Speaker 1: This is the Media Show, with Jack couting Hello and
Speaker 1: welcome to the media. Showed tonight we'll look at the
Speaker 1: meltdowns at CNN and a last minute legal change to
Speaker 1: an ABC investigation. But first Vice President Kamala Harris has
Speaker 1: enjoyed the full weight of the US media behind her,
Speaker 1: which has created an appearance that she is significantly ahead
Speaker 1: of Donald Trump. But cracks are starting to appear. Some
Speaker 1: more brave voices in the media have started asking why
Speaker 1: Harris won't do any substantive interviews.
Speaker 2: Would it kill you guys to have a press conference?
Speaker 3: Why hasn't she had a press conference? Listen?
Speaker 4: The Vice president and Governor Walls have been busy criss
Speaker 4: crossing this country since the launch of this campaign and
Speaker 4: adding a Governor Walls to the ticket. You saw the
Speaker 4: ways in which they went across the battleground states last week,
Speaker 4: generating rallies of a thousands, ten thousand here, fifteen thousand there.
Speaker 4: But Michael, you know a campaign rally is not a
Speaker 4: press Do you mind if I cut in?
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, a.
Speaker 3: Campaign rallies on a press conference. Why hasn't she had
Speaker 3: a press conference?
Speaker 6: She's the vice president, she can handle the questions, why
Speaker 6: not do it?
Speaker 3: We absolutely are going to do it. You hear her take.
Speaker 4: Questions as she's out on the stump, and she's as
Speaker 4: she said last week, we're going to be having a
Speaker 4: sit down interview here before the end of the month
Speaker 4: of what she is going to be focused on and
Speaker 4: what this campaign is going to be focused on, is
Speaker 4: communicating directly with the voters that are actually going to
Speaker 4: decide the pathway to two hundred and seventy electoral votes.
Speaker 3: That's why she got a press conference plus week three
Speaker 3: that passed me.
Speaker 4: That's why we're doing a bus tour in Pennsylvania as
Speaker 4: we head into Chicago, and it's why we'll sit down
Speaker 4: for an interview before the end of the month to
Speaker 4: make sure that we can have a deep dot conversation
Speaker 4: about the vision the Kamala Harris has for where she
Speaker 4: wants to take this country in the contrast that we're
Speaker 4: going to have with Donald Trump. We're gonna have plenty
Speaker 4: of opportunities to do that throughout the micro but one.
Speaker 7: Interview by the end of the month this month, the
Speaker 7: rest of the campaign, I don't I.
Speaker 8: Don't want to, you know, belabor this, but one interview
Speaker 8: before the end of the month.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's not a lot. I mean, can
Speaker 3: you commit to a press conference before.
Speaker 9: The end of the month.
Speaker 4: We will commit to directly engage with the voters that
Speaker 4: are actually gonna decide this election. And that is going
Speaker 4: to be a complete with rallies, with sit down interviews,
Speaker 4: with press conferences, with all the digital assets that we
Speaker 4: have at our disposal.
Speaker 1: And it isn't just political pundits noticing that Harris is
Speaker 1: trying to win this election by literally hiding from scrutiny.
Speaker 1: ESPN host Stephen Smith says that Harris has got his
Speaker 1: vote already, but it's called on her to do the
Speaker 1: right thing and be present for interviews.
Speaker 10: Joe Biden step down step aside as the presumptive Democratic
Speaker 10: nominee on July twenty first. Okay, now I'm gonna look
Speaker 10: at this right now. I'm looking at my calendar because
Speaker 10: I just want to make sure you know, July twenty
Speaker 10: first was a Sunday. We've had one week, two weeks,
Speaker 10: three weeks and one day, says Joe Biden. Stepped aside place.
Speaker 10: We've seen Kamala Harris as their pet rally and it
Speaker 10: can't just be the Conservatives.
Speaker 3: Right is right.
Speaker 10: I'm talking to my sister here. Come on now, you're
Speaker 10: running for the president's theory the United.
Speaker 3: States of American. You got my vote.
Speaker 10: You're running for the president's theater the United States of America,
Speaker 10: which you're hiding for.
Speaker 1: Harris has plenty of policy and consistencies which need to
Speaker 1: be probed by reporters. Her record is a hardline prosecutor
Speaker 1: is an issue, as well as contradictions between how she's
Speaker 1: dealt with the border crisis between twenty twenty and today.
Speaker 3: We can't do that if she hides.
Speaker 1: And even if you detest Trump, you should be furious
Speaker 1: about the prospect of somebody waltzing into the White House
Speaker 1: with barely any scrutiny just because the media hates the
Speaker 1: other candidate.
Speaker 3: That is a democracy. That is just a farce.
Speaker 1: Well, joining me on the show this week is the
Speaker 1: Australians Darren Davidson and Sky News contributor James Bolt. Darren,
Speaker 1: let's with you the way I think Joe Biden as
Speaker 1: well did in the last election. There was all these
Speaker 1: notions of he was hiding in the basement. It's a
Speaker 1: proven tactic for the Democrats. But even her own supporters
Speaker 1: now are saying, even if it works, even if politically
Speaker 1: it is advantageous, it's not really the right thing to do.
Speaker 8: It's not I think. I mean Biden was hiding behind
Speaker 8: COVID and that's how he was able to do that
Speaker 8: campaign from the basement. Obviously, COVID is no longer an
Speaker 8: issue for anybody, and that reality's gone. I think it's
Speaker 8: really bizarre that she's all but telling Americans that they'll
Speaker 8: have to elect her to find out what she really
Speaker 8: believes in. That's bad enough on domestic policy and on
Speaker 8: foreign policy. That's really really dangerous at the moment that
Speaker 8: we're in right now, because the world's never been more
Speaker 8: dangerous than it is right now for many, many, many years.
Speaker 8: Americans shouldn't have to read between the tea leaves to
Speaker 8: find out what her position is on the withdrawal from
Speaker 8: Afghanistan in twenty twenty one, China's piling grabs in the
Speaker 8: South China Sea, Russia, Ukraine, Around's nuclear build up, and
Speaker 8: like you go on, and so it really is beholding
Speaker 8: on her to come out and do some media interviews.
Speaker 8: And what makes it even worse, Actually the grabs you
Speaker 8: ran were good. The CNN Ankor was pretty pretty robust there.
Speaker 8: But generally the media in the States has given kamal
Speaker 8: of a free ride. I agree, So that makes the
Speaker 8: situation even worse.
Speaker 1: I agree, And James, look, those were the rare clips
Speaker 1: that we found to kind of show this level of scrutiny.
Speaker 1: I will note that The Guardian has made this point.
Speaker 1: Lots of other journalists have made the point that she
Speaker 1: does appear to be hiding, but others in the press
Speaker 1: just seemed so just overwhelmed by joy that the polls
Speaker 1: are now going in their favor, that they're just they're
Speaker 1: turning a blind eye and they don't want her to
Speaker 1: have this scrutiny because they need her to win, that's
Speaker 1: the thing.
Speaker 7: And to be honest, to be fair to Kamala Harris,
Speaker 7: she did actually sit down for an interview today, and
Speaker 7: I don't know if you guys saw the hard hitting
Speaker 7: journalists that she finally ask the tough questions her running
Speaker 7: mates in walls is the person asking her all the
Speaker 7: questions that the media haven't been able to ask her yet. Sorry,
Speaker 7: got on for if we're finally sitting down to a
Speaker 7: big interview, But you're right, it's simply not enough. It
Speaker 7: should be one hundred percent of journalist should be standing
Speaker 7: up there saying we need to hear from Kamala. And
Speaker 7: the only reason that you wouldn't is because you think
Speaker 7: that the ultimate goal of beating Donald Trump is a
Speaker 7: more worthy goal than your own journalistic journalistic importance. And
Speaker 7: this really means for me that the election is going
Speaker 7: to be a referendum on how powerful the media still is.
Speaker 7: Because if this media can obvious gay Kamala Harris say
Speaker 7: that she's a candidate of change even though she was
Speaker 7: vice president for four years and the borders are and
Speaker 7: that the candidate who couldn't even make it to the
Speaker 7: primaries in our own state of California in twenty twenty
Speaker 7: is somethingly popular with voters. If that candidate can win
Speaker 7: off the media doing those sort of pr for her,
Speaker 7: then the media is far more powerful than I thought
Speaker 7: than I think it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and James, I mean on your point as well,
Speaker 1: the campaign saying let's commit to one sit down interview.
Speaker 1: It's not the same as a press conference where people
Speaker 1: are firing questions. There's the chaos, and Darren, let's bring
Speaker 1: you in. Because I think Kamala Harris doesn't have the
Speaker 1: best track record of having concise answers. And yes, Donald
Speaker 1: Trump has his weaknesses that everybody knows, and I think
Speaker 1: he gets more criticism than any other candidate out there,
Speaker 1: probably in history, probably more unfair criticism as well. But
Speaker 1: they know that she has this verbal weakness where sometimes
Speaker 1: she waffles, she talks about abstract notions in a way
Speaker 1: that are a bit cringe worthy. That's probably why they
Speaker 1: would prefer a more controlled sit down than a press conference.
Speaker 8: I mean, the word salads are unbearable. The point about
Speaker 8: Trump is, I mean he often choose from the hip
Speaker 8: on foreign policies. Comments about dictators are pretty witless sometimes.
Speaker 8: But actually his first term record, particularly on Iran and
Speaker 8: at least, was actually pretty favorable and pretty good and strong,
Speaker 8: particularly compared to Biden Harris and their performance in the
Speaker 8: foreign policy arenas. So from that perspective, Americans deserved to
Speaker 8: hear how commander will keep the country safe in such
Speaker 8: a treacherous world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well said, Well, moving on now, because Donald Trump
Speaker 1: has had a COmON sation with Elon Musk this week
Speaker 1: and some journalists lost their mind over it.
Speaker 6: Yan with forty minutes of silence and then a bro
Speaker 6: apocalypse of politics. No matter how you frame it or
Speaker 6: what caused the glitch, what was finally said between Donald
Speaker 6: Trump and Elon Musk at last night's Big X event
Speaker 6: can largely be defined as a rant filled with familiar
Speaker 6: lines and lines of attack.
Speaker 11: Kamala wouldn't have this conversation.
Speaker 9: She can't because she's not smart.
Speaker 2: You know, she's not a smart person. He is a
Speaker 2: radical left San Francisco liberal and now she's trying to
Speaker 2: protect Now she's looking like she's she wants to be
Speaker 2: more Trump than Trump, if that's possible.
Speaker 11: I don't think it's possible.
Speaker 2: But he wants to be more Trump than Trump. She's terrible,
Speaker 2: but he's getting a free run.
Speaker 6: All right, But did it too what it was designed
Speaker 6: to do, which was to put the brakes on Harris's momentum.
Speaker 1: Well that's not objective reporting. It's just angry and unhinged.
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to what actually took place during
Speaker 1: the conversation.
Speaker 11: More of a believer, I think, and a lot of
Speaker 11: people have said that to be a lot of great
Speaker 11: people have said that to me, actually, but it was
Speaker 11: it was amazing that I happened to be turned just
Speaker 11: at that perfect angle, and all because I put down
Speaker 11: a chart on immigration that showed that the numbers were
Speaker 11: so great.
Speaker 3: I love that chart even Maybe it's a sign.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's a sign immigrations.
Speaker 12: You highlighted a serious issue at that moment, you know here,
Speaker 12: But but you knows of your head, James.
Speaker 1: I think there's a combination here of the Trump arrangement,
Speaker 1: since right where no matter what he does, what he says,
Speaker 1: it has to be met with hostility. But I also
Speaker 1: think there is a little bit of relevance deprivision here
Speaker 1: because CNN didn't get this long form conversation. Both of
Speaker 1: these two blokes don't really want anything to do with
Speaker 1: this media organization, so they've managed to talk directly to
Speaker 1: voters on their own terms. And that kind of infuriates
Speaker 1: some people in the media, Yeah.
Speaker 7: Because they want to see themselves as a gay keepers
Speaker 7: and to be honest, to be fair to seeing in there.
Speaker 7: At least the journalist or the producer whoever wrote that
Speaker 7: script did actually take the time to sit down and
Speaker 7: watch the interview. I've got to clip here from someone
Speaker 7: who doesn't even need to wait for Donald Trump to
Speaker 7: say something before he actively calls him to be shut down.
Speaker 13: Elon Musk is slated to interview Donald Trump tomorrow tonight.
Speaker 9: On on X.
Speaker 13: I don't know if the President has gone today. Feel
Speaker 13: free to say if he is or not. But I
Speaker 13: think that misinformation on Twitter is not just a campaign issue,
Speaker 13: it's you know, it's.
Speaker 12: An America issue.
Speaker 13: What rule does the White House or the President have
Speaker 13: in sort of stopping that or stopping the spread of that,
Speaker 13: or sort of intervening in there.
Speaker 9: You've heard us talk about this many times from here,
Speaker 9: about the responsibilities that social media platforms have.
Speaker 7: That's without him saying anything, just you know what it's
Speaker 7: about to happen, so it should be shut down.
Speaker 3: That is a White House beat reporter.
Speaker 7: You want to talk about someone who should be the
Speaker 7: vanguard of defending free speech and holding power to account.
Speaker 7: It's this person in the room saying, what are you
Speaker 7: guys doing? And that is someone just saying, actually, you know,
Speaker 7: the state should use its power to silence a political energy.
Speaker 1: I love how Korean Jean Pierre the Press sect is
Speaker 1: just saying, well, thank you for this question, which I
Speaker 1: very much want to answer, not about anything we're doing,
Speaker 1: but about stopping literally stopping our political opponent from having
Speaker 1: a conversation. I mean, and this is where it gets
Speaker 1: kind of creepy from my point of view. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: probably got a lot of stuff wrong in that interview, right,
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to defend that. But when you're
Speaker 1: speaking to somebody for hours, for an extensive period of time,
Speaker 1: and then you go back and you find verbal missteps
Speaker 1: and you try and paint the conversation as being dangerous.
Speaker 1: So I listened to that conversation. Therefore there is a
Speaker 1: danger to me listening to that. That is just so
Speaker 1: against what any journalist should want. I mean, what happened
Speaker 1: just to be able to talk to people, listen to
Speaker 1: people and form your own opinion.
Speaker 8: Yeah, agree, I mean, it's interesting he's returned to Twitter
Speaker 8: after leaving the platform many years ago, and it just
Speaker 8: shows that he's adopting a very different approach in this election.
Speaker 8: And he's good for him for showing a willingness to
Speaker 8: actually go onto new platforms and be interviewed. Look, you know,
Speaker 8: Eli Masco would much rather see the journalist's interview him
Speaker 8: and a you know, Silicon Valley tech billionaire mogul. But
Speaker 8: at least he's putting himself out there and I think
Speaker 8: we'll probably see a lot more of that from Trump
Speaker 8: and the run up to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, for me, for one, I found it interesting,
Speaker 1: and I don't think you need to agree with every
Speaker 1: single word uttered between two people talking to find it interesting.
Speaker 1: They're both quite fascinating people with different backgrounds. Why would
Speaker 1: you want to put it to the White House that
Speaker 1: they should censor.
Speaker 7: That, well, because you want him to lose. And I
Speaker 7: just like to take it back to the first point
Speaker 7: is that you've got one candidate who can talk for
Speaker 7: two hours, and you know he's going to get things wrong,
Speaker 7: he's going to muddle things up a bit, but he
Speaker 7: can't talk for two hours versus a candidate they actively
Speaker 7: have to hide from you because you're going to find
Speaker 7: out that that's going to comparisonjustaposition between the two. Let's
Speaker 7: move on, because breakdowns of Raygun has broken her silence.
Speaker 7: It's been a wild week for the academic turned olympian.
Speaker 7: Let's see what she had to say.
Speaker 9: I didn't realize that that would also open the door
Speaker 9: to so much hate, which has frankly been pretty devastating. Well,
Speaker 9: I went out there and I had fun. I did
Speaker 9: take it very seriously, I worked my butt off preparing
Speaker 9: for the Olympics and I gave my all.
Speaker 13: Truly.
Speaker 9: I'm on it to have been a part of the
Speaker 9: Australian Olympic team, meant to be part of Breaking's Olympic.
Speaker 1: Debut, Darren, I get uncomfortable when people try to frame criticism.
Speaker 1: And I've criticized Her've criticized her academic work. I think
Speaker 1: it is childish. I don't think it's academia. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's intelligible. I don't think it should be funded
Speaker 1: by the taxpayer, subsidized by the taxpayer. Now us criticizing
Speaker 1: her and that performance where she's she chose to hop
Speaker 1: around like a kangaroo.
Speaker 3: No one made her do that, right.
Speaker 1: And is it fair to say that that's a hater,
Speaker 1: that there's this there's a hatred behind that, because what
Speaker 1: you're kind of saying is if you critique me, then
Speaker 1: I'm going to slaner you and label you as some
Speaker 1: kind of hateful bigot. I think that's I think that's
Speaker 1: much worse than just criticizing somebody.
Speaker 3: I agree.
Speaker 8: I feel like we're all being gasol a little bit here.
Speaker 8: It's a good thing about all of this and the
Speaker 8: attention that Raygun has gone that is that it's actually
Speaker 8: opened up this big debate around funding and how this
Speaker 8: even happened in the first place. And I think that's
Speaker 8: a positive development. But I've got much rather everyone. We
Speaker 8: were all talking about the extraordinary metal talent, particularly from
Speaker 8: the female yes, and the extraordinary talent dedication, the dedicated
Speaker 8: training over many years that's taken them to this point
Speaker 8: when those medals and the great coaching they've had, that's
Speaker 8: what we really should be talking about instead of celebrating
Speaker 8: someone failing in a really embarrassing way in a sport.
Speaker 3: That isn't really a celebrating mediocrity.
Speaker 1: It really is when we have these great athletes and
Speaker 1: James spring you in here, because we do have these
Speaker 1: people that are just the most incredible thing. I mean,
Speaker 1: to win eighteen Golds and you know there were some
Speaker 1: very close matches like the women's water polo, the stingers
Speaker 1: with the silver as well, some incredible moments, and then
Speaker 1: you've got the AOC, the Australian Olympics Committee putting out
Speaker 1: these lengthy statements defending this.
Speaker 3: Person and I don't think it's appropriate.
Speaker 7: Well, the thing you have to realize is that she
Speaker 7: tried to do a bunny hop and do a kangaroo thing.
Speaker 7: So of course we are going to talk about that
Speaker 7: because how.
Speaker 3: Did that happen?
Speaker 7: So and the idea that it's like shocking to wear
Speaker 7: that this feedback. I don't know if you guys have
Speaker 7: ever like really sucked at something on a public stage.
Speaker 7: But it's not afterwards that you realize that things are
Speaker 7: about to go bad. It's when you see the guy
Speaker 7: before you. So that's when she should have tweet things
Speaker 7: are about to go bad for me right now because
Speaker 7: that person.
Speaker 1: Was really based on that. It was it was a
Speaker 1: bit nasters. If she's not being honest, she doesn't seem
Speaker 1: to realize that she had no place from a caliber
Speaker 1: point of view, she wasn't up there.
Speaker 7: Yes, and yet if she's not in the ABC New
Speaker 7: Year's Eve coverage this week, then this year and what
Speaker 7: are we doing?
Speaker 1: Well, we're going to take a quick break. But when
Speaker 1: we're back Four Corners an investigation which had to make
Speaker 1: a last minute legal kill. Welcome back this week four
Speaker 1: Corners and it's investigation to Network seven.
Speaker 3: And if you missed it, this was the promo.
Speaker 9: Is one of the most soul crushing places you can
Speaker 9: work in, smoke and mirrors.
Speaker 5: Channel seven likes to portray itself as a family.
Speaker 9: It's a very dysfunctional family.
Speaker 3: In Silence for Life Breaking seven Silence, the fear is visceral.
Speaker 8: And I haven't seen anything like it. I wouldn't just
Speaker 8: call it the second Chance Club. I'd call it the third,
Speaker 8: fourth and fifth Chance Club.
Speaker 9: They shouldn't be in business if that's what they're doing
Speaker 9: to young women. How do they sleep at night?
Speaker 1: That promo, which featured Amber Harrison, the former lover of
Speaker 1: X seven boss Tim Warner, attracted a legal letter and
Speaker 1: was eventually deleted from the Internet. The program went to
Speaker 1: air without the Harrison segments, ironically, which had her complaining
Speaker 1: that she was being silenced for life. The Sydney Morning
Speaker 1: Herald's Callum Jasmin reported a last minute omission of a
Speaker 1: key interview from the ABC's Four Corners investigation into workplace
Speaker 1: culture at the seven network undermined the purpose of the program,
Speaker 1: says former company executive distant Amber Harrison, who's part in
Speaker 1: the program failed to go to air now. Harrison said
Speaker 1: it's curious that after being featured in the promram, my
Speaker 1: interview was pulled without explanation. This omission left a significant
Speaker 1: story untold, especially considering the hype surrounding the show and
Speaker 1: the high caliber of journalism Louise Milligan is known for.
Speaker 1: Let's bring the panel back into discuss Darren. That's a
Speaker 1: very uncomfortable interview that Harrison has given about Louise Milligan,
Speaker 1: the star of this program, who, presumably, if this interview
Speaker 1: is anything to go by, never called Amber Harrison to
Speaker 1: explain why this interview was asked. But all of that aside,
Speaker 1: why would it go to air with the promo without
Speaker 1: taking the consideration all these legal implications and then having
Speaker 1: to chop it out last minute.
Speaker 3: It's not a great look.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 8: I think Arma deserved an explanation and heads up ahead
Speaker 8: of the program airing on Monday evening that she wasn't
Speaker 8: going to a peering up all of that time, and
Speaker 8: presumably disclosing things that she probably felt uncomfortable talking about
Speaker 8: that were difficult to talk about after that only happened.
Speaker 8: What's seven six years ago now or maybe a little
Speaker 8: bit longer.
Speaker 3: But what did you think in general about the program?
Speaker 3: I thought it was reheated seconds.
Speaker 8: There were noly revelations given all the publicity and the
Speaker 8: build up and thess stories about the program. I've watched
Speaker 8: it as it was had on Monday night. I just
Speaker 8: found the whole thing. Stuff we've all known and we've read,
Speaker 8: and it's been reported already. It was just a rehash.
Speaker 3: James, what are your thoughts?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I got So the good news for me is
Speaker 7: that it sort of told me that this is an
Speaker 7: industry that is cleaning itself up. I mean, you talk
Speaker 7: to people that are like, you know, veterans of the media,
Speaker 7: and what it took the ABC going.
Speaker 3: Back in the time capsule together on Channel seven.
Speaker 7: You sounds like it was just what people did on
Speaker 7: a standard work day, you know, fifty sixty years ago.
Speaker 3: So it's good to know that.
Speaker 7: I mean, some of the stories are pretty aerbic, and
Speaker 7: some of the story and a bit like I need
Speaker 7: to hear the other side as well, But overall I
Speaker 7: kind of felt, hey, we are getting somewhere in an
Speaker 7: industry where.
Speaker 1: It was also Louis Milligan interviewed about two hundred people,
Speaker 1: and if that was the best that could come out
Speaker 1: of it, it's actually not the worst look for seven.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, So I just think this is an industry that
Speaker 7: is getting to a pretty good place.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, let's move on now. Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi
Speaker 1: has been accused of spreading misinformation once again, this time
Speaker 1: involving our country's top spy, ASIO chief Mike Burgess. Here
Speaker 1: is what our Prime Minister had to say in question
Speaker 1: time yesterday.
Speaker 5: I'll refer to what the ASIO Director General himself has said.
Speaker 5: If they've been issued a visa, they've gone through the process,
Speaker 5: they're referred to my organization and ASIO does it seem.
Speaker 3: But what did Burgess actually.
Speaker 5: Say, Brith they've been issued at visa, they've gone through
Speaker 5: the process. Part of that visa process is with criteria
Speaker 5: hit they're referred to my organization and AZIO does its thing.
Speaker 1: And Opposition leader Peter dun And seized on the mistake
Speaker 1: in parliament, but Albanesi was not apologetic.
Speaker 8: It's been brought to my attention that the Prime Minister,
Speaker 8: in quoting the Direct General of Security earlier, misquoted the
Speaker 8: Director General.
Speaker 3: I would ask you to invite the Prime Minister to correct,
Speaker 3: to correct the requisite is in given this is the
Speaker 3: first available opportunity for him to do that.
Speaker 5: The leader of the Opposition has confirmed the accuracy of
Speaker 5: what I've said, what I have not done. Mister Speakers,
Speaker 5: read out the entire inside this.
Speaker 1: Transcript, Darren, It's not a great look for a man
Speaker 1: that's trying to introduce misinformation legislation, getting the facts right, transparency,
Speaker 1: it's been a huge part of his political platform. The
Speaker 1: time and time again we're seeing Albanese is either making mistakes,
Speaker 1: refusing to apologize, or in the words of Peter Dudden,
Speaker 1: deliberately misleading for political gain.
Speaker 3: What are your thoughts?
Speaker 8: Yeah, Look, I think rather than defending a process that's
Speaker 8: clearly flawed at a very chaotic time, he should just
Speaker 8: be addressing, honestly, the questions around this. It's not clear
Speaker 8: that you know people, it's not clear that the approval
Speaker 8: process was thorough enough, and whether we did in fact
Speaker 8: consult Israeli and intelligence agencies over some of those people,
Speaker 8: and the big jump in those visa refusals as well
Speaker 8: kind of indicates that there was a problem, and that's
Speaker 8: you know, it was a very chaotic time. It was
Speaker 8: a crisis where not to have this hadn't happened. It
Speaker 8: caught everybody unawares, and there's no harm in just admitting that.
Speaker 3: Honestly, it's almost the defense of nature.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the way that he gets his back up when
Speaker 1: he's asked about this, when I think Australians just want
Speaker 1: the transparency and back to my earlier point, he kind
Speaker 1: of ran on this as a platform like I'm going
Speaker 1: to be transparent and clean up Parliament. But when there's
Speaker 1: a question over procedural you know, the mechanics of how
Speaker 1: visas are into, he gets his back up and then
Speaker 1: you know, it becomes a cultural war issue rather than
Speaker 1: a mechanical question.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's not good on the back foot. It's not
Speaker 7: just this, it's when he's been press conferences and journalists
Speaker 7: are going Adam, he can get a bit shifty. We
Speaker 7: saw the famous Women's March where he was copying a
Speaker 7: barrage from one of the speakers and then decided to
Speaker 7: return fire and that made her cry like he's not
Speaker 7: someone accustomed. Strangely enough, for a guy that has risen
Speaker 7: to Prime minister, he's not accustomed to defending himself and
Speaker 7: to keeping his call when he's under pressure.
Speaker 3: It's bizarre.
Speaker 1: James Darren, thank you for joining us. That's all the
Speaker 1: time we have for tonight. Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 1: We'll be back next week at the same time.