1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: Welcome to healthy Ish fans, friends, listeners of this podcast. 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: How are you Hope you are feeling well healthish of course, 3 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 1: this is the daily podcast from Body and Soul. I 4 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: am the host of Felicity Harley. Now. I first spotted 5 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: our guests on the bestseller list. It was a few 6 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: weeks ago. Her book is called What's My Body Telling Me? 7 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: And Ah, I think it was number one or two. Anyway, 8 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 1: I thought we have to get her on this podcast. 9 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: Dr Anthea Todd I tracked her down. Yes, she is 10 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: here today. She joins us from the Gold Coast to 11 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: discuss her concept of health attachment style, how to identify 12 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 1: yours and boost your health today. Now. She's also a 13 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: chiropractor who holds a double Masters in Women's health Medicine 14 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: and reproductive Medicine. She knows ther stuff. You'll enjoy this chat. 15 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: Make sure you're also listening to extra health Ish, where 16 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: she shares her simple formula for better body and mind balance. 17 00:00:52,760 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: You can catch that where we get your podcasts Anthea, 18 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: lovely to have you on Healthy Today. Congratulations on the 19 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: success of your new book. 20 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listener. Great to be here. 21 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 1: Now let's talk about this health attachment style, which actually 22 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: caught my attention when I was reading your book What 23 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: Is This All About? You write about this whole idea. 24 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 2: Well attachment style. I'm not sure whether you've heard of it, 25 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 2: but a lot of people refer to it in terms 26 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 2: of relationships. So there's basically four main types. You can 27 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 2: have an anxious type, an avoidant type, and anxious avoidant. 28 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 2: If you're really lucky, you get both, and also a 29 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 2: secure type. So in relation to your body, if you 30 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,279 Speaker 2: have an anxious attachment style, it's like you don't trust 31 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 2: your body and you trust other people more than you 32 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 2: trust your body. So a classic example of this is 33 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 2: that you are like any little thing, You're like, I've 34 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 2: got cancer, or you're like always googling things thinking or 35 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 2: worse is going to happen. But also this can also 36 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 2: show up in ways where you thinking I have to 37 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 2: meet a certain step count, or you feel guilty if 38 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 2: you don't go and exercise that day, or you're always 39 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 2: counting calories. You're doing those things because you just feel 40 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 2: like underneath the surface, your body is fragile and you 41 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 2: don't trust it. So that's an anxious type. Then we 42 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 2: have the avoidant type, which is the complete opposite. It's 43 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 2: like my body will be fine. I'm going to ignore everything. 44 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 2: She'll be right type of attitude, just like ah nah, 45 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 2: I'll get on with it. But we can also have 46 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 2: that as mums, where we put everyone else before ourselves 47 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 2: and we just ignore, ignore, until eventually we get a 48 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 2: big whack and we get some form of big symptom 49 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 2: that knocks us out. Yes. 50 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:43,679 Speaker 1: I think we've all had one of those. 51 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 2: Yes. And then the anxious avoidant is you can sort 52 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 2: of think of this like you go from one to 53 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 2: the other. So avoidant is you trust yourself over other people. 54 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 2: Anxious is you trust other people over your body. The 55 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 2: anxious avoidant you switch between. This is often where you're like, oh, 56 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,839 Speaker 2: I feel like something's wrong. You go and see some 57 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 2: form of health practitioner. You do the thing for a 58 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 2: couple of weeks, and you go they didn't know what 59 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 2: they're talking about. That didn't that didn't work. No one 60 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 2: knows what's going on. My body's my body will be 61 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:14,959 Speaker 2: fine or my body's broken. You sort of like ying 62 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 2: and yang between them. You don't really know what's going on, 63 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 2: and that can be really frustrating as well. And then 64 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 2: the secure type is where you trust your body, you 65 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 2: know that it can look after itself. It's very robust, 66 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 2: but you also know when to reach out for help, 67 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 2: and you seek help when you need it. So that's 68 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 2: what I mean by the health attachment styles. 69 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that. Is there any one that you 70 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: see more of with you know, your clients or people 71 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: that come to you for help? 72 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 2: Is there? 73 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: I mean I feel like probably every listener was thinking, oh, yeah, 74 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: that's me. Definitely me. 75 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 2: Well, I often I see a mix, but probably the 76 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 2: anxious avoidant people are the people that I see. The 77 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 2: most avoidant people I don't see as much of because 78 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 2: mostly don't reach out for help until they really need it. 79 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 2: But yeah, the anxious avoidant type, which is that typical 80 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 2: you've been searching for answers and you're lost in that 81 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 2: space between I call it. We've gone and seen typically 82 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 2: a medical practitioner, which is great, it's a great first 83 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 2: port of calls to go and see. But if you 84 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 2: don't have anything significant enough to need medication or surgery, 85 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 2: then often we're told there's nothing wrong with us, and 86 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 2: then we sort of go into that loop of anxious 87 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 2: and avoidant space where we're like, okay, well, is there 88 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 2: actually nothing wrong with me? Maybe I should just ignore 89 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 2: these symptoms and it's in my head or we're being 90 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 2: medically gas lit and all those things. But then we 91 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 2: can also go into the avoidant state of like, oh 92 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 2: my gosh, I've tried to go and get help and 93 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 2: no one can help me, so I may as well 94 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 2: just ignore it. So's we go through that cycle when 95 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 2: we're lost in that space. 96 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, that rumination, And I'm presuming secure is the place 97 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: we want to get to. 98 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, ideally, and how we do that, Like, you're not 99 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 2: destined to stay stuck in any of these I should 100 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 2: preface that so you can always change. And that's the 101 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:04,679 Speaker 2: same when they talk about attachment style in relationships as well. 102 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 2: You can always move to a secure So secure is 103 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 2: where you really learn how to listen to your body 104 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 2: and trust it and just know that it is always 105 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 2: looking out for you. Like if you are listening to 106 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 2: this podcast right now, I know your body is working 107 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 2: for you because you're alive. So it's doing all of 108 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 2: these things, trillions of reactions every single second to keep 109 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 2: you alive, to make sure you can listen to this 110 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 2: and you're not defecating at the same time when you're 111 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 2: driving your car and like you can eat your breakfast 112 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 2: on the way to work, and you're doing like you're 113 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 2: doing all of these amazing things. And then sometimes we 114 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 2: go like, oh, but like, but this is happening with 115 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 2: my body, or that's happening with my body. But it's 116 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 2: like underneath the surface, it's actually looking out for you. 117 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 2: You have no idea of the amazingness that it's full of. 118 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 2: So when we can actually lean into that and learn 119 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 2: how to listen to our body and then learn how 120 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 2: to get the type of care that we need when 121 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 2: we need it, that's when we move to a secure attachment. 122 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: Why do so many of us miss the signals our 123 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: bodies try to tell us. 124 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 2: Well, I think it's sort of twofold in that we 125 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 2: miss it because we don't we normalize common symptoms. So say, 126 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:14,919 Speaker 2: for instance, something like stretch marks, not a big deal, 127 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 2: not life threatening, but it's actually your body telling you something. 128 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 2: Depending on the color of them, are they purple or 129 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 2: are they white? It can tell you a significant nutritional 130 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 2: deficiency in copper or sorry, an excess in copper and 131 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,359 Speaker 2: a deficiency in zinc, which can tie into why you 132 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 2: have heavy periods. And then your heavy periods can tell 133 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 2: you why you're losing a lot of blood and why 134 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 2: are I indefficient? But then what's really underneath all of 135 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 2: those surfaces. But what happens is we go, oh, yeah, 136 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 2: your friend has heavy periods and you go, oh, so 137 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 2: do I. It's like, oh, well, then that must be normal. 138 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: You just carry on and then I think you know 139 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: what I really like about your book is that so 140 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: many of us just carry on and think, oh, this 141 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 1: is normal, or we go and seek medical attention, which 142 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: we should, and then we're put on something, but we're 143 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 1: not really addressing why it's happening. 144 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 2: And that would be great if we were all healthy, 145 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 2: but we're not. One in two of us have a 146 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 2: chronic health illness, so that just doesn't work. Not listening 147 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 2: to your body is never going to work. So it's 148 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 2: always paying attention to Okay, what is this symptom telling me? 149 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 2: And I'm not telling everyone now to go like, oh 150 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 2: my gosh, I've got stretch marks and I've got these 151 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 2: little symptoms that aren't life threatening. It's just going, ah, interesting, 152 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 2: my body is telling me something with this, what might 153 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:35,119 Speaker 2: that be? So it's just having that curiosity, but also 154 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 2: remembering your body is really robust and it's looking out 155 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 2: for you. So knowing that you have that safety and 156 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 2: trust in your body and being able to connect to it, 157 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 2: is that that first, like, when we can have that, 158 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 2: that's really really powerful. And then when we come from 159 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 2: that space, we can go, ohh okay, I wonder what 160 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 2: this symptom is telling me, whether it's something as small 161 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 2: as stretch marks or white spots on your fingernails. But 162 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 2: then it can get louder. It can be like, oh, 163 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 2: I'm losing hair. There's comps of hair coming out in 164 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 2: the shower. Does that mean I need different shampoo? Or 165 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 2: is it telling me that maybe I'm not eating enough 166 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 2: calories or I'm deficient in different proteins or micronutrients. Like, 167 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 2: it's just listening to our body in a different way 168 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 2: as it gets louder and louder. Hopefully not, but if 169 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 2: it does, we know that our body is looking out 170 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 2: for us. 171 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: There's a sentence in the book that I really liked, 172 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: and you wrote a society or system that often makes 173 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: our bodies out to be the enemy, when really there's 174 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: the solution. If we could do one thing today to 175 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: better tune into our body. What can we do? 176 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:33,199 Speaker 2: Oh, that's a. 177 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:34,719 Speaker 1: Great one One thing. 178 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 2: One thing, Okay, one thing. It's really just about paying 179 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:41,959 Speaker 2: attention to the small things and doing what your body 180 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 2: is telling you. So say, for instance, you need to 181 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 2: go to the toilet, Go to the toilet, you're cold, 182 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 2: put on a jumper. The more you pay attention to 183 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 2: the small signals of your body and you actually go 184 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 2: through with them, you don't ignore them, you don't treat 185 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 2: them as like inconveniences, you will develop a deeper connection 186 00:08:58,440 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 2: with your body. 187 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: Great advance, Anthea, Thank you for coming on Healthish. 188 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 2: No worries. Thanks for having me. 189 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: My friends. If you do want to read Anthea's book, 190 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: I'm thoroughly enjoying it. I'm about halfway through. It's called 191 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: What's My Body Telling Me? And it is out now. 192 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: If you did enjoy this chat, tell us we love 193 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 1: all feedback. You can rate and review this episode, or 194 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: of course subscribe. Then you know exactly when we drop 195 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: a new app. Bodyandsoul dot com dot you is a 196 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:31,319 Speaker 1: place to go. If you want more info, make sure 197 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: you're following us on socials. Our print edition, of course, 198 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 1: is out in your local Sunday paper. 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