Speaker 1: I'll get a team. It's Craig, Anthony Heart, Tiffany and Cook, Patrick,
Speaker 1: James Bonillo. It is you projected as a Friday. As
Speaker 1: we record, it's five minutes past nine here in the
Speaker 1: thriving metropolis of Melbourne where Tiffany and Cook is. It's
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four and it's about nine ninety eight where
Speaker 1: Patrick is.
Speaker 2: Hi everyone, Hi, Hi, gee, that was two in one go.
Speaker 3: That's two.
Speaker 1: I've just come in off the long run and I've
Speaker 1: just released a fastball tiff House, Tassi.
Speaker 4: I've literally just come in off a long run. See
Speaker 4: I've read my faces.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was looking at your face. I'm thinking you're
Speaker 1: either really embarrassed or you've been doing something where your
Speaker 1: heart rate's over one hundred.
Speaker 3: It definitely is like running.
Speaker 4: How good is it?
Speaker 3: Though?
Speaker 1: How far you right?
Speaker 3: It is?
Speaker 1: What's your hard you run?
Speaker 3: I run ten cays and what's your heart rate? Well?
Speaker 4: I got a little message on my garm and my
Speaker 4: ma's heart rate just got increased to two oh one.
Speaker 3: So what is it now?
Speaker 2: We should track it in five minutes, Craig, go and
Speaker 2: then incrementally see what.
Speaker 1: It depends how long ago she stopped like if she
Speaker 1: stopped three minutes ago, that would be interesting, but if
Speaker 1: she stopped ten minutes ago, it wouldn't be How long, goo,
Speaker 1: did you.
Speaker 4: Finish fifteen minutes ago?
Speaker 3: There you go?
Speaker 1: So what's your heart rate right now? Can I guess?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Sixty one?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: What is it ninety? I actually have a high working
Speaker 4: heart rate. My resting heart rates fifty right now luck
Speaker 4: this week, right now. But when I move and exercise
Speaker 4: it goes up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not necessarily what's yours? Patrick? I see you
Speaker 1: looking at your bloody data there on your wrist.
Speaker 2: Well, my heart rate at the moment is varying between
Speaker 2: about sixty if it's actually going up now it was
Speaker 2: sixty two, it's now gone up to sixty four. But
Speaker 2: my average is fifty three. So what is it about?
Speaker 3: Sitting in the room with you too, I'll tell you
Speaker 3: what I'm going to take.
Speaker 1: Don't you look at it. I'm going to take my
Speaker 1: shirt off and then let's see what happens.
Speaker 3: And then can Tiff take her shirt off?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: See, I nearly didn't put it on. I was that hot.
Speaker 4: I only that's why I was a little bit later
Speaker 4: I thought I'd better put my shirt on.
Speaker 1: I think thanks for that. We're a family show.
Speaker 3: It's got to seventy four. What the hell have you
Speaker 3: even not off yet? It was Gus about it.
Speaker 1: That's the thought of my pets being on the screen.
Speaker 3: You's going back now, it's going higher.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you couldn't fucking cope, bro, Patrick, how's life in
Speaker 1: the bush? You know?
Speaker 2: As I wandered down to my little studio, I picked
Speaker 2: an apple from the tree as I sat down.
Speaker 3: I mean, isn't life great?
Speaker 1: I know? I'll tell you what. There's no one in
Speaker 1: not too many people in suburbia picking an apple on
Speaker 1: the way to their podcast studio, that is, or their
Speaker 1: recording studio. I don't think I've ever heard that sentence,
Speaker 1: and probably never will again, Tiff, just before we talk
Speaker 1: about actual things, have you seen your granddad yet?
Speaker 3: No? Not yet.
Speaker 4: He's out for a country to drive today with some
Speaker 4: friends before they go back to wherever they came from.
Speaker 1: And how's one hundred and one looking on him?
Speaker 4: Mate? How exciting?
Speaker 1: Really good?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Oh that's amazing.
Speaker 4: Yeah he's kicking it. Wow, mate, I am good.
Speaker 3: Geens that helps doesn't when?
Speaker 2: Yeah, look at that for a lineage pedigree.
Speaker 3: He's Luna what have you done with Luna while you're away?
Speaker 4: She's here with me. Yeah, come on the boat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny, isn't it because they have two new
Speaker 2: ships because you had to put Luna in a little
Speaker 2: pound though, didn't you during the voyage? Because you know
Speaker 2: the new ships that they've built that are currently I
Speaker 2: think on'es in Norway ones in Scotland, they're now like
Speaker 2: two or three years away. But the thing is you
Speaker 2: were able to have in the new ships. You're going
Speaker 2: to be able to go from Victoria Tasmane and back
Speaker 2: and have your dog in the cabin with you.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, how good? Sayd I can't wait.
Speaker 1: You can't pull the obvious question. I'm not even going
Speaker 1: to ask it, but can you answer the obvious question?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 1: Or come on?
Speaker 3: I don't know what's the obvious question? Well?
Speaker 1: Ship the dog shit?
Speaker 2: Well you dogs trained, Fritz will go for nine hours
Speaker 2: without having to go.
Speaker 4: There's no reted area on the ship where they can
Speaker 4: take them for we wiz.
Speaker 1: Yes, do they call that the ship shipping area?
Speaker 3: Holy ship? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Holy ship? All right, let's talk about technology, because that
Speaker 1: that's our that's our mission, that's allegedly our mission every time.
Speaker 2: Mate, Look, I just you know, I was reading social
Speaker 2: media gets me a little bit riled. Okay, so I
Speaker 2: stopped social media. I think about eight years ago. I
Speaker 2: stopped using it personally. And it is a to get
Speaker 2: caught up in the momentum of comments because once upon
Speaker 2: a time, journalism was filtered. You had an editor and
Speaker 2: anything that was published was vetted before it went. Now
Speaker 2: with social media, it's like a you know, it's electronic vomit.
Speaker 2: Anybody can say anything at any time, and it sparks debate.
Speaker 2: And I was reading an article yesterday and flicking doom scrolling,
Speaker 2: and it was an article in reaction to a radio
Speaker 2: segment where people were getting really riled up about taking
Speaker 2: your dogs to Bunnings. So for about eight years, the
Speaker 2: Bunnings hardware store allows people to take their dogs.
Speaker 3: So Fritzy comes with me all the time.
Speaker 2: I love taking Fritzy to Bunnings and I put him
Speaker 2: into the trolley and everyone loves Fritzy, so people come
Speaker 2: over and pat him, and kids, you know, love him.
Speaker 2: He's a great cute little dog and he's well behaved.
Speaker 2: But it sparked all this controversy. But the article that
Speaker 2: was published was just in reaction to this radio segment,
Speaker 2: so really the journalist hadn't done any work.
Speaker 3: It was just oating segments.
Speaker 2: And what fascinated me was there are probably about seventy comments,
Speaker 2: and I started flicking through the comments, and what really
Speaker 2: got me was the anger, the absolute anger and angst
Speaker 2: at people firing off at each other. So someone said, oh,
Speaker 2: I can bring the dog, but you know, you shouldn't
Speaker 2: let kids because kids are worse than pets. And other
Speaker 2: people were saying, and I've seen dogs dogs pee on
Speaker 2: the you know, on the products, and Buddings has this
Speaker 2: philosophy that basically most dogs are actually well behaved. If
Speaker 2: you're going to bring them into a large place like bunings,
Speaker 2: most people do the right thing and it's very rare.
Speaker 2: And if they do have an accident, well they have
Speaker 2: clean up crews and that you can get a dog
Speaker 2: bag and clean clean up after them. So they just
Speaker 2: take that approach. But there it was so vehement, and
Speaker 2: it's not so much the topic of whether you should
Speaker 2: or shouldn't take dogs into places like buntings, because if
Speaker 2: you go to Europe, you can take your dog anywhere.
Speaker 2: You can go to a restaurant and if your dog's
Speaker 2: well behaved, sits on the ground. You had a really
Speaker 2: nice restaurant that in Vienna. It was amazing, a really
Speaker 2: high class restaurant, and the people we were meeting had
Speaker 2: a dog and it was fantastic. And because I like
Speaker 2: to take my dog with me, then there's the idea
Speaker 2: of companion dogs or support dogs. But what got me
Speaker 2: more so it wasn't so much the debate but the
Speaker 2: anger and just the fiery tension between the respondents. You know,
Speaker 2: you've got the yes side the no side, but the
Speaker 2: personal digs were people were making at each other.
Speaker 3: So what causes that frenzy? And it does?
Speaker 2: I mean you've probably seen those sorts of threads or
Speaker 2: those comments or reactions on socials where people just get
Speaker 2: so irate. And then it made me think, well, I
Speaker 2: was going to respond because as you know, I'm a
Speaker 2: passionate dog owner. Fritzy sitting right next to me in
Speaker 2: my chair. But the reality of it is I started
Speaker 2: to type and I thought, what am I going to
Speaker 2: achieve by having to go at this person for saying
Speaker 2: what they did or you know, trying to exercise my opinion?
Speaker 3: And I just pulled back from it.
Speaker 2: I deleted the message and I thought, I just don't
Speaker 2: want to engage people.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, maybe because you don't do social media,
Speaker 1: Tiff and I are going, yeah, of course, Patrick, this
Speaker 1: is what social media like. This is not I don't
Speaker 1: mean to be rude. This is no revelation at all.
Speaker 1: Like this is all day, every day on social media.
Speaker 1: It's interesting. But look, here's what I think. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a revelation and it's interesting for you, and it's
Speaker 1: good for me to see that because I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: so used to that and desensitized to that, and that's
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, of course, but here's what you did
Speaker 1: that's great is you consciously went I'm not giving this
Speaker 1: my attention or energy. And I think that's the like
Speaker 1: the good and bad of social media is like I
Speaker 1: have over one hundred thousand followers on social media and
Speaker 1: I only put good things into the world, and ninety
Speaker 1: nine percent of the feedback that I get is positive
Speaker 1: ninety nine percent, So I think it depends like to
Speaker 1: me ultimately, can you hear that ambulance you guys? No?
Speaker 3: Right mate?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, pretty good?
Speaker 3: It wasn't for you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, thanks, yeah, you hang on, am I having
Speaker 1: a heart noe? But I think, like, ultimately, what is
Speaker 1: social media? It's a technology that we can use. It's
Speaker 1: a resource and if you want to, you know, it's
Speaker 1: like you can kill someone with a knife or make
Speaker 1: your dinner with a knife. Like ultimately most of them
Speaker 1: think most of the things that we have or kill
Speaker 1: someone and then make them your dinner. Yeah, sure there's that,
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't recommend it. But it's like all of
Speaker 1: these things are just tools and resources. So I don't
Speaker 1: know that social media is arbitrarily bad or that it's
Speaker 1: all vomit. I don't think the stuff I put into
Speaker 1: the world via social media, I'm using the same platforms
Speaker 1: that all the hate is on, but I choose to
Speaker 1: put positive stuff. So I think it's personal responsibility. I
Speaker 1: don't follow any of the horrible, ugly, you know, bullshitty ones,
Speaker 1: and if it comes, something comes, I just scroll past
Speaker 1: or I delete it. I think it's about using it consciously.
Speaker 1: But you do raise a good point, like so much
Speaker 1: of what is on there is fucking horrible, but you've
Speaker 1: got to self regulate.
Speaker 2: I was more thinking also in terms of whether you
Speaker 2: engage or not, and I almost did, and then I
Speaker 2: really stepped back from it.
Speaker 3: I thought it through. It's funny.
Speaker 2: I a friend of mine was, you know when you
Speaker 2: send when someone sends an angry letter, they called it
Speaker 2: a shitt agram.
Speaker 3: I just really hit a gram fun it's funny. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I thought that was quite funny.
Speaker 2: But the problem with putting anything in writing is that
Speaker 2: if you get angry in writing, you can I can
Speaker 2: get angry with you right now, and then we'll shake
Speaker 2: hands about it, and you know, buy each other a
Speaker 2: coffee and we'll be fine. But if you put it
Speaker 2: in writing, then you go back to it two days
Speaker 2: later and you reread it and just as angry as
Speaker 2: you were the first time you read it, and then
Speaker 2: again and you get more angry, and you read it again,
Speaker 2: and it keeps firing you up. And we have a
Speaker 2: little internal policy in my office that if you feel
Speaker 2: riled and you're going to send a challenging email, you
Speaker 2: never put the email address in to the person you're
Speaker 2: either responding to. So if you hit reply, take their
Speaker 2: email address out, get it out on paper if you
Speaker 2: feel you need to, or type it up or whatever.
Speaker 2: But generally, if you walk away ten spend five minutes
Speaker 2: and then come back to it it Actually you've calmed down.
Speaker 2: I mean my heart rate dropped down to fifty two
Speaker 2: just a moment ago. So whatever it was that was
Speaker 2: riled me up that not you know, the thought of
Speaker 2: your shirt coming off or something.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but you.
Speaker 1: Know, I mean, yeah, like what this is getting off topic.
Speaker 1: We'll get on tech, but this is my little wheelhouse.
Speaker 1: You know. It's like everyone thinks they're right. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 1: this is the thing, whatever side you're on, religious, political,
Speaker 1: whatever the issue, whatever the topic. Nobody who's writing that thing,
Speaker 1: whatever angle or approach or perspective they have, nobody thinks
Speaker 1: they're wrong. And this is the problem, you know, Like
Speaker 1: I now, after getting things wrong, something's wrong and something's right.
Speaker 1: For sixty years, I pretty much assume that anything that
Speaker 1: I say, there's the potential that I'm wrong about it,
Speaker 1: you know, or anything for which I don't have absolute
Speaker 1: evidence or proof, Like if it's an opinion or an
Speaker 1: idea or a theory, I'm well aware that I could
Speaker 1: be wrong, and so I try not to wrap too
Speaker 1: much emotion around it and go, look, this is what
Speaker 1: I think, and this is why I think it. But
Speaker 1: I could be wrong. You know, I think like a
Speaker 1: world where people don't have to be right all the time.
Speaker 1: We're never going to live in that world. But fuck,
Speaker 1: that'd be a nicer place to inhabit, wouldn't it.
Speaker 3: But isn't it interesting?
Speaker 2: Though? We were talking about your thesis, and the whole
Speaker 2: premise of sign is that you challenge, You always put
Speaker 2: up and propose new ideas, and nothing is ever definitely,
Speaker 2: infinitely written in stone as such, is it?
Speaker 1: YEA, Yeah, that's true. I mean science is always evolving,
Speaker 1: and knowledge is always evolving, and the way that we
Speaker 1: design studies and run studies and interpret data, and I think, look,
Speaker 1: it depends on the science. You know, when you talk
Speaker 1: about biology and physiology and engineering and all of those things,
Speaker 1: they're like hard sciences, whereas psychology is ah and I
Speaker 1: love psychology, but it's very It's hard to measure the
Speaker 1: mind because there is no such thing as onto logically,
Speaker 1: which means there's no actual evidence for a mind. But
Speaker 1: we're studying the mind and the workings of the mind
Speaker 1: because all of the kind of processing actually happens in
Speaker 1: the brain. So when you do it, even if I
Speaker 1: said this yes on a podcast, but if you do
Speaker 1: a search. If you go to any AI thing and
Speaker 1: say is there evidence Is there scientific, hard evidence that
Speaker 1: the mind exists, it'll say no, because all thinking and
Speaker 1: all data processing and all interpretation actually happens in the brain.
Speaker 1: So the mind, as we understand it, it's a concept
Speaker 1: that helps us decode the workings of the brain. And
Speaker 1: it's not a bad thing. But yeah, anyway, come.
Speaker 3: On, all right.
Speaker 2: I heard a new term the other day, digital shoplifting,
Speaker 2: and it kind of blew my mind a little bit.
Speaker 3: I hadn't ever thought about this.
Speaker 2: So there was a bit of a research study that
Speaker 2: was done and it was about a lot of wealthy
Speaker 2: gen zs and millennials.
Speaker 3: This is in the US, and evidently.
Speaker 2: Half of them, who were earning over one hundred thousand
Speaker 2: dollars US, have admitted to digital shoplifting.
Speaker 3: What's digital shoplifting? You ask, think, yes, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yes, what Patrick, Hey, I have a question? What's digital shoplifting?
Speaker 3: I'm glad you asked, Craig.
Speaker 2: So, what happens is if you go online and you
Speaker 2: make a purchase and that item arrives, you then go
Speaker 2: back to the seller and say item didn't arrive, item
Speaker 2: was broken, item got lost, and then in a lot
Speaker 2: of cases, the online resellers will basically do you a
Speaker 2: refund or send you another item. So it's people being
Speaker 2: deceptive and there's not a lot of recourse. This is
Speaker 2: really interesting because if I walked into a shop.
Speaker 1: And I feel like we shouldn't be sharing this information,
Speaker 1: I feel like you're encouraging bad behavior because.
Speaker 3: We've got the best listeners. Ever, no one's going to
Speaker 3: do that.
Speaker 1: There's a few dodgy motherfuckers that listen. Don't worry about that.
Speaker 1: You know who you are.
Speaker 2: So anyway, so Craig is going to go out and
Speaker 2: buy a new motorbike tomorrow exactly. So it would never
Speaker 2: have occurred to me, Am I just like naive or something.
Speaker 2: But they say half half of these people will earn
Speaker 2: over one hundred thousand US. That's probably nearly two hundred
Speaker 2: thousand Australian. And in fact, I think the Australian dollars dropped again, so.
Speaker 1: I think it's a million Australian, it's ten million Australian.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but isn't that interesting? Do you think it's a mindset?
Speaker 2: I don't know how you could kind of, you know,
Speaker 2: kind of define this. And also how you could justify
Speaker 2: it because I think one of the problems when you
Speaker 2: order online, you're not seeing the shopkeeper. You know, if
Speaker 2: I walk into someone's store and the owner of the
Speaker 2: store standing right there, it's going to be really hard
Speaker 2: to steal from somebody who's a person, who's someone you
Speaker 2: can relate to, who's working hard, who's packing boxes, and
Speaker 2: you know, and there's obviously obviously making.
Speaker 3: A living out of what they're doing.
Speaker 2: But that whole fire wall that break, you know, the
Speaker 2: digital divide between you and the other person, whether it's
Speaker 2: social media and making a I meant to another person's
Speaker 2: name and not actually seeing them in public. Because when
Speaker 2: we were talking about social media a moment ago, a
Speaker 2: lot of what people say they probably wouldn't say to
Speaker 2: their face if you were standing in a room together,
Speaker 2: or certainly the you know, the dialogue wouldn't be as
Speaker 2: heated because you have an opportunity to be able to
Speaker 2: interact with the person, and it's that you're introducing the
Speaker 2: personality and the humanity of the person.
Speaker 3: And I guess in the same way because.
Speaker 2: People you know, and I know we're kind of targeting
Speaker 2: Gen zs and millennials, but the reality of it is
Speaker 2: anybody can do this online, and I think there is
Speaker 2: a separation. If it's on Amazon, it's like this big company.
Speaker 2: I can justify myself.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, you make a very good point. And I
Speaker 1: think that, yeah, because it's it's like there's nothing really personal,
Speaker 1: there's no emotional you're not seeing another human, you're not
Speaker 1: interacting with another human. Typically. Yeah, look, I I think.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've owned lots of businesses and some you know,
Speaker 1: I've had people steal from me a lot and people
Speaker 1: you wouldn't think, Yeah, so I don't have and it
Speaker 1: sounds cynical and negative. I'm not trying to be. But
Speaker 1: my experience is that people, even people close to you,
Speaker 1: will steal if they think they can steal and get
Speaker 1: away with it, which people are going to say, I
Speaker 1: can't believe you would say it's very negative.
Speaker 3: It's not.
Speaker 1: No, I'm literally just reporting what has happened. I have
Speaker 1: a quick story, right, and it's about who would steal
Speaker 1: and like trust And you think, so I went to
Speaker 1: I went away to do a gig and I was
Speaker 1: staying in a staying in New Zealand, and I trained
Speaker 1: at this big, amazing gym and I had a bunch
Speaker 1: of stuff. I've think.
Speaker 2: Can I just say something before you go on? We
Speaker 2: actually have spoken about this that's wrong with the cameras
Speaker 2: and the guyings. I apologize sorry listeners, Yeah, go back
Speaker 2: to a previous episode because it was it's actually a
Speaker 2: really good story.
Speaker 3: But short of it is that new camera.
Speaker 1: Anyway, Sorry that they thought they could anyway, he thought
Speaker 1: one or two of his staff was stealing, and the
Speaker 1: bottom line was they were nearly all stealing, all of them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, even like friends and shit. So given the
Speaker 1: opportunity to steal, I think sometimes and I think also
Speaker 1: when stuff like you're talking about, maybe they don't. I
Speaker 1: think they don't even think of that as stealing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like they would never think I'm a thief, but
Speaker 1: it's literally stealing.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think the only thing you can steal Crago
Speaker 3: is your heart.
Speaker 1: Oh god, no, no, you can definitely steal money. I'm
Speaker 1: interested in cars. Of course, as you know, Tesla is
Speaker 1: not going great in Australia at the moment.
Speaker 2: Oh look, there's always a slump at the start of
Speaker 2: the year, so there's always a bit of a glitch
Speaker 2: in the car market, particularly with Tesla. So there's always
Speaker 2: been this traditional drop, but it's been bigger than usual.
Speaker 2: And look, a lot of people are putting it down
Speaker 2: to the whole tech bro thing with the election in
Speaker 2: the US, and there's been a real shift away from
Speaker 2: Elon Musk. And he's forever connected with the Tesla company.
Speaker 2: So when you buy a Tesla, I guess there's a
Speaker 2: real sense that there's that close connection to Elon Musk.
Speaker 3: It's his company, and you know, there's been.
Speaker 2: I guess, a real kickback to the way that Elon
Speaker 2: Musk has presented himself his alignment with Donald Trump. And
Speaker 2: they're really saying now that that's been like we're talking
Speaker 2: a drop of sixty percent below the same time last year.
Speaker 3: It's a massive slump in the market.
Speaker 2: I think they only sold about five hundred cars this
Speaker 2: month or something last month, so it's been a big drop.
Speaker 2: And I did a bit of a search because I
Speaker 2: don't know if you've seen the bumper stickers on some
Speaker 2: Tesla's now people are putting bumper stickers on their car
Speaker 2: saying I bought this before we knew I was crazy.
Speaker 2: It's like a disclaimer and I have I saw one
Speaker 2: on the gar and Mel that where someone was driving
Speaker 2: a Tesla and.
Speaker 3: There was a story somewhere.
Speaker 2: It might might have been in the US where a
Speaker 2: guy had bought a Tesla and then he returned it
Speaker 2: and said I don't want it anymore. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: pretty extreme, but I thought that was really interesting that that,
Speaker 2: you know, you can have such a negative impact just
Speaker 2: by the way you're presented, and that could you know,
Speaker 2: mean well impact on the car.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know, because I don't know
Speaker 1: that correlation is causation. Like also, what's happened in the
Speaker 1: last year or two in Australia is a massive influx
Speaker 1: of other electric cars, like yeah, yeah, like byd who
Speaker 1: basically have a car which is as good or better
Speaker 1: than a Tesla three for about twenty grand cheaper. So
Speaker 1: you could be right, But I don't know. The fact
Speaker 1: that some people think that Elon's crazy and the numbers
Speaker 1: are down, I don't know that like that that is
Speaker 1: the cause. It could be, but I think it's more
Speaker 1: nuanced than that. I mean, there are huge amount you know,
Speaker 1: when Tesla was stand alone, they had no competition, and
Speaker 1: now in Australia and all around the world, there's vast
Speaker 1: competition from lots of other brands who are producing more
Speaker 1: and more incredible cars for significantly less, and some of
Speaker 1: them with up to ten year warranties like.
Speaker 3: But the article I did take that into consideration.
Speaker 2: They did show and they talked about the Australian market
Speaker 2: having a slump in terms of Tesla sales now that
Speaker 2: we're getting flooded with Chinese car makers, But that was
Speaker 2: taken into account. So even when you look at the
Speaker 2: trajectory of the ev market starting to get a real
Speaker 2: momentum with Chinese cars, that still didn't account for the
Speaker 2: bigger drop than usual in January of those sales. So
Speaker 2: I think it plays a little bit of a part.
Speaker 2: But you're absolutely right, it's amazing what the influx of
Speaker 2: Chinese cars on the market are reasonable prices because previously,
Speaker 2: you know, three years ago, I bought my hybrid car,
Speaker 2: but I probably would have now.
Speaker 3: In hindsight, probably would have bought an electric.
Speaker 2: And this is an interesting one too, because a lot
Speaker 2: of people are resistant to the idea of getting electric
Speaker 2: because there's this notion that they don't last as long.
Speaker 2: And a little bit of research that came out recently
Speaker 2: was saying that the average electric car will have an
Speaker 2: eighteen year life span, which is not dissimilar to the
Speaker 2: most petrol cars as well, So in terms of longevity
Speaker 2: of the vehicle, it's not that much. The only real
Speaker 2: hindrance I think for a lot of people is the
Speaker 2: charging time. It's getting better, so there are more cars,
Speaker 2: and you're talking about the Chinese cars. There are some
Speaker 2: that can almost go to full charge in twenty minutes.
Speaker 2: But then again, I'm not going to stand at a
Speaker 2: petrol bowser for twenty minutes.
Speaker 1: To you, No, no, I'm definitely not. No, I've joined
Speaker 1: the hybrid clan like you. It's fucking ridiculous. My car
Speaker 1: gets twelve hundred kilometers on it on a tank. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's so ridiculous. Like it goes so far, like you
Speaker 1: could drive from Melbourne to Sydney and halfway back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: super efficient.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now that that's pretty amazing stuff. Mike, car certainly
Speaker 2: hasn't got that sort of range, but it's pretty good.
Speaker 2: Seven hundred kilometers is more than most electric cars out
Speaker 2: on the road. It's probably, you know, in the ninety
Speaker 2: fifth percentile. There's no chance that an electric are at
Speaker 2: this stage just going to have that sort of that
Speaker 2: sort of range. And as you say, if I wanted
Speaker 2: to drive to Adelaide, no problem, and if I want
Speaker 2: to stop, you know, I can fill up the tank
Speaker 2: and a how long does it take to fill up
Speaker 2: the tank?
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know, a few minutes and you're
Speaker 3: off and running again. So to speak.
Speaker 1: I reckon right now with just an opinion, I reckon
Speaker 1: hybrid is the I think that's the best option at
Speaker 1: the moment. I think moving forward that will probably change.
Speaker 1: But speaking of cars, tell me about the self fixing
Speaker 1: pothole mechanism or I can't see it, but I read
Speaker 1: it before.
Speaker 3: How cool is this?
Speaker 1: This is some recently there we go self healing road.
Speaker 2: I know, I started reading into this and it kind
Speaker 2: of is almost creepy at the same time. So in Swansea,
Speaker 2: right at the university there, what they're trying to do
Speaker 2: is in bed tiny plant spores mixed into the bitchumen
Speaker 2: and they say to'll extend the life span of bitchmen
Speaker 2: by thirty percent.
Speaker 3: Because what happens is you get cracks in the.
Speaker 2: Road and then they fill with water, and when the
Speaker 2: water gets into the cracks, that causes pockets of water.
Speaker 3: And that's what breaks down the bitchumen.
Speaker 2: But what they're saying is with the plant spores, once
Speaker 2: a crack appears, the spores then enlarge and fill up
Speaker 2: the hole, so you don't get water into the potholes.
Speaker 2: So it means that you'll get less potholes, so in
Speaker 2: a way, it is self healing.
Speaker 3: It's really cool tech, isn't it?
Speaker 1: And smart?
Speaker 3: Yeah, isn't that great? And I thought, how interesting is that?
Speaker 2: So you know, using that biotech and the other thing too,
Speaker 2: of course, because bitchumin is petrochemical, isn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, whereas you know, using plant spores. I mean, I
Speaker 2: know it's not going to replace bitjumen, but certainly I
Speaker 2: thought it was an amazing concept.
Speaker 3: I love how.
Speaker 2: People come up with these ideas. Where would that in
Speaker 2: your wildest dream would you even have conceived of that
Speaker 2: of a way to extend the life of bitchumen by
Speaker 2: putting sports.
Speaker 1: I can barely time my fucking shoes, so don't I mean,
Speaker 1: don't look to me for anything innovative. So the thing
Speaker 1: I was going to say that the term on everybody's lips,
Speaker 1: but that's not true. But the thing that's taken a
Speaker 1: lot of people's attention or curiosity over the last few
Speaker 1: weeks is a thing called deep Seek. I know what
Speaker 1: it is. Maybe some of our listeners don't know what
Speaker 1: it is, but what's the story around that? Firstly, tell
Speaker 1: our list is what it is and what's going on
Speaker 1: with that?
Speaker 2: Wow, this is so controversial versual. So deep Seek I
Speaker 2: think it came out in about November last year and
Speaker 2: it was a bit of it kind of sat around
Speaker 2: for a little bit. It's a Chinese AI, the equivalent
Speaker 2: of chat GPT. Now what's caused the biggest stir is
Speaker 2: the amount of money they claim to make. Deep Seek
Speaker 2: was actually a lot less. I mean we're talking a
Speaker 2: fraction fraction fraction of the cost because at the moment
Speaker 2: to make an AI, you need to use in Video chips. Now,
Speaker 2: in Video is the company that manufactures the best quality
Speaker 2: chips in the world microchips, and they are the most
Speaker 2: wealthy company in the world in terms of how much
Speaker 2: their company is worth. So when this and then what
Speaker 2: the American government was doing was restricting the sale of
Speaker 2: in Vidia chips to China to prevent China from developing
Speaker 2: your Chinese companies from developing their own AI. And this
Speaker 2: is kind of cool in a little way. The guy
Speaker 2: who's behind this new AI, the Chinese AI, actually studied
Speaker 2: in Australia, so there's a little kind of local link
Speaker 2: for us as well. I think he started in Melbourne. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so effectively, this amazing deep Seak comes out. It's cheaper
Speaker 2: and they've used old chips, so they haven't gone for
Speaker 2: the new stuff. They haven't been able to purchase it
Speaker 2: or get access to it. So they've managed to do
Speaker 2: what no one else could possibly have envisaged they could do.
Speaker 2: So everyone said, you can't do it, you can't build
Speaker 2: an AI platform that's powerful using old chips, and they
Speaker 2: did it. And this is what they're claiming that they
Speaker 2: were able to do. And so they've released deep Seek
Speaker 2: and I think what made the momentum and suddenly it
Speaker 2: hit the media is it peaked in the downloads for phones,
Speaker 2: so in the app stores suddenly, all because it was
Speaker 2: November last year or so that it got launched and
Speaker 2: no one thought about it, no one said anything, and
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, it's just peaking with all
Speaker 2: these downloads. But on the end of this, the company
Speaker 2: in video, their stocks plummeted once this came out because really, oh,
Speaker 2: I mean it wiped billions of dollars off their share market.
Speaker 2: I mean it's since climbed its way back and now
Speaker 2: there's kind of these protectionist methods. The Australian government government
Speaker 2: came out this week and said no one working in
Speaker 2: government is allowed to have Deep seek on their phones,
Speaker 2: on government phones, on government computers. Other countries are doing
Speaker 2: the same thing because what they're suggesting is because it's
Speaker 2: a Chinese company, it's also a backdoor for all the
Speaker 2: information on your device to go back to Beijing. There's
Speaker 2: this real paranoia and look, I don't know, I can't
Speaker 2: say yes or no. I'm not a tech person in
Speaker 2: terms of the back end technology, but there's a real
Speaker 2: fear with the Chinese tech and Chinese AI that some
Speaker 2: of this is actually going to go back. So the
Speaker 2: information you're putting in there, the device that you're using
Speaker 2: potentially may have and this is proven, but it may
Speaker 2: have a backdoor that's sending your information to Beijing. Because
Speaker 2: we know that the regime in China has quite rigid
Speaker 2: constraints on tech companies, because the oversight is very different
Speaker 2: in China, the landscape there, the monitoring, the requirements so
Speaker 2: we really don't know what goes on. China is a
Speaker 2: very fascinating country. It's you know, there's so much interest
Speaker 2: around China, and as you know with my Tai Chi,
Speaker 2: I love the culture and I love that side of it.
Speaker 2: But there's still you know, when you think about the
Speaker 2: regime that's running the country and the oversight that's there,
Speaker 2: it asks all the questions and it begs the questions
Speaker 2: what happens with these products that are launched by supposedly
Speaker 2: independent companies and how much oversight is there by Beijing
Speaker 2: and how many requirements are there for that data to
Speaker 2: be given back to Beijing.
Speaker 1: Well I'm not nervous at all. Now, thanks for that, noble.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you there's quite a bit of Ai stuff.
Speaker 2: Tell me what ghost say one think now before you
Speaker 2: do about deep deep Seek. This is the creepiest and
Speaker 2: weirdest little article I read a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 2: so I'm just kind of rejigged in my head. But
Speaker 2: what they found someone was doing some searches and they
Speaker 2: found that what deep Seek was doing was merging English
Speaker 2: and Chinese. So I don't know if you've known people
Speaker 2: who speak multi who are multilingual right. So in fact,
Speaker 2: actually you met some friends of mine the other day
Speaker 2: at a cafe and there's Chris who appeared on the
Speaker 2: show who when he was on work Experience, I made
Speaker 2: him do all the work and the research and we
Speaker 2: realized I was a fraud. And yeah, anyway, so exploiter
Speaker 2: of you know, a young labor, labor not unlike China.
Speaker 2: Let's say, well.
Speaker 1: That's your bloody, that's your oriental influence.
Speaker 3: Oriental influence.
Speaker 1: Okay, I was trying to tye to the influence, I
Speaker 1: should say.
Speaker 2: Anyway, so when you meet people. What I loved about
Speaker 2: so when Chris was growing up, his mother's German and
Speaker 2: he's his father's Australian. And what they did when they
Speaker 2: brought up the kids was they got them to learn
Speaker 2: both languages.
Speaker 3: So people who are multilingual.
Speaker 2: Sometimes when you know, when we think, we think in English.
Speaker 2: And what's always fascinated me is when people who are
Speaker 2: able to really speak two languages or more than one language,
Speaker 2: are able to switch the way that they can think
Speaker 2: and be able to think in a different language. But
Speaker 2: what I find even more fascinating is I've had conversations
Speaker 2: or I've seen Chris talking where he jumps from one
Speaker 2: language to another. So some languages are more descriptive than others,
Speaker 2: so sometimes you can answer. So you know the German
Speaker 2: word schardenfreuder, I love because it basically means happiness at
Speaker 2: the misfortune of others. It's a very funny word. But
Speaker 2: the thing is there's no equivalent in English. So if
Speaker 2: you have a sharden freud a moment or pardon me
Speaker 2: sarten for it, a moment and someone you don't like
Speaker 2: trips over in the gutto or something like that, and
Speaker 2: you look over and you have a bit of a chuckle.
Speaker 2: You don't cause them to fall over, but you laugh
Speaker 2: at them because you don't really like them that much.
Speaker 2: And something happened to them was bad karma, right, So
Speaker 2: that's sharden freuder. So there's no English word. But what
Speaker 2: happened I know this. I'm telling a very long story here, apologies.
Speaker 2: So what happened was deep sex. You shut you shut
Speaker 2: down my New Zealand story. They didn't shut it down.
Speaker 2: I just put it on pause. So Deep Seek started
Speaker 2: thinking in Chinese and English. And there's a real fear
Speaker 2: now with people who look into this, that maybe AI
Speaker 2: can develop its own language. If AI develops its own language,
Speaker 2: which means it could think more quickly, then we won't
Speaker 2: understand it. So when artificial intelligence is able to create
Speaker 2: its own language and it's there, there's a potential there,
Speaker 2: and that's what they saw with deep Seek, then potentially,
Speaker 2: if it's creating its own language, we're locked out of
Speaker 2: the equation. We no longer can understand the way it's thinking.
Speaker 1: Of course, I fuck yes at one hundred percent, like
Speaker 1: that shit is about twelve months away from being sentient,
Speaker 1: from being conscious, from having like people think I'm being funny. No,
Speaker 1: like AI will have its own version of consciousness and awareness,
Speaker 1: and it will independently think in inverted commas and make
Speaker 1: decisions because I mean everyone everyone who knows anything about AI,
Speaker 1: as in the people that at the Gurus, they will
Speaker 1: tell you that right now it's as smart as humans
Speaker 1: or smarter obviously it's got a lot to draw on,
Speaker 1: but that in the not too distant future, it will
Speaker 1: like we will be relegated to the second smartest in
Speaker 1: inverted commas species. And I know it's not a species,
Speaker 1: but it is its own form of intelligence. And this
Speaker 1: presents a whole raft of interesting ethical moral like conversations
Speaker 1: around and what that what that impact because I think
Speaker 1: most of us think that the technology for the most
Speaker 1: part is a positive. I don't know about that. I
Speaker 1: think definitely there are positives, but I think there's shit
Speaker 1: that's going to happen that that maybe one day mankind,
Speaker 1: sorry humankind, will go what the fuck? What the fuck
Speaker 1: were we thinking?
Speaker 2: You know, the thing I can see the application of
Speaker 2: AI is amazing and the ability to be able to
Speaker 2: do so many great things. And you said this earlier
Speaker 2: in the show. You know, if you know you can
Speaker 2: use a knife to cook with and then you can
Speaker 2: use a knife to cause harm and exactly the same way.
Speaker 3: That's how technology is being employed. You know, when it makes.
Speaker 2: Our roads safer, when we can kind of detect if
Speaker 2: a driver is about to fall asleep at the wheel,
Speaker 2: you know, that could be one using an AI algorithm
Speaker 2: with a camera pointing And this is available right now.
Speaker 3: So I guess that's the concern.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know about you, but you know
Speaker 2: you were you were referring to the concept of a
Speaker 2: mind and if AI becomes sentient, then how do you
Speaker 2: turn it off? Because is there an ethical aspect to it?
Speaker 2: If you've got an entity that then is self aware,
Speaker 2: Then where's an obligation on us not to turn it off?
Speaker 2: Isn't there because you're effectively killing an AI or killing
Speaker 2: an entity?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, there are so many. I don't think
Speaker 1: there's an easy answer to that, but it's fucking fascinating conversation.
Speaker 1: Is it alive? Well, it does it have a nervous system.
Speaker 1: Can it feel physical pain? No, you know, can it
Speaker 1: feel emotional pain? Well, you wouldn't think it has emotions.
Speaker 1: Could it simulate emotions, yes, I wouldn't think it can
Speaker 1: have emotions. It definitely can't feel physical pain. It doesn't
Speaker 1: have you know, spiritual people would say, well it doesn't
Speaker 1: have a soul whatever that might or might not mean.
Speaker 1: And I just think, you know, sometimes sometimes we've got
Speaker 1: to be a little bit selfish and go fuck the
Speaker 1: feelings of AI. Like we're talking about eight billion people
Speaker 1: on a planet that we need to you know, you
Speaker 1: don't want to wake up one one day, like humanity
Speaker 1: doesn't want to wake up one day and the fucking
Speaker 1: tech overlords are running the show, you know.
Speaker 3: Eliminator Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, Hey.
Speaker 2: What was the new Zealand story. What were we going
Speaker 2: to say about New Zealand before? Then when I don
Speaker 2: even starts, what do you mean I told you? I
Speaker 2: told you, you said, you've told it before.
Speaker 3: Oh, that one. You're going to say something else and
Speaker 3: I catch you.
Speaker 1: Oh, I definitely wasn't. I saw something that I wanted
Speaker 1: to ask you about cultivated meat before you tell us
Speaker 1: about that? Would you the vegan? Would you eat cultivated
Speaker 1: meat because nothing's suffering and there's no pain.
Speaker 2: No, because I think in the time. So I went
Speaker 2: vegetarian initially for ten years and then became vegan for
Speaker 2: the last four years. And what motivated me was obviously
Speaker 2: animal cruelty initially, but I think as an extension of that,
Speaker 2: I've now felt a little bit of a revulsion to
Speaker 2: eating meat because there's a thought process about it coming
Speaker 2: from an animal. So the concept of eating an animal product,
Speaker 2: actually I find there's a bit of a barrier to that.
Speaker 2: I'm doing a vegan cooking class tonight. By the way, Craig,
Speaker 2: I thought you might be interested if you want to
Speaker 2: come down.
Speaker 1: As in your taking it or your partner.
Speaker 2: No, No, I'm terrible. I'm an awful vegan. I can't I
Speaker 2: come terrible cook? Now I'm going to a class to
Speaker 2: learn how to cook better.
Speaker 1: Look, I'll do my best to be then.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing.
Speaker 1: I think my belly button might need a tending to.
Speaker 1: But I'll get back to you.
Speaker 2: You wouldn't entertain the idea of reducing your meat intake.
Speaker 2: What's your take on meat intake?
Speaker 1: You keep talking about I'm going to fucking increase it,
Speaker 1: So steady on, tell us about tell us about video
Speaker 1: door bell? What's there? I think I need one of
Speaker 1: those video doorbell.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got a ring doorbell.
Speaker 2: What I like about it is that now that I've
Speaker 2: got my studio in the garage out the back of
Speaker 2: the property, because I'm on a quarter acre block, which
Speaker 2: doesn't sound like a lot, but it's a fairly large block,
Speaker 2: and it.
Speaker 1: Means that's in suburbia. That's a veritable farm.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty.
Speaker 2: And I was picking apples on the way here, by
Speaker 2: the way, because my stone fruit aren't ready.
Speaker 1: So is that a humble brag?
Speaker 3: I think it is.
Speaker 2: It's nice to have stuff that you can pick out
Speaker 2: of your garden. I've got what else have I got
Speaker 2: at the moment, I've got Oregon. I've got lots of herbs.
Speaker 2: That's always good.
Speaker 3: Sorry, I'm digressing.
Speaker 1: It's an that paper folding thing. That's omi I just checking.
Speaker 3: Is what you put in your vegan bowlines?
Speaker 4: All right? If you could cook?
Speaker 3: Can I cook well? Have all these herbs? And we're
Speaker 3: a rudimentary cook. A little bit of way of putting it.
Speaker 2: Look, we're all three single people. Where would you rate
Speaker 2: yourself on the cooking scale.
Speaker 1: Perhaps I can actually cook quite well, but I'm lazy.
Speaker 1: I can cook quite well because I've lived by myself
Speaker 1: for two hundred years. But the whole thing of getting
Speaker 1: a whole lot of shit and chopping and preparing and
Speaker 1: sauteing and above for me. Also, I'm fortunate that I
Speaker 1: live with it literally within one kilometer of forty restaurants and.
Speaker 2: From your place to the cafe across the road, there's
Speaker 2: actually been a channel woven into the bitumen from you
Speaker 2: just walking back?
Speaker 1: Are you you haven't seen it? I've got a flying
Speaker 1: fox from the office. I just fucking zip line across
Speaker 1: there like a fucking ninja.
Speaker 3: That would not surprise me.
Speaker 1: Tell me about it. Tell me about these video doorbells.
Speaker 2: Okay, we finished on the we started talking about the meat.
Speaker 2: Were talking about the meat. The doorbells.
Speaker 1: We can do bar all right, we'll finish on them up.
Speaker 1: So tell me what's going on with this new labeling
Speaker 1: for cultivated meat. Sorry, sorry, it's once you started talking
Speaker 1: about vegans myself in the face.
Speaker 3: So the Swiss.
Speaker 2: Organization, right, they have a thing called a V label.
Speaker 2: It's a little leaf logo and basically it certifies whether
Speaker 2: a product is vegan and vegetarian. But now that I
Speaker 2: come up with the SA label, excuse mete for cultivated meat.
Speaker 2: So the idea is you get you get donor cells
Speaker 2: from a cow and you grow them, and you end
Speaker 2: up with a steak that's been grown rather than cut
Speaker 2: from a cow and you know, slaughtered the cow. You've
Speaker 2: just grown it from these cultured these cultured cells. The
Speaker 2: thing is, it's even though it sounds like it's highly processed,
Speaker 2: it isn't. You know, you're just doing exactly what the
Speaker 2: body does. You're you're using donor cells that can then
Speaker 2: replicate and then they grow into whatever it is, you know,
Speaker 2: in this case of steak, So it's not overly processed
Speaker 2: and the amount of water needed, the amount of input
Speaker 2: needed to be able to grow the steak down the track.
Speaker 2: They think it's going to be much better for the
Speaker 2: environment using cultivated meat. Would you eat a cultivated meat
Speaker 2: steak if it was available to you side by side
Speaker 2: with another surline?
Speaker 1: No, why, I don't want to.
Speaker 2: But but if you knew it was better for the planet,
Speaker 2: if you knew that an animal hadn't been slaughtered and
Speaker 2: b it used a lot less water, a lot less resources,
Speaker 2: it wasn't belching out cock.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm not giving you the answer you want.
Speaker 1: How dare I not agree with you?
Speaker 3: No, Tiff? Would you? Would you try one? At least?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 3: Just it weeds me out that it's been grown.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just think you're interfering with everything. Something something
Speaker 4: I reckon.
Speaker 1: God or whomever built the hours for a reason. It
Speaker 1: wasn't but it wasn't for them just to fucking die
Speaker 1: of old age.
Speaker 2: Oh man, Yeah, let's get onto it. What was it
Speaker 2: at the topic of the let's go to doorbells?
Speaker 3: Someone, I've got a ring.
Speaker 1: I'm going to build this thing that tastes fucking delicious,
Speaker 1: but I don't want anyone to eat it. It's just
Speaker 1: going to walk around grass for twenty years then drop dead.
Speaker 3: No answers.
Speaker 1: Come on, bro, you're not smarter than God.
Speaker 2: Come on, a cauliflower steak is pretty good with a
Speaker 2: nice source.
Speaker 1: Ok Now, come on, you're fighting a losing battle.
Speaker 2: Get off the doorbells and you're crumbing. It's pretty good
Speaker 2: too if you've put crumbles as well.
Speaker 1: Sorry, rumb you, I'll crumb you.
Speaker 2: Hey, yeah, pretty the doorbells. Look you were saying you're
Speaker 2: thinking of getting one. And one of the challenges with
Speaker 2: any sort of surveillance technology is a lot of the
Speaker 2: companies that sell them also require.
Speaker 3: You to take out a subscription, but you don't have to.
Speaker 2: So I've got the ring doorbells, And for me, what
Speaker 2: it means is if someone comes to my front door
Speaker 2: and I'm sitting in the studio space, I get to
Speaker 2: pop up on my phone. I can activate the camera,
Speaker 2: but I can talk to the person as well, so
Speaker 2: you can have a conversation with them. So tif someone
Speaker 2: came to your house right now to drop off a delivery,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of doorbells now that not only have
Speaker 2: a front facing camera, but they have a camera that
Speaker 2: points down so you can you can see the package
Speaker 2: that's been dropped off, which is kind of good. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so there's lots of new ones out on the market.
Speaker 2: You don't necessarily have to buy a subscription to use them.
Speaker 2: The other thing that my cameras do, which I really love,
Speaker 2: is they have a light in them where you can
Speaker 2: turn the light on manually, so it goes on for
Speaker 2: thirty seconds. But it also has a siren. So if
Speaker 2: you're in Tazzy, some dodgy person comes to the door,
Speaker 2: the camera detects them and you see it. You can
Speaker 2: flick the siren on and scare the be Jesus out
Speaker 2: of them.
Speaker 1: That's good. Yeah, I wouldn't mind. I would like just
Speaker 1: to scare my friends. I mean, so forget the security.
Speaker 1: How much fun would it be to bloody just terrify?
Speaker 1: Can we jump back? Just because I actually want to
Speaker 1: know what ghost GPT is.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, so you're talking about all the AI that's
Speaker 2: out at the moment. Ghost GPT is for criminals. So
Speaker 2: guess what there's it's out there. It's been released, and
Speaker 2: the problem is that there are no constraints. See if
Speaker 2: you go to chat GPT and you try to do
Speaker 2: something naughty, write some code to hack Craig's computer, it's
Speaker 2: not going to do it though. There are constraints there.
Speaker 2: But with this ghost GPT, it's kind of a dark
Speaker 2: web thing where it doesn't have to. The brakes have
Speaker 2: been turned off. You know, you can you can fly
Speaker 2: down that road as fast as you want. You're not
Speaker 2: putting on the brakes. It's it's just going, you know,
Speaker 2: full speed ahead. So you know, cyber crime is out there,
Speaker 2: and so yeah, so the criminals are now using it,
Speaker 2: and the hackers are now using it. And the problem
Speaker 2: with this is in the past, when you wanted to
Speaker 2: get something hacked, you'd have to have quite a bit
Speaker 2: of knowledge to be able to hack into a system.
Speaker 2: But using AI to do programming because I use chat
Speaker 2: GPT occasionally to alter code.
Speaker 3: I'm not a coder.
Speaker 2: I can read a little bit of HTML code and
Speaker 2: that sort of thing, but I can paste the code
Speaker 2: into chat GPT and say now I wanted to do this,
Speaker 2: and it will alter the code accordingly, which is really handy.
Speaker 2: So if you're not a real heavy intensive coder, you
Speaker 2: can actually get help from AI. But the problem is
Speaker 2: if you've got the all the constraints turned off, and
Speaker 2: this is what this ghost you know, GPT is it's yeah,
Speaker 2: it's not a good thing. But again it's the knife analogy.
Speaker 2: I use it to make something, use it to do
Speaker 2: you know, it's more.
Speaker 1: Good, good or evil. Hey, last one interests me because
Speaker 1: I've just started because Tiff told me because she's bossy,
Speaker 1: and also Melissa, who's more bossy that I need to
Speaker 1: put up videos or that's you know, real south and
Speaker 1: putting up few reels. But I can't edit for shit.
Speaker 1: So even the other day I wanted something, I had
Speaker 1: to ring tip and go can you turn this into
Speaker 1: a thing? Which I hate doing. But so Instagram, I've
Speaker 1: got a new video editing app. Is that within the
Speaker 1: actual what is that? So it's built into it. So look,
Speaker 1: this has been a response to, I guess the big
Speaker 1: ban on TikTok in the US and that by extension
Speaker 1: has happened to a few Australians as well. So when
Speaker 1: Trump came in, he announced this ban on TikTok because
Speaker 1: TikTok is owned by China and again the whole China debate,
Speaker 1: what's TikTok doing with the information? So there was a
Speaker 1: reprieve for a month, so it because banned for like
Speaker 1: nine hours or twelve hours and then they reactivated it
Speaker 1: when Trump said, Okay, we're going to give you a
Speaker 1: month reprieve, but then we're going to shut it down again.
Speaker 1: And some Australians who had American based accounts also got
Speaker 1: locked out of TikTok. And one of the things that
Speaker 1: TikTok is able to do is it allows video editing
Speaker 1: as well, built into the software. So Instagram's jumped onto
Speaker 1: the bandwagon, and I think this was a reaction to that,
Speaker 1: and they're now offering new video editing features within the
Speaker 1: app itself means that you can edit, you can trim,
Speaker 1: you can add effects in the app without having to
Speaker 1: go to an external program that you may not know
Speaker 1: how to use.
Speaker 2: So Crago you can now go in and make some
Speaker 2: changes to your video reels.
Speaker 1: I'm definitely going to have to jump into YouTube to
Speaker 1: figure out how to do that.
Speaker 3: On I tiff, No Instagram, mate, we're talking about Instagram.
Speaker 1: Not no no, no, I know that, but no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you missed you did you misunderstood me. I'm going to
Speaker 1: have to jump into YouTube to watch a video, an
Speaker 1: instructional video on how to do it.
Speaker 2: You know what a lot about young people and technology
Speaker 2: is that there's no hurdles, there's no fear, and they'll
Speaker 2: just jump into a program and learn it without having
Speaker 2: to get instruction. I just I feel that people our age, Sorry, Tiff,
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about you like Craig and not my age.
Speaker 2: There is a there is a you know, it's not
Speaker 2: innately intuitive to us. I mean for some of it
Speaker 2: who nerds it is, But the intuitive nature of technology,
Speaker 2: the younger the people are, the younger people are, they
Speaker 2: just seem to pick it up and run with it
Speaker 2: because it's intuitive for them.
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's interesting you say that one of
Speaker 1: my friends has got young kids, and yeah, all of
Speaker 1: those kids speak fluent English and tech like, they grow
Speaker 1: up with two languages. So there was a there was
Speaker 1: never a part of their life where technology and because
Speaker 1: they're young, like seven eight years old, it was already
Speaker 1: quite advanced and so by the time they're two or three.
Speaker 1: But there's this dude, James Gwilt, who used to play
Speaker 1: for some Kilda Shout out to Jimmy. He comes in
Speaker 1: to the Hamptons and I've put up a picture of
Speaker 1: his daughter, Rosie, who's gorgeous. I don't know how old
Speaker 1: she is, but she's not two. But she comes over
Speaker 1: and sits on my knee while he goes and buys
Speaker 1: his coffee, and we fuck around on my phone. She
Speaker 1: pulls the phone out of my hand and is like,
Speaker 1: fuck off, Grandpa, give me the phone and starts look
Speaker 1: looking for pepper Pig on fucking YouTube or and she knows.
Speaker 1: I mean, she doesn't type in pepper Pig, but I'll.
Speaker 3: Bring up.
Speaker 1: She still, she starts all bluey. She starts scrolling to
Speaker 1: find the cartoon or the video that she wants, and
Speaker 1: then she'll play. And I mean, she is not even
Speaker 1: two years old, and she's already got a better understanding
Speaker 1: of that phone than my mum, who's had an iPhone
Speaker 1: for ten years.
Speaker 3: Is that a responsible adult thing to do to let
Speaker 3: a two year old scroll through your feed?
Speaker 1: I just want I just want her to love me,
Speaker 1: so I just fucking let her do. I'm like the
Speaker 1: bad grandfather that lets them eat the lollies and fuck
Speaker 1: around and stay up late.
Speaker 2: Kids are awesome, and it is amazing to watch the development,
Speaker 2: particularly at that age. I've got a colleague of mine
Speaker 2: who has just gone through this whole process, and his
Speaker 2: little girl's about to turn two in March, and it's
Speaker 2: like every time I see her, she's doing something new.
Speaker 3: It's phenomenal. It's so interesting.
Speaker 1: Think about how they're evolving, like you and I are
Speaker 1: fucking plants just blowing in the wind, Like they're like
Speaker 1: little sponges that just fucking never ever stop. At that age,
Speaker 1: the development is exponential. When you go risk.
Speaker 3: Plan, I reckon Craig.
Speaker 2: If you're very planned, you're a carniferous But if that.
Speaker 1: Will, say goodbye to tif last Patrick. Tell people how
Speaker 1: to find you and connect with you, please.
Speaker 2: I can just go to websites now, dot com, dot au.
Speaker 2: That's the main kind of website that I throw out there.
Speaker 2: But you know, you can tie chair at home as well.
Speaker 2: If you think you'd like to get into the zen
Speaker 2: feel and you want to take a bit of a chill,
Speaker 2: do some chen bar chan.
Speaker 3: That's my favorite exercise.
Speaker 2: By the way, if you want to go to the
Speaker 2: website chen bar Chan, I do it with my staff
Speaker 2: twice a day. It's a good way to just do
Speaker 2: a really quick two minute exercise. Get off your computer,
Speaker 2: get off what you're doing, go and have a stretch.
Speaker 3: It's free.
Speaker 2: Go to tie chair at home, dot Com DoD Au
Speaker 2: and do some chen buch on today on this No.
Speaker 3: It's great, I love it.
Speaker 2: I set up this website during COVID for my students
Speaker 2: because we couldn't do classes, so it hasn't even been
Speaker 2: updated since COVID. But it does have some good exercises
Speaker 2: and Fritz is also there as well.
Speaker 3: So that you go, there's a free before you today.
Speaker 2: Do yourself something, be mindful, do some Tai cheese stretching
Speaker 2: with me.
Speaker 1: And if you want to go to Balan and pick
Speaker 1: an apple off his tree, just send him an email.
Speaker 1: He will gladly accommodate you. Tiffy, What are you seeing
Speaker 1: Granddad today?
Speaker 4: Tomorrow? Oh tomorrow, right the countryside today?
Speaker 1: When's the shindig? Sorry?
Speaker 4: Is on Sunday. We're having a party on Sunday and
Speaker 4: on Saturday, the one weekend I'm in Tazzy and Mark
Speaker 4: Seymour is playing the Boxer Encore Tour, so I'm taking
Speaker 4: mom and dad to see the box for the first time.
Speaker 2: How awesome is it that will place us if you around,
Speaker 2: tiff of.
Speaker 4: Course, hopefully we'll be able a Naber t shirt and
Speaker 4: that is awesome.
Speaker 3: I still want to get a signed album, not from
Speaker 3: Mark semore from you you.
Speaker 2: I want, I want for one all and I want
Speaker 2: you to sign it for me. I've got to get one.
Speaker 1: Patrick, you should get Tiff to sign your breasts like
Speaker 1: all the young fans do. All right, it's been great.
Speaker 1: Thanks everyone,