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Speaker 1: This is the Fits In with Kate Richie podcast.

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Speaker 2: You may have seen in the paper and the topic

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Speaker 2: over the weekend, lots of conversation around raising the legal

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Speaker 2: age kids can join social media to sixteen. Here's a

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Speaker 2: little bit more on it.

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Speaker 1: Around Australia, parents are facing an unwinnable battle social media.

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Speaker 3: Social media has become a scary place people can be

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Speaker 3: really crawl.

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Speaker 1: Seventy percent of teens it had a negative experience online.

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Speaker 1: One in three have been exposed to disturbing or traumatic content.

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Speaker 3: Par to worry seek about what the kids have access

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Speaker 3: to the life. It is a major social issue in

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Speaker 3: this country.

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Speaker 2: So mister Alban easy, if you want to make this

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Speaker 2: an election promise, then you will win the vote of

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Speaker 2: every parent. So I'll leave it with you.

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Speaker 3: Guys.

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Speaker 2: We've got to do something for me. So yesterday we

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Speaker 2: launched thirty six months dot com dot a. You guys

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Speaker 2: go there and sign the petition. The Premier Chris Mens

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Speaker 2: joins us this morning.

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Speaker 3: Welcome mate, Well, thank you so much, thanks for having

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Speaker 3: me kay with a bitsy.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for coming in here on this topic because it

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Speaker 2: is close to my heart and myself and a mate.

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Speaker 2: Rob Galuso from Finch where the crowd is of thirty

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Speaker 2: six months. But really what we represent is everybody out there,

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Speaker 2: every parent, every group, every school teacher, concerned for the

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Speaker 2: impact of social media on our adolescent brains, our kids' brains,

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Speaker 2: so that thirty six months represents raising the age from

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Speaker 2: thirteen to sixteen before you can really become a citizen

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Speaker 2: of social media. Now, I know that you've called for

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Speaker 2: a summit, which we've seen in the paper this morning,

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Speaker 2: but firstly i'd love to get your thoughts. Obviously you

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Speaker 2: can see the concern from everybody on this topic.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I agree with you, and I don't

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Speaker 3: sort of say this just as the premier, but also

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Speaker 3: as a parent and as someone who speaks to other

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Speaker 3: parents at soccer games and football games and basketball games,

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Speaker 3: and everybody's going through exactly the same situation. It's very

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Speaker 3: difficult to regulate social media use parents that are concerned

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Speaker 3: about what their children getting access to online. At best,

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Speaker 3: it's a massive time suck, like a massive waste of time,

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Speaker 3: and at worse, it's having a terrible impact on young

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Speaker 3: minds who should be getting out there, meeting friends and

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Speaker 3: having normal social experiences. So I think my view is

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Speaker 3: that this is a giant global social experiment on young

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Speaker 3: people that's completely unregulated that we haven't seen before in

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Speaker 3: the history of the world, and we need to shine

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Speaker 3: a massive light on it and potentially have major changes. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: we're sorry. Fit.

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Speaker 4: So I was just going to say, when you were

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Speaker 4: introducing the premiere there you were saying, you're you know,

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Speaker 4: you're speaking on behalf of parents and school teachers, and

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Speaker 4: you kind of grouped all of the adults into the

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Speaker 4: people making the decisions. But I think what's also really

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Speaker 4: important is that there are kids out there who are

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Speaker 4: going to think, well, hang on, I've just got my

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Speaker 4: right to have social media and it's you know, it's

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Speaker 4: part of my development. But I'm sure there are kids

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Speaker 4: out there who are in the depths of social media

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Speaker 4: hell who probably can't say it, but they need us

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Speaker 4: to act. They do it on behalf of them as well,

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Speaker 4: rather than being swept up in thinking that this is

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Speaker 4: a great thing and it's part of adulthood when it's

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Speaker 2: I know, Christ and the thing is too when you

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Speaker 2: talk about it, and you know this is this is

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Speaker 2: a great round table to have. But you know, the

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Speaker 2: home used to be such a safe space, and whatever

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Speaker 2: those gates. And now, unfortunately, a kid that might have

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Speaker 2: bullying and that picking continues when they get home. So

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Speaker 2: the home is no longer a safe space. And the

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Speaker 2: other scary thing is the parents don't know what's going on.

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Speaker 2: So the stories of kids killing themselves, you know, I

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Speaker 2: wish I was being dramatic, but the numbers are horrible.

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Speaker 2: And you've got social media affecting the mental health of

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Speaker 2: one in two kids, so fifty percent of kids.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So, I mean, I don't raise these statistics lightly,

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Speaker 3: That number last year was close to fifty percent. Close

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Speaker 3: admission to you know, mental health clinics almost exactly correlates

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Speaker 3: with the rise of social media, like almost to the day.

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Speaker 3: As soon as it became prevalent and available to the

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Speaker 3: of self harm psychological distress go through the roof. And

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Speaker 3: a lot of social media companies say, well, the two

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Speaker 3: are not related. That's completely ridiculous. They are.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, this is what I want to talk about

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Speaker 5: with your premiere, what it's it like to deal with

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Speaker 5: these social media companies, because you articulated this really well

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Speaker 5: on the project last night, because a lot of people

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Speaker 5: were saying, well, how are you going to do this?

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Speaker 5: And I think there's going to be a two factor authentication.

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Speaker 3: That you might bring in. But they want these.

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Speaker 5: Kids to stay on there for as long as they can, Chris,

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Speaker 5: this is their goal. They're sucking us in to do this.

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Speaker 5: So is it as easy to say, well, this is

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Speaker 5: the law, we're going to bring it in, or is

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Speaker 5: it really hard to deal with these companies?

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Speaker 3: Well, look, in the best case scenario. We could get

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Speaker 3: a national law it applies in every jurisdiction and we'd

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Speaker 3: hold social media companies available. Now we've got a long

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Speaker 3: way to go for that. You know, both Peter Malanascus

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Speaker 3: care for major changes. I suspect every jurisdiction feels the

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Speaker 3: same way. It'd be great if we could move together

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Speaker 3: Canada's made a major change, like Florida have just made

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Speaker 3: a major change. You've got left wing governments and right

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Speaker 3: But at the very least we can shine a spotlight

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Speaker 3: in relation to this. And I just want to make

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Speaker 3: it clear no one's blaming parents. This is impossible. For parents,

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Speaker 2: They're left feeling powerless.

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Speaker 3: And you can't be in a situation where every single

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Speaker 3: What interactions and experiences. Are they doing that online that

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Speaker 4: And I actually want someone to make this decision for me.

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Speaker 4: I have a nine year old daughter, she's almost ten,

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Speaker 4: and she's already asking or when can I have a phone?

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Speaker 4: And when can I do this? And she's I mean,

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Speaker 4: she's very clever. She can sneak up behind me at

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Speaker 4: the park and slide my phone out.

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Speaker 3: Of my Pocket's onto it quick, quick.

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Speaker 4: Ass to just try and get just a little snippet

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Speaker 4: spot of wanting to see this change because I want

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Speaker 4: the decision to be out of my hands. I don't

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Speaker 4: want her to be turning thirteen and have to say, no,

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Speaker 4: you're not going to be like all of the other kids,

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Speaker 4: and you can't have this, Like I want this stuff

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Speaker 4: just that's the rule, because that's the law, and that's

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Speaker 4: what we have to abide by.

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Speaker 2: You imagine, Kate Richie, if there was a product out there, right,

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Speaker 2: and let's call it a shampoo for the fun of

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Speaker 2: the situation, and this shampoo lives on the shelves, but

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Speaker 2: if you use this shampoo and parents are buying it

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Speaker 2: for their kids. They're giving it to their kids, are

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Speaker 2: saying you use that, one in two kids will experience

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Speaker 2: anxiety or depression, right, some psychological damage. And in other cases,

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Speaker 2: if you use that, you'll kill yourself. You know, as

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Speaker 2: I said, I'm not being dramatic, it's the reality of it.

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Speaker 2: That product would be off the shelf within seconds. And

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Speaker 2: so the other thing too, with thirty six months, if

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Speaker 2: to the family, because the idea is let that kid

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Speaker 2: get to know themselves before the rest of the world does.

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Speaker 3: I think you're absolutely right, and look the pressures on

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Speaker 3: also to say, well, if we're going to have a

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Speaker 3: what are they going to do? And that means investing

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Speaker 3: in things as important as basketball rings and skate parks

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Speaker 3: an electronic device. But I really want to make it

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Speaker 3: clear that I'm not preaching about this to anyone. Yesterday

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Speaker 3: So what did we do. We gave the little one

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Speaker 3: So if we have a generalized set of rules, or

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Speaker 2: The other thing too, As we push to thirty six

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Speaker 2: and hand to the federal politicians. So it does come

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Speaker 2: back to you guys in a sense. And I know,

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Speaker 2: I think I have your word that you will continue

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Speaker 3: There's no doubt about it. I mean, we've been in

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Speaker 3: ban mobile phones in schools. In public schools hadn't been

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Speaker 3: it's universally been embraced and the big increase, finally enough

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Speaker 3: hasn't been during the classroom time. It's recess and lunch.

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Speaker 3: All of a sudden, kids are talking again.

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Speaker 2: Amazing.

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Speaker 3: Prior to that that literally the day before the band

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Speaker 3: What that needs to be is the first step, doesn't

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Speaker 5: I just quickly ask you because a lot of people

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Speaker 2: conversations we've had through Don Perrete. I've been talking to

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Speaker 2: With seven children, I just had to find somebody in

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Speaker 3: How do you monitor that's been on.

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Speaker 2: but it would just be a verification check. We have

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Speaker 3: I suspect the technology is there. But even if there's gaps,

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Speaker 3: I mean, you're talking about yours to kids. We can't

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Speaker 2: No, well, thank you mate. We appreciate you getting in

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Speaker 2: it is very important. So well, we'd love to keep

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Speaker 3: So one hundred percent love to come back. Thanks with

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Speaker 3: thanks Chris, Thanks Vincent.

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