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Speaker 1: Hi, my boris and this is straight talk my dad.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just an alcoholic. So I'd left home when

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Speaker 2: I was very young. I was fifteen when I started

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Speaker 2: taking speed that led to ecstasy coke and then injecting

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Speaker 2: it and then just turned into an absolute animal, basically

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Speaker 2: a drug eat. I ended up on Australia's Most Wanted,

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Speaker 2: living in an abandoned building at Camperdown, and then I

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Speaker 2: rang an next girlfriend. One day. She goes, you're not

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Speaker 2: in a bit of trouble. You're in a lot of trouble.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: I had contracts taken out on my life and all

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Speaker 2: these things. I said, what should I do? And she said, one,

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Speaker 2: don't you get into real estate. At the end, the

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Speaker 2: judge looks at me. She said, Matt, you should be

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Speaker 2: going to jail for quite a few years today, but

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Speaker 2: I see some good in it. I'm going to give

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Speaker 2: you a second chance. She said, if you come back

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Speaker 2: in again, you'll go away for half your life.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what happened.

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Speaker 2: I think an angel's intervened and then I never looked back.

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Speaker 2: I walked out of the courtroom and I rang Dino.

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Speaker 2: I'm still my best mate today, I said, Deane, I'm

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Speaker 2: going to make your promise. I'm going to become Australia's

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Speaker 2: number one agent and I've never stopped trying for that.

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Speaker 1: Wow, how do you stay so disiplined given that you

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Speaker 1: were so undisponed before?

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Speaker 2: Dang, you want it, you'll do it. Yeah, And it

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Speaker 2: starts just a little bit, a little bit, a little

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Speaker 2: bit little bit. But success comes the other way as well,

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Speaker 2: a little bit, a little bit little bit. It's a choice.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this way that way. So mate, welcome straight

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Speaker 1: to mate. Thanks mate, I've been following you. You're putting

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Speaker 1: up some pretty cool stuff.

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Speaker 2: I follow you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. It is a bromance already. So I get

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Speaker 1: I don't know where to start with this because you've

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Speaker 1: had a mad life for what I consider to be

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Speaker 1: a relatively speaking young man. Maybe you're from the Central Coast.

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Speaker 2: Now now, but you're originally.

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Speaker 1: You're a verboy, right, So let's go back to who

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Speaker 1: you were Rubra? Like, is your parents born here? You're

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Speaker 2: What's to do with my parents? From Rubra? And grew

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Speaker 2: up with sunny guy Kobe hab yep and then surf

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Speaker 2: there and then when I was seventeen a girl said

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Speaker 2: come into Oxford Street and come party in there. And

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Speaker 2: I'd been taking speed back then, but and then she came.

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Speaker 1: Out, how old are we talking?

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Speaker 2: I was like, well, I was fifteen when I started

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Speaker 2: taking speed. And then she said, come into Oxford Street

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Speaker 2: and I'll give you some ecstasy and I'm like, what's exally,

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Speaker 2: I haven't taken it. And then so we went in

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Speaker 2: and partied in best night ever. I never went back.

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Speaker 1: We never went back.

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Speaker 2: I never went back to.

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Speaker 1: The beach you went back to, but you know, I went.

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Speaker 2: I ended up in here, and then I ended up

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Speaker 2: becoming a bouncer, and then at Big Bloss and there

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Speaker 2: for quite a while and then just turned into an

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Speaker 1: And so that has like has it worked on Matt?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 1: I mean, it was, what are you folks saying? What

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Speaker 2: I'd left home when I was very young?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how were young?

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Speaker 2: Or when I was like just maybe just turned sixteen.

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Speaker 2: I've sort of lived in a place at Rubra with

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Speaker 2: some of the boys in this little flat and then, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I didn't speak to them for a long time.

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Speaker 1: They didn't speak to you. You didn't speak to them off

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Speaker 1: the rails. It was because you went off the rails.

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Speaker 1: Were you dirty on them?

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Speaker 2: No? I just didn't really gel with my dad. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's just an alcoholic so yeah, I didn't have much

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, brothers and sisters.

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Speaker 2: I had a sister. She killed herself and she's twenty seven.

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Speaker 1: Oh she was. She much older than you.

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Speaker 2: No, it's three years younger than me.

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Speaker 1: Three is younger than you. Yeah. Yeah, So obviously it's

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Speaker 1: So when you're so like my mum was all right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I haven't never been exposed this for that

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Speaker 2: It was all right, we just to steal bread from

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Speaker 1: Did you do that too, like we get love bread,

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Speaker 1: pull the guts out and that was after a surf.

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Speaker 1: So what attracted you? So I'm going to I guess

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Speaker 1: But what attracted you to surfing that? What does surfing

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Speaker 2: I think it was just a place to be. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: So before everybody got the bra boy tattoos and all

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Speaker 2: that sort of stuff, I left the beach. But you

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Speaker 2: know that everyone was together. There was like the older

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Speaker 2: the time, and two dollars would get you very far. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if you just park that, really it's not that unhealthy

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Speaker 1: not great because you've got no money, but you're shit.

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Speaker 1: But still you're leading a young man's life very active

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Speaker 2: You're sort of safe. Yeah, yeah, you're just doing your

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Speaker 2: It was the best? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're feeling chilled, everyone's cool, everyone's happy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're off the off the speed, so the speeds

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well I was never a big drinker, but yeah

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And so did you advance from there to anywhere else?

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Speaker 1: From did you go from ecstasy to anything else?

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Speaker 2: like one hundred and thirty kilos, So I was like, shit,

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Speaker 2: and I had zero discipline when it comes to that stuff.

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Speaker 2: Like the bigger you were, the more you stood out,

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Speaker 2: a bouncer or do whatever. And then yeah, but then

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Speaker 2: that led to you know, coke and then injecting it.

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Speaker 2: And then another girl along the way said do you

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Speaker 2: then then I just went down that path and ice

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Speaker 1: it anyway? Yeah? Whatever, yeah, anything that could get you

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I was never really like a stealer, Like, even

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Speaker 2: And where we're living anyway, Yeah, I just live with whatever.

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Speaker 2: I suppose I just like girls.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like what type of girl?

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Speaker 2: I was young, and I had no idea And is.

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Speaker 1: There a naivity for Matt Steinway at the top. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think I wanted to be wanted or a light

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Speaker 2: I just i'd just live at a girl's house for

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Speaker 2: and then just shift to the next one. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean you're a good looking dude, So I guess

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Speaker 1: you had no trouble for sort of being sort of

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Speaker 1: putting yourself in the position weekend to find a girl.

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Speaker 1: I was really shy though, Yeah, incredibly shy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the drugs covered that up. Yeah, the

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Speaker 2: drugs almost made me be, yeah, someone different. So I

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Speaker 2: used to just especially the speed, like I was injecting speed.

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Speaker 2: And then I used to like injecting speed more than coke.

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Speaker 2: But I do coke at the end of the weekend,

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Speaker 1: How old were you at this stage, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: Mate. I can't even tell you the amount of stuff

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Speaker 1: There's a level of naivity but also a level of curiosity,

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Speaker 1: But there's that nivity. Wherever it comes from, it doesn't matter,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's just it just felt like that's where

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Speaker 2: So Dino used to drop me to work, packed my

435
00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:45,560
Speaker 2: lunch few samiters, and I used to walk all day

436
00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:47,160
Speaker 2: every day from.

437
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,480
Speaker 1: Suburb Desto, knocking on doors just ask people if they'd

438
00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,120
Speaker 1: want to sell their house, like literally knock on someone's door.

439
00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just saying my market's map from coastal waters,

440
00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,800
Speaker 2: have you had any thoughts of selling your heart? And

441
00:20:58,800 --> 00:20:59,560
Speaker 2: that's what I used to do.

442
00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,399
Speaker 1: No training, no, no training.

443
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,840
Speaker 2: It was just her, this old guy and a receptionist

444
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,159
Speaker 2: in the office, and not much was going on. I

445
00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:09,959
Speaker 2: didn't know anything about real estate, but they had like

446
00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:13,560
Speaker 2: three listings in their filing cabinet. After about a year,

447
00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,159
Speaker 2: they had the filing cabinets full. Because I'd find a

448
00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,639
Speaker 2: lead and then I'd run all the way back to

449
00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,320
Speaker 2: the office. It might be half an hour, run all

450
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,720
Speaker 2: the way back get her. She'd go out and list

451
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,040
Speaker 2: the house, and I just keep doing nothing. But that

452
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:27,040
Speaker 2: taught me prospecting.

453
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the most important part of the real estate game.

454
00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 1: You've got to get listings. The real estate's stock in

455
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:37,359
Speaker 1: trade is a listing. It is. It's not a buyer,

456
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,680
Speaker 1: it's the seller. And that's the main thing and the

457
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:41,720
Speaker 1: only way you're going to get it. That's the hard way,

458
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:43,920
Speaker 1: that's right. Did you have to a real estate course?

459
00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:45,480
Speaker 2: I did, and it was right.

460
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:46,760
Speaker 1: At what point did you start doing that?

461
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,320
Speaker 2: Well? About a year later. So I got off at

462
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,679
Speaker 2: a job across the road, and then why did you

463
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 2: get off of a job, because I just was creating

464
00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,720
Speaker 2: this commotion in the town. It was such a sleepy town,

465
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:00,680
Speaker 2: was this guy?

466
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 1: So what was that commotion? What was the reputation? He created?

467
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 2: All these listings that were coming for this lady and

468
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,359
Speaker 2: no one really got on with her that well. And

469
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 2: then when I changed offices, that's when I caught the

470
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,679
Speaker 2: bus home one night. And then I was renting a

471
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 2: room off Karina's family friend, this old lady, and I

472
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:21,640
Speaker 2: got home and the home phone rang and Ray from

473
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 2: the fish and chip shop at Calney Vale. He was

474
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,959
Speaker 2: an ex heroin dealer from the Cross and you know

475
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,200
Speaker 2: when they're on Method and they're like, he goes, hey, Matt,

476
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,679
Speaker 2: it's Ray from the fish and chip shop, Like no

477
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 2: one had this number, nobody, And I was like, how

478
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:38,960
Speaker 2: did you even get this number? And he's like, don't

479
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 2: worry about that. He goes, You've just been on Australias

480
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 2: Most wanted. I'm just letting you know, and I'm like, oh, bucker.

481
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,240
Speaker 2: And then Karina's dad, the whole family were watching the

482
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,199
Speaker 2: show at home that night and then he runs to

483
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 2: the house and it's like we've got to talk, and

484
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,679
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, So that's what I went down. But

485
00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,639
Speaker 2: right then I was doing my real estate certificate as well.

486
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,160
Speaker 2: I didn't have it before, and you can't get one

487
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 2: with a criminal things, so I didn't have any criminal

488
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 2: things before that.

489
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 1: I had lots of problems, no divisions.

490
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I had all these warrants out and I

491
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:14,719
Speaker 2: was like, I don't even know if I can get

492
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 2: it because I was going to I had to go

493
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 2: to court then, and I remember the next day thinking

494
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,159
Speaker 2: I'll go to jail for shore today. Then I'm thinking, oh,

495
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,119
Speaker 2: what do I need to do in jail, preparing myself.

496
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 2: And I went to court and the old lady came

497
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,679
Speaker 2: and testified, and Karina's mum come and testified, and the

498
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:35,399
Speaker 2: judge at the end, the judge looks at me. She said, Matt,

499
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on today, but you should

500
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,159
Speaker 2: be going to jail for quite a few years today.

501
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:41,639
Speaker 2: And she said, but I see some good in you.

502
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 2: I'm going to give you a second chance. And I

503
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,919
Speaker 2: had to do community service, but she did it without

504
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 2: a conviction, a convision. She said, if you come back

505
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 2: in again, you'll go away for half your life. I

506
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,920
Speaker 2: don't know what happened. I think the Angel's intervened. Yeah,

507
00:23:57,960 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 2: and then I never looked back. I walked out of

508
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 2: the court room and I ring Dino, who I'm still

509
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 2: my best mate? Today, I said, Deane, I'm going to

510
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 2: make you a promise. I'm going to become Australia as

511
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 2: number one agent. And I never never stopped trying for that.

512
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,239
Speaker 1: So went across the road to the other agency. Did

513
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 1: you work for them? Are they one of the big

514
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 1: franchises or a real estates this morn and then but

515
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 1: I saw some rude that you worked with Macgra's.

516
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,360
Speaker 2: I do you do now? Yeah?

517
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: Okay, So take me through to how you got there?

518
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I went there. And then after a while I

519
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:28,919
Speaker 2: asked that guy there, I said, could I be a

520
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,639
Speaker 2: partner one day? It's just him and his son and

521
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 2: a receptionist. And he used to just tell like dirty

522
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 2: jokes all day at the door and smoke and his

523
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 2: name was John. That's all he used to do all day.

524
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 2: And I said, can I become a partner here one day?

525
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 2: And He's like nah, never, and I'm like okay, And that.

526
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 1: Did you know about your background. Everyone did, everyone in

527
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 1: the area. Of course there's a small area.

528
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had I had other agents going into houses saying,

529
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 2: do you know that guy's a criminal, don't list your

530
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 2: house with him, and all these things. I had a

531
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 2: lot of issues trying to get started. And then I

532
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,120
Speaker 2: remember going home on the bus again one night and

533
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 2: I thought, John's not interested in, you know, like me,

534
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 2: like helping become better. So I thought, I'm not going

535
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 2: to stay there. And I applied for a job and

536
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 2: another real estate, a bigger one down the road, and

537
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 2: they were the best ones. They called McLoughlin's and the

538
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 2: owner said, you can, but you can't start for two weeks.

539
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 2: But at this stage, Karina was pregnant, and I thought,

540
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 2: I can't not be a child yet. I thought, I

541
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 2: can't not work for two weeks. I don't have any

542
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 2: money so I've got a baby coming and things. So

543
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,360
Speaker 2: I went and applied for another job closer to Terrigle,

544
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,679
Speaker 2: like not that I knew much about Terrigle. And then

545
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 2: that guy gave me a job and that was good.

546
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 2: That went pretty well, and then Karina's dad said, one day,

547
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 2: you should go to Terrigle because that's the hub of

548
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:46,880
Speaker 2: the Central Coast. That's where all the great real estate

549
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 2: agents are. So I went and applied for a job.

550
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 2: And I was a Mormon back then, because Karina's family

551
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 2: were Mormons.

552
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: You became a Mormon, Yeah, I did, because they.

553
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 2: Sent her to Queensland to get her away from me

554
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 2: and said she doesn't marry on chicken, can't date people

555
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 2: on the outside.

556
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: Before after the baby, before before.

557
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then I thought, I won't bucket you. Then

558
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:10,360
Speaker 2: I'll become a Mormon, and so I did. And then

559
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 2: then her dad sort of accepted me and said go

560
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 2: work down there. But I went for a job at

561
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 2: Century twenty one, and I was a real hard worker,

562
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 2: like I'd work all day, four thirty in the morning

563
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 2: till eleven o'clock at night, and I'd handle liver letters.

564
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 2: I'd do everything myself, and I was just like a machine.

565
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 2: I had the nickname up there, called the Machine, because

566
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 2: I was just relentless. And the guy at Century twenty

567
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 2: one looked at me and said, I want to employ you,

568
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 2: but you can't work Sundays because that's the Sabbath. You'll

569
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 2: never make it in real estate if you're not going

570
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 2: to work Sundays. I said, well, I just can't, but

571
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 2: I work really hard for six days a week. He said,

572
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 2: I'm not going to employ you and you won't make it,

573
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,199
Speaker 2: and I said, okay, fair enough. So I went to

574
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 2: Hookers later and Hookers said, yeah, I'll give you a job.

575
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 2: So I was working in there. A few other things

576
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 2: happened than federal police come and rip me out of

577
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,239
Speaker 2: the office one day, and all I still had all

578
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 2: these things going on I was trying to deal with.

579
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 1: And then still were you still active in the criminal

580
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 1: world or nah?

581
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 2: But I just left it. I just I just didn't

582
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 2: handle things correctly people money and stuff like that.

583
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:09,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it just wasn't good.

584
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 2: And then I just one day the guy at Hookers,

585
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 2: who is still my main competitor today said something to me.

586
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 2: I had an idea, and I said, why don't you

587
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 2: do this, offer a guarantee that if anyone's ever unhappy,

588
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 2: they can get out of the agreement at any time.

589
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 2: It was a genmine idea, and I just heard it.

590
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 2: And he said, that's ridiculous. Everyone want to get out

591
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 2: of your agreements. They said, not if you do a

592
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 2: good job. And I walked out of there and I

593
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:36,400
Speaker 2: said to Jamie.

594
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: You're talking about a listing agreement.

595
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 2: I said, well, if you're doing a good job, why

596
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 2: would they want to get out? He said, that's an

597
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 2: effing ridiculous idea. I walked out and I said to Jamie,

598
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 2: who's my business partner today? Still? I said, why don't

599
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 2: we open our own office? And so we put everything

600
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 2: on the line and we had enough money to run

601
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 2: for eight weeks. Eight weeks were gone, and we made

602
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 2: our first sale after like two weeks, and then today

603
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 2: we have twelve McGrath offices.

604
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: You got twelve different franchises, yeah, dealer groups. Yeah, said

605
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: so why did you decide? Did you so? The very

606
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: first one then that was a McGrath That was rain

607
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 1: and Horn Rainhorn. Yeah, your very first franchise has called

608
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: random franchise was a Rainhorn franchise, yeah, which was Intrograle Interrogle, Yeah.

609
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, which was a good one. Like we it was

610
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 2: a good office, but we kept getting in trouble because

611
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 2: we were always like changing the marketing and things like this.

612
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 2: We wanted a bit more flexibility and I rang John

613
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 2: after our McGrath Jean McGrath, and I didn't know him

614
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 2: very well, but I sent him a video tape at

615
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 2: Claranei Vale and I said, oh, mister McGrath, you're the

616
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 2: king of real estate. Could I ever catch up with

617
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 2: you one one time? It was one minute video and

618
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 2: I put a note on it. It was actually Koreina's

619
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 2: mum gave me the idea to do it, and it said,

620
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 2: mister McGrath, this might This will take one minute and

621
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 2: fifty five seconds to watch and it could make a

622
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 2: wealth of difference to your life one day and possibly might.

623
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 2: And two weeks later he rang and said, can you

624
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 2: come have breakfast with me? That's the best piece of

625
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 2: marketing I've ever seen. Didn't have social media back then,

626
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 2: and then that breakfast meeting didn't lead to anything, but

627
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 2: it just helped me meeting like you today.

628
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: Well what period of life? How old are you now

629
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: at that sa fifty two?

630
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 2: Back then?

631
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, Like I can't remember late twenty seven

632
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: or something, late late twenties. Yeah, yeah, it's pretty ballsy

633
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: for a twenty seven year old because John was still

634
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: is the king.

635
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 2: But John was the king, he was like untouchable, like

636
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 2: in terms of it's probably like trying to get a

637
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 2: hold of you, like it's you know, it's like but

638
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 2: he did and good, really nice of him, and I

639
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 2: left the meeting. I left the breakfast and I thought,

640
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 2: he's just so normal, such a nice guy Jay. And

641
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 2: then I saw him at seminars and one day I

642
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 2: ended up speaking into seminar and he was speaking in

643
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 2: to seminar. And over the years I didn't really and

644
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 2: I always thought I'd love to work for macgral. One day, anyway,

645
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 2: I rang him and said, Johnny, can I work We

646
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 2: worked for you somehow. This is at the end of

647
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 2: our franchise agreement. He's like, Maddie, I don't know, Like,

648
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 2: why are you asking? Said our franchise agreements runner, and

649
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 2: we just want to be McGrath. We love McGrath. And

650
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 2: he said, let's make it happen. He goes, I'm years

651
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 2: away from franchising years and this is like twenty years.

652
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: Ago, so we hadn't started franchising even on his radar.

653
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: Was is this period like James dak period?

654
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 2: Yeah? He had nine offices. Yeah, John did, and he said,

655
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 2: I want to do it with you guys, And so

656
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 2: we worked on a handshake for two years. We didn't

657
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 2: have any people work and he could have just rang

658
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 2: any time and said no, it's not working and we

659
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 2: would have been stuffed. But it's been very good. We

660
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 2: got the first McGrath franchise and then just.

661
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: Where was that? And where are your twelve? Your twelve

662
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: mcgra so where are they now?

663
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 2: All up the coast up to that, we're just we

664
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 2: grew very slowly, so we had one for a long

665
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 2: time and then around and then now we're going to

666
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 2: the Hunter and part of Newcastle and all that sort

667
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 2: of stuff.

668
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: So you're from you from the Central Coast up to get.

669
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 2: It's gotten part of the bottom Pass part of Newcastle.

670
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: So between Central Coast and Newcastle territory. Yeah, and so

671
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: I guess you must have ridden the wave for a

672
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: place like Central Coast and Newcastle do because they become

673
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: so popular.

674
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 2: So popular in the GFC, it was really bad. Everyone left.

675
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 2: No one was so bad.

676
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that people want to want to get

677
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: up to those areas out of Sydney.

678
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 2: No, we almost went break. Wow, it's the scariest thing ever.

679
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 2: But I was like, someone's got to do well in

680
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 2: any market. So I remember thinking it so clearly, someone's

681
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 2: got to do well in any market. I just have

682
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 2: to become that guy. Yeah, and we sort of made

683
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 2: it happen, just yeah.

684
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: And do you think that given that you're sort of

685
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: living by the skin of your teeth during the GC period,

686
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: because I realized they've got fucked up, like property prices

687
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,959
Speaker 1: really got hammered, particularly in sort of it's called original

688
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: areas outside of the metro right, and because people coudn't

689
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: borrow money and all sorts of problems of a rose.

690
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: But the fact that you hang on by the skinny tooth?

691
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,959
Speaker 1: Can you do you think that your experiences as a

692
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: younger man, when you just live by the city of

693
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: pants all the time, do you think that actually helped you? Ye?

694
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: Nothing would fase you.

695
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 2: Nah, Like to have no food like when I was

696
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 2: living in camperdown in that abandoned workshop and that is

697
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 2: where I lived. And to have no food like, I

698
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 2: mean none, can't get I didn't have ID, you couldn't

699
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 2: get nothing to doll And I remember ringing a guy

700
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 2: once and said, I just I'm starving. Can you just

701
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 2: bring anything? He brought me some vegiemte and bread Like

702
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 2: that's worst case scenario for me. But I've always thought

703
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 2: if I just lost everything, Like through the GFC, I

704
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 2: just get a little motor home and I'd put a

705
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 2: my grass sign on the side, and I'd park it

706
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 2: at the Haven, which is a little car park there,

707
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 2: and I'd start again. Yeah.

708
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's that's interesting because in some respects, having

709
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: experienced what you experienced before you was before we into

710
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: real estate, that actually become an advantage for you because

711
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: nothing can be as bad.

712
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 2: Nah, It's like COVID, all that stuff I just put

713
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 2: like everything got shut down, and I'm like, no, I

714
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 2: just get I get like, not stronger, but I get

715
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 2: more focused.

716
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: Did you think though, do you think also that and

717
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: I love to know about this, do you think also

718
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: that you can think to yourself, I'll be able to

719
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: outsurvive everybody else because these other people haven't been through

720
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: that process yet, Like COVID have been closed down initially. Anyway, GFC,

721
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: everything did close now for quite a while, Like in

722
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: terms of original areas where you were. Is it a

723
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: matter of I mean, this is affecting everybody, so I

724
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: can outsurvive. All I have to do is out survive everybody.

725
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: Then I can sort of get a better foothold.

726
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 2: The sun always shines again. Yeah, it does. You just

727
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 2: got to get there.

728
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: What's the difference between some of you who takes after

729
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: all that, let's call it traumatic post PTSD to some extent,

730
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: you probably did suffer a form of PTSD. You probably

731
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: still do a little bit. What's the difference between someone

732
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: who takes in your case, someone take can take a

733
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: positive view, or someone just says.

734
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 2: Fuck it.

735
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: I feel I'm filthy on the world, I can't get

736
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: off the mat, and I'm just going to win your complain.

737
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 2: I think it takes practice, like a muscle, same as

738
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 2: a gym. Law of attraction helped me a lot management

739
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 2: of energy and focus and vibration.

740
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 1: Can you explain it with me a lot?

741
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 2: So I've listened to Esther Hicks for twenty years now

742
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 2: and explain Ester Hicks channels consciousness right, and she talks

743
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 2: about the law of attraction and what you focus on.

744
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 2: But when you focus on something, it creates an emotion.

745
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 2: So your emotions are actually guiding you. I think about

746
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 2: that a lot. So when you're worried or anxious or angry,

747
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 2: you're at the lower end of the vibrational scale. You're

748
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 2: not going to attract what you want. You're going to

749
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 2: attract things. You're always attracting things, but you're not going

750
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 2: to attract the outcomes that you want. But when you're excited,

751
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 2: so excited is right at the top of the scale

752
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 2: appreciating like pumped content. When you're up there, watch what happens,

753
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 2: and you become an observer of your own life. So

754
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 2: when you're in that zone, things just flow. Like on

755
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 2: the way down here, I was just driving one hundred

756
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 2: k's and one hundred k's behind somebody else. People are

757
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,919
Speaker 2: darting in and out. I'm just cruising on down, listen

758
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 2: to high vibrational music, and things just go easy. Got

759
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 2: a good park when I pucked in. When I went

760
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 2: in the car park, things walking here. Someone comes up

761
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 2: and goes, oh, you're MAT's stone mate, blah blah blah blah.

762
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 2: It just things just flow. So now I'm more interested

763
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 2: in that flow state than I am anything else.

764
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: That's really interesting because I was funny, you should say,

765
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: because I was only reading something this morning about epigenetic studies,

766
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: the genes we can turn on and often, and the

767
00:35:55,360 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 1: suggestion by this epigenetics expert was that if we have

768
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: a certain state of mind, we can actually manipulate our

769
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 1: own genetics through epigenetics. In other words, turn on and

770
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,760
Speaker 1: perhaps it can turn off, but turn on those genetic

771
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: signaling that maybe needed to be cancer, turn on the

772
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: genetic signaling that may mean that I don't get cancer,

773
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:25,280
Speaker 1: or turn on that epigenetic signaling in my genetic code

774
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:30,280
Speaker 1: that allows me to perhaps go run one hundred kilometers

775
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: one hundred like like someone like me, you know, like

776
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: because because I think what happens and may be just

777
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:39,919
Speaker 1: to hear, because I know you talk a lot about health,

778
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: et cetera. And I've seen some of your stuff, I think,

779
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: and it's a bit of what you do as a

780
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 1: real estate guy. But you and I sort of going

781
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,240
Speaker 1: into territory, which not that one of us are experts,

782
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: but nonetheless we're going we don't have to be an experts,

783
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: and we can have a deep interest in it. Though totally,

784
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: I think to myself, when I can only speak for men,

785
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 1: I can't speak for women because I'm a bloke. I

786
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: don't know how women think. But when a man reaches

787
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: a certain age, we're conditioned to think that we've got

788
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 1: to retire at sixty five, and we're going to put

789
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: down our tools, and we're going to get what we deserve. Relax,

790
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: do nothing, play golf, walking around the golf course. And

791
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with walking around the golf course. Don't

792
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 1: make it wrong, but but have a couple of beers,

793
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,720
Speaker 1: travel a fair bit, sit a lot, watch the footy,

794
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: maybe hang out with the grand kids. We've got grandkids.

795
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: That type of life. And I often wonder whether or

796
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,439
Speaker 1: not that actually turns things off, and that I'm actually

797
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: putting myself in a state of mind or a state

798
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: of something, state of being that he's actually going to

799
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: down psychle on my genetics to actually put myself in

800
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 1: a position where I'm going to die in the next

801
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: twenty years.

802
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 2: Of course, you're in the landing a landing phase.

803
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: Correct, as opposed to saying, fuck it, I'm going to

804
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 1: go and run. I'm going to do a three k

805
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: run tomorrow, I'm going to do a five k run

806
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: at the end of the week. And I'm going to

807
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: build myself and I'm going to go and do one

808
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 1: hundred laps with Ned Brockman, that type of thing, and

809
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,919
Speaker 1: actually turn my genetics on to become a worry because

810
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,240
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes this sounds a bit stupid. But sometimes

811
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: I'm getting a bit fanciful now. But sometimes you see

812
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: these you know, these movies or these series Vikings and

813
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 1: shit like that, and you see those old guys, old Vikings,

814
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: you know, but built guys, massive, big swords or clubs.

815
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,240
Speaker 1: What it is, I don't know how, but the relative

816
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: to all the other vikings, they're older guys, but they're

817
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: going to war, they're going to battle. And my imagination is,

818
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened then, but my imagination is

819
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 1: there would have been guys who just the whole life

820
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: would have been battles and they turned the repigionatics on

821
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 1: and kept it on to be in battle mode the

822
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: whole time. Yeah, And I just wanted to myself, I

823
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: wonder if there's some truth in that. I mean, I

824
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: don't know if anyone's ever going to test it scientifically,

825
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: but some truth. And what do you think about that

826
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: sort of process that that process of thinking, it's not

827
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: just positive, it's actually more than positive thinking is turning

828
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: something on it.

829
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:31,280
Speaker 2: It's learning to operate in that state. Like it's a choice, Absolutely,

830
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 2: it's a choice. I can focus on the argument I

831
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 2: had yesterday or the opportunity coming today. I can be

832
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 2: excited about today regardless of the position you're in. And

833
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 2: by the way, the position you're in, you're attracted it anyway,

834
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 2: So just accept it, yeah, and then say what are

835
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 2: you going to do about it? Next step? Next step,

836
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 2: next step. And that's sort of what I look at

837
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 2: now just a day, like I just what am I

838
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 2: going to do right now today? Like last night I

839
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 2: just did sixty minutes. I'm the standmaster because I have

840
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 2: a sauna, ice bath every night, red light bed in

841
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 2: the mornings, all these things. A it all set up

842
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 2: because you know, I want to follow you and project

843
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 2: one hundred and then things like that. But it takes

844
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 2: a lot of effort. It takes a lot of research.

845
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 2: I was talking about epigenetics on the way down in

846
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 2: the car to Mike the pod Man, So I have

847
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 2: two experts that helped me along the way, Mike the

848
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 2: pod Man and Tommy the nutritionists. And yeah, and you've

849
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 2: got to see it as are you in a takeoff

850
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 2: like at fifty two. I'm just seeing myself as getting

851
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 2: started now, like I feel experienced. I feel like, you know,

852
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 2: I sort of get this thing now. Now what I'm

853
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 2: going to do with it? You know, not at the time.

854
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 2: Is age is irrelevant in a way. Now Mick has

855
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 2: this great saying seventy years healthy, No, seventy years young,

856
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,399
Speaker 2: one hundred and ten years healthy, great saying. But that's

857
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 2: what I'm programming my mind with. We're nothing more than

858
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 2: a machine. Mark, we are nothing more than a machine.

859
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,240
Speaker 2: You see some of those cars out there and people,

860
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 2: but you look at some of the cars. The most

861
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,439
Speaker 2: best cars are the ones that have been taken care

862
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 2: of and they've got, you know, some vintage about them.

863
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 2: They're just like inspiring and people in the world. Look

864
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 2: how many people in their fifties and sixties and seventies

865
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 2: and eighties and are at the top of their game?

866
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:11,479
Speaker 2: How many?

867
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, not that many, Not many, because it.

868
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,399
Speaker 2: Takes a lot of work and focus gut health. If

869
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 2: your gut health is not right, forget about it. You

870
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 2: forget about it. You'll never run an optimum.

871
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: Do you think you're pretty much the opposite today to

872
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: what you were in your twenties? Yeah, totally, like diametrically opposed. Yeah,

873
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: completely the opposite.

874
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 2: I started rebuilding myself. I went to the doctors at

875
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 2: forty three, and I knew I was going to get sick.

876
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 2: I worked so hard. I overworked twenty years running pedal

877
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 2: down Gone. I was ninety three kilos. I looked like

878
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 2: I literally looked like I had a disease of some sort.

879
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 2: I was in non open house and a guy come

880
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 2: up and said, are you all right? You don't look

881
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 2: very well, and I'm like, well, surfing and things. Back then,

882
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 2: I thought I was doing all right, but I knew

883
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 2: nothing about gut health nothing. I went to the doctors.

884
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 2: He said, your quarters all through the roof. You've got

885
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 2: no testosterone. I had no sextra, and he goes, you

886
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 2: got to fix it. So I went on that journey.

887
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 2: I literally walked out and went, now I'm going to

888
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 2: rebuild myself. And so I started to learn about testosterone,

889
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 2: gut health, microbiome, the whole thing. And I've over the

890
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 2: last ten years almost I've rebuilt a new person.

891
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: Well, tell me some of the things you've done well.

892
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 2: Take testosterone for a start, and go and see a

893
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 2: sports doctor and talk to them about it. A train

894
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 2: like I have a morning routine that I stick to

895
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 2: every day, ice, bath, red light, bed breathing, you know

896
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 2: that sort of stuff. Every day starts like that. I've

897
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 2: got an express version. I've got a longer one, and

898
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 2: I see it like a plane trip. The morning is

899
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 2: the takeoff, and then the day is cruising at an

900
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 2: altitude you want full maximum energy to perform in the day,

901
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 2: and then at night, I've got a landing routine and

902
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 2: I just stick to that every day. I don't eat

903
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 2: anything that's outside of my meal plan been designed to

904
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 2: match my bloods.

905
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,399
Speaker 1: You don't do it, you don't eat it. You do

906
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 1: not need anything that does not match your bloods.

907
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 2: No, nothing, A supplement for any deficiencies, whatever my bloods

908
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 2: need at that time. I get my bloods done every

909
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 2: three or four months, and then but Tommy the nutritionist

910
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 2: spends four days putting my meal planned together, and the

911
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 2: next one and the next one. So I'm rebuilding myself

912
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 2: as I go based on what my body needs. I'll

913
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 2: never eat anything else outside of that.

914
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: How do you stay so disciplined given that you were

915
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: so undispwlined before?

916
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 2: Because I want it. I have a saying you want it,

917
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 2: You'll do it, Yeah.

918
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,399
Speaker 1: But what drives you to want it so much?

919
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 2: I mean, because I see the potential that we have here.

920
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 2: I see the potential now in life. I was running

921
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 2: around blind before. You know, all this stuff, inflammation like this,

922
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 2: inflammation that's caused by alcohol, by diet, by stress, by this.

923
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 2: And that doesn't mean I don't have stress. I just

924
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 2: manage it. That's what the morning routine is and the

925
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 2: night routine. I see it as a block of time

926
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 2: in the day. That's all I focus on. Next week

927
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 2: is irrelevant, not hear it. So I don't even think

928
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 2: about those things. I think about what am I going

929
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 2: to do today?

930
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 1: Sleep?

931
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 2: You know, temperature controlled room, Go to bed at eight

932
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 2: thirty every night on the dot, don't eat after six o'clock.

933
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 2: You do all this, I know you do. I watch

934
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 2: you and then I'd never wake up with an alarm clock.

935
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 2: But your body wakes up when it's ready.

936
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: You know.

937
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 2: I've got a new puppet the moment, a German shepherd,

938
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 2: so I've got to fit her in there somewhere. But

939
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 2: you get in this sink of life, you know, and

940
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 2: life starts to really work with a rhythm. When you're

941
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 2: working with a rhythm.

942
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:33,760
Speaker 1: What about booze?

943
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 2: What about it?

944
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: Do you drink?

945
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 2: No? Nothing, never, no way kill you. It's poison. What

946
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,439
Speaker 2: are you talking about? Yeah? I know when I say

947
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 2: not you what are you talking about? But think about it.

948
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,240
Speaker 2: When you got a cut with infection, they put alcohol

949
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 2: on it. Your gut microbiome runs your entire everything. If

950
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 2: that's out, you're going to have problems. You drink alcohol,

951
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 2: it's killing your microbiome. You might feel good and wobbly

952
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 2: for a few minutes, Who cares. I want to wake

953
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 2: up the next day with the highest frequency possible, full

954
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 2: energy charge like your phone, which we're worry more about

955
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 2: charging our phones than we do ourselves. You know, No

956
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 2: wonder people need a nap in the two o'clock. I

957
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 2: used to have two naps today. I used to take

958
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 2: pre workout. I used to drink energy drinks, all of

959
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 2: this stuff. I wouldn't touch those things. They're destroying you.

960
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 2: I don't need it now, I don't. I wouldn't take

961
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 2: a nap. I don't even know what to do with

962
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 2: all my energy now because I've rebuilt everything that's going

963
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 2: on in here. My body is working in like harmony.

964
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:41,800
Speaker 1: Now, what's to explain the vibration stuff? Like? So, yeah,

965
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 1: I presume what you're talking about is energy energy, Yeah,

966
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: but explain the vibration dash energy sort of frequent connections. Yeah,

967
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 1: how's that's working.

968
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 2: So when you think a thought, you create an emotion.

969
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 2: So if you think about one of your sons, how

970
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 2: do you feel, I feel.

971
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 1: Like how I feel about my son? I feel like

972
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 1: I love them, I care for them, my mint care.

973
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 2: See the emotion of the words you use it when

974
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:10,959
Speaker 2: I think about the deal that fell over last week, filthy, wealthy, right,

975
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 2: exactly like that. So when you focus on something you

976
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,240
Speaker 2: think of thought, it goes to an emotion. Your emotion

977
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 2: radiates a frequency or vibration. That vibration goes out to

978
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 2: the universe and it's answered every time. Once you think

979
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 2: of it, think of something for sixteen seconds, it gets momentum.

980
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 2: The more you think about it, the more on that subject,

981
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 2: the more momentum it gets, and it's somewhere you're This

982
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 2: is why being in a clear state so important, because

983
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 2: you'll get a prompting the videotape to John McGrath something

984
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 2: along the way, call that person, turn left here, do this.

985
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 2: It's not big wins. I'm not talking about, you know,

986
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 2: a million dollars falling out of the sky, because you

987
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 2: what that could happen. It's the little things that you

988
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 2: hear that you need to listen to that will guide

989
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 2: you to the next thing, the next thing, the next thing,

990
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden you've got this amazing flow

991
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 2: going on because your vibration is attracting these opportunities. Think

992
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 2: about when you run race out of the house with

993
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 2: a coffee in your hand, bit a toast in your mouth,

994
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 2: and you're rushed trying to like get you know, in

995
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 2: the car and running late. What happens? It's flat tire,

996
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 2: coffee spills and book Ye're booked, you get booked. You watch.

997
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 2: You've got to become an observer, an observer of your life.

998
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 2: Once you do that, take a step back. So how

999
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 2: do I feel and this happened? How do I feel?

1000
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 2: And this happened? Once you click onto that, you never

1001
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 2: want to feel bad. You don't want to get angry

1002
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 2: when Tara and my wife gets you know, everyone's annoying.

1003
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 2: At some point. I'm the first one to say no.

1004
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 2: She knows, I'm the first one to say sorry. Two

1005
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 2: seconds I'm in there going look sorry about that. Even

1006
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 2: if I didn't do it anything, you know, I could

1007
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 2: be an a freaking idiot. Who does she think she is?

1008
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 2: It's not worth it, Mart, It's not worth the day

1009
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 2: of fracturedness and the washing machine that that will bring.

1010
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's you're right, nothing is worth drama. What

1011
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: about your personally, So you're married that third third wife? Yeah,

1012
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 1: three times married kids about seven seven kids? Seven kids?

1013
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 2: Yeah? I got seven. Yeah, so I've got boys or

1014
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 2: girls four to Karina, three girls and four boys.

1015
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: So you have four children to Korea. Who is your

1016
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: first wife? And then Tara's one?

1017
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 2: Then SHELLEYE is my second wife.

1018
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: Shelley is your second wife.

1019
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 2: I've got two to her, Flora and six, thirteen and eleven,

1020
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 2: and I've got one summer.

1021
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: She's one, and that's two Tara Tara right, so and okay,

1022
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: so just hm. Some people say I would never say

1023
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: because I'm in the same position, but someone will say, well,

1024
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: that's sucked up. You know you're responsible or whatever. How

1025
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: do you realize were you? Do you think it's your responsible?

1026
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 2: You have no idea? Wasn't yeah probably.

1027
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe maybe fault my fault or maybe I was

1028
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 1: at fault. Maybe you're saying you're a fault, but it's

1029
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 1: not fucked up because it shit happens.

1030
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 2: I just I just didn't. Yeah, I just thought I

1031
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 2: was probably looking for security. I was looking for a home.

1032
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 2: I thought, that's what. I don't know, it just all

1033
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 2: sort of happened along the way, and that was life.

1034
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,439
Speaker 2: And then I'm like, well, I don't even like being here.

1035
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 2: And you know, back then getting divorced, you know, like

1036
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 2: divorce is very difficult. Yeah, it's very difficult, and it's

1037
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 2: but I've learned a lot and I've had a lot

1038
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 2: of things happen, and it's allowed me to understand myself better.

1039
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 2: So I'm a way better husband than a person today

1040
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:46,280
Speaker 2: than I was when I was thirty.

1041
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 1: But do you put it down to I said it

1042
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: in Naivy do before. It took me a long time

1043
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: to mature, And I don't ask me. I just took

1044
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: me a long time to mature as a person, as

1045
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 1: a man. And I want to say a long time.

1046
00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: I don't mean twenty, I don't mean thirty. I don't

1047
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: mean forty. Probably knowed me fifty. It's taken me beyond

1048
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 1: that too mature. And sometimes, you know, I wonder whether

1049
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: I was irresponsible. I was just immature, and I can't

1050
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 1: you know, maybe I was just one of those people.

1051
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 1: I take a long time to work it shit out.

1052
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:19,439
Speaker 1: Maybe that's the reason when I say no, even maybe

1053
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: I'm not that observant. I wasn't observant of other people enough.

1054
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 1: I think maybe you've gone through do you would you

1055
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: say the same thing.

1056
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 2: He's still pretty self absorbed. Yeah, but it keeps me steady. Yeah,

1057
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 2: it keeps me mentally steady.

1058
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,320
Speaker 1: It's self absorbed. Is it can sound like a bad word.

1059
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: It sounds like a little bit selfish, or yes, it

1060
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 1: self absorbed is a good word, but also allowed. That's

1061
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,399
Speaker 1: one of the reason why you can be successful, because

1062
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: you've got to be really focused and self absorbed and focused.

1063
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: I think of the same thing. I mean, I don't

1064
00:50:56,120 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 1: know whether you can be unselfish and be successful. And

1065
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: I don't mean it in a bad way.

1066
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't.

1067
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 1: I'm not saying to anyone listening. I'm not saying be

1068
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,240
Speaker 1: selfish and or if you're unselfish you're going to be success.

1069
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: I don't mean that. But I think in some people's

1070
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,760
Speaker 1: cases it helps to be self absorbed to be focused.

1071
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 2: I think so, like, and I've learned a lot, you know,

1072
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 2: with kids and things. And then I said to Tara

1073
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 2: when we were getting married, like, I'm really good in

1074
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 2: some parts and I'm not that great in other parts,

1075
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:28,399
Speaker 2: and she's like, no, I've got to cover it at home.

1076
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:32,240
Speaker 2: And if you know, if I knew she'd she's younger.

1077
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 2: So she's twenty two years younger, and I knew she'd have.

1078
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,800
Speaker 2: Everyone said, don't marry younger girls, you want to have kids,

1079
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 2: and you know, and you know, but she's got home covered.

1080
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 2: But I like providing and I like making life as

1081
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 2: good as I can for everybody, more traditional style, I think. So, yeah,

1082
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 2: it just seems to work.

1083
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: How do the other kids feel? How do you manage

1084
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: that process?

1085
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 2: They all get along pretty good. Obviously. I had an

1086
00:51:56,320 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 2: issue with one of the kids recently that was, you know,

1087
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:00,839
Speaker 2: you know.

1088
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:01,919
Speaker 1: What was his shoe?

1089
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 2: Logan killed himself. I'm sorry, that's right?

1090
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:08,280
Speaker 1: Is here from your first wife? Yeah?

1091
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that.

1092
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 1: Was Was he in the drugs or was it?

1093
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 2: Yeah? He just he was a really good surfer and

1094
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 2: then he you know, I spent his whole life on

1095
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 2: the beach with him, and and he got to seventeen,

1096
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 2: got a car, COVID came as well, and he sort

1097
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 2: of lost the comp thing, you know.

1098
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: Was the competitive He couldn't compete anymore. Yet Yeah, he

1099
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: sort of.

1100
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 2: Lost his way a bit, and then I think drinking

1101
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 2: drugs and you know what teenagers do.

1102
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, did you lose touch with him during that period? Yeah?

1103
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 2: So his older brother, Jackson, who you met today, Jackson

1104
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 2: was the camera. Yeah, so he went down the same

1105
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 2: path and we didn't talk for a while because I

1106
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 2: said to him, I don't want the bull crap like

1107
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 2: the liars and this and that, and whether that was

1108
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 2: right or wrong or I don't know. And he went out.

1109
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 2: He actually worked for me back then, and I I

1110
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 2: sacked him and I just can't deal with you like this,

1111
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 2: you know, and you're just going to just be straight

1112
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 2: up with things. And then so he went out. He

1113
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 2: got a job door knocking and selling window shutters and things,

1114
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 2: probably good thing. And then he rang me like probably

1115
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:19,359
Speaker 2: two years later, you know, can we can we chat?

1116
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 2: It's not that I didn't contact them, it's just that

1117
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 2: it was very sparingly because he was he was not interested.

1118
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,879
Speaker 2: You know, men get to that, some young men get

1119
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:31,240
Speaker 2: to that. I just want to do life their way basically, Yeah, totally.

1120
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 1: I mean it just so you're the son Logan. I

1121
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 1: just was just thinking myself and I shouldn't be thinking this,

1122
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 1: but I was seeing myself. Well, my boys are much

1123
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 1: old now, but like I've got through those stages. But yeah,

1124
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 1: I thought to myself, would I start to reflect on

1125
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 1: myself and maybe feelings are guilt? Yeah?

1126
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 2: I did?

1127
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 1: What do you feel? Yeah?

1128
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 2: How? How?

1129
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: How recently? How long ago? Was only a year ago?

1130
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 2: Okay?

1131
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 1: Yeah that's that's that's raw. So yeah, how do you

1132
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: deal with it?

1133
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 2: Do you?

1134
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 1: What do you do to manage it?

1135
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 2: I don't know. I actually don't know.

1136
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 1: What do you do? Is it a day day thing?

1137
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:12,959
Speaker 1: You just deal with it today or tomorrow. Whenever someone

1138
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 1: raises it or it gets raised in your mind. You

1139
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: have a memory of him.

1140
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 2: It's the weirdest thing, you know. I spent every day

1141
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 2: with him, every day surfing, and then we didn't talk

1142
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:23,359
Speaker 2: for about a year.

1143
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 1: And do you have an argument?

1144
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 2: I just I don't know. It just wasn't he lived

1145
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 2: with He lived with me, and and then him and

1146
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 2: his brother live with me, and it just after a

1147
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 2: while we just handed up. I don't know. I just

1148
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 2: wanted to do life the way you wanted to do it.

1149
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 1: Is he similar to you?

1150
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 2: Yeah? I saw a lot of myself in him. And

1151
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 2: I think I just let him. I was hoping you

1152
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 2: just find his wall. What was fighting people is doing?

1153
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 2: I don't know. I just don't know. I don't Then

1154
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 2: he went to live at his nand's like when he

1155
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 2: was like eighteen, and I said, to his name, and

1156
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 2: don't let him live there, like she's a great person

1157
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 2: and stuff, but he needs he needs to be with me,

1158
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,959
Speaker 2: like he needs you know. That was just my point

1159
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:15,359
Speaker 2: of view. But he wanted to do what he wanted

1160
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 2: to do, so he sort of stopped serving so much

1161
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 2: and then he just went down that path and one

1162
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:23,240
Speaker 2: day he hung himself.

1163
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 1: Oh that's not a good way to go. Yeah, I'm

1164
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,359
Speaker 1: sorry to hear that. How do the other kids take it?

1165
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:31,760
Speaker 2: They're still they're still limping.

1166
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I'm sorry here, but that's uh. You have

1167
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 1: seven children anyway, you still have seven children on one's

1168
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 1: no longer on the planet. But he's a been nonetheless,

1169
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 1: maybe he's a peace anyway. Yeah maybe if he might

1170
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 1: not have been at piece before, but now he's maybe

1171
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: he's a piece. If I could just maybe turn the

1172
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,879
Speaker 1: page a bit and get on to what you're doing

1173
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: at my grass now, Yeah, you're you're do you train salespeople.

1174
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 2: Not really so in my gras in.

1175
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 1: Your own business I'm talking about yeah.

1176
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 2: Sort of, not really. I just I like have it.

1177
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 2: I have like a personal team.

1178
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 1: People, Well do you are.

1179
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 2: To me a lot of the time, because you know,

1180
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 2: probably similar to yourself, like you're in your world, you're

1181
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 2: you know, you're you, and people know me in the

1182
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 2: real estate world. But my business partner runs the whole business, right, don't.

1183
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 2: I'm a not a very good business person, but I'm

1184
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 2: great salesperson and.

1185
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 1: Still getting listings. You mean as in getting listings.

1186
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I list and sell every day. So my

1187
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 2: business partner is probably one of the best business guys.

1188
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: I've ever met in terms of running the business.

1189
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's great. I don't get in his way, he

1190
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:50,839
Speaker 2: doesn't get in mind. Yeah, exactly, And I think that's

1191
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 2: a skill that a lot of people need to understand.

1192
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 2: Totally funny. It might be the same in the breaking business.

1193
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 2: But you know, a salesperson makes a few sales, has

1194
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 2: a good year or two or three, and they all

1195
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 2: want to own an office. I say, they don't. Just don't,

1196
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:06,760
Speaker 2: like literally, just don't unless you're you or you're John McGrath.

1197
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 2: Don't do it because it's a skill in itself.

1198
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 1: And between a real being a good real estate salesman

1199
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: as opposed to running the business of a real estate Absolutely,

1200
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 1: they're different things.

1201
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. Like I couldn't read a prophet and

1202
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 2: lost if I had to save myself. Like I just

1203
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 2: can't do it. And but I don't want to do

1204
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 2: it either. And Jamie loves it. It's like watching porn

1205
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:30,439
Speaker 2: for him.

1206
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, he just loves it.

1207
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 2: And I'm like, when we have a meeting with we've

1208
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 2: got shareholders and things and he puts it on the screen,

1209
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 2: I just want to go to sleep. But put me

1210
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 2: in front of a person I want to help them

1211
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 2: get the best outcome, and it pumps me. Yeah. So

1212
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 2: I love that part of it.

1213
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 1: And do you say your people up? So Tommy Pennels

1214
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: and John recently held an event with hold it every

1215
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 1: year already? Yeah, Eric, yeah, so do you bring your

1216
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 1: people to Derek there?

1217
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 2: Half of we don't want to go. Really, I'm going

1218
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 2: to make it glary, I said to Jamie last year.

1219
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 2: We're making it compulsory. Yeah. I don't know, people, it's

1220
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 2: just good, good energy sharing.

1221
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: You know.

1222
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 2: I wanted to go watch your last talk you just

1223
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 2: did in Sydney.

1224
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I did, Eric. But then I come

1225
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: and to side to Sydney.

1226
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 2: I was going to go watch it.

1227
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:17,479
Speaker 1: I do so many of these bloody things. I forget

1228
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 1: what I do. Sorry, I apologize to people the book.

1229
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 1: I just do something them I forget but a bit.

1230
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 1: It's important though, I think for people to come and

1231
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: come to something like Eric, for example, be part of

1232
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 1: the four thousand people to turn up in the real

1233
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 1: estate game. But listen to you tell your story, Yeah,

1234
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 1: and others. But I listened to you.

1235
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know. I've got one idea every now

1236
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 2: and then, one one from James Tostavan, great real estate

1237
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 2: agent in Melbourne. He gave me an idea twenty years ago.

1238
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 2: I've used its idea. It's just a follow up. So

1239
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 2: when you go do a listing presentation and then agents

1240
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 2: following up are not very good. They ring and go

1241
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 2: mark if you made the decision. Yet, if you're me

1242
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 2: and someone did that to me, I'll ring if I've

1243
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 2: made a decision. But I do like interesting follow up.

1244
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 2: So on the third day. The first day is a

1245
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 2: box of chocolates with it. This is my stuff. Box

1246
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 2: of chocolates with a card. Second day, it's just a

1247
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 2: twenty four hour call to say, Mark, did any other

1248
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 2: questions pop up overnight since we caught up? Yep, yep,

1249
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 2: not whatever. Most you can sort of get a sense

1250
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 2: in their voice where they're up to it. And then

1251
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 2: on the third day there's this commitment letter, which is

1252
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 2: a really great letter, just shows that I've already started

1253
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 2: to work for them with the two daily papers delivered

1254
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 2: to their front door at six in the morning on

1255
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 2: the third day. People love it.

1256
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, because especially today, that's sort of unusual.

1257
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. It says in there that I've already put your

1258
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 2: criteria the home through their database. We've got seven likely buyers,

1259
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 2: We've got forty two people looking for a similar home.

1260
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 2: Not all of them are ready to purchase. Blah blah blah.

1261
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 2: People ring all the time. So that's so good. We'll

1262
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 2: list our home with you. Because you're showing you them

1263
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 2: your work ethic. You're bringing the energy forward from so

1264
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 2: many people go and present and go, oh, that was

1265
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 2: such a great listing presentation with markets went so good

1266
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 2: to get it. That's the energy window. Then you've got

1267
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 2: to bring the energy window forward. If they like you

1268
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 2: and there's a good connection over the next coming days, week,

1269
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 2: whatever it's going to be, but only through interesting follow up.

1270
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's going to be interesting.

1271
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 2: I grew interesting, and what's in it for them anyway?

1272
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 2: James Tosten gave me that idea. I've used it everything

1273
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 2: I reckon. It's generated me tens of millions of dollars.

1274
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 2: I've spoke at a seminar twelve years ago. Thirteen years ago.

1275
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 2: He was in the audience and I showed everyone the idea.

1276
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 2: He comes up to me at the end of the

1277
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 2: semn I goes, I forgot I even used to do that.

1278
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 2: I'm going to start doing it again. So what I'm

1279
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 2: saying that is, go to these seminars. Here one idea

1280
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 2: from Mark Borris on how to become healthier successful. You

1281
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 2: get so much knowledge could change your career one.

1282
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 1: Idea and you only needed to take one idea.

1283
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 2: One.

1284
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 1: You don't need to be their sort of glued to

1285
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 1: every single person. You just need to get one idea.

1286
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: I just want to finish off with one more thing,

1287
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Speaker 1: if you Finn Mine Matt, sorry about that, tears, mate, Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's fine, that's all good. I can't imagine what to

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Speaker 1: be like it was in reverse position. So when someone

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Speaker 1: like you has this sort of mindset and then and

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Speaker 1: delivers on the mindset with a structured, disciplined life. You know,

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Speaker 1: you eat certain things. You know, you have a process

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Speaker 1: in the morning with your your infrareds and your red

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Speaker 1: life therapies, and you're bath et cetera, your ice bath.

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Speaker 1: Then you eat a certain thing and you consult nutritions

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Speaker 1: and stuff like that. How important is it in order

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Speaker 1: to live that life to be able to support it financially?

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Speaker 1: In other words, you must have that's not a cheap lifestyle.

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Speaker 1: I mean, so, how important is the looking after yourself

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Speaker 1: financially in order to live that life? And how hard

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Speaker 1: you think you have to continually work on making sure

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Speaker 1: you've got the finances to maintain that lifestyle to get

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Speaker 1: the best out of yourself, Like there's an interconnection between them.

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Speaker 2: Really important, it's vital, But you can only do what

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Speaker 2: you can do at that point in time. I see

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Speaker 2: it like a jigsaw puzzle. What's the next piece of

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Speaker 2: the puzzle the e're working towards. If you're going to

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Speaker 2: start on this journey whole foods and not drinking is enough?

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Speaker 2: Just eat whole foods, colors, make your meals, don't eat crap,

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Speaker 2: and don't drink. Start there, Do a bit of exercise.

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Speaker 2: Next piece of the puzzle. This is over a ten

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Speaker 2: year period for me. And as you get more ability

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Speaker 2: over time, because the funny thing is when you feel better,

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Speaker 2: you perform better. So your income will go up over

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Speaker 2: time anyway, because you're humming so hard inside. Then work

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Speaker 2: on the sleep. You know, most of it is free.

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Speaker 2: Really yeah, twenty minutes of sun sleep. They drink this, that,

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Speaker 2: those basics. But we talk about it. I talk about

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Speaker 2: it till I'm blue in the face. But people don't

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Speaker 2: do it. Let people go. I don't have the time.

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Speaker 2: I'm busy. You're busy. I can see how you look.

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Speaker 2: It's incredible. I watch all your videos. I watch you

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Speaker 2: in a different way though. I'm like, I look at

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Speaker 2: your energy, I look at your skin, I look at

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Speaker 2: all this. I show my pa Ash. She thinks you're amazing,

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Speaker 2: and you know, a lot of our people in our

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Speaker 2: office do. She's like, we all want to look like you,

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Speaker 2: you know, and it shines. It becomes your energy signature.

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Speaker 2: So when you walk into somebody's house or you're serving

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Speaker 2: someone or you're in your business. People feel your energy.

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Speaker 2: It's a connection that's crossing over. So when you're vibrating

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Speaker 2: at a really high frequency because you're doing all the

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Speaker 2: right things, all these things that they fall in place,

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Speaker 2: they do and then people feel it, you're doing more business.

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Speaker 2: So it goes hand in hand. Have a longer term view.

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Speaker 2: You don't have to get everything in five minutes. I

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Speaker 2: had a chest freezer. I used to put ice in there.

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Speaker 2: Now I have a fiored ice bath. The twentieth minute.

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Speaker 1: You used to jump with the ches chest free water, the.

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Speaker 2: Have a could sure if you have to, but now

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Speaker 2: I have a your ice bath. They're the best you

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Speaker 2: can buy. They're amazing. They've got circulators, they've got stuff.

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Speaker 2: Minus one no ice every day.

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Speaker 1: How long are you saying, therefore, six minutes six whoa,

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Speaker 1: six minutes, six minutes and minus one.

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Speaker 2: At minus one whoa, and then I do a one

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Speaker 2: minute holdown after that?

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Speaker 1: Wow? Yeah that's And what time of day are you

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Speaker 1: doing it? Five in the morning you're doing it first thing?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So you what you're doing is you're challenging yourself

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Speaker 1: to do something you don't really want to do totally

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Speaker 1: and you're setting the tone for the day straight up,

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Speaker 1: and you're overcoming something. Yeah, either saying do hard things first, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you do hard things first. Yeah, and then you get

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Speaker 1: a sense of I can do any fucking thing, like.

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Speaker 2: I'm on top. That's that's exactly like you up, you go, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the energy pumping. Yeah, he wants to wake up with hangover. Really,

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't do that for nothing.

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Speaker 1: It's funny, you know, you should say, because like you know,

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Speaker 1: I like a drink. I like to have a whiskey

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Speaker 1: or a glass one or something like that. But the

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Speaker 1: last thing I could ever deal with in my life

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Speaker 1: is wake up feeling like I had two drinks or

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Speaker 1: or too much. I just I just can't handle it.

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Speaker 1: That and sugar and the way I deal with it

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Speaker 1: as I just say to myself, and I've over time,

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Speaker 1: I've built this sort of idea in my mind that's

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Speaker 1: poisoned as poison. Yes, actually is poison, it is. But Mark,

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Speaker 1: think about this. Would you go and if someone took

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Speaker 1: the venom and out of a red back spie and

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Speaker 1: put in a glass with some water, and would you

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Speaker 1: drink that? No, Well, that's sugar and that's alcohol.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I often think about the guy that used to

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Speaker 2: sit on Oxtord Street drinking metho, and I think about

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Speaker 2: that a lot. I think, years and years ago he

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Speaker 2: got himself to that point when nothing was strong enough

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Speaker 2: and metho became normal. Yeah, you know, and it starts

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Speaker 2: just a little bit, little bit, little bit, little bit.

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Speaker 2: But success comes the other way as well, a little bit,

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Speaker 2: a little bit little bit. It's a choice.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this way, that way. Yeah, I think we

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Speaker 1: should close it off because I could talk to ver Age.

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Speaker 1: But one of the things I just want to say,

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Speaker 1: as an observation, one of the common nominated through every

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Speaker 1: phase of your life seems to me that perhaps is

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Speaker 1: part of the adjudication of your success, and by the way,

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Speaker 1: was also probably successful part of your adjudication and success

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Speaker 1: when you were younger, when you were successful of doing

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Speaker 1: something that wasn't good for you. Is one thing has

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Speaker 1: always been there as a standard, is your propensity to

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Speaker 1: work hard, to put lots of effort in like not

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Speaker 1: three hours of five, twelve fifty, whatever it takes. That

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Speaker 1: seems to be a common denomena denominator in every period

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Speaker 1: of your life where you've had success, sometimes successful being

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Speaker 1: good and sometimes success as success full of being bad

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Speaker 1: bad for you on me, would you say that's a

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Speaker 1: fair observation.

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Speaker 2: I've sort of learned it takes the same amount of

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Speaker 2: time success takes them learning out of effort and time

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Speaker 2: episode is the other way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But you could put you were able to put

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Speaker 1: good effort in becoming a drug addict and becoming and

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Speaker 1: hanging out on the wrong side of law and basically

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Speaker 1: fucking yourself up. Or you could put the same anotomata

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Speaker 1: into looking after yourself and being the best version of yourself.

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Speaker 1: Exactly Is that right?

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Speaker 2: That's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: Really good to meet you, mate, Than's mate.