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Speaker 1: Yes, welcome to the Clinck Season sixteen. A phenomenal season.

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Speaker 1: pull it out, as opposed to the others or the

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00:21:34,561 --> 00:21:36,721
Speaker 1: ones that you know are going to be protected most

431
00:21:36,761 --> 00:21:40,961
Speaker 1: from mum. Yeah, it's nature, isn't Human nature is very similar.

432
00:21:41,321 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 1: You walk, like you said, you were bullied things like that,

433
00:21:44,321 --> 00:21:47,881
Speaker 1: you know, you walk into a yard or if you're

434
00:21:47,921 --> 00:21:50,161
Speaker 1: the vulnerable kid, they'll pick your mile away and it's

435
00:21:50,201 --> 00:21:52,561
Speaker 1: a terrible thing because people pray on it.

436
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,801
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, but if you're ability is a weakness

437
00:21:55,801 --> 00:21:56,361
Speaker 4: where it's not.

438
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,521
Speaker 1: Nah, it can be very dangerous and it can switch

439
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,440
Speaker 1: up real quick, and that vulnerable little person can become

440
00:22:02,481 --> 00:22:06,881
Speaker 1: the most lethal little motherfucker you've ever come across the Yeah,

441
00:22:06,921 --> 00:22:09,440
Speaker 1: and you know, getting into your story is just going

442
00:22:09,521 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 1: to be mind blowing because so many different stages in

443
00:22:13,120 --> 00:22:16,400
Speaker 1: your journey to date and it relates and hearing this

444
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:20,120
Speaker 1: now I can start to see, you know, from my

445
00:22:20,241 --> 00:22:22,360
Speaker 1: point view of just might what I know, which is

446
00:22:22,360 --> 00:22:27,600
Speaker 1: a minuscule, you know, but understanding why you become so

447
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:31,920
Speaker 1: so lethal and so strong and like, guys, this is

448
00:22:31,961 --> 00:22:36,281
Speaker 1: a man whom everybody can go and train and jump

449
00:22:36,321 --> 00:22:39,241
Speaker 1: in the ring and do things. And you've you've really

450
00:22:39,281 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 1: fucking stepped it up to certain levels, you know, like

451
00:22:43,120 --> 00:22:46,121
Speaker 1: you know, eight man events and titles and stepping into

452
00:22:46,120 --> 00:22:49,440
Speaker 1: heavyweight bouts and you know, like full on king of

453
00:22:49,481 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 1: the streets and then you know, like the real tough

454
00:22:51,921 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 1: man shit like you're not.

455
00:22:54,921 --> 00:22:58,321
Speaker 4: That's pretty crazy, luch Man. It's it was. It was fun.

456
00:22:58,441 --> 00:23:01,160
Speaker 4: It was fun and challenging and got me out of

457
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 4: my comfort zone. All that stuff, you know, all my

458
00:23:03,281 --> 00:23:05,041
Speaker 4: sports that I do gets me out of that comfort zone.

459
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:06,880
Speaker 4: And that's like, that's the thing I'm the only thing

460
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,640
Speaker 4: I'm scared of in life is being normal, you know,

461
00:23:09,801 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 4: being comfortable. That's the only thing that scares me is

462
00:23:13,001 --> 00:23:17,761
Speaker 4: being the norm, you know, and living life comfortably and

463
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,880
Speaker 4: having fears of not trying stuff because I didn't want

464
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 4: to go out of my comfort zone. You know, I

465
00:23:24,201 --> 00:23:27,561
Speaker 4: can't highly recommend that enough to people, like be uncomfortable.

466
00:23:27,561 --> 00:23:29,521
Speaker 4: That's what life's about, getting uncomfortable.

467
00:23:29,521 --> 00:23:31,561
Speaker 1: It's actually I find it fun.

468
00:23:31,721 --> 00:23:33,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love it. Yeah, I actually love it, like

469
00:23:33,521 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 4: you're out your best once you Yeah, And just I

470
00:23:35,921 --> 00:23:38,201
Speaker 4: love pushing people's I love pushing my limits. I love

471
00:23:38,241 --> 00:23:40,880
Speaker 4: pushing people's limits. And I love seeing people around me

472
00:23:41,761 --> 00:23:43,241
Speaker 4: do stuff that they didn't think they could do, you know,

473
00:23:43,321 --> 00:23:45,801
Speaker 4: especially when more training and just pushing people and they

474
00:23:45,801 --> 00:23:47,360
Speaker 4: thought they were out there. You know, that was it.

475
00:23:47,441 --> 00:23:49,721
Speaker 4: I can't give any more. Its like bullshit that much.

476
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just like ten percent and you've got ninety

477
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:53,041
Speaker 1: to go, buddy.

478
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,361
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's all I get past it. And it's

479
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,281
Speaker 4: just like and now you see them thinking like, whoa,

480
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,761
Speaker 4: I am more powerful than I thought I was. I

481
00:24:00,801 --> 00:24:03,321
Speaker 4: am fitter, I am better than I thought I was.

482
00:24:03,360 --> 00:24:07,001
Speaker 4: I love seeing that in people. It's so like, you know,

483
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,041
Speaker 4: it's just such an amazing feeling to see.

484
00:24:09,681 --> 00:24:13,281
Speaker 1: I've had the honor of seeing you train some phenomenal athletes.

485
00:24:13,360 --> 00:24:16,841
Speaker 1: And when I say trained, I mean I don't look

486
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,841
Speaker 1: at you as this pet guy, you know, fucking look

487
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,281
Speaker 1: at me I'm fucking flex Gordon, and you know, guys,

488
00:24:22,321 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: we're going to do fifty sit ups and push you

489
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 1: get into people's heads. It's just what you do. And

490
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 1: I think that that right there is so powerful. What

491
00:24:34,921 --> 00:24:37,241
Speaker 1: you know? For me, I want to know more about that.

492
00:24:37,321 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 1: Coming through your late teams into early adulthood. Was that

493
00:24:42,761 --> 00:24:46,201
Speaker 1: where you started, as you said, taking that victimization away

494
00:24:46,241 --> 00:24:48,120
Speaker 1: that you know, I am not going to be the

495
00:24:48,201 --> 00:24:51,360
Speaker 1: victim here? Is that where you started to get into

496
00:24:51,360 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 1: a bit of discipline with your anger and started to find,

497
00:24:55,120 --> 00:24:57,841
Speaker 1: for example, muay Thai, which I know that you were

498
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,201
Speaker 1: an absolute champion and still I'm sure you could quite

499
00:25:01,241 --> 00:25:04,921
Speaker 1: comfortably jump the ropes tomorrow. Is that where that sort

500
00:25:04,921 --> 00:25:07,521
Speaker 1: of so again for you, that journey after the wakeboarding,

501
00:25:07,681 --> 00:25:10,041
Speaker 1: sort of chasing that sort of adrenaline rush from that

502
00:25:10,120 --> 00:25:12,241
Speaker 1: scene into that combat sport.

503
00:25:12,521 --> 00:25:15,121
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, for sure. Like I was the wakeboarding thing

504
00:25:15,721 --> 00:25:19,561
Speaker 4: was around, you know, the twenties, early twenties, I still

505
00:25:19,681 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 4: was going out drinking a little bit. Then. You know,

506
00:25:22,281 --> 00:25:25,561
Speaker 4: then when I had that really good reason now is

507
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 4: that I was going to lose much. She was going

508
00:25:26,721 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 4: to leave me, and I was like, all right, well

509
00:25:27,761 --> 00:25:29,881
Speaker 4: I need to stop drinking as much as I am,

510
00:25:30,001 --> 00:25:33,521
Speaker 4: and I need to start getting disciplined. You know. I

511
00:25:33,561 --> 00:25:35,721
Speaker 4: was getting in trouble with the law a few times,

512
00:25:35,761 --> 00:25:39,041
Speaker 4: you know, getting done for assault and drugs and all

513
00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:42,561
Speaker 4: those stupid things that we do. And it was there

514
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,681
Speaker 4: was just a tipping point of like I said, could

515
00:25:45,441 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 4: I keep being undisciplined or keep going down this path

516
00:25:48,481 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 4: or I could use this energy that I've got, use

517
00:25:50,761 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 4: this aggression that I've got, And that's where you know,

518
00:25:54,721 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 4: with the fighting. And it did and I started pushing that.

519
00:25:58,041 --> 00:26:00,001
Speaker 4: I've always been disciplined of what I did. I always

520
00:26:00,001 --> 00:26:01,400
Speaker 4: did everything to the fullest. You know, if I was

521
00:26:01,441 --> 00:26:02,561
Speaker 4: going to be a dickhead, I was going to be

522
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 4: the biggest dickhead there was. Yeah, yeah, you know. To

523
00:26:05,241 --> 00:26:06,721
Speaker 4: play footy, I was going to go for that ball

524
00:26:06,761 --> 00:26:09,921
Speaker 4: as hard as you possibly could. Like it always been

525
00:26:10,001 --> 00:26:13,961
Speaker 4: like that. But yeah, muy, time really let me focus

526
00:26:14,041 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 4: that the discipline everything into this one because.

527
00:26:16,681 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 1: You sort of came into it quite late. Really for

528
00:26:18,921 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 1: the level, the level that you got to and the

529
00:26:21,961 --> 00:26:25,521
Speaker 1: records that you hold and they are yours titles, maybe

530
00:26:25,521 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 1: you've got some amazing achievements in this sport. Most people

531
00:26:30,241 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 1: dream of having and it all happened like this just

532
00:26:35,041 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 1: cyclone of just wow, Yeah, Louch's fucking smashing it. You know,

533
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,641
Speaker 1: the life of living in Thailand, the doccos made about

534
00:26:42,681 --> 00:26:47,360
Speaker 1: you and your family, just every achievement. Most people start

535
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,161
Speaker 1: at young ages and they they work their way up

536
00:26:50,201 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: to get to even slightly party the level you come

537
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,321
Speaker 1: in as a fucking hurricane mate, and just took over.

538
00:26:58,681 --> 00:27:01,360
Speaker 1: Do you put that down to just you as a

539
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 1: man and the understanding what you were capable of or

540
00:27:04,441 --> 00:27:09,001
Speaker 1: do you feel that the earlier parts of life, the

541
00:27:09,681 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: trauma and the pain and the hurt, drove you into

542
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: that sort of being able to just fucking.

543
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 4: Go for it. Well, definitely, it definitely drove me into it.

544
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 4: But what it was was like what am I like?

545
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 4: I don't I'd have never understood what I'm capable of.

546
00:27:23,921 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 4: And that's the beauty because I'm like, Okay, maybe I

547
00:27:26,281 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 4: can be go more And if I dedicate myself one

548
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 4: hundred percent of something, how fucking fun can I go?

549
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 4: And being with everything you know, wakeboard, I was never

550
00:27:33,241 --> 00:27:36,400
Speaker 4: the most talented, but I did big tricks because I

551
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 4: went hard with that. You know. Then unfortunately the body

552
00:27:38,801 --> 00:27:41,961
Speaker 4: gave way and then I did go like after wait,

553
00:27:42,041 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 4: after my fifth knee operation, like I got to one

554
00:27:44,761 --> 00:27:49,721
Speaker 4: hundred kilos, I was not training to press drinking again.

555
00:27:49,961 --> 00:27:52,561
Speaker 4: Like really, I was told sport was over for me.

556
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 4: You know, I will never do sport again. That was

557
00:27:54,120 --> 00:27:56,360
Speaker 4: like twenty five or something like that.

558
00:27:56,360 --> 00:27:57,801
Speaker 1: And obviously that was your outlet.

559
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was that. It was well that other than

560
00:28:00,721 --> 00:28:03,321
Speaker 4: it was drinking and fighting in the street, you know,

561
00:28:03,441 --> 00:28:05,001
Speaker 4: and before.

562
00:28:05,120 --> 00:28:07,761
Speaker 1: Good quality pingers back then, because they were that was

563
00:28:07,801 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: when you could take a pillow and enjoy it and

564
00:28:10,561 --> 00:28:11,721
Speaker 1: know that it was safe.

565
00:28:11,521 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 4: Double drop, double dip red dragons.

566
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: It was a good times.

567
00:28:24,201 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, like I guess, you know, I was

568
00:28:27,521 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 4: the outlet was alcohol again and whatnot. And then I

569
00:28:30,681 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 4: actually took my son and he was four years old

570
00:28:34,041 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 4: to the gym to train him. Uh and I was

571
00:28:36,961 --> 00:28:39,081
Speaker 4: like said overweight. I was still on crutches I think

572
00:28:39,081 --> 00:28:41,361
Speaker 4: at the time, and he started training. And then for

573
00:28:41,401 --> 00:28:44,361
Speaker 4: a couple of years after that, I went to some

574
00:28:44,401 --> 00:28:47,681
Speaker 4: amateur boxing as well, did a couple of amateur boxing fights.

575
00:28:47,881 --> 00:28:51,081
Speaker 4: Just started to come back and then hit my keeams.

576
00:28:51,121 --> 00:28:52,881
Speaker 4: My oldest son had a fight at seven years old,

577
00:28:52,881 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 4: and moy Thai fight yeah. I was like, man, this

578
00:28:56,521 --> 00:28:58,921
Speaker 4: is epic, this sport. All my mates did it, you know,

579
00:28:59,001 --> 00:29:01,281
Speaker 4: and I was like, let's go. And I started training

580
00:29:01,321 --> 00:29:02,961
Speaker 4: there and then that just gave me the focus, and

581
00:29:03,001 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 4: not only for myself, at having my son with me.

582
00:29:05,441 --> 00:29:09,161
Speaker 4: How good is that an example, you know, and of

583
00:29:09,201 --> 00:29:12,801
Speaker 4: what dedication is to training, and you know, we lead

584
00:29:12,841 --> 00:29:16,081
Speaker 4: by example. So I trained twice a day, six days.

585
00:29:16,841 --> 00:29:20,841
Speaker 1: You two together and look like I have a small

586
00:29:21,201 --> 00:29:24,121
Speaker 1: piece of my life where recommenlate. You know. I've got

587
00:29:24,281 --> 00:29:26,801
Speaker 1: two fight posters where I'm fighting. My son was fighting

588
00:29:26,801 --> 00:29:29,321
Speaker 1: the day before, you know, like and then he won

589
00:29:29,401 --> 00:29:31,841
Speaker 1: his fights that there's a photo of him being hand

590
00:29:31,921 --> 00:29:33,561
Speaker 1: up in the ring, and there's a photo of me

591
00:29:33,601 --> 00:29:37,041
Speaker 1: winning and my hand up. So it's I had a

592
00:29:37,081 --> 00:29:40,041
Speaker 1: small taste of that. But for you, yours was a

593
00:29:40,081 --> 00:29:44,761
Speaker 1: whole journey, you know, being dad, being a mate, being

594
00:29:44,801 --> 00:29:50,121
Speaker 1: a leader, being the protector, but also to allowing him

595
00:29:50,201 --> 00:29:55,161
Speaker 1: to learn and to protect himself. I guess, with your

596
00:29:55,201 --> 00:29:59,681
Speaker 1: watchful eye, how did it feel for you? I guess

597
00:29:59,761 --> 00:30:05,681
Speaker 1: as dad and I would. I don't like hit this

598
00:30:05,721 --> 00:30:09,321
Speaker 1: every time. I don't assume I hate the word. You know,

599
00:30:09,361 --> 00:30:11,401
Speaker 1: his dad. When you're in the corner and you're seeing

600
00:30:11,441 --> 00:30:13,281
Speaker 1: the sun cop on a few hits, and that you

601
00:30:13,321 --> 00:30:15,761
Speaker 1: get into that little bit of an edgy protective especially

602
00:30:15,761 --> 00:30:17,041
Speaker 1: when you're a fighter or you've got the fire in

603
00:30:17,081 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: your belly. It's hard, but you've got to hold it

604
00:30:19,241 --> 00:30:21,641
Speaker 1: back and let them fight their own feet. How was

605
00:30:21,681 --> 00:30:24,801
Speaker 1: it for you with a man with such such fire

606
00:30:24,801 --> 00:30:27,081
Speaker 1: in your belly, carrying a lot of anger, and you know,

607
00:30:27,201 --> 00:30:31,681
Speaker 1: like you're a hard man, And then you're sharing this

608
00:30:31,761 --> 00:30:34,841
Speaker 1: journey with your son. What were the things that you

609
00:30:34,881 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: were trying not to teach him but wanted him to

610
00:30:37,561 --> 00:30:38,561
Speaker 1: have so.

611
00:30:38,601 --> 00:30:42,601
Speaker 4: Yeah, succeed Yeah, a little of a dumb pack there.

612
00:30:42,641 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 4: But as a dad, like watching watching him in the

613
00:30:46,281 --> 00:30:48,161
Speaker 4: ring air it was like your pride and everything. But

614
00:30:48,321 --> 00:30:50,361
Speaker 4: in the ring it's a fucking lonely place, man, and

615
00:30:50,361 --> 00:30:54,241
Speaker 4: when you're getting beat, which you know he was at

616
00:30:54,241 --> 00:30:56,121
Speaker 4: the time one of the world's best fighters. You know,

617
00:30:56,241 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 4: he's incredibly still he could jump back in the ring

618
00:30:58,321 --> 00:31:01,481
Speaker 4: any day and take over, you know. But yeah, watching

619
00:31:01,561 --> 00:31:04,401
Speaker 4: him when when when you see him break mentally in

620
00:31:04,441 --> 00:31:06,561
Speaker 4: the ring is fucking hard. Just want to go in

621
00:31:06,601 --> 00:31:09,361
Speaker 4: and save him. But also he needs to learn what

622
00:31:09,441 --> 00:31:11,241
Speaker 4: life's about. Like the only way out of that ring

623
00:31:11,561 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 4: is by going down or going through your opponent, you know.

624
00:31:14,081 --> 00:31:15,601
Speaker 4: And that's what I really wanted to teach him, is

625
00:31:15,601 --> 00:31:18,201
Speaker 4: you could have chosen two different ways. You could have

626
00:31:18,321 --> 00:31:20,881
Speaker 4: just given up and gone down, or you fucking push

627
00:31:20,921 --> 00:31:22,841
Speaker 4: through and you go through your opponent, or you push through,

628
00:31:22,921 --> 00:31:24,521
Speaker 4: try to go through your Oponenty, he still knocks you out,

629
00:31:24,641 --> 00:31:28,081
Speaker 4: but you try how to go hawd to go. The

630
00:31:28,081 --> 00:31:30,961
Speaker 4: best things out of the combat sports is just committing

631
00:31:31,041 --> 00:31:33,401
Speaker 4: to everything. You know. You can't go in there half hearted.

632
00:31:33,401 --> 00:31:35,601
Speaker 4: And it was a good life lessons learn out of it.

633
00:31:35,641 --> 00:31:39,081
Speaker 4: You know, he's become the most incredible man. He's not

634
00:31:39,121 --> 00:31:47,281
Speaker 4: fighting anymore, living two identical twin boys, beautiful granddad.

635
00:31:47,361 --> 00:31:50,961
Speaker 1: He but with that were transferring that energy because obviously

636
00:31:51,441 --> 00:31:53,921
Speaker 1: you've raised your children very different to how you were raised.

637
00:31:55,121 --> 00:31:58,161
Speaker 1: Uh And and that's I guess how do you then

638
00:31:59,441 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: draw that line of having those young boys become men?

639
00:32:03,521 --> 00:32:06,921
Speaker 1: You know, especially in that scene, because you went into

640
00:32:06,961 --> 00:32:10,041
Speaker 1: it with a lot of adrenaline, a lot of anger,

641
00:32:10,321 --> 00:32:14,801
Speaker 1: a lot of trauma, wanting to exert it, you know,

642
00:32:14,841 --> 00:32:19,761
Speaker 1: and apply punishment upon your opponent with drive obviously. Yeah, Yeah,

643
00:32:20,041 --> 00:32:24,241
Speaker 1: that's a different mindset. I can totally respect and understand

644
00:32:24,281 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: that when you're in there, Like you said before, you know,

645
00:32:27,321 --> 00:32:28,921
Speaker 1: you'd stand there and get hit if you wanted to

646
00:32:28,961 --> 00:32:30,641
Speaker 1: get hit, you know what I mean, If you really

647
00:32:30,641 --> 00:32:33,121
Speaker 1: wanted to just leave your hands down and copper hit,

648
00:32:33,161 --> 00:32:34,841
Speaker 1: you could do it with a smile on your face

649
00:32:35,201 --> 00:32:42,641
Speaker 1: or leg kicks and just dog thing is you would

650
00:32:42,681 --> 00:32:46,361
Speaker 1: have this mindset and an adrenaline within your body just

651
00:32:46,401 --> 00:32:47,281
Speaker 1: say fuck you.

652
00:32:47,881 --> 00:32:50,121
Speaker 4: And it's different because my son fights way differently.

653
00:32:50,201 --> 00:32:52,601
Speaker 1: That's my point. So how do then do you shift

654
00:32:52,641 --> 00:32:58,361
Speaker 1: that that that energy of strength, mind strength, aggression, controlled

655
00:32:58,401 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: aggression and deliver that in the ring, but also remain

656
00:33:03,201 --> 00:33:06,681
Speaker 1: which was something you weren't taught to be just a

657
00:33:06,681 --> 00:33:10,081
Speaker 1: beautiful humble because you've had to learn that.

658
00:33:10,201 --> 00:33:12,601
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh mate, I learned it from losing in the ring,

659
00:33:12,841 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 4: like getting beat like you learn to be humble. And

660
00:33:16,081 --> 00:33:19,281
Speaker 4: sometimes you can you can train as hard as you can,

661
00:33:19,481 --> 00:33:21,921
Speaker 4: everything goes perfect, and you just lose to a better man.

662
00:33:22,041 --> 00:33:24,961
Speaker 4: And to realize that there's other there's actually other better

663
00:33:24,961 --> 00:33:26,401
Speaker 4: men out there than you. There's always going to be

664
00:33:26,401 --> 00:33:29,041
Speaker 4: someone better than you. It's like a humbling experience, you know,

665
00:33:29,081 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 4: and to accept that shake, shake his hand, and and

666
00:33:32,281 --> 00:33:34,201
Speaker 4: you know, like I did, I thought way differently than

667
00:33:34,201 --> 00:33:37,281
Speaker 4: my son I was. I fought with with more yet

668
00:33:37,361 --> 00:33:39,921
Speaker 4: drive and passion, same thing. I wasn't the most skillful fighter,

669
00:33:40,001 --> 00:33:42,841
Speaker 4: but I just I'm a fucking fighter. I've just been fighting,

670
00:33:43,721 --> 00:33:48,361
Speaker 4: you know, so you know, whereas my son had quite

671
00:33:48,401 --> 00:33:53,281
Speaker 4: a nice easy upbringing, and a lot of me and

672
00:33:53,281 --> 00:33:55,801
Speaker 4: my wife is to say, man, why are they're so soft? Sometimes?

673
00:33:55,841 --> 00:33:57,961
Speaker 4: But you want that, you don't want your kid to

674
00:33:58,001 --> 00:34:00,121
Speaker 4: go through what you went through. But then also you're like, well,

675
00:34:00,161 --> 00:34:02,281
Speaker 4: why are they not as hard as I am? But

676
00:34:03,081 --> 00:34:05,481
Speaker 4: you know, yeah, and he thought way differently. He with

677
00:34:05,721 --> 00:34:08,161
Speaker 4: his technique. When you're watching him fight, it's beautiful, you know,

678
00:34:09,521 --> 00:34:12,001
Speaker 4: very flowing. It's like an artwork where you watch me,

679
00:34:12,001 --> 00:34:13,761
Speaker 4: You're watch and it's like fucking someone just dropped the

680
00:34:13,801 --> 00:34:15,201
Speaker 4: paint bucket of paint on the ground. You know.

681
00:34:15,721 --> 00:34:17,561
Speaker 1: I watched you train a couple of years ago, just

682
00:34:17,641 --> 00:34:19,761
Speaker 1: before I had my back surgeries, and you'd come back

683
00:34:19,801 --> 00:34:22,921
Speaker 1: into the gym again and he's just every fucking hit

684
00:34:23,121 --> 00:34:24,881
Speaker 1: was just intense. I could just feel it.

685
00:34:24,921 --> 00:34:25,601
Speaker 4: It was just a.

686
00:34:28,561 --> 00:34:31,001
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, And I remember just saying, you know, like

687
00:34:31,361 --> 00:34:34,601
Speaker 1: and you're like, and you were fit but weren't ring fit.

688
00:34:35,081 --> 00:34:37,001
Speaker 1: But man, I don't know that you'd need to be

689
00:34:37,121 --> 00:34:39,601
Speaker 1: ring fit to deliver what you had there to be

690
00:34:39,641 --> 00:34:43,681
Speaker 1: able to get through, like you quite quite easily survive,

691
00:34:45,121 --> 00:34:47,801
Speaker 1: you know. And I look at that, but I get that,

692
00:34:48,321 --> 00:34:51,121
Speaker 1: I get that, I get that mindset of who you

693
00:34:51,201 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: are and why. But then when you look at Keim,

694
00:34:54,161 --> 00:34:56,721
Speaker 1: it's like a different mold again.

695
00:34:56,881 --> 00:34:59,241
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's just what it is. You can't teach that.

696
00:34:59,281 --> 00:35:01,801
Speaker 4: I can just show him examples of what I am like,

697
00:35:01,921 --> 00:35:04,801
Speaker 4: you know, and and think, funk, He's completely different than me.

698
00:35:04,881 --> 00:35:06,921
Speaker 4: He's I've seen, he's seen what I'm like. He sees

699
00:35:06,961 --> 00:35:10,041
Speaker 4: the emotional vulnerable side of me as well, and you know,

700
00:35:10,081 --> 00:35:13,441
Speaker 4: he's become this beautiful strong man because of my flaws

701
00:35:13,481 --> 00:35:16,681
Speaker 4: and because of my obviously good traits as well. You know,

702
00:35:17,881 --> 00:35:20,001
Speaker 4: the one thing I found is that you can, you know,

703
00:35:20,321 --> 00:35:22,241
Speaker 4: you can. You can lead a horse to water, but

704
00:35:22,321 --> 00:35:23,561
Speaker 4: you can't make a drink. You know. It's same with

705
00:35:23,601 --> 00:35:25,801
Speaker 4: your kids. You can as long as you show them

706
00:35:25,841 --> 00:35:28,561
Speaker 4: good morals and you know how to be a fucking

707
00:35:28,601 --> 00:35:32,361
Speaker 4: good just structure. Yeah, you know, they they could have

708
00:35:32,401 --> 00:35:34,681
Speaker 4: the best life and still end up being being an asshole.

709
00:35:34,721 --> 00:35:37,161
Speaker 1: You know, I always say my kid's wrongs, my kids

710
00:35:37,281 --> 00:35:38,601
Speaker 1: My wrongs are my kids rights.

711
00:35:38,721 --> 00:35:42,561
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, they're two point zero. You know, it's such

712
00:35:42,601 --> 00:35:44,721
Speaker 4: a wild thing, you know, like both my boys are

713
00:35:44,761 --> 00:35:47,041
Speaker 4: so different from each other, and they've grown up verius.

714
00:35:47,081 --> 00:35:50,641
Speaker 4: You know, it's the same parents. And yeah, I don't know.

715
00:35:50,801 --> 00:35:55,121
Speaker 4: It's hard. Like I said, you know, I want to

716
00:35:55,161 --> 00:35:56,881
Speaker 4: you know, you want your kids to be hard. But

717
00:35:56,881 --> 00:35:58,201
Speaker 4: then also I didn't want him to have to go

718
00:35:58,321 --> 00:36:00,721
Speaker 4: through To become hard, you have to go through some ship,

719
00:36:00,841 --> 00:36:02,601
Speaker 4: and you don't want your kid to go through ship.

720
00:36:02,641 --> 00:36:05,401
Speaker 1: You know, your beautiful wife, And I'm sorry I won't

721
00:36:05,441 --> 00:36:07,441
Speaker 1: pride into too much of your personal life here, but

722
00:36:07,481 --> 00:36:09,121
Speaker 1: I just wanted to touch on this because when you

723
00:36:09,161 --> 00:36:14,601
Speaker 1: talk about that general side, she's yeah, she's got this

724
00:36:14,961 --> 00:36:18,641
Speaker 1: just beautiful soul. Sort of she's moldy, isn't she. So

725
00:36:19,161 --> 00:36:21,681
Speaker 1: you know she has that warrior within her, but that

726
00:36:21,681 --> 00:36:25,681
Speaker 1: that real, you know, very soft calm, but then she

727
00:36:25,801 --> 00:36:28,761
Speaker 1: can do what it needs to be done. I mean, look,

728
00:36:28,841 --> 00:36:29,361
Speaker 1: she's tamed.

729
00:36:29,401 --> 00:36:34,521
Speaker 4: You get any man on this planet, you know, and you.

730
00:36:34,481 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: Are one dangerous motherfucker. And I say that with love.

731
00:36:38,121 --> 00:36:41,441
Speaker 1: But you know, like that's that's the facts, proofs in

732
00:36:41,481 --> 00:36:45,241
Speaker 1: the pudden How how has that been? You know, just

733
00:36:45,241 --> 00:36:48,441
Speaker 1: just to skim across, because obviously that's been really relative

734
00:36:48,481 --> 00:36:51,681
Speaker 1: to how your family is structured and you together as

735
00:36:51,681 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: a team, have created this beautiful life for your children grandchildren.

736
00:36:58,521 --> 00:37:05,441
Speaker 4: Now Ye's looks she got up hard as well. You know,

737
00:37:06,801 --> 00:37:10,561
Speaker 4: she grew up her family in New Zealand and involved

738
00:37:10,561 --> 00:37:15,241
Speaker 4: in bikis and domestic violence and all the stuff you know,

739
00:37:15,361 --> 00:37:18,041
Speaker 4: going on through life. And she was she was very

740
00:37:18,481 --> 00:37:20,521
Speaker 4: angry young girl as well, in trouble with the police

741
00:37:20,561 --> 00:37:22,961
Speaker 4: a lot. And you know, when me and her got together,

742
00:37:23,081 --> 00:37:24,961
Speaker 4: everyone was just like, wow, what the fuck are their

743
00:37:25,041 --> 00:37:27,361
Speaker 4: kids going to be? You know, and they're going to

744
00:37:27,361 --> 00:37:28,161
Speaker 4: be I guess.

745
00:37:27,961 --> 00:37:31,161
Speaker 1: Where I'm heading is? You know, Like, but yet you

746
00:37:31,201 --> 00:37:35,681
Speaker 1: couldn't have You couldn't.

747
00:37:34,801 --> 00:37:37,841
Speaker 4: Like how did this happen? You know, like, well, actually

748
00:37:37,921 --> 00:37:40,641
Speaker 4: we must be all right people, because our kids are incredible.

749
00:37:40,681 --> 00:37:43,081
Speaker 4: You know, you know sometimes you feel your past and

750
00:37:43,121 --> 00:37:45,961
Speaker 4: you and this and that, but it's like, holy shit, man,

751
00:37:46,001 --> 00:37:48,401
Speaker 4: we've made two beautiful humans who are going to go

752
00:37:48,441 --> 00:37:51,081
Speaker 4: on and make other beautiful humans in which they you know.

753
00:37:51,201 --> 00:37:52,201
Speaker 1: Like you broke the cycle.

754
00:37:52,601 --> 00:37:55,241
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what that's the thing. And that's both yeah

755
00:37:55,481 --> 00:37:58,321
Speaker 4: and same same, same thing there she was using it

756
00:37:58,361 --> 00:38:02,281
Speaker 4: and the victim mentality, all the excuses being violent, being

757
00:38:02,601 --> 00:38:04,841
Speaker 4: everything happens to me. We're moldy where this and that

758
00:38:04,881 --> 00:38:08,361
Speaker 4: were different, you know, and it's like, well, hang on,

759
00:38:08,441 --> 00:38:10,721
Speaker 4: that's my power is that I'm different. My power is

760
00:38:10,721 --> 00:38:13,001
Speaker 4: that I'm molding my powers, that I've got all this,

761
00:38:13,201 --> 00:38:17,561
Speaker 4: you know. And she is such a powerful woman, man, Like, yeah,

762
00:38:17,841 --> 00:38:20,321
Speaker 4: you know, I am who I am because of her,

763
00:38:20,441 --> 00:38:25,121
Speaker 4: you know, Like she's yeah, nearly make me tear up

764
00:38:25,121 --> 00:38:26,681
Speaker 4: thinking about you know how much I love her. And

765
00:38:26,681 --> 00:38:29,121
Speaker 4: we've been together for twenty eight years man, and you

766
00:38:29,161 --> 00:38:32,241
Speaker 4: know we did we were about the breakup and there's

767
00:38:32,241 --> 00:38:34,281
Speaker 4: that thing we went together when you're really young. It's

768
00:38:34,281 --> 00:38:35,561
Speaker 4: what I think a lot of people forget about it

769
00:38:35,561 --> 00:38:39,121
Speaker 4: in a relationship, is that you're two individuals that actually

770
00:38:39,281 --> 00:38:41,041
Speaker 4: fall in love with each other, and then you try

771
00:38:41,041 --> 00:38:43,001
Speaker 4: to mold each other into this one and you're like,

772
00:38:43,041 --> 00:38:45,761
Speaker 4: you're not fucking one. You're two individuals. You're always going

773
00:38:45,801 --> 00:38:48,401
Speaker 4: to be two individuals. Yeah, one's going to grow, You're

774
00:38:48,401 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 4: going to grow at different levels. As long as you

775
00:38:50,481 --> 00:38:53,281
Speaker 4: support that and you kind of flow the ebbs and

776
00:38:53,321 --> 00:38:56,401
Speaker 4: flows of it and understand that you're not always going

777
00:38:56,481 --> 00:38:58,521
Speaker 4: to like the same thing or want to do the

778
00:38:58,561 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 4: same thing, you know, because you're two different individuals.

779
00:39:01,041 --> 00:39:03,761
Speaker 1: I think that you've just for me, hit the nail

780
00:39:03,801 --> 00:39:05,761
Speaker 1: on the head, as I said to you, in the

781
00:39:05,801 --> 00:39:09,121
Speaker 1: middle of a process, at the moment of healing and

782
00:39:09,201 --> 00:39:13,721
Speaker 1: working out how I can you know, I guess, be

783
00:39:13,801 --> 00:39:16,121
Speaker 1: a better man, and how my wife can be a

784
00:39:16,121 --> 00:39:20,921
Speaker 1: better woman in our relationship. But she's I speak highly

785
00:39:20,961 --> 00:39:25,281
Speaker 1: of her as you do, because you know, like she's

786
00:39:25,321 --> 00:39:27,921
Speaker 1: an amazing woman. She's also okay with you with a

787
00:39:28,041 --> 00:39:30,881
Speaker 1: multi descent, so they've got a certain nature about them

788
00:39:30,921 --> 00:39:36,801
Speaker 1: that settle us wild men. And you know, I have

789
00:39:36,881 --> 00:39:40,761
Speaker 1: to learn that not everything is the way that you

790
00:39:40,881 --> 00:39:45,081
Speaker 1: want it to be. There is that balance of given Yeah, okay, look,

791
00:39:45,161 --> 00:39:46,921
Speaker 1: you know, we like to be I guess at times

792
00:39:48,241 --> 00:39:51,561
Speaker 1: the stronger or you know, the provider or you know,

793
00:39:51,641 --> 00:39:54,761
Speaker 1: the one that's out there fixing the problems. But then

794
00:39:54,801 --> 00:39:56,881
Speaker 1: there's times where it's like, well, hang on, we're a team.

795
00:39:56,881 --> 00:39:59,001
Speaker 1: We've gotta we've gotta we've gotta bring this together, and

796
00:39:59,001 --> 00:40:00,681
Speaker 1: we've got to We've got a family. We've got to

797
00:40:01,281 --> 00:40:04,641
Speaker 1: we've gotta find the bullshit and get rid of the bullshit,

798
00:40:04,721 --> 00:40:07,281
Speaker 1: and we work and how you just described it, Thank you.

799
00:40:07,521 --> 00:40:10,641
Speaker 1: It was really beautiful. It's just that entwinedness of just

800
00:40:10,841 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: acceptance and understanding that we're not the same.

801
00:40:13,641 --> 00:40:15,601
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're different, a different times we.

802
00:40:15,641 --> 00:40:19,081
Speaker 1: Got and you know, like twenty one years together, obviously

803
00:40:19,121 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: there's something special. Three gorgeous children, all in their own

804
00:40:23,041 --> 00:40:27,041
Speaker 1: mind doing amazing, like you know yourself. I look at

805
00:40:27,081 --> 00:40:29,161
Speaker 1: who I was and the man and I think, fuck,

806
00:40:29,201 --> 00:40:31,721
Speaker 1: how did I end up? When people come up to say, geez,

807
00:40:31,721 --> 00:40:34,041
Speaker 1: your children are really respectful, it's a pleasure to have

808
00:40:34,161 --> 00:40:36,841
Speaker 1: them over. You've done well, and you think, have I really?

809
00:40:36,961 --> 00:40:39,881
Speaker 1: You know, like yeah, yeah, but the beautiful moments because

810
00:40:39,921 --> 00:40:43,041
Speaker 1: you and I both have never had that obviously growing

811
00:40:43,121 --> 00:40:46,401
Speaker 1: up without parents or fatherhood or you know, in those

812
00:40:46,441 --> 00:40:52,121
Speaker 1: domestic violence areas, they're not that's not talk, that's not conversation.

813
00:40:52,521 --> 00:40:55,001
Speaker 1: And I know for me it was like shoned upon

814
00:40:55,041 --> 00:40:56,721
Speaker 1: because I was from a broken home at such a

815
00:40:56,761 --> 00:40:59,521
Speaker 1: young age. And you know, back then it was you

816
00:40:59,561 --> 00:41:01,481
Speaker 1: can't play with him. Now he can't come to the birthlas,

817
00:41:01,521 --> 00:41:04,521
Speaker 1: and now he's trouble. Yeah, yeah, parents have got his shop.

818
00:41:05,081 --> 00:41:07,281
Speaker 1: He can't have him. He might steal something, he might,

819
00:41:07,681 --> 00:41:10,961
Speaker 1: you know, do something. This was how it was, you

820
00:41:11,001 --> 00:41:11,721
Speaker 1: know it would.

821
00:41:12,121 --> 00:41:14,881
Speaker 4: People probably still judge you from the outside too. Same

822
00:41:14,921 --> 00:41:17,201
Speaker 4: with me. I get judge all the time. Look at

823
00:41:17,201 --> 00:41:22,321
Speaker 4: that guy, know that there's like You're a beautiful man

824
00:41:22,401 --> 00:41:24,121
Speaker 4: trying to do beautiful things for the world, trying to

825
00:41:24,161 --> 00:41:24,761
Speaker 4: change the world.

826
00:41:25,561 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: I'm like yourself, Mark where I'm pure within my heart

827
00:41:28,481 --> 00:41:32,321
Speaker 1: and have accepted I'm okay with who I am. I

828
00:41:32,321 --> 00:41:35,041
Speaker 1: wouldn't be here right now having this conversation with you

829
00:41:35,081 --> 00:41:37,001
Speaker 1: had I not walk the path that I've walked. So

830
00:41:37,121 --> 00:41:40,201
Speaker 1: thank God that I've been led down this path because

831
00:41:40,241 --> 00:41:42,201
Speaker 1: it's enabled me to be able to help so many

832
00:41:42,241 --> 00:41:45,481
Speaker 1: other people and connect with people like yourself and so

833
00:41:45,601 --> 00:41:49,081
Speaker 1: many others and make a difference. Sure, life's been fucking

834
00:41:49,121 --> 00:41:52,121
Speaker 1: heart and still is. There's still still some speed up there,

835
00:41:52,121 --> 00:41:55,721
Speaker 1: and I'm navigating at the moment and whatever. You know,

836
00:41:55,761 --> 00:41:57,801
Speaker 1: it's in God's hands. And I know who I am

837
00:41:57,841 --> 00:42:01,481
Speaker 1: and I know what it's about. It's no different to

838
00:42:01,721 --> 00:42:04,161
Speaker 1: to where you're at and what you're doing in your life.

839
00:42:04,201 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: You know, you you've career weated this life around who

840
00:42:08,001 --> 00:42:11,881
Speaker 1: you are, your beautiful wife and your children, and it's

841
00:42:12,041 --> 00:42:14,761
Speaker 1: and I talk about you as a family man because

842
00:42:14,801 --> 00:42:18,001
Speaker 1: it's inspiring and I feel that, you know, we don't

843
00:42:18,201 --> 00:42:22,401
Speaker 1: get a lot of perspective of life from a family

844
00:42:22,441 --> 00:42:24,521
Speaker 1: point of view. We talk about a lot of individuals

845
00:42:24,521 --> 00:42:26,681
Speaker 1: that come on as guests, but it's rare that we

846
00:42:26,721 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: get to sit down and have an opportunity to talk

847
00:42:29,041 --> 00:42:35,321
Speaker 1: about because not always is there that family connection where

848
00:42:35,601 --> 00:42:38,881
Speaker 1: you guys have molded your life to raise your children

849
00:42:39,121 --> 00:42:42,321
Speaker 1: in a way that you all together get to enjoy.

850
00:42:42,601 --> 00:42:46,361
Speaker 4: Yeah, we do all do the same sports all time together.

851
00:42:46,481 --> 00:42:47,521
Speaker 4: We all fought together.

852
00:42:48,121 --> 00:42:48,601
Speaker 1: Journey.

853
00:42:48,801 --> 00:42:52,321
Speaker 4: Wow, you definitely we're a very tight family. Like it's

854
00:42:52,401 --> 00:42:55,681
Speaker 4: just beautiful. Yeah, you know, it's us. Like obviously, now

855
00:42:55,721 --> 00:42:59,681
Speaker 4: my son's got his own family, so you know, he

856
00:42:59,801 --> 00:43:01,641
Speaker 4: was we just got back from a European trip and

857
00:43:01,721 --> 00:43:03,401
Speaker 4: he was a little bit jealous. I wish I was

858
00:43:03,401 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 4: there with you, and I'm like, your own family now, mate,

859
00:43:05,481 --> 00:43:08,401
Speaker 4: you know, go on to the family trips with us.

860
00:43:08,841 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 4: At the moment. Yeah, at the moment. I won't be long,

861
00:43:11,881 --> 00:43:14,681
Speaker 4: that's it man. Yeah, but yeah, look very important to me,

862
00:43:14,721 --> 00:43:17,921
Speaker 4: and that's I'm just trying to give my boys what

863
00:43:18,001 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 4: I wanted, you know, I wanted to have a close

864
00:43:20,041 --> 00:43:22,841
Speaker 4: knit type family. And you know, my my mom did

865
00:43:22,881 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 4: such an amazing job bringing you, myself and my sister

866
00:43:26,081 --> 00:43:29,281
Speaker 4: up by herself, and you know, my stepdad is a

867
00:43:29,401 --> 00:43:33,441
Speaker 4: legend guy, you know, but I just never was. I

868
00:43:33,521 --> 00:43:35,281
Speaker 4: never had that, you know, like I said, I had

869
00:43:35,361 --> 00:43:39,921
Speaker 4: good times in that, but yeah, I don't know, we're

870
00:43:40,041 --> 00:43:41,801
Speaker 4: trying to really go with that. You know, like I said,

871
00:43:41,841 --> 00:43:43,641
Speaker 4: mom did a real goat job, but I've never had

872
00:43:43,641 --> 00:43:47,401
Speaker 4: that family of never being real close. I guess I

873
00:43:47,401 --> 00:43:49,001
Speaker 4: didn't want to get close. I was scared to get

874
00:43:49,001 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 4: close because when we hurt again, like I was hurting

875
00:43:51,001 --> 00:43:54,081
Speaker 4: my dad. But yeah, I've changed that with my family now.

876
00:43:54,441 --> 00:43:56,401
Speaker 4: You know, I want to help me. Boys are doing

877
00:43:56,561 --> 00:43:59,561
Speaker 4: every day and they I'm doing, and probably sometimes I'm

878
00:43:59,601 --> 00:44:01,841
Speaker 4: a bit too intrusive to them, but look.

879
00:44:01,601 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: You know what you you are a very present dad, Yeah,

880
00:44:05,161 --> 00:44:07,761
Speaker 1: a very connected dad. And I think it's inspiring. And

881
00:44:07,801 --> 00:44:09,641
Speaker 1: I think, you know, for our listeners out there, anybody

882
00:44:09,681 --> 00:44:14,401
Speaker 1: that's questioning who they are, and you know, are you worthy? Absolutely?

883
00:44:14,681 --> 00:44:16,521
Speaker 1: And you know what you put in is what you're

884
00:44:16,521 --> 00:44:19,241
Speaker 1: going to get out of it. So you know, don't

885
00:44:19,241 --> 00:44:21,721
Speaker 1: be the victim, don't sit around playing the poor me.

886
00:44:22,241 --> 00:44:22,761
Speaker 1: Take action.

887
00:44:22,961 --> 00:44:24,961
Speaker 4: Yeah, use his motivation, man involved.

888
00:44:25,001 --> 00:44:28,521
Speaker 1: Tomorrow's never guaranteed. Yeah, exactly, you and we're going to move,

889
00:44:28,761 --> 00:44:33,481
Speaker 1: you know, into that space because far out. But you know,

890
00:44:33,521 --> 00:44:37,001
Speaker 1: I know myself. I now wake up with purpose. I

891
00:44:37,121 --> 00:44:41,681
Speaker 1: faint fucking perfect, far from it. And we continue to

892
00:44:41,721 --> 00:44:43,721
Speaker 1: work hard to be the best we can be. But

893
00:44:44,321 --> 00:44:46,761
Speaker 1: if we can give our absolute best right at this

894
00:44:46,841 --> 00:44:50,641
Speaker 1: moment and continue to offer that each day, we rise

895
00:44:50,961 --> 00:44:54,001
Speaker 1: and know that I've taken a breath, I'm alive, my

896
00:44:54,041 --> 00:44:58,001
Speaker 1: heart's pulsing. I can make today whatever I want it

897
00:44:58,041 --> 00:45:00,841
Speaker 1: to be, no matter what comes at exactly, there's going

898
00:45:00,921 --> 00:45:03,201
Speaker 1: to be shit. Shit's gonna get thrown. You're gonna have

899
00:45:03,241 --> 00:45:06,601
Speaker 1: to duck, weave, dodge, and someone's going to hit. But

900
00:45:06,721 --> 00:45:09,201
Speaker 1: how you wipe that ship off your face and keep

901
00:45:09,241 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: walking forward is how you will end your day. It's

902
00:45:13,481 --> 00:45:15,001
Speaker 1: going to be a real ship day.

903
00:45:15,561 --> 00:45:16,361
Speaker 4: Where are you going to go?

904
00:45:16,561 --> 00:45:17,921
Speaker 3: Wow, it.

905
00:45:19,841 --> 00:45:20,761
Speaker 4: Tasted like ship.

906
00:45:20,881 --> 00:45:25,281
Speaker 1: It was good, you know, like just to jump ahead

907
00:45:25,281 --> 00:45:26,881
Speaker 1: a little bit. And I wanted to touch on this

908
00:45:26,881 --> 00:45:30,401
Speaker 1: because you stopped your fighting and you had a beautiful

909
00:45:30,481 --> 00:45:34,601
Speaker 1: journey with the family, which look to me from what

910
00:45:34,641 --> 00:45:38,241
Speaker 1: you could see, really was a beautiful molding point for

911
00:45:38,281 --> 00:45:38,761
Speaker 1: the rest.

912
00:45:38,601 --> 00:45:42,321
Speaker 4: Of living together in a you know, a tree house

913
00:45:42,361 --> 00:45:45,561
Speaker 4: pretty much in you know, in poverty and showing the

914
00:45:45,601 --> 00:45:46,761
Speaker 4: boys what it's like, you.

915
00:45:46,681 --> 00:45:48,561
Speaker 1: Know, and not just for five minutes, was it.

916
00:45:49,321 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, lived there for It's over a year, and yeah,

917
00:45:53,001 --> 00:45:56,561
Speaker 4: that was such an amazing time, just just us, you know,

918
00:45:57,081 --> 00:45:58,801
Speaker 4: and a lot of people to like, what if it

919
00:45:58,841 --> 00:46:01,081
Speaker 4: doesn't work. It's like, it doesn't work, Like we just

920
00:46:01,081 --> 00:46:04,281
Speaker 4: come back, fly back to Australia and that's that's it,

921
00:46:04,801 --> 00:46:06,921
Speaker 4: you know, if you never go it made work.

922
00:46:07,001 --> 00:46:07,241
Speaker 2: And the.

923
00:46:08,881 --> 00:46:11,961
Speaker 1: Thing was, it wasn't It wasn't an easy trip, was it.

924
00:46:12,441 --> 00:46:15,681
Speaker 1: There was a lot of loads and fucking highs. You

925
00:46:15,761 --> 00:46:17,361
Speaker 1: guys made it work.

926
00:46:18,521 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 4: There's no other way. It's either you make it work

927
00:46:20,521 --> 00:46:23,281
Speaker 4: or or you know, you give in. And that's funnying.

928
00:46:23,281 --> 00:46:25,161
Speaker 4: I'm never going to do is give up and give in.

929
00:46:25,241 --> 00:46:25,441
Speaker 4: You know.

930
00:46:25,761 --> 00:46:27,361
Speaker 1: That was something I was just about to ask for

931
00:46:27,361 --> 00:46:29,841
Speaker 1: our listeners, is what would you say to somebody out

932
00:46:29,841 --> 00:46:32,001
Speaker 1: there that's in that space, no matter what it might

933
00:46:32,081 --> 00:46:35,441
Speaker 1: be right now that's on that fence of fuck it

934
00:46:35,441 --> 00:46:37,041
Speaker 1: it's all too hard.

935
00:46:37,081 --> 00:46:42,841
Speaker 4: Yeah, just like it's just go for it, Like like

936
00:46:42,921 --> 00:46:45,041
Speaker 4: life is too fucking short. It's not too hard. And

937
00:46:45,121 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 4: if it is too hard, that means that the reward

938
00:46:46,961 --> 00:46:48,361
Speaker 4: at the end is going to be even fucking better,

939
00:46:48,521 --> 00:46:50,241
Speaker 4: you know, Like the harder it is, the better the

940
00:46:50,241 --> 00:46:53,681
Speaker 4: reward is at the end. It's just like this is

941
00:46:54,001 --> 00:46:56,881
Speaker 4: we're so we've won the cosmic lottery to fucking be here.

942
00:46:57,041 --> 00:46:59,081
Speaker 4: You know, this is it and it's gone like that,

943
00:47:00,161 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 4: So make the fucking most of it, you know, because

944
00:47:01,961 --> 00:47:03,721
Speaker 4: we don't know when it can be over, you know,

945
00:47:03,801 --> 00:47:05,721
Speaker 4: and we don't know, you don't know with youre going

946
00:47:05,761 --> 00:47:07,761
Speaker 4: to like something, you know, one's so scared to try

947
00:47:07,801 --> 00:47:12,121
Speaker 4: something new or a new experience or even food. You know,

948
00:47:12,401 --> 00:47:14,881
Speaker 4: it's like fucking try everything. We're only here for this

949
00:47:14,961 --> 00:47:17,721
Speaker 4: short time, Like, give everything a go. Taste the ship.

950
00:47:18,121 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 4: It tastes like shit. I K you it was gonna

951
00:47:19,481 --> 00:47:19,921
Speaker 4: taste like shit.

952
00:47:21,641 --> 00:47:29,041
Speaker 1: You want to taste this ship? Living living?

953
00:47:27,721 --> 00:47:32,761
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yes, it's fucking hard, Like it is also beautiful.

954
00:47:32,921 --> 00:47:35,561
Speaker 4: It's so fucking beautiful man, you know, like and sometimes

955
00:47:35,601 --> 00:47:36,361
Speaker 4: we forget.

956
00:47:36,081 --> 00:47:37,681
Speaker 1: That, you know, what are some of the most beautiful

957
00:47:37,721 --> 00:47:40,441
Speaker 1: moments just from that period of your life as a family,

958
00:47:40,521 --> 00:47:43,921
Speaker 1: being on the road, living basic. What are some of

959
00:47:43,921 --> 00:47:46,241
Speaker 1: the beautiful moments that you can just sort of touch on.

960
00:47:46,481 --> 00:47:48,681
Speaker 4: Yeah, just being together, man, like in a room, you know,

961
00:47:48,841 --> 00:47:52,441
Speaker 4: like hiring a room in Hong Kong for over there

962
00:47:52,441 --> 00:47:53,961
Speaker 4: for a fight or something like that, and you know,

963
00:47:54,081 --> 00:47:56,521
Speaker 4: like you've just got this little, tiny, little they don't

964
00:47:56,601 --> 00:47:58,601
Speaker 4: really have family rooms there, and we said, oh, we'll

965
00:47:58,641 --> 00:48:01,441
Speaker 4: get two double beds, and there's literally two single beds

966
00:48:01,441 --> 00:48:03,521
Speaker 4: and pushing the beds together and we're all sleeking together

967
00:48:03,561 --> 00:48:05,481
Speaker 4: as a family on the bed. Like those moments. You know,

968
00:48:05,521 --> 00:48:07,761
Speaker 4: I remember that so well, of just all four of

969
00:48:07,841 --> 00:48:11,121
Speaker 4: us sleeping on two single beds and trying to work

970
00:48:11,161 --> 00:48:13,841
Speaker 4: your way through these different cultures and different experiences of

971
00:48:13,881 --> 00:48:17,161
Speaker 4: life and just being together. I've been being very present,

972
00:48:18,841 --> 00:48:21,201
Speaker 4: you know, like when we're when we're over there, there

973
00:48:21,241 --> 00:48:23,321
Speaker 4: was no outside world. It's still about fighting, you know.

974
00:48:23,401 --> 00:48:27,041
Speaker 4: It was about surviving, fighting getting through, you know, watching

975
00:48:28,241 --> 00:48:31,561
Speaker 4: watching the ties out there, they got their little corrugated

976
00:48:31,561 --> 00:48:33,641
Speaker 4: iron shark and they were they're happy, and they're happy

977
00:48:33,681 --> 00:48:36,001
Speaker 4: because they've got family with them. You know, they've got

978
00:48:36,041 --> 00:48:37,881
Speaker 4: food on the table. They might have had to work

979
00:48:37,921 --> 00:48:39,921
Speaker 4: sucking after that food. They prayed to go fight for it,

980
00:48:40,001 --> 00:48:43,081
Speaker 4: but food on the table and there you know, and

981
00:48:43,121 --> 00:48:46,201
Speaker 4: their family around them, and just being surrounded by my

982
00:48:46,241 --> 00:48:51,641
Speaker 4: family because I was very friend you know, orientated, especially

983
00:48:51,641 --> 00:48:54,401
Speaker 4: when you're on the Gold Coast. You have my Harley,

984
00:48:54,561 --> 00:48:58,001
Speaker 4: I had all that stuff, all these flash yeah, you know,

985
00:48:58,161 --> 00:49:00,681
Speaker 4: and hanging out with the boys and you know, doing

986
00:49:00,681 --> 00:49:02,201
Speaker 4: that stuff. And then when I was over there, I

987
00:49:02,241 --> 00:49:04,601
Speaker 4: have we had a moped that we all rode to

988
00:49:04,761 --> 00:49:07,281
Speaker 4: down the shops on all four of us, got our

989
00:49:07,321 --> 00:49:10,561
Speaker 4: shopping and the kids with the family.

990
00:49:10,801 --> 00:49:12,761
Speaker 1: You see him do it, and you just go, how

991
00:49:13,081 --> 00:49:15,041
Speaker 1: But then all of a sudden, you're that person and.

992
00:49:15,001 --> 00:49:18,281
Speaker 4: You go everyone else's got how exactly we had? Like me,

993
00:49:18,441 --> 00:49:20,641
Speaker 4: young fellow Base was only four years old to be

994
00:49:20,641 --> 00:49:23,521
Speaker 4: asleep over the front, weighing in keys on the back

995
00:49:23,561 --> 00:49:26,841
Speaker 4: and keeams hold like shopping bags, coming back and raining

996
00:49:26,961 --> 00:49:33,081
Speaker 4: for half a year. Simplicity is what those beautiful moments

997
00:49:33,081 --> 00:49:34,761
Speaker 4: were over there, Just so much simplicity.

998
00:49:34,841 --> 00:49:39,681
Speaker 1: And I think too, it would definitely embed value values

999
00:49:39,961 --> 00:49:45,281
Speaker 1: of life, so really beautiful lessons. And I think looking

1000
00:49:45,641 --> 00:49:48,921
Speaker 1: at who you are and you know what you bring

1001
00:49:48,961 --> 00:49:52,561
Speaker 1: to the table today, and you know, it's it's it's

1002
00:49:52,601 --> 00:49:56,961
Speaker 1: a beautiful thing. You know, You're you're dedicated, committed, you

1003
00:49:57,081 --> 00:49:59,881
Speaker 1: really want change and want to help people through being

1004
00:49:59,921 --> 00:50:03,401
Speaker 1: here today opening up as you know, like I said,

1005
00:50:03,401 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: I know you're a bit of a pride that means.

1006
00:50:05,601 --> 00:50:08,841
Speaker 1: So it is very much an honor to have you

1007
00:50:08,881 --> 00:50:11,001
Speaker 1: sit down and have this conversation. And I know that

1008
00:50:11,041 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: you've been doing a couple of other podcasts of late

1009
00:50:14,521 --> 00:50:16,841
Speaker 1: with great reason, which we're definitely going to touch on,

1010
00:50:18,001 --> 00:50:20,641
Speaker 1: but I wanted ours to be different to the others.

1011
00:50:20,681 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: You know, I feel that I can have a little

1012
00:50:23,521 --> 00:50:26,961
Speaker 1: bit more of a personal chat with you. Yeah, definitely,

1013
00:50:28,041 --> 00:50:30,041
Speaker 1: and that makes me very proud. So I want to

1014
00:50:30,041 --> 00:50:32,881
Speaker 1: say thank you for allowing me that space and allowing

1015
00:50:33,201 --> 00:50:36,841
Speaker 1: me to, yeah, a touch on some things that you

1016
00:50:36,961 --> 00:50:41,281
Speaker 1: probably haven't spoken about. That concludes part one of Brand's

1017
00:50:41,321 --> 00:50:44,041
Speaker 1: chat with Mark Luki. In part two, we hear more

1018
00:50:44,081 --> 00:50:47,921
Speaker 1: of Mark's journey through extreme sports and how he's overcome

1019
00:50:48,321 --> 00:50:49,561
Speaker 1: tragedy and his life.

1020
00:50:50,161 --> 00:50:53,721
Speaker 2: For a record, don't try and make you uncomfortable photo

1021
00:50:53,801 --> 00:50:57,401
Speaker 2: record in trying world and stuff for your photo record

1022
00:50:57,601 --> 00:51:01,241
Speaker 2: lab on me going hard to work photo record, Ain't trying,

1023
00:51:01,561 --> 00:51:06,041
Speaker 2: not trying to wish stuff record for the right h

1024
00:51:06,601 --> 00:51:11,801
Speaker 2: Fort Fort, the racket for the right yea for the

1025
00:51:11,801 --> 00:51:13,761
Speaker 2: record for the recon

1026
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Speaker 1: Mhm mm hmm