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Speaker 2: from the Australian. From The Australian, I'm Claire Harvey. A

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Speaker 2: special bonus episode of The Front for you today. It's

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Speaker 2: the first in a series of episodes we're rolling out

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Speaker 2: over the next six weekends. As part of The Australian's

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Speaker 2: sixtieth anniversary celebrations, We've asked a handful of the nation's

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Speaker 2: most eminent thinkers, commentators and experts to reflect on the

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Speaker 2: past six decades. Their observations about everything from power and

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Speaker 2: politics to science and identity have been published in a

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Speaker 2: special edition Glossy Magazine out today. First up is political

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Speaker 2: firebrand Senator Jacinta Numbi imp Price, the opposition spokesperson for

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Speaker 2: Indigenous Australians, was the secret weapon of the No camp

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Speaker 2: during last year's referendum on a Voice to Parliament. She

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Speaker 2: felt the proposed advisory body wouldn't be effective in addressing

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Speaker 2: the practical challenges faced by Aboriginal people in rural and

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Speaker 2: remote communities. The voice was resoundingly voted down on October fourteen,

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Speaker 2: with just over sixty percent of Australians voting against the

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Speaker 2: constitutional change. Jacinta number MP Price has written today on

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Speaker 2: the theme of history. She says, we need to be

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Speaker 2: honest with ourselves about the good and bad aspects of

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Speaker 2: our national story if we want to move forward together.

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Speaker 2: That's today's episode.

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Speaker 1: Our Australian story is not perfect. There are shameful chapters,

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Speaker 1: but the arc of our history has been overwhelmingly positive.

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Speaker 1: It's a story that has few historical parallels.

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Speaker 2: That Senator Jacinta Numbi impro Price, reading an excerpt from

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Speaker 2: her essay for The Australian.

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Speaker 1: The ends don't always justify the means, but honesty is

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Speaker 1: required if we're to move forward and reconcile as a nation.

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Speaker 2: Her father, David, was a history teacher and a white man.

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Speaker 2: He hails from Newcastle in the New South Wales Hunter

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Speaker 2: although he has Irish heritage. He married Jacinta's mum, Woolbury

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Speaker 2: woman and former Northern Territory minister, Bess Nomurai Price, more

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Speaker 2: than forty years ago. They met in the town of

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Speaker 2: Yondermu and later relocated to Alice Springs, where they raised

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Speaker 2: Jacinta and her brother, Leonard. Jacinta's big brother died of

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Speaker 2: cancer when he was just ten. She was three years

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Speaker 2: old at the time. The Price has traveled widely, and

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Speaker 2: young Jacinta had been around the world and seen every

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Speaker 2: Australian state before her thirteenth birthday, but it was growing

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Speaker 2: up on Walpury Country, her mom's country as part of

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Speaker 2: a mixed race family with a history teacher dad that

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Speaker 2: had a huge impact on how Price thinks about our

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Speaker 2: collective past.

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Speaker 1: I'm biased because my father was a history teacher, so

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Speaker 1: I had no choice but to appreciate and value what

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Speaker 1: history means.

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Speaker 2: Just Into Numbing for Prise got her start, not in politics,

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Speaker 2: but in showbiz.

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Speaker 2: She worked as a singer songwriter throughout her twenties, releasing

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Speaker 2: her first album in twenty thirteen. She describes her sound

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Speaker 2: as a little bit country, a little bit folk, and

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Speaker 2: a little bit soul, and the album was a tribute

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Speaker 2: in twenty fifteen, her mum, Bess officiated just Into, swearing

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Speaker 2: The next time round, she got up, winning a Senate

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Speaker 2: her views on indigenous issues, domestic violence and colonization have

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Speaker 1: The hard fact is that once modernity emerged across the globe,

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Speaker 1: the hunter gatherer life was not going to last long.

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Speaker 1: There is no alternative possible version of Australian history where

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Speaker 1: the British who arrived and not many of the other alternatives.

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Speaker 2: In her essay for the Australian and in her recent

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Speaker 2: political life, just Into not being proprised says, we have

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Speaker 2: to talk frankly about the horrors some colonizers inflicted, like

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Speaker 1: We need to understand the atrocities that occurred so that

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Speaker 1: a unique shared Australian culture. I think we need to

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Speaker 1: be able to instill pride within our children, within the

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Speaker 1: then we can't progress forward in a positive way, in

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Speaker 2: Indigenous leaders have spent decades pushing for treaty, but in

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Speaker 2: the twenty tens this morphed into a vision for something

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Speaker 2: much more specific, a three phase process beginning with a

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Speaker 2: voice to Parliament than a Macarata Commission, and then a

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Speaker 2: treaty with First Nations people. Here's voice proponent and Cobble

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Speaker 3: Macarata is the culmination of our gender. It captures our

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Speaker 3: aspirations for a fair and truthful relationship with the people

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Speaker 3: of Australia and a better future for our children based

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Speaker 3: on justice and self determination.

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Speaker 2: This became Anthony Albanesi's first pledge as Prime Minister.

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Speaker 3: Present and emerging and on behalf of the Australian Labor Party.

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Speaker 2: I commit to the ularu's statement from the heart and cold.

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Speaker 2: Macarata is a Yong word that translates loosely to coming

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Speaker 2: together after a struggle. The Macarata Commission, proposed in the

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Speaker 2: Ularu Statement, was to focus on truth telling about Australia's

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Speaker 2: recent history. But as a significant player in the thumping

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Speaker 2: defeat of the Voice, Senator Price isn't a fan of

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Speaker 2: Macarata either.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we need truth telling. I think the

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Speaker 1: concept of truth telling in the framework of Indigenous policy

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Speaker 1: Indigenous Australians is more driven by this notion that somehow

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Speaker 1: modern non Indigenous Australians have to compensate for what occurred

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Speaker 1: to Aboriginal people in our country's history. I wouldn't suggest

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Speaker 1: the idea of truth telling is a way forward because

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Speaker 1: I feel it's more of a reinvention of history, a

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Speaker 1: rewrite of history, if you like, we need to add

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Speaker 1: to our history. Certainly there's a broader picture that's not

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Speaker 1: being told that needs to complement what we've already been

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Speaker 1: told about our nation's history, and I think that's what

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Speaker 1: needs to be done through the education system, through our historians,

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Speaker 1: but working together Indigenous and non Indigenous Australia in that

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Speaker 2: Gap instead just enterprise backs a different kind of movement.

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Speaker 1: I think the advancement movement is about taking a positive

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Speaker 1: view of ourselves as a nation and in order to

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Speaker 1: solve our problems, we need to get on board with

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Speaker 1: one another. No more separatism. How can we push for

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Speaker 1: separatism when many of us our DNA won't allow it,

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Speaker 1: our family circumstances, our community circumstances doesn't allow for it.

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Speaker 1: It's ludicrous, you know. The advancement movement, to me is

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Speaker 1: about treating everybody equally, is about you know, I guess

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Speaker 1: of need instead of race. It's about looking forward in

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Speaker 2: Coming up, what just internompim for Price says about guilt

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Speaker 2: and responsibility. It's The Australian's sixtieth birthday on Monday July fifteen,

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Speaker 2: and we're diving into our own history. Join ours subscribers

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Speaker 2: at the Australian dot com dot au and we'll be

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Speaker 2: back after this break. Senator just inter Numpian for Price

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Speaker 2: met her husband, Scottish Australian singer Colin and Lily, when

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Speaker 2: they were both working in the music business. They married

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Speaker 2: in a traditional ceremony and live in Alice Springs with

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Speaker 2: their blended family. It's a busy household with Justinto's three

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Speaker 2: sons and Collins one all growing up together. At last

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Speaker 2: year's Great Voice Debate hosted by The Australian in the

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Speaker 2: run up to last year's Voice referendum, she described her

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Speaker 2: family's mixed heritage like.

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Speaker 1: This, We've got a blended family. Boys that've got different

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Speaker 1: backgrounds and heritage within them. You know, Marisian, French, Creole, Malay, Indian,

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Speaker 1: you know, Irish, Scottish, Welsh, German, English. I think it's Chinese.

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Speaker 1: A great great grandfather from Odam, Big Walbury. They're Australian

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Speaker 1: kids and ultimately this is personal for US.

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Speaker 2: Senator Price sees her own extended family dynamic reflected all

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Speaker 1: We've got that shared unity. I grew up in a

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Speaker 1: you know, there was into marrying going on. And that's

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Speaker 1: the case right across Australia. I mean in the cities,

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Speaker 1: I think somewhere like eighty percent of those who identify

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Speaker 1: mixing it up. You know, we are the Australian story.

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Speaker 2: She says, the idea that modern Australians should bear the

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Speaker 2: responsibility and the guilt for the sins of the past

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Speaker 2: is holding us all back.

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Speaker 1: I've spoken previously. I've written about the Connaistant massacre which

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Speaker 1: my Woppery family were murdered as a result of that.

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Speaker 1: But that seventy five years after it occurred, we had

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Speaker 1: blame you for what happened in our country's history. We

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Speaker 1: want to recognize these were hard times, but we are

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Speaker 1: the horrors, the atrocities, and that everyone now has to

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Speaker 1: compensate for what happened in our nation's history, and talk

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Speaker 1: of reparations and all of those sorts of things, and

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Speaker 2: This episode was produced by Christen Amiot with the support

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Speaker 2: of Bianco far Marcus. You can read the full essay

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