Speaker 1: Hello, friends, Welcome to the podcast. Did is Mall and
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Speaker 2: Hello? Hello? Can I kick off with something? I've noticed
Speaker 2: a fashion thing, a male fashion thing, so I get
Speaker 2: a lot of Harry styles on my algorithm. Do you yeah?
Speaker 1: How do you feel about he and Zoe?
Speaker 2: I think I think they're a match made in heaven.
Speaker 2: To be honest, They're so suited in every way. I
Speaker 2: think that's how I feel like they are. Just could
Speaker 2: they be actually any cooler? Like I reckon they would
Speaker 2: just have one big wardrobe and they'd share clothes with
Speaker 2: each other. Like, I just feel like he's so fucking
Speaker 2: effortlessly cool. She's the coolest human on the planet. And
Speaker 2: then together, like combined, imagine how cool their kids are
Speaker 2: going to be. Yeah, I do also think I think, oh,
Speaker 2: he's very pop and she seems.
Speaker 1: Very like alternative, but he's alternative. He's very alternative.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm noticing his very into wearing short shorts on
Speaker 2: notice that like tailored short shorts. And then I saw
Speaker 2: a clip of you know, bad Bunny Yes wearing short shorts,
Speaker 2: and I just thought I don't know if I'm here
Speaker 2: for it.
Speaker 1: No, wait, he wears short shots, she wears short shots. No,
Speaker 1: I am not into short shots on guys at all.
Speaker 2: If look, if maybe there's a sporting element there, perhaps.
Speaker 1: When even like an AFL short is the shortest that
Speaker 1: a short can go, but that cannot be worn off
Speaker 1: a field. No, my god, no, But maybe it's in
Speaker 1: the like the fact that it's like a tailored short
Speaker 1: with I think, like a belt and then a shirt.
Speaker 1: I mean, far be it from me to criticize because
Speaker 1: I am realizing as I'm getting older. Oh, it's actually
Speaker 1: I'm not trendy. It's that I'm stuck in my ways.
Speaker 1: But I just am like, I can see a male
Speaker 1: thigh is attractive in the right situation, a glimpse of it,
Speaker 1: like if the short goes up a bit and you
Speaker 1: see the male thigh muscle not just on full display,
Speaker 1: where the just basically their balls are covered a couple
Speaker 1: of inches below their ball not interested. Remember like the
Speaker 1: marathon runners and they used to wear like the short
Speaker 1: shorts that came up at the site. Yes, like Steve Montagetty, remember, Yes,
Speaker 1: Steve Montaghetty was like remember back in the day, how
Speaker 1: big because now everyone's got social media and just everyone's
Speaker 1: whatever famous. But remember like even though like the Iron
Speaker 1: Men didn't used to wear short shorts, but like you
Speaker 1: Grant Kenny's and your Trevor Handy's and then your guy
Speaker 1: what was his name, guy Guy Leech, I wanted to Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were fucking huge, And then your swimmers were all big,
Speaker 1: you know, like all your athletes were so big.
Speaker 2: It sort of goes back to that thing with the
Speaker 2: pressure on girls, women whatever to look a certain way
Speaker 2: when we were growing up. Even though there was the
Speaker 2: pressure in magazines and stuff, there was also a real
Speaker 2: separation of oh they're a model, they're an anomaly, they're
Speaker 2: just stunning. We're not like that, yes, but now it's
Speaker 2: like everyone filters everything, everyone gets shited done all the time,
Speaker 2: and it's like you look at people and you're like, oh, no,
Speaker 2: well everyone's beautiful except for me. It's like it's become
Speaker 2: commonplace to be just doing things.
Speaker 1: And also for us too, I don't know what's ai
Speaker 1: and what's not. Like the other week or Kate Soebrano
Speaker 1: puts something up, going, oh I saw that for the
Speaker 1: first time. I've been tricks with AI. It was a
Speaker 1: photo of her holding a photo of who was that
Speaker 1: beautiful man that passed? He's sam Neil, sam Neil, and
Speaker 1: she's like, I never did that. It was her holding
Speaker 1: up a photo of sam Neil and her the last
Speaker 1: time they were together, which never happened. So A I
Speaker 1: completely created this photo of Kate Sobrano crying holding up
Speaker 1: this photo and she's like and I was like, that's terrifying,
Speaker 1: Like being famous now you're so subjected to that. God,
Speaker 1: things pop up in my feet. It's this this thing
Speaker 1: that helps you shit that I bought once. It's like
Speaker 1: a really sugary powdery drink, but now like Kendall, Jenna
Speaker 1: pops up promoting it, Kylie Jenner, Margo Robbie, None of
Speaker 1: it's real. It's all AI.
Speaker 2: That's really scary to me because you think lot people
Speaker 2: can do with your image.
Speaker 1: Like totally, and this brand's not paying those women at all.
Speaker 1: And to start with, I was like, oh, Kendall uses it,
Speaker 1: and then I'm like, oh no, Margo Robbie would never
Speaker 1: use this shitting thing and be sponsored.
Speaker 2: You know. I mean maybe she does, but she'd keep
Speaker 2: it under wraps for sure.
Speaker 1: Definitely keep it under wraps. There's nothing sexy about a
Speaker 1: constipated girl. What a shame. So now your beautiful girl
Speaker 1: turned eighteen.
Speaker 2: She did. I was just about to say I'm the
Speaker 2: mother of an adult, and then I thought that sounds
Speaker 2: like I'm making it about me. I'm so conscious of that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, she turned eighteen, and I really struggled with it,
Speaker 2: like just because I think I said this before. It's
Speaker 2: not that she's grown up. It's that I feel like, oh,
Speaker 2: I wasn't paying attention. It went too fast, like some Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's a shift. But she's like, you know, I don't
Speaker 2: want to be one of those people that are like parents,
Speaker 2: like my kid's so great, because she definitely has her fault,
Speaker 2: as we all do, but she really is such pretty amazing.
Speaker 2: She's such a good kid. But we're organizing her party.
Speaker 1: So she gonna have a party at the house. God no,
Speaker 1: oh my god. I know I was going to say,
Speaker 1: I've never been to your house in fucking fifteen years.
Speaker 1: How is she to have a party there?
Speaker 2: I told you that year I did Christmas and it
Speaker 2: almost undid me. It's like anyway, but yeah, no, we're
Speaker 2: having it out and the other day we were going
Speaker 2: through a playlist of songs because her big thing, she
Speaker 2: said two things. She doesn't want it a formal, sit
Speaker 2: down thing. She wants, you know, like everyone just sort
Speaker 2: of roving around, and she wants music, and she wants
Speaker 2: people dancing and everyone.
Speaker 1: All anyone wants for their party is people to dance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's a sign that everyone's having a good time.
Speaker 1: It is. But you know what's essential to get people
Speaker 1: to dance alcohol alcohol, Yes, but the dance floor has
Speaker 1: to be perfectly lit. If it's too bright, no one's
Speaker 1: getting on that dance floor.
Speaker 2: Okay, the lighting in the place is spectacular. Oh thank god,
Speaker 2: it's soft and warm. Great, everyone right, hot sorted. I
Speaker 2: did consider that, but we're going through the her playlist
Speaker 2: of songs. Yeah, and I really realized, which will come
Speaker 2: as no surprise to you. What a fucking control freak.
Speaker 2: I am a choice. Oh my god. She put a
Speaker 2: song on there because I was trying really hard to go,
Speaker 2: this is your party.
Speaker 1: It's going to be how you want, except for what
Speaker 1: mummy wants will go in there as well.
Speaker 2: No, but like I might give a suggestion, but this
Speaker 2: is about you, not me. But there was one song
Speaker 2: I had to pull her up on and I was like,
Speaker 2: it's canceled if you put that song on. I actually,
Speaker 2: this is what I said to her. I said, I
Speaker 2: have never, ever, ever, in your whole life, said I'm
Speaker 2: ashamed of you about it, except for right now. And
Speaker 2: I'm ashamed she said to put on there. I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: I'm embarrassed to even say it.
Speaker 1: Play it, play it for me, mate, me hear it.
Speaker 2: Let's go girls, and you're getting into it. I knew
Speaker 2: you'd get into it. I knew you'd been this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you think I've got really bad music taste.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not like, that's not like a cracker. I
Speaker 1: need to get on the dance floor. But I reckon
Speaker 1: that will get people up there.
Speaker 2: I yeah, no, I really put my foot down. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I understand there are songs that are good to have
Speaker 2: the people sing along to.
Speaker 1: On the yes that everyone can get. Let's go right,
Speaker 1: who is that shanaiin Shani toine.
Speaker 2: I am not here for that. I will not allow that.
Speaker 2: I hate that song. That is like her saying to me,
Speaker 2: let's put the grease megamix on.
Speaker 1: Ah, yeah, which is another great one that will work.
Speaker 2: And trying really hard to, you know, let it be
Speaker 2: about what she wants, but that I just had to
Speaker 2: draw the line. Okay. I was like nah. And then
Speaker 2: some some of my suggestions she's like I would never
Speaker 2: have that, or like I'm trying to look for a
Speaker 2: dress for her to wear, and everything I show, everything
Speaker 2: I look at and go what about this? What about this?
Speaker 2: She's like, I would never wear that? And I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 1: Isn't it so funny when sometimes you like think, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: this would work for them, and then you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't like that at all. I didn't. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So can you tell me what's the rough cost of
Speaker 1: an eighteenth birthday party?
Speaker 2: And this is this is not Look, it's actually not unreasonable,
Speaker 2: and this is not this is just a place in Carlton,
Speaker 2: so it's not like some high end whatever. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: a minimum spend of three and a half grand. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's that's pretty average, which I feel is average. And
Speaker 2: then there's you know, like and you've got to pay
Speaker 2: for the food. No, no, no, So minimum spend is
Speaker 2: you've got to spend at least that much so alcohol, food, whatever, which, yeah,
Speaker 2: you'll shit it in by the time like having an
Speaker 2: open bar people, so you do it full open.
Speaker 1: Bar for the whole night.
Speaker 2: Probably, Wow, there's look, there's some drinkers and there's some
Speaker 2: that just do not touch alcohol, so it'll balance itself out.
Speaker 1: Is it an open bar, like can I please get
Speaker 1: a margarita? Or is it just like beer, wine and
Speaker 1: spirits don't tails? No?
Speaker 2: No, no, I'm not going to open cocktails. You can
Speaker 2: have spirits like you can say, oh, you know, can
Speaker 2: I have a gin and tonic or whatever, But no,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to put like a thirty dollars cocktail
Speaker 2: on their No.
Speaker 1: Like I remember being eighteen though, and and friends having
Speaker 1: open bars and it was just an open bar is
Speaker 1: so glorious. Even as an adult, it's just so fucking glorious,
Speaker 1: you know, because like the last big party I went
Speaker 1: to was a friend's fortieth. I'm forty five, so that
Speaker 1: tells you how long ago was. But it was like
Speaker 1: a put everything on, like glorious food, and you wouldn't
Speaker 1: even fear. And I think the main drinks were margaritas,
Speaker 1: which are my favorite. So you wouldn't even finish your
Speaker 1: margarita and someone would hand you a new one. So
Speaker 1: you don't realize how much you've had to drink. You
Speaker 1: get absolutely trolleyed because it's just like somebody's there constantly
Speaker 1: filling your cup. But fuck, it's so fun, and especially
Speaker 1: as a kid, because most kids probably don't drink now
Speaker 1: because it's so expensive.
Speaker 2: Well, my daughter will not even have a sip of
Speaker 2: Wild's I know. And it's funny the idea of unpicking,
Speaker 2: like this concept of even myself, I'm happy she's not
Speaker 2: drinking because nothing good comes from alcohol, like it's not
Speaker 2: good for you or whatever. But I still find myself saying,
Speaker 2: what do you just have a sip a sip and
Speaker 2: try it? And I was thinking about it the other
Speaker 2: day and I said that to her, and I said,
Speaker 2: I think it's more me. It's not about the alcohol,
Speaker 2: it's about her rigid thinking, like, you don't have to
Speaker 2: think I'm a non drink I will never have a
Speaker 2: sip of alcohol, Like you can have a sip because
Speaker 2: you like the taste. You don't have to get shit faced,
Speaker 2: Like what's her reasoning for not wanting to even have
Speaker 2: a sip? She's just not interested. I think a lot
Speaker 2: of it is the fear of being drunk and out
Speaker 2: of control. And also she has I actually think it's
Speaker 2: a thing. It's called a metaphobia. So it's like she
Speaker 2: is so terrified of vomiting. Really funny, and like I
Speaker 2: say to her, but you could have a glass of something.
Speaker 2: It's not going to get you drunk, Like you don't
Speaker 2: have to get drunk. But she's just like, I'm not
Speaker 2: doing that, same as when she was three. I'm not
Speaker 2: eating chocolate. I don't like chocolate. And that's so it's
Speaker 2: more about the rigid thinking than the actual drinking. But
Speaker 2: it was, Yeah, it's so much a part of our culture.
Speaker 1: It's so yeah, because as somebody who's not a drinker,
Speaker 1: I have been like had so like and when I
Speaker 1: say I'm not a drinker, I don't. I will drink
Speaker 1: maybe two times a year if we go to a
Speaker 1: party or something like that. I don't need to have
Speaker 1: a glass of wine at night, and I don't need
Speaker 1: to have a glass of wine when we go out
Speaker 1: for dinner. I just don't. There's such a high risk
Speaker 1: of me getting a migraine that it's not worth it
Speaker 1: for me. So I kind of pick and choose. But
Speaker 1: it's amazing how even more so when we were younger,
Speaker 1: how it was. It's such a part of our culture
Speaker 1: that if you're not drinking, you're just classed.
Speaker 2: Is not fun. It's weird drinking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like it's so weird and it's such an
Speaker 1: unhealthy thing to force people to drink. But I can
Speaker 1: see it in my sons that I think I'm going
Speaker 1: to be fucking in for it. And they're only fourteen
Speaker 1: and nearly twelve, and I can see that they're going
Speaker 1: to give it a real nunch.
Speaker 2: It's just a slippery slope because it's like it gives
Speaker 2: you a bit of confidence totally take it, and you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm not overthinking myself.
Speaker 1: The other day, backs was talking joking about having a
Speaker 1: gummy with somebody, and I said, mate, it will make
Speaker 1: you so paranoid. You'll be the kid in the corner
Speaker 1: being all parent like tried to fully fucking scare him.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, he's going to do it at some point,
Speaker 1: like they're all going to do it at some point,
Speaker 1: So I'm just got it. And Sam had the consent
Speaker 1: chat with him the other day and he said, well,
Speaker 1: it wasn't really a chat, it was more just going
Speaker 1: have they spoken to you about consent at school. He's
Speaker 1: like no, and then he's like, well do you know
Speaker 1: what consent is? And blah blah blah. It was like
Speaker 1: a thirty second chat. But I said to them, well,
Speaker 1: at least that's off the list, Like that's done. Our
Speaker 1: job there is done. But I've said to him before, like,
Speaker 1: you're going to end up going to parties. He's not that.
Speaker 1: He hasn't been to a party yet. He's only fourteen.
Speaker 1: But there's going to be parties. You and your friends
Speaker 1: at some point are going to have too much to
Speaker 1: drink or drugs are going to be offered. You just
Speaker 1: have to call constantly, like you can. If you get
Speaker 1: too drunk or a friend gets too drunk, you have
Speaker 1: to call. You're never ever ever going to be in trouble,
Speaker 1: and he won't because if he calls me like that.
Speaker 2: I just used to.
Speaker 1: Constantly call my mum when I had would have too
Speaker 1: much to drink, be like yeah, and she'd come and
Speaker 1: pick me up. And just a safety knowing you're okay
Speaker 1: and you're not in trouble. Yeah, I know, is so essential.
Speaker 1: I reckon, Yeah, but it's it's scary. It's scary out
Speaker 1: there that idea of my God. And also vaping, like
Speaker 1: I said to Ahlo the other day, and like vaping,
Speaker 1: the vapes are really yummy. They taste like grape. They're
Speaker 1: full of chemicals and you will get cancer.
Speaker 2: I just goes, well, I think you can, but you
Speaker 2: can say that.
Speaker 1: I think, well, it's true, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, I just argue that everything we're saying is
Speaker 2: like what our parents would have said to us. Saw
Speaker 2: the idea that don't ever smoke. Smoking so bad for you,
Speaker 2: And it's like when you're young, you think I'll quit
Speaker 2: in time, I'll be right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally invincible. Same as the sun. When they leave
Speaker 1: the house with the sunscreen. I'm like, you got a game.
Speaker 1: They're like, I don't care, Like, yeah's a problem for me. Hey,
Speaker 1: I read this beautiful thing that I wanted to share
Speaker 1: with you, which is quite timely for you now now
Speaker 1: that you've got an eighteen year old daughter. But it's
Speaker 1: written by Meren porter On. It was on nine dot
Speaker 1: com dot au or whatever that website is, and it
Speaker 1: is about just yesterday I took We've Got a Pump
Speaker 1: track over the road and Odie is five now, and
Speaker 1: he's my youngest and I got a what it's a
Speaker 1: pump track, like a bipump track. So it's like this
Speaker 1: kind of like with this ramp sort of like with
Speaker 1: like bumps and you go around and yeah, you're not
Speaker 1: meant to kind of pedal, you kind of pump the
Speaker 1: bike around. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, every kid breaks their
Speaker 1: arms on it. But he's only just got into a
Speaker 1: big boy bike and it's so watching him. Yesterday I
Speaker 1: consciously said, put your phone down and watch your little boy,
Speaker 1: and just watching him fly around, and I just had
Speaker 1: all those going to make me cry now, But that
Speaker 1: was my baby, Like, he's my last one, and he's
Speaker 1: now growing up and doing things that you don't like.
Speaker 1: You know, when they're little, you don't expect them to
Speaker 1: do things, and I'm like, oh, you're doing things now
Speaker 1: that Yeah, I can't explain it, but it's the last
Speaker 1: for me because he's my last one. But he's so
Speaker 1: me still, like he's I don't see him as separate
Speaker 1: to me. The older two I see is separate to me,
Speaker 1: but he's still mine and he's still just this little
Speaker 1: guy that is my sidekick. And yesterday, looking at him,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, fuck, you're becoming more your own person,
Speaker 1: like you're out there riding your bike, chatting to little kids,
Speaker 1: and just am having more and more of those moments
Speaker 1: at the moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Anyway, so this piece this morning I read and I thought,
Speaker 1: I want to read it out to you. And it's
Speaker 1: a lady's written it because her son is away and
Speaker 1: it's the first time he's been away for one of
Speaker 1: his birthdays. So he's obviously I think he's about nineteen,
Speaker 1: and she shared every birthday with him, but he's not
Speaker 1: here for his birthday this year, and it's just kind
Speaker 1: of hit her that, oh, like, yeah, that's I don't
Speaker 1: just automatically get to have you for your birthdays. And
Speaker 1: it made me think, I'm like, I still have my
Speaker 1: boys for all their birthdays at the moment, but I'm
Speaker 1: not always going.
Speaker 2: To, you know, deal trip the shit out of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just come home.
Speaker 2: So I gave birth to you.
Speaker 1: It's my birthday, all right, So I'm going to read
Speaker 1: you this. Yeah, mother and son, son and mother. We
Speaker 1: were inseparable in the early years. It was hard to
Speaker 1: know where I ended and he began. Until that time
Speaker 1: between has started to stretch. That invisible tether grew longer wider,
Speaker 1: from baby to toddler to little boy, big boy, adolescent, teen,
Speaker 1: late teen, and finally an adult. That string, whether you
Speaker 1: call it your heart string or your apron string, strained
Speaker 1: and strained until it almost but never quite snapped. You
Speaker 1: go from being your child's favorite person to their least
Speaker 1: favorite person almost overnight. One minute he is clinging to
Speaker 1: your legs begging you not to leave him at childcare
Speaker 1: for a few hours, to hopping on a bus for
Speaker 1: school camp without even looking back. That first time without
Speaker 1: contact feels like a piece of your heart has been
Speaker 1: taken out of your chest. Recently, he has talked more
Speaker 1: about moving overseas for work or sport, or a stint
Speaker 1: of studying abroad. Each time he says it, it's like
Speaker 1: an arrow piercing my heart. How will I cope without
Speaker 1: seeing him every day, knowing if he is safe, Listening
Speaker 1: for a car to pull up and the key to
Speaker 1: go into the front door, the sounds that calms a
Speaker 1: mother's heart. Then I remind myself I will have to
Speaker 1: for he is not mine. Yes, he was given to
Speaker 1: me for a short rile, too short, but he was
Speaker 1: only on loan just one year. As a baby was
Speaker 1: all I got a couple. As a toddler, you get
Speaker 1: the drift. So while I am sad today that I
Speaker 1: don't get to wrap my arms around my son on
Speaker 1: his birthday, I am happy he is walking along his
Speaker 1: own path, a path that has been illuminated by the
Speaker 1: thousands of steps we took together.
Speaker 2: Oh that's beautiful.
Speaker 1: Isn't that so beautiful? I loved it, and I was like,
Speaker 1: that's so timely for you and also for me having
Speaker 1: a mini that. I'm like, we're still so tethered together,
Speaker 1: but he's slowly not you know, I know, motherhood parenting
Speaker 1: so full on.
Speaker 2: Yeah it is, but I feel pretty solid in that
Speaker 2: theull always need us, Like, yeah, I don't think that
Speaker 2: ever goes away. I think it's just the idea of
Speaker 2: their life will take off. We have to just sit
Speaker 2: and watch it happen, like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, overseas, trips that I'm going to move in
Speaker 1: with so and.
Speaker 2: So, like all of that. You know, I don't know
Speaker 2: if I said this to you, but my daughter had
Speaker 2: said at one point she's got this thing, she really
Speaker 2: wants to travel and whatever, and I'm like, okay, okay,
Speaker 2: but in my head, I'm like, yep, Yep, great idea,
Speaker 2: because I know it's not a reality yet. But I
Speaker 2: said to her she'd said something about it at some point,
Speaker 2: maybe wanting to live overseas or something. And I said
Speaker 2: to her, this is really really hard to say, but
Speaker 2: we want you to listen to our advice. But what
Speaker 2: we want more is for you to make the decisions
Speaker 2: that are right for you as you grow and you
Speaker 2: become an adult, to think for yourself without basing what
Speaker 2: you want to do on pleasing us, which is really
Speaker 2: fucking hard for me to say, because if she, if
Speaker 2: the time comes, she does do that, I will, like,
Speaker 2: I'll be like the Beatles. She might be in Greece
Speaker 2: and I'll be sitting on a park bench with like.
Speaker 1: Reading the newspaper.
Speaker 2: We cut it out, like the letting go, because you
Speaker 2: know what it's your biggest fear is something happening to them.
Speaker 2: And again I guess it's control, the control.
Speaker 1: It's total control when they're under your I sometimes say,
Speaker 1: when all three of my boys are home and in bed,
Speaker 1: I say to Sam, I feel so safe right now,
Speaker 1: like knowing all everyone who I love is under this house.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it gets to the point where I'm like, I
Speaker 1: just need the boys home. I need us all in
Speaker 1: the same house to just feel But that's not something
Speaker 1: we're going to have forever.
Speaker 2: No, it's limited. Like all the best meetings, it's always limited.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're so right and that yet we still wish
Speaker 1: every fucking second of it away. Oh my friends, we
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