WEBVTT - The Media Show | 16 August 0:00:01.200 --> 0:00:05.880 This is the Media Show, with Jack couting Hello and 0:00:05.920 --> 0:00:08.039 welcome to the media. Showed tonight we'll look at the 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:11.440 meltdowns at CNN and a last minute legal change to 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:16.120 an ABC investigation. But first Vice President Kamala Harris has 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:19.040 enjoyed the full weight of the US media behind her, 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:22.720 which has created an appearance that she is significantly ahead 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:26.680 of Donald Trump. But cracks are starting to appear. Some 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:29.560 more brave voices in the media have started asking why 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:32.280 Harris won't do any substantive interviews. 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:35.680 Would it kill you guys to have a press conference? 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:39.680 Why hasn't she had a press conference? Listen? 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:42.760 The Vice president and Governor Walls have been busy criss 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:45.479 crossing this country since the launch of this campaign and 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:47.920 adding a Governor Walls to the ticket. You saw the 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:51.840 ways in which they went across the battleground states last week, 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:56.480 generating rallies of a thousands, ten thousand here, fifteen thousand there. 0:00:57.400 --> 0:00:59.600 But Michael, you know a campaign rally is not a 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:02.480 press Do you mind if I cut in? 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:03.360 I mean, you know, a. 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:05.920 Campaign rallies on a press conference. Why hasn't she had 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:06.559 a press conference? 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:08.800 She's the vice president, she can handle the questions, why 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:09.319 not do it? 0:01:11.360 --> 0:01:13.479 We absolutely are going to do it. You hear her take. 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:15.680 Questions as she's out on the stump, and she's as 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:17.720 she said last week, we're going to be having a 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:19.679 sit down interview here before the end of the month 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:21.640 of what she is going to be focused on and 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:23.600 what this campaign is going to be focused on, is 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:26.280 communicating directly with the voters that are actually going to 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:28.479 decide the pathway to two hundred and seventy electoral votes. 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:31.080 That's why she got a press conference plus week three 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:31.640 that passed me. 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:34.560 That's why we're doing a bus tour in Pennsylvania as 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:36.759 we head into Chicago, and it's why we'll sit down 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:38.520 for an interview before the end of the month to 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:40.120 make sure that we can have a deep dot conversation 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:42.679 about the vision the Kamala Harris has for where she 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:44.440 wants to take this country in the contrast that we're 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:46.160 going to have with Donald Trump. We're gonna have plenty 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:49.800 of opportunities to do that throughout the micro but one. 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:51.600 Interview by the end of the month this month, the 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:53.560 rest of the campaign, I don't I. 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:56.200 Don't want to, you know, belabor this, but one interview 0:01:56.200 --> 0:01:57.040 before the end of the month. 0:01:57.080 --> 0:01:59.320 I mean, that's that's not a lot. I mean, can 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:01.080 you commit to a press conference before. 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:01.559 The end of the month. 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:06.080 We will commit to directly engage with the voters that 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:08.200 are actually gonna decide this election. And that is going 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:11.520 to be a complete with rallies, with sit down interviews, 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:14.280 with press conferences, with all the digital assets that we 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:15.200 have at our disposal. 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:19.240 And it isn't just political pundits noticing that Harris is 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:22.960 trying to win this election by literally hiding from scrutiny. 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:27.000 ESPN host Stephen Smith says that Harris has got his 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:29.519 vote already, but it's called on her to do the 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:31.840 right thing and be present for interviews. 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:39.800 Joe Biden step down step aside as the presumptive Democratic 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:44.480 nominee on July twenty first. Okay, now I'm gonna look 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:46.839 at this right now. I'm looking at my calendar because 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:49.000 I just want to make sure you know, July twenty 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:53.400 first was a Sunday. We've had one week, two weeks, 0:02:53.840 --> 0:03:00.480 three weeks and one day, says Joe Biden. Stepped aside place. 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:04.079 We've seen Kamala Harris as their pet rally and it 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:05.760 can't just be the Conservatives. 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:06.600 Right is right. 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:11.560 I'm talking to my sister here. Come on now, you're 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:13.440 running for the president's theory the United. 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:14.680 States of American. You got my vote. 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:18.720 You're running for the president's theater the United States of America, 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:19.799 which you're hiding for. 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:24.560 Harris has plenty of policy and consistencies which need to 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:27.760 be probed by reporters. Her record is a hardline prosecutor 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:30.560 is an issue, as well as contradictions between how she's 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:34.079 dealt with the border crisis between twenty twenty and today. 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:37.200 We can't do that if she hides. 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:40.680 And even if you detest Trump, you should be furious 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:43.680 about the prospect of somebody waltzing into the White House 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:47.120 with barely any scrutiny just because the media hates the 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:47.880 other candidate. 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:50.640 That is a democracy. That is just a farce. 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:55.680 Well, joining me on the show this week is the 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:59.640 Australians Darren Davidson and Sky News contributor James Bolt. Darren, 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:04.120 let's with you the way I think Joe Biden as 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:06.400 well did in the last election. There was all these 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:09.040 notions of he was hiding in the basement. It's a 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:13.240 proven tactic for the Democrats. But even her own supporters 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:15.800 now are saying, even if it works, even if politically 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:18.880 it is advantageous, it's not really the right thing to do. 0:04:19.200 --> 0:04:21.359 It's not I think. I mean Biden was hiding behind 0:04:21.400 --> 0:04:23.200 COVID and that's how he was able to do that 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:25.599 campaign from the basement. Obviously, COVID is no longer an 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:28.960 issue for anybody, and that reality's gone. I think it's 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:31.560 really bizarre that she's all but telling Americans that they'll 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:33.479 have to elect her to find out what she really 0:04:33.480 --> 0:04:36.320 believes in. That's bad enough on domestic policy and on 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:38.960 foreign policy. That's really really dangerous at the moment that 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:40.920 we're in right now, because the world's never been more 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:43.760 dangerous than it is right now for many, many, many years. 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:47.480 Americans shouldn't have to read between the tea leaves to 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:50.680 find out what her position is on the withdrawal from 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:54.640 Afghanistan in twenty twenty one, China's piling grabs in the 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:59.240 South China Sea, Russia, Ukraine, Around's nuclear build up, and 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:02.000 like you go on, and so it really is beholding 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:03.719 on her to come out and do some media interviews. 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:06.480 And what makes it even worse, Actually the grabs you 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:09.599 ran were good. The CNN Ankor was pretty pretty robust there. 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:12.479 But generally the media in the States has given kamal 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:14.760 of a free ride. I agree, So that makes the 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:16.400 situation even worse. 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:19.680 I agree, And James, look, those were the rare clips 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:23.000 that we found to kind of show this level of scrutiny. 0:05:23.040 --> 0:05:25.719 I will note that The Guardian has made this point. 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:29.120 Lots of other journalists have made the point that she 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:31.839 does appear to be hiding, but others in the press 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:35.560 just seemed so just overwhelmed by joy that the polls 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:37.400 are now going in their favor, that they're just they're 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:40.159 turning a blind eye and they don't want her to 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:42.719 have this scrutiny because they need her to win, that's 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:43.080 the thing. 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:45.280 And to be honest, to be fair to Kamala Harris, 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:47.200 she did actually sit down for an interview today, and 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:48.760 I don't know if you guys saw the hard hitting 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:53.159 journalists that she finally ask the tough questions her running 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:56.400 mates in walls is the person asking her all the 0:05:56.480 --> 0:05:59.239 questions that the media haven't been able to ask her yet. Sorry, 0:05:59.400 --> 0:06:01.440 got on for if we're finally sitting down to a 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:03.920 big interview, But you're right, it's simply not enough. It 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:06.080 should be one hundred percent of journalist should be standing 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:07.839 up there saying we need to hear from Kamala. And 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:10.400 the only reason that you wouldn't is because you think 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:12.839 that the ultimate goal of beating Donald Trump is a 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:17.800 more worthy goal than your own journalistic journalistic importance. And 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:20.240 this really means for me that the election is going 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:23.040 to be a referendum on how powerful the media still is. 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:26.400 Because if this media can obvious gay Kamala Harris say 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:29.000 that she's a candidate of change even though she was 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:31.680 vice president for four years and the borders are and 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:34.359 that the candidate who couldn't even make it to the 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:36.840 primaries in our own state of California in twenty twenty 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:40.000 is somethingly popular with voters. If that candidate can win 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:42.080 off the media doing those sort of pr for her, 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:43.839 then the media is far more powerful than I thought 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:44.760 than I think it is. 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:46.640 Yeah, and James, I mean on your point as well, 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:50.520 the campaign saying let's commit to one sit down interview. 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:53.400 It's not the same as a press conference where people 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:57.520 are firing questions. There's the chaos, and Darren, let's bring 0:06:57.560 --> 0:07:00.240 you in. Because I think Kamala Harris doesn't have the 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:04.360 best track record of having concise answers. And yes, Donald 0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:07.240 Trump has his weaknesses that everybody knows, and I think 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:11.040 he gets more criticism than any other candidate out there, 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:15.160 probably in history, probably more unfair criticism as well. But 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:18.680 they know that she has this verbal weakness where sometimes 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:21.840 she waffles, she talks about abstract notions in a way 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:24.960 that are a bit cringe worthy. That's probably why they 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:27.960 would prefer a more controlled sit down than a press conference. 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:31.040 I mean, the word salads are unbearable. The point about 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:33.400 Trump is, I mean he often choose from the hip 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:37.240 on foreign policies. Comments about dictators are pretty witless sometimes. 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:40.720 But actually his first term record, particularly on Iran and 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:43.200 at least, was actually pretty favorable and pretty good and strong, 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:46.920 particularly compared to Biden Harris and their performance in the 0:07:46.960 --> 0:07:51.560 foreign policy arenas. So from that perspective, Americans deserved to 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:54.200 hear how commander will keep the country safe in such 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:55.320 a treacherous world. 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:59.480 Yeah, well said, Well, moving on now, because Donald Trump 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:01.640 has had a COmON sation with Elon Musk this week 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:04.360 and some journalists lost their mind over it. 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:08.760 Yan with forty minutes of silence and then a bro 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:11.960 apocalypse of politics. No matter how you frame it or 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:14.600 what caused the glitch, what was finally said between Donald 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:17.600 Trump and Elon Musk at last night's Big X event 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:20.960 can largely be defined as a rant filled with familiar 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:22.400 lines and lines of attack. 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:28.680 Kamala wouldn't have this conversation. 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:30.280 She can't because she's not smart. 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:32.720 You know, she's not a smart person. He is a 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:36.880 radical left San Francisco liberal and now she's trying to 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:39.880 protect Now she's looking like she's she wants to be 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:42.720 more Trump than Trump, if that's possible. 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:43.840 I don't think it's possible. 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:46.760 But he wants to be more Trump than Trump. She's terrible, 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:48.160 but he's getting a free run. 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:51.320 All right, But did it too what it was designed 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:55.319 to do, which was to put the brakes on Harris's momentum. 0:08:56.559 --> 0:09:00.000 Well that's not objective reporting. It's just angry and unhinged. 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:02.800 Let's take a listen to what actually took place during 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:03.439 the conversation. 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:06.000 More of a believer, I think, and a lot of 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:07.480 people have said that to be a lot of great 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:10.120 people have said that to me, actually, but it was 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:12.880 it was amazing that I happened to be turned just 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:17.520 at that perfect angle, and all because I put down 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:20.480 a chart on immigration that showed that the numbers were 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:20.880 so great. 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:23.559 I love that chart even Maybe it's a sign. 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:27.240 Maybe that's a sign immigrations. 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:34.720 You highlighted a serious issue at that moment, you know here, 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:44.680 But but you knows of your head, James. 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:47.439 I think there's a combination here of the Trump arrangement, 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:50.400 since right where no matter what he does, what he says, 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:53.240 it has to be met with hostility. But I also 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:57.600 think there is a little bit of relevance deprivision here 0:09:57.720 --> 0:10:01.400 because CNN didn't get this long form conversation. Both of 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:03.480 these two blokes don't really want anything to do with 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:07.920 this media organization, so they've managed to talk directly to 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:11.719 voters on their own terms. And that kind of infuriates 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:13.199 some people in the media, Yeah. 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:14.880 Because they want to see themselves as a gay keepers 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:16.880 and to be honest, to be fair to seeing in there. 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:20.160 At least the journalist or the producer whoever wrote that 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:22.240 script did actually take the time to sit down and 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:24.520 watch the interview. I've got to clip here from someone 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:26.319 who doesn't even need to wait for Donald Trump to 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:29.120 say something before he actively calls him to be shut down. 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:33.960 Elon Musk is slated to interview Donald Trump tomorrow tonight. 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:35.080 On on X. 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:37.640 I don't know if the President has gone today. Feel 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:40.719 free to say if he is or not. But I 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:46.920 think that misinformation on Twitter is not just a campaign issue, 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:47.880 it's you know, it's. 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:49.040 An America issue. 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:53.640 What rule does the White House or the President have 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:56.920 in sort of stopping that or stopping the spread of that, 0:10:57.320 --> 0:11:00.240 or sort of intervening in there. 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:02.720 You've heard us talk about this many times from here, 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:06.400 about the responsibilities that social media platforms have. 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:11.280 That's without him saying anything, just you know what it's 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:14.000 about to happen, so it should be shut down. 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:15.800 That is a White House beat reporter. 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:17.440 You want to talk about someone who should be the 0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:20.640 vanguard of defending free speech and holding power to account. 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:23.160 It's this person in the room saying, what are you 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:25.600 guys doing? And that is someone just saying, actually, you know, 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:28.160 the state should use its power to silence a political energy. 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:30.960 I love how Korean Jean Pierre the Press sect is 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:33.200 just saying, well, thank you for this question, which I 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:36.480 very much want to answer, not about anything we're doing, 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:41.200 but about stopping literally stopping our political opponent from having 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:43.959 a conversation. I mean, and this is where it gets 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:46.320 kind of creepy from my point of view. Yeah, they 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:48.720 probably got a lot of stuff wrong in that interview, right, 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:51.199 and I'm not going to defend that. But when you're 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:55.560 speaking to somebody for hours, for an extensive period of time, 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:58.880 and then you go back and you find verbal missteps 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:04.240 and you try and paint the conversation as being dangerous. 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:08.880 So I listened to that conversation. Therefore there is a 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:11.960 danger to me listening to that. That is just so 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:15.280 against what any journalist should want. I mean, what happened 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:17.120 just to be able to talk to people, listen to 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:18.959 people and form your own opinion. 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:21.640 Yeah, agree, I mean, it's interesting he's returned to Twitter 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:24.320 after leaving the platform many years ago, and it just 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:27.400 shows that he's adopting a very different approach in this election. 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:30.120 And he's good for him for showing a willingness to 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:34.440 actually go onto new platforms and be interviewed. Look, you know, 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:37.560 Eli Masco would much rather see the journalist's interview him 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:41.400 and a you know, Silicon Valley tech billionaire mogul. But 0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:43.640 at least he's putting himself out there and I think 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:45.080 we'll probably see a lot more of that from Trump 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:45.680 and the run up to you. 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:48.800 Yeah, I mean, for me, for one, I found it interesting, 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:51.520 and I don't think you need to agree with every 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:54.720 single word uttered between two people talking to find it interesting. 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:58.840 They're both quite fascinating people with different backgrounds. Why would 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:01.080 you want to put it to the White House that 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:02.440 they should censor. 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:04.840 That, well, because you want him to lose. And I 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:07.000 just like to take it back to the first point 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:09.320 is that you've got one candidate who can talk for 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:11.319 two hours, and you know he's going to get things wrong, 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:12.800 he's going to muddle things up a bit, but he 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:15.720 can't talk for two hours versus a candidate they actively 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:18.080 have to hide from you because you're going to find 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:23.280 out that that's going to comparisonjustaposition between the two. Let's 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:26.199 move on, because breakdowns of Raygun has broken her silence. 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:28.920 It's been a wild week for the academic turned olympian. 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:30.160 Let's see what she had to say. 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:34.520 I didn't realize that that would also open the door 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:42.600 to so much hate, which has frankly been pretty devastating. Well, 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:45.360 I went out there and I had fun. I did 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:49.760 take it very seriously, I worked my butt off preparing 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:53.040 for the Olympics and I gave my all. 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:53.840 Truly. 0:13:56.080 --> 0:13:58.680 I'm on it to have been a part of the 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:03.040 Australian Olympic team, meant to be part of Breaking's Olympic. 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:10.600 Debut, Darren, I get uncomfortable when people try to frame criticism. 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:13.839 And I've criticized Her've criticized her academic work. I think 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:17.720 it is childish. I don't think it's academia. I don't 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:20.080 think it's intelligible. I don't think it should be funded 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:25.400 by the taxpayer, subsidized by the taxpayer. Now us criticizing 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:29.160 her and that performance where she's she chose to hop 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:30.120 around like a kangaroo. 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:31.960 No one made her do that, right. 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:35.720 And is it fair to say that that's a hater, 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:40.520 that there's this there's a hatred behind that, because what 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:43.960 you're kind of saying is if you critique me, then 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:46.520 I'm going to slaner you and label you as some 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:49.240 kind of hateful bigot. I think that's I think that's 0:14:49.320 --> 0:14:51.160 much worse than just criticizing somebody. 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:51.640 I agree. 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:53.680 I feel like we're all being gasol a little bit here. 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:57.560 It's a good thing about all of this and the 0:14:57.600 --> 0:15:00.880 attention that Raygun has gone that is that it's actually 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:03.400 opened up this big debate around funding and how this 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:05.680 even happened in the first place. And I think that's 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:09.640 a positive development. But I've got much rather everyone. We 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:13.080 were all talking about the extraordinary metal talent, particularly from 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:18.000 the female yes, and the extraordinary talent dedication, the dedicated 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:21.280 training over many years that's taken them to this point 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:23.920 when those medals and the great coaching they've had, that's 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:26.760 what we really should be talking about instead of celebrating 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:31.800 someone failing in a really embarrassing way in a sport. 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:33.880 That isn't really a celebrating mediocrity. 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:37.400 It really is when we have these great athletes and 0:15:37.480 --> 0:15:39.760 James spring you in here, because we do have these 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:42.200 people that are just the most incredible thing. I mean, 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:44.840 to win eighteen Golds and you know there were some 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:48.359 very close matches like the women's water polo, the stingers 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:51.840 with the silver as well, some incredible moments, and then 0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:57.160 you've got the AOC, the Australian Olympics Committee putting out 0:15:57.240 --> 0:15:59.600 these lengthy statements defending this. 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:01.560 Person and I don't think it's appropriate. 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:03.920 Well, the thing you have to realize is that she 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:06.240 tried to do a bunny hop and do a kangaroo thing. 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:07.640 So of course we are going to talk about that 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:08.360 because how. 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:08.920 Did that happen? 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:11.640 So and the idea that it's like shocking to wear 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:13.760 that this feedback. I don't know if you guys have 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:16.680 ever like really sucked at something on a public stage. 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:19.560 But it's not afterwards that you realize that things are 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:21.520 about to go bad. It's when you see the guy 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:24.480 before you. So that's when she should have tweet things 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:26.560 are about to go bad for me right now because 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:27.400 that person. 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:30.960 Was really based on that. It was it was a 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:33.720 bit nasters. If she's not being honest, she doesn't seem 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:38.280 to realize that she had no place from a caliber 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:39.800 point of view, she wasn't up there. 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:42.160 Yes, and yet if she's not in the ABC New 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:44.920 Year's Eve coverage this week, then this year and what 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:45.360 are we doing? 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:47.720 Well, we're going to take a quick break. But when 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:51.000 we're back Four Corners an investigation which had to make 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:57.040 a last minute legal kill. Welcome back this week four 0:16:57.080 --> 0:16:59.320 Corners and it's investigation to Network seven. 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:02.040 And if you missed it, this was the promo. 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:06.680 Is one of the most soul crushing places you can 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:08.680 work in, smoke and mirrors. 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:11.440 Channel seven likes to portray itself as a family. 0:17:11.680 --> 0:17:13.240 It's a very dysfunctional family. 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:17.919 In Silence for Life Breaking seven Silence, the fear is visceral. 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:19.480 And I haven't seen anything like it. I wouldn't just 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:21.440 call it the second Chance Club. I'd call it the third, 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:22.680 fourth and fifth Chance Club. 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:25.800 They shouldn't be in business if that's what they're doing 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:28.320 to young women. How do they sleep at night? 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:32.520 That promo, which featured Amber Harrison, the former lover of 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:35.800 X seven boss Tim Warner, attracted a legal letter and 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:39.119 was eventually deleted from the Internet. The program went to 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:43.280 air without the Harrison segments, ironically, which had her complaining 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:46.600 that she was being silenced for life. The Sydney Morning 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:50.199 Herald's Callum Jasmin reported a last minute omission of a 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:53.520 key interview from the ABC's Four Corners investigation into workplace 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:57.720 culture at the seven network undermined the purpose of the program, 0:17:57.920 --> 0:18:02.600 says former company executive distant Amber Harrison, who's part in 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:05.480 the program failed to go to air now. Harrison said 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:08.439 it's curious that after being featured in the promram, my 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:13.040 interview was pulled without explanation. This omission left a significant 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:17.639 story untold, especially considering the hype surrounding the show and 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:21.879 the high caliber of journalism Louise Milligan is known for. 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:25.760 Let's bring the panel back into discuss Darren. That's a 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:30.800 very uncomfortable interview that Harrison has given about Louise Milligan, 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:35.119 the star of this program, who, presumably, if this interview 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:39.480 is anything to go by, never called Amber Harrison to 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:45.280 explain why this interview was asked. But all of that aside, 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:47.520 why would it go to air with the promo without 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:50.960 taking the consideration all these legal implications and then having 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:52.560 to chop it out last minute. 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:53.840 It's not a great look. 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:54.360 No. 0:18:54.440 --> 0:18:57.160 I think Arma deserved an explanation and heads up ahead 0:18:57.200 --> 0:18:59.120 of the program airing on Monday evening that she wasn't 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:01.199 going to a peering up all of that time, and 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:05.600 presumably disclosing things that she probably felt uncomfortable talking about 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:09.280 that were difficult to talk about after that only happened. 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:11.880 What's seven six years ago now or maybe a little 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:12.240 bit longer. 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:14.320 But what did you think in general about the program? 0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:16.560 I thought it was reheated seconds. 0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:21.320 There were noly revelations given all the publicity and the 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:25.159 build up and thess stories about the program. I've watched 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:27.399 it as it was had on Monday night. I just 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:31.000 found the whole thing. Stuff we've all known and we've read, 0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:33.240 and it's been reported already. It was just a rehash. 0:19:33.440 --> 0:19:34.280 James, what are your thoughts? 0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:37.040 Yeah, I got So the good news for me is 0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:39.439