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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Pit Talk, a Fox Sports and

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Speaker 1: Speed Cafe Formula one podcast. On today's episode, the final

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Speaker 1: for the season, Sergio Perez is out of Formula One,

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Speaker 1: with Liam Lawson promoted from RB to take his place

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Speaker 1: alongside Max Verstappen. In twenty twenty five and we award

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Speaker 1: the most prestigious prize in all motorsports, the Pit Talk

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Speaker 1: Alternative Championship. My name is Michael Lomonado, motorspord writer for

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Australia. It's great to have your company and

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Speaker 1: the company of my co host from Speed Cafe. You

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Speaker 1: can call it racing balls if you like, but to him,

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Speaker 1: it will always be Minardi. It's Matt Kosh.

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Speaker 2: It will always be Minardi. It's fact founded by Gen Klomonardi,

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Speaker 2: based in Fayanza. It's an Italian team. You can put

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Speaker 2: whatever color jeans you like on them, but yeah, it

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Speaker 2: will always be Minardi and all forever long for the

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Speaker 2: days we have Johnny Moore, Bedelli and Taso Marquez. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Gaston Mezkane. How can you go past the goliaths of

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Speaker 2: Formula one qualifying. I'm not sure he ever did.

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Speaker 1: Qualify, but if he did, it would have been great.

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Speaker 2: He was, he was I think it was Actually it

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Speaker 2: was Argentinian.

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Speaker 1: Yes, he was the last Argentine to have raced before

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Speaker 1: Franco Colobinto.

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Speaker 2: There you go. So you know, dizzying height reached.

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Speaker 1: Historic, historic, and forever we'll be Maybe we should just

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Speaker 1: make a rule now forever we'll be referred to as

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Speaker 1: Minardi from now on, regardless of what happens to the

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Speaker 1: team name, because I'm sure there are many more team

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Speaker 1: name changes in that team's future, considering how many they've

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Speaker 1: had in the last four or five years. It's been

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Speaker 1: a big week in Formula One News will of course

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Speaker 1: get to the topic of the week, Sergio Peris, Liam

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Speaker 1: Lawson and the final red bull seats on the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five driver market in just a moment, but let's

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Speaker 1: wrap up what have been some of the more minor

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Speaker 1: stories since the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix and Matt. Let's

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Speaker 1: start with Valtrie Botas and Honor Area Australian, because both

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Speaker 1: he and Mercedes had confirmed what had long beat expected

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Speaker 1: that he will return to brack is the team third

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Speaker 2: The Mullet and the murk like that. It's yeah, it

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Speaker 2: makes a lot of sense as well. You've got George Russell,

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Speaker 2: who's got a bit of experience but isn't isn't a

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Speaker 2: You've got a young drive and killing Kimmy Antonelli. You've

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Speaker 2: got then their third driver in Voucheri Botas, who has

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Speaker 2: a lot of boxes there. I think that they probably

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Speaker 2: weren't getting from someone like Fred Vesti or or some

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Speaker 1: Well, it worked well for Mick Schumacher, didn't it pathwell

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Speaker 2: Well forever Grojeon in fairness and Treddie Racing, having secured

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Speaker 1: Six, has secured Ferrari power units to bridge the gap

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Speaker 1: the press release, and it's also changed its name officially

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Speaker 2: This is all to do with the F one entry

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Speaker 2: and all sorts of legal rights that come along with that,

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Speaker 2: say yes, we're going to enter. So Nita Current was

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Speaker 2: some sort of pre agreement. To have that pre agreement,

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Speaker 2: It's all just it's all very boring and less. You're

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Speaker 1: Maybe an account is a previous life. Let's go over

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Speaker 2: The stupid thing is internally the team always referred to

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Speaker 2: no, no VCARB, no RB. But they even I mean they

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Speaker 2: And then we get to the entry listeners. Are RB brilliant.

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Speaker 2: give too much coverage to Visa and cash App. I

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Speaker 2: it was just dumb, wasn't it. So three was just

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Speaker 2: It was Minarti, Toro Rosso, Alpha Tawi RB Racent was

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Speaker 1: we start using it next year, changing tach completely coinciding

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Speaker 1: with the FIA Prize giving Gala in Rwanda last week.

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Speaker 2: And meanwhile, South Africa has done exactly the same thing

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Speaker 2: you've now got these two African nations vying for Formula one.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, they are one to Grand Prix. Don't be

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Speaker 2: surprised if that gets announced. Keep an eye I don't

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Speaker 2: go into some of the business side of it, behind

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Speaker 2: it all, and the logic behind it. And there is

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Speaker 1: And I mean at the end of the day, it

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Speaker 1: If it doesn't have some big billionaire, if it's been

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Speaker 2: I thought you were going to say, uninspiring desert surrounding it.

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Speaker 1: we all look forward to the kidious to join the

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Speaker 2: Will it be at night? That's my next question, it.

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Speaker 1: Asked to me obviously, because you want to what you

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Speaker 1: we all looked forward to that one. And finally let's

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Speaker 2: one deal by signing Carlos Science, didn't they Yeah, they

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Speaker 2: It was Vesso's initiative. And how cool would it be

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Speaker 2: no expectation, just go out there and have some unabashed fund.

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Speaker 2: I think that sounds like a bloody good idea. I

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Speaker 2: that we've heard. It's just a good wholesome way when

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Speaker 2: they've really shafted Carlo.

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Speaker 1: Just a good wholesome way to end. On's a pretty

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Speaker 1: disappointing in the relationship. Leave it on a somewhat positive note.

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Speaker 1: At least his ending on a positive note is Carlos

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Speaker 1: science in a weird way. The ending of Sergio Pairs

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Speaker 1: at Red Bull Racing a little bit more complicated, certainly

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Speaker 1: a little bit messier, but it has been confirmed at

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Speaker 1: the season ending race in Abu Dhabi, the Sergio Pairs

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Speaker 1: want to believe, he's either decided he wants to sabbatical

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Speaker 1: being accurate, because he's chosen to walk because he's been

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Speaker 1: while now, and he will be replaced by Liam Lawson

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Speaker 1: with all eleven Grand Prix of experience under his belt

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Speaker 1: across two seasons, of course, and he'll be the least

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Speaker 1: experienced Red Bull Racing driver since vid Antonio Liuzzi made

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Speaker 1: and then after him Robert Dornboss. It's not an interesting that,

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Speaker 1: I don't know a month or so, maybe more, but

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Speaker 1: with Surjo Paris before we talk about the Liam Lawson angle.

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Speaker 2: see that he will hang around hoping for an opportunity. Conversely,

432
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,399
Speaker 2: you know we saw Daniel Ricardo. Once Red Bull decides

433
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:35,320
Speaker 2: you have no value to the organization beyond the Honda Engines,

434
00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,520
Speaker 2: that is what Yuki Sonoda is. They'll cut and run.

435
00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:42,639
Speaker 2: They'll find someone else. Ivid limblad amwasa there's a number

436
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:46,080
Speaker 2: of kids out there that, yes, it will be a

437
00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:48,560
Speaker 2: gamble to promote, but they've done that before.

438
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sort of a little bit in two minds

439
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,280
Speaker 1: about all of those things. On the one hand, like

440
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 1: we've sort of illustrated this. The former Minati dam used

441
00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:58,439
Speaker 1: to just be ruthless about the way we deal with

442
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Speaker 1: its drivers. Yuki Sonoda. Putting aside the Honda connection, I

443
00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 1: suppose who's clearly quick. He's quick enough to have been

444
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,800
Speaker 1: a Red Bull backed driver, even though the Honda connections.

445
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 1: What got him there. Clearly is talented enough to be there,

446
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,639
Speaker 1: but would never have survived into what will be a

447
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 1: fifth season by now because if that already decided he

448
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:16,119
Speaker 1: wasn't going to Red Bull Racing, that would be it.

449
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,920
Speaker 1: As you say, they would be much more willing to

450
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 1: take a punt even on I mean any number of

451
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,680
Speaker 1: the young drivers' talk about arvadd bad he's gonna have

452
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 1: his first F two season next year. There would have

453
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:27,399
Speaker 1: been more than enough. You know, he'll have that F

454
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,119
Speaker 1: two season. Doesn't matter where you'll finish, You'll end up

455
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,679
Speaker 1: at a racing Bulls or whatever it'll be called in

456
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,639
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, which may well be the case, and

457
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 1: the same applies for Liam Lawson at the senior team now.

458
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 1: Admittedly Red Bull has its history is relatively short, which

459
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 1: means it sometimes it's hard to look back at how

460
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,720
Speaker 1: it behaved in its early years, particularly very early years.

461
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:49,639
Speaker 1: Been no resemblance to the team today or even then

462
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:53,160
Speaker 1: it's middle success years. You can't just copy and paste,

463
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,119
Speaker 1: particularly considering Max with staff and is so much at

464
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 1: the center of the team, Unlike even Sebastian Vedel in

465
00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,400
Speaker 1: those days. I think the team is much more built

466
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 1: around Max and was around Sebastian a couple of different ways,

467
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 1: and so I don't think it's a problem to promote

468
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 1: Lean Lawson with so relatively little experience, particularly also in

469
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 1: a year when Mercedes is taking a punt on Kimi

470
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 1: Antonelli who hasn't had any Grand PRIXV experience, and maybe

471
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 1: that reflects on their lower ambitions next year. But I

472
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 1: think if you ask anyone Mercedes, they would hope that

473
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,159
Speaker 1: they'll be contending for regular wins and maybe even the

474
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,639
Speaker 1: championship next season. And if not, he'll still only have

475
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,639
Speaker 1: one year of racing under his belt in twenty twenty six,

476
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 1: when they definitely will hope for that. But on the

477
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 1: other hand, Red Bull Racing needs some stability and it's

478
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 1: hard to imagine that being achieved with Liam Lawson. But

479
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 1: then I guess if you argue that, then you're arguing

480
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 1: essentially to go and find someone just like Sergio Peis,

481
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 1: because this was the argument raised after Alex Albon's career

482
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 1: with Red Bull Racing ended, and they went and found

483
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 1: someone who was a safe set of hands, essentially, and

484
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 1: that's where they land on. You know, had that thinking prevailed,

485
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 1: probably would have ended up with Valtribotas at Red Bull

486
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Speaker 1: Racing because it feels like he's in exactly the same

487
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 1: position to his career Pairs was looking for a drive,

488
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,639
Speaker 1: So that's kind of it's sort of it's just an

489
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: interesting position. I find the whole Red Bull program to

490
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 1: be and I guess this is sort of like the

491
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 1: reverse of growing Pains, where they're trying to return to

492
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 1: the format they had maybe five or six years ago,

493
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 1: where they had a team dedicated only to drivers who

494
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 1: were there for no more ridi than three seasons and

495
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 1: they were turfed, and then you just try them at

496
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 1: Red Bull Racing. It's just going to be very interesting.

497
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 1: I think this next few years at Red Bull's gonna

498
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 1: be very interesting. There could be some very hard questions

499
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 1: for the team to answer. I hope Liam does well,

500
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 1: obviously because I think he deserves a probably quite a

501
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 1: long career in Formula One. But I mean, how many

502
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 1: times can drivers who are teammates with Maxistaff and get lucky,

503
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 1: Because I feel like that that's what they've all been right.

504
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,360
Speaker 1: Pierre Gasly could have had his career ended, but because

505
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,199
Speaker 1: he was at the start of that drying up of

506
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 1: the pipeline. There was a seat for him back at

507
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 1: whatever it was called at that time, Toro Rosso I think,

508
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 1: and he was able to rebuild himself Minardi the former

509
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 1: Marati team. Likewise, Alex Albot, I mean he was out

510
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:57,880
Speaker 1: of the sport for a year but managed to find

511
00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:59,959
Speaker 1: his way back into William Sergo Perry's may have had

512
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 1: his career ended by this. He sort of suggested he

513
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 1: wants to remains to be seen, Like you said, maybe

514
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 1: the Cadillac team. A lot can change in twelve months, though,

515
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 1: what will happen to Liam Lawson if things don't work

516
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 1: out in the ideal way and read Bull loses patience again?

517
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,199
Speaker 1: So I hope he does well enough to avoid that

518
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 1: for a least a couple of years and build a

519
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 1: reputation that'll see him continue into Formula One for a

520
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: long time. That's the news for the last week and

521
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 1: a half whatever it is technically of the official Formula

522
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 1: One season. Let's all pretend everything stops now for a

523
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 1: couple of months until racing starts again.

524
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 2: Let's hope it all stops. I need a break, Yeah, I.

525
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 1: Think everyone needs a bit of a break. Christmas is

526
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 1: just so close. But of course, our Alternative Championship has

527
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: not concluded yet. We must wrap this one up. We're

528
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 1: going to get to the full rankings in just a moment.

529
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 1: But of course, having missed the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix

530
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 1: review and now back for the final episode wrapping up

531
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: the entire season, we do have points to give away.

532
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: We do have a couple of entries still for the

533
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: Alternative Championship before we can officially declare a winner. Matt,

534
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: do you want to start us off with the last

535
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 1: six selections of the ALTRA season?

536
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, the one where the points don't matter and everyone

537
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 2: doesn't know it exists, but they really, really really want it.

538
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 2: So my points have been skewed not just by Abu Dhabi,

539
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 2: but by the events of the last week or so

540
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 2: as well. So there is a bit of a Liam

541
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:22,959
Speaker 2: Lawson flavor to the first selection, which is obviously Liam Lawson.

542
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 2: I've given him four hundred and thirty seven points because

543
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 2: that's a number of points that that Max scored this year.

544
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 2: I was tempted to go for given the number of

545
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 2: points between Max and Sergio, but I thought I can't

546
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 2: be bothering the mass.

547
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 1: I think you're pretty much just har it don't you,

548
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 1: and that you probably get your answer.

549
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably it was a third though.

550
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 1: Oh yes it was actually wasn't that we talked about that.

551
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: It was about a third. That's great.

552
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 2: So it was four hundred and thirty seven points. A

553
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 2: third of that is I've got socks on. I can't

554
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 2: count that.

555
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: That's too much, very good. I like that, though. I'm

556
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 1: going to start some not esoteric, maybe a little bit

557
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: tenuous of a point score, considering we don't often talk

558
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: about reserve drivers, especially if they're not knocking on the

559
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,640
Speaker 1: door for Formula One. I'm taking thirty points off Sauber

560
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 1: or the former Sauber team, the former BMW team, and

561
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: then anyone look at it for describing development drivers Tao

562
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: Porchet and Zane Maloney as having graduated from their driver

563
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 1: academy when really what they're saying is they're severing all

564
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: ties with them and don't want anything more to do

565
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 1: with them. That was beautifully creative language, well I mean

566
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: creative language warranting points off. Of course, thirty points off.

567
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 1: I say thirty because that's ten for each of them,

568
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 1: including Carrie Shriner, who at least is sticking with Soubur

569
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 1: in a new role, but has also in inverted Commas

570
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: graduated from the Academy.

571
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I saw that and it was Yeah, it's

572
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 2: some of the most creative public relations I've seen in

573
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 2: quite some time. Actually took to Twitter and and sort

574
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,199
Speaker 2: of made his much because, let's face it, effectively it

575
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 2: was a press release to say so long and thanks

576
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 2: for all the fish yes, to borrow a hitchhiker's guard

577
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 2: to the galaxy reference. It was. Yeah, it was glorious

578
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 2: in its ridiculousness. So I wholeheartedly agree with with thirty

579
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 2: points off. In fact, I encourage you to reconsider give

580
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 2: them more off.

581
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 1: Maybe I should maybe all maybe all times of by ten.

582
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 2: That we're talking three point one hundred points a driver, well,

583
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 2: will you've taken three hundred points off? I've given three.

584
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, not enough to balance it out, but to

585
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: botas okay.

586
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 2: Because he's a third driver, it's message. I think that's

587
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 2: a good move for all involved. It's not a brilliant

588
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 2: move because that's face that he's not racing, but it's

589
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 2: a good move and worthy of three points. And given

590
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 2: that we have a history of taking huge numbers of

591
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 2: points off, I think even just getting one point in

592
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 2: the alternative Championship is pretty seismic.

593
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: Yes, it is a good.

594
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, he gets three points for inking a deal would

595
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 2: be third driver at.

596
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: Me, very good. I've in fact, I've noticed now I'll

597
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: just let you know in advance. At all, I'm only

598
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: taking points off. So it's next is one hundred and

599
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: fourteen points off Red Bull. We've already talked about this

600
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 1: for exercising Yuki Sonoda's contract extension calls earlier this year,

601
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: but still clearly having no interest in promoting him to

602
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: the senior team, one hundred and fourteen being the total

603
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: number of races he'll be competing for the brand if

604
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: he leaves at the end of next season. As I guess,

605
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: we sort of expect him to. Now. Just tremendous shit

606
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: housery from Red Bulls driver management program is it. It's

607
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: got a team that's specifically established to feed Red Bull Racing,

608
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: and they continue to sign and more. I guess the

609
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: context of this it was just as he was suggesting

610
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: there was interest from other teams and if there was

611
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: no interest from Red Bull Racing, he would consider, uh,

612
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: you know, stretching his wings, putting his career in the

613
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: hands of someone else, and Red Bull says no, we've

614
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,719
Speaker 1: got the contract and that's fine and contractually are allowed

615
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: to do so. But to have no obligator, to have

616
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: no even inkling to promote him, just seems like a

617
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: massive waste of time.

618
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 2: If one dispells, you know, the link to Honda and

619
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 2: ignores that. But yes, I hardly agree. It does seem

620
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 2: a bit rough on. So you take those points away

621
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 2: from Red Bull, not from Yuki Sonoda.

622
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: No from Red By.

623
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

624
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: No, absolutely, he's had enough theoretical points taken off his career.

625
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: I suppose, hasn't he so after Red Bull?

626
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that makes that makes a lot of sense,

627
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 2: doesn't it. It's it's it's harsh, But that's the game

628
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 2: we play, isn't it.

629
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: So it is. There's no forgiveness. There's no soft points

630
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: here in.

631
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 2: There really aren't there.

632
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: Very few points at all.

633
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 2: In fact, well, you're a better chance of losing them

634
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 2: than scoring them in fairness, And on that theme, yes,

635
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 2: and sticking with the kicking the ball while it's down. Ye,

636
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 2: I'm going to take one nine hundred and eighty five

637
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 2: points off of RB slash Racing Bulls slash Alpha TOWI

638
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 2: slash uh, Tororosso for besmirching the Minardi name the marketing.

639
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 2: The word you used before was magnificent shit housery. That's

640
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:29,479
Speaker 2: gone on. Yeah, Minardi entered the sport into Formula one

641
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 2: is in nineteen eighty five, and it ran as Minardi

642
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 2: pretty much all the way through until it was about

643
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 2: two thousand and five. Yeah, two thousand and five, when

644
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 2: two thousand and six when Red Bull took it over

645
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 2: as Torosso, and then it's had more name changes than

646
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 2: hot lunches since then. But yeah, so, nineteen hundred and

647
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 2: eighty five points coming off of RB slash Racing bulls slash. Whatever,

648
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 2: can we can we preemptibly take points away from next season?

649
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: Yeah? Maybe maybe after we doll out the final championship positions,

650
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: we can reset the tally as we see fit. Finally,

651
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: I'm taking eighteen million points off Sergio Perez for in

652
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: September tweeting a meme that he would not be leaving

653
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: Red Bull, a tweet scene by eighteen million people only

654
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: two months later leave red Bull. So good in fact,

655
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: that the users on x or Twitter as formerly Twitter,

656
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: to keep with the Minardi theme, have a subjected it

657
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: to a community note saying no, in fact, he did leave,

658
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: I think effectively eighteen million times lying about his contract intention.

659
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: I'm sure, and I'm sure his intention was not to leave.

660
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: But nonetheless, eighteen million points of that's that's fantastic.

661
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 2: I deeply appreciate that for all sorts of reasons, because

662
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 2: it's just the arbitrary application of points.

663
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: That's what we stand for.

664
00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 2: That is everything the Alternative Championship stands for. The very

665
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 2: foundation of the competition. There is no rhyme nor reason,

666
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 2: no logic, often no mass in forced either. And yeah,

667
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 2: that's that's I like it. I like it a lot.

668
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: Well. That brings us to the end of the Alternative Championship, Matt.

669
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: They are all of the entries now calculated and tabulated,

670
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: and we can now reveal the winners well, of course

671
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: read out all them in reverse championship order. We want

672
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: to have a bit of hype building up now, Matt.

673
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: You've been calculating the numbers, so I'm going to leave

674
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: the top ten to you, but will make our way

675
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: up from the bottom. There were sixty six entries in

676
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: the end. Over how many weeks or episodes we've done

677
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: of this podcast, I'm going to start with number sixty

678
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: six on negative four Is this in millions? Four hundred

679
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: and seven million, nice one hundred and seven million, nine

680
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: hundred and ninety nine, nine hundred and eighty points, So

681
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: a number as large as it is specific to Ticketmaster

682
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: last on the Alternate Championship least.

683
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 2: There is a logic for that, because I never actually

684
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 2: gave it a number of points. This is one of

685
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 2: my awards, that's right, I remember, and I just decided

686
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 2: that it is going to finish last because it has

687
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 2: one job and his wholesale failed to deliver. And this

688
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,760
Speaker 2: sort of relates to tickets going on South the Australian

689
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 2: grand Print. The system crashing and they're having to delay

690
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 2: it by year by year, by a day. And I

691
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 2: got stuck into them because I've got one job and

692
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 2: they failed miserably and then tried to blame someone else. Yes,

693
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 2: it's like my children, I didn't do it while you're

694
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 2: holding that hammer. So yeah, they're they're deliberately at the

695
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:48,280
Speaker 2: bottom because their points were a multiplier of whoever finished.

696
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 1: Search points next worst.

697
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 2: Yes, that's it, that's it.

698
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: I like that a lot. Next worst was Formula one

699
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 1: itself on negative two hundred and three million, nine hundred

700
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: ninety nine, nine hundred and nine points. It was for

701
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: saying Las Vegas doesn't need a sprint because it's already

702
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: so fast, and that has nothing to do with a

703
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: reported sprint hosting. For your four million dollars accrued from

704
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: every circle that hosts a sprint. Let's look at third last.

705
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: It's Williams on negative two hundred million points.

706
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's the the reinvestment that Dalton's made, the

707
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 2: over capitalization and not over capitalization, but they're close to

708
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 2: over capitalizing on that team. And just it wasn't a

709
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 2: great season, lots of crash damage, underwhelming. I thought it

710
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,919
Speaker 2: was poor to bring Logan Sargent out of the car

711
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 2: and the Australian Grand Prix just a few decisions through

712
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 2: the year I didn't like, and so when there was

713
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 2: an excuse to give it a two hundred million dollar deduction,

714
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:45,879
Speaker 2: I took it very good.

715
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 1: Next on the list in sixty thirty Sergio Perez, most

716
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 1: of which is his negative eighteen million points from just

717
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 1: a few moments ago. James vowed sixty second. I believe

718
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: I gave him a positive number. Maybe it was just

719
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: one point because he did because he mentioned that Franco

720
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: Colin No, not Franco Colinbindo, bigy, pardon who was he

721
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: talking about? Actually he said it was good mix. Schumacher

722
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: of course, that he would be good but not great

723
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: in justifying Franco colobinto being promoted to the team, which

724
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 1: I thought was good. But you then subsequently took quite

725
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: a few points off him.

726
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, for much the same reason as I did with Williams.

727
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 2: I didn't agree with some of the decisions, so I

728
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 2: found a way to give him a whack and I

729
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 2: took a lazy one hundred and sixty eight thousand off him.

730
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 2: I mean, I think we said at the time that

731
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 2: he needed a big back half of the year. He

732
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 2: just didn't deliver, did he.

733
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: No, he just did never really recover from that big blow.

734
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: In fact, I think the one point it must have

735
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 1: been the same week or a similar week as the

736
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: British Grand Prix, which lost one hundred and sixty eight

737
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 1: thousand points. I believe this is to do with the

738
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: ticket sellout situation. On Sunday there were several tickets still available.

739
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 2: I think it was this was due to the capacity

740
00:36:55,120 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 2: and claim it was a sellout crowd just like from memory, Qatar.

741
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,479
Speaker 1: I mean that's always helps when they're in seats.

742
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 2: I was going to say, well, there's plenty of seats,

743
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 2: but only the very few tickets very hard to come by,

744
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,959
Speaker 2: not because not because they're in high demand, but because

745
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 2: there's only about six of them.

746
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: I like that. It's a country of many seats for

747
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: few tickets. I like that a lot. Sixtieth in the

748
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 1: order on negative ten thousand points is Johnny Herbert.

749
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 2: For his comments as a pundit while also being as steward.

750
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 2: So his punditary comments on the dishing out of a

751
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,760
Speaker 2: penalty that he himself dished out yes to Maxim Staffin

752
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 2: at the Singapore Grand Prix and then in Mexico as well,

753
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 2: and then the inconsistency there because he gave a ten

754
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 2: thousand dollars fine. I think it was yes' to char

755
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,479
Speaker 2: Leclair rather than community service. So I think Johnny should

756
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 2: pick up the tab for that one.

757
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 1: So I should, and with so many negative points, I'm

758
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: sure he'll be in a good position to do so.

759
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: Fifty ninth in the order is our old friend RB

760
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: on negative twenty two hundred and eighty seven points. Whatever

761
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: this was awarded for it feels well deserved. If anything,

762
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:09,959
Speaker 1: there should have been more points off.

763
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 2: It feels a bit like that, and a lot of

764
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 2: those were We're today because RB is, of course Minardi.

765
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: Yes, well, yes, I.

766
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 2: Should always be remembered and I'm with you. Probably deserved

767
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 2: more points off.

768
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 1: Negative twenty twelve. Fifty eighth in the order is Alpine.

769
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 2: It was passing off a twenty twelve spect Lotus as

770
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 2: an Alpine good would would Jack do? And running up

771
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 2: the hill in that car? I thought that was a

772
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,959
Speaker 2: little bit dishonest. I didn't like it, so I took

773
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 2: points off one point for every year it was a

774
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 2: twenty twelve Spect car, So twenty twelve came off there

775
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 2: tally and alas there was no miraculous second and third

776
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,879
Speaker 2: place finishing the Alternative championship for them to salvage that

777
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 2: that performance.

778
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: You better believe there'll be more of that in the

779
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: all in team launch in early next year, because I

780
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 1: suspect there won't be too many real powers.

781
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 2: At that lown lots of points off.

782
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 1: He's a personal favorite of mine. I'll let you take

783
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: over the next few after this. It's fifty seventh in

784
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: the order, negative one thousand points off Shane Howard, the

785
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: Supercars CEO. I remember this one well. This was points

786
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: off for claiming he was showing respects to Daniel Ricardo

787
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: by saying he'd only be contacted at the appropriate time

788
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: about a possible Supercars drive simultaneously in the week building

789
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: up to the Baptist one thousand to make publicity stunt

790
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 1: out of it. Thought that was tremendously disingenuous and that

791
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: was a thousand points off.

792
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 2: Yeah again, probably deserve more. Yes, number fifty six with

793
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 2: tied on negative one thousand, but because it was scored

794
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 2: earlier in the championship, it I ranks higher. An unnamed

795
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 2: McClaren manager, Yes and Memory says this was one of yours, yes,

796
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 2: and was for coining the phrase Papayo rule.

797
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: That is correct. Again another in retrospect, probably someone who

798
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: should have got more points taken off them because that

799
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 1: was surely one of the low points of the year,

800
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: the phrase papie rus and thoroughly.

801
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 2: Deserved the irony being that at the end of the

802
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 2: year Papia did rule. Look, they got us there they did.

803
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,760
Speaker 2: They did one spot high of fifty fifth FA President

804
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,240
Speaker 2: m Hume Ben Salam minus seven hundred and sixty.

805
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: I certainly remember taking points off him for I believe

806
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: the phrase was moralizing immorlly when he said drivers shouldn't

807
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: swear and then likening them to rappers in obviously racial language.

808
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: So there was at least some points off for that,

809
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: probably points off for a variety of other things. Let's

810
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: be honest, he's not had the cleanness of seasons, has

811
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 1: old made mbs, but you can't say he hasn't had

812
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: to go.

813
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 2: He's got stuck in there. Yeah, he got stuck if yeah,

814
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 2: if nothing else, you can say he's in a red

815
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 2: hot go just to prove how ridiculous the alternative championship

816
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 2: is in fifty fourth on minus seven hundred and six points,

817
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 2: is our world champion max of stuff?

818
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:57,399
Speaker 1: Oh there you go.

819
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 2: He's not even He's not even broken the top fifty

820
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 2: one spot behind Toto Wolf on minus four hundred and

821
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 2: seventy one. I do remember many of Toto clearly something

822
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 2: to do with shelf life here.

823
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I from memory it was for claiming the comments.

824
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 1: The shelf Life comments, which were published in an extract

825
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,720
Speaker 1: from that Mercedes book, were taken out of context, despite

826
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 1: the fact he clearly would have authorized all those comments

827
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 1: the way they were printed in the book and did

828
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: a small media tour about the book after that. I

829
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: just thought that was tremendously disingenuous and absolutely warranted some

830
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 1: points off.

831
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he'll be most frustrated because he's finished once

832
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 2: again behind Christian Horner and minus three hundred and twenty five.

833
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 2: Christian said a few silly things over the course of

834
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 2: the year, and a couple of really awkward interviews. There

835
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 2: was one with was Sky Where was that? That was

836
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 2: a really awkward interview with Janika Patrick just.

837
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: After the mid season break. I believe it when they

838
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 1: did they'd retained Sergio Perry.

839
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 2: It was gloriously awkward, But I can't remember. I thought

840
00:41:57,719 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 2: probably would have given points to that, because that's just

841
00:41:59,480 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 2: good tell.

842
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: Well. I remember I'd have quite a few points off

843
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: in Mexico because of his pretty horrendous defense of Max

844
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: Mustaffan's driving against Lando Norris. I remember from him saying

845
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 1: he had literally printed out to use a Toto Wolf

846
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: quote that I think he used without realizing it Lando

847
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: Norris's telemetry to prove he wouldn't have made the corner

848
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 1: and therefore Max didn't deserve the penalty, saying exactly the

849
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: opposite of what he said a week earlier in the

850
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: US when he was also defending the staff in the

851
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,919
Speaker 1: opposite incident, and then despite all of the evidence saying

852
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: he wasn't going to appeel any of the decisions. So

853
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 1: I think he deserved a lot of points off over

854
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,760
Speaker 1: the course of what has felt like a pretty insincere

855
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 1: year from Christian Horner. But I guess he won the

856
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: Driver's Championship.

857
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 2: Well, he's done better than well, better worse. He's done

858
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 2: worse than Sober because it's a new entrant as of

859
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 2: today with minus three hundred points, and it managed to

860
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 2: stay off our radar all season long, yes, and then

861
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 2: fell on its face at the final herd with minus

862
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 2: three hundred points. And I'm glad I encouraged you to

863
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 2: MultiMate because it just feels like it deserves to be

864
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 2: somewhere there in the.

865
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: Team, much like the actual team avoided the points tally

866
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: almost completely until the final week or so. Also, a

867
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: new entry was Red Bull at fiftieth minus one hundred

868
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: and fourteen points, for of course, the way it's dealt

869
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: with Yuki Sonoda over the course of the season, Forty

870
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: ninth is Lando Norris, briefly a Driver's Championship contender on

871
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: negative one hundred and six points.

872
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 2: I do remember being critical of him in Austria and

873
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 2: not finishing that race, not dragging the car at the

874
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 2: flag like Max did, and also the Hungarian Grand Prix

875
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 2: springs to mind, yes, the way it was a little

876
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 2: bit of deuce around letting oscar back through having been

877
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 2: given track position in the first instance to protect it

878
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 2: the second place.

879
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 1: And also memory serves in sau Paolo where he described

880
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 1: Max Bastappan's victory as being luck and not talent oing

881
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 1: to the red flag. I think points would have come

882
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: off there as well.

883
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 2: He's a very lucky four time world champion, that guy.

884
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: I'm very lucky.

885
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 2: Indeed.

886
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: Forty eight is anyone who used the phrase let them race?

887
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: I fully own that one. I'm tired of hearing it.

888
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: We all we should remember, but clearly no one does

889
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: what let them race era look like, which was the

890
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: Maximstaff and Lewis Hamilton deeply controversial twenty twenty one season

891
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: which there appeared to be no rules at all. Forty

892
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 1: seventh I believe this one was from you all, Team

893
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: Press press relations offices on negative one hundred points.

894
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are a couple of instances during the year

895
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 2: where various members of the team's media teams have just

896
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 2: out and out lied forty six.

897
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: It's Perlly on negative ninety points, forty fifth, Ted Kravitz

898
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: on negative seventy five points. Lance Stroll got negative fifty

899
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,280
Speaker 1: one points. Probably lucky to get away with just negative

900
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:45,879
Speaker 1: fifty one points.

901
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 2: That would have presumably games just for being lent Stroll.

902
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: Rejoining through the wet gravel in Brazil probably. Oh yeah,

903
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: after having his car repaired, I was forty third on

904
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: negative forty seven points. It feels a bit harsh, but

905
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 1: I do remember you giving me these points for I

906
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 1: said something you didn't like. You didn't agree.

907
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was the McLaren is. Yeah, McLaren is a

908
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 2: New Zealand team. It's not it's British. We've clarified this.

909
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 2: I actually I spoke to Liam about this and he

910
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 2: said I was making a joke and people have just

911
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 2: gone too far with it.

912
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: So basically what he deserves forty seven points off because

913
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: I agreed with it. I think it's I think if

914
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 1: red Bull's allowed to be Austrian despite being based in

915
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: Milton Keynes, then McLaren is allowed to be KIWI. So

916
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: I stand by that, all right? Where those negative forty

917
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: seven points with honor.

918
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 2: I will take forty seven points off of Liam Lawson

919
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 2: for you, for a sign of solidarity. I've taken forty

920
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 2: seven points of him. Again, it's not a voting round,

921
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 2: but who cares. It's the alternative championship. It doesn't matter.

922
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: That's fine, right McLaren strategists are forty second on negative

923
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: forty four points. I mean, there are so many races.

924
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: Presumably they accrued this app still under.

925
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 2: Constructor probably one for each mistake.

926
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, quite possibly. Forty first is Logan Sergeant negative

927
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 1: thirty seven points. Alex albon is fortieth on negative twenty

928
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: eight points, a modest negative points total, all.

929
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 2: Right, thirty nine the organizers of the Las Vegas Grand

930
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 2: Prix minus twenty seven points. I'm surprised is that low?

931
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:13,879
Speaker 1: Yes? Well, I mean I believe this was for them,

932
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 1: also saying that they couldn't possibly have a sprint race

933
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: because the twenty seven openings to the track or something

934
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 1: like that didn't seem like a very good excuse at

935
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: the time. But still top thirty nine. That's not bad.

936
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. Sitting thirty eight is Tom Coronell minus twenty five.

937
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 2: He is tired on points, but somehow behind someone who

938
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:38,439
Speaker 2: doesn't exist, Sonny Hayes, also minus twenty five, and another

939
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 2: one of yours, if memory.

940
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: Serves, Yes, I think this is for not understanding how

941
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 1: motors board works. Being presumably a multiple racementing drive car

942
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: drives on the need for a car that, yes, this

943
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: is car built for combat, not for being fast on

944
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 1: the straits or something like that.

945
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 2: We can't beat him on the straits, so we have

946
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:55,760
Speaker 2: to beat him in the curves.

947
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: Yes.

948
00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 2: In thirty six on minus twenty four is has They

949
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 2: don't remember why. There was probably a reason, but I

950
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 2: don't remember it. Well.

951
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: Then let's move on to thirty fifth. McLaren negative fifteen points.

952
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: Probably could have folded this in with the strategists and

953
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: also the unnamed management figure, but they won the constructors Championship,

954
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 1: so you know what they can cop this one on

955
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 1: the chin. Thirty fourth is George Russell negative thirteen points.

956
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 1: But let's move up to thirty third, which is you,

957
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,240
Speaker 1: Matt Coosh negative ten points.

958
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 2: Boring.

959
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: I think you.

960
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 2: Was boring there. We go. I think I think maintaining

961
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:31,479
Speaker 2: tradition or just be boring.

962
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 1: Look his book self criticism is important. Thirty second goes

963
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 1: to the Circuit of the Americas with negative ten points.

964
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: I remember this one well. This was for organizing a

965
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: condolence's book for Daniel vccardo in the Paddock, despite the

966
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:44,320
Speaker 1: fact he's not dead.

967
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that was a bit weird and postal lever

968
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 2: social media and all sorts of stuff. It was odd.

969
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 1: Next in the order is US broadcaster or podcast host

970
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: I'm sure which is Howard Stern. He's thirty first, negative

971
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: ten points for not knowing who Lewis Hamilton is. In

972
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 1: an interview with vanquished presidential candidate Kamala Harris, who was

973
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: apparently a big fan of Formula one. Howard Stern never

974
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: heard of Lewis.

975
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. Funnily enough, I've encountered someone else in the last

976
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 2: week or so he's never heard of Lewis Hamilton either.

977
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 2: So maybe we're just too wrapped up in our own

978
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:17,800
Speaker 2: little bubble.

979
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: Maybe we are.

980
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 2: Let's go. Kimi Antonelli also on minus ten. He's in

981
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 2: the thirtieth place. I think this was throwing at the

982
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:28,439
Speaker 2: fence in Monza during free practice one within two laps

983
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 2: of getting out on track.

984
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: Yes, that sounds totally believable and are warranted.

985
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 2: Next stuff, I'm looking forward to one of these in

986
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:35,399
Speaker 2: a couple of year. But next up in twenty ninth

987
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 2: is Kyle Larson minus ten points for claiming he could

988
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 2: better Max for Staffan he was a better driver than

989
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 2: Max for Staffen was.

990
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 1: Yes, he said there'd be no question that they'd be

991
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: able to beat him in the same car yeap, despite

992
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,720
Speaker 1: having no clear or obvious evidence for this claim.

993
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, backed by a number of drivers who I'd never

994
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 2: heard of. Big fan of this one though. Twenty eighth,

995
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,040
Speaker 2: also on minus ten the F one graphics department, the

996
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 2: Great Brittian Grand Prix, Yes.

997
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 1: The graphics behind the podium interviews, the Spanish Grand Prix.

998
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: I guess looking forward to the next race in Great Britain.

999
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 2: Minus nine points in twenty seventh is David Croft. Sadly,

1000
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 2: that's our final negative point entry.

1001
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: So more than half of the entry so in the negative.

1002
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 2: In twenty six that our first positive entry on a

1003
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 2: single point is a Achio Toyota.

1004
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: Yes, I remember this well. It's for if memory serves

1005
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 1: begging reporters and sub editors not to run headlines reading

1006
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 1: the Toyota is returning to Formula one, and then we

1007
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 1: all only to wake up the next morning and read

1008
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 1: everywhere the Toyota, including an F one's own website. That's right,

1009
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 1: including F one's very own website. The Toyota had returned

1010
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: to Formula one. So it's one consolation point magnificent.

1011
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,959
Speaker 2: There's also one point for Lawrence Straw in twenty fifth.

1012
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 2: Next up is Leo Leclair for a for stealing Instagram,

1013
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 2: for dominating Instagram during the summer break. He's in twenty

1014
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 2: fifth with three points. I mean, that's that's more than

1015
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 2: I've got.

1016
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,720
Speaker 1: Yes, more than Akio Toyota, see one of the biggest

1017
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: automotive companies in the world. Well done to him.

1018
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 2: Twenty third Franco Colopinto for four points. I'm surprised he

1019
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 2: stayed off our radar with a couple of the shunts

1020
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 2: that he had towards the end of the year. But

1021
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:16,760
Speaker 2: a good play. Let's say, if you're in the positive,

1022
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 2: you're doing pretty well. You are, so Franco Colopinto a

1023
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 2: good result in twenty third with four points, could have

1024
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 2: been so much worse for him, speaking the witch Mecca's

1025
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:34,919
Speaker 2: the Minati team boss five points in twenty second again

1026
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 2: could have been so much worse, managed to stay off

1027
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 2: the radar and avoid the carnage that surrounded RB which

1028
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:40,800
Speaker 2: ended up fifty nights.

1029
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: Yes, and I believe that he got those points for

1030
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 1: confessing even he didn't know what was going on with

1031
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: Daniel Ricardo after the Singapore Grand Prix, and that he

1032
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:51,320
Speaker 1: would be good if someone told him. Yeah, so big, honest,

1033
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: I think is what those points.

1034
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 2: Before there's's a lesson of their team prs. There is

1035
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 2: a lesson there. Next up is the FO Suprimo himself

1036
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 2: on seven points. The stephanot to Monicali in twenty first.

1037
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,280
Speaker 1: Probably goes with the FIA as well on ten points.

1038
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 1: I think some of these points were for actually doing

1039
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: quite a good job in Brazil when the weather was

1040
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: so bad and they willingly and freely rescheduled the weekend

1041
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: when in the past they would never have done so.

1042
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: They would have just committed themselves to running in the

1043
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: rain and canceling everything. So everyone did a good job

1044
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: in twenty I'm going to leave the top ten to you,

1045
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 1: so I'm going to take the next ten, tied with

1046
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,919
Speaker 1: the FIA nineteen points is Jean Todd, someone who hasn't

1047
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: run the FIA for quite a number of years, so

1048
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 1: quite a baffling introduction, but I'm sure the points were

1049
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,240
Speaker 1: warranted one way or another to be in the top twenty.

1050
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: Jack Dowan gets fourteen points. I believe this is for

1051
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: choosing a number that Kimmy reichen And raced with. But

1052
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 1: Kimmy Raikinon chose because there was just the number he

1053
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 1: had at the time, the story behind it. But Jack's

1054
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 1: given it a story, so good for him. Seventeen is

1055
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: char Leclair seventeen thro other on fifteen points, perhaps just

1056
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: for winning his home Grand Prix in Monaco. I don't

1057
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: remember specific insting for this one. Nico Holkenberg sixteen points

1058
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: just for being good. I suppose these all just feel

1059
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: like very good good yeah, oh yes. Now. Lewis Hamilton

1060
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 1: is fifteenth on nineteen points, perhaps winning his home Grand Prix,

1061
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 1: but controversially, Charlotte Claire is fourteenth. Again this the twenty

1062
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: five points must be for winning Monaco. I'm afraid I'm

1063
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: not sure what the fifteen points before. Christian Mansell is thirteenth.

1064
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 1: The Australian Formula two driver on forty six points. Now,

1065
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 1: I remember giving him certainly some points for being on

1066
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 1: the podium in Monaco and a variety of points over

1067
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: the course of the year, but I don't remember exactly

1068
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 1: where the forty six comes from.

1069
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 2: I don't remember exactly where forty six was, but certainly

1070
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 2: as a Boijan And he's good starting now too. And yeah,

1071
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,439
Speaker 2: if you follow him on on Twitter, if you don't,

1072
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 2: go and follow him on Twitter, because he's hilarious, just

1073
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 2: absolute banter man. It's it's easy. He's a good lad.

1074
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 2: But I think I think it was basically just for

1075
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 2: Azerbaijan and Formula two and all that good stuff.

1076
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: Yes, which is good on him. Twelfth is Simon Lasenbye

1077
00:52:57,840 --> 00:52:58,439
Speaker 1: Spider Pig.

1078
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 2: Oh no, this is a spider pig fighter.

1079
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 1: Pick very good. Eleventh is Toyota for coming back, well,

1080
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: don't say coming back to Formula one. This is what

1081
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 1: it was all about, for joining Haas in a very

1082
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 1: roundabout way, but ensuring that they will be in Formuda

1083
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:16,320
Speaker 1: one with minimum expenses expended.

1084
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 2: Which brings us to the top ten. And I feel

1085
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 2: like we need some sort of big, big introduction, you know,

1086
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 2: some sort of mantim musical number. Maybe get Neil Patrick

1087
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 2: Harris out that sort of stuff, because in tenth place

1088
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 2: we've got Oscar Piastri on sixty points.

1089
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 1: Very nice.

1090
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,800
Speaker 2: It just seems like that's an accumulation of goodness. I

1091
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 2: don't remember him saying anything particularly funny or outrageous. I

1092
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 2: think it was just a case of doing a good

1093
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 2: job in a few races, as a Bojan springs to mind.

1094
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: Very good. I think that's warranted, does deserve many points

1095
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: this year.

1096
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 2: Voucheri Botas helped along nicely into ninth by the three

1097
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 2: points I gave them today on a casual one hundred

1098
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 2: and twenty one. I don't remember where the other one

1099
00:53:56,400 --> 00:54:00,280
Speaker 2: hundred and eighteen come from, but the three for signing

1100
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 2: with Mercedes have made all the difference. I do remember, though.

1101
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 2: In eighth place on three hundred and twenty nine points

1102
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 2: is Ralph Schumacher. Yes, because he made the announcement of

1103
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 2: his personal life this year, which I think was fabulous.

1104
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 2: So he got a point for every point that he

1105
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 2: scored in his formul one career, which is three hundred

1106
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 2: and twenty nine of them points. Structures changed since then,

1107
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 2: so it's not really right. Probably scored more if he

1108
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 2: was racing in modern Formula one, but three to twenty

1109
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 2: nine points. I think that was a fair reward. He

1110
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 2: sits one place behind a man on four hundred and

1111
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 2: ninety five points Leam Lawson, which I was surprisingly high

1112
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 2: for a bloke who's had eleven races, only.

1113
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: Six of yes, very lucrative six races this season, isn't it.

1114
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 2: I need to correct that. I need to take forty

1115
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 2: seven points often that's four hundred and forty eight.

1116
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,280
Speaker 1: So still impressive, still impressive.

1117
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 2: Makes makes no meaningful change to his position next place.

1118
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:58,399
Speaker 2: The already of this is not lost on me. Next

1119
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 2: best or in sixth place, one nine hundred and sixty

1120
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 2: nine points. It's Yuki Sonoda. The irony that Yuki beat

1121
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 2: Liam by the order of what about four? Yes, that

1122
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 2: that deeply amuses Yes.

1123
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 1: And you gave him all those points, I believe for

1124
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: racing in a nineteen sixty one crash helmet at goodwoe.

1125
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, he raised an over faous home. It's a good

1126
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:24,879
Speaker 2: which I thought that was that was kind of good.

1127
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 2: I also gave all the next points one nine hundred

1128
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 2: and ninety one because the DJ on the grid and

1129
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 2: guitar played sells like teen spirit. It just put me

1130
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 2: in a good mood, so I was bouncing around for

1131
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 2: the rest of the day. That was worth a lot

1132
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 2: of points. So you know, the DJ got nearly two

1133
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 2: thousand points, because why not in fourth place Aston Martin

1134
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 2: given that, given that Lawrence and Lancer both already appeared

1135
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,840
Speaker 2: on this a third entry for Auston Martin fourth place

1136
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:01,320
Speaker 2: with two and twenty four points, I think that's for

1137
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 2: making the signing of twenty twenty.

1138
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 1: Four as it should be, as we should remember it

1139
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 1: for this year. We certainly won't remember them for their

1140
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 1: on track results this year. Why not? They're off track

1141
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 1: signing and.

1142
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 2: In third place. I think we did big drum rolls

1143
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 2: and all sorts of stuff. Maybe another musical number, bring

1144
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 2: Neil Patrick Harris back in third place. We probably need

1145
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 2: to change the name of this though, because it's Andretti

1146
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:28,959
Speaker 2: Ah Andretti in third place on twenty and twenty six points,

1147
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 2: presumably again one point for the year in which they're

1148
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 2: going to start in Formula one or propose to start

1149
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 2: in Formula one. Do we need to refer them as

1150
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 2: Andretti or Cadillac or GM or the team formerly known

1151
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 2: as Andretti. It's a good question, is that we're just

1152
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 2: simplifying call it Minardi. Ah, maybe we'll just do that now.

1153
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:54,399
Speaker 2: It brings us to second place. It was a big year,

1154
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 2: fifty nine million points. He's been in a safe second

1155
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 2: place for a long time, as safe as PA Championship

1156
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 2: Adrian Newey.

1157
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: Yes, I believe that's for every reported dollar he set

1158
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:07,720
Speaker 1: to earn from Aston Martin.

1159
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's that's a big whore.

1160
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 1: I mean fifty both in terms of points and in

1161
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: terms of literally the money from Aston Mark.

1162
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 2: But it's still like it's still not a not holding

1163
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 2: a candle to first place. Absolute runaway winner on eight billion,

1164
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 2: two hundred billion and one is Daniel Ricardo.

1165
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 1: Yes, and this is of course the one point was

1166
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: for the one point for fastest lape that he didn't

1167
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 1: get in Singapore because he finished outside the top ten,

1168
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 1: and the other eight billion, whatever it is, is for

1169
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 1: every person on Earth. I believe because he won. The

1170
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 1: fan Driver of the Day has a theoretical reach of

1171
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 1: one hundred percent of the global population.

1172
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 2: So I think I think the world wanted him to

1173
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 2: go out in a high he didn't make, you know,

1174
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 2: and the championship that doesn't matter, the World Championship, the

1175
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 2: former word World Championship, but the one that does. He

1176
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 2: is the inaugural champion of the Pit Talk Alternative Championship,

1177
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 2: the one that everyone wants even though they don't know

1178
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 2: it exists.

1179
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 1: Yes, a worthy and deserved winner is Daniel Ricardo. And

1180
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 1: on that note, that's all the time we have for

1181
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 1: pit Talk today and indeed this season. Ahead of twenty

1182
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 1: twenty five. You can subscribe to Pittalk wherever you get

1183
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 1: your favorite podcasts, and you can leave us a rating

1184
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 1: at review as well. You can give up to date

1185
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 1: with all the latest on news throughout the off season

1186
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 1: at Fox sports dot com dot Au and Speedcafe dot Com. Matt,

1187
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 1: it's been a pleasure to talk you through this season,

1188
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: of course, the Alternative Championships.

1189
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 2: It's been a thing. The Alternative Championship has just run

1190
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 2: away like a train with no breaks, just like the

1191
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 2: end of the twenty twenty four season. It was a cracker.

1192
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 2: Let's hope that twenty twenty five is just as good

1193
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 2: as it gives us lots of storylines to pick out

1194
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 2: and pull out and argue about and take points.

1195
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: Off for absolutely and my name's been Michael Lomonado. Thanks

1196
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 1: ver much for your company. We'll catch you next season.