WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 2 June

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<v Speaker 1>From the Sky New Center.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Paul Murray Live. Good Ewnick, thank you very

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<v Speaker 2>much for watching massive show. Tonight's no time to muck around.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the biggest concerns people have is about whether

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<v Speaker 2>their kids will be able to ever afford a house. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I know there's always the intergenerational fight between this generation

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<v Speaker 2>that you did it, No, you did it. No, you're

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<v Speaker 2>not working hard enough. You've got a too e who cares, right,

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<v Speaker 2>But the reality is that there are hundreds of thousands

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<v Speaker 2>of people who desperately would love to get a joint

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<v Speaker 2>sometime soon. But it's just ever every week, month, year,

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<v Speaker 2>clicking away from them. And tonight I can tell you

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<v Speaker 2>that the average median house price in the capital cities

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<v Speaker 2>of Australia is now one million dollars. Now, median is

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<v Speaker 2>not average, of course, you take the most expensive house

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<v Speaker 2>and then there's the least expensive property unit. Whatever the

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<v Speaker 2>number right in the middle, that's the median. But today

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<v Speaker 2>we learned just how wild some of these prices actually are.

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<v Speaker 2>If you actually have a look at the median price

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<v Speaker 2>across all of the capital cities right now, including Canberra,

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to get eight hundred and seventy seven thousand dollars. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>that is the median okay, from the smallest, crappiest little

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<v Speaker 2>one bedroom something somewhere on the absolute fringe next to

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<v Speaker 2>the train station, to the pink house that's filled with ghosts.

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<v Speaker 2>In terms of Sydney, it's one point one million dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a new record for the median house price

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<v Speaker 2>in Sydney. In Melbourne much more affordable, seven hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>eighty two thousand dollars. The market that is somewhere between

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<v Speaker 2>Sydney and Melbourne is Brisbane. Now right now, according to

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<v Speaker 2>the data, the Brisbane housing market is at absolute peak.

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<v Speaker 2>It just keeps going up. The median house price in

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<v Speaker 2>the CBD or the metro area I should say, of

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<v Speaker 2>Brisbane eight hundred and eighty nine thousand dollars. Now, normally,

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<v Speaker 2>if I just mentioned Sidney, Melbourne and Brisbane, someone will

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<v Speaker 2>send me an email from somewhere else, and rightly so, Paul,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a national show. What are the numbers where I live? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>we've got those too. Today the median house price was

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<v Speaker 2>revealed in Camber. It'll be eight hundred and fifty six

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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars, so a little bit under Brusban, but still

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<v Speaker 2>way in front of Melbourne Adelaide eight hundred and five thousand,

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<v Speaker 2>again higher than Melbourne Perth eight hundred, seven hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>eighty seven, higher than the median price or just under

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<v Speaker 2>I should say in Melbourne. Then if you call this affordable,

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<v Speaker 2>Hobart six hundred and eighty five thousand dollars median price

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<v Speaker 2>Darwin five hundred and thirty five thousand, and as I

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned before about Canberra at eight hundred and fifty six,

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<v Speaker 2>that was put out today by the prop Track people. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>as you know, we love regional Australia. We get to

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<v Speaker 2>visit it at least once a month where we do

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<v Speaker 2>our towns and I love every little bit of where

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<v Speaker 2>we go. And it doesn't matter that it could be

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<v Speaker 2>the fog of Tawombird to the side of the road

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<v Speaker 2>in Western Australia, playing a little bit of two up

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<v Speaker 2>in Calgooley. You know, I love seeing as much of

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<v Speaker 2>this country and despite the fact we've been doing it

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<v Speaker 2>for years, we've still got a mega and massive list

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<v Speaker 2>of places to see in regional Australia. But the assumption

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<v Speaker 2>a ways is oh well, the house prices are cheaper

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<v Speaker 2>there and yes, if you're comparing Sydney at one point

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<v Speaker 2>one million dollars, regional areas are cheaper. But again, if

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<v Speaker 2>people say, well, yeah, this is the better house, just

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<v Speaker 2>go further out now, all that's true, But even if

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<v Speaker 2>further out is the option, it's still pretty expensive. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>these numbers are for the month of April, so this

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<v Speaker 2>is about as up to date as you could possibly

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<v Speaker 2>be when it comes to these numbers. Outside of Sydney

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<v Speaker 2>seven hundred and fifty one thousand dollars, outside of Brisbane,

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<v Speaker 2>seven hundred and thirty three one thousand dollars outside of

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<v Speaker 2>Melbourne and Perth, bang on the same number five hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and seventy eight thousand dollars outside of Hobart five hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and twenty six thousand dollars. If you really want some

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<v Speaker 2>value and pretty good lifestyle, you got a place like

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<v Speaker 2>Renmark in South Australia four hundred and eighty six one

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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars and the Northern Territory outside of Darwin four

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and sixteen thousand. Now, of course, one of the

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<v Speaker 2>reasons why the prices keep going up is because there's

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<v Speaker 2>only X number of houses, but due to population growth,

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<v Speaker 2>both natural and immigration, not to mention intergenerationally, kids growing up,

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<v Speaker 2>moving partners, coming together and splitting up. There are more

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<v Speaker 2>people than ever before that are looking for homes, but

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<v Speaker 2>there are not the number of homes available for the

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<v Speaker 2>number of people who are trying to look for them.

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<v Speaker 2>Put simply, if demand is bigger than supply, well then

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<v Speaker 2>the cost goes up, meaning those with the most amount

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<v Speaker 2>of money you're able to get a joint. Those who

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<v Speaker 2>don't just have to sit on the sidelines. And then

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<v Speaker 2>we get ourselves into the issues in and around the

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<v Speaker 2>rental market, where of course more people chasing fewer properties

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<v Speaker 2>because few are being built, but also because many properties

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<v Speaker 2>that previously may well have been rented out for six

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<v Speaker 2>or twelve months, well if they're in a reasonable enough spot.

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<v Speaker 2>People like to airbnb and can almost get a year's

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<v Speaker 2>worth of money out of doing it weekend to weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>So cities have to look for new places to build.

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<v Speaker 2>And yes, it always seems like it's further and further out,

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<v Speaker 2>further and further up and down in terms of the

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<v Speaker 2>north and south, and also up in the suburb that

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<v Speaker 2>you were born in, in the suburb that you live

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<v Speaker 2>in, in the suburb where you may well have had your

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<v Speaker 2>first house if you went back to that street. There's

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<v Speaker 2>probably a pretty good chance that what used to be

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<v Speaker 2>quarter acre blocks are now starting to become high rise.

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<v Speaker 2>And we know that there was a suggestion of about

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five thousand new homes, and by that we mean

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<v Speaker 2>units that we're going to go in on the Rosehill

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<v Speaker 2>race Course site not too far from Paramatta in western Sydney.

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<v Speaker 2>The people who are the members of the Australian Turf

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<v Speaker 2>Club they said no to that, so that idea is

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<v Speaker 2>off the table, but a new idea is being suggested

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<v Speaker 2>as to where there could well be tens of thousands

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<v Speaker 2>of new places for homes in and around Sydney. Now

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<v Speaker 2>I get a national story, and there's lots of versions

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<v Speaker 2>of this story playing, but I'm just going to focus

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<v Speaker 2>in specifically on one area in Sydney. The Inner West

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<v Speaker 2>of Sydney is a place which is filled with absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>stunning homes, but they're normally smaller homes. They end up

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<v Speaker 2>being sort of either not quite Federation, but they're basically

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<v Speaker 2>sort of little two story terraces. And that's the way

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<v Speaker 2>it is. Suburb after suburb after suburb, and there's only

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<v Speaker 2>one place that is open fields and that is what

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<v Speaker 2>used to be a passenger terminal which then became a

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<v Speaker 2>cargo terminal, which is on a place called Glebe Island.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the Anzac Bridge which is next to it that

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<v Speaker 2>connects the Inner West or should I say Balmain Leichhart

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<v Speaker 2>over across to Piermont and the inner city of Sydney. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>that big patch of concrete that you can see is

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<v Speaker 2>where for years when cars have come off ships they

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<v Speaker 2>all get unloaded there. That's a major place where cars

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<v Speaker 2>will be dropped off. But the nusowa's government is talking

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<v Speaker 2>about turning that entire patch into tens of thousands of homes.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, either side of the bridge there are plans

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<v Speaker 2>in the Inner West Bays precinct. The areas which you

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<v Speaker 2>were in red here are all areas that where high

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<v Speaker 2>density housing could end up going in. So all the

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<v Speaker 2>people who are currently living in sort of the one

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<v Speaker 2>two story lovely little places and they are gorgeous, absolutely gorgeous,

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<v Speaker 2>but they are now going to have to feel what

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<v Speaker 2>every other suburban Sydney in particular has had to feel,

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<v Speaker 2>which is get ready for a heck of a lot

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<v Speaker 2>more units. So you may well be able to if

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<v Speaker 2>you lean this way and lean that way and stand up,

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<v Speaker 2>you might be able to see just a flicker of water. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>of course all of that will be gone. Why should

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<v Speaker 2>up through the roof now? The chances of any of

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<v Speaker 2>this happening anytime soon rather remote unless the Nusouals government

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<v Speaker 2>just basically plays a heavy hand and says, whether you

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<v Speaker 2>like it or not, we're getting it now. These areas.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe Labour will go hard at because these are areas

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<v Speaker 2>which now have Greens members in the state parliament. So

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<v Speaker 2>why would the Mustweld's Labour party care. But it's a

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<v Speaker 2>perfect example. There are sites in Brisbane, there are sites

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<v Speaker 2>in Melbourne that are very close to the city that

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<v Speaker 2>are currently being used for a whole collection of other things.

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<v Speaker 2>Will there be a day when those things are shut down,

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<v Speaker 2>leveled off and what replaces them are not one or

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<v Speaker 2>two bedrooms, not quardu acre houses, but instead shun sum

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<v Speaker 2>sum sum. Because hundreds of thousands of people come into

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<v Speaker 2>the country, let alone the hundreds of thousands who have

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<v Speaker 2>enough money to go looking for a place of their own,

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<v Speaker 2>and this particular area, I'll be fascinated to see the

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<v Speaker 2>battle that takes place there. Because the very same part

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<v Speaker 2>of Sydney is one that I mentioned last night that

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<v Speaker 2>is playing a very big not in my backyard, a

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<v Speaker 2>nimby game. You see within viewing distance of this big

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<v Speaker 2>patch of concrete is the suburb of Boomin, formerly working class.

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<v Speaker 2>My grandfather grew up there, told me the different stories

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<v Speaker 2>that literally what are now multimillion dollar units was an

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<v Speaker 2>old factory where he and others used to line up

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<v Speaker 2>for work each and every day. And whether you've got

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<v Speaker 2>it or not during the depression will of course meant

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<v Speaker 2>whether the family was going to eat well or not. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>But as you can see, the bell tower of a

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<v Speaker 2>church is in the middle of the photo. To the

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<v Speaker 2>right of it is where you can see what might

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<v Speaker 2>be the place where all of these new houses go.

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<v Speaker 2>Will the residents be fine with very high rise buildings

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<v Speaker 2>in those areas, methinks not because that church, As I

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<v Speaker 2>told you last night, that church is an outrage to

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<v Speaker 2>some people in the local area because it's planning to

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<v Speaker 2>buy some new bells and whack some new bells into

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<v Speaker 2>the bell tower. Now, despite the fact the church has

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<v Speaker 2>been there since nineteen oh seven, people that have moved

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<v Speaker 2>in near the church in the years since nineteen oh seven,

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<v Speaker 2>and our complaining to the local council. They're not allowed

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<v Speaker 2>to have the bells because, among other things, it will

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<v Speaker 2>disturb babies crying or babies trying to sleep, I say.

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<v Speaker 2>And some people are complaining because they're twenty meters away

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<v Speaker 2>from the bell tower that's been there since nineteen oh seven.

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<v Speaker 2>You see, it's all well and good for the people

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<v Speaker 2>who live in the absolute inner urban areas that assume

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<v Speaker 2>because the rest of the street is terrace houses and

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<v Speaker 2>at the end of the street there's a lovely little

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<v Speaker 2>dog park that those areas will never change. So they're

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<v Speaker 2>often the ones that are really cool with big Australia,

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<v Speaker 2>with high numbers of immigration, people who believe that, of

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<v Speaker 2>course we should have a renewable energy system. But God

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<v Speaker 2>forbid if anyone wanted to put a wind farm in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle of those dog parks. You see, this will

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<v Speaker 2>be the challenge of housing in the next few years.

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<v Speaker 2>Who will be able to afford these properties. Now, obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>if they're high rise units and one side's looking back

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<v Speaker 2>towards some concrete pillars, probably not going to be as

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<v Speaker 2>valuable as the one that's looking out onto the edges

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<v Speaker 2>of Sydney Harbor. Fascinated to see in the next few

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<v Speaker 2>years if the people who want your area to change,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly in regional Australia where bugger what you think about

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<v Speaker 2>solo farms and wind farms, whether they are going to

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<v Speaker 2>be fine for their areas to look vastly different than

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<v Speaker 2>the way they used to because in part they've cheered

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<v Speaker 2>on the problem. More people, not enough houses do as

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the Australian Defense Minister met with the US

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<v Speaker 2>Defense Secretary. Nice little touch of the pocket square. Not

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<v Speaker 2>generally a pocket square man, but I like the red,

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<v Speaker 2>white and blue of the American flag there on Pete

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<v Speaker 2>hegsitff nice little look. And you may all have heard

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<v Speaker 2>what the news has been out of this, and I

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<v Speaker 2>know that several of my mates say here tonight, have

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<v Speaker 2>been talking about it. Well.

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<v Speaker 3>America is once again urging Australia to increase it of

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<v Speaker 3>military spending.

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<v Speaker 2>The Trump administration has put our country on notice.

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<v Speaker 3>Donald Trump's White House has put an exact figure on

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<v Speaker 3>how much it wants Australia to increase defense spending.

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<v Speaker 4>The Prime Minister has brushed off a demand from the

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<v Speaker 4>United States to boost defense spending.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, of course Orange Man bad remember every suggestion from him.

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<v Speaker 2>If the Prime Minister says no, no, no, no no,

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<v Speaker 2>then to the majority of people in this country who

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<v Speaker 2>don't like Donald Trump, then it's a win.

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<v Speaker 5>What you should do in defense has decide what you need,

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<v Speaker 5>your capability, and then provide for it. That's what my

0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:28.960
<v Speaker 5>government's doing, investing in our capability and investing in our relationships.

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<v Speaker 5>That's what we are doing. That's what we will continue

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<v Speaker 5>to do now Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>But this standard of three percent, four percent, five percent

0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:41.520
<v Speaker 2>of gross domestic product is not spending as much on

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<v Speaker 2>defense as the United States would like. And obviously that

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<v Speaker 2>in part is because we've gone okay, we've got to

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<v Speaker 2>have a defense force. But if things really got serious,

0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:52.880
<v Speaker 2>the Americans would somehow be able to come and save.

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<v Speaker 2>This be pretty difficult if they had to get on

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<v Speaker 2>a ship or take a couple of days to get

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<v Speaker 2>here when it comes to assets. But that's the way

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<v Speaker 2>we're run. But I wanted to mention something different here.

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<v Speaker 2>And this doesn't mean that we shouldn't spend more money,

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<v Speaker 2>but also it is to temper down the idea that

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<v Speaker 2>we're not spending any money when it comes to defense.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, over the past twenty years, we have dramatically

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<v Speaker 2>increased the amount of money that we spend on defense. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I had to look at the budget papers for two

0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:22.120
<v Speaker 2>thousand and five and fifteen point six billion, which in

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<v Speaker 2>today's dollars is twenty six and a half billion dollars,

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<v Speaker 2>compares to fifty one billion dollars, so basically double over

0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:32.720
<v Speaker 2>twenty years now. On the side, there's a whole bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of money of course for Orcus and the three hundred

0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:37.439
<v Speaker 2>billion dollars when it comes to subs, but that number

0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:39.920
<v Speaker 2>is double where we were twenty years ago. But that

0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:43.520
<v Speaker 2>number is still basically about half or under half of

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<v Speaker 2>what the Americans would like us to be able to do.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think, sure, there's billions of dollars, and I

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<v Speaker 2>would probably be spending more money on missisles rather than

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<v Speaker 2>the ships that take forever to get from the South

0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:57.920
<v Speaker 2>to the top round into the Pacific button. I'm not

0:13:57.920 --> 0:13:59.800
<v Speaker 2>going to pretend to be a defense military analyst. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just a bloke on TV. But perhaps one of the

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<v Speaker 2>reasons why Australia is not going to be spending any

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<v Speaker 2>more money on defense is because before I show you,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you think the number one thing is that

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<v Speaker 2>we spend the most amount of money on in our

0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:18.600
<v Speaker 2>federal budget. Now, Greens and lefties will turn around and say, oh,

0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:20.760
<v Speaker 2>it's definitely defense, right, like, surely we're pulling it up

0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:22.840
<v Speaker 2>at the wall with the new submarines and that they're

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<v Speaker 2>doubling on twenty years. No. You see, if you have

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<v Speaker 2>a look at the federal budget that was released earlier

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<v Speaker 2>this year, the number one thing we spend our money

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<v Speaker 2>on is that little section in blue, social Security and welfare.

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<v Speaker 2>Social Security and welfare now is thirty seven percent of

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<v Speaker 2>the federal budget. Health is fifteen percent, Defense is almost seven, sorry,

0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:51.120
<v Speaker 2>is almost six and a half, and education is at seven.

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<v Speaker 2>So for all the conversation about defense spending and should

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<v Speaker 2>we double it, well, even if we did double it

0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:59.000
<v Speaker 2>and maybe it became, say twelve percent, maybe it became

0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:02.040
<v Speaker 2>one hundred billion dollars, you'd still be way behind what

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<v Speaker 2>the actual money they spend on, which is social security

0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:11.160
<v Speaker 2>and welfare. To put this in dollar terms, about how

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<v Speaker 2>over the past twenty years, the country's population has grown,

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<v Speaker 2>but the amount of money being spent in the federal

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<v Speaker 2>budget has grown way more than that. When it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to social security and welfare, and of course you can't

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<v Speaker 2>touch it, you can't talk about it, because why we're

0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:28.320
<v Speaker 2>getting close to half the country that's got its hand

0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:31.400
<v Speaker 2>out for something. In two thousand and five, eighty seven

0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:34.680
<v Speaker 2>billion dollars or one hundred and fifty billion dollars in

0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:37.400
<v Speaker 2>today's money, is how much we spent on social security

0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:40.440
<v Speaker 2>and welfare. Just before I show, you have a guess,

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<v Speaker 2>just have a wild guess. How much do you think

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<v Speaker 2>that's gone up in twenty years? One hundred and forty

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<v Speaker 2>nine billion, maybe two hundred billion, maybe two hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>fifty billion, No, two hundred and ninety one billion dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>The welfare bill in Australia has gone up by ninety

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<v Speaker 2>four percent. Australia's population has not gone up by ninety

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<v Speaker 2>four percent. In fact, in two thousand and five it

0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:09.880
<v Speaker 2>was about twenty million, it's now twenty seven million. The

0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:14.720
<v Speaker 2>increase in population is thirty seven percent. The increase in

0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:20.600
<v Speaker 2>the welfare bill is ninety four percent, from one hundred

0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:22.880
<v Speaker 2>and fifty billion back then to two hundred and ninety

0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:27.840
<v Speaker 2>billion now. So yes, the welfare bill is going to

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<v Speaker 2>go up because the number of people that we have

0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:36.480
<v Speaker 2>here is more than it was twenty years ago. But

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<v Speaker 2>every single year, every single government for the past twenty years,

0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:45.120
<v Speaker 2>produces a federal budget. And the expectation of the federal

0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:49.680
<v Speaker 2>budget is what's in it for you, or from the

0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:53.800
<v Speaker 2>voter perspective, what's in it for me? And every single

0:16:53.920 --> 0:17:01.800
<v Speaker 2>year labor liberal left, far left, center right government has

0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:04.960
<v Speaker 2>to produce something that the newspapers can put on the

0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:07.000
<v Speaker 2>front page, that we can talk about on television, that

0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:09.040
<v Speaker 2>is the good is in the budget. Well, guess what

0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:11.720
<v Speaker 2>eventually happens when you have a culture that is addicted

0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:17.280
<v Speaker 2>to that. It means that the total spending on welfare

0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:24.040
<v Speaker 2>again goes from one hundred and fifty billion dollars to

0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:30.280
<v Speaker 2>almost three hundred billion dollars, an increase of ninety four percent,

0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:34.440
<v Speaker 2>when the population has only increased by thirty seven percent.

0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:37.720
<v Speaker 2>It didn't go up by fifty, it didn't go up

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<v Speaker 2>by sixty, it didn't go up by seventy five or

0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:43.159
<v Speaker 2>wine or by ninety four percent. And those are billions

0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:45.640
<v Speaker 2>of dollars that we could spend on education or defense,

0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:50.080
<v Speaker 2>we could spend on health, we could increase in every

0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:54.440
<v Speaker 2>other area. But because the size of government, via welfare

0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:58.080
<v Speaker 2>is thirty seven percent of the entire chunk of change.

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<v Speaker 2>That is why we are in part in a world

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<v Speaker 2>of trouble. That is why we are in one trillion

0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:08.359
<v Speaker 2>dollars of debt. That is why we will move to

0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:11.119
<v Speaker 2>one point two trillion dollars of debt before the next election.

0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:14.080
<v Speaker 2>That is why there will be budget deficits not for

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<v Speaker 2>the next five or ten, but for the next forty years.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's a solution to all of this, and it

0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:24.639
<v Speaker 2>was freely being offered in the pages of the City

0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:28.480
<v Speaker 2>Morning Herald and the Age today. We should just increase taxes,

0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:31.040
<v Speaker 2>with a whole bunch of quotes from people saying we're

0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:34.479
<v Speaker 2>not over taxed. Nothing to see here everyone. Of course,

0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:38.080
<v Speaker 2>of course everyone should just pay more. Okay you first,

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<v Speaker 2>And speaking of when it comes to finances, let's have

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<v Speaker 2>a little chat about smoking taxes. Now, this is not

0:18:47.480 --> 0:18:49.119
<v Speaker 2>a hobby horse, because of course, you know, I make

0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:51.840
<v Speaker 2>a stupid life, the choice to be a smoker. I

0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:53.840
<v Speaker 2>get it. I know, my kids tell me each and

0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:57.280
<v Speaker 2>every day. One day I will learn. But there is

0:18:57.320 --> 0:19:00.600
<v Speaker 2>something that has been happening as a direct result of

0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:05.280
<v Speaker 2>the government being addicted to a massive welfare bill. That

0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:07.520
<v Speaker 2>in part is being paid for a massive amount of

0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:09.800
<v Speaker 2>money that is raised via cigarette taxes.

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<v Speaker 1>Dubbed the heartland of the illicit tobacco trade, Victoria has

0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:19.600
<v Speaker 1>fast become a fiery battleground for a raging.

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<v Speaker 6>Turf wall tobacco shop has been set alite in a

0:19:22.359 --> 0:19:24.400
<v Speaker 6>suspected arson attack and logan.

0:19:24.320 --> 0:19:27.399
<v Speaker 1>Erupting into a ball of flames. An auburn tobacco shop

0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:28.119
<v Speaker 1>is set alike.

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<v Speaker 2>Where there's smoke, there's firebombing.

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<v Speaker 6>That's now the reality for tobacconists.

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<v Speaker 2>And you see what's happening is that there are, as

0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:40.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, this black market in tobacco trade which is

0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:44.359
<v Speaker 2>happening all over the country. And in fact, we had

0:19:44.560 --> 0:19:46.959
<v Speaker 2>this was our main research task today, which was to

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<v Speaker 2>try to work out, okay, how many more tobacco shops

0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:54.520
<v Speaker 2>are there around Australia compared to say, just before the pandemic, right,

0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:56.760
<v Speaker 2>because we know the numbers in twenty twenty twenty twenty

0:19:56.800 --> 0:19:58.400
<v Speaker 2>one are going to be a bit wonky. So let's

0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:01.000
<v Speaker 2>go back, say to two thousand and nine. Team. Now,

0:20:01.000 --> 0:20:02.679
<v Speaker 2>it depends on where your source is, but I'll be

0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:05.240
<v Speaker 2>open about where the sauces are. Yes, there are way

0:20:05.280 --> 0:20:10.959
<v Speaker 2>more tobacconists, way more places selling tobacco in Australia than

0:20:11.000 --> 0:20:15.200
<v Speaker 2>ever before. In fact, twenty nineteen the number was, according

0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:21.520
<v Speaker 2>to the ABC, fifteen thousand different places that were tobacco retailers.

0:20:21.560 --> 0:20:24.720
<v Speaker 2>Now this number can go a little higher if it

0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:27.440
<v Speaker 2>is a business which you know, might be a bar

0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:29.879
<v Speaker 2>that's got a cigarette machine in it, might be a

0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:34.320
<v Speaker 2>corner shop. But we're talking about not fifteen thousand tobacconists

0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:39.440
<v Speaker 2>as such, but fifteen thousand places where you can buy tobacco. Well,

0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:44.080
<v Speaker 2>now there are sixty tobacconists for every McDonald's that exists

0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:47.600
<v Speaker 2>in some parts of Australia. Again, back to Sydney, they

0:20:47.680 --> 0:20:55.120
<v Speaker 2>now say that there are twenty thousand different places which

0:20:55.160 --> 0:21:01.160
<v Speaker 2>are selling tobacco products. Now, of course, smoking is never

0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:04.040
<v Speaker 2>socially acceptable, and in twenty twenty five it is as

0:21:04.160 --> 0:21:07.800
<v Speaker 2>socially unacceptable as it's ever been. The extreme majority of

0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:10.080
<v Speaker 2>Australian stone light up, don't think about lighting up, and

0:21:10.119 --> 0:21:13.200
<v Speaker 2>thankfully because of that change over many years, there's generations

0:21:13.320 --> 0:21:15.879
<v Speaker 2>of people who have never smoked. Good on you. I

0:21:15.960 --> 0:21:20.439
<v Speaker 2>apologize for letting the team down, But what of course

0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:25.080
<v Speaker 2>has happening here is that there is more tobacconists around,

0:21:25.200 --> 0:21:30.200
<v Speaker 2>and there are more tobacconists which are selling illegal tobacco.

0:21:30.480 --> 0:21:33.600
<v Speaker 2>It's called chop chop. It's garbage that comes in via China.

0:21:33.760 --> 0:21:38.520
<v Speaker 2>It is a total criminal operation. Think of it as

0:21:38.560 --> 0:21:41.080
<v Speaker 2>any other form of drug, but this one. For some reason,

0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:42.879
<v Speaker 2>they can put a sign out in front of their

0:21:42.880 --> 0:21:46.280
<v Speaker 2>building as to what they are actually selling. Now, this

0:21:46.359 --> 0:21:48.639
<v Speaker 2>is not me saying that every single tobacconist in Australia

0:21:48.760 --> 0:21:52.040
<v Speaker 2>is selling illegal tobacco before anyone with more money than

0:21:52.080 --> 0:21:54.600
<v Speaker 2>I could possibly dream of is thinking about launching a

0:21:54.680 --> 0:21:58.359
<v Speaker 2>legal action. But you get my point here. Supposedly the

0:21:58.480 --> 0:22:00.359
<v Speaker 2>number of people smoking has gone down, how has the

0:22:00.440 --> 0:22:02.600
<v Speaker 2>number of places selling it gone up? Because of the

0:22:02.600 --> 0:22:05.879
<v Speaker 2>crap that he is being sold in these places. And

0:22:05.960 --> 0:22:09.000
<v Speaker 2>Chris Mins, the New soth Wales premiere, has seen the

0:22:09.080 --> 0:22:13.040
<v Speaker 2>light that the taxation that the federal government puts on

0:22:13.240 --> 0:22:16.320
<v Speaker 2>legal cigarettes is now too big and it means that

0:22:16.359 --> 0:22:22.159
<v Speaker 2>a legal packet of cigarettes is twice, almost close to

0:22:22.240 --> 0:22:26.160
<v Speaker 2>at times three times higher than what you could buy

0:22:26.600 --> 0:22:30.000
<v Speaker 2>over the counter. In a tobacconist that is willing to

0:22:30.040 --> 0:22:33.919
<v Speaker 2>sell crap from China. This is what he said today, I'm.

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<v Speaker 4>Not arguing with the public health benefits of putting an

0:22:37.320 --> 0:22:41.439
<v Speaker 4>excise on tobacco, but the massive increase has exploded the

0:22:41.480 --> 0:22:44.440
<v Speaker 4>illicit tobacco marketplace.

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<v Speaker 2>Aha. So again, we tried to do a bit of

0:22:49.160 --> 0:22:50.879
<v Speaker 2>recess on all of this today. Had been working on

0:22:50.920 --> 0:22:53.639
<v Speaker 2>it for a few days, but I was trying to

0:22:53.640 --> 0:22:56.160
<v Speaker 2>work out that you've got this scenario where federal government

0:22:56.200 --> 0:22:59.640
<v Speaker 2>it wants to take as much taxation as possible. They've

0:22:59.760 --> 0:23:03.000
<v Speaker 2>used smoking taxes is something you continuously put up because

0:23:03.040 --> 0:23:05.399
<v Speaker 2>no one should be smoking. So theoretically we should be

0:23:05.480 --> 0:23:09.359
<v Speaker 2>making zero dollars out of tobacco. But the reality is

0:23:09.400 --> 0:23:11.720
<v Speaker 2>that when budgets are the way they are, where we're

0:23:11.720 --> 0:23:15.919
<v Speaker 2>spending double on welfare than we were twenty years ago,

0:23:16.320 --> 0:23:18.359
<v Speaker 2>it's a chance to get an easy few billion dollars

0:23:18.400 --> 0:23:21.720
<v Speaker 2>here and a few billion dollars there. And Jim Charmers

0:23:22.280 --> 0:23:24.400
<v Speaker 2>is the latest of the treasurers who has gone for

0:23:24.440 --> 0:23:28.760
<v Speaker 2>this supposed pot of gold. He of course has increased

0:23:28.920 --> 0:23:32.760
<v Speaker 2>tobacco taxes on his brief watch as the country's treasurer.

0:23:34.760 --> 0:23:37.600
<v Speaker 2>And the logic behind all of this again is the

0:23:37.680 --> 0:23:43.080
<v Speaker 2>higher we make the prices, the fewer people will start smoking. Well,

0:23:43.080 --> 0:23:46.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to show you the reality here. What you

0:23:46.240 --> 0:23:48.600
<v Speaker 2>were going to see is the blue line on this

0:23:48.680 --> 0:23:50.800
<v Speaker 2>graph that we have for you tonight, and that is

0:23:50.840 --> 0:23:54.920
<v Speaker 2>the percentage of Australians who are smokers. Now it has

0:23:54.920 --> 0:24:02.520
<v Speaker 2>definitely gone down from about fourteen percent towards twenty fifteen

0:24:02.520 --> 0:24:06.360
<v Speaker 2>twenty sixteen and now it's down to just about, let's say,

0:24:06.400 --> 0:24:10.639
<v Speaker 2>roughly ten percent. But the different policies of different governments

0:24:11.080 --> 0:24:14.600
<v Speaker 2>have seen a reduction in the amount of smokers when

0:24:14.600 --> 0:24:16.960
<v Speaker 2>there's been an increase in tax But then you can

0:24:17.000 --> 0:24:20.800
<v Speaker 2>see upon the election of the Labor government in twenty

0:24:20.960 --> 0:24:25.320
<v Speaker 2>twenty two, massive ramp up in taxes, but basically the

0:24:25.440 --> 0:24:30.000
<v Speaker 2>number of smokers in Australia has stayed the same. So literally,

0:24:30.320 --> 0:24:33.359
<v Speaker 2>in terms of the legal product, it doesn't matter what

0:24:33.400 --> 0:24:35.200
<v Speaker 2>the cost of the legal product is. There's something about

0:24:35.240 --> 0:24:37.680
<v Speaker 2>ten percent of people in Australia who have not changed

0:24:37.680 --> 0:24:42.400
<v Speaker 2>their habits for whatever reasons. But then when you start

0:24:42.400 --> 0:24:45.120
<v Speaker 2>to get into the detail that yes, the rate has

0:24:45.119 --> 0:24:47.640
<v Speaker 2>gone up, but then it started to flatten that red

0:24:47.760 --> 0:24:51.400
<v Speaker 2>number about the amount of taxation which is being charged,

0:24:52.080 --> 0:24:55.199
<v Speaker 2>the actual amount of revenue the government is getting is

0:24:55.240 --> 0:25:00.440
<v Speaker 2>starting to go down. So the taxes are high, which

0:25:00.480 --> 0:25:03.280
<v Speaker 2>means the price is higher, but the number of people

0:25:03.320 --> 0:25:07.520
<v Speaker 2>smoking is the same. So why is the federal government

0:25:07.560 --> 0:25:13.399
<v Speaker 2>going down when it comes to tobacco taxes? They've previously

0:25:13.440 --> 0:25:18.119
<v Speaker 2>taken in eight, ten, fifteen billion dollars, Well now it

0:25:18.200 --> 0:25:21.960
<v Speaker 2>is sub ten billion dollars. Why because of people who

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<v Speaker 2>are buying the cheap Chinese crap in one of thousands

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<v Speaker 2>of more tobacconists which are appearing all over Australia, to

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<v Speaker 2>a point where we can get to a ratio that

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<v Speaker 2>for every one McDonald's there are sixty places that are

0:25:36.720 --> 0:25:42.960
<v Speaker 2>going to be selling tobacco. That tobacco industry an illegal

0:25:42.960 --> 0:25:48.320
<v Speaker 2>tobacco industry. The illegal tobacco industry is a criminal operation.

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<v Speaker 2>If there is about ten percent of Australia that is

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<v Speaker 2>going to keep smoking, as the numbers show us, the

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<v Speaker 2>government is forcing those people, or at least pushing them

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<v Speaker 2>towards it's the cheaper product because the legal product is

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<v Speaker 2>now too expensive. It's time for cigarette taxes to start

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<v Speaker 2>to move down, not to go right back where we

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<v Speaker 2>were twenty years ago, but maybe just maybe start to

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<v Speaker 2>meet the population where it is because if nothing else,

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<v Speaker 2>and while I would love to be one of the

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<v Speaker 2>people who would give up in the next little while.

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<v Speaker 2>When it comes to smoking, the reality is that there

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<v Speaker 2>are many of us who continue to make this stupid

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<v Speaker 2>health decision, and regardless of the cost, there's many of

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<v Speaker 2>us that have stayed at the same number for the

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<v Speaker 2>best part of five years. Now. If the government is

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<v Speaker 2>serious about helping their states or councils deal with illegal tobacco,

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<v Speaker 2>they must bring down the cost of legal tobacco. But

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<v Speaker 2>if the idea is to just keep increasing the price

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<v Speaker 2>of the legal staff right up and off the scale,

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<v Speaker 2>whether then the criminal stuff will just replace it. And

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<v Speaker 2>for the more tobacconists there are the more fire bombings.

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<v Speaker 2>Want that what do you personally find for more offensive?

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody smoking on a balcony at home or somebody blowing

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<v Speaker 2>up a shop that might be next to the cafe

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<v Speaker 2>where you get your coffee each and every day. Quick

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<v Speaker 2>break back with me here on Paul Murray Life. Thanks

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<v Speaker 2>for watching wherever you happen to be and maybe you

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<v Speaker 2>can always send me an email Paulitzkuynews dot com dot A.

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<v Speaker 2>One of my wife's dreams is to go and see

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<v Speaker 2>the northern lights. We may not get there anytime soon.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you were looking up last night, what about

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<v Speaker 2>the Aurora Estrallas most further north that it has been

0:27:35.800 --> 0:27:37.720
<v Speaker 2>in a very long period of time, FETO has taken

0:27:37.800 --> 0:27:41.800
<v Speaker 2>all around the coastal areas of New South Wels. I

0:27:41.800 --> 0:27:43.400
<v Speaker 2>think you've got it as far up as the mid

0:27:43.440 --> 0:27:47.240
<v Speaker 2>North coast. But what an absolutely beautiful natural attraction for

0:27:47.320 --> 0:27:49.560
<v Speaker 2>people to be able to look up and see. And

0:27:50.040 --> 0:27:53.320
<v Speaker 2>the quality of people's photography now, not just for Instagram,

0:27:53.359 --> 0:27:56.280
<v Speaker 2>but good old fashioned photos. They look absolutely beautiful, don't they.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, speaking of let's be joined right now by

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<v Speaker 2>the Lord Mayor of Melbour, none other than the wonderful

0:28:00.880 --> 0:28:02.800
<v Speaker 2>Nicholas Reese, and a man who agrees with him on

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<v Speaker 2>almost every single issue is none other than send in

0:28:04.840 --> 0:28:08.080
<v Speaker 2>about Canavan is joining us from Queensland, a truly national

0:28:08.119 --> 0:28:11.560
<v Speaker 2>show from the light show above New South Wales to

0:28:12.119 --> 0:28:15.840
<v Speaker 2>Melbourne and beautiful central Queensland. All right, lads, let's get

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<v Speaker 2>to this first here.

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<v Speaker 7>Paul, you've just ruined, You've just ruined Nicholas's re election

0:28:20.200 --> 0:28:22.480
<v Speaker 7>campaign by aligning in with me. But it's great to

0:28:22.520 --> 0:28:25.640
<v Speaker 7>have Nicholas back. Great you're back on Monday.

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<v Speaker 2>Nights well, and I know that there's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>a massive agreeath on here because I talked about this

0:28:30.080 --> 0:28:33.479
<v Speaker 2>last night, which was I'll mate Chris Bowen just you know,

0:28:33.520 --> 0:28:36.119
<v Speaker 2>now that you know they have one, they'll never be

0:28:36.200 --> 0:28:39.680
<v Speaker 2>challenged into the future. You know, there's no opposition intellectual

0:28:39.760 --> 0:28:43.120
<v Speaker 2>or otherwise to the constant march of the Labor Party

0:28:43.640 --> 0:28:47.000
<v Speaker 2>is that despite the fact that orange Man Bad is

0:28:47.040 --> 0:28:50.120
<v Speaker 2>putting tariffs on steel and that's bad because it makes

0:28:50.120 --> 0:28:54.640
<v Speaker 2>things more expensive for the American consumer, Chris Bowen is

0:28:54.720 --> 0:28:59.240
<v Speaker 2>openly talking about US introducing tariffs on imports coming from

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<v Speaker 2>anywhere in the world that may well be carbon intensive,

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<v Speaker 2>so say a car, or a fridge, littlone, thousands and

0:29:07.760 --> 0:29:09.840
<v Speaker 2>thousands of other products that come into the country. So

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<v Speaker 2>I don't understand orange Man Bad when it comes to tariff's.

0:29:13.640 --> 0:29:16.880
<v Speaker 2>Bowen just mad when it comes to tariff's here. This

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<v Speaker 2>is in part what he had to say yesterday on

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<v Speaker 2>the ABC.

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<v Speaker 6>I know you've been looking at the option of Australia

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<v Speaker 6>imposing a carbon tariff or a carbon border adjustment mechanism

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<v Speaker 6>as the Europeans are looking at. What's he thinking on

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<v Speaker 6>that at the moment?

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<v Speaker 8>Well, We've been again clear that we want to ensure

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<v Speaker 8>Australian industry it's best place to compete in a decarbonizing world.

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<v Speaker 8>As you know, I commissioned Professor Frank Yotso last year

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<v Speaker 8>to advise the government. He's made public consultation papers. Those

0:29:47.120 --> 0:29:49.120
<v Speaker 8>papers make clear he thinks the settings are right in

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<v Speaker 8>the short term, but there are things we can think

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<v Speaker 8>about in the medium.

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<v Speaker 1>To long term.

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<v Speaker 8>And obviously that's something I'll continue to progress this term

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<v Speaker 8>with my cabinet colleagues.

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<v Speaker 2>So Matt buried in the paperwork not mentioned for the

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<v Speaker 2>past few months, but something that they're willing to be

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<v Speaker 2>out and proud about as something Now help me out

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<v Speaker 2>steal tariff, bad carbon tariff.

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<v Speaker 7>Good well, Paul, you've identified the international inconsistency here rightly so,

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<v Speaker 7>but I'd like to just focus on a bit more

0:30:19.120 --> 0:30:24.680
<v Speaker 7>of a domestic inconsistency, because Paul, well, riddle me this, Batman.

0:30:25.120 --> 0:30:28.720
<v Speaker 7>I mean, how is it that apparently renewable energy is

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<v Speaker 7>cheaper and helps us reduce the cost of doing things,

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<v Speaker 7>But then we need to put a tariff in place

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<v Speaker 7>to protect the businesses that are forced to use the

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<v Speaker 7>renewable energy.

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<v Speaker 1>Those two things don't add up here.

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<v Speaker 7>The very fact that Chris Bowen has had to say

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<v Speaker 7>that he has to put on a tariff to protect

0:30:48.880 --> 0:30:54.120
<v Speaker 7>our steel or eliminiums NT industries completely blows his case

0:30:54.160 --> 0:30:56.440
<v Speaker 7>out of the water that somehow going to net zero

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<v Speaker 7>is not going to cost the austral people anything extra

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<v Speaker 7>or in d as they were promising. They said it

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<v Speaker 7>was going to be cheaper, We're going to get cheaper

0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:06.320
<v Speaker 7>power prices. Things would be better, well if they if

0:31:06.360 --> 0:31:08.920
<v Speaker 7>they were going to be better and cheaper and easier,

0:31:09.360 --> 0:31:12.640
<v Speaker 7>why do they need these tariffs to protect our industries

0:31:12.640 --> 0:31:15.840
<v Speaker 7>that are competing against countries that are not pursuing net

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<v Speaker 7>zero or not decarbonizing in the language that Chris Bowen

0:31:19.560 --> 0:31:24.200
<v Speaker 7>has used. That inconsistency blows the government's argument completely out

0:31:24.280 --> 0:31:26.680
<v Speaker 7>out of the water. And it is about time that

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<v Speaker 7>we have a proper costing of how much is net

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<v Speaker 7>zero is this goal costing the Australian people. That's never

0:31:33.280 --> 0:31:36.680
<v Speaker 7>been done. We've never had a full proper costing in

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<v Speaker 7>this country of how much pursuing that zero would cost.

0:31:40.760 --> 0:31:43.760
<v Speaker 7>We've usually had a bunch of handwaving about how I

0:31:43.760 --> 0:31:45.600
<v Speaker 7>know it's not going to cost any money? Because renewable

0:31:45.600 --> 0:31:47.640
<v Speaker 7>andy's cheaper and it's going to be going to be

0:31:47.720 --> 0:31:50.880
<v Speaker 7>even better for everybody. Well, the government's policy here on

0:31:50.920 --> 0:31:54.280
<v Speaker 7>tariffs totally shows that to be a lie, and I

0:31:54.280 --> 0:31:56.160
<v Speaker 7>think the Australian people deserve to know the truth.

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<v Speaker 2>Nick, You've just done our budget for the city. You'd

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<v Speaker 2>be fine to pay what ten percent all the things

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<v Speaker 2>that you use that have been imported from carbon intensive countries.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, I think what Chris Bowen's saying here actually makes

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<v Speaker 9>a lot of sense in the straight talk expressed from Melbourne.

0:32:12.400 --> 0:32:15.560
<v Speaker 9>I'm happy to explain it to Matt and anyone else

0:32:15.600 --> 0:32:18.520
<v Speaker 9>who wants to tune in here. Of course, the world

0:32:18.840 --> 0:32:21.480
<v Speaker 9>is decarbonizing.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's a good thing.

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<v Speaker 9>It means we're going to have a cleaner planet and

0:32:24.800 --> 0:32:26.600
<v Speaker 9>will be a better planet as well.

0:32:27.120 --> 0:32:28.760
<v Speaker 1>And why we don't want to.

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<v Speaker 9>Have happen in Australia is that is that companies try

0:32:33.800 --> 0:32:41.400
<v Speaker 9>and are offshore, they're emitting activities and avoid our environmental laws.

0:32:41.400 --> 0:32:44.360
<v Speaker 9>Nobody in Australia would want to see that happen, and

0:32:44.440 --> 0:32:46.680
<v Speaker 9>so I think Chris Bone is just making the sensible selection.

0:32:46.760 --> 0:32:48.600
<v Speaker 9>If you're going to try and get around own environmental

0:32:48.680 --> 0:32:51.800
<v Speaker 9>laws by offshoring your emitting activities or we're not.

0:32:51.800 --> 0:32:53.520
<v Speaker 1>Going to have a bar of that. So I think

0:32:53.520 --> 0:32:54.800
<v Speaker 1>that make certaintens.

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<v Speaker 2>Now as just the second point here, and then make

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<v Speaker 2>you're back in. But but Nick, my issue is right.

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<v Speaker 2>If the cost of Australian steel going into the United

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<v Speaker 2>States is now twenty five percent more expensive equals Orange

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<v Speaker 2>Man bad, how is it that all of the things

0:33:13.160 --> 0:33:15.800
<v Speaker 2>that we take out of the ground and send to

0:33:15.920 --> 0:33:19.080
<v Speaker 2>the rest of the world, which a major proportion of

0:33:19.160 --> 0:33:22.080
<v Speaker 2>things like company tax let alone mining taxes, all the

0:33:22.120 --> 0:33:24.680
<v Speaker 2>rest of it, that those two might get twenty five

0:33:24.680 --> 0:33:27.160
<v Speaker 2>percent put on them. Because that's what the Europeans are

0:33:27.200 --> 0:33:30.320
<v Speaker 2>talking about. How would that not be exactly the same thing?

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<v Speaker 9>Because like Donald Trump's steel tariffs are stupid America first

0:33:40.480 --> 0:33:44.760
<v Speaker 9>policies which are actually going to make America poorer, whereas

0:33:45.000 --> 0:33:49.280
<v Speaker 9>the idea of carbon tariffs are there to achieve a

0:33:49.600 --> 0:33:53.720
<v Speaker 9>stated and sound policy aim, which is to stop companies

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<v Speaker 9>off sharing their omitting practices to avoid AUSTRAI and environmental law.

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<v Speaker 9>So one to a good end what's been proposed in

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<v Speaker 9>Australia that fools in a.

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<v Speaker 1>Falls in even know.

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<v Speaker 9>I've explained to you now going back to I was

0:34:09.200 --> 0:34:11.840
<v Speaker 9>going to explain Matt Canvan's riddle to everyone earlier.

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<v Speaker 2>Check game keeping.

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<v Speaker 9>So I remember this debate from years ago, and it's

0:34:17.760 --> 0:34:18.640
<v Speaker 9>great to be back.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'll re explain it to Matt.

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<v Speaker 9>So, old coal is cheaper than new renewables, but of

0:34:26.760 --> 0:34:31.399
<v Speaker 9>course new renewables are cheaper the new coal. And so yes,

0:34:31.440 --> 0:34:34.880
<v Speaker 9>there are these old coal clunkers out there, these old

0:34:34.920 --> 0:34:38.680
<v Speaker 9>coal fired power stations which have completely depreciated in value

0:34:38.920 --> 0:34:41.960
<v Speaker 9>and can produce energy very cheaply. Of course they're ruining

0:34:42.040 --> 0:34:45.839
<v Speaker 9>the planet, but they do produce cheap power, at least

0:34:45.840 --> 0:34:48.880
<v Speaker 9>in financial terms on the books of the companies that

0:34:48.960 --> 0:34:52.520
<v Speaker 9>own them. But as we move to decarbonizing our planet,

0:34:52.960 --> 0:34:56.560
<v Speaker 9>new renewables are cheaper the new coal. But for the

0:34:56.600 --> 0:35:00.440
<v Speaker 9>time that we've got a situation where new renewables are cheaper,

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<v Speaker 9>new renewables at the moment are more expensive than old coal.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, but transition, I'm glad.

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<v Speaker 1>Next just admitted. Next just admitted.

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<v Speaker 7>Next just admitted that it is more costly because it's

0:35:10.640 --> 0:35:13.400
<v Speaker 7>costly to shut down an old coal fire POWERstation.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a cost. It's a cost to the Australian consumer.

0:35:16.120 --> 0:35:18.240
<v Speaker 7>It's a cost to Australia industry because we could run

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<v Speaker 7>thoselers cheap. You've admitted that they're cheaper, those cheap coal

0:35:21.800 --> 0:35:24.319
<v Speaker 7>fire powerstations longer. The second problem with your argument, Nick,

0:35:24.440 --> 0:35:27.320
<v Speaker 7>is that is that China's not using that The competitors

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<v Speaker 7>here we're talking about, let's face his China, they're not

0:35:29.760 --> 0:35:30.960
<v Speaker 7>using old coal fire POWERstation.

0:35:31.000 --> 0:35:32.520
<v Speaker 1>They're building new ones. They're building new.

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<v Speaker 7>Ones two times a week and so and so they're

0:35:36.440 --> 0:35:38.880
<v Speaker 7>still apparently cheaper than than our new renewables.

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<v Speaker 1>That doesn't make any sense.

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<v Speaker 7>But at the core of this argument, I'll sum this

0:35:43.640 --> 0:35:48.160
<v Speaker 7>argument up, I'll sun this argment up. If I put

0:35:48.160 --> 0:35:50.319
<v Speaker 7>this red hat on, Paul. If I put this red

0:35:50.400 --> 0:35:51.920
<v Speaker 7>hat on and say tariffs are good.

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<v Speaker 2>That's bad.

0:35:52.640 --> 0:35:53.359
<v Speaker 1>That's really bad.

0:35:53.600 --> 0:35:55.800
<v Speaker 7>If I take the red hat off and say tariffs

0:35:55.840 --> 0:35:57.880
<v Speaker 7>are good, they're good, that's the argument.

0:35:58.040 --> 0:36:00.960
<v Speaker 1>That's their argument. It's totally about the red hat. It's

0:36:01.000 --> 0:36:02.000
<v Speaker 1>got nothing more than.

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<v Speaker 2>That well done, well done, all right.

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<v Speaker 9>If they're going to build new coal and try and

0:36:07.480 --> 0:36:09.600
<v Speaker 9>sell it back to us and avoid our environmental laws,

0:36:09.680 --> 0:36:11.120
<v Speaker 9>we're on. I'm right, and we're going to put a

0:36:11.120 --> 0:36:12.440
<v Speaker 9>carbon TARIFM to catch them out.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not Okay, Australia makes it. We're Australia makes zero cars, Nick,

0:36:23.040 --> 0:36:29.320
<v Speaker 2>zero zero electric cars, zero zero petrol cars. Okay, steel

0:36:29.680 --> 0:36:32.040
<v Speaker 2>is involved in those things. Okay. Now, even if they

0:36:32.080 --> 0:36:37.319
<v Speaker 2>are paid for empowered by hydrogen or green steel or whatever, right,

0:36:37.760 --> 0:36:41.280
<v Speaker 2>it's still going to be a carbon intensive industry, meaning

0:36:41.360 --> 0:36:44.920
<v Speaker 2>that a tax would be put on every metal car

0:36:45.440 --> 0:36:47.920
<v Speaker 2>coming into the country. Wouldn't that be one of the

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<v Speaker 2>consequences here?

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<v Speaker 9>No, the tax would apply when a company is trying

0:36:55.480 --> 0:37:01.840
<v Speaker 9>to avoid or offshore it's omitting practice and avoid Australian

0:37:01.960 --> 0:37:02.840
<v Speaker 9>environmental laws.

0:37:02.920 --> 0:37:04.480
<v Speaker 1>That that that's when you'd be using it.

0:37:04.960 --> 0:37:08.279
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So you're now again, this is very wide, it's

0:37:08.400 --> 0:37:12.160
<v Speaker 2>very vague, and Nicholas isn't Chris Bowen. But it'll be

0:37:12.160 --> 0:37:12.920
<v Speaker 2>fascinating to see that.

0:37:15.040 --> 0:37:17.000
<v Speaker 7>I mean, why do Nick, if you believe in this,

0:37:17.040 --> 0:37:19.400
<v Speaker 7>why don't we use the tariffs then to protect our

0:37:19.440 --> 0:37:23.920
<v Speaker 7>steel industry from dumped Chinese steel, from Chinese steel that

0:37:24.040 --> 0:37:27.600
<v Speaker 7>is that is that is getting around the international trade agreements.

0:37:27.640 --> 0:37:30.319
<v Speaker 7>China is clearly subsidizing its steel industry in a way

0:37:30.360 --> 0:37:33.800
<v Speaker 7>that's not consistent with its obligation under the World Trade Organization.

0:37:33.920 --> 0:37:37.200
<v Speaker 7>So if you're okay to tariff steel if they're not

0:37:37.360 --> 0:37:40.440
<v Speaker 7>meeting some climate agreement. Why don't we put tariffs on

0:37:40.480 --> 0:37:43.600
<v Speaker 7>our domestic steel when they're not meeting trade agreements? Nick

0:37:43.640 --> 0:37:47.200
<v Speaker 7>now I have argued for the latter, the former though

0:37:47.200 --> 0:37:49.080
<v Speaker 7>the environmental one. The problem with those is you're adding

0:37:49.080 --> 0:37:51.560
<v Speaker 7>an additional cost. It's an additional cost for strength consumers,

0:37:51.640 --> 0:37:54.440
<v Speaker 7>it's an additional cost for steel production in this country,

0:37:54.440 --> 0:37:56.719
<v Speaker 7>for a building costs in this country. For what benefit? Like,

0:37:56.719 --> 0:37:58.719
<v Speaker 7>you're not we're not changing the environment there. But the

0:37:59.239 --> 0:38:03.040
<v Speaker 7>subsidized steel comes in from China is clearly breaching trade agreements.

0:38:03.080 --> 0:38:05.880
<v Speaker 7>It's clearly distorting world markets. Why don't we get back

0:38:05.920 --> 0:38:08.960
<v Speaker 7>to being self sufficient and still we only produce enough study? Yeah,

0:38:09.800 --> 0:38:14.000
<v Speaker 7>really quickly, Why don't we get serious about the abuse

0:38:14.040 --> 0:38:15.960
<v Speaker 7>that China is doing to world trade marks? That's exactly

0:38:16.000 --> 0:38:19.760
<v Speaker 7>what Trump's doing really in essence, why don't.

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<v Speaker 2>We do that?

0:38:21.600 --> 0:38:21.960
<v Speaker 1>That's right?

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<v Speaker 9>Look, I absolutely agree we should not be tolerating those practices,

0:38:25.000 --> 0:38:27.839
<v Speaker 9>whether it's China or any country for that matter. But

0:38:27.880 --> 0:38:30.160
<v Speaker 9>the Australian approach on these things is to say we

0:38:30.200 --> 0:38:31.879
<v Speaker 9>support a rules based order.

0:38:32.200 --> 0:38:33.279
<v Speaker 1>And so, for example, with.

0:38:33.280 --> 0:38:36.960
<v Speaker 9>The Trump Trump tariffs on Australia. The Australian response was well,

0:38:36.960 --> 0:38:39.680
<v Speaker 9>we're not going to match it, which you know, at

0:38:39.719 --> 0:38:41.279
<v Speaker 9>first people think is that the right thing to do,

0:38:41.320 --> 0:38:43.200
<v Speaker 9>but it's well, if you support a rules based order,

0:38:43.360 --> 0:38:44.800
<v Speaker 9>you're not going to go down that pathway.

0:38:44.840 --> 0:38:46.000
<v Speaker 1>So I absolutely agree we.

0:38:46.000 --> 0:38:50.560
<v Speaker 9>Should be responding strongly against dumping practices into our country,

0:38:50.760 --> 0:38:53.080
<v Speaker 9>but you do that by going through the WTA, not

0:38:53.239 --> 0:38:56.120
<v Speaker 9>responding with tariffs. That's that's the kind of current thinking

0:38:56.160 --> 0:38:56.920
<v Speaker 9>on it not working.

0:38:57.400 --> 0:38:59.640
<v Speaker 2>And you're going all right, quick break back with more

0:38:59.719 --> 0:39:02.879
<v Speaker 2>lots to agree with here, very good point from both

0:39:02.880 --> 0:39:05.360
<v Speaker 2>of you. Appreciate it. We'll talk about the rece police

0:39:05.520 --> 0:39:12.680
<v Speaker 2>moving around Melbourne and a whole lot more. Speaking of

0:39:12.760 --> 0:39:14.879
<v Speaker 2>beautiful things that are around a lot of fog about

0:39:15.200 --> 0:39:18.440
<v Speaker 2>in Sydney this morning. Now I know people go it's

0:39:18.480 --> 0:39:21.480
<v Speaker 2>a peace super I'll be honest if anyone can tell

0:39:21.480 --> 0:39:23.520
<v Speaker 2>me what that actually means feel free. I just heard

0:39:23.560 --> 0:39:26.280
<v Speaker 2>this is one of those things that gets said Sydney.

0:39:26.320 --> 0:39:29.160
<v Speaker 2>Of course, Now in Melbourne it was perfect, amazing as always, Nicholas.

0:39:29.160 --> 0:39:31.520
<v Speaker 2>But still some beautiful photos there from Sydney. If you

0:39:31.600 --> 0:39:33.279
<v Speaker 2>see nice things you'd like just to show on the

0:39:33.280 --> 0:39:35.160
<v Speaker 2>Telly can see in them, Paul, it's goynews dot com

0:39:35.200 --> 0:39:36.799
<v Speaker 2>dot are you so divid? Good at night and then

0:39:36.920 --> 0:39:38.560
<v Speaker 2>pretty fog around in the morning in Sydney. Here with

0:39:38.640 --> 0:39:41.400
<v Speaker 2>Nicholas Reese and with Matt Canavan. So Nick, as the

0:39:41.400 --> 0:39:43.160
<v Speaker 2>Lord Mayor of Melbourne, I have read a lot about

0:39:43.200 --> 0:39:47.000
<v Speaker 2>these Recee Police more security guards ones working on behalf

0:39:47.040 --> 0:39:49.880
<v Speaker 2>of Melbourne City. What are they going to be doing?

0:39:50.440 --> 0:39:53.480
<v Speaker 2>Will they have sirens on their head? Will will you

0:39:53.640 --> 0:39:56.239
<v Speaker 2>be the one recording the E or E or E

0:39:56.360 --> 0:39:58.280
<v Speaker 2>or like? What is the rece police?

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<v Speaker 9>Well, look, we have been trialing security guards, but under

0:40:05.120 --> 0:40:07.640
<v Speaker 9>our budget now it's two weeks ago, we'll be moving

0:40:07.680 --> 0:40:11.680
<v Speaker 9>now to community safety offices, which the Melbourne media have

0:40:11.760 --> 0:40:12.520
<v Speaker 9>now dubbed.

0:40:12.239 --> 0:40:13.080
<v Speaker 2>The rees police.

0:40:14.080 --> 0:40:17.960
<v Speaker 9>And yeah, essentially it's a City of Melbourne engaging community

0:40:18.000 --> 0:40:21.000
<v Speaker 9>safety offices to keep our streets safe. I said in

0:40:21.040 --> 0:40:23.520
<v Speaker 9>the election, I was not mucking around. I was going

0:40:23.560 --> 0:40:26.879
<v Speaker 9>to go very hard on city safety and that's what

0:40:26.960 --> 0:40:30.160
<v Speaker 9>we are doing. So we'll be putting our own employed

0:40:30.200 --> 0:40:32.920
<v Speaker 9>by the City of Melbourne Safety Office on the street,

0:40:33.239 --> 0:40:38.759
<v Speaker 9>very visible safety presence, going after anti social behavior, a

0:40:38.920 --> 0:40:44.440
<v Speaker 9>legal alcohol and drug consumption, aggressive begging, cleaning up the streets, Mate,

0:40:44.520 --> 0:40:45.440
<v Speaker 9>cleaning up the streets.

0:40:45.520 --> 0:40:45.920
<v Speaker 1>I love it.

0:40:45.920 --> 0:40:48.360
<v Speaker 2>Now. Look look I just want to pitch something live.

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<v Speaker 7>Here, Can I say, Paul, Paul? Can I just quickly

0:40:52.520 --> 0:40:55.879
<v Speaker 7>add in great initiative from Nick, But what is going

0:40:55.880 --> 0:40:59.480
<v Speaker 7>on here? Nick's for tariffs, He's now for extra cop solid.

0:41:00.239 --> 0:41:02.279
<v Speaker 7>He just has to build a wall around Melbourne next

0:41:02.320 --> 0:41:07.000
<v Speaker 7>to you will put the red hat on. Hell, it'll

0:41:07.040 --> 0:41:08.279
<v Speaker 7>be make Melbourne great again.

0:41:09.200 --> 0:41:14.520
<v Speaker 1>Good on your neck? That's correct. I mean that dad

0:41:14.600 --> 0:41:19.200
<v Speaker 1>who already built the wall. He doesn't safety.

0:41:19.320 --> 0:41:23.000
<v Speaker 9>Safety doesn't sit on a political spectrum, an ideological spectrums.

0:41:23.040 --> 0:41:25.680
<v Speaker 1>Just for it what I'm all about.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, we love the idea and you know I would

0:41:28.920 --> 0:41:30.759
<v Speaker 2>have let it boxed for you in that campaign. I

0:41:30.840 --> 0:41:33.200
<v Speaker 2>just did digital letter boxing via the tell he's saying,

0:41:33.280 --> 0:41:34.719
<v Speaker 2>we like Nick and we're glad that he's there. Is

0:41:34.760 --> 0:41:37.960
<v Speaker 2>the mayor. All right, let's also talk you about, not

0:41:38.000 --> 0:41:40.760
<v Speaker 2>to get fully back into the climate conversation, but local

0:41:40.760 --> 0:41:44.200
<v Speaker 2>community in Queensland Matte has taken, has caught your right

0:41:44.480 --> 0:41:48.319
<v Speaker 2>because they're pushing back against a massive battery development. I

0:41:48.360 --> 0:41:51.560
<v Speaker 2>also noticed that in New South Wales in some of

0:41:51.600 --> 0:41:56.120
<v Speaker 2>the built up sort of industrial areas, but also residential

0:41:56.160 --> 0:41:58.160
<v Speaker 2>around a place called Quarry Park. The state government there

0:41:58.160 --> 0:42:00.719
<v Speaker 2>said no no, no, no, no to battery and a

0:42:00.840 --> 0:42:03.120
<v Speaker 2>data center request there thoughts.

0:42:04.320 --> 0:42:06.320
<v Speaker 7>Well, look, Paul, I don't want to make this into

0:42:06.120 --> 0:42:09.040
<v Speaker 7>another climate walls if you like. But I met with

0:42:09.040 --> 0:42:12.239
<v Speaker 7>some people today and there's been some stories about them

0:42:13.120 --> 0:42:15.839
<v Speaker 7>where look, it's just not appropriate to have these large

0:42:15.840 --> 0:42:19.280
<v Speaker 7>industrial facilities, in one case within one hundred and twenty

0:42:19.360 --> 0:42:20.719
<v Speaker 7>meters of someone's laund room.

0:42:22.200 --> 0:42:23.560
<v Speaker 1>That's just not right.

0:42:24.640 --> 0:42:27.879
<v Speaker 7>I mean, why can't these industrial facilities go into an

0:42:27.920 --> 0:42:32.160
<v Speaker 7>industrial center. So I'm not against all batteries, but the

0:42:32.200 --> 0:42:34.920
<v Speaker 7>way they're rolling out at the moment is completely uncontrolled.

0:42:34.920 --> 0:42:37.720
<v Speaker 7>At least here in Queensland. There's no guidelines for councils.

0:42:37.760 --> 0:42:39.880
<v Speaker 7>They just go through a council approval process. There's no

0:42:40.400 --> 0:42:43.799
<v Speaker 7>major environmental impact assessment. And as I say, we have

0:42:43.880 --> 0:42:47.440
<v Speaker 7>planning schemes for a purpose in rural farming areas. They

0:42:47.440 --> 0:42:50.279
<v Speaker 7>should not just be industrialized. People deserve to have just

0:42:50.320 --> 0:42:52.080
<v Speaker 7>bought a house on Someone's just spent over a million

0:42:52.080 --> 0:42:53.920
<v Speaker 7>dollars for a house that I was speaking to or

0:42:53.920 --> 0:42:57.040
<v Speaker 7>about today, and now they're going to have a massive,

0:42:57.040 --> 0:42:59.160
<v Speaker 7>big battery for one hundred Megwa battery one hundred and

0:42:59.160 --> 0:43:01.960
<v Speaker 7>twenty meters from their homes that shouldn't be on.

0:43:02.640 --> 0:43:04.839
<v Speaker 2>As I mentioned last night, I was in Brisbane over

0:43:04.840 --> 0:43:07.480
<v Speaker 2>the weekend, had the chance to go to a birthday

0:43:07.480 --> 0:43:10.239
<v Speaker 2>party my dear friend Isabella. Just around the corner from that,

0:43:10.280 --> 0:43:13.680
<v Speaker 2>there was this protest. As we're turning up to the restaurant, becaus,

0:43:13.680 --> 0:43:16.120
<v Speaker 2>just what's going on over here? Right? It points out

0:43:16.160 --> 0:43:20.520
<v Speaker 2>that the Wickham Hotel, which is a famous, very progressive

0:43:20.600 --> 0:43:24.280
<v Speaker 2>part of a bar and very progressive part of Bricebane,

0:43:24.280 --> 0:43:27.160
<v Speaker 2>w well, they decided to have a protest. Why because

0:43:27.200 --> 0:43:30.520
<v Speaker 2>there was a quote unquote Zionist event which was rubbish

0:43:30.560 --> 0:43:34.120
<v Speaker 2>but still being held inside. Now, obviously you can rent

0:43:34.120 --> 0:43:36.840
<v Speaker 2>a space in any pub anywhere, but apparently there was

0:43:36.880 --> 0:43:39.600
<v Speaker 2>a protest because the wrong type of people were having

0:43:39.600 --> 0:43:42.640
<v Speaker 2>an unapproved gathering. According to their logic. Some of the

0:43:42.680 --> 0:43:58.439
<v Speaker 2>staff even walked off. He's part of the protest. So Nick,

0:43:58.520 --> 0:44:01.600
<v Speaker 2>let's talk about this here. If you're not breaking the law,

0:44:01.680 --> 0:44:03.719
<v Speaker 2>if you're not some hate group all the rest of it, right,

0:44:03.760 --> 0:44:06.200
<v Speaker 2>sure that you're able to walk into anywhere and rent

0:44:06.239 --> 0:44:08.560
<v Speaker 2>a room. Because if we want a scenario where people

0:44:08.560 --> 0:44:11.960
<v Speaker 2>turn around, say I disagree with why you're renting the room,

0:44:12.120 --> 0:44:15.000
<v Speaker 2>so therefore you're not allowed to. Isn't that the reverse

0:44:15.040 --> 0:44:18.160
<v Speaker 2>of the old baker and the gay couple.

0:44:20.440 --> 0:44:22.360
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, I mean, look, I think that's pretty ugly scenes

0:44:22.360 --> 0:44:25.120
<v Speaker 9>there in Brisbane and not the sort of thing we

0:44:25.160 --> 0:44:29.239
<v Speaker 9>want to see in Australia, you know, the most inclusive, tolerant,

0:44:29.600 --> 0:44:35.640
<v Speaker 9>welcoming society country in the world. And you know, Zionism

0:44:35.960 --> 0:44:41.239
<v Speaker 9>is a completely legitimate political movement people who believe in

0:44:41.280 --> 0:44:44.120
<v Speaker 9>a state of Israel. But unfortunately we got a situation

0:44:44.120 --> 0:44:47.120
<v Speaker 9>in Australian politics at the moment where people, you know,

0:44:47.200 --> 0:44:52.279
<v Speaker 9>equate Zionism with the Yahoo government and also sort of

0:44:53.000 --> 0:44:57.240
<v Speaker 9>confuse Austrange Jews with the state, the political state of Israel.

0:44:57.320 --> 0:44:59.960
<v Speaker 9>So people are getting all these things sort of mixed up.

0:45:00.040 --> 0:45:06.120
<v Speaker 9>So Zionism is a completely acceptable, you know, political philosophy,

0:45:06.520 --> 0:45:09.160
<v Speaker 9>and you know, many people, including myself, believe in it.

0:45:10.080 --> 0:45:12.120
<v Speaker 9>And so the fact that these people are protesting about

0:45:12.120 --> 0:45:15.760
<v Speaker 9>that and trying to say if you believe in Zionism,

0:45:15.760 --> 0:45:17.600
<v Speaker 9>you sport everything that the net you know, who government

0:45:17.640 --> 0:45:20.640
<v Speaker 9>is doing is completely misguided actually, and the people who

0:45:20.640 --> 0:45:23.239
<v Speaker 9>are going to that event feeling quite threatened and that's

0:45:23.640 --> 0:45:24.560
<v Speaker 9>that's terrible.

0:45:24.280 --> 0:45:26.239
<v Speaker 2>Because I can say we weren't even there fifty minutes

0:45:26.239 --> 0:45:28.720
<v Speaker 2>around the road and I went, oh, I've notice this Matt,

0:45:29.040 --> 0:45:31.520
<v Speaker 2>your red butter bloke as his nick of course, but

0:45:31.680 --> 0:45:33.960
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to ask you about your thoughts on what

0:45:34.000 --> 0:45:36.239
<v Speaker 2>his new sport. It's kind of up there with the

0:45:36.280 --> 0:45:38.640
<v Speaker 2>Slapping League, which is a thing called run It. I've

0:45:38.680 --> 0:45:40.560
<v Speaker 2>got to say. I follow it on Instagram. They are

0:45:40.600 --> 0:45:43.840
<v Speaker 2>full on videos, but basically two blokes a few meters

0:45:43.880 --> 0:45:45.840
<v Speaker 2>apart run directly out each other. Can you knock the

0:45:45.880 --> 0:45:48.000
<v Speaker 2>other bloke over? If you do, you get the points?

0:45:48.360 --> 0:45:50.680
<v Speaker 2>Is this a sport? Is it okay? And would you

0:45:50.719 --> 0:45:54.719
<v Speaker 2>turn up to it if it rolled into rocking? No?

0:45:55.000 --> 0:45:56.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't like it.

0:45:56.120 --> 0:45:57.920
<v Speaker 7>I don't think it's a smart thing to do. Just

0:45:57.960 --> 0:46:00.359
<v Speaker 7>start martwab do things. Maybe it's going back to some

0:46:00.440 --> 0:46:02.239
<v Speaker 7>kind of dar winning and survival of the fittest sort

0:46:02.239 --> 0:46:03.160
<v Speaker 7>of approach here, But.

0:46:03.800 --> 0:46:06.400
<v Speaker 1>No, I look, this is it's ridiculous.

0:46:06.400 --> 0:46:10.160
<v Speaker 7>So look, I'm actually as a parent, I'm particularly concerned

0:46:10.160 --> 0:46:13.400
<v Speaker 7>about the new evidence of head injuries that occur in

0:46:13.440 --> 0:46:16.200
<v Speaker 7>contact sports. I think it's a serious issue. You see

0:46:16.200 --> 0:46:18.560
<v Speaker 7>some of the enormous the damage that's been done to

0:46:18.840 --> 0:46:22.040
<v Speaker 7>some of our bravest and most courageous football players in

0:46:22.120 --> 0:46:22.640
<v Speaker 7>the past.

0:46:22.840 --> 0:46:26.279
<v Speaker 1>It's a serious problem. Now. I still love rugby league

0:46:27.120 --> 0:46:27.360
<v Speaker 1>and I.

0:46:27.880 --> 0:46:30.399
<v Speaker 7>Want to support the authorities in doing everything they can

0:46:30.440 --> 0:46:33.360
<v Speaker 7>to stop that problem. But having guys just just do

0:46:33.480 --> 0:46:37.600
<v Speaker 7>this sort of stuff for no particular purpose, it's not

0:46:37.680 --> 0:46:38.920
<v Speaker 7>on stop it.

0:46:38.920 --> 0:46:39.640
<v Speaker 1>It's ridiculous.

0:46:39.680 --> 0:46:41.520
<v Speaker 2>Good stuff. Thank you lads, do appreciate it. We'll see

0:46:41.520 --> 0:46:45.120
<v Speaker 2>you again next Monday. Hello, Nicholas Salo, Matt we'll see

0:46:45.120 --> 0:46:48.000
<v Speaker 2>you soon and shake hands and world under the Commissioner

0:46:48.000 --> 0:46:50.040
<v Speaker 2>of the Race Police. Good stuff. All right, quick break back,

0:46:50.040 --> 0:46:52.279
<v Speaker 2>We're more here on Paul Murray Live. In fact, I've

0:46:52.280 --> 0:46:54.319
<v Speaker 2>got somebody to tell you another example of each way, Albo.

0:46:54.480 --> 0:47:00.360
<v Speaker 2>You gonna like this one. Happy birthday two of the

0:47:00.400 --> 0:47:03.280
<v Speaker 2>greats of Australian cricket, Mark and Steve Wore. They turned

0:47:03.280 --> 0:47:07.680
<v Speaker 2>sixty today. Legends of Australian cricket. Of course, from Wogger

0:47:07.719 --> 0:47:11.040
<v Speaker 2>all the way through New South Wales and then representing Australia.

0:47:11.120 --> 0:47:13.840
<v Speaker 2>They define an absolute hera of Australian cricket that sadly

0:47:14.400 --> 0:47:16.840
<v Speaker 2>we are not about to repeat anytime soon. But absolute

0:47:17.120 --> 0:47:19.120
<v Speaker 2>hardcore Blokes and Steve Whore have had the chance to

0:47:19.160 --> 0:47:22.960
<v Speaker 2>meet a few times. Absolutely ripping bloke. Now, before we go,

0:47:24.360 --> 0:47:27.800
<v Speaker 2>remember when Fatima Payman decided to quit the Labor Party

0:47:27.880 --> 0:47:32.480
<v Speaker 2>to become an independent. What was the reaction of the

0:47:32.520 --> 0:47:34.799
<v Speaker 2>Prime Minister and Labor figures at the time.

0:47:35.040 --> 0:47:35.720
<v Speaker 6>Labor Party.

0:47:36.680 --> 0:47:42.880
<v Speaker 5>She's accountable for what she says and if people have

0:47:42.920 --> 0:47:45.600
<v Speaker 5>a look at I have seen a range of comments

0:47:46.280 --> 0:47:53.440
<v Speaker 5>that have been made, including Senator Payman saying that somehow

0:47:53.520 --> 0:47:56.080
<v Speaker 5>my comments which just called out what she had said

0:47:56.200 --> 0:48:00.200
<v Speaker 5>to people. And you know I heard a month.

0:48:00.080 --> 0:48:02.719
<v Speaker 3>The Guard Senator payment would not be a senator in

0:48:02.719 --> 0:48:05.880
<v Speaker 3>the Australian Senate if she hadn't been a Labor candidate

0:48:06.120 --> 0:48:09.680
<v Speaker 3>for the Australian Senate. So if a person's honorable enough

0:48:10.160 --> 0:48:13.400
<v Speaker 3>to take on the role of being a candidate for

0:48:13.440 --> 0:48:17.080
<v Speaker 3>a political party, then they also have to consider, well

0:48:17.160 --> 0:48:19.480
<v Speaker 3>should they be in the Senate if they're no longer

0:48:19.640 --> 0:48:20.960
<v Speaker 3>a part of that political party.

0:48:22.120 --> 0:48:24.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, the Labor Party no room for rats

0:48:26.280 --> 0:48:30.840
<v Speaker 2>unless they come from the Green Sterndra Cox, he's a

0:48:31.560 --> 0:48:34.520
<v Speaker 2>Green Senator from Western Australia. I now say former Green

0:48:34.560 --> 0:48:37.239
<v Speaker 2>senator because she's given them the biscuit and she has

0:48:37.320 --> 0:48:40.680
<v Speaker 2>joined the Labor Party. So what does the Prime Minister

0:48:40.800 --> 0:48:43.680
<v Speaker 2>say about someone leaving one party to join his.

0:48:45.400 --> 0:48:48.680
<v Speaker 5>I would like to welcome Senator Cox back to the

0:48:48.719 --> 0:48:54.120
<v Speaker 5>Australian Labor Party and to our Labor government. As Senator

0:48:54.160 --> 0:48:57.240
<v Speaker 5>Cox has just said, she wants to be part of

0:48:57.640 --> 0:49:02.640
<v Speaker 5>a team that's delivering pro progress for this country by

0:49:02.719 --> 0:49:06.719
<v Speaker 5>being a part of a government that can make decisions

0:49:06.760 --> 0:49:08.360
<v Speaker 5>to make a difference.

0:49:09.400 --> 0:49:15.480
<v Speaker 2>It rights itself each way. Elbow, don't leave me, but

0:49:15.560 --> 0:49:18.439
<v Speaker 2>you can leave them to be with me. He's elect

0:49:18.480 --> 0:49:18.760
<v Speaker 2>Debate