Speaker 1: From the Sky News Center. This is Paul Murray.
Speaker 2: Live here on Paul Murray Live. I'm James Borrow, and
Speaker 2: we have got a huge coming up for you. We've
Speaker 2: got Brodwin, Bishop Joe Hildebrand here in the man Cave,
Speaker 2: plus James Ashby and Christy mcsweetey to bring you the
Speaker 2: big stories of the day. We might have some fun,
Speaker 2: we might have some fights, but we're gonna have a
Speaker 2: lot of laughs along the way. But before we get
Speaker 2: into that, well, I wish I had some better news
Speaker 2: for you tonight, folks, But I tell you what, Frankly,
Speaker 2: it's all looking a little bit grim. All right, Look,
Speaker 2: it's not all grim, and I'll get to the good
Speaker 2: news in a moment, but first we got to have
Speaker 2: a look at some basic facts of the matter. Now
Speaker 2: that we are a couple of weeks into a second
Speaker 2: Labor term and Prime Minister Anthony Alpinisi can no longer
Speaker 2: go out there claiming that, well, the only reason things
Speaker 2: are running off the rails is because we and Labor,
Speaker 2: as they're so fond of saying, are just cleaning up
Speaker 2: the mess left to us by the Coalition, which was
Speaker 2: of course basically the line that they ran with for
Speaker 2: the past three years.
Speaker 3: The mists that we inherited. There is a lot of
Speaker 3: mess to clean up.
Speaker 1: Another myss that the Albanezy government has to clean up.
Speaker 2: Cleaning up the mess? What does.
Speaker 4: Ah?
Speaker 2: Yes, but now it's clean up on Aisle Elbow now
Speaker 2: and somehow the coalition though we're not able to counter
Speaker 2: all of that stuff about the mess at the last election.
Speaker 2: But hey, we move on. The facts are what they are,
Speaker 2: and they are grim. We know that Australia's overall GDP
Speaker 2: is plateauing on a per capital basis. We're going backwards
Speaker 2: again for the ninth out of the last eleven quarters.
Speaker 2: Businesses are undertaking what can only be called a capital strike,
Speaker 2: meaning that they find our highly regulated economy simply not
Speaker 2: worth the risk of pumping more money into in terms
Speaker 2: of investment and in terms of productivity improvements, which should
Speaker 2: allow us to create more wealth with less work. Well,
Speaker 2: guess what, they're nowhere to be seen. So, given this
Speaker 2: set of circumstances, the ordinary person might think that the
Speaker 2: nation's treasurer would be doing everything in his power to
Speaker 2: get out of this malaise and reset the economy to boom.
Speaker 2: But no, that's not the Jim Chalmers Way. Treasurer Jim
Speaker 2: Talmers has instead decided that this is the hill he
Speaker 2: wishes to die on, instead taxing the unrealized gains of
Speaker 2: the nation's top yeer supernuation accounts. Which is where I
Speaker 2: have to say the good news comes in. You see,
Speaker 2: because yesterday at this time, there was a little bit
Speaker 2: of concern that the Coalition under the kinder and gentler
Speaker 2: Susan Lay and Shadow Treasurer Ted O'Brien might might decide
Speaker 2: to attempt some sort of negotiation with the government, you know,
Speaker 2: to put to bed all the old sledges by elbow
Speaker 2: about the Noalition, and that they might try and instead
Speaker 2: soften the edges work with Labor, put the policy through,
Speaker 2: but just simply soften the edge of this no good,
Speaker 2: very bad policy that would open the door eventually to
Speaker 2: at tax by the government on the family home and
Speaker 2: lord knows what other classes of assets. Well, that's not
Speaker 2: happening now. The Coalition has formally enshrined its opposition to
Speaker 2: labor Semer tax after Susan Lay's Shadow Cabinet Cabinet signed
Speaker 2: off on its first major policy position since Labour's landside
Speaker 2: May three. Electric victory. In a one hour virtual Shadow
Speaker 2: Cabinet meeting on Thursday morning, the first one convened since
Speaker 2: was laid the David Nationals leader David little Prown decided
Speaker 2: to keep the marriage back together well. The meeting was
Speaker 2: dominated by discussions on the government's super tax plan. Here's
Speaker 2: a bit of what Ted O'Brien had to say a
Speaker 2: little bit after the meeting today.
Speaker 5: Labor's super tax, it's super big, it's super bad. We
Speaker 5: will it definitely as a coalition oppose this unfair supertax
Speaker 5: of Labor's every step of the way.
Speaker 2: Thank you and hollylujah. This is exactly what the new
Speaker 2: party room should have decided. I just can't believe that
Speaker 2: it took them so long to do so. Now, the
Speaker 2: answer to the question why is very simple. See luring
Speaker 2: the coalition into talks over the supertax. That was a
Speaker 2: trap Labor set for the new Shadow treasure O'Brien, who
Speaker 2: we just saw there at his party room, because alban
Speaker 2: Easy's strategy was to try and neutralize them, to become
Speaker 2: good faith consultants. But this is a position, of course,
Speaker 2: that would leave them to remain forever the bridesmaid come
Speaker 2: election day. The fact of the matter is that while
Speaker 2: it is fine for the opposition to negotiate with the
Speaker 2: government on policy that is broadly correct or helpful to
Speaker 2: the national interest. Say, if we were talking about defense
Speaker 2: or tax cuts or the like, well, yeah, that's okay,
Speaker 2: get together work on a b bi partisan but let's
Speaker 2: also be frank when it comes to this super tax.
Speaker 2: And again, you cannot reiterate enough how much this is
Speaker 2: not just about those people who happen to have three
Speaker 2: million dollars socked away. It is about opening the door
Speaker 2: to all sorts of asset classes to pay for the
Speaker 2: government's profligate spending, which they have admitted will never come
Speaker 2: down and which is going to see us in deficits
Speaker 2: for the forward estimates for as long as the eye
Speaker 2: can see. Well, you know what, when it comes to
Speaker 2: this super tax, there is no way to roll in
Speaker 2: glitter something like this. That is just so plain bad.
Speaker 2: Because even if instead Labor does go to the Greens,
Speaker 2: because they do have to go to the Greens to
Speaker 2: get it to the Senate, and they make it worse, well,
Speaker 2: the principle is what counts, and of course it is
Speaker 2: principles that the Coalition need to rediscover if they want
Speaker 2: to win office again on the coalition side. But we
Speaker 2: know all that, but stick with me here because there
Speaker 2: is something else I think fascinating going on here, and
Speaker 2: that is the split within labor about how to deal
Speaker 2: with this. It's not just a coalition question, it's a
Speaker 2: labor problem too. Now on the labor side it has
Speaker 2: mostly been the Prime Minister Anthony Albinezi, ironically a creature
Speaker 2: of the labor socialist left. You know, the guy who
Speaker 2: goes out and fights Tories because that's what he does.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: It's Anthony Albanezi who suggested that he was going to
Speaker 2: be a bit open possibly to work with the coalition.
Speaker 2: But it was Treasurer Jim Chalmers who comes from the
Speaker 2: labor right and wrote his thesis about Paul Keating, who
Speaker 2: is mister crash through or crash on all of this.
Speaker 2: And that's because for the Treasurer of Jim Chalmer, he's
Speaker 2: playing his own power games. I think you know what
Speaker 2: some of those are. And while he may have studied Keating,
Speaker 2: he learned his trade the treasury business working for the
Speaker 2: big spending Wayne Swan, whose mineral mining resource red tax
Speaker 2: was the supertax of its day. Now think back to
Speaker 2: that those days. It was touted as going to be
Speaker 2: this big hit on those scary rich miners. But as
Speaker 2: with the supertax, the tax raised no way near as
Speaker 2: much as it promised. In fact, it costs the government
Speaker 2: money in its first year before it was eventually speared
Speaker 2: by Tony Abbott. Now the same will likely be true
Speaker 2: of any supertax that the Labor Green Coalition manages to pass,
Speaker 2: as it drives investors to simply change behaviors to ducket.
Speaker 2: As with Labour's hostility to big minors, though it's not
Speaker 2: really about the resources, it's not really about the revenue. No,
Speaker 2: we know what this is about. The supertax is about
Speaker 2: punishing well off independent retirees, independent farmers, people like that
Speaker 2: who have had God help us, the temerity to accumulate
Speaker 2: wealth for themselves, for their own retirement and their family
Speaker 2: in a system designed by Paul Keating. And they didn't
Speaker 2: do what they were supposed to do, which is just
Speaker 2: hand their money over to a union leader. Super fun
Speaker 2: to manage, because remember, for the labor it's not your money, No,
Speaker 2: it's all about your money giving them power. Now, I
Speaker 2: want to move on to news from overseas, big news
Speaker 2: out of the US where the past several hours, President
Speaker 2: Donald Trump has just signed an executive order barring anyone
Speaker 2: from a number of countries from entering the US. Among
Speaker 2: the nations Afghanistan, Burma, Chad, Republic of Congo, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Haiti, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan,
Speaker 2: and Yemen. Yes, I got them ball there in alphabetical
Speaker 2: order for you. With their folks. Now, these are suspects,
Speaker 2: as you can imagine. Well, they're all up at arms.
Speaker 2: Oh no, it's like the Muslim ban in the first term.
Speaker 2: But sorry, guys, this is what Donald Trump was elected
Speaker 2: to do. This is not a buzzler ban or whatever
Speaker 2: you want to call it. But when you dig through
Speaker 2: the executive order, which is very detailed and very full
Speaker 2: of the rationale for this, you understand that what this
Speaker 2: is about is American security and the security of the
Speaker 2: American people. Now. I know it's a controversial idea on
Speaker 2: the left that a president or a prime minister or
Speaker 2: a leader might look after their own people, but as
Speaker 2: he said, it's about security. It's about the fact that
Speaker 2: people from these countries, well they're nations, they don't have
Speaker 2: the ability, you know, with their own systems to exchange
Speaker 2: information about people who apply for visas to go to
Speaker 2: one country or the other, such as, for example, if
Speaker 2: an Australian applies for a visa to go to the
Speaker 2: United States, well there's databases and information exchanges in CHECKSI
Speaker 2: you know, that's not a bad person when you get
Speaker 2: that visa. And of course it was also about overstayers
Speaker 2: and some of the countries I just mentioned, well their
Speaker 2: countries have overstay rates, i e. The number of people
Speaker 2: that come in on a visa and overstay that visa
Speaker 2: and often don't leave. That's often more than twenty percent
Speaker 2: with some of these And I know that sometimes when
Speaker 2: I get a chance to speak with you, I talk
Speaker 2: a lot about immigration. But there's a reason why, and
Speaker 2: I think what Donald Trump is doing it's all about
Speaker 2: this because immigration really is the everything issue, particularly for
Speaker 2: a country like Australia. Everything is tied up in it, housing,
Speaker 2: the economy, and these more nebulous ideas like social trust
Speaker 2: and that all important word culture. Now here's a little
Speaker 2: bit of what Donald Trump had to say today announcing
Speaker 2: this package.
Speaker 6: The recent terror attack in Boulder, Colorado has underscored the
Speaker 6: extreme dangers posed to our country by the entry of
Speaker 6: foreign nationals who are not properly vetted, as well as
Speaker 6: those who come here as temporary visitors and overstay their
Speaker 6: visas we don't want them. In the twenty first century,
Speaker 6: we've seen one terror attack after another, carried out by
Speaker 6: fari and visa overstairs from dangerous places all over the world,
Speaker 6: And thanks to Biden's open door policies, today there are
Speaker 6: millions and millions of these illegals.
Speaker 7: Who should not be in our country.
Speaker 2: Well, that's Donald Trump. They're being blunt and to the point.
Speaker 2: And of course, as I foreshadowed, the usual suspects on
Speaker 2: the left are all up in arms over this. Here's
Speaker 2: Jen Saki, Do you remember her. She was the old
Speaker 2: Joe Biden prese terry talking on MSNBC to Minnesota Democrats.
Speaker 2: Enter Amy klobychar.
Speaker 8: I think going after wholesale people who come in as
Speaker 8: refugees as a mistake for our economy. Yah, it is
Speaker 8: a mistake for our security, and it is obviously a
Speaker 8: moral issue for me.
Speaker 9: Me as well.
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 9: Trump cited the recent terror attack in Boulder, Colorado, in
Speaker 9: a video he posted to excite and the suspect in
Speaker 9: that attack is an Egyptian national. Egypt is not a
Speaker 9: country listed in tonight's travel band, which tells you, I
Speaker 9: think almost everything, even his own explanation doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2: Isn't it funny how she said there? It tells you
Speaker 2: almost everything, because there's a little detail here that Jensaki
Speaker 2: being all very more realistic about the need to let
Speaker 2: everybody from the entire world come into the United States,
Speaker 2: no questions asked. And that is this the guy who
Speaker 2: allegedly committed that atrocity in Boulder, Colorado the other day,
Speaker 2: which involved fire bombing, throwing burning liquid onto elderly Jews
Speaker 2: who were at a quiet vigil for hostages being held
Speaker 2: by hamas well, the man who allegedly did that. He
Speaker 2: was an Egyptian, yes, but also guess what he was
Speaker 2: in the country illegally? He was a visa over stayer
Speaker 2: who was allowed to remain in the country by the
Speaker 2: Biden administration, which also let him in. And now, of
Speaker 2: course there's a huge fight with the Left which are
Speaker 2: now trying to keep his family, also presumably not there legally,
Speaker 2: from being deported. My god, what is wrong with these people?
Speaker 2: The fact of the matter is the alleged Boulder fire
Speaker 2: bomber shouldn't have been there in the first place, but
Speaker 2: the Biden administration let him stay in the country. All
Speaker 2: of this is why I think borders were such a
Speaker 2: big issue at that last election, before Boldham, before any
Speaker 2: of the other other things, because the Democrats you saw
Speaker 2: it there in that clip with Jensaki, You've seen it
Speaker 2: for years, didn't level with the people about the consequences
Speaker 2: of what they were doing and admit that for all
Speaker 2: the lovely diversity and this and that, and maybe some
Speaker 2: parts of the economy benefited. Oh the gloriou the Cuisines
Speaker 2: that we get. Well, you know what, there's a big
Speaker 2: issue when you let social trust go by the wayside
Speaker 2: on an issue like that. Because now we know that
Speaker 2: the Democrats did not do it right. We know that
Speaker 2: they are getting immigration wrong. They're just as you're doing
Speaker 2: it in countries around the world, including Australia. Now we
Speaker 2: don't have the same source of problems, thank god is
Speaker 2: the United States, but we do have crowding, we have
Speaker 2: housing issues. We have the fact that our economy is
Speaker 2: now being propped up by mass migration that no one
Speaker 2: asked for, but which both parties seem hell bent on continuing.
Speaker 2: And we also know that when politicians don't play straight
Speaker 2: with the people, like the Democrats I just showed you well,
Speaker 2: voters move more out to the extreme, which is why
Speaker 2: I wanted to just show you a little clip here
Speaker 2: from Denmark. Now we don't talk a lot about Denmark,
Speaker 2: but it turns out that Denmark is basically the only
Speaker 2: country in Europe that has a handle on its migration
Speaker 2: situation and which also levels with people about what they're doing,
Speaker 2: why and what the consequences are. And this all clip's
Speaker 2: been doing the rounds today and I want to share
Speaker 2: it with you. It's a Danish politician talking to a
Speaker 2: journal from the BBC, a journal from the United Kingdom,
Speaker 2: which of course is right now being torn apart by immigration.
Speaker 2: Have a look at this.
Speaker 3: Unlike other European states, the government here publishes controversial and
Speaker 3: worrying crime statistics. They revealed men from some non Western
Speaker 3: backgrounds are as much as six times more likely to
Speaker 3: commit violent crime than white Danes. The facts horrified voters.
Speaker 3: You release crime statistics showing the nation of origin of
Speaker 3: people convicted of violent offenses. Why have you been doing that?
Speaker 7: That's because a lot of people were feeling this. And
Speaker 7: if we want to solve ordinary people's problems, then we
Speaker 7: have to know which problems there are in society. And
Speaker 7: there were a problem in society, and these high amounts
Speaker 7: of crime rates reduces the trust or breaks the trust
Speaker 7: between people living in our country.
Speaker 2: Have you ever heard a politician in the English speaking
Speaker 2: world speak so straight about the issue of immigration. Imagine that,
Speaker 2: being straight with the people, leveling with them and asking
Speaker 2: them what they want for and then doing it. Why
Speaker 2: imagine a country where they do that. It's almost like
Speaker 2: there's a system with a name with a word that
Speaker 2: sounds an awful lot like democracy. Hey, before I get
Speaker 2: onto the panel, I want to bring you a bit
Speaker 2: of breaking news. Detectives in Queensland have charged two individuals
Speaker 2: with murder in relation to the disappearance of seventeen year
Speaker 2: old Phoebe Bishop.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Phoebe has not been seen or heard from since May fifteenth.
Speaker 2: Police said tonight that a thirty four year old man
Speaker 2: and a thirty three year old woman, understood to be
Speaker 2: house bates, have been charged after multiple searches of a
Speaker 2: national park, a property near Bundenberg and a vehicle Phoebe's
Speaker 2: remains have not been located, but the man and the
Speaker 2: woman are due to appear in Bundenberg Magistrates Court tomorrow.
Speaker 2: So breaking news there, folks. Now, let's go into our
Speaker 2: all star panel tonight. Here joining me now is former
Speaker 2: Speaker of the House you know well, folks, Bronwyn Bishop
Speaker 2: and Sky News contributor and Daily Telegraph columnist and great
Speaker 2: friend of mine, Joe Hildebrandt. Bronwyn, Joe, We've got so
Speaker 2: much here to talk about. But I really think that
Speaker 2: all of this fascinating stuff that's happening behind the scenes
Speaker 2: as well as in front of the cameras over this
Speaker 2: issue of the supertax is absolutely fast. Now, Jim Chalburn
Speaker 2: says been sort of portrayed as this kind of modern
Speaker 2: day Robinhood and he's going out now to get backing
Speaker 2: from the Greens. Hey, I thought they weren't in coalition.
Speaker 2: Who knew what? Apparently they are in the Senate. While
Speaker 2: everybody else is saying this is maybe not such a
Speaker 2: good idea. Here's a little bit of ethny Aalbity is
Speaker 2: earlier today.
Speaker 10: Have a look, well, there's not anything new here. This
Speaker 10: has been before the Parliament for about two years. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 10: this says about this has been before the Parliament for
Speaker 10: about two years. What we need to do is to
Speaker 10: make sure that our superannuation system is fair.
Speaker 2: Broad Bishop, I see you shaking your head about. We
Speaker 2: see this routine that the Prime Minister does all the
Speaker 2: time where it's all what, it's perfectly reasonable. It's before
Speaker 2: the thing, you know, for the Parliament. It's Australian and
Speaker 2: that's what we do. Your reaction to.
Speaker 11: That, look, it makes me just see then, because what
Speaker 11: I'm seeing is that the Prime Minister and the Treasurer,
Speaker 11: with their big majority in the lower House and the
Speaker 11: Greens as their de facto partners in the Senate, are
Speaker 11: now so arrogant and so robust in their statements that
Speaker 11: they can do anything they like, anything at all, to
Speaker 11: say that this stuff has been in the Parliament. It's
Speaker 11: been rejected every time it got into the Senate, which
Speaker 11: is why they don't want to sit until the new
Speaker 11: Senate is convened, when they could do their deal with
Speaker 11: the new senators who are in place. So it just
Speaker 11: makes my blood boil that the reality of this pernicious
Speaker 11: and theft tax is going to be forced upon the
Speaker 11: people because unlike that when they'd said they're not going
Speaker 11: to do any deals with the Greens, they're in bed
Speaker 11: with them already, And for ALBERNISI to come out and say, oh, well,
Speaker 11: we're a subject to having a chat about maybe with
Speaker 11: the opposition, but June Chalmers comes in say, oh no,
Speaker 11: we'll take the Greens any day. So this pernicious tax,
Speaker 11: which is going to introduce a new concept, which incidentally
Speaker 11: came from Joe Biden in the first place, of taxing
Speaker 11: unrealized capital gains is a principle that has to be
Speaker 11: opposed and opposed and opposed, and should they force it through,
Speaker 11: it's got to be one where there's an undertaking to
Speaker 11: repeal it because it is just so such a wicked
Speaker 11: tax to impose upon people. And you watch once it's
Speaker 11: put in place, your friends will see it's getting out
Speaker 11: into other areas.
Speaker 12: Wasn't of the Morrison government that first put in the
Speaker 12: fifteen percent that we have.
Speaker 11: Now we're not talking about oh sorry, okay.
Speaker 2: Not talking about We're talking about what we're talking about, Joe.
Speaker 11: About putting a tax on unrealized capital gains, and that
Speaker 11: is something that has never happened in this country. By anybody.
Speaker 11: It came from Biden under.
Speaker 2: Their This's my question for you, Joe. You know you
Speaker 2: talk to these people, you talk to these people on
Speaker 2: the left. Why is it so important for labor to
Speaker 2: do this really highly contentious tax which we know is
Speaker 2: probably not going to raise a huge amount of money
Speaker 2: because these things that come in at the very top
Speaker 2: end of the scale, whether it's the top tax bracket
Speaker 2: or this sort of thing, it's only going to raise
Speaker 2: a few bucks. A lot of people are already shifting
Speaker 2: their money around so that they don't get hit by it.
Speaker 2: Why is it so absolutely important and why shouldn't we
Speaker 2: be suspicious that this is just the first thin edge
Speaker 2: of the wedge to get this principle bedded down, that
Speaker 2: we could go after other things besides, you know, your
Speaker 2: actual income and the money that an asset is spinning
Speaker 2: off through dividends or through capital gains sale.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 12: Look, I think there are certainly god riles that the
Speaker 12: government could put around it, what even just to miswaze people,
Speaker 12: that's right, and they're not doing that. I think it's
Speaker 12: probably a matter of personal pride for Jim Chalmers, and
Speaker 12: he is, as is, you know, quite well known. I
Speaker 12: think someone who can be quite proud and quite stubborn
Speaker 12: about things at times.
Speaker 3: And again wants to reinvent it.
Speaker 12: And it wasn't particularly fond of that essay either, But
Speaker 12: he is someone who I think, you know, I mean,
Speaker 12: his position, obviously, I think, both publicly and privately, has
Speaker 12: been that all these concerns are just, you know, just a.
Speaker 1: Media beat up.
Speaker 12: It's just lies by news corporal or the Australian Financial
Speaker 12: Review or whatever. And my sort of response to that
Speaker 12: would be, well, so what who cares? Even if even
Speaker 12: if it is these are obviously concerns that people have.
Speaker 12: These these reports are not coming out of thin air.
Speaker 12: They are quoting people who are raising these concerns. Why
Speaker 12: not just if you're absolutely convinced that the family home
Speaker 12: or the family farm won't be affected, why wouldn't you
Speaker 12: just put in an explicit carve out that says the
Speaker 12: family home and the family farm cannot be counted in
Speaker 12: this three million dollar figure? Again, why wouldn't you just
Speaker 12: index it rather than saying well, someone else can just
Speaker 12: index it later on. So I support this, but I
Speaker 12: think it is it could be sold safer.
Speaker 11: But this is because the arrogance is there it says
Speaker 11: we can now do what we like and screw everybody else.
Speaker 12: But it has been there, It's been there, But it's
Speaker 12: been there, it has been fantastic.
Speaker 11: Doesn't matter it was rejected.
Speaker 12: But it's happened to have anything to do with you.
Speaker 11: Just remember, just remember in two thousand and four when
Speaker 11: John Howard got a great big majority and one four
Speaker 11: senators of which Barnaby Joyce was the fourth, came in
Speaker 11: which allowed work choices. This is their work choice.
Speaker 2: I think there's a great lesson in all of this year.
Speaker 2: I think work choice is a great analogy to this.
Speaker 2: I think the hubris of getting what is it ninety
Speaker 2: three seats or whatever like that, hubris meets nemesis every
Speaker 2: day of the week.
Speaker 12: Joe, Yeah, except I just think that she again, as
Speaker 12: John Howard also said, politics is about the sheer, you know,
Speaker 12: undeniable iron laws of arithmetic and the number of people
Speaker 12: that this effects compared to the number of people work.
Speaker 2: But the po the pointo office, the iron laws are arithmetic,
Speaker 2: and what do we want to on the topic. But
Speaker 2: the are law of arithmetic is that labor actually did
Speaker 2: not win a huge primary voting. It wasn't like there
Speaker 2: was a mass round swell of people voting for labor,
Speaker 2: but the number will be not today today today anyway, Hey,
Speaker 2: let's move on here, because we spoke about and I
Speaker 2: talked about this Trump banning people from different countries coming in.
Speaker 2: This is all part of a munch broader border control
Speaker 2: program that he's been running. And it's about terrorism, is
Speaker 2: about security, it's about the economy. It's about a lot
Speaker 2: of things that people, frankly here are afraid to talk
Speaker 2: about here. And I wanted to bring up and get
Speaker 2: you guys to react to that Danish politician that I
Speaker 2: just showed you a clip of because I thought that
Speaker 2: was fascinating because it was a real breath of fresh
Speaker 2: air to hear a politician say not everybody who comes
Speaker 2: winds up working out wonderfully. Do we in Australia need
Speaker 2: to start having harder conversations about the size of our
Speaker 2: immigration intake. I know we don't have the same of
Speaker 2: the same problems as the United States, but you talk
Speaker 2: to people, people are feeling stressed from traffic, social cohesion, schools,
Speaker 2: everything broad with this, we got to say that the
Speaker 2: whole mass being Australia think did start under the Howard government.
Speaker 2: There was an awful lot of that that began during
Speaker 2: that era. Is it time to tap the brakes?
Speaker 11: Well, the hard doctrine was that Australians will determine who
Speaker 11: comes to this country and the manner in which they
Speaker 11: will come. Now, if you take that doctrine and apply
Speaker 11: it not only to both people as it was initially,
Speaker 11: and apply it to a more broader scheme, then you
Speaker 11: can develop an immigration policy which it allows people to
Speaker 11: become part of our culture and not here to overturn
Speaker 11: our culture. And that's something that's being felt right across
Speaker 11: the Western world, where you hear Istama even start to
Speaker 11: talk about it. And Trump, the one thing you can
Speaker 11: say about him is he is, truly, I think, the
Speaker 11: only politician who gets elected and then delivers on what
Speaker 11: he said he do and people are horrified because they said, oh,
Speaker 11: but but but but he shouldn't do that. Well, he
Speaker 11: said he would, So I think it is a question
Speaker 11: that is really people are feeling more and more, and
Speaker 11: not just in the area of housing and congestion of
Speaker 11: those issues, but every morning when I listen to a
Speaker 11: radio broadcast, I hear about some shooting or stabbing of
Speaker 11: people who are now in gangs which are becoming frenched seemingly.
Speaker 11: We have an anti gun policy here, but it doesn't
Speaker 11: apply to criminal So I think there is need for
Speaker 11: us to look much more, particularly about that doctrine. We
Speaker 11: will determine who comes and the manner in which they come.
Speaker 2: Joe, do you think that that labor has I mean,
Speaker 2: labor's now in power. The Liberals have now basically said well,
Speaker 2: we're going to look at everything. We're not going to
Speaker 2: to any sort of number now, but you look at
Speaker 2: the UK, you look at Canada was possibly a better
Speaker 2: sort of comparison. Is this issue going to start to
Speaker 2: bite for labor when they need people to come in
Speaker 2: to keep the economy looking sweet? But every planeload means
Speaker 2: the market just means that you're not going to have
Speaker 2: enough housing for everybody, and it's making it tough for
Speaker 2: people who here and can vote and are going to
Speaker 2: start to really feel the pitch. Is labor setting itself
Speaker 2: up for a problem here?
Speaker 12: I think there are two different issues, and both the
Speaker 12: potentially potential problems. The first is there's nothing progressive. There's
Speaker 12: nothing compassionate about unchecked migration and open borders. There is
Speaker 12: nothing progressive about saying you just get in a boat
Speaker 12: and if you happen to survive the journey, congratulations, will
Speaker 12: give you a visa. We've tried that, Labor's tried that.
Speaker 12: It was deadly for the people involved, and it was
Speaker 12: deadly for the prime minister involved. It was one of
Speaker 12: the two big reasons that Kevin Rudd ended up getting rolled.
Speaker 12: Is absolutely insane. You have to be able to control
Speaker 12: your borders, and I think you know, Labor, like Kirstarma,
Speaker 12: recognizes that now. And the one thing the Democrats were
Speaker 12: really really stupid about when Joe Biden got elected was
Speaker 12: overturning all the stuff that Donald Trump had previously done
Speaker 12: when they could have actually just kept it in place
Speaker 12: and then blamed all the bad stuff on him. That
Speaker 12: was the most politically stupid thing ever. The second thing
Speaker 12: is overall levels of migration, planned migration, skilled migration, and
Speaker 12: whether it's too high. I think we've obviously saught this
Speaker 12: massive surge after COVID where you were sort of making
Speaker 12: up for all those lost years. The numbers have now
Speaker 12: been cut dramatically by the hundreds of thousands.
Speaker 2: Well, we'll see about that hopefully those pressures. But hey,
Speaker 2: before I let you guys go. We've got to go
Speaker 2: and break a second with Brounwell. I need to ask
Speaker 2: you about this whole controversy about the Liberal Party and women.
Speaker 2: We had those comments that went around there were I
Speaker 2: think largely manipulated by people, you know, with lesson good will.
Speaker 2: Shall we see about women in the Liberal Party and
Speaker 2: that we might Oh, I don't know from of action
Speaker 2: for men, because all the women are so now effective
Speaker 2: and strong and assertive. Of your reaction to that, broadly
Speaker 2: because you are a living proof right here that women
Speaker 2: can make it in the Liberal Party.
Speaker 11: I've been first to do it many times. No others
Speaker 11: have followed, so it's true. But the important thing to
Speaker 11: know here is this is really a fight for the
Speaker 11: so corporate the left of the Liberal Party who want
Speaker 11: the administration gone. They want to take it back. You
Speaker 11: remember it was Horwin who was the one who failed.
Speaker 11: Oh yeah, the nominations of the councilors and the repercussions
Speaker 11: of that are huge. But they want to get control
Speaker 11: back and this so pa quote what you will has
Speaker 11: been given them the ammunition de father shots and it'll
Speaker 11: probably work.
Speaker 2: Give it to them on a silver platter anyway, got
Speaker 2: to leave it. Dear guys, now, don't go anywhere after
Speaker 2: the break. Thanks, So what's Hue Hildebrand, Broadle Bishop for
Speaker 2: your time today, But you don't go anywhere. Stick around
Speaker 2: after the break. More fired debit on this and so
Speaker 2: much more with Christi bmcsweeney and James Ashby after the break.
Speaker 2: Stick around. Hey, welcome back to the program. James Borrow
Speaker 2: here filling in for Paul Murray Live. Thanks so much
Speaker 2: for being part of the conversation tonight. Now let's keep
Speaker 2: it rolling here joining me on the panel. The next
Speaker 2: panel is PR Council Managing Director Christop McSweeney and One
Speaker 2: Nation Chief of Staff James Ashby. Lady gentlemen, I want
Speaker 2: to keep it going here and talk about this whole
Speaker 2: issue of the women in politics. We covered off a
Speaker 2: little bit of it with Brown Bishop beforehead, but this
Speaker 2: is really starting to turn into quite the little firestorm here.
Speaker 2: Here's a little bit of what Bridge McKenzie had say
Speaker 2: earlier today.
Speaker 4: I think Allen's problem was assertive women as opposed to wallflowers,
Speaker 4: and I think we need more assertive women because we
Speaker 4: have to fight for the future of our country and
Speaker 4: our communities. That's why you send us to places like Canberra,
Speaker 4: and I think we shouldn't take it backward step in
Speaker 4: doing that.
Speaker 2: And here's what Anthony Alberizi had said.
Speaker 10: There are more more women in the Labor Caucus in
Speaker 10: the House of Representatives whose first name begins in a
Speaker 10: literally than there are liberals and national women on the
Speaker 10: floor of the House of Representatives.
Speaker 2: First of all, is it just me or are we
Speaker 2: seeing so much of Albanisi in a hard hat and
Speaker 2: high viz that you think Scott Morris's back in power?
Speaker 2: But seriously, though, Christophercsweetey, you are an assertive woman, what
Speaker 2: do you make of all of this issue? Was Adam
Speaker 2: Stockfield taken out of context? Is this a beat up?
Speaker 2: Or does do the Liberals really have real work to do,
Speaker 2: particularly when you look at the primary vote intentions of women,
Speaker 2: preticularly those under forty five. Where does this all go
Speaker 2: for the Libs? How much of this is coming from
Speaker 2: inside the House? To talk us through it?
Speaker 13: Christy, Well, first of all, I'll put it out there
Speaker 13: that the reason why this has been how it was reported,
Speaker 13: I think to the media is because we've got a
Speaker 13: really unusual situation where the right of the party is against.
Speaker 1: Is it.
Speaker 13: The right of the party wants a break up between
Speaker 13: the federal intervention and the moderates of the party don't
Speaker 13: want it either. But then they're on opposing sides of
Speaker 13: how the Liberal Party should go forward. They're all agreed
Speaker 13: that the state branch should be free of federal interference,
Speaker 13: particularly of people from Melbourne, which is of course Alan Stockdale,
Speaker 13: former politician here in Victoria who made those comments, and
Speaker 13: Richard olsten Form how a government communications minister who's also
Speaker 13: been appointed two leader panel of how the new South
Speaker 13: Wales division will sort out its ongoing factional war. So
Speaker 13: we've got both factions on a bit of a unity
Speaker 13: ticket talking about these comments, using them against each other.
Speaker 13: But however, we've also seen the Prime Minister be able
Speaker 13: to again make his point which is resonating with the
Speaker 13: Australian public, that Labor is the party of women, that
Speaker 13: the Liberal Party has a perception issue with women. And
Speaker 13: I think if we have people who are party elders
Speaker 13: or custodians of our brand, they have to be aware
Speaker 13: that hey, you know, things get reported these days. You
Speaker 13: know memo to people from before the Internet, which is
Speaker 13: of course what a lot of people out there think
Speaker 13: the Liberal parties run by Now it's not, but that's
Speaker 13: a perception when the women of Australia see really old
Speaker 13: guy saying comments about women in the Liberal Party and
Speaker 13: in politics in general, and that adds to that perception
Speaker 13: and it's a huge contrast with the Libor Party. The
Speaker 13: Prime Minister is utilizing that and perception is reality. He's
Speaker 13: right to do it because it's really working for him
Speaker 13: at the moment. I have unpacked the issue about issue
Speaker 13: of women in the Liberal Party, why we don't have
Speaker 13: enough of them, you know, pacing the financial A lot
Speaker 13: of people didn't agree with me, but I'm for it.
Speaker 2: But look, I think there's a fascinating thing here too
Speaker 2: that you touch on. You know, not only the factional
Speaker 2: warfare within New South Wales and the Moderates and you know,
Speaker 2: all the nonsense that they can get up to, but
Speaker 2: James Ashby Christy makes another fascinating point here, a suggestion
Speaker 2: that really, on some level this gender issue is almost
Speaker 2: a proxy for generation. You know that this is about
Speaker 2: generational change and that it's coming, it's being expressed through
Speaker 2: the lens of gender. Is there a problem in both
Speaker 2: major parties when it comes to getting that younger generation
Speaker 2: of voters engaged in politics. And where do you see
Speaker 2: the role of minor parties like your own in potentially
Speaker 2: filling some of those gaps where the big institutional parties,
Speaker 2: be they the Libs or the Labor Party, fall through
Speaker 2: the cracks.
Speaker 14: Well, I'll stop by saying one nation have never had
Speaker 14: a problem with women. We've had a woman lead our
Speaker 14: party for almost thirty years now, James.
Speaker 1: But I also don't see a major problem in our
Speaker 1: parliament either with women. We've got three leaders now.
Speaker 14: The Greens have got a female leader, the Liberals have
Speaker 14: got a female leader.
Speaker 1: One nation's got a female leader.
Speaker 14: And that's pretty good without having quoters in every party.
Speaker 1: I think it's quite great. I think we've made.
Speaker 14: Allowances in our parliament now where we've got family friendly
Speaker 14: hours so to speak.
Speaker 1: We don't sit during school holidays. You know, all those
Speaker 1: things have gone a long way.
Speaker 14: But I must say, if you're not fit for parliament,
Speaker 14: as in, if you can't and I don't care where
Speaker 14: you're male or female here, if you can't handle the
Speaker 14: rough and tumble of the place, don't go there because
Speaker 14: it's a rough joint. If you've got thin skin don't
Speaker 14: enter politics. And a lot of women don't like the
Speaker 14: rough and tumble.
Speaker 1: I get it. They'd rather spend more time at home,
Speaker 1: and they don't want to.
Speaker 14: Get into the weeds of debate, and they certainly don't
Speaker 14: like having disagreements with people.
Speaker 1: You know, that is part of politics, and women need
Speaker 1: to be aware of that.
Speaker 14: If you want to enter it, you have to be
Speaker 14: thick skinned and you must be aware that it's not
Speaker 14: for wilting lillies.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Christian, what has just picked up something
Speaker 2: that Dave's just said there? Because I got to see
Speaker 2: you want to pick up well, I want to pick
Speaker 2: up a little bit here. Do you want me to
Speaker 2: talk about just a bit about because well just one thing,
Speaker 2: just one thing, just one thing, because if you tipped
Speaker 2: out of Parliament everybody who's thin skinned, there'd be a
Speaker 2: pile of men and women there as well. So I
Speaker 2: just I just wonder if, yeah, if you know, we
Speaker 2: do have a number of gents who are also the
Speaker 2: sort of the thin skin Persuadi and Christy.
Speaker 13: Well, I think with the men they refer to it
Speaker 13: as the glass jaw James, and I will support James
Speaker 13: as well. You know, one nation was founded by you know,
Speaker 13: Senator Pauline Hanson, by a woman. She is a survivor
Speaker 13: of the Australian Parliament. They have tried to say that
Speaker 13: she wasn't going to survive many many times, and she
Speaker 13: keeps coming back, and she's been attacked by the Coalition,
Speaker 13: by Labor, and you know, the Australian public continues to
Speaker 13: welcome her back into the Australian Parliament and you know,
Speaker 13: tribute to her and her work over the past three decades.
Speaker 13: But I also will say look, first of all, yes,
Speaker 13: there are female leaders in Parliament. The Coalition has a
Speaker 13: Senate leadership team that's female. We've had female opposition leaders.
Speaker 13: The Premier or the Chief Ministry of the Northern Territory
Speaker 13: is a female Coalition chief minister.
Speaker 6: But the.
Speaker 13: Gender percentage of women in our party room is at
Speaker 13: twenty percent. Its struggled to get above twenty to twenty
Speaker 13: three percent for the last twenty odd years.
Speaker 4: That means there's a.
Speaker 13: Structural problem in the selection of candidates. And part of
Speaker 13: that structural problem in the selection of candidates is a
Speaker 13: selection process which favors people who turn up to twenty
Speaker 13: five different events a week and put in work for
Speaker 13: the party, and there's a reality that if you're a
Speaker 13: woman raising children, juggling your career, perhaps caring for aging parents,
Speaker 13: you cannot turn up to twenty five events a week, whereas,
Speaker 13: in contrast, a lot of men can because you know,
Speaker 13: if they have a family, they have a wife at
Speaker 13: home looking after those children, or they're.
Speaker 15: Sharing the parenting.
Speaker 13: It's just reality and the Liberal party structures need to
Speaker 13: change to reflect that.
Speaker 2: Oh look, I wish I could do twenty five events week,
Speaker 2: but I'm here talking to you guys on skydews. Hey, look,
Speaker 2: hold it there, because we've got so much to talk about.
Speaker 2: After the break, we're gonna have a little break here
Speaker 2: and then let's talk about indigenous leadership and whether there's
Speaker 2: need for generational changes there, and also what is going
Speaker 2: on down in Tasmania. It is absolutely bonkers down to
Speaker 2: the Apple Aisle. Stick around after the break, more debate,
Speaker 2: more chat coming up. Welcome back to the program. James
Speaker 2: Morrow here filling in for Paul Murray Live. Hey, look,
Speaker 2: got a great panel here, James ashby Christophcswey. James, I
Speaker 2: want to start with you on the next topic here,
Speaker 2: big story here. Pat Anderson, one of the country's best
Speaker 2: known indigenous advocates. She has said that it is time
Speaker 2: for an eviction notice. She said for those indigenous elders
Speaker 2: who have been in the room with government for decades
Speaker 2: and have failed to achieve positive change for the nation's
Speaker 2: aboriginal communities. She said that the same people have spoken
Speaker 2: for the mob in both transparent and non transparent ways.
Speaker 2: They've been the desert drivers of various policy agendas for
Speaker 2: thirty forty years and obviously there's still a big gap
Speaker 2: to be closed, and awful lot of problems in a
Speaker 2: lot of communities. She's in the Northern Territory, you're in Queensland.
Speaker 1: Tell us Is she right?
Speaker 2: And is it time for a complete rethink of the
Speaker 2: way that Australia manages the way that we help and
Speaker 2: deal with our indigenous brethren.
Speaker 14: I partly agree with what she's saying because of the
Speaker 14: simple fact that the systems that we have been working
Speaker 14: with are failing. Pauline Hansen, myself and other One Nation
Speaker 14: members Malcolm Roberts go into Indigenous communities on a regular basis.
Speaker 14: Some work really well, and then you've got those ones
Speaker 14: that are just repeat offenders, and doesn't matter how much
Speaker 14: money you throw out these causes.
Speaker 1: Some of these towns just don't want to thrive.
Speaker 14: And I've seen some of the best, most fantastic schools
Speaker 14: equipped with free breakfasts, free lunchers, great teachers, well equipped
Speaker 14: better than some of our community schools here, public schools
Speaker 14: around where I live in Yupoon. But the kids they
Speaker 14: still don't turn up to school. Parents don't encourage their
Speaker 14: kids to go to school. Kids aren't going to school.
Speaker 14: Fair kids just have got such an opportunity ahead of
Speaker 14: them with the way in which we fund opportunities for them.
Speaker 14: But when the parents don't drive them, when the parents
Speaker 14: are out gambling or drinking. And this isn't all the time,
Speaker 14: but this is an overwhelming number of people that are
Speaker 14: disadvantaging their own children. And we're not closing the gap,
Speaker 14: We're only making things worse. But the thing that I
Speaker 14: don't agree with pat On is that every Aboriginal should
Speaker 14: have a say in this. Reflecting on the simple facts
Speaker 14: she wants to bring back the voice Australia has voted
Speaker 14: not to that absolutely got to be able to move forward.
Speaker 14: But we've got to move forward as Australians. That's a
Speaker 14: simple fact, James. We do not need great division in
Speaker 14: this country. Something has to change otherwise we're just going
Speaker 14: to continue wasting good money after.
Speaker 2: Bad I think you got that absolutely right, James asked me, Hey, Christy,
Speaker 2: I want to talk to you about what is going
Speaker 2: on down in Tasmania. We don't talk about Tasmania anywhere
Speaker 2: near enough in this country. It's a beautiful state. Hobart
Speaker 2: is one of my favorite cities on the planet. But
Speaker 2: they've just had this crazy no confidence vote in the
Speaker 2: Premier Jeremy Rockcliff, tell me what has happened down here well,
Speaker 2: and what does this portend for Tasmania because they've gotten
Speaker 2: themselves into a huge financial hall. Labor says they want
Speaker 2: to take the reins, but you know that that's only
Speaker 2: going to make things worse.
Speaker 13: Look, Tasmania is now looking at its fourth election within
Speaker 13: seven years. They've only had one fifteen months ago. So
Speaker 13: if anybody feels like, oh, that was only you know,
Speaker 13: very recent, it was the reason for this is that
Speaker 13: while the while the Liberal Party did form a government,
Speaker 13: they had to form it cobbling through a lot of
Speaker 13: minority interests with the Crossbach Labor has come today as
Speaker 13: saying that there is over expenditure, which includes the AFL
Speaker 13: Stadium for the new AFL team. Now the AFL has
Speaker 13: said that the Tasmanian government had to put in something.
Speaker 13: The stadium was to cost seven hundred and fifty million,
Speaker 13: it's now blown out to over a billion dollars. The
Speaker 13: premier made a commitment in his election speech that he
Speaker 13: would only spend something like just over three hundred and
Speaker 13: fifty million on it, I think, and now of course
Speaker 13: it's almost tripled in an expense, So that's a commitment
Speaker 13: that Labor Party is saying that he's left the state
Speaker 13: into financial disrepair. On there's issues with the Tasmanian health system.
Speaker 13: They're perennial. The other thing is that the Rockcliffe government
Speaker 13: has commissioned the building of new Spirit of tasmanias and
Speaker 13: they're the ferry crossing ships for want of a better word,
Speaker 13: that carry people across a bass stroke from Melbourne to
Speaker 13: Spirit of Tasmania, pillar of Tasmania's tourism industry. But the
Speaker 13: ships cannot come to Tasmania even though they're nearly built,
Speaker 13: because the government hasn't provided a birth or for them
Speaker 13: to dock at. So there's a number of controversial issues
Speaker 13: in Tasmania and the Labor opposition leader has taken this
Speaker 13: as an opportunity to force the Premier to go to
Speaker 13: the governor and say we're going to have an election
Speaker 13: because he knows that the Liberal Party isn't going to
Speaker 13: elect a new leader. And also the opposition leader has
Speaker 13: refused to test his ability to form a government on
Speaker 13: the floor of the parliament, forcing Tasmanians into an election.
Speaker 2: Jesus, it's a mess.
Speaker 1: It's a muddle.
Speaker 2: It's a massive models. I see you're shaking your head here.
Speaker 14: Yeah, well, it's the most over governed state in the
Speaker 14: whole country. Thirty five state parliamentarians. Then you've got twelve
Speaker 14: senators down there federally another five Lower House members and
Speaker 14: they still can't get their act together. All those counselors
Speaker 14: as well. I just keep seeing the money thrown at
Speaker 14: politicians and it is just a s show. Let's face it,
Speaker 14: there's only thirty five of these parliamentarians in the state
Speaker 14: and it acts worse than a classroom with a few
Speaker 14: less kids in it.
Speaker 1: It's dreadful.
Speaker 14: And to think that, as Christy said, they haven't even
Speaker 14: lasted six day months and they're calling for another election.
Speaker 14: It's embarrassing and both major parties should be ashamed of themselves.
Speaker 14: The only reason labor A keme to go to another
Speaker 14: election is because they don't want to govern in a
Speaker 14: coalition with the Greens here. So that's why it will
Speaker 14: go back to the polls and it will happen rather quickly.
Speaker 2: James Asky, I cannot believe that you're suggesting that there's
Speaker 2: any jurisdiction in Australia that's over governed. I mean, come on,
Speaker 2: Paris the thought rut of the day. Thank you so
Speaker 2: much for your insights on TAZ Media Tasmania. We love you,
Speaker 2: not necessarily government, but we love your peena wire anyway,
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. James Ashby Christiy hicksweety don't go away.
Speaker 2: I'll be back with the final thought after the ring.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the program. James Mara here for Paul
Speaker 2: Murray Live, and before I hand off this evening. As
Speaker 2: you probably know, I'm a New Yorker. I come from
Speaker 2: the United States and I follow American news very passionately
Speaker 2: here and I was catching up on news from the
Speaker 2: old hometown before I came on air tonight, and I
Speaker 2: saw some of a debate that the Democrat mayoral candidates
Speaker 2: for Mayor of New York we're having, and I think
Speaker 2: it tells us a lot about where US Democrats are overall.
Speaker 2: Have a look at this.
Speaker 15: It's the Donald Trump administration will use the fact that
Speaker 15: they fund seven percent of our city budget as leverage
Speaker 15: over us to try and give up whichever category of
Speaker 15: New Yorkers they are pursuing in that day.
Speaker 16: We have to keep ICE out of our hospitals, out
Speaker 16: of our schools, out of our houses of worship, out
Speaker 16: of any public institution, and really limit cooperation of ICE
Speaker 16: with the NYPD.
Speaker 15: I want to make sure that, as with so many.
Speaker 16: Lawyers, our immigrants have lawyers, and our immigrants do what
Speaker 16: they came here to do.
Speaker 17: Absolutely warn people before they walk into ICE. I want
Speaker 17: to expand NYC care so it's not just in health
Speaker 17: and hospitals, but in our federally qualified health centers as well.
Speaker 4: That'll make sure, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2: And there was a lot more too, including raising taxes,
Speaker 2: interfering in the housing market, and a whole lot of
Speaker 2: other hard left stuff. And what it told me here
Speaker 2: was that after the shellacking that the Democrats got in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, they still don't get it. In fact,
Speaker 2: they're still running on a program of open borders, mass
Speaker 2: migration and of course all sorts of other socialists nonsense.
Speaker 2: It's not what the people voted for, and in fact
Speaker 2: it was rejected at the election. They've got a bit
Speaker 2: of a problem, bit like our own liberals right now
Speaker 2: in Australia. They don't know quite why they lost and
Speaker 2: they don't fully know what they believe in to take
Speaker 2: them to the next election. A lesson for everybody and
Speaker 2: all that. That's all the time I've got tonight, But
Speaker 2: stick around here. You can watch me tomorrow night at
Speaker 2: eight on the US Report. And here's the Late Debate
Speaker 2: coming up next