WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 5 June 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:05.200 From the Sky News Center. This is Paul Murray. 0:00:04.800 --> 0:00:12.719 Live here on Paul Murray Live. I'm James Borrow, and 0:00:12.760 --> 0:00:16.079 we have got a huge coming up for you. We've 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:19.000 got Brodwin, Bishop Joe Hildebrand here in the man Cave, 0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:22.400 plus James Ashby and Christy mcsweetey to bring you the 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:25.360 big stories of the day. We might have some fun, 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:27.600 we might have some fights, but we're gonna have a 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:31.440 lot of laughs along the way. But before we get 0:00:31.480 --> 0:00:35.040 into that, well, I wish I had some better news 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:37.800 for you tonight, folks, But I tell you what, Frankly, 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:41.160 it's all looking a little bit grim. All right, Look, 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:43.760 it's not all grim, and I'll get to the good 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:46.960 news in a moment, but first we got to have 0:00:47.000 --> 0:00:49.440 a look at some basic facts of the matter. Now 0:00:49.440 --> 0:00:52.120 that we are a couple of weeks into a second 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:57.920 Labor term and Prime Minister Anthony Alpinisi can no longer 0:00:57.960 --> 0:01:00.840 go out there claiming that, well, the only reason things 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:03.960 are running off the rails is because we and Labor, 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:06.960 as they're so fond of saying, are just cleaning up 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:10.720 the mess left to us by the Coalition, which was 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:13.479 of course basically the line that they ran with for 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:15.880 the past three years. 0:01:16.720 --> 0:01:19.000 The mists that we inherited. There is a lot of 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:20.040 mess to clean up. 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:23.000 Another myss that the Albanezy government has to clean up. 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:25.320 Cleaning up the mess? What does. 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:28.360 Ah? 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:31.680 Yes, but now it's clean up on Aisle Elbow now 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:34.800 and somehow the coalition though we're not able to counter 0:01:34.920 --> 0:01:37.240 all of that stuff about the mess at the last election. 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:41.760 But hey, we move on. The facts are what they are, 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:46.440 and they are grim. We know that Australia's overall GDP 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:51.480 is plateauing on a per capital basis. We're going backwards 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:54.600 again for the ninth out of the last eleven quarters. 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:59.200 Businesses are undertaking what can only be called a capital strike, 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:03.440 meaning that they find our highly regulated economy simply not 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:06.280 worth the risk of pumping more money into in terms 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:10.840 of investment and in terms of productivity improvements, which should 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:15.000 allow us to create more wealth with less work. Well, 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:20.200 guess what, they're nowhere to be seen. So, given this 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:25.040 set of circumstances, the ordinary person might think that the 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:29.360 nation's treasurer would be doing everything in his power to 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:35.200 get out of this malaise and reset the economy to boom. 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:40.519 But no, that's not the Jim Chalmers Way. Treasurer Jim 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:44.640 Talmers has instead decided that this is the hill he 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:49.160 wishes to die on, instead taxing the unrealized gains of 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:54.040 the nation's top yeer supernuation accounts. Which is where I 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:57.040 have to say the good news comes in. You see, 0:02:57.560 --> 0:03:00.440 because yesterday at this time, there was a little bit 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:04.320 of concern that the Coalition under the kinder and gentler 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:10.200 Susan Lay and Shadow Treasurer Ted O'Brien might might decide 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:14.960 to attempt some sort of negotiation with the government, you know, 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:18.079 to put to bed all the old sledges by elbow 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:22.600 about the Noalition, and that they might try and instead 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:26.040 soften the edges work with Labor, put the policy through, 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:29.960 but just simply soften the edge of this no good, 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:35.160 very bad policy that would open the door eventually to 0:03:35.280 --> 0:03:38.200 at tax by the government on the family home and 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:44.960 lord knows what other classes of assets. Well, that's not 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:49.840 happening now. The Coalition has formally enshrined its opposition to 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:54.160 labor Semer tax after Susan Lay's Shadow Cabinet Cabinet signed 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:58.600 off on its first major policy position since Labour's landside 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:02.480 May three. Electric victory. In a one hour virtual Shadow 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:06.960 Cabinet meeting on Thursday morning, the first one convened since 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:10.360 was laid the David Nationals leader David little Prown decided 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:14.000 to keep the marriage back together well. The meeting was 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:18.480 dominated by discussions on the government's super tax plan. Here's 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:20.280 a bit of what Ted O'Brien had to say a 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:21.920 little bit after the meeting today. 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:26.440 Labor's super tax, it's super big, it's super bad. We 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:32.599 will it definitely as a coalition oppose this unfair supertax 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:34.520 of Labor's every step of the way. 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:41.080 Thank you and hollylujah. This is exactly what the new 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:44.320 party room should have decided. I just can't believe that 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:47.640 it took them so long to do so. Now, the 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:52.160 answer to the question why is very simple. See luring 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:56.680 the coalition into talks over the supertax. That was a 0:04:56.880 --> 0:05:00.600 trap Labor set for the new Shadow treasure O'Brien, who 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:03.880 we just saw there at his party room, because alban 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:08.080 Easy's strategy was to try and neutralize them, to become 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:12.400 good faith consultants. But this is a position, of course, 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:15.680 that would leave them to remain forever the bridesmaid come 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:18.760 election day. The fact of the matter is that while 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:21.200 it is fine for the opposition to negotiate with the 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:26.000 government on policy that is broadly correct or helpful to 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:29.960 the national interest. Say, if we were talking about defense 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:35.080 or tax cuts or the like, well, yeah, that's okay, 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:38.800 get together work on a b bi partisan but let's 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:41.200 also be frank when it comes to this super tax. 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:45.840 And again, you cannot reiterate enough how much this is 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:48.880 not just about those people who happen to have three 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:52.520 million dollars socked away. It is about opening the door 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:55.960 to all sorts of asset classes to pay for the 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:59.719 government's profligate spending, which they have admitted will never come 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:02.240 down and which is going to see us in deficits 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:05.120 for the forward estimates for as long as the eye 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:08.320 can see. Well, you know what, when it comes to 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:11.560 this super tax, there is no way to roll in 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:16.840 glitter something like this. That is just so plain bad. 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:20.919 Because even if instead Labor does go to the Greens, 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:22.839 because they do have to go to the Greens to 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:25.640 get it to the Senate, and they make it worse, well, 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:30.320 the principle is what counts, and of course it is 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:34.560 principles that the Coalition need to rediscover if they want 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:39.719 to win office again on the coalition side. But we 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:42.440 know all that, but stick with me here because there 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:46.480 is something else I think fascinating going on here, and 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:50.719 that is the split within labor about how to deal 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:53.279 with this. It's not just a coalition question, it's a 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:57.200 labor problem too. Now on the labor side it has 0:06:57.240 --> 0:07:01.440 mostly been the Prime Minister Anthony Albinezi, ironically a creature 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:04.960 of the labor socialist left. You know, the guy who 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:09.239 goes out and fights Tories because that's what he does. 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:10.200 Well. 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:13.360 It's Anthony Albanezi who suggested that he was going to 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:16.280 be a bit open possibly to work with the coalition. 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:20.040 But it was Treasurer Jim Chalmers who comes from the 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:24.040 labor right and wrote his thesis about Paul Keating, who 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:26.720 is mister crash through or crash on all of this. 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:30.520 And that's because for the Treasurer of Jim Chalmer, he's 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:32.360 playing his own power games. I think you know what 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:36.040 some of those are. And while he may have studied Keating, 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:40.240 he learned his trade the treasury business working for the 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:44.960 big spending Wayne Swan, whose mineral mining resource red tax 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:50.000 was the supertax of its day. Now think back to 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:52.920 that those days. It was touted as going to be 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:57.400 this big hit on those scary rich miners. But as 0:07:57.440 --> 0:08:01.520 with the supertax, the tax raised no way near as 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:05.840 much as it promised. In fact, it costs the government 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:08.679 money in its first year before it was eventually speared 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:12.760 by Tony Abbott. Now the same will likely be true 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:17.360 of any supertax that the Labor Green Coalition manages to pass, 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:23.320 as it drives investors to simply change behaviors to ducket. 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:27.760 As with Labour's hostility to big minors, though it's not 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:31.360 really about the resources, it's not really about the revenue. No, 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:35.520 we know what this is about. The supertax is about 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:40.600 punishing well off independent retirees, independent farmers, people like that 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:46.079 who have had God help us, the temerity to accumulate 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:50.800 wealth for themselves, for their own retirement and their family 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:54.720 in a system designed by Paul Keating. And they didn't 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:57.040 do what they were supposed to do, which is just 0:08:57.480 --> 0:09:00.760 hand their money over to a union leader. Super fun 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:06.320 to manage, because remember, for the labor it's not your money, No, 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:12.520 it's all about your money giving them power. Now, I 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:14.720 want to move on to news from overseas, big news 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:17.400 out of the US where the past several hours, President 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:22.880 Donald Trump has just signed an executive order barring anyone 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:26.280 from a number of countries from entering the US. Among 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:34.200 the nations Afghanistan, Burma, Chad, Republic of Congo, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Haiti, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:37.240 and Yemen. Yes, I got them ball there in alphabetical 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:40.720 order for you. With their folks. Now, these are suspects, 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:43.120 as you can imagine. Well, they're all up at arms. 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:45.440 Oh no, it's like the Muslim ban in the first term. 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:51.359 But sorry, guys, this is what Donald Trump was elected 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:55.400 to do. This is not a buzzler ban or whatever 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:57.840 you want to call it. But when you dig through 0:09:57.840 --> 0:10:02.440 the executive order, which is very detailed and very full 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:06.640 of the rationale for this, you understand that what this 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:11.400 is about is American security and the security of the 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:15.560 American people. Now. I know it's a controversial idea on 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:18.959 the left that a president or a prime minister or 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:22.960 a leader might look after their own people, but as 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:25.800 he said, it's about security. It's about the fact that 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:29.240 people from these countries, well they're nations, they don't have 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:32.760 the ability, you know, with their own systems to exchange 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:35.320 information about people who apply for visas to go to 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:39.040 one country or the other, such as, for example, if 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:41.400 an Australian applies for a visa to go to the 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:45.360 United States, well there's databases and information exchanges in CHECKSI 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:47.719 you know, that's not a bad person when you get 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:51.559 that visa. And of course it was also about overstayers 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:55.320 and some of the countries I just mentioned, well their 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:59.000 countries have overstay rates, i e. The number of people 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:02.120 that come in on a visa and overstay that visa 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:05.600 and often don't leave. That's often more than twenty percent 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:09.040 with some of these And I know that sometimes when 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:11.200 I get a chance to speak with you, I talk 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:14.960 a lot about immigration. But there's a reason why, and 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:17.800 I think what Donald Trump is doing it's all about 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:24.000 this because immigration really is the everything issue, particularly for 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:28.560 a country like Australia. Everything is tied up in it, housing, 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:33.280 the economy, and these more nebulous ideas like social trust 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:38.840 and that all important word culture. Now here's a little 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:41.760 bit of what Donald Trump had to say today announcing 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:42.760 this package. 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:47.760 The recent terror attack in Boulder, Colorado has underscored the 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:51.480 extreme dangers posed to our country by the entry of 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:55.439 foreign nationals who are not properly vetted, as well as 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:59.280 those who come here as temporary visitors and overstay their 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:03.200 visas we don't want them. In the twenty first century, 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:06.640 we've seen one terror attack after another, carried out by 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:11.320 fari and visa overstairs from dangerous places all over the world, 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:15.839 And thanks to Biden's open door policies, today there are 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:18.760 millions and millions of these illegals. 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:19.800 Who should not be in our country. 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:24.640 Well, that's Donald Trump. They're being blunt and to the point. 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:28.959 And of course, as I foreshadowed, the usual suspects on 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:31.920 the left are all up in arms over this. Here's 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:34.160 Jen Saki, Do you remember her. She was the old 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:38.600 Joe Biden prese terry talking on MSNBC to Minnesota Democrats. 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:40.520 Enter Amy klobychar. 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:45.400 I think going after wholesale people who come in as 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:49.080 refugees as a mistake for our economy. Yah, it is 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:52.760 a mistake for our security, and it is obviously a 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:56.800 moral issue for me. 0:12:55.559 --> 0:12:56.240 Me as well. 0:12:56.320 --> 0:12:56.600 I mean. 0:12:56.800 --> 0:13:00.200 Trump cited the recent terror attack in Boulder, Colorado, in 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:02.480 a video he posted to excite and the suspect in 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:05.920 that attack is an Egyptian national. Egypt is not a 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:10.400 country listed in tonight's travel band, which tells you, I 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:13.839 think almost everything, even his own explanation doesn't make sense. 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:17.880 Isn't it funny how she said there? It tells you 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:22.840 almost everything, because there's a little detail here that Jensaki 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:25.320 being all very more realistic about the need to let 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:28.600 everybody from the entire world come into the United States, 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:32.520 no questions asked. And that is this the guy who 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:37.000 allegedly committed that atrocity in Boulder, Colorado the other day, 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:43.800 which involved fire bombing, throwing burning liquid onto elderly Jews 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:47.120 who were at a quiet vigil for hostages being held 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:51.440 by hamas well, the man who allegedly did that. He 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:56.360 was an Egyptian, yes, but also guess what he was 0:13:56.360 --> 0:14:00.559 in the country illegally? He was a visa over stayer 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:04.440 who was allowed to remain in the country by the 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:09.600 Biden administration, which also let him in. And now, of 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:12.040 course there's a huge fight with the Left which are 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:16.880 now trying to keep his family, also presumably not there legally, 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:20.760 from being deported. My god, what is wrong with these people? 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:24.200 The fact of the matter is the alleged Boulder fire 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:27.840 bomber shouldn't have been there in the first place, but 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:33.040 the Biden administration let him stay in the country. All 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:36.080 of this is why I think borders were such a 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:39.520 big issue at that last election, before Boldham, before any 0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:43.160 of the other other things, because the Democrats you saw 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:45.600 it there in that clip with Jensaki, You've seen it 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:51.160 for years, didn't level with the people about the consequences 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:54.200 of what they were doing and admit that for all 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:57.440 the lovely diversity and this and that, and maybe some 0:14:57.520 --> 0:15:00.800 parts of the economy benefited. Oh the gloriou the Cuisines 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:04.280 that we get. Well, you know what, there's a big 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:08.720 issue when you let social trust go by the wayside 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:12.280 on an issue like that. Because now we know that 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:15.800 the Democrats did not do it right. We know that 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:19.040 they are getting immigration wrong. They're just as you're doing 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:23.480 it in countries around the world, including Australia. Now we 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:26.240 don't have the same source of problems, thank god is 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:29.800 the United States, but we do have crowding, we have 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:32.560 housing issues. We have the fact that our economy is 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:34.920 now being propped up by mass migration that no one 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:39.160 asked for, but which both parties seem hell bent on continuing. 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:43.280 And we also know that when politicians don't play straight 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:45.680 with the people, like the Democrats I just showed you well, 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:50.560 voters move more out to the extreme, which is why 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:52.600 I wanted to just show you a little clip here 0:15:52.600 --> 0:15:56.040 from Denmark. Now we don't talk a lot about Denmark, 0:15:56.080 --> 0:15:59.680 but it turns out that Denmark is basically the only 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:02.240 country in Europe that has a handle on its migration 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:06.920 situation and which also levels with people about what they're doing, 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:11.400 why and what the consequences are. And this all clip's 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:13.040 been doing the rounds today and I want to share 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:16.160 it with you. It's a Danish politician talking to a 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:20.040 journal from the BBC, a journal from the United Kingdom, 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:23.880 which of course is right now being torn apart by immigration. 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:24.600 Have a look at this. 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:29.720 Unlike other European states, the government here publishes controversial and 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:34.040 worrying crime statistics. They revealed men from some non Western 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:36.880 backgrounds are as much as six times more likely to 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:42.000 commit violent crime than white Danes. The facts horrified voters. 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:48.640 You release crime statistics showing the nation of origin of 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:54.760 people convicted of violent offenses. Why have you been doing that? 0:16:54.760 --> 0:17:00.280 That's because a lot of people were feeling this. And 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:05.600 if we want to solve ordinary people's problems, then we 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:09.320 have to know which problems there are in society. And 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:14.280 there were a problem in society, and these high amounts 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:19.560 of crime rates reduces the trust or breaks the trust 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:22.440 between people living in our country. 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:27.040 Have you ever heard a politician in the English speaking 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:31.320 world speak so straight about the issue of immigration. Imagine that, 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:36.080 being straight with the people, leveling with them and asking 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:39.440 them what they want for and then doing it. Why 0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:42.399 imagine a country where they do that. It's almost like 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:45.119 there's a system with a name with a word that 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:53.040 sounds an awful lot like democracy. Hey, before I get 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:54.520 onto the panel, I want to bring you a bit 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:58.560 of breaking news. Detectives in Queensland have charged two individuals 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:02.160 with murder in relation to the disappearance of seventeen year 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:03.480 old Phoebe Bishop. 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:03.920 Now. 0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:07.440 Phoebe has not been seen or heard from since May fifteenth. 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:10.240 Police said tonight that a thirty four year old man 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:13.399 and a thirty three year old woman, understood to be 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:16.800 house bates, have been charged after multiple searches of a 0:18:16.880 --> 0:18:21.919 national park, a property near Bundenberg and a vehicle Phoebe's 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:25.399 remains have not been located, but the man and the 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:28.960 woman are due to appear in Bundenberg Magistrates Court tomorrow. 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:32.080 So breaking news there, folks. Now, let's go into our 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:35.720 all star panel tonight. Here joining me now is former 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:38.399 Speaker of the House you know well, folks, Bronwyn Bishop 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:42.080 and Sky News contributor and Daily Telegraph columnist and great 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:46.720 friend of mine, Joe Hildebrandt. Bronwyn, Joe, We've got so 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:49.359 much here to talk about. But I really think that 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:53.320 all of this fascinating stuff that's happening behind the scenes 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:55.720 as well as in front of the cameras over this 0:18:55.880 --> 0:19:01.439 issue of the supertax is absolutely fast. Now, Jim Chalburn 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:04.240 says been sort of portrayed as this kind of modern 0:19:04.320 --> 0:19:06.919 day Robinhood and he's going out now to get backing 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:09.280 from the Greens. Hey, I thought they weren't in coalition. 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:12.760 Who knew what? Apparently they are in the Senate. While 0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:15.040 everybody else is saying this is maybe not such a 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:17.000 good idea. Here's a little bit of ethny Aalbity is 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:17.640 earlier today. 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:20.879 Have a look, well, there's not anything new here. This 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:26.960 has been before the Parliament for about two years. Yes, yeah, 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:29.960 this says about this has been before the Parliament for 0:19:30.000 --> 0:19:34.679 about two years. What we need to do is to 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:38.159 make sure that our superannuation system is fair. 0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:44.840 Broad Bishop, I see you shaking your head about. We 0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:48.119 see this routine that the Prime Minister does all the 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:50.639 time where it's all what, it's perfectly reasonable. It's before 0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:53.280 the thing, you know, for the Parliament. It's Australian and 0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:55.720 that's what we do. Your reaction to. 0:19:55.680 --> 0:20:00.560 That, look, it makes me just see then, because what 0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:03.400 I'm seeing is that the Prime Minister and the Treasurer, 0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:06.440 with their big majority in the lower House and the 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:09.520 Greens as their de facto partners in the Senate, are 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:14.719 now so arrogant and so robust in their statements that 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:17.560 they can do anything they like, anything at all, to 0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:19.800 say that this stuff has been in the Parliament. It's 0:20:19.800 --> 0:20:22.440 been rejected every time it got into the Senate, which 0:20:22.480 --> 0:20:24.280 is why they don't want to sit until the new 0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:27.439 Senate is convened, when they could do their deal with 0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:31.239 the new senators who are in place. So it just 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:35.360 makes my blood boil that the reality of this pernicious 0:20:36.200 --> 0:20:41.119 and theft tax is going to be forced upon the 0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:45.000 people because unlike that when they'd said they're not going 0:20:45.040 --> 0:20:47.480 to do any deals with the Greens, they're in bed 0:20:47.480 --> 0:20:51.480 with them already, And for ALBERNISI to come out and say, oh, well, 0:20:51.520 --> 0:20:55.919 we're a subject to having a chat about maybe with 0:20:56.040 --> 0:21:00.359 the opposition, but June Chalmers comes in say, oh no, 0:21:00.480 --> 0:21:03.960 we'll take the Greens any day. So this pernicious tax, 0:21:04.000 --> 0:21:07.719 which is going to introduce a new concept, which incidentally 0:21:07.760 --> 0:21:11.280 came from Joe Biden in the first place, of taxing 0:21:11.400 --> 0:21:15.440 unrealized capital gains is a principle that has to be 0:21:15.600 --> 0:21:20.200 opposed and opposed and opposed, and should they force it through, 0:21:20.320 --> 0:21:22.560 it's got to be one where there's an undertaking to 0:21:22.640 --> 0:21:25.840 repeal it because it is just so such a wicked 0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:29.240 tax to impose upon people. And you watch once it's 0:21:29.280 --> 0:21:34.320 put in place, your friends will see it's getting out 0:21:34.320 --> 0:21:35.040 into other areas. 0:21:35.040 --> 0:21:37.600 Wasn't of the Morrison government that first put in the 0:21:37.920 --> 0:21:38.960 fifteen percent that we have. 0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:41.440 Now we're not talking about oh sorry, okay. 0:21:41.359 --> 0:21:43.880 Not talking about We're talking about what we're talking about, Joe. 0:21:44.040 --> 0:21:47.760 About putting a tax on unrealized capital gains, and that 0:21:47.920 --> 0:21:51.040 is something that has never happened in this country. By anybody. 0:21:51.080 --> 0:21:52.760 It came from Biden under. 0:21:52.720 --> 0:21:56.679 Their This's my question for you, Joe. You know you 0:21:56.800 --> 0:21:58.480 talk to these people, you talk to these people on 0:21:58.520 --> 0:22:02.280 the left. Why is it so important for labor to 0:22:02.359 --> 0:22:07.040 do this really highly contentious tax which we know is 0:22:07.080 --> 0:22:09.040 probably not going to raise a huge amount of money 0:22:09.040 --> 0:22:11.240 because these things that come in at the very top 0:22:11.320 --> 0:22:13.479 end of the scale, whether it's the top tax bracket 0:22:13.520 --> 0:22:15.040 or this sort of thing, it's only going to raise 0:22:15.040 --> 0:22:17.800 a few bucks. A lot of people are already shifting 0:22:17.840 --> 0:22:20.320 their money around so that they don't get hit by it. 0:22:20.600 --> 0:22:24.560 Why is it so absolutely important and why shouldn't we 0:22:24.600 --> 0:22:27.760 be suspicious that this is just the first thin edge 0:22:27.760 --> 0:22:30.840 of the wedge to get this principle bedded down, that 0:22:30.880 --> 0:22:34.600 we could go after other things besides, you know, your 0:22:34.640 --> 0:22:37.919 actual income and the money that an asset is spinning 0:22:37.920 --> 0:22:40.760 off through dividends or through capital gains sale. 0:22:41.280 --> 0:22:41.480 Yeah. 0:22:41.480 --> 0:22:43.320 Look, I think there are certainly god riles that the 0:22:43.359 --> 0:22:47.000 government could put around it, what even just to miswaze people, 0:22:47.040 --> 0:22:49.440 that's right, and they're not doing that. I think it's 0:22:49.480 --> 0:22:53.160 probably a matter of personal pride for Jim Chalmers, and 0:22:53.200 --> 0:22:55.960 he is, as is, you know, quite well known. I 0:22:56.000 --> 0:22:58.400 think someone who can be quite proud and quite stubborn 0:22:58.400 --> 0:23:00.240 about things at times. 0:23:00.359 --> 0:23:01.800 And again wants to reinvent it. 0:23:02.400 --> 0:23:06.040 And it wasn't particularly fond of that essay either, But 0:23:06.640 --> 0:23:09.600 he is someone who I think, you know, I mean, 0:23:09.840 --> 0:23:12.679 his position, obviously, I think, both publicly and privately, has 0:23:12.720 --> 0:23:15.840 been that all these concerns are just, you know, just a. 0:23:15.920 --> 0:23:16.560 Media beat up. 0:23:16.560 --> 0:23:19.160 It's just lies by news corporal or the Australian Financial 0:23:19.160 --> 0:23:21.880 Review or whatever. And my sort of response to that 0:23:22.280 --> 0:23:25.080 would be, well, so what who cares? Even if even 0:23:25.119 --> 0:23:28.080 if it is these are obviously concerns that people have. 0:23:28.840 --> 0:23:31.439 These these reports are not coming out of thin air. 0:23:31.480 --> 0:23:34.320 They are quoting people who are raising these concerns. Why 0:23:34.359 --> 0:23:37.480 not just if you're absolutely convinced that the family home 0:23:37.600 --> 0:23:40.560 or the family farm won't be affected, why wouldn't you 0:23:40.560 --> 0:23:43.000 just put in an explicit carve out that says the 0:23:43.000 --> 0:23:46.000 family home and the family farm cannot be counted in 0:23:46.000 --> 0:23:48.560 this three million dollar figure? Again, why wouldn't you just 0:23:48.640 --> 0:23:50.919 index it rather than saying well, someone else can just 0:23:51.119 --> 0:23:54.280 index it later on. So I support this, but I 0:23:54.320 --> 0:23:56.640 think it is it could be sold safer. 0:23:57.160 --> 0:24:00.399