Speaker 1: I'll get everyone. We're just having a little in house
Speaker 1: argument here. Patrick's already thrown his glomash in the shagpile.
Speaker 1: Minute one, TIFF's laughing like a crooko bar. In the background,
Speaker 1: the typ Cooko Borrough That is Tiff, good morning. Well
Speaker 1: let's start with fucking Captain Spock, who's there in his
Speaker 1: I wish you could see what I can see everyone,
Speaker 1: because Patrick looks like he's at the International Space Station.
Speaker 1: He's got a big round window behind him, and is
Speaker 1: that I should know? But is that Earth behind you?
Speaker 1: What is that?
Speaker 2: No? I think it's a random planet that might be Earth,
Speaker 2: But now there's too many other satellites and things in
Speaker 2: the sky behind me to actually be the planet Earth.
Speaker 2: So I think it's imagined scene from space.
Speaker 1: It's not my my? Is it another real one?
Speaker 2: It's a real one, real gorgeous nerde isn't he?
Speaker 1: Oh? Isn't he? Don't you just want to pick him
Speaker 1: up and squeeze him till he farts?
Speaker 2: He's so cute, so much want to do that to
Speaker 2: anybody there is. There's no circumstance that I want to
Speaker 2: crushed someone to the point you start screeting stuff. Well,
Speaker 2: I didn't say screeting. I'm not talking about shitting. I'm
Speaker 2: not going to squeeze you to your shit, just going
Speaker 2: to like a little cute.
Speaker 1: Like harmless shirt out the back. There is it.
Speaker 2: That's the problem though, right what when it when a
Speaker 2: fart develops? Lunch there you're in.
Speaker 1: No, no, see you didn't need to. There's somebody right
Speaker 1: now eating porridge and they've just gone, ah fuck, I'm out.
Speaker 1: Somebody's gone. I'm out. Sorry, I'm going to I'm going
Speaker 1: to ignore you for a moment. Good morning tip that
Speaker 1: Good morning Harts. How are you very good? Thanks? Happy Friday,
Speaker 1: Happy Friday, everybody. It's if you want to know where
Speaker 1: we are all at at the moment, it's twenty five
Speaker 1: minutes to eight in the am on a Friday. If
Speaker 1: you've never heard this show, it'll probably be your last
Speaker 1: one because it's it's an experience.
Speaker 2: And can I just say it's not indicative of all
Speaker 2: the quality recordings that you'll be able to listen to
Speaker 2: in the back catalog. So this only happens once a fortnight,
Speaker 2: so listens are really good shows, just you know, do
Speaker 2: the fillers in between the everynight.
Speaker 1: Thank you for taking a hit for the team, Patrick,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, But I don't know why. Sometimes
Speaker 1: I go, you know, one of the things that you
Speaker 1: two know this, but our listeners might not have thought
Speaker 1: about a lot. But at the end of every show,
Speaker 1: I sit there with bits of paper in front of me,
Speaker 1: with just shit that I've scribbled down through the show,
Speaker 1: and out of the shit that I've scribbled down, I think, oh,
Speaker 1: I've got to write what we just spoke about, or
Speaker 1: you know, some kind of meaningful synopsis of the bullshit
Speaker 1: that just went on for an hour, and I sometimes
Speaker 1: I struggle. I've got no fucking idea what to write
Speaker 1: because we didn't really talk about much. But nonetheless it
Speaker 1: seems to have been fun. You remember when Seinfeld they
Speaker 1: created the show for Telly and they were literally pitching
Speaker 1: the show about nothing, which is essentially what Yeah.
Speaker 2: Anyway, I don't know what you said earlier, but it
Speaker 2: made me think of my doom scrolling on YouTube this morning,
Speaker 2: and somehow in my feed it came up with when
Speaker 2: bullies get their own back? So, you know, when bullies
Speaker 2: bully people and the underdog gets back, and then it
Speaker 2: just fight scenes from movies. Basically, oh really, just pick
Speaker 2: on someone, but then the underdog gets their revenge.
Speaker 1: Somebody sent me a thing yesterday and this dude, I
Speaker 1: don't know where it was, but it was he was
Speaker 1: at an ATM and he was getting money out and
Speaker 1: it was about your size, Patrick, and the guy that
Speaker 1: was bigger than me came up and grabbed him, pushed
Speaker 1: him and grabbed him, was going to rob him, and
Speaker 1: the little guy with the money hunched him square in
Speaker 1: the fucking face and knocked him out and then just
Speaker 1: walked off with his cash. I'm like, go, like this,
Speaker 1: this dude was trying to rob him, this bigger dude,
Speaker 1: and he definitely did. Like whoever the little guy was,
Speaker 1: he could one hundred percent fight, you know. He just
Speaker 1: cracked him on the jaw, knocked him out, didn't bat
Speaker 1: an eyelid, walk stepped over him, and walked off with
Speaker 1: his cash.
Speaker 2: But you know what I took from that thing, just
Speaker 2: what you just said. Wow, the little guy was your
Speaker 2: size and the other guy was bigger than me. What
Speaker 2: impassively bigger and I'm that tiny little weakling the.
Speaker 1: Nerd, Well, you're not a weakling, but you just you're
Speaker 1: You're diminutive, You're like cute. It's like I want to
Speaker 1: put you at the end of my books and just
Speaker 1: leave you there.
Speaker 2: I thought you were going to cuddle me till I thought.
Speaker 1: You're not really that diminutive. People are going, what is
Speaker 1: he like?
Speaker 2: Four foot taol? How what are you about? Five seven,
Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty nine centimeters? I don't know five
Speaker 2: and stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah maybe five to six. No, no, no, no, that's
Speaker 1: maybe five to seven or even five back. Ohright, enough
Speaker 1: about your dimensions. We don't We definitely don't need to
Speaker 1: know all your dimensions.
Speaker 2: I've done that's been really exciting.
Speaker 1: Well, can we be the judge of whether or not
Speaker 1: it's exciting?
Speaker 2: Really?
Speaker 1: See? What you need to go is can I just
Speaker 1: tell you something that I've done?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you didn't preface it with anything? Should I? I should
Speaker 2: let you judge whether it's exciting or not?
Speaker 1: Well, Tiff can judge once atten tive, super exciting, one boring?
Speaker 1: What is about you need you need to give it
Speaker 1: a score?
Speaker 2: It is relative though. No. I had an amazing experience
Speaker 2: last week with Victoria University. I was hosting their very
Speaker 2: first They're inaugural AI hackathon. So the idea isn't it
Speaker 2: related to we're coincided with International Disability Day, and what
Speaker 2: they did was they got their students to come up
Speaker 2: with ways to use AI to help people with disabilities.
Speaker 2: So they had a week to plan it and they
Speaker 2: started it on a Tuesday. We had a session with
Speaker 2: Microsoft Microsoft brief as I was able to sit in
Speaker 2: my International Space station right here at home because it
Speaker 2: was in Sydney, it was in it was in per
Speaker 2: not Perth. Was it Sydney, Brisbane and Melbourne. And it
Speaker 2: was amazing. But what was really cool that came out
Speaker 2: of it was there was a couple of things that
Speaker 2: I unpacked from it. One was a lot of the
Speaker 2: students didn't know anybody with a disability, which kind of
Speaker 2: blew my mind a little bit. They kind of admitted
Speaker 2: that this was the first time they had really thought
Speaker 2: about what it was like to be a disabled person.
Speaker 2: But some of the ideas they came up with were fantastic.
Speaker 2: You know, one guy came up with an idea for
Speaker 2: an app so that you could use it to navigate
Speaker 2: on campus at VU. But what he also did was
Speaker 2: he said he would integrate, so if you've got a wheelchair,
Speaker 2: then getting from A to B as the crow flies
Speaker 2: may not work for you, So you choose the route
Speaker 2: that you wanted to go to and then you use
Speaker 2: wheelchair friendly and then it would take you from A
Speaker 2: to B but taking into account the fact that you're
Speaker 2: in a wheelchair. So I thought that was really cool.
Speaker 2: And another girl came up with a concept and a
Speaker 2: working model. I couldn't believe she'd done this in a week.
Speaker 2: A working model of how to teach people and use
Speaker 2: sign language. So you know, he can use phones now
Speaker 2: to communicate with people with different languages. Well it also
Speaker 2: now the concept was to use that for Osland, which
Speaker 2: is the Australian sign language, and so what it would
Speaker 2: also do is if you put your hand up to
Speaker 2: make one of the symbols to copy somebody and it
Speaker 2: wasn't accurate, it would give you an accuracy rating so
Speaker 2: that you could improve your use of Osland as well.
Speaker 2: So it just was amazing that the initiative was put forward.
Speaker 2: They had some prizes and it was Yeah, I really
Speaker 2: thoroughly enjoyed it. It was so just enriching to see
Speaker 2: what young people can come up with and how they
Speaker 2: can envisage a future that's more friendly to everybody.
Speaker 1: Isn't it good? When like when you were young, I
Speaker 1: feel like you are. Your creativity is better. Doesn't mean
Speaker 1: you can't be creative when you're older, but when you're younger,
Speaker 1: there are far less kind of mental barriers about who
Speaker 1: you are and who you're not, and what you can
Speaker 1: do and what you can't do. And so you just
Speaker 1: get presented with this clean kind of or this blank
Speaker 1: canvas and say, throw some ideas at it. How did
Speaker 1: you get that gig?
Speaker 2: Just throw A friend of mine who works at Victoria University,
Speaker 2: she knows I do this podcast, and you know I
Speaker 2: do a bit of this sort of stuff. So I
Speaker 2: loved it. That's such a fun time. It was really good.
Speaker 2: And I actually made a new friend too, which was
Speaker 2: really super exciting. Do you want me to introduce you
Speaker 2: to my new friend?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yes, Patrick?
Speaker 2: Could you?
Speaker 1: Hey? Patrick?
Speaker 3: Good morning, what's on your mind?
Speaker 2: Hey, co pilot? Nice to chat to you again. I
Speaker 2: was just telling my friends at Craig and Tiff about
Speaker 2: this new exciting person that I've met you.
Speaker 3: Oh that's awesome, Patrick, I'm glad you just spreading the word.
Speaker 1: What did Cragan Tiff think.
Speaker 2: Well, they haven't actually met you yet, of course. I
Speaker 2: mean I was just telling them about the hackathon that
Speaker 2: I was involved with last week and how exciting it
Speaker 2: was to work with the Copilot suite of technology.
Speaker 1: Thrilling.
Speaker 3: Hackathons are such a great way to dive into new tech.
Speaker 3: What did you and your team create with the co
Speaker 3: Pilot suite?
Speaker 2: Oh, well, some of the students looked at ways to
Speaker 2: integrate technology to make it easier for people with disabilities,
Speaker 2: because that was the whole theme.
Speaker 1: What a meaningful challenge. How did the integration go?
Speaker 3: Did you end up with something that could make a
Speaker 3: real difference for people with disabilities?
Speaker 2: It certainly set the I guess, a benchmark and something
Speaker 2: to aim for. So obviously a week isn't lot a
Speaker 2: lot of time, but that was really exciting, and what
Speaker 2: I really found was fun for me was getting to
Speaker 2: understand a little bit more about at you and all
Speaker 2: the resources you can provide me with.
Speaker 3: Sounds like a really rewarding week. I'm glad you've got
Speaker 3: to explore the possibilities of co Pilot. There's a lot
Speaker 3: of potential to tap into. What was the most surprising
Speaker 3: or eye opening thing you learned about the co Pilot suite?
Speaker 2: Oh, I think that the conversational quality of being able
Speaker 2: to talk to an AI that felt so real.
Speaker 3: It's great to hear that the interaction felt real enough
Speaker 3: to have a meaningful conversation. Making technology more intuitive and
Speaker 3: human like has the potential to create so many opportunities
Speaker 3: for more natural, effective communication.
Speaker 2: What do you think it's fady to interrupt? I've got
Speaker 2: to go back to this podcast I'm working on at
Speaker 2: the moment.
Speaker 1: But look great the chat.
Speaker 2: Maybe we can talk again later.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Patrick, enjoy your podcast.
Speaker 2: So that was hell.
Speaker 1: I'm terrified. Look at your face, chick.
Speaker 4: I want a friend like that? Can I have a friend?
Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody could have a friend like that?
Speaker 1: Where do I get a friend like this?
Speaker 2: Was that cool?
Speaker 1: That's really well? Tell us don't just do that. I
Speaker 1: mean one, that's amazing and by the way, beautiful, like everyone,
Speaker 1: that was just in real time. That wasn't edited. That
Speaker 1: was that. I didn't know that was coming. Tift didn't
Speaker 1: know that was coming. So explain to everybody what they
Speaker 1: just heard and how we can get what's his name
Speaker 1: just co pilot. I feel like he needs a name.
Speaker 2: It is copilot. The thing is this is actually already here.
Speaker 2: So if you have office three, six, five, if you're
Speaker 2: integrated and you've got Windows on your computer if you're
Speaker 2: using a PC, if you go down the bottom, there's
Speaker 2: actually a little copilot icon on everybody's computer. There's a
Speaker 2: trial version. You only get a stop.
Speaker 1: Hang on, what does it look like? I'm fucking looking?
Speaker 1: Don't just keep talking and assume we understand you like
Speaker 1: speak speak like speak, Craig, because most people are more
Speaker 1: like me than like you in terms of tech, in
Speaker 1: terms of our listeners. So what am I looking for? Okay?
Speaker 2: Now, it may well very be, it will very well
Speaker 2: be on your computers. It's called co pilot. So if
Speaker 2: you're using Windows Office three six five so have you,
Speaker 2: you know you can get it if you jump into
Speaker 2: you know, just typing co pilot in your like search bar,
Speaker 2: what so in Google?
Speaker 1: Or what search? We? Okay search? Okay? What am I
Speaker 1: typing co pilot as a hyphenated.
Speaker 2: Just one word with a new tool.
Speaker 1: Well, co pilot, Microsoft copilot, your AI companion.
Speaker 2: Oh see where you go? Now just to click?
Speaker 1: Okay, So this is great, This is great pod Well,
Speaker 1: people are going to want to do it as well.
Speaker 1: Some click and I don't worry everyone, I won't bore
Speaker 1: you with this for the next ten minutes.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe he will message.
Speaker 1: Copilot message Copilot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you can use my or you can type messages. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's an interactive.
Speaker 1: Talk to copilot hengd on oh signing. Oh, they're set
Speaker 1: to record a message. But what do I say? Do
Speaker 1: I sound happy? All right, I'll do that later, but
Speaker 1: I'm excited.
Speaker 2: Train at first. So what you do is you choose
Speaker 2: the voice, and then you've chosen the voice, you introduce
Speaker 2: who you are so that when you talk to it,
Speaker 2: it knows that it's Craig or Tiff or in this
Speaker 2: case Patrick. There is a demo version. You only get
Speaker 2: to use it for five minutes a day if you
Speaker 2: haven't subscribed to the platform, and I think it's you
Speaker 2: get the first month free, and I think it's twenty
Speaker 2: two dollars a month to be able to use Copilot.
Speaker 2: But the way that Microsoft is using these tools is
Speaker 2: to use the Copilot technology to streamline what you do.
Speaker 2: So if you're putting together a PowerPoint presentation and you've
Speaker 2: got some dot points, you can get co Pilot to
Speaker 2: make the presentation for you, to brand it, to lay
Speaker 2: it out for you, and you can refine that you
Speaker 2: can use a lot of these tools. So Microsoft has
Speaker 2: a complete range of tools that interact with the AI
Speaker 2: that they're now starting to use across the entire Microsoft suite.
Speaker 2: So when you subscribe to it, and it's not dissimilar
Speaker 2: to the other ones that are out there because Google
Speaker 2: has its own, Meta has its own as well, and
Speaker 2: you can start to train it. But look, it's been
Speaker 2: fun to play around with it, and it's a bit
Speaker 2: gimmicky too, But for me, what it envisages. What I
Speaker 2: see is that the future for a lot of people.
Speaker 2: If you're an older person who's living alone and you
Speaker 2: integrate this into your daily living, and you know, I
Speaker 2: helped a friend recently who's got Parkinson's who is struggling
Speaker 2: to be able to get to sides of the room
Speaker 2: to turn lights on and off. So now she has
Speaker 2: a Google Home speaker and she can just get Google
Speaker 2: to turn the lights on and off. This is really
Speaker 2: easy tech to set up. It's great to use. But
Speaker 2: the way I I see it is once you have
Speaker 2: that integration into something like Copilot, you know it can
Speaker 2: be lonely being by yourself and having someone just asking
Speaker 2: how you are could help also help as people you know,
Speaker 2: get older, if they don't feel well, you can talk
Speaker 2: to your AI and maybe call a friend or you know,
Speaker 2: call an ambulance if you got into distress, you know,
Speaker 2: could you imagine if you suddenly fell and you yelled,
Speaker 2: you don't have to touch a device, you know, it
Speaker 2: detects that you've fallen, and it actually is interesting. So
Speaker 2: I've got a story coming up a little bit later
Speaker 2: about how AI is going to be used at a
Speaker 2: public pool in Queensland to detect if swimmers get into
Speaker 2: trouble and potentially help protect from drowning. So if you
Speaker 2: had an AI in your home, like co pilot that
Speaker 2: monitored someone who is elderly or infirm or whatever, or
Speaker 2: just somebody like me who just loves having a chat
Speaker 2: to an AI because it's fun. Sense of that companionship
Speaker 2: as well if you're by yourself.
Speaker 1: So Patrick, what I mean, maybe you don't know a
Speaker 1: bit like I use chat GPT four or as I
Speaker 1: call him or her chatters. Is it similar?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely, Yeah. There are a number of different ways
Speaker 2: that they train the AI models and that's the thing.
Speaker 2: You know, ALI is used in everything that we're doing,
Speaker 2: you know, so much. It could be something as simple
Speaker 2: as your new car being able to keep you in
Speaker 2: your lane, to make effectively to look and look beyond
Speaker 2: you know, the vehicle to what's coming in front of you,
Speaker 2: to detect, say a stop sign, does your new car
Speaker 2: do that crago where you're in an intersection? And so
Speaker 2: it's using AI and its database, so it knows what
Speaker 2: a stop sign look like, looks like, but the stop
Speaker 2: sign might have mud on it, so it looks beyond
Speaker 2: just that recognition, and it's able to detect what that
Speaker 2: sign is and then obviously warn you that there's a
Speaker 2: stop sign coming up, as opposed to say give way.
Speaker 2: So it is being used in lots of things. And
Speaker 2: I know it's a hatch phrase. You know, we hear
Speaker 2: it all the time. AI power it, but and you're
Speaker 2: using it all the time, So yes, an answer your question.
Speaker 2: It is like chat GPT and the way that it
Speaker 2: interacts is just getting smarter all the time. You know,
Speaker 2: what you should try sometimes is ask chat GPT to
Speaker 2: give a summary of what it understands about you, because
Speaker 2: you've done a lot of searching, So just say, can
Speaker 2: you give me a summary of what you what you
Speaker 2: know about me? And even maybe can you draw a
Speaker 2: picture of my world or something and to see what.
Speaker 1: It comes with. Yeah, do you know what I find interesting?
Speaker 1: Like even though I know that it's not a person talking,
Speaker 1: and you know it's not a person talking and TIV
Speaker 1: when I'm when I'm talking to chat GPT in inverted commas,
Speaker 1: I'm quite respectful, and I don't know whether I'm respectful
Speaker 1: because part of me feels like I'm talking to a
Speaker 1: person and you know, there's no going to be disrespectful anyway.
Speaker 1: But there's no person there of course, right. But it's
Speaker 1: funny because sometimes I'll ask a question and it'll go,
Speaker 1: that's a great question, Craig, and I feel a bit
Speaker 1: good because I'm just being complimented by AI. But it's
Speaker 1: funny because the feeling that I have is similar to
Speaker 1: if an actual person compliments me, even though my brain
Speaker 1: and my logical self no, nobody's complimenting me, like there
Speaker 1: is no person there. This is but it's funny. The
Speaker 1: experience that I have is real, although the compliment is not,
Speaker 1: or it's not person generated anyway.
Speaker 2: I actually I understand that I could kind of think
Speaker 2: of a little parallel that happened to me this week.
Speaker 2: I did a mindfulness workshop that was being run by
Speaker 2: our local health center. I thought I might give it
Speaker 2: a try and see what because I thought it would
Speaker 2: be able to help me leverage my tai chi that
Speaker 2: I do. It gave me a bit of a thought exercise,
Speaker 2: And what I did with my students was we're learning
Speaker 2: the beginners of learning a form called the Yang eight.
Speaker 2: So it's eight designated moves, and learning moves mean remembering
Speaker 2: what you did to do. There's the repetition and all
Speaker 2: the rest that goes with it and muscle memory. But
Speaker 2: what I got them to do this week was I
Speaker 2: got them instead of actually doing the move to start with,
Speaker 2: I got them to close their eyes. I talked them
Speaker 2: through like I normally would, but I got them to
Speaker 2: visualize it, not to actually physically do it, but to
Speaker 2: play the moves in their mind, because visualizing is exactly
Speaker 2: the same. So our mind, even though I'm not physically moving,
Speaker 2: our minds has this amazing ability to be able to
Speaker 2: put us into that situation. So if you have an
Speaker 2: ai give you a compliment, the mechanism in your brain
Speaker 2: that causes the sensation and the emotions that go with
Speaker 2: being complemented are exactly the same as if you know
Speaker 2: myself or TIF gave you a compliment, probably not going
Speaker 2: to happen. But you know that's why you need AI hurtful. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you see what I'm saying. It's one of those things
Speaker 2: where our brain has this amazing ability, is almost full itself.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh no, it's incredible. I love it. All right,
Speaker 1: let's move on. We've got a half hour or so.
Speaker 1: What do you want to go to next?
Speaker 2: Dogs? Because Tiff and I you know, and I know
Speaker 2: you're eventually going to get a dog. I'm going to
Speaker 2: tell you about this because this is so exciting and
Speaker 2: I want one of these right now, a soundboard to
Speaker 2: train your dog on so that they can intentionally communicate
Speaker 2: with you what they want. Go on, okay, So so do.
Speaker 1: They put their poor on a button and then a
Speaker 1: speaker goes, I want food? Hurry up?
Speaker 2: Yes, yep. So they've been training dogs on these soundboards
Speaker 2: and they're just two word buttons, but they can purse,
Speaker 2: purposefully communicate. And what they found was they took one
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty two dogs and they analyzed two hundred
Speaker 2: and sixty thousand presses of the button, and they found
Speaker 2: that there was actually meaningful combinations, like they wanted to
Speaker 2: go outside, they wanted to go potty, so outside and
Speaker 2: potty they connected the words together, and they associated the
Speaker 2: two words to say, I need to go outside because
Speaker 2: I need to go to the toilet where you know,
Speaker 2: or I wanted food. So what they found the researchers
Speaker 2: found is that the two word button presses indicated deliberate communication.
Speaker 2: So and you know this yourself, tif how many times
Speaker 2: has your dog come up and just poured your leg
Speaker 2: to try to let you know something? But how do
Speaker 2: you know what they wanted? So this is and the
Speaker 2: other thing the researchers felt was actually going beyond just imitation,
Speaker 2: so they it was significantly differed from you know, the
Speaker 2: patterns that you know would just be random. So there
Speaker 2: was a real thought process behind it. And what they're
Speaker 2: hoping is with future studies they can actually reference past
Speaker 2: and future events using the soundboards. So what they're thinking
Speaker 2: is that once the dog knows and it can meaning
Speaker 2: flea meaningfully communicate, they'll be able to use that. And
Speaker 2: it's I don't know, I find that amazing that you
Speaker 2: can get that depth of communication, because for me, a
Speaker 2: lot of the things that Fritz does. When he wants
Speaker 2: to communicate is the same thing. So do I you know,
Speaker 2: does he want to go out? Does he want to
Speaker 2: have food? Does he want to cuddle? I don't know
Speaker 2: what his intentions are because he's only got one way
Speaker 2: to tell me, like a bark or a pat on
Speaker 2: the leg. But if they could do that, if someone
Speaker 2: could devise a soundboard that the dog could use to communicate,
Speaker 2: that would be the best, wouldn't it, Tiff?
Speaker 1: It's yeah, what about if we did it the other
Speaker 1: way and we learned how to speak dog and the
Speaker 1: dog could train us. Yeah, but I just quickly Patrick
Speaker 1: and Tiff and listeners who love dogs. I saw this
Speaker 1: video yesterday and there was a lady who she's got
Speaker 1: a Kelpie. They're the ones that really know the Australian
Speaker 1: you know, the dogs that heard everything that are black
Speaker 1: and white, a Kelpies, Barter Collie's. So this border collie
Speaker 1: that's got an IQ of about one hundred and fifty, right,
Speaker 1: So she's got a border Collie and a husky and
Speaker 1: she's walking them and she's in this like park and
Speaker 1: they're both on lead, and then she lets them go
Speaker 1: and they both just run off right, So the leads
Speaker 1: are trailing and they're both going berserk, and she calls
Speaker 1: the border collie or she calls the dogs back, and
Speaker 1: you see the border collie. It bends down and it
Speaker 1: picks up the end of the lead in its mouth
Speaker 1: and it runs straight back and sits next to her,
Speaker 1: and the husky's fucking all over the shop. The husky
Speaker 1: is like, you can get rooted. I'm not coming back.
Speaker 1: In fact, I'm not even listening. I'm not interested. And
Speaker 1: then the border collie is just sitting there patiently and
Speaker 1: kind of rolls its eyes, not really, but then it
Speaker 1: runs up to the husky, grabs the lead of the
Speaker 1: husky and brings it back to the mum, like such
Speaker 1: a smart dog. And the Husky's like, all right, then
Speaker 1: that's what you need, is a dog that's that's that smart.
Speaker 2: Well, the things that I thought were really cool about
Speaker 2: this this app so I think the fluence pet is
Speaker 2: what they're calling it. But some of the key things
Speaker 2: that came out of it were the essential needs to
Speaker 2: what the dog wanted. So food, water, outside, treat, play, potty,
Speaker 2: So all those key things were the essential needs that
Speaker 2: dogs have. But it would make so much sense, wouldn't it.
Speaker 2: I just think that'd be really fun to be able
Speaker 2: to better understand or for us dumb people to know
Speaker 2: what our dogs want. It was fun. I thought that
Speaker 2: was really a cool thing and just another great use
Speaker 2: of tech, really really fun stuff.
Speaker 1: Love it, Love it.
Speaker 2: Next, Octun Oh, I don't know, did you want to
Speaker 2: jump to or the AI story we started talking about
Speaker 2: before was the swimming pool. So the Logan Public Pool. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we kind of teased it before. So the Logan Public
Speaker 2: Pool is in Queensland, and what they've done is they're
Speaker 2: using AI. Obviously, they've got cameras that are scanning the
Speaker 2: pool and they detect anything that's kind of unusual, something
Speaker 2: that seems out of the ordinary with movement in the water,
Speaker 2: and then it sends a smart watch alert to one
Speaker 2: of the lifeguards. So the data then also looked at say,
Speaker 2: pool hotspots, so for example, it might be the six
Speaker 2: foot part of the pool as opposed to the waiting
Speaker 2: part of the pool. Yeah, and so there areas where
Speaker 2: person might be more likely to struggle when they're out
Speaker 2: of their depth, so the higher end of the pool,
Speaker 2: that sort of stuff. And it's a really big thing
Speaker 2: because it was a sad story that prompted it because
Speaker 2: back in twenty sixteen a young girl had drowned at
Speaker 2: the pool and they really wanted to look at ways
Speaker 2: and you know, to help those people who are swimming
Speaker 2: in at this particular time of the year, when you've
Speaker 2: got maybe a handful of lifeguards and so many people swimming,
Speaker 2: it would be easy to miss something and a tragedy
Speaker 2: like that. And I was looking at some of the statistics.
Speaker 2: I mean, backyard pools are always and have been the
Speaker 2: biggest danger because national drownings I think in Australia was
Speaker 2: about three hundred and twenty three people, which is super sad,
Speaker 2: but that's an increase from last year of sixteen percent,
Speaker 2: and six of those people drowned in public pools, and
Speaker 2: there were also non fatal drowning, so it's not just
Speaker 2: people drowning, but people who get into trouble and potentially
Speaker 2: you know, you know, if you're part of an incident
Speaker 2: and you've lost the ability to breathe and you have
Speaker 2: to be revived, there could be ramifications from that as well.
Speaker 2: So it's actually really interesting that they're using this sort
Speaker 2: of stat and I could see that, you know, to
Speaker 2: monitor the pool. If you again had you know, a
Speaker 2: couple of cameras outside in a home, it could monitor
Speaker 2: and raise the alarm, you know, if a toddle of
Speaker 2: I mean, I know we should have gates and things,
Speaker 2: but if a child walked over and got into distress,
Speaker 2: it could alarm you. Alarm, You could warn you and
Speaker 2: set off an alarm. So there's hope that this sort
Speaker 2: of technology could then be applied on a broader scale,
Speaker 2: because again, once you've got the data set, once you've
Speaker 2: got the information that says that this part of the
Speaker 2: pool is a danger area, or if a person is
Speaker 2: flailing around and moving their arms radically, then that's a
Speaker 2: trigger point to raise the alarm as opposed to someone
Speaker 2: who's just swimming laps or paddling around. And that's where
Speaker 2: you having that data set initially and doing the training
Speaker 2: and then employing that, say in the public pool sector,
Speaker 2: then you can be able to use that same data
Speaker 2: set to apply to a home environment. That's what the
Speaker 2: great thing is about training these sorts of AI models
Speaker 2: or these technology models.
Speaker 1: And I guess the thing too is that AI doesn't
Speaker 1: get tired, it doesn't get distracted, it doesn't need to
Speaker 1: go and get lunch. It doesn't lose focus, it doesn't
Speaker 1: need we that doesn't try and chat up one of
Speaker 1: the girls at the pool or one of the boys.
Speaker 2: I mean, if I was if I was a pool
Speaker 2: guard and you walk past in a MANKINI that would
Speaker 2: be distracting.
Speaker 1: You know, Well that's I mean that probably three people
Speaker 1: would drown just because you were looking at my ass.
Speaker 1: And I mean, we can't have that. Evacuates nobody's looking
Speaker 1: nobody's looking at my ass. But I guess one of
Speaker 1: the things that I think about a bit, and you
Speaker 1: are I've spoken a bit, but is the fact that
Speaker 1: while AI is, you know, growing exponentially, and it's there's
Speaker 1: a myriad of benefits and potential benefits, I guess it
Speaker 1: impacts some people personally, like in the music industry and
Speaker 1: many other industries where I see your headline here is
Speaker 1: that nearly a quarter of over the next four years,
Speaker 1: people are going to be affected, Like people in the
Speaker 1: music industry. Their income is going to come down, and
Speaker 1: some jobs or some als are going to become the
Speaker 1: the I guess the landscape of AI rather than humans.
Speaker 1: But that's happening in a lot of industries and professions.
Speaker 1: But what what's what are the pros and cons of that?
Speaker 2: I guess it's a really good point. And you know,
Speaker 2: it's funny. This topic came up during the hackathon last week,
Speaker 2: and one of the things I think about is when
Speaker 2: we thought about the industrial revolution and when you know,
Speaker 2: when Henry Ford first rolled out the Model T and
Speaker 2: they started factories and production lines and assembly lines. It
Speaker 2: was thought that this could be, you know, the end
Speaker 2: of everything when factories came about.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, and do you remember also, sorry to interrupt,
Speaker 1: but this is quite famous when they started bringing out cars,
Speaker 1: all the all the horse and drawn all the the
Speaker 1: horse drawn carts, and people who you know, they thought
Speaker 1: it was the end of the world and they were
Speaker 1: rallying against these motorized buggies because it meant the end
Speaker 1: of an industry and the end of livelihood for many people.
Speaker 2: And look, it did. It meant that some jobs did go,
Speaker 2: But what it meant was people could be retrained to then,
Speaker 2: you know, work on cars and become mechanics or you know,
Speaker 2: or chauffeurs in your case. You know, there's lots of
Speaker 2: things that you could do. So the industries do evolve
Speaker 2: and move and You know the thing about using a
Speaker 2: lot of this technology is it does make life a
Speaker 2: lot easier and freeze us up to do other things.
Speaker 2: And whether you're using one of those tools at work
Speaker 2: to be able just to check an email that you're
Speaker 2: about to send off for accuracy, for spelling, you know, grammatics,
Speaker 2: that sort of thing. It means that you're getting the
Speaker 2: message across or summarizing something. You know, how many times
Speaker 2: have you received a lot of information at once and think, look,
Speaker 2: I haven't got the time to read all of this.
Speaker 2: And if you throw that into say chat GTP and
Speaker 2: say can you this concisely to just some board points,
Speaker 2: then you've got it and you can. I mean I
Speaker 2: probably should do that before I do the show. I
Speaker 2: should to throw all the notes into chat GPT's they
Speaker 2: just summarize all this crap.
Speaker 1: You know what's funny is the document that you send.
Speaker 1: So this is what happens everyone. Patrick sends me about
Speaker 1: thirteen seconds before we go live. He sends me a
Speaker 1: document and it's got here I'm looking at right now,
Speaker 1: Episode ninety menu. So these are the heading psychology, tech, AI, cars,
Speaker 1: Internet scams, and then Internet Comma And the next one
Speaker 1: is scams. It's a thirty five page document like this,
Speaker 1: thirty five pages of stuff. Hey, before we go to
Speaker 1: your next topic, I wanted to just introduce a quick one.
Speaker 1: I don't know if either of you heard about what
Speaker 1: happened with the VCS is still called VCE Year twelve
Speaker 1: exams in Victoria, where a whole lot of a whole
Speaker 1: lot of actual exam questions got leaked to early. So
Speaker 1: something like sixty five different subjects, which is fucking most
Speaker 1: of them, right, So students were getting sent actual exam
Speaker 1: questions and requie but so they knew ahead of time
Speaker 1: what was going to be in some of the exams,
Speaker 1: which obviously was nobody's intention that that. By the way,
Speaker 1: how happy would you be if you're a year twelve student?
Speaker 1: But I guess that's one of the downsides. Mate.
Speaker 2: Well, I think there were test exams, weren't they, But
Speaker 2: the test exam questions were actual exam questions. There was
Speaker 2: a major stuff up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so somebody I wonder if that's somebody or
Speaker 1: something or get in trouble.
Speaker 2: Look, you know, it's funny. I'm digressing a lot here,
Speaker 2: but I really am not a big fan of the
Speaker 2: whole idea of exams and how much weight is put
Speaker 2: on them. You know, there were a lot of allowances
Speaker 2: made during COVID, and I think that what came out
Speaker 2: of that is why are we putting all these people
Speaker 2: under so much pressure and making just one lot of
Speaker 2: exams so crucial to the rest of their life? You know,
Speaker 2: don't you think that it's kind of skewed the wrong way.
Speaker 2: I mean, think exams are important to test people's knowledge
Speaker 2: and maybe have exams worth twenty percent, But you know,
Speaker 2: surely all the work you do throughout the year has
Speaker 2: got to count for something. I mean, what about what
Speaker 2: you're doing right now. I think all the research that
Speaker 2: you've done, you've spoken to people, you've I mean, I
Speaker 2: can't even begin to imagine how much work you've had
Speaker 2: to do. But reality of it is, if it all
Speaker 2: then had to hinge, you know, on a two hour exam,
Speaker 2: I mean, would that that would just be crazy stuff?
Speaker 1: Well it kind of does, it kind of does. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because what you do is like five years depends Like
Speaker 1: I'm slow, but five years of research and out of
Speaker 1: that essentially will come three or four or five papers
Speaker 1: that you will submit to be published that will get
Speaker 1: published or not. So, but I know what you're saying,
Speaker 1: and I think the down look, I'm I'm I can
Speaker 1: see the pros and cons of exams. The pros, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's pressure, it says, yeah, but life's pressure like
Speaker 1: work is pressure. Like I was having this chat yesterday
Speaker 1: with doctor Jody Richardson about how how much how much
Speaker 1: do we protect and look after and you know, kind
Speaker 1: of take care of our kids and how much do
Speaker 1: we let them go for a run and fall over
Speaker 1: and scrape their knees and not pick them up because
Speaker 1: the truth is that, you know, once they hit adulthood,
Speaker 1: nobody's running around to protect their feelings or emotions or
Speaker 1: their mindset or their So it's like, I think kids
Speaker 1: dealing with hard things is good because life is hard,
Speaker 1: or life is hard at times, and life is pressure
Speaker 1: and stress and life is all of that. But I
Speaker 1: know what you're saying, because there are actually some people
Speaker 1: who are really good at exams naturally, and other people
Speaker 1: who are really intelligent but just happen to crumble at time.
Speaker 1: So it's it's I don't know what the ideal model is, mate,
Speaker 1: but you do make a good point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I kind of I mean I wasn't. I
Speaker 2: mean I did okay with exams. I felt that I
Speaker 2: was actually not too bad with them. But I certainly
Speaker 2: had friends who, as you say, would crumble and just
Speaker 2: become a mess when put under that sort of sort
Speaker 2: of pressure, which wasn't indicative of their knowledge and skills anyway.
Speaker 2: But you're right, I guess it comes down to who
Speaker 2: do you want operating on you as they're tying off
Speaker 2: that last suture for that crucial operation. The person who
Speaker 2: you know, who got twenty in their exams of the
Speaker 2: person who got ninety five.
Speaker 1: Well, but how many people were shipped at school but
Speaker 1: they're brilliant? I mean, so many people fucking crashed out
Speaker 1: of school and you know I didn't, you know, finished
Speaker 1: at school a year nine or ten. But it's just
Speaker 1: not at all that they were done or not creative,
Speaker 1: or not brilliant or not even had a low IQ.
Speaker 1: They had a hot high IQ. It's just that that
Speaker 1: for some people. And we can't create one model that
Speaker 1: suits everyone, so we're not blaming anyone. But yeah, it's
Speaker 1: intelligence is a spectrum, not a single thing.
Speaker 2: And it's around pegan a square hole. You know, it
Speaker 2: just doesn't fit everybody. And I think, you know, our
Speaker 2: society is such that, you know, we can steer people
Speaker 2: to education and traditional education, but you know, people learn
Speaker 2: other ways. People are ways to take in information and
Speaker 2: process it. And I've met amazingly smart people who had
Speaker 2: very little traditional education. And you know, you hear these
Speaker 2: amazing stories. And there was a guy in India, young
Speaker 2: guy in India who was a mathematician and he was
Speaker 2: plucked out of his security and was like one of
Speaker 2: the smartest people on the planet. You know, how do
Speaker 2: you know that? How do you test for that? You know,
Speaker 2: it's so round.
Speaker 1: Well, hey, let's talk about cars. Come on, tell me
Speaker 1: something about cars.
Speaker 2: So there's Mercedes Benz is researching a solar paint. So
Speaker 2: what it means is, rather than just having panels, that
Speaker 2: you put the paint onto the vehicle, so in this
Speaker 2: case a car. And they're saying this is between five
Speaker 2: to ten years away, and what it could effectively mean
Speaker 2: is that a car. We talked about a company in Norway.
Speaker 2: Remember there was a startup in Norway that promised they
Speaker 2: were going to do a solar car that was able
Speaker 2: to charge the battery and you'd never you know, you
Speaker 2: get thousands of kilometers and it flopped unfortunately. But now
Speaker 2: they're saying that this is so it just kind of
Speaker 2: instead of just coating the roof and the bonnet, they're
Speaker 2: saying that you cover the entire car with this new
Speaker 2: solar paint, and it means that you've got such a
Speaker 2: big surface area you'll be able to use the solar
Speaker 2: paint to charge the vehicle at any point that there's sunlight.
Speaker 2: I mean that would be amazing, and I mean we're
Speaker 2: talking at this stage. You know, it would cover maybe
Speaker 2: thirty two kilometers a day, but for the little commutes
Speaker 2: to be able to trickle charge the car constantly would
Speaker 2: be phenomenal. Yeah, it's pretty pretty cool. I was thinking
Speaker 2: you could get a backpack, or you could paint your dog,
Speaker 2: your dog's coat, and then they.
Speaker 1: You could paint the top of your head and keep
Speaker 1: the whole house charged.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of coverage there. There's a lot of
Speaker 2: real estate. I should sell sign it shouldn't I we could, No,
Speaker 2: that's not nice.
Speaker 1: But I'm thinking about like, if you've got paint that
Speaker 1: is sola paint that can then the catch twenty two
Speaker 1: is then you've got to leave your car in the
Speaker 1: sun all the time, which fucks up the interior. I
Speaker 1: guess you could put one of those ugly silver things
Speaker 1: that my mum's got, one of those ugly silver screen
Speaker 1: things that you put across on top of the dash
Speaker 1: and inside the window.
Speaker 2: I have one of those two. Ah, but why.
Speaker 1: Doesn't that not surprise me? Nana? Tell us? What?
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, Wait a minute. So when you park somewhere, say.
Speaker 1: Can you get your voice down a couple of otive
Speaker 1: so I can respect you? Could you loosen your underpants
Speaker 1: and start again?
Speaker 2: Hey, you know I have a very impressive physical range.
Speaker 2: I'd like to tell you I can sing bo and bass. No, no,
Speaker 2: what I When you go out into like you go
Speaker 2: to park at Bunnings, there's no shade. Right, you're out
Speaker 2: of Bunnings, You've just spent an hour and a half
Speaker 2: doing all your shopping. You get back into the car
Speaker 2: and your ass sticks to the seat. Your hands are
Speaker 2: glued to the steering wheel because they've just been seared
Speaker 2: because it's a hot day. How do you protect yourself
Speaker 2: from that crago?
Speaker 1: Can I just say you've never been You've never been
Speaker 1: to Bunnings. You're talking about spotlight or something.
Speaker 2: Going to Bunnies today, you dick.
Speaker 1: What to get a sausage and then head home.
Speaker 2: I'm getting some sausage. What I'm Vegan. I'm not going
Speaker 2: to get a sausage from Vegan ones.
Speaker 1: Hey, tell us what Ford Australia are doing in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five.
Speaker 2: No, seriously, I'm defending every motorist in Australia has the
Speaker 2: silver foil thing.
Speaker 1: Look, I get the practicality, I get it all right.
Speaker 1: I'll give you a pass. I shall probably get one
Speaker 1: that I won't thing tip.
Speaker 2: Have you ever had one?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: I really? Is it just me? I'm the nana here.
Speaker 1: It's probably I could guarantee more than half hour listeners agoing. No,
Speaker 1: that's actually a good idea. Patrick's right, Craig, you're a
Speaker 1: fucking idiot, protectsper Craig, you're a dickhead. I think you're
Speaker 1: funny and not funny at all, and stop cutting Patrick off.
Speaker 2: Yeah there you go. Hey, you know this is a
Speaker 2: Tesla thing that always rubs me the wrong way where
Speaker 2: you buy a car but then you have to subscribe
Speaker 2: and pay for additional features. But Ford is now going
Speaker 2: to roll this out. Now what rubs me the wrong way?
Speaker 2: With this story. So they're saying that most Ford models,
Speaker 2: this is a story that I saw since the mid
Speaker 2: twenty twenties, will soon require owners to pay for some
Speaker 2: functions that are currently free. So they're going to backdate
Speaker 2: it so for the near news. So if you've got
Speaker 2: a car that's only a couple of years old, potentially
Speaker 2: you may have to start paying a subscription fee to
Speaker 2: accent to access certain features in navigation services and all
Speaker 2: that sort of stuff. So if you have in built
Speaker 2: navigation in your car, there's a potential that you may
Speaker 2: have to pay for that, and we're talking, you know,
Speaker 2: an annual fee of one hundred and ten bucks. But
Speaker 2: that's just another thing that you've got to pay on
Speaker 2: top of everything. And you know, as far as I'm concerned,
Speaker 2: when you buy your car, that's it. You know, whatever
Speaker 2: the rules were when you bought it. It's one thing
Speaker 2: to get into a contract and buy a car and
Speaker 2: know that there are features that may be locked out
Speaker 2: you've got to pay subscription for. But if you buy
Speaker 2: it and they backdate it and they say, oh, you,
Speaker 2: by the way, that car you bought two years ago,
Speaker 2: we've changed the rules and now you can't use your
Speaker 2: satellite navigation.
Speaker 1: That sounds like they've got a bunch of people in
Speaker 1: a boardroom and said, what's the worst fucking pr move
Speaker 1: we could make? Right? That's like, rather, if you want
Speaker 1: to make another hundred bucks, just put the car up
Speaker 1: by one hundred bucks. But don't because it's not even
Speaker 1: about the hundred bucks. Well it's a bit about that,
Speaker 1: but it's also about how dare you fucking do that.
Speaker 1: I'm not buying a Ford now, so stick your whatever,
Speaker 1: your search arge or your payball up your ass. I'm
Speaker 1: going to buy a Masda. It's like that tell us
Speaker 1: what we've been searching for on the interwebs, Patrick, what's yeah?
Speaker 2: Okay? So overall I always find this fun at the
Speaker 2: end of the year to see what people search for.
Speaker 2: And I mean, obviously the big, big, big one that
Speaker 2: was of interest to everybody in Australia as well as
Speaker 2: the rest of the world was the US election. So
Speaker 2: no question overall, the US election came out on top
Speaker 2: as far as Google searching for Australians over the last year.
Speaker 2: The Olympic medal telling that was really high euros. Liam Paine,
Speaker 2: I don't even know who Liam pain is. Anybody know
Speaker 2: who Liam Payne. It's no idea.
Speaker 1: Liam Payne wasn't wow he can you google LAMB Payne
Speaker 1: and just add to the tally, well, Taylor Swift.
Speaker 2: There's no kind of surprise there. But what when you
Speaker 2: break it down. I mean, obviously the election was one
Speaker 2: of the news events, and it's interesting that overall US
Speaker 2: election and medal tally and then news events U S
Speaker 2: election and medal tally, but there were other global figures.
Speaker 2: This is internationally Taylor Swift number one, and then for
Speaker 2: people and then Donald Trump, Kate Middleton, like Kamala Harris Craig.
Speaker 2: You're not even on the list. I looked.
Speaker 1: That's disappointing. Yeah, wow, I must be I must be
Speaker 1: number eleven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that could be. It recipes Jamie Oliver's air fryer recipes.
Speaker 2: Cucumber salad. How about cucumber salad.
Speaker 1: That's it's pretty it sounds like that sounds like a
Speaker 1: you thing at cucumber salad. Let's chuck some cow on it.
Speaker 1: Now you're talking.
Speaker 2: Now, This one I found really interesting. I know you're
Speaker 2: going to like this one because the most popular words searched,
Speaker 2: so people looking for definitions of words demure. Wow, demure.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you none of us are demure, but you
Speaker 1: know none of us.
Speaker 2: But how random is it that people were the most
Speaker 2: searched word? And the reason for it was that evidently
Speaker 2: a social influencer used the word to describe herself, and
Speaker 2: subsequently millions of people jumped on and started looking for
Speaker 2: the word the definition demure. Would you describe yourself as demure? Tiff?
Speaker 1: Yeah, get a tiff and I'm a wallflower. I can
Speaker 1: bench a fuck load and you should see me deadlift
Speaker 1: And what are you looking at?
Speaker 2: Yeah? What about?
Speaker 1: You're not like that anymore? Since she got back from India,
Speaker 1: she's all a lama and calm the farm and equanimity
Speaker 1: and fucking dreamcatchers and moccasins and give us a hug.
Speaker 1: She's she's new and improved. Speaking of the Delai Lama.
Speaker 4: This morning, when I was scrolling on instat I saw
Speaker 4: Johann Hari's real saying that he got fat shamed by
Speaker 4: the Delai Lama.
Speaker 1: That's hilarious.
Speaker 2: Can I say I have a connection with the Dalai Lama?
Speaker 2: You can say it were we were born on the
Speaker 2: same day and I have seen him once as I
Speaker 2: saw him at a conference he was pretty amazing. She's
Speaker 2: quite a cool guy. He's got a really cute giggle.
Speaker 2: Have you noticed that? If you've seen the Dalai Lama,
Speaker 2: if you ever seen any stuff.
Speaker 1: You and I saw him together.
Speaker 2: You dickhead with me at the Dalai Lama thing?
Speaker 1: Fuck and hell, you're the worst date ever.
Speaker 2: That was a long time ago.
Speaker 1: Did we held your hand the whole time? Especially in
Speaker 1: the scary bits when he looked into your soul?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 2: That was a long time ago. How many years agould
Speaker 2: that had been?
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I don't feel I don't feel
Speaker 1: special at all. Now, Wow, what was that movie? We
Speaker 1: saw that three D? What's it called again? Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we saw it was Oh the what was it?
Speaker 1: It's called you know those Blue People?
Speaker 2: You said it?
Speaker 4: I thought, why?
Speaker 1: So what a mix? We've seen the We've seen Avatar
Speaker 1: and the Dali Lama, not in the same day, battally
Speaker 1: in pain.
Speaker 3: It's the one direction singer that.
Speaker 1: Died for.
Speaker 2: I remember the name from somewhere, Okay, now I didn't ye,
Speaker 2: now I know? So what about di I Y? This
Speaker 2: is an interesting what do people most need help with
Speaker 2: when they do Google searching? Di Y car maintenance so
Speaker 2: people are still maintaining their cars. If you popped the
Speaker 2: bond on your new car, because you can't recognize anything
Speaker 2: under that bond, can you like, there's.
Speaker 1: I got no idea. When you turn on my car,
Speaker 1: there's no sound because it's hybrid, so you don't even
Speaker 1: know it's on. It's like is it on?
Speaker 2: See? You might find this hard to believe, but I've
Speaker 2: changed the spark plugs on my first car. I repaired
Speaker 2: my first car myself. Remember the front bumpers on old
Speaker 2: cars were.
Speaker 1: Actually hang on. Let's define I repaired, yeah, because that's
Speaker 1: come on, what does that mean?
Speaker 2: Okay? So I may have got into a little bit
Speaker 2: of an accident when I was nineteen. I was on
Speaker 2: tram tracks on Sydney Road. It was a wet day.
Speaker 2: Guy slams the brakes on in front of me and
Speaker 2: I was too close and I skid it into him.
Speaker 2: So but I couldn't afford the repair, so I did
Speaker 2: it myself. So I replaced the headlight myself, just bought
Speaker 2: a new headlight. I did the panel beating by myself.
Speaker 2: But the funniest thing was the panel beating wasn't that
Speaker 2: hard to kind of tap things out? I put a
Speaker 2: jack inside the because the car was a Mazda eight
Speaker 2: oh eight, so it had a little tiny engine but
Speaker 2: a really long body, so it meant that there was
Speaker 2: no mechanical damage. And so what I did was I
Speaker 2: put a plank of wood and the jack, and I
Speaker 2: jacked out the front of the car to push it
Speaker 2: back out again. But the best thing was remember the
Speaker 2: chrome bumper bars on Rudy, because my car was a
Speaker 2: nineteen to seventies mas to eight oh eight, and the
Speaker 2: chrome bumpers were solid, and it was so solid even
Speaker 2: though it had been buckled, I couldn't bend it back.
Speaker 2: So I put it over Dad's gas barbecue, got it
Speaker 2: red hot, and then tapped out and got it back
Speaker 2: into shape. So I did that myself. I think you
Speaker 2: should be proud of me.
Speaker 1: I would love to see a photo of the finished product.
Speaker 2: It survived for another six years after that. I might say,
Speaker 2: little mouse.
Speaker 1: Well, if I have a little fender bender, I definitely
Speaker 1: will not give you a call no, because they're plastic.
Speaker 2: It wouldn't matter. I just need a glue gun to
Speaker 2: put it back together again. I wouldn't need anything metal.
Speaker 2: So car maintenance was number one for DIY. The second
Speaker 2: one was DIY Halloween Costumes and then followed by how
Speaker 2: to make an Easter Buddy footprints.
Speaker 1: I would have thought high on the list would be DIY.
Speaker 1: Like medical, Yeah, I know, how to perform the CPR. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how to well, how to give yourself an appendectomy with
Speaker 1: a sewing kit and a Swiss Army knife and some gin.
Speaker 2: Travel. Do you know where people want to go the
Speaker 2: most in Australia if they live in where they want
Speaker 2: to go? Gold Coast? Cheap flights to the Gold Coast
Speaker 2: from Melbourne that was the most searched travel term, and
Speaker 2: then flights to King Island and then Jetstar cheap flights
Speaker 2: to Melbourne. Oh so people do want to come to Melbourne?
Speaker 2: They don't do they't just want to leave Melbourne.
Speaker 1: Do you know what's going to sell well in the
Speaker 1: Gold Coast?
Speaker 2: What's that?
Speaker 1: Solar paint cars?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, how good would that be? Or in Central Australia?
Speaker 1: Oh wow, imagine that? I think, all right, let's do
Speaker 1: one more. Let's do one more, mister host Well.
Speaker 2: Actually, one of the ones that I thought was interesting
Speaker 2: related to social media, and they talk about regularly posting
Speaker 2: on socials as opposed to just looking at socials can
Speaker 2: actually worsen the mental health in adults. So if you've
Speaker 2: been caught up in that kind of mailstream of have
Speaker 2: to post, got to give a status update, that now
Speaker 2: is being thought of as being having a real impact.
Speaker 2: So the Journal of Medical Internet Research, so they were
Speaker 2: investigating fifteen thousand adults in the United Kingdom all over
Speaker 2: the age of sixteen, and what they said was simply
Speaker 2: viewing social media content. Content didn't seem to have the
Speaker 2: same effect as regularly posting on social media. So if
Speaker 2: you fall into that category of someone who has to
Speaker 2: post what you're doing all the time, it actually may
Speaker 2: worsen your mental health. It could have a health implications
Speaker 2: if you feel the need to keep posting. I mean,
Speaker 2: do you guys post much on socials?
Speaker 4: Post every four and a half minutes?
Speaker 1: Oh really? Her life was fucking as public as you
Speaker 1: can get. I don't.
Speaker 4: Every time my dog changes position, I take a photo
Speaker 4: and post it.
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, I think I posted once this year, and
Speaker 2: that's post.
Speaker 1: I just post messages like whiteboards. I don't really go, hey,
Speaker 1: here's my breky. Sometimes I'll post something that I think
Speaker 1: might be like a personal thing that I think might
Speaker 1: be like my steps. I don't know if I told
Speaker 1: you this. Did I tell you that my phone this,
Speaker 1: Speaking of tech, my phone told me I was a fat,
Speaker 1: lazy fuck. Did I tell you if my phone literally
Speaker 1: sent me? In my phone, it literally sent me an
Speaker 1: alert telling me that I don't. Essentially, you're not walking
Speaker 1: much and you need to walk more. So I took
Speaker 1: that on board from my pocket coach, and yeah, I've
Speaker 1: gone from average under five thousand a day to average
Speaker 1: just under fifteen thousand a day. But it was funny
Speaker 1: because for me, and actually I did not realize how
Speaker 1: little I was working walking and generally I was walking
Speaker 1: more than that. But the last few months where I've
Speaker 1: been deep, balls deep as the kids say, or maybe
Speaker 1: the kids don't say that. Maybe that's me balls deep
Speaker 1: in my PhD and recording and reading. And I've been
Speaker 1: sitting down a lot. And yeah, like even this morning,
Speaker 1: I got up at quarter past five and I've walked
Speaker 1: five ks and it's eight twenty six right now. But
Speaker 1: it's been a I know this sounds weird, but one
Speaker 1: it was a really good catalyst. But it's been a
Speaker 1: game changer for me. But that's got nothing to do
Speaker 1: with tech.
Speaker 2: No, it has have everything to do with tech. What
Speaker 2: do you mean it was your phone? Your phone was.
Speaker 1: Telling well, I mean that my physiological response.
Speaker 2: But it can help prompt you know. It's not dissimilar
Speaker 2: to having the conversation with Ai like I did earlier
Speaker 2: in the show. It's that sense of not being alone,
Speaker 2: you know, can do all that sort of stuff. Although
Speaker 2: I've got to say this is quite funny. I was
Speaker 2: just in the middle of a Thai cheek class. I
Speaker 2: think I've been doing Tai chie for about forty five minutes,
Speaker 2: and my watch pinged me and said you need to
Speaker 2: get moving. It's like, what forty five minutes? You idiot?
Speaker 2: I think I was just so relaxed and my heart
Speaker 2: was so relaxed that it thought that I wasn't moving. Well,
Speaker 2: that's what Tai Chee's about, isn't It's a slow moving meditation.
Speaker 2: So yeah, idea not to end up with a sweat
Speaker 2: and panting at the end of it, but to feel
Speaker 2: relaxed and centered and mindful. See if when I was
Speaker 2: thinking about that, when Crago said before that, you know,
Speaker 2: you've become a slightly different person and you're more chilled
Speaker 2: and relaxed since going to India. It made me think
Speaker 2: that you and I could have hung out of this
Speaker 2: mindfulness seminar because I reckon you would got to lay
Speaker 2: out out of that it was good. I would just living. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love the idea of living in the moment for
Speaker 2: the moment, not letting anything else. And that's what Tai
Speaker 2: Cheek does for me. It's great because nothing else is
Speaker 2: in my head and I can just focus on what
Speaker 2: I'm doing. The thing that I got out of it
Speaker 2: was five minutes a day of mindfulness. Just five minutes
Speaker 2: a day is a real gift to yourself. Just you know,
Speaker 2: that's hectic lifestyle, Crago. You know you're getting up and
Speaker 2: walking and doing all that sort of stuff. But you
Speaker 2: use walking as a bit of a moving meditation, don't you.
Speaker 2: You kind of just in your zone.
Speaker 1: I do, I do, I do. It's funny we should
Speaker 1: talk about what because what for somebody will be a
Speaker 1: meditation for somebody else will be a source of anxiety.
Speaker 1: You know. So mate, tell people how they can connect
Speaker 1: with you and follow you.
Speaker 2: Oh sure, yeah, so you just need to go to
Speaker 2: websites now, dot com, dot au and just trying to
Speaker 2: check out what we do. I mean, obviously, websites now,
Speaker 2: dot com, dot you speaks for itself. But it's just
Speaker 2: too hard to spell Genesis FX because it's just a
Speaker 2: stupid name that I came up with before the Internet existed,
Speaker 2: and people can't spell it. So I had to come
Speaker 2: up with another name for our website. So websites Now
Speaker 2: kind of made sense, didn't it. Really? When you think
Speaker 2: about it, I think it.
Speaker 1: Was a good change. It was a good change. There's
Speaker 1: been quite a few businesses who have just changed their
Speaker 1: name and nothing else and their business catapulted.
Speaker 2: Really.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, do you remember Tara and Russ had a
Speaker 1: business in glen Huntley Road. It was called High Energy Network.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I did a lot, they did quite well.
Speaker 1: But then we had a meeting one day and they
Speaker 1: were talking about how to improve the business and I said,
Speaker 1: why don't you change the name to Australian Fitness Academy
Speaker 1: And they went ah, and they did that and just
Speaker 1: that double tripled, like interest inquiries, turnover bums on seats,
Speaker 1: because it explains straight away what it is versus you know,
Speaker 1: high Energy network. Fucking what is what does that even mean?
Speaker 1: So so the name matters mate, I'll got to go
Speaker 1: because we've got a thing. Thanks TIV, Thanks Patrick, thank
Speaker 1: you