WEBVTT - 'Intimidation factor is GONE' Trent Robinson finally solves his Penrith kryptonite | ROUND 24 REVIEW 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:08.479 Well, welcome back, everybody to another episode of Code n 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:11.680 RL on a Monday. A lot's gone on in the weekend. 0:00:11.720 --> 0:00:15.720 One team absolutely declared themselves as premiership contenders. We're talking 0:00:15.720 --> 0:00:18.440 about the Roosters Panthers games, but you cannot forget how 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:20.599 good the Warriors are going. There's some other key clashes 0:00:20.640 --> 0:00:23.160 to break down, including what's going to happen to the Sharks? 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:25.840 Are they falling off a cliff? We can't go through 0:00:25.840 --> 0:00:28.440 an episode without talking about how the Tigers suck. Apologies 0:00:28.440 --> 0:00:30.960 Tigers fans. Let's get into it for Tima Kado. How 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:31.240 are you? 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:31.960 I'm well, How are you? 0:00:32.159 --> 0:00:34.000 I'm very well, thank you. I'm joined as well by 0:00:34.000 --> 0:00:36.720 Dean Bordog Richie. How are you, mate, Sophie? Yeah, Hi, 0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:40.120 I am Sophie, thank you. I'm Alex, also known as 0:00:40.200 --> 0:00:45.560 NRL Soapbox. Well, what a game we had Panthers versus Roosters. 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:49.400 It was an absolute, like just incredible match watching these 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:52.879 two teams go up against it, two heavyweights. The Roosters 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:56.240 deserve that win. They absolutely dominated the Panthers. They beat 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:59.680 them at their own game, Bulldog. Are the Roosters now 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:00.840 the face to win the comp? 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:04.280 Yes? I think they are after that performance. It was 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:06.880 an elite game of rugby league. It was on a 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:10.600 level above anything I've seen this year. We are talking 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:12.480 about the best of the best. I wrote last week 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:14.880 it'll be an East the West Grand final. 0:01:15.360 --> 0:01:16.319 I put my you. 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:18.440 Know what's on the line, and I guess after that 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:22.000 game I could be justified somewhat in backing up what 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:24.679 I had written that they are the two best teams 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:28.880 in the competition. The Warriors, obviously we'll discuss a little 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:31.319 later on in the show, but right here, right now, 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:35.000 after what I witnessed on Thursday night and the quality 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:40.640 the intensity of that game, it was absolutely compelling, and 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:43.200 even just watching it from my living room when the 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:45.280 full time went, I was drained. 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:49.280 Yeah yeah, I mean it was a draining contest and 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:52.280 like even though the russ you would say, were dominant 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:54.920 most of the match, it still looked like Penrith could 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:57.920 win with ten seconds to go. Some people were saying 0:01:57.960 --> 0:01:59.480 that for team I'll throw this on to you that 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:02.880 the the Roosters were very fortunate from some relaxed refereeing 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:05.720 on the amount of six agains that they gave away. 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:08.440 Did you see that they got They got the rubb 0:02:08.440 --> 0:02:09.000 of the green with the. 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:11.080 Ref Oh, I don't know. 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:14.000 I think it's funny because it was a blockbuster top 0:02:14.000 --> 0:02:17.280 of the ladder clash. Some of the refereeing, if that's 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:20.520 what we're going to get in a blockbuster clash, probably 0:02:20.560 --> 0:02:22.880 is a little bit worrying. There were stuff around disruptors. 0:02:23.680 --> 0:02:26.600 There was the whether or not DCE had touched the 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:29.280 ball and Penrith should have got twenty meter restart, so 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:33.240 there were little things like that, But overall, I think 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:35.000 the refereeing probably gets. 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:35.399 A pass mark. 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:36.959 I don't know where that pass mark is good enough 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:39.600 for that kind of game, but you know, for me 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:45.520 what sorry, the Roosters, I think the favorites now for 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:48.440 the title. I think second behind them is Warriors and 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:52.200 I think Penrith have probably slipped to third. You know, 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:54.640 there was a lot of talk about what it means 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:58.480 for Penrith to lose Isaiahoh, but the Roosters were so 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:00.959 good we almost forgot that they won that game without 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:01.720 James Tedesco. 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:02.320 Yeah. 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:06.000 Yeah, and this is yeah exactly, and this is why 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:08.320 I feel like they are the team to beat now 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:09.760 because they're just building quite nicely. 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:12.280 DC is just getting better with every single game. 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:14.840 I think what he was the scored both tries to 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:18.680 sort of stamp his his authority on not only you 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:21.519 know that game, but I think on the Risters. 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:24.000 I'm stunned for team because you're not the first person 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:26.639 to say that Penrith have slipped down the pecking order. 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:31.200 I cannot believe anyone would have the courage or temerity 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:35.840 to push Penrith down that pecking order to third. I 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:39.040 understand why he's not there in that game, though, I 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:43.440 think we saw a team that was off, no doubt, 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:46.520 no doubt. But I can't sit here and go Penrith 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:50.680 cut win it. I past seven years, I always said 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:52.920 that if I am, but I want to say it again. 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:57.040 I always said that if Penrith didn't win the twenty 0:03:57.120 --> 0:04:02.360 four Grand Final for Fisher Harrison Jerome Left, that it 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:04.640 would be a while before they won another Grand Final. 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:07.440 Proven wrong last year because they had that late season run. 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:10.200 Proven wrong again this year because they have been the 0:04:10.240 --> 0:04:13.400 benchmark for so long. But what you saw, I think 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:16.200 in that game they got beaten by the Warriors, the 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:19.880 week before beaten by the Roosters. They were ratherless without 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:23.560 Isaiaoh and if they don't get Isaiaoh in time for 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:25.680 the finals, or at least the prelim. I don't think 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:28.120 they can win it. And I think what people miss, 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:30.920 you know, I think even Ivan Cleary himself said it 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:34.400 wasn't until we've been without Isaiah that we've even learnt 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:36.640 things about ourselves in terms of what we miss from 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:39.800 him and the biggest thing he does. And people talk 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:41.800 about him being a link guy, but he's more than that. 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:43.760 He's the guy who make sure Nathan Cleary is in 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:46.719 the right spot on the last so they can gain 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:49.960 ascendency in that territory battle. There were a few times 0:04:50.480 --> 0:04:53.280 in that Rooster's game where Nathan was trying to, you know, 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:56.720 just drag his team across the line, caught on the 0:04:56.760 --> 0:05:02.839 fifth making really silly, like characteristic attacking options deep in 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:06.680 Russ's territory. I just felt like, and also, and I 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:08.240 don't know if you guys agree with this, I feel 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:10.120 like they've lost a bit of intimidation factor. 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:12.919 Yeah, you know, I don't feel like they're. 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:15.760 This big, scary, intimidating team anymore. 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:18.240 Well so, I think they still should be the favorites, 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:20.919 and only because of the legacy of how they've proven 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:22.880 to us that they're champions. They still have one of 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:24.880 the best players to ever play the game, they still 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:27.400 have an amazing four pack. They've got great players, and 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:29.160 they're trying to work out their left edge. Who's going 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:31.279 to play six. But they're still a very good team. 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:33.560 They deserve that respect because, like you said, we keep 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:36.240 getting proven wrong with the Panthers. So I do think 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:37.560 they but it's. 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:38.400 Not about disrespecting that. 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:44.240 It's about I think recognizing that the gap is tighter. 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:46.360 Than what it's definitely total. 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:48.839 It's not just like a two horse race anymore. Yeah, 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:51.440 got you know teams like the Warriors that are closing. 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:52.719 That gap, Well, that's what I think. I think that 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:55.480 teams have finally worked out the Panthers. So the Panthers 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:57.760 playing style is that they going to back themselves in 0:05:57.800 --> 0:05:59.480 the last twenty minutes. They're just going to wear you down. 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:01.120 They're never going to make a mistake, They're going to 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:03.280 get feel positioned. They're going to run straight and hard 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:06.160 and direct. But like the Roosters showed us that they 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:07.800 could go all the way with that, and therefore the 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:08.840 Panthers left it too late. 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:12.400 But also in the last two games, Nathan Cleary did 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:14.400 exactly what you were talking about. Tried to get them 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:17.560 across the line in that last fifteen ten minutes and 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:19.520 he just couldn't do it on his own. And so 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:21.800 that's why I. 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:24.159 Say, let's let's pull it back. Then he went very 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:27.280 close in Auckland. He was very close, and they lost 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:29.599 last week by six. And what you're saying is right, Like, 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:32.160 I get it, And Nathan's role on that side is 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:34.000 going to have to change now because yo, he's not there, 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:35.560 so he will now have his hands on the ball 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:39.080 a lot more. Did he get him home? No, he 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:41.599 missed out twice. I get what you're saying, but I'm 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:44.400 not going to sit here and say Nathan Cleary can't 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:47.240 get him home in a big game, because Nathan's done 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:50.880 it time and time again and he's a future mortal. 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:54.240 But right here, right now, he went very close twice. Yes, 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:57.280 they missed out, but big games are still to come well, 0:06:57.320 --> 0:06:58.279 and some can't ride him off. 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:00.479 Some are saying that now the Panthers actual could still 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:02.159 have levels to go, like they lost that game against 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:04.520 the Roosters, but they could still improve. I think the 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:06.520 opposite in terms of I think it's more like the 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:09.400 Rusters have finally figured out how to beat Penrith. It's 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:12.000 always been a crypto up for Trent Robinson against these Panthers. 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:14.520 He cannot beat them, but they beat them at their 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:17.920 own game. They were offside a lot, they were pushing 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:21.200 the boundaries of in their own defeating their own line, 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:23.840 but they did it. That's what Penrith used to do. 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:26.000 So I think I think we can say that the 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:29.040 Panthers are still a very good team, but we just 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:31.160 need to be respecting the Roosters. They are generally a 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:33.400 title contender. Well, I hate to be the bearer of 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:36.520 bad news Kernella's fans. I recently had just said that 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:39.800 you were premiership contenders and I pull it back. I'm 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:42.280 like bulldog taking back my opinion on who the premiership 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:44.760 contenders are because I think for the Sharks are going 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:48.720 to fall off a cliff. Brayden Trindle is instrumental into 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:50.920 how this team performs. This is not a knock on 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:53.640 Niko Hines, but he definitely is playing more like the 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:56.640 six in the team and Trindle is the general. And 0:07:56.680 --> 0:07:59.040 now that they've lost their general and they had that 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:02.160 abysmal up against the Dragons last week, they're two on 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:04.440 the skid. That wouldn't mean much except we're trying to 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:07.000 assess these guys as a team that can win the comp. 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:09.200 They have an easy run home. But I think the 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:11.640 Sharks right now they're falling off the cliff if they 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:13.880 cannot get it sorted this week and start to look 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:16.920 like a team that can beat quality opposition. I just 0:08:16.960 --> 0:08:19.400 think the Sharks in two weeks, that's all. It's taken 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:21.120 from being one of the most exciting teams in the 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:24.240 comp to now we're going it's only Roosters, Warriors and Panthers. 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:25.800 Can the Sharks do it? Bulldog? 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:27.840 Yeah, I'm not going to write them off yet. I 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:29.680 don't think they're off the cliff as you put it. 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:31.720 I think they're standing on the edge and the rocks 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:35.240 underneath are just starting to crumble. But look they're still 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:37.880 a high quality side. Obviously, two games that they've lost 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:40.840 in a row have been against weaker sides. Yeah, that 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:44.319 would obviously be a deep concern because we know historically 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:46.600 unless you finished top four then you are up against 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:49.280 it to win this in our Royal Premiership. Now, Braden 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:52.000 Trimmill obviously did his shoulder screwing that try on the weekend. 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:55.760 He won't have surgery, it'll be rehabbed. But we don't 0:08:55.800 --> 0:08:58.640 know when he's going to be back. So how long 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:00.200 is a piece of string and how long he going 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:02.200 to be missing for? Because when he's not there, they 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:04.559 are a different side. I think it pulls Nico back 0:09:04.559 --> 0:09:07.280 a little bit as well. A Trindle's contribution this year 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:12.160 I think has been absolutely outstanding, and for him to 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:14.880 be missing for god knows how long it does pull 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:17.400 him right back. Can they win the comp? No? Does 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:20.319 it do? I still think they can cause a few 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:21.559 headaches in the finals. 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:22.760 Yes, I do. 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:25.079 Do you even if they'd finished top four? You don't 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:26.040 think they can win the comp? 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:27.680 I've sat from the start. I don't think Kronla can 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:30.839 win the comp. No, there's just a missing jigsaw of 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:35.120 that club, and I've said it repeatedly. Look is it 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:37.720 a soft underbelly? Probably a bit unfair to say that, 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:40.400 but there's something missing there that they get to prelims 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:43.800 and they get to finals consistently. I think over the 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:46.360 last five or ten years they are number two behind 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:49.800 Melbourne Storm. So they are an incredibly successful club. But 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:52.840 it's not about being successful, it's about winning premierships and 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:54.959 they just can't see you get there, and it must try. 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:57.680 Fitz he mad as well because he's an elite coach. Look, 0:09:57.679 --> 0:10:01.160 they might come back and bite me on the backside 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:03.440 of those comments, but right here, right now, you've asked 0:10:03.440 --> 0:10:03.920 me a question. 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:06.280 I don't think that can win. And the reputation of 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:08.439 Fitzi when he's been leading this kernela Sharks team, is 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:11.040 that one of the most unbelievable regular season teams in 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:13.680 the competition. And that's again happened this season. They were 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:17.120 on an unbelievable streak. My argument is that I don't 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:19.200 even think it's the soft underbelly. I just think Braiden 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:22.480 Trindle's that important. I think without braid and Trindle, they 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:25.200 lose a key cog in their team. It puts an 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:28.640 unbelievable amount more scrutiny and pressure on Nico Hines, and 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:31.680 I think he flourishes when more of that attention goes 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:34.160 on to Trindle. So, Fatima, do you think they can 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:35.360 do it without Trindle? 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:38.679 It just depends on how long Trindle is out for. 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:43.000 I mean, look, Fitzi spoke after the game the Raiders 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:46.200 loss and said, you know, I thought Nico did step up. 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:48.880 He had to play what seventy four minutes without him. 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:51.360 You probably look at the result and you think, well, no, 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:54.839 he didn't. And it was interesting because he said I 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:58.080 thought Nico did stand up. It was the guys around 0:10:58.160 --> 0:11:01.160 him that didn't capitalize on the opportunities Nico created. The 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:05.280 reality is Bradon Trindle is the key guy. 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:07.120 He's not a cog. He is the cog. 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:09.920 And whether Nikohines likes it or not, he's the highest 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:11.920 paid player at the club. He's the one who wears 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:13.800 the number seven, and the attention is all going to 0:11:13.800 --> 0:11:16.679 turn on him. And the problem is again and not 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:19.800 knocking Nico, is that the knock on him has been 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:23.880 that he's not the guy in clutch moments. So and 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:25.960 he's about to be tested because we don't know when 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:27.720 Trindle is going to be back. We don't know whether 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:29.960 it's week one of the finals, whether it's a pre 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:32.680 lim if they make it that far. So anything that 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:35.920 happens from here on in, you know, Nicohines needs to 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:37.760 be prepared that it's going to fall on his shoulders. 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:39.280 Yeah, if I was a shark sent I'd be feeling 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:41.480 that frustration. They finally got it dialed in. I generally 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:43.520 it looks like they might have had the hardest draw 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:44.880 on the comp when you go back to how many 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:47.600 difficult teams they've played over the season. So they're clearly 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:50.040 were proving doubt is wrong and we can't beat great teams. 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:53.400 But to lose Trindle is it's not even about Nico, 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:55.160 it's just actually, like you said, he is the cock. 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:57.679 It's Trindle that's getting the troops around. It's Trendle doing 0:11:57.720 --> 0:12:00.400 the kicking. It's Trindled getting taking the scrutiny and pressure, 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:02.440 and so Nick is just able to focus on his footy. 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:04.080 I think it's really worrying for the Sharks. 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:06.320 I think the narrative will change in the next three weeks. 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:11.080 They've got a pretty soft draw Titans, Eels, Storm, so 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:14.400 they could quite conceivably go into the finals having won 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:19.520 three straight. But that may also mask in deficiencies which 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:20.640 are growing within that side. 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:22.600 But we were also saying two weeks ago, like, oh 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:25.280 my gosh, they've got five easy sides to go into 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:27.560 the finals, and they've stumbled on the first two games. 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:29.640 So the Sharks have to turn it around. They're going 0:12:29.679 --> 0:12:31.600 to have to turn it around without trendle. Speaking of 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:34.360 teams that have fallen off a cliff, none has fallen 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:38.559 further than the Brisbane Broncos. That was an abysmal performance. 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:41.200 You could see it in Michael McGuire's postmatch press conference. 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:43.400 I think he said something like, I'm usually cordial in 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:45.560 these things, and we saw more of the real Michael maguire, 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:48.560 the angry one, the frustrated one. He hammered his team. 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:51.520 He talked about not having pride in the badge Bulldog. 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:53.760 Do you think the Broncos are playing with pride right now? 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:57.640 No, not at all. It's been a diabolical collapse this year. 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:01.520 And I hate to say it because it's probably the 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:04.440 worst thing you can say about a football side is 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:06.840 that they've given up. And I think that they have 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:09.000 waived the white flag. And I don't think there's any 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:12.120 more sinister thing you can say about a side or 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:15.080 a player that they've actually given up in their heart 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:17.160 and in their soul, and I think this Bronco side 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:19.360 has just done that. They have given up the ghost 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:21.959 and it's the worst thing, not only for any side, 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:26.120 but particularly for the Brisbane Broncos, and particularly under a 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:28.720 coach like Michael Maguire, who has his reputation of having 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:32.719 such a hardened, tough view of life how his team 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:37.319 should perform, and for them to be so soft ineffectual 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:42.200 has been absolutely stunning to watch from an outsider. But 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:46.080 from the inside, they aren't playing for themselves. They aren't 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:48.480 playing for their club, they aren't playing for their coach, 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:51.400 and they aren't playing for their fans. It's as simple 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:51.679 as that. 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:53.000 And if I was a Broncos fan, I would be 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:55.640 furious at the players. I'd be furious that my team 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:58.360 that I followed, that I've supported, that we're champions last season, 0:13:58.600 --> 0:14:01.760 have put in such an abysmal effort, not only last 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:04.400 game but the entire season. Like it's just so disappointing 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:06.760 to see them slide so much. Unless you hate the Broncos, 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:09.600 probably Finns fans love it, Fatima. If when we look 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:11.480 at the Broncos, what should they do for the rest 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:14.200 of the season. Should they blood youth or do they 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:16.760 need to you know, honor Adam Reynolds all that kind 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:18.439 of stuff? Where should Madge go? Here? Where do you 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:18.880 think you'll go? 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:21.520 If you'd asked me a couple of weeks ago, I 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:24.120 would have said Yep, it's about time that we see 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:28.800 some of the young guys like Antonio Verhoven and Philip 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:32.440 Coates and those kinds of guys. Now after that game 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:38.720 against the Warriors, and it's almost like Madge has no 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:41.600 option but to pick those same guys again and get 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:43.840 them to prove that they do actually give a shit, 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:46.360 that they actually care about the jerzy, that they care 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:48.240 about the club, that they care about the fans. 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:52.240 So I don't know. I part of me says, maybe what. 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:55.360 They need is an injection of youth and hunger and guys, 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:57.320 you know, young kids who have spent their whole lives 0:14:57.320 --> 0:15:00.000 coming through that system idolizing the Broncos. 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:01.280 Chance to put the. 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:03.120 More senior guys on show and show them what they 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:05.920 can produce in the jumper that you know, their own 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:07.280 coach is saying they're not respecting. 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:10.080 So I don't know, it's a tough one for mat. 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:12.800 Let them go out there and fix it, well, that's 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:14.640 what I mean to them. Let them go out there 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:16.520 and show a bit of pride. And I don't want 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:18.600 to throw kids into a side that's got no confidence either. 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:19.640 That's not fair either. 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:21.280 It's all right to say, oh blood the kids. 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:24.120 That's a shit side at the moment, and you throw 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:26.560 kids in there destroys them. So that's not the answer. 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:29.320 Get them on their ass, get them back out there 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:31.640 and say you don't fix it, you've dug the hole. 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:32.840 Dig yourself out of it. 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:35.080 And because they've done this before the Broncos, where they 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:36.800 have put a young player into the halves, I think 0:15:36.800 --> 0:15:38.720 Tom did and had like one win in his first 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:41.240 fifteen games at the Broncos. Can you imagine how much 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:42.680 and he saw how much that crushed him. He had 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:44.520 to go to North Queens and then to get his confidence back. 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:47.160 I'm with your bulldog. Maybe the player. There's so much 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:50.080 seniority in experience in this team. It's unacceptable where they 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:52.480 found themselves. Like the player. You can blame the coach, 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:54.240 you can blame all the things that have happened, but 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:56.600 senior players need to take responsibilities because some of these 0:15:56.600 --> 0:15:59.520 players are having the worst season they've ever had. Yeah, 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:02.600 and if you look at that game and you go, okay, right, 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:05.840 the Broncos were crap, but the Warriors were amazing. The 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:09.160 forward pack. The Warriors forward pack was scary and this 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:11.800 is not a small pack. They're coming up against We've 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:14.920 got Haarsen there, We've got Willison, we've got Carrigan. This 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:18.280 is an intimidating pack that they just absolutely dominated. And 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:20.640 even when Metcalf went down, they didn't skip a beat. 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:23.320 They just kept powering through. For Timar, I'll throw this 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:26.160 one to you. The Warriors have the best forward pack 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:27.800 in the comp And can they go all the way? 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:32.240 Ah, if you're going on form, I feel like it'd 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:33.400 be pretty close. 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:35.560 So and can they go all the way? Absolutely? 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:38.239 Like the more I watch them, the more I'm convinced 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:40.440 of just how well drilled they are. It's like a 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:43.760 plug in, plug in, plugging, plug out, plug in or 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:46.520 you know, yep, and we've seen that, like Sanel Harris. 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:50.520 Tavito is their fourth choice halfback on the weekend and 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:51.440 he comes in and. 0:16:51.400 --> 0:16:52.200 He does his job. 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:56.040 You know, tomorrow Mardin is still a week away, so 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:57.200 we're not going to see him this week. 0:16:57.240 --> 0:16:59.240 It might mean that we see Jet Cleary. 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:02.920 Know, Luke Canson's the other option there, especially if he 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:06.920 wants to keep Sane Harris to bed at seven. But 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:09.000 the point is it doesn't matter who it is, whether 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:12.520 it's Jet Cleary or whether it's Luke Canson. They're still 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:15.680 going to be as good as they you know, are 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:18.720 with their first choice halves. Yeah, I mean their pack 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:21.320 just sort of keeps getting better with every single week. 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:23.480 I don't think the outside backs are getting enough credit 0:17:23.560 --> 0:17:26.840 because of how well their forward pack has been going. 0:17:26.840 --> 0:17:29.560 I mean Dallen with Tennezelesniak could talk about guys winding 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:31.880 back the clock, like how good is he every single week? 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:36.040 Loffi cart Pereerra couldn't get a start at the Titans. 0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:38.639 I just I just I watch him play, and I 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:42.040 wonder what is Josh Hadda thinking watching You know, Loffi 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:44.240 car Perera, just three juveniles is in a real career. 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:46.760 They're just exciting, They're. 0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:49.760 Energetic, and they were everything that the Broncos weren't on 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:52.800 the weekend. You know, they were just there was that camaraderie. 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:54.960 You can tell they like each other, you can tell 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:57.439