enough?

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<v Speaker 6>What has never happened since twenty ten?

0:37:32.320 --> 0:37:33.160
<v Speaker 1>We brought that in.

0:37:33.239 --> 0:37:36.600
<v Speaker 6>Every single time a crane's gone down, they fixed it.

0:37:36.680 --> 0:37:38.719
<v Speaker 6>They figured out a way to fix it. So similarly,

0:37:38.840 --> 0:37:42.000
<v Speaker 6>if you put the market mechanism in place, to say,

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<v Speaker 6>for airlines, think about that.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're for your plane, you miss your plane too bad,

0:37:46.440 --> 0:37:49.759
<v Speaker 1>you get a penalty. But if quantas is running, you know,

0:37:49.960 --> 0:37:52.319
<v Speaker 1>two three hours later they caunce you flight well, too

0:37:52.360 --> 0:37:54.600
<v Speaker 1>bad for you well, and don't forget you know, during

0:37:54.640 --> 0:37:56.680
<v Speaker 1>GFC all the rest of it. We've underwritten these banks,

0:37:56.719 --> 0:37:59.120
<v Speaker 1>We've turned around and guaranteed deposits, all the rest of it. Right,

0:37:59.200 --> 0:38:01.759
<v Speaker 1>So again, I just think, you know, perhaps you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if there's anyone with access to a parliament, just you know,

0:38:04.719 --> 0:38:07.319
<v Speaker 1>you know a one a for her which says, you know,

0:38:07.400 --> 0:38:09.040
<v Speaker 1>if you fail to do it, then you can't charge

0:38:09.040 --> 0:38:11.280
<v Speaker 1>a tap and go for thirty days, Jess, they would see,

0:38:11.360 --> 0:38:13.839
<v Speaker 1>they would see some things change. All right, Let's talk

0:38:13.840 --> 0:38:17.799
<v Speaker 1>about the weakness that was exposed by the Senator who

0:38:18.200 --> 0:38:20.239
<v Speaker 1>is determined to break the rules that she agreed to.

0:38:20.560 --> 0:38:24.360
<v Speaker 1>Perfect millennial behavior join an organization only to pretend that

0:38:24.440 --> 0:38:26.360
<v Speaker 1>you don't have to play by the rules of everyone

0:38:26.360 --> 0:38:30.000
<v Speaker 1>else because you're special and the cause is special. Now again,

0:38:30.160 --> 0:38:32.719
<v Speaker 1>it has been a little bit hilarious watching people on

0:38:33.160 --> 0:38:37.080
<v Speaker 1>TV pretending that, oh, the Labor Party rules are being

0:38:37.160 --> 0:38:41.239
<v Speaker 1>fractional goodness for me, like normal people who cares? Like

0:38:41.360 --> 0:38:45.080
<v Speaker 1>who cares? Because we know that she will inevitably end

0:38:45.160 --> 0:38:47.600
<v Speaker 1>up breaking away from the Labor Party, but she'll keep

0:38:47.680 --> 0:38:49.640
<v Speaker 1>voting with the Labor Party. Do you want to see

0:38:49.680 --> 0:38:51.799
<v Speaker 1>think that Fatima is going to end up backing in

0:38:51.920 --> 0:38:56.560
<v Speaker 1>one Nation or the United Australian Party or the Liberal

0:38:56.560 --> 0:39:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Party when they have motions about Senate inquiries into COVID.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think so. You of course work in the

0:39:02.520 --> 0:39:05.360
<v Speaker 1>same building, in the same place. So again we can

0:39:05.400 --> 0:39:07.239
<v Speaker 1>talk about the Prime minister weakness and all the rest

0:39:07.239 --> 0:39:10.480
<v Speaker 1>of you. But Senator, Okay, if she breaks off, her

0:39:10.480 --> 0:39:12.719
<v Speaker 1>political career will go as long as we one and

0:39:12.800 --> 0:39:16.480
<v Speaker 1>a bit terms, then it'll evaporate. She'll vote with Labor

0:39:16.560 --> 0:39:19.920
<v Speaker 1>all the way. So are we putting too much into this?

0:39:19.960 --> 0:39:23.080
<v Speaker 1>And it's a little bubble within a bubble sort of chat.

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<v Speaker 3>Look at is I mean, I guess it is a

0:39:26.320 --> 0:39:30.520
<v Speaker 3>bit inside the Beltway. But even tonight, you know, we're

0:39:30.520 --> 0:39:34.839
<v Speaker 3>still in the building. The debate over live exports going

0:39:34.880 --> 0:39:37.799
<v Speaker 3>to be guillotined at ten pm, which means no one

0:39:37.800 --> 0:39:40.520
<v Speaker 3>gets to talk about it anymore. There's no committee stage.

0:39:40.560 --> 0:39:43.680
<v Speaker 3>We just go and vote on it and Senator Payment

0:39:43.880 --> 0:39:46.680
<v Speaker 3>will not be voting, so there is actually a loss

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<v Speaker 3>of a vote for the government there. So there you know,

0:39:50.760 --> 0:39:53.000
<v Speaker 3>there are issues for them now that they need to

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<v Speaker 3>deal with. But she's certainly cozied more up to the Greens,

0:39:57.840 --> 0:40:00.160
<v Speaker 3>so I certainly can't say her if she jumps she

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<v Speaker 3>looking to do anything on the conservative side of politics,

0:40:04.800 --> 0:40:08.319
<v Speaker 3>she would be cozying up to the Greens, moving more

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<v Speaker 3>to the left and behaving as pathetically and appalling as

0:40:12.560 --> 0:40:13.520
<v Speaker 3>they do every day.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, but also she's going to end up on this

0:40:15.640 --> 0:40:20.200
<v Speaker 1>particular issue and the things around it as Thorpe is

0:40:20.239 --> 0:40:22.600
<v Speaker 1>when it comes to her issues and when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>away from the Greens. But Sam, I've got to say,

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<v Speaker 1>I use the term gas lighting. A lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>know what that means.

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<v Speaker 6>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>It's basically been completely like to right. The PM today

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<v Speaker 1>said he didn't punish her because she was going to

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<v Speaker 1>cross the floor, but because she was distracting from the

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<v Speaker 1>tax cuts. I didn't hear that.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, look, but no, no, no, At the end of

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<v Speaker 6>the day, her position was untenable. Yeah, right, it was untenable.

0:40:47.239 --> 0:40:50.279
<v Speaker 1>Why can't he just say she's breaking the rules, that's

0:40:50.320 --> 0:40:53.120
<v Speaker 1>why we're booting her up the backside, and you're not

0:40:53.160 --> 0:40:56.240
<v Speaker 1>going to lose all these Western Sydney seats. The concept

0:40:56.280 --> 0:40:59.160
<v Speaker 1>that all Islamic people all believe the same.

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<v Speaker 6>Thing, and it's rubbish, you know, I genuinely don't think

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<v Speaker 6>it has anything at all to do with the issue.

0:41:03.600 --> 0:41:05.600
<v Speaker 6>She's free to go into the party room and argue

0:41:05.600 --> 0:41:07.880
<v Speaker 6>whatever the issue is. And I dare say, I know

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<v Speaker 6>for a fact that a number of Labor senators and

0:41:10.960 --> 0:41:14.000
<v Speaker 6>members agree one million percent with her on the issue.

0:41:14.200 --> 0:41:16.840
<v Speaker 6>But the whole point of being in a party is

0:41:16.840 --> 0:41:19.600
<v Speaker 6>that the party will vote with the majority. And that's

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<v Speaker 6>the end of it what I would say on this.

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<v Speaker 6>And because I don't want to join a pylon here

0:41:24.320 --> 0:41:27.080
<v Speaker 6>and I am, I'm a little bit torn on this one,

0:41:27.120 --> 0:41:29.600
<v Speaker 6>because DOMI wrong. I think her position is untenable. She

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<v Speaker 6>should absolutely be removed.

0:41:31.800 --> 0:41:35.840
<v Speaker 1>For its resilience on tap chat after.

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<v Speaker 6>Two sure, sure, just hear me out for one second.

0:41:39.760 --> 0:41:42.479
<v Speaker 6>At some point you've got to step back and say, Okay,

0:41:42.520 --> 0:41:45.759
<v Speaker 6>she's twenty nine years old and she's been in the

0:41:45.800 --> 0:41:49.839
<v Speaker 6>parliament for two years. Now, any other job, you get

0:41:49.880 --> 0:41:51.719
<v Speaker 6>a twenty nine year old in there, who's been in

0:41:51.719 --> 0:41:53.480
<v Speaker 6>the job for two years, you put all sorts of

0:41:53.480 --> 0:41:56.440
<v Speaker 6>supports around them, training and mentorships and blah blah blah.

0:41:56.440 --> 0:41:58.160
<v Speaker 6>I don't think, I don't think, I know for a fact,

0:41:58.239 --> 0:42:00.600
<v Speaker 6>we don't do that in any party, in any parliament

0:42:00.760 --> 0:42:04.320
<v Speaker 6>in the country. That she was genuinely, I think surprised

0:42:04.640 --> 0:42:07.160
<v Speaker 6>at when what being removed from the party room meant,

0:42:07.200 --> 0:42:08.960
<v Speaker 6>which does mean, yes, you cut off the WhatsApp, you

0:42:09.000 --> 0:42:11.640
<v Speaker 6>cut off the whips list, you cut off I think

0:42:11.680 --> 0:42:15.200
<v Speaker 6>she just knew that she is so right and true

0:42:15.640 --> 0:42:18.040
<v Speaker 6>that I've got a whole bunch of ways to fight

0:42:18.160 --> 0:42:21.160
<v Speaker 6>back when I get criticized for doing what to do.

0:42:21.200 --> 0:42:23.239
<v Speaker 6>But again, that's look again, the numbers don't change in

0:42:23.280 --> 0:42:24.960
<v Speaker 6>the Senate, even if she's not going to be part

0:42:24.960 --> 0:42:27.040
<v Speaker 6>of the Labor Party, that the left wing block stays

0:42:27.040 --> 0:42:29.480
<v Speaker 6>in place. Right, so the governmentill continue to do what

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<v Speaker 6>it does. Also, just quickly, I want to talk about

0:42:32.880 --> 0:42:35.640
<v Speaker 6>the live sheep export thing, right because again this vote

0:42:35.680 --> 0:42:37.960
<v Speaker 6>comes up in about fifteen minutes time, most likely Green

0:42:38.040 --> 0:42:38.759
<v Speaker 6>to pocock.

0:42:38.480 --> 0:42:40.360
<v Speaker 1>All the rest of it. They turn around and end

0:42:40.480 --> 0:42:43.080
<v Speaker 1>up putting the sword to the industry. But can I

0:42:43.120 --> 0:42:45.680
<v Speaker 1>just quickly talk about Kate Chaney. She's the teal from

0:42:45.719 --> 0:42:48.400
<v Speaker 1>Western Australia in the seat that I think Juli Buership

0:42:48.400 --> 0:42:50.520
<v Speaker 1>had at one point in time in the Lower House.

0:42:50.920 --> 0:42:54.120
<v Speaker 1>She's all gung ho about, you know, killing it off

0:42:54.160 --> 0:42:57.400
<v Speaker 1>because that's you know, what the love's wanted. Then she

0:42:57.480 --> 0:43:00.279
<v Speaker 1>turns around and pretends she's changed her mind.

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<v Speaker 4>That's on the evidence I've seen. In the last year,

0:43:04.800 --> 0:43:07.640
<v Speaker 4>I laid out the arguments for and against and said

0:43:07.719 --> 0:43:11.000
<v Speaker 4>on balance I would support the ban. Since then, I've

0:43:11.040 --> 0:43:13.680
<v Speaker 4>changed my mind, And the last few days I've heard

0:43:13.719 --> 0:43:17.920
<v Speaker 4>so many stories from constituents and other Western Australians about

0:43:17.920 --> 0:43:20.799
<v Speaker 4>the very real impacts of ban would have on them

0:43:21.360 --> 0:43:25.200
<v Speaker 4>on their livelihoods, their mental health, their families and their communities.

0:43:26.160 --> 0:43:28.520
<v Speaker 4>If the industry were to continue. I would want to

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<v Speaker 4>see strong oversight and better measures of sheep welfare than

0:43:32.239 --> 0:43:33.080
<v Speaker 4>just mortality.

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<v Speaker 1>But you see, of course, the reason that she's been

0:43:36.360 --> 0:43:38.759
<v Speaker 1>able to change her mind is because she knows that

0:43:38.840 --> 0:43:40.600
<v Speaker 1>she's going to get what she really wants when the

0:43:40.640 --> 0:43:44.279
<v Speaker 1>Senate votes, which is pretty pea week right, quick break

0:43:44.280 --> 0:43:45.920
<v Speaker 1>back with moorn here in a moment on pulmriray line.

0:43:45.920 --> 0:43:48.440
<v Speaker 1>Pleenty to talk about, including should Joe stay or go?

0:43:48.600 --> 0:43:55.160
<v Speaker 1>Looking forward to it next? All right, I've held it

0:43:55.160 --> 0:43:57.200
<v Speaker 1>off for long enough. Let's talk about Joe Biden, Sam

0:43:57.239 --> 0:44:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Crosby looking forward to four more years of the greatest

0:44:00.000 --> 0:44:04.080
<v Speaker 1>presidents all time, a vibrant candidacy, and of course Holly Hughes,

0:44:04.080 --> 0:44:07.200
<v Speaker 1>who's standing by in the Senate in Canberra, who's just

0:44:07.320 --> 0:44:09.319
<v Speaker 1>enjoying the fun that's happening right now. So let's say

0:44:09.400 --> 0:44:10.719
<v Speaker 1>not muck around saying.

0:44:10.560 --> 0:44:13.400
<v Speaker 6>The state of American democracy is not strong, is it not?

0:44:13.640 --> 0:44:17.399
<v Speaker 6>You know, yes, we've all seen the clips of Joe

0:44:17.520 --> 0:44:22.560
<v Speaker 6>stumbling and bubbling through the debate, the image of two

0:44:22.600 --> 0:44:25.319
<v Speaker 6>of them arguing about who's got the better golf game.

0:44:25.920 --> 0:44:30.080
<v Speaker 6>It was genuinely bizarre, genuinely strange, and you think this

0:44:30.120 --> 0:44:33.560
<v Speaker 6>is you know, what would Vladimir Putin or presidency be

0:44:33.680 --> 0:44:36.680
<v Speaker 6>thinking watching this, saying one of these guys is the

0:44:36.760 --> 0:44:37.840
<v Speaker 6>next president?

0:44:39.360 --> 0:44:42.640
<v Speaker 1>What the presidents for life in both scenarios. Sure, okay,

0:44:42.880 --> 0:44:48.200
<v Speaker 1>so what we're watching now, family blame everyone else. They're

0:44:48.239 --> 0:44:50.040
<v Speaker 1>the ones who decided to keep him out there, right,

0:44:50.680 --> 0:44:53.400
<v Speaker 1>Staff blaming the makeup art and the makeup artists, all

0:44:53.400 --> 0:44:56.320
<v Speaker 1>the makeup artists. We don't know. We're not in the family,

0:44:56.320 --> 0:44:59.600
<v Speaker 1>all the rest of it. But it feels like the

0:44:59.719 --> 0:45:04.080
<v Speaker 1>media freak out publicly is louder than the machine freakout,

0:45:04.360 --> 0:45:08.480
<v Speaker 1>which is apparently quite loud behind the scenes. So does

0:45:08.520 --> 0:45:10.840
<v Speaker 1>he get another chance? Do you think it's a sooner

0:45:10.960 --> 0:45:12.960
<v Speaker 1>rather than later, or this is a long burn? If

0:45:13.000 --> 0:45:13.719
<v Speaker 1>there is to be a.

0:45:13.680 --> 0:45:16.239
<v Speaker 6>Chair, I think he's sneaked himself. And I think he

0:45:16.280 --> 0:45:18.080
<v Speaker 6>was snooked as soon as he put Carmela Harris in

0:45:18.120 --> 0:45:21.200
<v Speaker 6>the ticket four or five years ago. Correct, So if

0:45:21.200 --> 0:45:24.160
<v Speaker 6>he were to pull out at any stage, I genuinely

0:45:24.239 --> 0:45:26.040
<v Speaker 6>and I see these people with their flights of fancy

0:45:26.040 --> 0:45:28.520
<v Speaker 6>saying I'm Michelle Obama or this purpose, it's not going

0:45:28.600 --> 0:45:30.840
<v Speaker 6>to happen. If he pulls out, it'll be Karmela Harris

0:45:31.200 --> 0:45:34.239
<v Speaker 6>almost certainly correct. And if that happens, I think that's

0:45:34.280 --> 0:45:36.680
<v Speaker 6>a worse outcome. For them than Joe, even in his

0:45:37.440 --> 0:45:38.200
<v Speaker 6>diminished state.

0:45:38.360 --> 0:45:40.960
<v Speaker 1>So Holly again, right, Like we look at the data,

0:45:41.000 --> 0:45:42.480
<v Speaker 1>we talk about it all the time. It's not about

0:45:42.480 --> 0:45:45.200
<v Speaker 1>fifty states. It's not about a two horse race. It's

0:45:45.200 --> 0:45:48.200
<v Speaker 1>a five horse race basically in five or six states.

0:45:49.680 --> 0:45:52.279
<v Speaker 1>We've also seen in America that in Pennsylvania in their

0:45:52.320 --> 0:45:54.799
<v Speaker 1>Senate election there's a guy called John Fetterman, he had

0:45:54.800 --> 0:45:58.440
<v Speaker 1>a stroke. It literally was a meat puppet versus a

0:45:58.560 --> 0:46:02.920
<v Speaker 1>TV doctor. Everyone just goes to their corners. Yes, independence,

0:46:03.000 --> 0:46:04.840
<v Speaker 1>they all saw what they saw, right, and I think

0:46:05.160 --> 0:46:07.080
<v Speaker 1>on lore of averages they're going to go Trump's way

0:46:07.400 --> 0:46:09.799
<v Speaker 1>right now. But what does it tell you about the

0:46:09.840 --> 0:46:14.160
<v Speaker 1>sort of institutional way that kind of people who talk

0:46:14.200 --> 0:46:16.880
<v Speaker 1>about politics for a living freak out on TV. But

0:46:16.880 --> 0:46:19.279
<v Speaker 1>then the people who should be saying the Emperor has

0:46:19.320 --> 0:46:21.960
<v Speaker 1>no clothes all go out on TV and say it

0:46:22.160 --> 0:46:23.880
<v Speaker 1>just was one bad night.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it was a pretty bad night. And I don't

0:46:28.680 --> 0:46:31.239
<v Speaker 3>know if you watched the whole thing where when I

0:46:31.280 --> 0:46:33.120
<v Speaker 3>was in an inquiry, so I didn't get to watch

0:46:33.160 --> 0:46:35.200
<v Speaker 3>it all, but I did over the weekend, and I've

0:46:35.200 --> 0:46:37.359
<v Speaker 3>got to tell you it took me quite a way

0:46:37.400 --> 0:46:39.840
<v Speaker 3>to get through it. Because it was just so painful

0:46:39.880 --> 0:46:42.960
<v Speaker 3>to watch and it get paused and I go back

0:46:42.960 --> 0:46:47.080
<v Speaker 3>because I mean, it was just incredible to watch the performance.

0:46:47.120 --> 0:46:50.360
<v Speaker 3>And I think, to Sam's point, the golf swing and

0:46:50.400 --> 0:46:53.319
<v Speaker 3>the handicap was I think a phenomenal part of it.

0:46:53.440 --> 0:46:57.919
<v Speaker 3>Just very very strange. But the blame now that's being

0:46:57.960 --> 0:47:01.520
<v Speaker 3>cast around on why he had such a night is

0:47:01.600 --> 0:47:05.200
<v Speaker 3>quite frankly ridiculous. I mean, he's a professional, He's been

0:47:05.200 --> 0:47:08.880
<v Speaker 3>doing this for four decades. There's no way you don't

0:47:08.920 --> 0:47:11.319
<v Speaker 3>know which camera is on you to look down at

0:47:11.360 --> 0:47:15.359
<v Speaker 3>that point in time. It's just it's just it's fascical.

0:47:15.800 --> 0:47:19.920
<v Speaker 3>But to the point about Kamala Harris, they've the Democrats

0:47:19.960 --> 0:47:22.520
<v Speaker 3>have been out over the past couple of days since

0:47:22.560 --> 0:47:27.160
<v Speaker 3>the debate, raising millions and millions of dollars and under

0:47:27.560 --> 0:47:31.160
<v Speaker 3>campaign finance law that cannot be used for any other

0:47:31.239 --> 0:47:32.680
<v Speaker 3>candidate other than Joe.

0:47:32.440 --> 0:47:37.040
<v Speaker 1>Biden or great points. So you know, all of this.

0:47:37.120 --> 0:47:39.520
<v Speaker 3>Money that they've been raising, if they're going to make

0:47:39.560 --> 0:47:41.400
<v Speaker 3>a change, they're going to have to make it sooner

0:47:41.480 --> 0:47:43.960
<v Speaker 3>rather than later, because that war chest is going to

0:47:44.000 --> 0:47:49.080
<v Speaker 3>be very very empty if they wait until August, you know,

0:47:49.160 --> 0:47:50.799
<v Speaker 3>and they're going to have all this money that they

0:47:50.800 --> 0:47:52.600
<v Speaker 3>can't use put aside for Biden.

0:47:52.760 --> 0:47:55.359
<v Speaker 1>That is such a brilliant point because again, basically we're

0:47:55.400 --> 0:47:57.680
<v Speaker 1>in a scenario where he's doing any and everything he

0:47:57.719 --> 0:48:01.880
<v Speaker 1>can to fortify himself when the debate was it, when

0:48:01.920 --> 0:48:03.960
<v Speaker 1>the convention is, be it who the vice president is

0:48:03.960 --> 0:48:06.440
<v Speaker 1>be it via the money. And also he knows that

0:48:06.480 --> 0:48:09.040
<v Speaker 1>when push comes to shove, all the people who want

0:48:09.080 --> 0:48:10.920
<v Speaker 1>to take over in four years time are all going

0:48:10.960 --> 0:48:13.040
<v Speaker 1>to have to back him now for the hope that

0:48:13.480 --> 0:48:16.160
<v Speaker 1>should he win or even should he lose, that he

0:48:16.200 --> 0:48:19.719
<v Speaker 1>gets to put his machine behind them. It's fascinating to watch.

0:48:19.760 --> 0:48:22.480
<v Speaker 1>But again, the big news tonight two hours from now,

0:48:22.520 --> 0:48:24.959
<v Speaker 1>at Supreme Court comes out and makes this decision about

0:48:24.960 --> 0:48:28.440
<v Speaker 1>whether presidential immunity means anything you do while you're the

0:48:28.440 --> 0:48:31.400
<v Speaker 1>president you can never be held legally responsible for, or

0:48:31.440 --> 0:48:36.080
<v Speaker 1>whether there's some sort of midpoint and the charges would

0:48:36.160 --> 0:48:39.160
<v Speaker 1>stay in things like say a January sixth. That'll be fascinating.

0:48:39.320 --> 0:48:40.880
<v Speaker 1>You'll see the details in the middle of the night,

0:48:40.920 --> 0:48:42.719
<v Speaker 1>if like me, you'll be doing an all nighter, or

0:48:42.760 --> 0:48:45.040
<v Speaker 1>you'll see it tomorrow morning with Pete Stefanovic. Thank you

0:48:45.160 --> 0:48:48.479
<v Speaker 1>very much, Senator, Future Senator, we will see you again

0:48:48.520 --> 0:48:50.719
<v Speaker 1>tomorrow night. Get ready for the late debate here on

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