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Speaker 1: Barnie Mercer, Welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: So me. We're going to talk a lot about breath

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Speaker 1: work and a few other things, and you are an

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Speaker 1: awesome breathwork facilitator. I've been to a few of your

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Speaker 1: breathwork classes. Yeah, one of them, I, as you remember,

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Speaker 1: brought my now fifteen year old Oscar to it. And

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Speaker 1: now Oscar, some of the listeners will be a were

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Speaker 1: He got diagnosed with Cushing's disease a couple of years ago,

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Speaker 1: which is a pretty fucking horrible disease that's basically a

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Speaker 1: tumor on the peture tree that causes the hyper secretion

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Speaker 1: of cortisol for like ridiculous amounts for long periods of time.

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Speaker 1: Does a number of things. Makes you gain weight. Really

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Speaker 1: it starts attacking your organs, but destroys your mental health.

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Speaker 1: And anyway, he got that resolved, and we were trying

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Speaker 1: to get some mental health support with him, and he

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Speaker 1: had a really bad experience with a fucking awful psychiatrist.

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Speaker 1: And I actually took him to a breath work session

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Speaker 1: with you, and we were talking about mental health the

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Speaker 1: other day and just randomly, it was a conversation at

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Speaker 1: the dinner table and Oscar went he said, if I

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Speaker 1: ever have any mental health problems again in my life,

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Speaker 1: no way am I going to see a psychiatrist or

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Speaker 1: a psychologist. I'm going to take myself along to Barney's

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Speaker 1: breathwork session because Oscar said that after your session, and

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Speaker 1: I'll tell the story. You may or may not remember this,

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Speaker 1: but we were lying down going through the whole breathwork thing.

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Speaker 1: Somebody in the room started sort of crying slash wheeling

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Speaker 1: a little bit, and Oscar said to me afterwards, he

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Speaker 1: was landing there breathing away, and he was like, Jesus,

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Speaker 1: what is that person doing? Why are they crying? You

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Speaker 1: know that's weak. And then all of a sudden he

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Speaker 1: started crying uncontrollably, just out of nowhere. He had no

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Speaker 1: idea what was going on, and he wasn't upset, but

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Speaker 1: he just said that it just afterwards, he said it

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Speaker 1: felt like his body needed to do it. But he

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Speaker 1: noticed afterwards, and it wasn't for a couple of months

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Speaker 1: that he was talking about his cushions that came up

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Speaker 1: and he said, Jesus, I've not noticed that I can

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Speaker 1: talk about my cushings without getting upset, because every other

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Speaker 1: time previously he had talked about his cushions disease. He

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Speaker 1: started to tear up because obviously there was so much

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Speaker 1: emotion there and now he can just talk about it.

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Speaker 1: He says, it's almost like it happened to somebody else.

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Speaker 2: That's really cool. That's really cool.

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Speaker 3: Foreback, I love it, Like when your when your wife

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Speaker 3: sent me that message, I was like, I was. I

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Speaker 3: actually had a bit of a cry myself, you know,

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Speaker 3: I was like, Wow, that's so cool.

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Speaker 2: I remember.

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Speaker 3: I actually remember that day really really vividly, because you

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Speaker 3: completely threw me under the bus because you booked He

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Speaker 3: booked four tickets and you made you You showed me

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Speaker 3: a hole in my system because I didn't know that

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Speaker 3: you were a fourteen year old. Ah, that's literally the

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Speaker 3: limit of the age limit that I go in those

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Speaker 3: big group sessions. That's the youngest I'll do. Oh there's

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Speaker 3: a there's a young lad here. I didn't any other backstory,

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Speaker 3: and I didn't know anything about it. It was really

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Speaker 3: cool to watch him go through. And I remember one

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Speaker 3: point he had his eyes were wide open. Yes, I

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Speaker 3: just checked in. I just did that.

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Speaker 2: Nothing from him like.

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Speaker 1: No one, Yeah, okay, cool, he's here to be asterwards.

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Speaker 1: He says, Oh shit, were you supposed to close your eyes?

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Speaker 3: I didn't realize he did have them closed it at

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Speaker 3: one point, and then I came back and they were wide,

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Speaker 3: and then I came back again the floodgates. It was

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Speaker 3: not what I was expecting at all, because generally with

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Speaker 3: teenagers they tend to sit rather than fully participate, at

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Speaker 3: least for the first one. You know, it's that sort

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Speaker 3: of weird room full of adults being generally kind of weird,

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Speaker 3: lying on the floor and breathing him, and it's quite

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Speaker 3: overwhelm quite overwhelming for young people to actually experience. So

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Speaker 3: for him to go through it in the manner that

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Speaker 3: he did was crazy. And then when he started, when

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Speaker 3: he started crying that just leave me alone.

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Speaker 2: I didn't go through.

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Speaker 1: No. I have subsequently taken a me out there who's

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Speaker 1: gone through a messy divorce and he had a bit

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Speaker 1: of an emotional breakthrough. I have done some previous breath

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Speaker 1: work sessions with Oh fucking hell No, this was years ago.

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Speaker 1: What's his name? He he's the guy taught Tony Robbins

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Speaker 1: how to breathe. He's a very famous America's been doing

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Speaker 1: breath work for ages and we did holotropic breathing, which

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Speaker 1: was similar to the stuff that we did with you,

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Speaker 1: but it's slightly different. And when we did it for

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Speaker 1: like fifty five minutes or our solid and it was bonkers. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: somebody remembered their birth, said they actually remembered their birth.

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Speaker 1: There were people fucking wheeling in the room. Look, I'm

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Speaker 1: quite lucky and that I don't have much baggage, or

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Speaker 1: I don't think I really have any bag. So I've

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Speaker 1: never felt anything in those breath work sessions. But I

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Speaker 1: tell you what I felt like. I was absolutely off

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Speaker 1: my chops on trucks, right and so. But but there's

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Speaker 1: there's clearly, because I started thinking about the whole physiology thing,

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Speaker 1: there's clearly an impact on neurotransmitters. Right with that type

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Speaker 1: of breathing, they changes in carbon dioxide and oxygen levels,

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Speaker 1: and definitely there's something going on with neural transmitters, because

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Speaker 1: I can tell you I've not felt like that without

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Speaker 1: some chemical assistance. Right.

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Speaker 3: It's that full sort of altered state. It's that sort

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Speaker 3: of release, yes and all that sort of thing. And

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Speaker 3: a good good friend of mine does a whole a

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Speaker 3: whole workshop on he calls it.

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Speaker 2: Oh what he calls it?

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Speaker 3: He implies that everyone's going to get mushroom. It's the

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Speaker 3: whole thing is that you don't need the mushrooms, You

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Speaker 3: just need the breathing.

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Speaker 1: Because I remember saying reading that that type of breathing

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Speaker 1: can release d MT. So d m T for the

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Speaker 1: for the listeners to two times in your life. The

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Speaker 1: d MT is released in massive amounts, once at birth

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Speaker 1: and months at death. And they believe that the d

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Speaker 1: m T actually is there is that whole journey in

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Speaker 1: to the light, is the d MT going off. I

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Speaker 1: have had d.

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Speaker 1: Through ayahuasca, So the aahwuasca blend in the Amazon includes

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Speaker 1: d MT and it's a very potent, very potent to lucinogen.

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Speaker 1: So other than the d MT, like physiologically, what's going on? Actually,

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Speaker 1: I think we need to take a step back and

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Speaker 1: introduce me. Introduce you, not me, that's my podcast, probably

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Speaker 1: introduce you, right, So, so party to tell people how

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Speaker 1: you found your way to breath work and all of

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Speaker 1: the accessory stuff that you currently.

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Speaker 2: Do not have.

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Speaker 1: You got man plenty of time.

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Speaker 3: Basically I found my way to breath work. I was

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Speaker 3: in a hell of a mess. Surviving life I was in.

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Speaker 3: I was working hard, producing children, keeping their roof over

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Speaker 3: I started to find myself getting drawn towards meditation, things

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Speaker 3: like sound heat. I knew something needed to be done

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Speaker 3: that I wasn't doing. I'm a personal trainer as well.

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Speaker 3: I was learning about breathing in the gym, like how

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Speaker 3: to connect to my make my muscle connections with different

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Speaker 3: breath patterns, creating a sympathetic response a specific muscle through

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Speaker 3: breath patterns and movement.

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Speaker 2: All this sort of stuff.

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Speaker 3: Basically just also leaning into the anxiety depression side of things,

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Speaker 3: so rather than just go to the gym it will

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Speaker 3: help your mental health. We were really sort of deep

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Speaker 3: diving into the rabbit hole of well, how do we

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Speaker 3: actually do that? And then they were making us do

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Speaker 3: workouts like breathe only through your nose for the whole workout,

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Speaker 3: crazy crazy CrossFit workouts with mouth shut blowing snot all

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Speaker 3: breathing through your nose. I can talk about that for

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Speaker 3: hours because it's really really cool and really beneficial. Then

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Speaker 3: my I think it was my mayo therapist. We were

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Speaker 3: talking about all this sort of stuff. She says, Oh,

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Speaker 3: there's some two doors down, there's a place and they're

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Speaker 3: putting on a breathwork thing.

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Speaker 2: You should go. And I was like, yeah, cool them up,

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Speaker 2: and I went along full of resistance.

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Speaker 3: It was that bring the yoga mat, bring a water bottle,

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Speaker 3: bring a blanket, bring a pillow, bring a journal.

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Speaker 2: Or bring all these things. And I was just like,

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Speaker 2: I was so full of resistance.

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Speaker 3: I just rocked up with my water bottle to the

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Speaker 3: point where there weren't any spare mats, so I had

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Speaker 1: The hardwood floor, you know, not lesson quick.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just had I just had to find a

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Speaker 3: space of die down. And it was it was like

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Speaker 3: thirty people in the room. This lady, she was beautiful,

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Speaker 3: she just said. But the elation was real brief. It

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Speaker 2: Let's go.

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Speaker 3: Okay cool. And I I didn't really understand what it

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Speaker 3: so she goes right breathe like as hard as you

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Speaker 3: It was more gentle guidance from around the edges, which

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Speaker 3: was cool. So there's more of your holotropic breath. And

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Speaker 3: full tingling sensation. It was kind of panicky, kind of weird,

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Speaker 3: and I just started crying. I didn't stop, and I

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Speaker 3: didn't want it to stop. I was I didn't feel sad.

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Speaker 3: It was literally like the bottle was someone had shaken

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Speaker 3: desperate to leak something out, and the breath worker just

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Speaker 3: like five ten minutes. And then we went into the

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Speaker 3: more shabaster end of it. And then I, like you said,

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Speaker 3: I was colors and tripping just so peacefully relaxed. And

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Speaker 3: then it was peel yourself off the floor and get

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Speaker 3: to little groups of three and talk about what just happened.

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Speaker 3: I literally in the pool of sweat on the floor

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Speaker 3: and I couldn't explain what had gone on.

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Speaker 2: Got home, my wife says to me, She goes, oh,

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Speaker 2: what was that all about? So I really don't know.

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Speaker 3: We just lay on the floor and I breathed hard

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Speaker 3: and I cried it a lot. She said, how do

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Speaker 3: you feel? I felt amazing, and I could you know.

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Speaker 3: I was standing up to all and my ribcage felt

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Speaker 3: like I could get more in and all this sort

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Speaker 3: remember walking towards the door thinking I found the thing.

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Speaker 3: I found the thing that will allow me to express myself,

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Speaker 3: handy things and yeah, h just the process that we're

439
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 3: gonna start super slow. We can slow down with breathold.

440
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,679
Speaker 3: We can do that all the while trying to explain

441
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 3: what's actually going on within their bodies and then explaining that. Yes,

442
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 3: for me, in my first session, it was a big

443
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 3: cry fest, and it was like that for the first year.

444
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 3: Then it became evers and other stuff. Could be that

445
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 3: your emotional release is in fact an emotional release, which

446
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:30,680
Speaker 3: is cool. It might be a little tear down the side.

447
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 3: People always laugh that their ears fill up with tears.

448
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:33,959
Speaker 2: It's quite funny.

449
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:40,680
Speaker 3: Other people, it will be just a super blissful, buzzy,

450
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:45,679
Speaker 3: calm minds quiet state or.

451
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's the way that I.

452
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 2: Feel all the colors.

453
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 3: Like some people have the wild stories of past lives

454
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 3: or feeling like the tree or whatever.

455
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:00,159
Speaker 2: Then there's other people that the.

456
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 3: Release is physical, so it will be your cramping, it

457
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 3: will be that you know, shaking and the vibrating and

458
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 3: and what what's.

459
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 1: What's going what's going on? What's going on there?

460
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 3: And I run a different session I've actually been talking

461
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 3: to your wife about called TRE which is trauma release exercise.

462
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 3: So that's where we actually encourage movement to allow the body.

463
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 3: So if you think about it, if you ever see it,

464
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 3: heard the story of like the zebra and the lion.

465
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 3: So if you've got your zebra's there and it's it's

466
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,880
Speaker 3: munching on the grass, and then you've got your lions

467
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 3: stalking it, it doesn't see it. He's getting close enough

468
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,360
Speaker 3: to get to the lion. Then all the zebras look

469
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 3: up lion and they all start running. The lion focuses

470
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:49,919
Speaker 3: on this one zebra. Loungeon gets its claws into its backside.

471
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 2: Let's go. The zebra gets away.

472
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 3: The lion goes, now, I'm not that hungry, and goes

473
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 3: and lies down. The zebra then catches up with all

474
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 3: the other zebras find safety, find safety as you do,

475
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 3: and then starts eating the grass. But what you'll see,

476
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 3: and you'll see this on like Wildlife documentary, is the

477
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 3: zebra that starts shaking from the tail through to the

478
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 3: oh yes, yes, like the dog when it's wet, but

479
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 3: way more smaller and faster. So the whole does it

480
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 3: all the way down the body and he goes oh grass.

481
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 3: Let's forgets about the lion. So the lions now a

482
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 3: thing of the past. We don't, you know whereas we

483
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 3: go through our traumas immediately the frontal loads of the brand.

484
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 3: You probably know more about this than I do. But

485
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 3: shuts down our response or our social expectations upon ourselves.

486
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 3: Shuts down our response like I want to cry, or

487
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 3: I really want to scream and shout, Like I had

488
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,439
Speaker 3: a concussion at work the other day. All I felt

489
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,159
Speaker 3: such rage that I wanted to scream and shout, and

490
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 3: I was like, I can't. I can't do that here,

491
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 3: So I dealt with it in another way. I did

492
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Speaker 3: some breathing somewhere else.

493
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 2: But we're conditioned to keep everything in. I'll deal with

494
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 2: that later.

495
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 3: Twenty five years later, we're still down in the pub

496
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 3: talking about what happened to me when I was fifteen

497
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 3: years old. Whereas the zebra has done it is for

498
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 3: a trauma release and a grass yes doesn't have the

499
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 3: same brain as ours and all that sort of thing,

500
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 3: but yeah, that's what we're after with the breast is

501
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 3: it might just be that you need to have that

502
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 3: emotional release, but it also might be the physical side

503
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 3: of things. So, you know, we talk about trauma, big trauma,

504
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 3: little trauma, you know, the crazy stuff all the way

505
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 3: through to so and so was picking on me every

506
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 3: day for a year at work or a school or what.

507
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 2: We store.

508
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 3: We don't store the actual thing that happened to us.

509
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 3: We store the way our body responded, and that's stuck

510
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 3: in our muscles, which is why, you know, it's really

511
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 3: interesting to me when we do I do work with

512
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 3: people in the gym and we're doing sort of emotional

513
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,120
Speaker 3: release stuff in the gym. You know, you can see

514
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 3: the blockages on their physiology when you get them to

515
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 3: sort of if it's a man, take their shirt off,

516
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 3: women as close to to that as we can we

517
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 3: get holding away plate over their heads. I'd love to

518
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 3: do this for you see, and then we can see

519
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 3: how the backwards reacts and we can see what's working,

520
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 3: what's not working, and how the muscles then start to

521
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 3: freak out, and then we can we can fix it

522
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 3: via via various methods of training and what. But so,

523
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 3: what I'm getting at really is but the simple way

524
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 3: of doing it is lying on the floor and switching

525
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 3: that frontal low boll through those really really big long

526
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 3: breasts that we do. So it's that full inhale into

527
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 3: the diaphragm down here, then up into the chest, but

528
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 3: not up into the head, and then just lease out

529
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 3: whatever you need to release out gradually. As we it

530
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 3: through that, this all starts to quiet and down the

531
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 3: it starts sending all sorts of weird messages like this is.

532
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 2: Wrong, you're in the wrong room, you're doing it wrong.

533
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 3: You shouldn't be here, this is scary, my hair hurts

534
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 3: my hand, And then your hands start doing this weird.

535
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 2: Thing like your bodies.

536
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 3: Your brain's trying to bring you back online basically, and

537
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 3: once you get past that, then you then you can

538
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 3: start to let everything from here downwards do the processing.

539
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 3: It's like we talk about icebergs. It's like the tip

540
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 3: of my Icebert going to see you as a psychologist

541
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 3: and talking about our shared tip.

542
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 2: Of ice experiences.

543
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 3: Okay, well, what if we just cut the ice but off,

544
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,479
Speaker 3: tipically off, and of the stuff under the water actually

545
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 3: come out.

546
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 2: Deal with this, deal with it.

547
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: It's interesting because the mad of mine wo'd been through

548
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: the massive divorce and did the breath work session with you.

549
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: He said his hands turned into claws and all cramped up,

550
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: And so that that's what you're talking about with the

551
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: lobster hands.

552
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it's actually so tetany. I don't know why

553
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 3: it's called techny, that's just the name it's been given.

554
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 3: I haven't really sort of research into it, but that

555
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 3: again is it's it's the body trying to bring you

556
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 3: back out of.

557
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 2: You know what.

558
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: You know, as we're talking here, I'm thinking that they

559
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: So I've started with the Me and mine Professor Grants Goofield,

560
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: the lab called the Hardiness Lab, where we are going

561
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: to be testing a whole heap of lifestyle interventions such

562
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: as exercise, cold exposure, breath work, heat exposure, nutrition, all

563
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: those things. What I would freaking love to do is

564
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: have somebody in a functional MRI scanner doing the breath

565
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: work to see what's happening in the brain like that

566
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: that we just have to do that ship.

567
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised if someone hadn't done it, to

568
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 2: be honest.

569
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm thinking as we're talking here, i just

570
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: made a note to myself to do some research after

571
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: this to see if anybody has done it, because there

572
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: is there's there's so much anecdotal evidence. If you go

573
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: online and you just look at people talking about their

574
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: experience in breath work, right, there are thousands of people

575
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Speaker 1: like Mimi, like Oscar, like the other people I've seen

576
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: in your class, like the all the people I saw

577
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: in dan Brula that's the guy's name and I did

578
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: years ago, right, And the amount of people I saw

579
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: in there having these emotional releases in it. It's just

580
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: it's so consistent that it's like, fucking hell, why hasn't

581
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: anybody really dove into what is going on here physiologically?

582
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: You know, I'm sure that there's there's people who have

583
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: their theories, but I'd love to see what's happening in

584
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: the brilliant I'd love to see what's happening in the

585
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: nerve system. Clearly the autonomic nervous system is heavily involved

586
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: in this, with the sympathetic and the parasympathetic. Right, there's

587
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: there's there's there's no doubt. And I know that the

588
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: breath can change neurotransmitters in the brain. We've really talked

589
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: about d m T. But there is just such powerful

590
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: effects throughout the body that the and and the psychology

591
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: community would be skurd shitless of it, and hence they

592
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: want to shut it down. And if if psychologists or

593
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: psychiatrists were to walk into any number of breath work sessions,

594
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: they would be I think a lot of them going,

595
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: this is fucking art reigious. You shouldn't be doing this

596
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: with our you know, proper psychologists are like they own

597
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: emotional release. Yeah, you get a lot of that, you

598
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: get and this is this is said from a psychologist.

599
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 3: Yeah you get people said it's dangerous, you should have

600
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 3: more support, it should be more this that than the other,

601
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 3: and words of it. The interesting thing I found with

602
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 3: with psychologists or psychology its like, up until I started breathwork,

603
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 3: I really struggled withiss Like, like I said, it was

604
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 3: always in the same story and not really getting anywhere.

605
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,479
Speaker 3: But then after I started breath, I actually allowed myself

606
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 3: to go to the psychologist or my counselor whoever it

607
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 3: was at the time and actually listened to what they

608
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 3: had to say. You know, I found it not easier

609
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 3: to be in that process. I was more comfortable with

610
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 3: where I would. You know, I kind of figured myself

611
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 3: out a bit first. Then I went to the psychologist

612
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 3: and we could actually have a proper conversation rather than

613
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 3: just just feeling overwhelmed and depressed because I had to

614
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 3: see a psychologist and all that sort of stuff. So

615
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 3: it was it was interesting for my in my experience.

616
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 3: I mean, I still see a counselor.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that interesting you say that. I interviewed a guy

618
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Speaker 1: as fucking me and escips me. Paul Paul Libermotski I've

619
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: pronounce just read him, but so he he basically is

620
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: the lead researcher and practitioner of psychedelic psychedelic assisted therapies

621
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Speaker 1: in Australia, right, So so he he runs the first

622
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: he does all the research. I think it's a deacon.

623
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Speaker 1: I can't quite remember, but there is a there is

624
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: a yeah in atmosphere. So Paul Paul Luberminski or something right.

625
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,959
Speaker 1: But and and and brilliant guy I did. I shared

626
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 1: the stage with him when we did talks to the

627
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: Young Presidents Association, but and then I had a chat

628
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: with him afterwards. But and then obviously interviewed him on

629
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: the podcast. But he said that the psychedelics act as

630
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: a rocket ship for therapy and just open people's minds

631
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: massively to the therapeutic process. But his thing and and

632
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: very much I think like yours. If you if you

633
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: are going to use a rocket ship, you need to

634
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,959
Speaker 1: know how to drive the rocket chip. And that's where

635
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: the facilitator of the breath work comes in. Yes, And

636
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: the way that you set it up, like having witnessed it,

637
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: the way that you set it up give the expectation

638
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: of people, create that very calm, safe environment, even with

639
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:22,760
Speaker 1: a bunch of strangers, and then the conversations afterwards where

640
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: people talk about what they went through. I mean, I'm

641
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: looking at this and going this is fucking this is brilliant.

642
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: From a therapy perspective, there's that shured connection between people.

643
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: And we know recent research comes out that shows that

644
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 1: when people do stuff in rhythm, whether it's singing, chanting,

645
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 1: and it didn't mention this, but I thought straight away,

646
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: marching right military when you do stuff in unison, breathwork

647
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 1: would be into it. There becomes a very strong bond

648
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: between those people emotionally, right, and and you can you

649
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: can actually see this from the start of the class

650
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: that you're into the end. So I'm obviously coming into

651
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 1: your class and looking at it one from an experience

652
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: so perspective, but also with my kind of researcher's hat

653
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: on looking around at what's going. But but it is,

654
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Speaker 1: it's a very interesting And I get your point about

655
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: doing it as a sure journey rather than one on one.

656
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: I think one on one it would be a very

657
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 1: different vibe than it is with a bunch of people

658
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: even who are are strangers. And talk to us about

659
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: your the man's stuff that you do specifically, so you

660
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: do you do sessions for for everybody, but then you

661
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,439
Speaker 1: do man stuff. You also do a sound healing which

662
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: Carly went to which I didn't get to, but I

663
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: want to go to the next one or not aging energy,

664
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: not not sign energy healer, actually work with it.

665
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 2: That's actually happening tonight.

666
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: Right, So talk us through those different classes and higher

667
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: they actually different and what are you trying to achieve that?

668
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 3: Yes, So my normal class is just it's open, it's

669
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 3: all ages or sexes or whatever.

670
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 2: It's a beautiful community thing. But then.

671
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 3: I also do the men's session. So a lot of

672
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 3: the time when men come to breath work and I

673
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 3: do beginning, I do a bit of an icebreakers, like

674
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 3: give me three to five words as to way or here,

675
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 3: and mostly the men will be she.

676
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: Brought me, my wife told me yeah.

677
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 3: Or my wife brought me the ticket, and now here

678
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 3: I am. You know, So with men, do we like

679
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 3: to know how things work before we commit ourselves to

680
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:46,760
Speaker 3: In my opinion.

681
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 2: I mean so.

682
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 3: When the men are in a room full of the

683
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 3: women will surrender beautifully every time, not every time, but

684
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 3: most of the time that like, at least eighty percent

685
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 3: of the women go, let's this is my time, this

686
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,439
Speaker 3: is my quiet, I'm going for it, Let's get into

687
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 3: this ship and the sharing app is crazy at the end.

688
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 3: The guys, on the other hand, will either feel sort

689
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 3: of slightly wary because they're in a room full of women,

690
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 3: mostly because there'll only be two to five men in

691
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 3: a room of twigs, you know, yes, so they already

692
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 3: feel kind of out of place on edge and then

693
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 3: they go, yeah it's pretty cool, you know, kind of

694
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 3: tingly and yeah, yeah, I'll definitely be back, and I

695
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 3: was like, nay, I'm not going to see you. So

696
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 3: that I created the men's sessions so that it took

697
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,959
Speaker 3: a lot of that way. So there's just a big

698
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 3: group of dudes in the room sitting on yoga mats.

699
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 3: I do the exact same stuff. I set it up

700
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 3: and create safety, therefore week ow vulnerability and therefore healing

701
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:56,240
Speaker 3: if you want to call it. It's the exact same setup.

702
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 3: Everything is the same, but it's for the men. And

703
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 3: I sit and I talk more man to man rather

704
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 3: open this is what we're going to do. And then

705
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 3: but I also create more of a I like to

706
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 3: try and create more of a fireside chat to begin with.

707
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 3: So I've got this a frog. It's a wooden frog

708
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 3: about yay big, and it's got a little stick you

709
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 3: can bang it. It's a musical thing.

710
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:21,879
Speaker 1: Ah.

711
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 3: So I at the beginning, it's not just why you hear,

712
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 3: it's what's going on for you right now. So it's

713
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 3: that sort of fireside chat. So we can then get

714
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 3: them to settle in a bit more and I passed

715
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 3: the frog round. So if you've got the talking frog,

716
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 3: you're the one that's talking. No one can interrupt you

717
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 3: and go, hey, yeah, I know what you mean. No,

718
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 3: it's not your chip. And as a man, I know

719
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 3: full well that sitting in a circle talking to a

720
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 3: group of other men i've never met before eye to

721
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 3: eye is going to really put me on. So they're

722
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 3: talking frog. The men will have the head down and

723
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 3: they'll talk to the frog, or they'll play with it,

724
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 3: they'll fiddle with it. Ah okay, So it's enough to

725
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 3: distract them from the situation in and therefore they will

726
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 3: open nice, nice not only why are you here my

727
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 3: wife bought me a ticket, or I've heard about breathwork.

728
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 3: I just thought, come and see what it's like. Now,

729
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 3: what's actually going on for you right now? And I'll

730
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 3: start I'll say like this week has been terrible, or

731
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 3: or this week's great, you know, like it doesn't always

732
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 3: have to be what you're miserable. Some people come in

733
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 3: and go, I'm having a great time. I really I'm

734
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 3: here to top things up and I want to explore

735
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 3: whatever's next, whereas other people are going, you know, last time,

736
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 3: I think last man's break. We had a couple of

737
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 3: guys who were freshly, so yeah, also talk about that,

738
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 3: and then we go and do the breath work. So

739
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 3: now everyone's already relaxed into it, and now they I

740
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 3: have explained it. I also I say to them, men,

741
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,879
Speaker 3: we like to know how things work. You don't need

742
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 3: to know how this work.

743
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 2: Chill out. I've got you.

744
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 3: I'm going to keep you safe throughout this whole thing.

745
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 3: You're going to hear my voice the whole way through.

746
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 2: I'm here.

747
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 3: Just get into it. Just work hard, do the work,

748
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 3: and you get the bed of the end. And then

749
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 3: we have another share at the end.

750
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: And is there as much it's been opening up and

751
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: the men's classes are in the in the open class

752
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: that I.

753
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 3: Was a yeah, I've had some. I remember once I

754
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 3: did a men's session and then in the room across

755
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 3: the hall they were having a.

756
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 2: What were they doing?

757
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 3: They were doing like a Christian him singing session. So

758
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 3: they were all singing over there, and the guys.

759
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: There's a pig and pig and red child across the cardinal.

760
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 3: No, but it was like it was all basically the

761
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 3: gist of it is that it was all old ladies

762
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 3: and a couple of old dudes, and then in my

763
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 3: room there's all these men, and then one of the

764
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 3: guys got really vocal, and then this guy over here

765
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,479
Speaker 3: got vocal, and then it got really loud and loud

766
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 3: and loud, and I've got these men screaming and crying

767
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 3: and letting all this rage out of their bodies.

768
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 2: And so I felt like opening the door with Thory

769
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 2: been a bit loud.

770
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 3: You know, it got to the point where I couldn't

771
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 3: hear the music so loud.

772
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just that sort of.

773
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 3: You are you are free to express yourself, and I

774
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 3: encourage them I go through. So once we're into like

775
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 3: thirty thirty something minutes in, I'm like, well, what if

776
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 3: you put some emotion behind their exit, really start to

777
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 3: push it out, and if I can see on people's

778
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 3: faces where they're at and with that person individually for

779
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 3: like a few seconds to a minute or something, and

780
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 3: just get them to start to go down the path

781
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 3: that they're scared to go down, you know, or they

782
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 3: they feel like they they you know, they're about to

783
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 3: go to a place that they're not sure about, and

784
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 3: I just I just encourage them to tip over the edge,

785
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 3: and I was like, so you, I always say, if

786
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 3: you want to be super loud, you're not disturbing these

787
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 3: people over here, because they might feel like they can't

788
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 3: be super because they're going to disturb you. And it's

789
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 3: that shared energy that we talked about earlier that allows

790
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 3: everyone to relax. Oh cool, or that man, that man

791
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 3: over there is crying and that's making me really sad,

792
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 3: so I'm going to cry. I never did it myself.

793
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 3: The very first time I did a men's I had

794
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 3: a man in one of my sessions and they started

795
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 3: crying and my wife was in the room and she

796
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 3: noticed because she heard my voice crack.

797
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 2: This guy.

798
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 3: It was in my garage. It was like the first

799
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 3: ever session I did, and the guys had turned up.

800
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 3: I know him, know what he's been through, and he

801
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,399
Speaker 3: started to cry, and it just I just couldn't hold

802
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 3: it in either. I was just so happy for him

803
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 3: and so sad at the same time. It was beautiful.

804
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,399
Speaker 3: So yeah, So for me personally, it's actually actually quite hard.

805
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 3: It's a lot harder for me to get through the

806
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 3: men's sessions because I can feel it way more right.

807
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 3: I can feel what they're going through because I can

808
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 3: I can relate as a man obviously, you know with

809
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 3: the mixed session is it is amazing and it affects

810
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 3: me as well. But yeah, just just knowing what it's

811
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 3: like as a bloke to line on the floor and

812
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 3: actually get that release.

813
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: It's and how hard it can be for some guys

814
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: to have any sort of emotional yes, I think, yeah, yeah.

815
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 3: I mean one guy at the last session he yeah,

816
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 3: I had just talked to him after his share because

817
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 3: he was he was being really hard on himself for

818
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 3: having that release, or he's been really hard on himself

819
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,280
Speaker 3: for taking the time to work on himself and not

820
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 3: provide and all this sort of shit.

821
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 2: It's just like, this is exactly what we need. We

822
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 2: need these.

823
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 3: Moments to to have for ourselves to actually express ourselves,

824
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 3: to take ourselves out of whatever situation, just without any

825
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 3: consequence sort of judgment, feeling and all that sort of stuff.

826
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,399
Speaker 3: And the group share at the end of the men's

827
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 3: session is boys, really, can.

828
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: You tell you know you alluded to? Sorry, I'll cut

829
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: you off, just just this this quick you alluded to.

830
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: When you're going around the room, you can see in

831
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: someone that they are reaching a certain point. Is that

832
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: fiercial expressions. Is it is it their body or is

833
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 1: it a combination of all of it?

834
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 3: Man, it's it's it's I can see it on their face.

835
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 3: I can feel it energetically some bizarre way. I'm not

836
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 3: spiritual guru like that. It's I can just tell or

837
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 3: they'll they'll be kind of up like this, and you

838
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 3: can just tell they're this close and if I don't intervene,

839
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 3: they're going to back off. So with a guy, it

840
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 3: would be okay, like if like this, well for anyone, really,

841
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 3: it's spreading open the chest and getting there. Once I've

842
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 3: got the man to open up through here, I can

843
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 3: then stick my thumbs in a couple of trigger points

844
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 3: just underneath the collar into the peck muscle there, and

845
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 3: that has a good Someone did it to me while

846
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 3: I was so bang. I was like, damn it, and

847
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 3: I started balling my eyes up one. Then we can

848
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 3: get into the pecks, because from emotional mapping point of view,

849
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 3: pets your self love.

850
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 2: So if we can can then just give them a

851
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 2: bit of a proke around.

852
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 3: In the pecks and then they start they start doing

853
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 3: the mounting here, and then the hands come up and

854
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 3: I can grab their hands and push against their hands,

855
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 3: and then we start to get for you know, into

856
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 3: the brass as we can get that exhale coming on,

857
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 3: and then they start to get louder, and then we

858
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 3: can we can kind of wrestle a bit and then

859
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 3: as I see that then start to subside, I then

860
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 3: can then guide them into a bit more gentle and

861
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 3: wherever it is that they need to go flowing all

862
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 3: along rather than continuously screaming and shouting. But with the ladies,

863
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 3: quite often you can see it on their face and

864
00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 3: they're just just almost there. It's around here and down

865
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 3: into the upper trap.

866
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,240
Speaker 1: For those who aren't watching.

867
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 3: Oh sorry, yeah, yeah, So it's basically basic sort of

868
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 3: a bit of a three trigger point thumb massage into

869
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 3: the base of the skull, down into the upper traps,

870
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 3: down the neck and get underneath and they'll arch immediately

871
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 3: and then they will close down again and then gotcha

872
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,720
Speaker 3: is that sort and then then they allowed to step

873
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 3: over into that into that release. No, not every single time, yeah,

874
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 3: but you can. You can just help them along their

875
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,919
Speaker 3: way rather than just continuously wandering around the room making

876
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 3: sure everyone's all right. But it's yeah, and obviously we

877
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 3: talk consent before we begin, like there's going to be

878
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:51,919
Speaker 3: the big weird guy is going to put his hands

879
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 3: on you at some point, and I try and make

880
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 3: a little bit of joke about it and not make

881
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 3: it and creepy. But it's always here upwards or knees down.

882
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 3: There is no nothing between the collar and the knee

883
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 3: for anyone. And then sometimes it just feels right for

884
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 3: me to put my hand on some of the leg

885
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 3: and and just allow them to kind of ground a

886
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 3: little bit so flow through me because energy flows out

887
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 3: through the feet apparently then it throws through into the

888
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 3: ground or whatever. And I had people like say, why

889
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 3: did you grab my leg? I'm like, oh shit, I'm

890
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 3: in trouble here, and they said no, because my whole

891
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:30,879
Speaker 3: left side was cramping. It got really really uncomfortable, really

892
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 3: struggling with it. You put your hand on the leg

893
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 3: or then I went off on this beautiful journey of

894
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 3: bliss and peace. So there's there's a certain energy shifting,

895
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 3: which is why I do this session that I'm doing

896
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 3: tonight with Jemma, because she's in fact and energy. So

897
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 3: while I'm doing my breath work, she goes around the

898
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 3: room does what she does and I don't pretend to

899
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 3: understand what she does in anyway.

900
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Carli actually Carli went to the line that's

901
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: one of those, and she said she was because she's

902
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 1: spent her few breath work sessions with you. And then

903
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: she said Gemma came around and just touched her on

904
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: the shoulders against Carly said she just felt all of

905
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: this energy through your body. Says she's never experienced anything

906
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 1: like it before. But that's a get Gemma on the

907
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: top about that one.

908
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:24,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

909
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 3: I could try and explain what she does, but it's

910
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 3: it's it's it's beyond my my, my paygrade.

911
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's interesting stuff. I find it interesting.

912
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,240
Speaker 3: Uh you've got to be kind of outed as well

913
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 3: if you watch the videos online.

914
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 2: Okay, pretty odd, but yeah, it works well.

915
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 3: You know, she does her thing, I do mine. Ultimately

916
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 3: the breath work allows the other stuff to be more

917
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 3: effective in my Yeah, I think you know, you know,

918
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 3: without the breath work, it's just a it's just an

919
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 3: energy heating session with it. So it's it's it's it's

920
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:10,720
Speaker 3: very deep and we get some cool results and big releases.

921
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: It's so why would you like to So we're kind

922
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: of getting to the end here, What's what's your vision

923
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: for the next three years in terms of your own journey?

924
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 1: And then like ideally, where would you like to take

925
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: the stuff that you do with people.

926
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 2: Well, I'm kind of mhm.

927
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 3: Obviously I'll continue with the group stuff that that's super

928
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 3: super important. But I always I really quite enjoyed teaching

929
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 3: the science the end of things and the anxiety management, uh,

930
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,320
Speaker 3: the Carmon Dix eye tolerance and all this sort of stuff.

931
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 3: I mean, like there's a spectrum of breath work and

932
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 3: of one end you've got big group liedowns, which is

933
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 3: your kind of super spiritual end, but your scientific end

934
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 3: at the other end, Like I did that in the

935
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 3: liedown in first and it changed then I did that

936
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 3: learning that mauth breathing was a bad thing. Carbon dark

937
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 3: side tolerance and being able to hold your breath for

938
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 3: more than ten seconds is very very important thing, you know.

939
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 3: You know when I first did started learning about carbon

940
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 3: darkseye tolerance, my tolerance was so badly ridiculous. A good

941
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 3: tolerance that's just this is twenty five seconds of a

942
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:39,240
Speaker 3: breath hold.

943
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 2: Before you feel the earth to breathe. Mine was six.

944
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 1: And I'm I'm certainly not at twenty.

945
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 3: Five, you know, my max breath hold with eleven seconds.

946
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 3: And I'm sitting in a room full of people. I'm

947
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,839
Speaker 3: looking around and they're all still holding their breaths. I'm like,

948
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:55,240
Speaker 3: oh shit, and I didn't know, you know. And again,

949
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 3: boarding school taught me to keep my mouth open because

950
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 3: in the winter, you know British weather, you get pretty

951
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 3: severe cold and you start breathing through your nose and

952
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 3: people start telling them to be less noisy. And I

953
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 3: remember hearing myself tell someone, hey, can you breathe through

954
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 3: your mouth, because it's really noisy when you breathe through

955
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 3: you But then that's super important because it's directly linked

956
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 3: to your sympathetic system up in your chest. So I'm

957
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:27,720
Speaker 3: chest breathing from the age of ten through to forty.

958
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 2: You know.

959
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 3: And then when I was an athlete, like we're in

960
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 3: the shower or something, and one of the guys called

961
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 3: me fat was my six pack was impressive as his.

962
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 3: So then I made a conscious decision on that day

963
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,320
Speaker 3: never to let my stomach touch my T shirt ever again.

964
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 3: And so I never breathed into my diaphragm. So for

965
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 3: the next thirty years, I'm stood up right, making sure

966
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 3: my T shirt looks so that I don't look like

967
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:58,399
Speaker 3: I've got a gut. And I'm breathing here up into

968
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 3: my chest and I'm hitting a sympathetic every single breath,

969
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 3: and I'm never finding flow state, and I'm never finding

970
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 3: you know, the parasympathetic, and everything's going horribly, horribly horribly wrong. Yes,

971
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 3: that the line on the floor and the release of

972
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 3: all the emotions.

973
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 2: It's huge.

974
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:19,760
Speaker 3: Then learning to recorrect my breath pat my functioning breath pattern.

975
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 3: I take my like like I said, my carbon dioxide

976
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 3: was six seconds. I got it up to about thirty five.

977
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:31,439
Speaker 3: I messaged Johannes Egberts and said, hell have you done

978
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,840
Speaker 3: to me? I can literally feel energy running through my

979
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 3: body And it was that overwhelming to do list was

980
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 3: no longer overwhelming. It was what's next, let's go. And

981
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 3: the really interesting part from that, as soon as I

982
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 3: got to that point, I copped her again. I got

983
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 3: another concussion at work and I've been documenting it all.

984
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 3: I've been writing down all numbers three times a day

985
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 3: religiously for like three months. And that little trauma to

986
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 3: the head, I got some stitches in my face and

987
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 3: all that sort of stuff, and that trauma then threw

988
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 3: all my numbers. So my resting heart rate went from

989
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 3: forty eight out of bed to ninety six and it

990
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 3: wouldn't come down for a week. My card and dark

991
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 3: side tolerance went from a thirty five second hold to

992
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 3: about eight and everything just went backwards. And normally that

993
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 3: would be like, oh God, I've got to start again,

994
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 3: but no, how this is fascinating. So okay, So this

995
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 3: is how our body reacts to trauma, physical trauma. It

996
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 3: messes with our breath, then messes with our nervous system,

997
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 3: and then we get into that sort of almost like

998
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 3: we jump into the anxiety loop.

999
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 2: Or the or the overstress loop or whatever.

1000
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 3: We jump into a loop where by overbreathing, we're then

1001
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 3: causing ourselves to overbreathe more and then get into this

1002
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 3: awful state we can't get at. And so then I

1003
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 3: went through the process again, fixed it. So it's that

1004
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 3: sort of side of things that I find really really fascinating,

1005
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 3: And it's also the hardest part for me to get

1006
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 3: people to try and actually attempt. I get told to

1007
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 3: breathe and have a good cry and get some cool,

1008
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,360
Speaker 3: funky visuals awesome everyone.

1009
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:19,839
Speaker 2: Most people are quite keen for that.

1010
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 3: Sit on your arms for twelve minutes first thing before

1011
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 3: the sun has come up to and do like three breatholds.

1012
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 3: No one wants to do, but it is that all

1013
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 3: life changing that I did a function of breath and

1014
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 3: anxiety workshop the other day and I said to the

1015
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 3: guys in the room, I said, if there's one thing

1016
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 3: you can do, it's fixed with carbon dioxide tolerance, and

1017
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 3: you will get yourself out anxiety loop and you will

1018
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 3: be so much and you'll be able to recognize things

1019
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:52,399
Speaker 3: like anxiety panic, Anxiety will not be anxiety anymore, will

1020
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 3: will return to what it is, which is enlessness. Sometimes

1021
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,760
Speaker 3: you know, rather than oh I can't do it unto anxious,

1022
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 3: it's like, well I'm nervous about this.

1023
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: And people don't realize it's the reaction that they're having

1024
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 1: to the CO two right and to their to their

1025
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:11,919
Speaker 1: sympathetic nervous system and the adrenaline. An interesting a little

1026
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 1: aside for you. My PhD supervisor is he he did

1027
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 1: his pH d in Russia and basically designed the test

1028
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: that was the CO two tolerance test that predicted success

1029
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 1: in special forces training. And it was basically you do

1030
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: a breathold, a normal breathold, and you get where you

1031
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 1: need the first breathing reflex. You'll be very aware of that.

1032
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 1: And then you then go and you hold for as

1033
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 1: long as you can. So it's the delta about how

1034
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 1: much longer you can go as a percentage of your

1035
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 1: ref of your initial baseline test. And those who could

1036
00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: hold it the longest were much more likely to pass

1037
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: special Forces selection training. And it's discomfort tolerance, so it's

1038
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 1: a discomfort tolerance test. Hence why very useful for anxiety

1039
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 1: because it's discomfort tolerance which is strongly linked to distress tolerance,

1040
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 1: which is a psychological thing, so that there's the connection

1041
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: between body and brill in around discomfort and distress tolerance.

1042
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 2: That's very cool.

1043
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 3: That's literally the same test that that's the way I

1044
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 3: do my carbon dioxide.

1045
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 2: Tolerance, and and some more.

1046
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 3: You do that, cool, and then you do like super

1047
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 3: super slow breathing for three minutes.

1048
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 2: Then you do it again.

1049
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: Yeah cool.

1050
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's rebuilding those numbers back up. It's just such

1051
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 3: life changing stuff. But the key is to with that

1052
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 3: max breathold not to go too far so that your

1053
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 3: heart then start crazy. It will mess up your next

1054
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 3: because he's only doing it once, and that's great.

1055
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 2: Then go for it. Go blue and the face past out.

1056
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 3: Whatever you need to do if you really want to

1057
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 3: retrain the whole thing more than once. So if you

1058
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 3: hit that too high a heart rate, it's going to

1059
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 3: affect the next one. It's going to make it way

1060
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 3: harder to do, and then by the end of it,

1061
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 3: your heart rate is going to be high when you started.

1062
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 3: It's no idea, right, It's just that I should probably

1063
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 3: breathe now rather than dripping the table. Yeah, okay, you know,

1064
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 3: going in the face. You know, I tried it. The

1065
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 3: visuals are great when you pass out, but it can't

1066
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 3: be healthy, you know.

1067
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this has been This has been very cool.

1068
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 1: What's like what would you like to see, say, you're okay,

1069
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to give you par You're going to be

1070
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 1: bizarre of the universe?

1071
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 2: Cool.

1072
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 1: How would you like to see breath work actually employed

1073
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 1: across the world?

1074
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 3: Schools, schools from a young age, like schools right from tiny.

1075
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 3: I mean, it's teaching children when they're when they can

1076
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 3: start to learn breathe through your nose, that's what your

1077
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 3: nose is for. I mean, and there's document there's a

1078
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 3: book coming what's called a guy who documented like every

1079
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 3: Native American tribe in the US in the eighteenth century.

1080
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 1: It's not breathed by Jim's nest, is it.

1081
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 2: Nobody talks about this book in their book, right.

1082
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 3: And it's like, you know, in the tribes, they swallow

1083
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 3: their babies with their heads up so that the chin stays,

1084
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 3: the mouth stays club or if they're walking through the

1085
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 3: try through the village and there's someone standing there with

1086
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 3: their mouth open, they'll reach across and close their mouths,

1087
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Speaker 3: you know. So it's a it's a it's a community

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00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 3: social thing. That they're breathing through your mouth is not

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00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 3: what we should be doing. It's breathing through your nose.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 3: There's a old Chinese you know, a couple of thousand

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00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 3: years old saying or scroll or whatever. You know, if

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00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 3: you want a long and happy life, breathe through your nose.

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01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 3: If you want a short and painful life, breathed through

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01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 3: your mouth, or something along those lines.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: So, if we can educate the kids, then the simplest

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01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 3: things you can get rid of exercise induced asthma, you

1099
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 3: can braces will be a thing of the past because

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01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 3: of mouth breathing changes the shape of your face and

1101
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 3: you can't fit all your teeth in, So all the

1102
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 3: downtistry will be gone for those that don't really need it,

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01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 3: and just just a healthier, happier kids who's aware of

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01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 3: the nervous system and how that each breath can potentially

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01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 3: affect their emotions out there, and the nervous system and

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01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 3: how to manage it. I mean, you know, it doesn't

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01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 3: obviously mean getting super scientific with tiny little kids, but

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01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 3: get them, make it, make it normal as opposed to

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Speaker 3: what I've been breathing for thirty years.

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Speaker 2: Why am I?

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01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 3: You know what am I doing wrong? It's this is

1112
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 3: the physiology of your body. Rather than giving away sovereignty

1113
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 3: to ask something feels wrong, I'd better go and ask

1114
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 3: someone else about like something doesn't feel right within me.

1115
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 3: I know how to fix this. I know how to

1116
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 3: deal with this. This is fine. I can. I got this.

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01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 3: You know. I've got a good friend of mine that

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01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 3: I trained with. He's just he's a primary school teacher

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Speaker 3: and he's he doesn't teach anymore. He has the breath

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Speaker 3: work room. He's up in New South Wales, and the

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Speaker 3: kids come to each class comes to him and they

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01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 3: do a breathwork session. Not like not the full lie

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Speaker 3: on the floor and tripballs and that, but it's it's

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Speaker 3: the educational side of things, and it's like, hey, well,

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01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 3: what what breath do you need for this moment?

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01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 2: And what breath do you need for that moment? And

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01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 2: even just in the gym or.

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Speaker 3: Athletes and all this, I think he's got like professional

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01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 3: athletes who don't have a good respiratory system, but they've

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Speaker 3: got hours of cardio.

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01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 2: They've got seven.

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01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 3: Liters worth of lung capacity, but they use a third

1133
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 3: of it when they're actually competing.

1134
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 2: You know. It's all these things.

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01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 3: But so yeah, so if I was to be in charge,

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01:01:54,840 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 3: it would be like, let's educate.

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Speaker 2: Out of everyone.

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01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you know, and those that need it, yeah,

1139
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 3: come come and lie down.

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01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 2: Or it doesn't. The thing with breathwork is like I've

1141
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 2: just sort of good, you had a massive release.

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01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 3: I'm not going to do that again. It's like, well, yeah,

1143
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 3: but what if you know, even if you feel great,

1144
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 3: what if you come to breathwork you get those little

1145
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 3: answers to maybe some queries that are going on in

1146
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 3: your head, or you get that opportunity just to clear

1147
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 3: out some junk and just maintenance and keep and keep

1148
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 3: going and keep you know, you focused, lie on the

1149
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 3: floor at home for ten minutes before you go to

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01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 3: work or whatever.

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01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 4: You know, it's we just and also as I talked

1152
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 4: to corporates, you know, every half hour ideally is just

1153
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 4: you know, get off your ars, move and then sit

1154
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 4: down and do some slow control breathing through your nose

1155
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 4: because it just it switches on the vagus nerve.

1156
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 1: And the fhrenic nerve. It reduces your heart rate, your

1157
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 1: blood pressure, increase your heart rate, variabuilding brings your brein

1158
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 1: out of a stress to it. It's like I made,

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01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:01,920
Speaker 1: I totally agree, and i'd actually to little kids in

1160
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 1: schools just some box breathing or something like that. But

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01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 1: I can tell you, as a reformed nose mouth breather

1162
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 1: who had a deviated sceptem for thirty odd years, then

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01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 1: getting that fixed and breeding through my nose is a

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Speaker 1: frigging game changer.

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01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 3: I still have a problems, like when I was training

1166
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 3: we were doing sprints in that when I breathe in

1167
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 3: hard through my nose, it completely closes up, so I

1168
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 3: can't I can't do this, and my coach just looks

1169
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 3: at me and goes, breathe up, not in, So you

1170
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 3: make the crazy face and you flare the nostrils so

1171
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter what sort of state your nose is in,

1172
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 3: and then you can do a half marathon only breathing

1173
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 3: to your notice. You know it's yeah, no. But I

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01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 3: talked to corporate people a little bit as well. My

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Speaker 3: favorite is the heart coherence breathing, which is just the

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01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 3: five in five hour yes, which will drop your quarterso

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01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 3: levels like a stone. There's hours of evidence out there

1178
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:03,240
Speaker 3: and signed inspact. Yeah, studies in that it drops it down,

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01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 3: and if you do it for five minutes, it can

1180
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 3: last anywhere up to four hours.

1181
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 1: So yeah, that five in five. I've actually seen the

1182
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 1: study on that clearing beta amyloid plaques from the bloodstream,

1183
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 1: which are the plaques that tend to accumulate in the

1184
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 1: brill and writes fucking ponkers, completely bonkers.

1185
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 3: I do it every morning, but straight out of bed.

1186
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 3: I do it every morning with that for ten minutes.

1187
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Speaker 1: A right, there you go.

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01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 3: And then I recently quit my tree job as an arborist,

1189
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:34,120
Speaker 3: and we got the WhatsApp group and all of a sudden,

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01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 3: all the other boys that are posting pictures of me

1191
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 3: that they've taken me while I was asleep at lunch

1192
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 3: this is a bearard.

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01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 2: It pictures me like this, my head down.

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01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 3: But what I've actually done is quite a lot of

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01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 3: the time, i pulled my hat over my eyes and

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01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 3: I've got an app on my phone that tells me

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Speaker 3: the five seconds and I'll do my heard coherence breathing

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Speaker 3: at lunchtime because the machinery and we have microphones, so

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01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 3: the microphones picks up the noise from someone using a

1200
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 3: chainsaw like fifty mis as a way, So it all

1201
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 3: became really super overwhelming for me. So at lunchtime, I'd

1202
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 3: sit and close my eyes and do some heart care.

1203
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:07,920
Speaker 3: It's breathing, and they all thought other sleep.

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01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 2: So I do love. I do love a midday nap

1205
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:12,440
Speaker 2: as well, you know.

1206
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 3: But yeah, if you can sneak in a little bit

1207
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 3: of five five, you know, and box breathing I think

1208
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:23,920
Speaker 3: is wonderful, but not so much if you're anxious, you know,

1209
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 3: holding your breath.

1210
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 1: The resonant frequency breathing as they call it. I have

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01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 1: a preference for that too. So Barney, tell us, where

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01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 1: can people go to find more about you and if

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01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:40,520
Speaker 1: they live done in the morning to Peninsula to book

1214
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 1: into your sessions, or if they're a corporate to book

1215
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 1: in to do a breath work workshop and for their

1216
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 1: people to teach them how to breathe and improve their performance.

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01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:49,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Like you said, I'm personally based out of morning and

1219
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 3: so I do a regular morning in session. I do

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01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 3: to two a month in mornington There's one that I'm

1221
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 3: doing tonight with the Energy Heater that's further down the

1222
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 3: Peninsul which is in Bonio. I do a monthly session

1223
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 3: up in Hawthorne. But you know, I'm I will travel

1224
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:13,480
Speaker 3: anywhere really, so just get in contact with me via

1225
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 3: my business, which is Breathed into Life. I'm on LinkedIn

1226
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 3: for all my corporate friends and yeah, the website is

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Speaker 3: breath into Life dot com, dot au. There's a lot

1228
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 3: of information going out on Instagram breathed into dot life,

1229
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:34,120
Speaker 3: and my events are on Humanitics. Unless I'm collaborating with

1230
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 3: someone else and they're in charge of tickets, it will

1231
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 3: be wherever they do it. So if in doubt, get

1232
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 3: in touch with me and we'll we'll figure it out.

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Speaker 3: It's awesome, same as the one on one stuff. I'll

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01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 3: travel for that, but not too far. And I have

1235
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:51,920
Speaker 3: a local room where I get all set up for

1236
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 3: the one on ones and we talk about all the

1237
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 3: science and get some get some shipped up with Corbyn

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01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:02,919
Speaker 3: Anis and I also so I also do performance stuff

1239
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:03,400
Speaker 3: with Jim's.

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01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 1: Yeah cool, awesome. Yeah, I need to get into a

1241
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 1: session with you on that one.

1242
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:11,720
Speaker 2: I'd love to have a chat. Yeah cool.

1243
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 1: All right, let's lock it in, Barnie. This has been awesome.

1244
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 1: Thank you for your time, and keep keep keep trailing

1245
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 1: that path me that because it needs to be it

1246
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 1: needs to be laid out for people.

1247
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:27,440
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, keep pushing it. Thank you very much

1248
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 3: for having me.

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01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 1: Cheers