Speaker 1: From the Sky New Center.
Speaker 2: This is Paul Murray Live. Good Ewnick, thank you very
Speaker 2: much for watching massive show. Tonight's no time to muck around.
Speaker 2: One of the biggest concerns people have is about whether
Speaker 2: their kids will be able to ever afford a house. Now.
Speaker 2: I know there's always the intergenerational fight between this generation
Speaker 2: that you did it, No, you did it. No, you're
Speaker 2: not working hard enough. You've got a too e who cares, right,
Speaker 2: But the reality is that there are hundreds of thousands
Speaker 2: of people who desperately would love to get a joint
Speaker 2: sometime soon. But it's just ever every week, month, year,
Speaker 2: clicking away from them. And tonight I can tell you
Speaker 2: that the average median house price in the capital cities
Speaker 2: of Australia is now one million dollars. Now, median is
Speaker 2: not average, of course, you take the most expensive house
Speaker 2: and then there's the least expensive property unit. Whatever the
Speaker 2: number right in the middle, that's the median. But today
Speaker 2: we learned just how wild some of these prices actually are.
Speaker 2: If you actually have a look at the median price
Speaker 2: across all of the capital cities right now, including Canberra,
Speaker 2: you're going to get eight hundred and seventy seven thousand dollars. Now,
Speaker 2: that is the median okay, from the smallest, crappiest little
Speaker 2: one bedroom something somewhere on the absolute fringe next to
Speaker 2: the train station, to the pink house that's filled with ghosts.
Speaker 2: In terms of Sydney, it's one point one million dollars.
Speaker 2: That is a new record for the median house price
Speaker 2: in Sydney. In Melbourne much more affordable, seven hundred and
Speaker 2: eighty two thousand dollars. The market that is somewhere between
Speaker 2: Sydney and Melbourne is Brisbane. Now right now, according to
Speaker 2: the data, the Brisbane housing market is at absolute peak.
Speaker 2: It just keeps going up. The median house price in
Speaker 2: the CBD or the metro area I should say, of
Speaker 2: Brisbane eight hundred and eighty nine thousand dollars. Now, normally,
Speaker 2: if I just mentioned Sidney, Melbourne and Brisbane, someone will
Speaker 2: send me an email from somewhere else, and rightly so, Paul,
Speaker 2: it's a national show. What are the numbers where I live? Well,
Speaker 2: we've got those too. Today the median house price was
Speaker 2: revealed in Camber. It'll be eight hundred and fifty six
Speaker 2: thousand dollars, so a little bit under Brusban, but still
Speaker 2: way in front of Melbourne Adelaide eight hundred and five thousand,
Speaker 2: again higher than Melbourne Perth eight hundred, seven hundred and
Speaker 2: eighty seven, higher than the median price or just under
Speaker 2: I should say in Melbourne. Then if you call this affordable,
Speaker 2: Hobart six hundred and eighty five thousand dollars median price
Speaker 2: Darwin five hundred and thirty five thousand, and as I
Speaker 2: mentioned before about Canberra at eight hundred and fifty six,
Speaker 2: that was put out today by the prop Track people. Now,
Speaker 2: as you know, we love regional Australia. We get to
Speaker 2: visit it at least once a month where we do
Speaker 2: our towns and I love every little bit of where
Speaker 2: we go. And it doesn't matter that it could be
Speaker 2: the fog of Tawombird to the side of the road
Speaker 2: in Western Australia, playing a little bit of two up
Speaker 2: in Calgooley. You know, I love seeing as much of
Speaker 2: this country and despite the fact we've been doing it
Speaker 2: for years, we've still got a mega and massive list
Speaker 2: of places to see in regional Australia. But the assumption
Speaker 2: a ways is oh well, the house prices are cheaper
Speaker 2: there and yes, if you're comparing Sydney at one point
Speaker 2: one million dollars, regional areas are cheaper. But again, if
Speaker 2: people say, well, yeah, this is the better house, just
Speaker 2: go further out now, all that's true, But even if
Speaker 2: further out is the option, it's still pretty expensive. Again,
Speaker 2: these numbers are for the month of April, so this
Speaker 2: is about as up to date as you could possibly
Speaker 2: be when it comes to these numbers. Outside of Sydney
Speaker 2: seven hundred and fifty one thousand dollars, outside of Brisbane,
Speaker 2: seven hundred and thirty three one thousand dollars outside of
Speaker 2: Melbourne and Perth, bang on the same number five hundred
Speaker 2: and seventy eight thousand dollars outside of Hobart five hundred
Speaker 2: and twenty six thousand dollars. If you really want some
Speaker 2: value and pretty good lifestyle, you got a place like
Speaker 2: Renmark in South Australia four hundred and eighty six one
Speaker 2: thousand dollars and the Northern Territory outside of Darwin four
Speaker 2: hundred and sixteen thousand. Now, of course, one of the
Speaker 2: reasons why the prices keep going up is because there's
Speaker 2: only X number of houses, but due to population growth,
Speaker 2: both natural and immigration, not to mention intergenerationally, kids growing up,
Speaker 2: moving partners, coming together and splitting up. There are more
Speaker 2: people than ever before that are looking for homes, but
Speaker 2: there are not the number of homes available for the
Speaker 2: number of people who are trying to look for them.
Speaker 2: Put simply, if demand is bigger than supply, well then
Speaker 2: the cost goes up, meaning those with the most amount
Speaker 2: of money you're able to get a joint. Those who
Speaker 2: don't just have to sit on the sidelines. And then
Speaker 2: we get ourselves into the issues in and around the
Speaker 2: rental market, where of course more people chasing fewer properties
Speaker 2: because few are being built, but also because many properties
Speaker 2: that previously may well have been rented out for six
Speaker 2: or twelve months, well if they're in a reasonable enough spot.
Speaker 2: People like to airbnb and can almost get a year's
Speaker 2: worth of money out of doing it weekend to weekend.
Speaker 2: So cities have to look for new places to build.
Speaker 2: And yes, it always seems like it's further and further out,
Speaker 2: further and further up and down in terms of the
Speaker 2: north and south, and also up in the suburb that
Speaker 2: you were born in, in the suburb that you live
Speaker 2: in, in the suburb where you may well have had your
Speaker 2: first house if you went back to that street. There's
Speaker 2: probably a pretty good chance that what used to be
Speaker 2: quarter acre blocks are now starting to become high rise.
Speaker 2: And we know that there was a suggestion of about
Speaker 2: twenty five thousand new homes, and by that we mean
Speaker 2: units that we're going to go in on the Rosehill
Speaker 2: race Course site not too far from Paramatta in western Sydney.
Speaker 2: The people who are the members of the Australian Turf
Speaker 2: Club they said no to that, so that idea is
Speaker 2: off the table, but a new idea is being suggested
Speaker 2: as to where there could well be tens of thousands
Speaker 2: of new places for homes in and around Sydney. Now
Speaker 2: I get a national story, and there's lots of versions
Speaker 2: of this story playing, but I'm just going to focus
Speaker 2: in specifically on one area in Sydney. The Inner West
Speaker 2: of Sydney is a place which is filled with absolutely
Speaker 2: stunning homes, but they're normally smaller homes. They end up
Speaker 2: being sort of either not quite Federation, but they're basically
Speaker 2: sort of little two story terraces. And that's the way
Speaker 2: it is. Suburb after suburb after suburb, and there's only
Speaker 2: one place that is open fields and that is what
Speaker 2: used to be a passenger terminal which then became a
Speaker 2: cargo terminal, which is on a place called Glebe Island.
Speaker 2: That's the Anzac Bridge which is next to it that
Speaker 2: connects the Inner West or should I say Balmain Leichhart
Speaker 2: over across to Piermont and the inner city of Sydney. Well,
Speaker 2: that big patch of concrete that you can see is
Speaker 2: where for years when cars have come off ships they
Speaker 2: all get unloaded there. That's a major place where cars
Speaker 2: will be dropped off. But the nusowa's government is talking
Speaker 2: about turning that entire patch into tens of thousands of homes.
Speaker 2: In fact, either side of the bridge there are plans
Speaker 2: in the Inner West Bays precinct. The areas which you
Speaker 2: were in red here are all areas that where high
Speaker 2: density housing could end up going in. So all the
Speaker 2: people who are currently living in sort of the one
Speaker 2: two story lovely little places and they are gorgeous, absolutely gorgeous,
Speaker 2: but they are now going to have to feel what
Speaker 2: every other suburban Sydney in particular has had to feel,
Speaker 2: which is get ready for a heck of a lot
Speaker 2: more units. So you may well be able to if
Speaker 2: you lean this way and lean that way and stand up,
Speaker 2: you might be able to see just a flicker of water. Well,
Speaker 2: of course all of that will be gone. Why should
Speaker 2: up through the roof now? The chances of any of
Speaker 2: this happening anytime soon rather remote unless the Nusouals government
Speaker 2: just basically plays a heavy hand and says, whether you
Speaker 2: like it or not, we're getting it now. These areas.
Speaker 2: Maybe Labour will go hard at because these are areas
Speaker 2: which now have Greens members in the state parliament. So
Speaker 2: why would the Mustweld's Labour party care. But it's a
Speaker 2: perfect example. There are sites in Brisbane, there are sites
Speaker 2: in Melbourne that are very close to the city that
Speaker 2: are currently being used for a whole collection of other things.
Speaker 2: Will there be a day when those things are shut down,
Speaker 2: leveled off and what replaces them are not one or
Speaker 2: two bedrooms, not quardu acre houses, but instead shun sum
Speaker 2: sum sum. Because hundreds of thousands of people come into
Speaker 2: the country, let alone the hundreds of thousands who have
Speaker 2: enough money to go looking for a place of their own,
Speaker 2: and this particular area, I'll be fascinated to see the
Speaker 2: battle that takes place there. Because the very same part
Speaker 2: of Sydney is one that I mentioned last night that
Speaker 2: is playing a very big not in my backyard, a
Speaker 2: nimby game. You see within viewing distance of this big
Speaker 2: patch of concrete is the suburb of Boomin, formerly working class.
Speaker 2: My grandfather grew up there, told me the different stories
Speaker 2: that literally what are now multimillion dollar units was an
Speaker 2: old factory where he and others used to line up
Speaker 2: for work each and every day. And whether you've got
Speaker 2: it or not during the depression will of course meant
Speaker 2: whether the family was going to eat well or not. Right.
Speaker 2: But as you can see, the bell tower of a
Speaker 2: church is in the middle of the photo. To the
Speaker 2: right of it is where you can see what might
Speaker 2: be the place where all of these new houses go.
Speaker 2: Will the residents be fine with very high rise buildings
Speaker 2: in those areas, methinks not because that church, As I
Speaker 2: told you last night, that church is an outrage to
Speaker 2: some people in the local area because it's planning to
Speaker 2: buy some new bells and whack some new bells into
Speaker 2: the bell tower. Now, despite the fact the church has
Speaker 2: been there since nineteen oh seven, people that have moved
Speaker 2: in near the church in the years since nineteen oh seven,
Speaker 2: and our complaining to the local council. They're not allowed
Speaker 2: to have the bells because, among other things, it will
Speaker 2: disturb babies crying or babies trying to sleep, I say.
Speaker 2: And some people are complaining because they're twenty meters away
Speaker 2: from the bell tower that's been there since nineteen oh seven.
Speaker 2: You see, it's all well and good for the people
Speaker 2: who live in the absolute inner urban areas that assume
Speaker 2: because the rest of the street is terrace houses and
Speaker 2: at the end of the street there's a lovely little
Speaker 2: dog park that those areas will never change. So they're
Speaker 2: often the ones that are really cool with big Australia,
Speaker 2: with high numbers of immigration, people who believe that, of
Speaker 2: course we should have a renewable energy system. But God
Speaker 2: forbid if anyone wanted to put a wind farm in
Speaker 2: the middle of those dog parks. You see, this will
Speaker 2: be the challenge of housing in the next few years.
Speaker 2: Who will be able to afford these properties. Now, obviously,
Speaker 2: if they're high rise units and one side's looking back
Speaker 2: towards some concrete pillars, probably not going to be as
Speaker 2: valuable as the one that's looking out onto the edges
Speaker 2: of Sydney Harbor. Fascinated to see in the next few
Speaker 2: years if the people who want your area to change,
Speaker 2: particularly in regional Australia where bugger what you think about
Speaker 2: solo farms and wind farms, whether they are going to
Speaker 2: be fine for their areas to look vastly different than
Speaker 2: the way they used to because in part they've cheered
Speaker 2: on the problem. More people, not enough houses do as
Speaker 2: you know, the Australian Defense Minister met with the US
Speaker 2: Defense Secretary. Nice little touch of the pocket square. Not
Speaker 2: generally a pocket square man, but I like the red,
Speaker 2: white and blue of the American flag there on Pete
Speaker 2: hegsitff nice little look. And you may all have heard
Speaker 2: what the news has been out of this, and I
Speaker 2: know that several of my mates say here tonight, have
Speaker 2: been talking about it. Well.
Speaker 3: America is once again urging Australia to increase it of
Speaker 3: military spending.
Speaker 2: The Trump administration has put our country on notice.
Speaker 3: Donald Trump's White House has put an exact figure on
Speaker 3: how much it wants Australia to increase defense spending.
Speaker 4: The Prime Minister has brushed off a demand from the
Speaker 4: United States to boost defense spending.
Speaker 2: Ah, of course Orange Man bad remember every suggestion from him.
Speaker 2: If the Prime Minister says no, no, no, no no,
Speaker 2: then to the majority of people in this country who
Speaker 2: don't like Donald Trump, then it's a win.
Speaker 5: What you should do in defense has decide what you need,
Speaker 5: your capability, and then provide for it. That's what my
Speaker 5: government's doing, investing in our capability and investing in our relationships.
Speaker 5: That's what we are doing. That's what we will continue
Speaker 5: to do now Australia.
Speaker 2: But this standard of three percent, four percent, five percent
Speaker 2: of gross domestic product is not spending as much on
Speaker 2: defense as the United States would like. And obviously that
Speaker 2: in part is because we've gone okay, we've got to
Speaker 2: have a defense force. But if things really got serious,
Speaker 2: the Americans would somehow be able to come and save.
Speaker 2: This be pretty difficult if they had to get on
Speaker 2: a ship or take a couple of days to get
Speaker 2: here when it comes to assets. But that's the way
Speaker 2: we're run. But I wanted to mention something different here.
Speaker 2: And this doesn't mean that we shouldn't spend more money,
Speaker 2: but also it is to temper down the idea that
Speaker 2: we're not spending any money when it comes to defense.
Speaker 2: In fact, over the past twenty years, we have dramatically
Speaker 2: increased the amount of money that we spend on defense. Now,
Speaker 2: I had to look at the budget papers for two
Speaker 2: thousand and five and fifteen point six billion, which in
Speaker 2: today's dollars is twenty six and a half billion dollars,
Speaker 2: compares to fifty one billion dollars, so basically double over
Speaker 2: twenty years now. On the side, there's a whole bunch
Speaker 2: of money of course for Orcus and the three hundred
Speaker 2: billion dollars when it comes to subs, but that number
Speaker 2: is double where we were twenty years ago. But that
Speaker 2: number is still basically about half or under half of
Speaker 2: what the Americans would like us to be able to do.
Speaker 2: And I think, sure, there's billions of dollars, and I
Speaker 2: would probably be spending more money on missisles rather than
Speaker 2: the ships that take forever to get from the South
Speaker 2: to the top round into the Pacific button. I'm not
Speaker 2: going to pretend to be a defense military analyst. I'm
Speaker 2: just a bloke on TV. But perhaps one of the
Speaker 2: reasons why Australia is not going to be spending any
Speaker 2: more money on defense is because before I show you,
Speaker 2: what do you think the number one thing is that
Speaker 2: we spend the most amount of money on in our
Speaker 2: federal budget. Now, Greens and lefties will turn around and say, oh,
Speaker 2: it's definitely defense, right, like, surely we're pulling it up
Speaker 2: at the wall with the new submarines and that they're
Speaker 2: doubling on twenty years. No. You see, if you have
Speaker 2: a look at the federal budget that was released earlier
Speaker 2: this year, the number one thing we spend our money
Speaker 2: on is that little section in blue, social Security and welfare.
Speaker 2: Social Security and welfare now is thirty seven percent of
Speaker 2: the federal budget. Health is fifteen percent, Defense is almost seven, sorry,
Speaker 2: is almost six and a half, and education is at seven.
Speaker 2: So for all the conversation about defense spending and should
Speaker 2: we double it, well, even if we did double it
Speaker 2: and maybe it became, say twelve percent, maybe it became
Speaker 2: one hundred billion dollars, you'd still be way behind what
Speaker 2: the actual money they spend on, which is social security
Speaker 2: and welfare. To put this in dollar terms, about how
Speaker 2: over the past twenty years, the country's population has grown,
Speaker 2: but the amount of money being spent in the federal
Speaker 2: budget has grown way more than that. When it comes
Speaker 2: to social security and welfare, and of course you can't
Speaker 2: touch it, you can't talk about it, because why we're
Speaker 2: getting close to half the country that's got its hand
Speaker 2: out for something. In two thousand and five, eighty seven
Speaker 2: billion dollars or one hundred and fifty billion dollars in
Speaker 2: today's money, is how much we spent on social security
Speaker 2: and welfare. Just before I show, you have a guess,
Speaker 2: just have a wild guess. How much do you think
Speaker 2: that's gone up in twenty years? One hundred and forty
Speaker 2: nine billion, maybe two hundred billion, maybe two hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty billion, No, two hundred and ninety one billion dollars.
Speaker 2: The welfare bill in Australia has gone up by ninety
Speaker 2: four percent. Australia's population has not gone up by ninety
Speaker 2: four percent. In fact, in two thousand and five it
Speaker 2: was about twenty million, it's now twenty seven million. The
Speaker 2: increase in population is thirty seven percent. The increase in
Speaker 2: the welfare bill is ninety four percent, from one hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty billion back then to two hundred and ninety
Speaker 2: billion now. So yes, the welfare bill is going to
Speaker 2: go up because the number of people that we have
Speaker 2: here is more than it was twenty years ago. But
Speaker 2: every single year, every single government for the past twenty years,
Speaker 2: produces a federal budget. And the expectation of the federal
Speaker 2: budget is what's in it for you, or from the
Speaker 2: voter perspective, what's in it for me? And every single
Speaker 2: year labor liberal left, far left, center right government has
Speaker 2: to produce something that the newspapers can put on the
Speaker 2: front page, that we can talk about on television, that
Speaker 2: is the good is in the budget. Well, guess what
Speaker 2: eventually happens when you have a culture that is addicted
Speaker 2: to that. It means that the total spending on welfare
Speaker 2: again goes from one hundred and fifty billion dollars to
Speaker 2: almost three hundred billion dollars, an increase of ninety four percent,
Speaker 2: when the population has only increased by thirty seven percent.
Speaker 2: It didn't go up by fifty, it didn't go up
Speaker 2: by sixty, it didn't go up by seventy five or
Speaker 2: wine or by ninety four percent. And those are billions
Speaker 2: of dollars that we could spend on education or defense,
Speaker 2: we could spend on health, we could increase in every
Speaker 2: other area. But because the size of government, via welfare
Speaker 2: is thirty seven percent of the entire chunk of change.
Speaker 2: That is why we are in part in a world
Speaker 2: of trouble. That is why we are in one trillion
Speaker 2: dollars of debt. That is why we will move to
Speaker 2: one point two trillion dollars of debt before the next election.
Speaker 2: That is why there will be budget deficits not for
Speaker 2: the next five or ten, but for the next forty years.
Speaker 2: But there's a solution to all of this, and it
Speaker 2: was freely being offered in the pages of the City
Speaker 2: Morning Herald and the Age today. We should just increase taxes,
Speaker 2: with a whole bunch of quotes from people saying we're
Speaker 2: not over taxed. Nothing to see here everyone. Of course,
Speaker 2: of course everyone should just pay more. Okay you first,
Speaker 2: And speaking of when it comes to finances, let's have
Speaker 2: a little chat about smoking taxes. Now, this is not
Speaker 2: a hobby horse, because of course, you know, I make
Speaker 2: a stupid life, the choice to be a smoker. I
Speaker 2: get it. I know, my kids tell me each and
Speaker 2: every day. One day I will learn. But there is
Speaker 2: something that has been happening as a direct result of
Speaker 2: the government being addicted to a massive welfare bill. That
Speaker 2: in part is being paid for a massive amount of
Speaker 2: money that is raised via cigarette taxes.
Speaker 1: Dubbed the heartland of the illicit tobacco trade, Victoria has
Speaker 1: fast become a fiery battleground for a raging.
Speaker 6: Turf wall tobacco shop has been set alite in a
Speaker 6: suspected arson attack and logan.
Speaker 1: Erupting into a ball of flames. An auburn tobacco shop
Speaker 1: is set alike.
Speaker 2: Where there's smoke, there's firebombing.
Speaker 6: That's now the reality for tobacconists.
Speaker 2: And you see what's happening is that there are, as
Speaker 2: you know, this black market in tobacco trade which is
Speaker 2: happening all over the country. And in fact, we had
Speaker 2: this was our main research task today, which was to
Speaker 2: try to work out, okay, how many more tobacco shops
Speaker 2: are there around Australia compared to say, just before the pandemic, right,
Speaker 2: because we know the numbers in twenty twenty twenty twenty
Speaker 2: one are going to be a bit wonky. So let's
Speaker 2: go back, say to two thousand and nine. Team. Now,
Speaker 2: it depends on where your source is, but I'll be
Speaker 2: open about where the sauces are. Yes, there are way
Speaker 2: more tobacconists, way more places selling tobacco in Australia than
Speaker 2: ever before. In fact, twenty nineteen the number was, according
Speaker 2: to the ABC, fifteen thousand different places that were tobacco retailers.
Speaker 2: Now this number can go a little higher if it
Speaker 2: is a business which you know, might be a bar
Speaker 2: that's got a cigarette machine in it, might be a
Speaker 2: corner shop. But we're talking about not fifteen thousand tobacconists
Speaker 2: as such, but fifteen thousand places where you can buy tobacco. Well,
Speaker 2: now there are sixty tobacconists for every McDonald's that exists
Speaker 2: in some parts of Australia. Again, back to Sydney, they
Speaker 2: now say that there are twenty thousand different places which
Speaker 2: are selling tobacco products. Now, of course, smoking is never
Speaker 2: socially acceptable, and in twenty twenty five it is as
Speaker 2: socially unacceptable as it's ever been. The extreme majority of
Speaker 2: Australian stone light up, don't think about lighting up, and
Speaker 2: thankfully because of that change over many years, there's generations
Speaker 2: of people who have never smoked. Good on you. I
Speaker 2: apologize for letting the team down, But what of course
Speaker 2: has happening here is that there is more tobacconists around,
Speaker 2: and there are more tobacconists which are selling illegal tobacco.
Speaker 2: It's called chop chop. It's garbage that comes in via China.
Speaker 2: It is a total criminal operation. Think of it as
Speaker 2: any other form of drug, but this one. For some reason,
Speaker 2: they can put a sign out in front of their
Speaker 2: building as to what they are actually selling. Now, this
Speaker 2: is not me saying that every single tobacconist in Australia
Speaker 2: is selling illegal tobacco before anyone with more money than
Speaker 2: I could possibly dream of is thinking about launching a
Speaker 2: legal action. But you get my point here. Supposedly the
Speaker 2: number of people smoking has gone down, how has the
Speaker 2: number of places selling it gone up? Because of the
Speaker 2: crap that he is being sold in these places. And
Speaker 2: Chris Mins, the New soth Wales premiere, has seen the
Speaker 2: light that the taxation that the federal government puts on
Speaker 2: legal cigarettes is now too big and it means that
Speaker 2: a legal packet of cigarettes is twice, almost close to
Speaker 2: at times three times higher than what you could buy
Speaker 2: over the counter. In a tobacconist that is willing to
Speaker 2: sell crap from China. This is what he said today, I'm.
Speaker 4: Not arguing with the public health benefits of putting an
Speaker 4: excise on tobacco, but the massive increase has exploded the
Speaker 4: illicit tobacco marketplace.
Speaker 2: Aha. So again, we tried to do a bit of
Speaker 2: recess on all of this today. Had been working on
Speaker 2: it for a few days, but I was trying to
Speaker 2: work out that you've got this scenario where federal government
Speaker 2: it wants to take as much taxation as possible. They've
Speaker 2: used smoking taxes is something you continuously put up because
Speaker 2: no one should be smoking. So theoretically we should be
Speaker 2: making zero dollars out of tobacco. But the reality is
Speaker 2: that when budgets are the way they are, where we're
Speaker 2: spending double on welfare than we were twenty years ago,
Speaker 2: it's a chance to get an easy few billion dollars
Speaker 2: here and a few billion dollars there. And Jim Charmers
Speaker 2: is the latest of the treasurers who has gone for
Speaker 2: this supposed pot of gold. He of course has increased
Speaker 2: tobacco taxes on his brief watch as the country's treasurer.
Speaker 2: And the logic behind all of this again is the
Speaker 2: higher we make the prices, the fewer people will start smoking. Well,
Speaker 2: I'm going to show you the reality here. What you
Speaker 2: were going to see is the blue line on this
Speaker 2: graph that we have for you tonight, and that is
Speaker 2: the percentage of Australians who are smokers. Now it has
Speaker 2: definitely gone down from about fourteen percent towards twenty fifteen
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen and now it's down to just about, let's say,
Speaker 2: roughly ten percent. But the different policies of different governments
Speaker 2: have seen a reduction in the amount of smokers when
Speaker 2: there's been an increase in tax But then you can
Speaker 2: see upon the election of the Labor government in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty two, massive ramp up in taxes, but basically the
Speaker 2: number of smokers in Australia has stayed the same. So literally,
Speaker 2: in terms of the legal product, it doesn't matter what
Speaker 2: the cost of the legal product is. There's something about
Speaker 2: ten percent of people in Australia who have not changed
Speaker 2: their habits for whatever reasons. But then when you start
Speaker 2: to get into the detail that yes, the rate has
Speaker 2: gone up, but then it started to flatten that red
Speaker 2: number about the amount of taxation which is being charged,
Speaker 2: the actual amount of revenue the government is getting is
Speaker 2: starting to go down. So the taxes are high, which
Speaker 2: means the price is higher, but the number of people
Speaker 2: smoking is the same. So why is the federal government
Speaker 2: going down when it comes to tobacco taxes? They've previously
Speaker 2: taken in eight, ten, fifteen billion dollars, Well now it
Speaker 2: is sub ten billion dollars. Why because of people who
Speaker 2: are buying the cheap Chinese crap in one of thousands
Speaker 2: of more tobacconists which are appearing all over Australia, to
Speaker 2: a point where we can get to a ratio that
Speaker 2: for every one McDonald's there are sixty places that are
Speaker 2: going to be selling tobacco. That tobacco industry an illegal
Speaker 2: tobacco industry. The illegal tobacco industry is a criminal operation.
Speaker 2: If there is about ten percent of Australia that is
Speaker 2: going to keep smoking, as the numbers show us, the
Speaker 2: government is forcing those people, or at least pushing them
Speaker 2: towards it's the cheaper product because the legal product is
Speaker 2: now too expensive. It's time for cigarette taxes to start
Speaker 2: to move down, not to go right back where we
Speaker 2: were twenty years ago, but maybe just maybe start to
Speaker 2: meet the population where it is because if nothing else,
Speaker 2: and while I would love to be one of the
Speaker 2: people who would give up in the next little while.
Speaker 2: When it comes to smoking, the reality is that there
Speaker 2: are many of us who continue to make this stupid
Speaker 2: health decision, and regardless of the cost, there's many of
Speaker 2: us that have stayed at the same number for the
Speaker 2: best part of five years. Now. If the government is
Speaker 2: serious about helping their states or councils deal with illegal tobacco,
Speaker 2: they must bring down the cost of legal tobacco. But
Speaker 2: if the idea is to just keep increasing the price
Speaker 2: of the legal staff right up and off the scale,
Speaker 2: whether then the criminal stuff will just replace it. And
Speaker 2: for the more tobacconists there are the more fire bombings.
Speaker 2: Want that what do you personally find for more offensive?
Speaker 2: Somebody smoking on a balcony at home or somebody blowing
Speaker 2: up a shop that might be next to the cafe
Speaker 2: where you get your coffee each and every day. Quick
Speaker 2: break back with me here on Paul Murray Life. Thanks
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Speaker 2: One of my wife's dreams is to go and see
Speaker 2: the northern lights. We may not get there anytime soon.
Speaker 2: But if you were looking up last night, what about
Speaker 2: the Aurora Estrallas most further north that it has been
Speaker 2: in a very long period of time, FETO has taken
Speaker 2: all around the coastal areas of New South Wels. I
Speaker 2: think you've got it as far up as the mid
Speaker 2: North coast. But what an absolutely beautiful natural attraction for
Speaker 2: people to be able to look up and see. And
Speaker 2: the quality of people's photography now, not just for Instagram,
Speaker 2: but good old fashioned photos. They look absolutely beautiful, don't they.
Speaker 2: All right, speaking of let's be joined right now by
Speaker 2: the Lord Mayor of Melbour, none other than the wonderful
Speaker 2: Nicholas Reese, and a man who agrees with him on
Speaker 2: almost every single issue is none other than send in
Speaker 2: about Canavan is joining us from Queensland, a truly national
Speaker 2: show from the light show above New South Wales to
Speaker 2: Melbourne and beautiful central Queensland. All right, lads, let's get
Speaker 2: to this first here.
Speaker 7: Paul, you've just ruined, You've just ruined Nicholas's re election
Speaker 7: campaign by aligning in with me. But it's great to
Speaker 7: have Nicholas back. Great you're back on Monday.
Speaker 2: Nights well, and I know that there's going to be
Speaker 2: a massive agreeath on here because I talked about this
Speaker 2: last night, which was I'll mate Chris Bowen just you know,
Speaker 2: now that you know they have one, they'll never be
Speaker 2: challenged into the future. You know, there's no opposition intellectual
Speaker 2: or otherwise to the constant march of the Labor Party
Speaker 2: is that despite the fact that orange Man Bad is
Speaker 2: putting tariffs on steel and that's bad because it makes
Speaker 2: things more expensive for the American consumer, Chris Bowen is
Speaker 2: openly talking about US introducing tariffs on imports coming from
Speaker 2: anywhere in the world that may well be carbon intensive,
Speaker 2: so say a car, or a fridge, littlone, thousands and
Speaker 2: thousands of other products that come into the country. So
Speaker 2: I don't understand orange Man Bad when it comes to tariff's.
Speaker 2: Bowen just mad when it comes to tariff's here. This
Speaker 2: is in part what he had to say yesterday on
Speaker 2: the ABC.
Speaker 6: I know you've been looking at the option of Australia
Speaker 6: imposing a carbon tariff or a carbon border adjustment mechanism
Speaker 6: as the Europeans are looking at. What's he thinking on
Speaker 6: that at the moment?
Speaker 8: Well, We've been again clear that we want to ensure
Speaker 8: Australian industry it's best place to compete in a decarbonizing world.
Speaker 8: As you know, I commissioned Professor Frank Yotso last year
Speaker 8: to advise the government. He's made public consultation papers. Those
Speaker 8: papers make clear he thinks the settings are right in
Speaker 8: the short term, but there are things we can think
Speaker 8: about in the medium.
Speaker 1: To long term.
Speaker 8: And obviously that's something I'll continue to progress this term
Speaker 8: with my cabinet colleagues.
Speaker 2: So Matt buried in the paperwork not mentioned for the
Speaker 2: past few months, but something that they're willing to be
Speaker 2: out and proud about as something Now help me out
Speaker 2: steal tariff, bad carbon tariff.
Speaker 7: Good well, Paul, you've identified the international inconsistency here rightly so,
Speaker 7: but I'd like to just focus on a bit more
Speaker 7: of a domestic inconsistency, because Paul, well, riddle me this, Batman.
Speaker 7: I mean, how is it that apparently renewable energy is
Speaker 7: cheaper and helps us reduce the cost of doing things,
Speaker 7: But then we need to put a tariff in place
Speaker 7: to protect the businesses that are forced to use the
Speaker 7: renewable energy.
Speaker 1: Those two things don't add up here.
Speaker 7: The very fact that Chris Bowen has had to say
Speaker 7: that he has to put on a tariff to protect
Speaker 7: our steel or eliminiums NT industries completely blows his case
Speaker 7: out of the water that somehow going to net zero
Speaker 7: is not going to cost the austral people anything extra
Speaker 7: or in d as they were promising. They said it
Speaker 7: was going to be cheaper, We're going to get cheaper
Speaker 7: power prices. Things would be better, well if they if
Speaker 7: they were going to be better and cheaper and easier,
Speaker 7: why do they need these tariffs to protect our industries
Speaker 7: that are competing against countries that are not pursuing net
Speaker 7: zero or not decarbonizing in the language that Chris Bowen
Speaker 7: has used. That inconsistency blows the government's argument completely out
Speaker 7: out of the water. And it is about time that
Speaker 7: we have a proper costing of how much is net
Speaker 7: zero is this goal costing the Australian people. That's never
Speaker 7: been done. We've never had a full proper costing in
Speaker 7: this country of how much pursuing that zero would cost.
Speaker 7: We've usually had a bunch of handwaving about how I
Speaker 7: know it's not going to cost any money? Because renewable
Speaker 7: andy's cheaper and it's going to be going to be
Speaker 7: even better for everybody. Well, the government's policy here on
Speaker 7: tariffs totally shows that to be a lie, and I
Speaker 7: think the Australian people deserve to know the truth.
Speaker 2: Nick, You've just done our budget for the city. You'd
Speaker 2: be fine to pay what ten percent all the things
Speaker 2: that you use that have been imported from carbon intensive countries.
Speaker 9: Well, I think what Chris Bowen's saying here actually makes
Speaker 9: a lot of sense in the straight talk expressed from Melbourne.
Speaker 9: I'm happy to explain it to Matt and anyone else
Speaker 9: who wants to tune in here. Of course, the world
Speaker 9: is decarbonizing.
Speaker 1: And that's a good thing.
Speaker 9: It means we're going to have a cleaner planet and
Speaker 9: will be a better planet as well.
Speaker 1: And why we don't want to.
Speaker 9: Have happen in Australia is that is that companies try
Speaker 9: and are offshore, they're emitting activities and avoid our environmental laws.
Speaker 9: Nobody in Australia would want to see that happen, and
Speaker 9: so I think Chris Bone is just making the sensible selection.
Speaker 9: If you're going to try and get around own environmental
Speaker 9: laws by offshoring your emitting activities or we're not.
Speaker 1: Going to have a bar of that. So I think
Speaker 1: that make certaintens.
Speaker 2: Now as just the second point here, and then make
Speaker 2: you're back in. But but Nick, my issue is right.
Speaker 2: If the cost of Australian steel going into the United
Speaker 2: States is now twenty five percent more expensive equals Orange
Speaker 2: Man bad, how is it that all of the things
Speaker 2: that we take out of the ground and send to
Speaker 2: the rest of the world, which a major proportion of
Speaker 2: things like company tax let alone mining taxes, all the
Speaker 2: rest of it, that those two might get twenty five
Speaker 2: percent put on them. Because that's what the Europeans are
Speaker 2: talking about. How would that not be exactly the same thing?
Speaker 9: Because like Donald Trump's steel tariffs are stupid America first
Speaker 9: policies which are actually going to make America poorer, whereas
Speaker 9: the idea of carbon tariffs are there to achieve a
Speaker 9: stated and sound policy aim, which is to stop companies
Speaker 9: off sharing their omitting practices to avoid AUSTRAI and environmental law.
Speaker 9: So one to a good end what's been proposed in
Speaker 9: Australia that fools in a.
Speaker 1: Falls in even know.
Speaker 9: I've explained to you now going back to I was
Speaker 9: going to explain Matt Canvan's riddle to everyone earlier.
Speaker 2: Check game keeping.
Speaker 9: So I remember this debate from years ago, and it's
Speaker 9: great to be back.
Speaker 1: And I'll re explain it to Matt.
Speaker 9: So, old coal is cheaper than new renewables, but of
Speaker 9: course new renewables are cheaper the new coal. And so yes,
Speaker 9: there are these old coal clunkers out there, these old
Speaker 9: coal fired power stations which have completely depreciated in value
Speaker 9: and can produce energy very cheaply. Of course they're ruining
Speaker 9: the planet, but they do produce cheap power, at least
Speaker 9: in financial terms on the books of the companies that
Speaker 9: own them. But as we move to decarbonizing our planet,
Speaker 9: new renewables are cheaper the new coal. But for the
Speaker 9: time that we've got a situation where new renewables are cheaper,
Speaker 9: new renewables at the moment are more expensive than old coal.
Speaker 2: Okay, but transition, I'm glad.
Speaker 1: Next just admitted. Next just admitted.
Speaker 7: Next just admitted that it is more costly because it's
Speaker 7: costly to shut down an old coal fire POWERstation.
Speaker 1: That's a cost. It's a cost to the Australian consumer.
Speaker 7: It's a cost to Australia industry because we could run
Speaker 7: thoselers cheap. You've admitted that they're cheaper, those cheap coal
Speaker 7: fire powerstations longer. The second problem with your argument, Nick,
Speaker 7: is that is that China's not using that The competitors
Speaker 7: here we're talking about, let's face his China, they're not
Speaker 7: using old coal fire POWERstation.
Speaker 1: They're building new ones. They're building new.
Speaker 7: Ones two times a week and so and so they're
Speaker 7: still apparently cheaper than than our new renewables.
Speaker 1: That doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 7: But at the core of this argument, I'll sum this
Speaker 7: argument up, I'll sun this argment up. If I put
Speaker 7: this red hat on, Paul. If I put this red
Speaker 7: hat on and say tariffs are good.
Speaker 2: That's bad.
Speaker 1: That's really bad.
Speaker 7: If I take the red hat off and say tariffs
Speaker 7: are good, they're good, that's the argument.
Speaker 1: That's their argument. It's totally about the red hat. It's
Speaker 1: got nothing more than.
Speaker 2: That well done, well done, all right.
Speaker 9: If they're going to build new coal and try and
Speaker 9: sell it back to us and avoid our environmental laws,
Speaker 9: we're on. I'm right, and we're going to put a
Speaker 9: carbon TARIFM to catch them out.
Speaker 2: That's not Okay, Australia makes it. We're Australia makes zero cars, Nick,
Speaker 2: zero zero electric cars, zero zero petrol cars. Okay, steel
Speaker 2: is involved in those things. Okay. Now, even if they
Speaker 2: are paid for empowered by hydrogen or green steel or whatever, right,
Speaker 2: it's still going to be a carbon intensive industry, meaning
Speaker 2: that a tax would be put on every metal car
Speaker 2: coming into the country. Wouldn't that be one of the
Speaker 2: consequences here?
Speaker 9: No, the tax would apply when a company is trying
Speaker 9: to avoid or offshore it's omitting practice and avoid Australian
Speaker 9: environmental laws.
Speaker 1: That that that's when you'd be using it.
Speaker 2: Okay, So you're now again, this is very wide, it's
Speaker 2: very vague, and Nicholas isn't Chris Bowen. But it'll be
Speaker 2: fascinating to see that.
Speaker 7: I mean, why do Nick, if you believe in this,
Speaker 7: why don't we use the tariffs then to protect our
Speaker 7: steel industry from dumped Chinese steel, from Chinese steel that
Speaker 7: is that is that is getting around the international trade agreements.
Speaker 7: China is clearly subsidizing its steel industry in a way
Speaker 7: that's not consistent with its obligation under the World Trade Organization.
Speaker 7: So if you're okay to tariff steel if they're not
Speaker 7: meeting some climate agreement. Why don't we put tariffs on
Speaker 7: our domestic steel when they're not meeting trade agreements? Nick
Speaker 7: now I have argued for the latter, the former though
Speaker 7: the environmental one. The problem with those is you're adding
Speaker 7: an additional cost. It's an additional cost for strength consumers,
Speaker 7: it's an additional cost for steel production in this country,
Speaker 7: for a building costs in this country. For what benefit? Like,
Speaker 7: you're not we're not changing the environment there. But the
Speaker 7: subsidized steel comes in from China is clearly breaching trade agreements.
Speaker 7: It's clearly distorting world markets. Why don't we get back
Speaker 7: to being self sufficient and still we only produce enough study? Yeah,
Speaker 7: really quickly, Why don't we get serious about the abuse
Speaker 7: that China is doing to world trade marks? That's exactly
Speaker 7: what Trump's doing really in essence, why don't.
Speaker 2: We do that?
Speaker 1: That's right?
Speaker 9: Look, I absolutely agree we should not be tolerating those practices,
Speaker 9: whether it's China or any country for that matter. But
Speaker 9: the Australian approach on these things is to say we
Speaker 9: support a rules based order.
Speaker 1: And so, for example, with.
Speaker 9: The Trump Trump tariffs on Australia. The Australian response was well,
Speaker 9: we're not going to match it, which you know, at
Speaker 9: first people think is that the right thing to do,
Speaker 9: but it's well, if you support a rules based order,
Speaker 9: you're not going to go down that pathway.
Speaker 1: So I absolutely agree we.
Speaker 9: Should be responding strongly against dumping practices into our country,
Speaker 9: but you do that by going through the WTA, not
Speaker 9: responding with tariffs. That's that's the kind of current thinking
Speaker 9: on it not working.
Speaker 2: And you're going all right, quick break back with more
Speaker 2: lots to agree with here, very good point from both
Speaker 2: of you. Appreciate it. We'll talk about the rece police
Speaker 2: moving around Melbourne and a whole lot more. Speaking of
Speaker 2: beautiful things that are around a lot of fog about
Speaker 2: in Sydney this morning. Now I know people go it's
Speaker 2: a peace super I'll be honest if anyone can tell
Speaker 2: me what that actually means feel free. I just heard
Speaker 2: this is one of those things that gets said Sydney.
Speaker 2: Of course, Now in Melbourne it was perfect, amazing as always, Nicholas.
Speaker 2: But still some beautiful photos there from Sydney. If you
Speaker 2: see nice things you'd like just to show on the
Speaker 2: Telly can see in them, Paul, it's goynews dot com
Speaker 2: dot are you so divid? Good at night and then
Speaker 2: pretty fog around in the morning in Sydney. Here with
Speaker 2: Nicholas Reese and with Matt Canavan. So Nick, as the
Speaker 2: Lord Mayor of Melbourne, I have read a lot about
Speaker 2: these Recee Police more security guards ones working on behalf
Speaker 2: of Melbourne City. What are they going to be doing?
Speaker 2: Will they have sirens on their head? Will will you
Speaker 2: be the one recording the E or E or E
Speaker 2: or like? What is the rece police?
Speaker 9: Well, look, we have been trialing security guards, but under
Speaker 9: our budget now it's two weeks ago, we'll be moving
Speaker 9: now to community safety offices, which the Melbourne media have
Speaker 9: now dubbed.
Speaker 2: The rees police.
Speaker 9: And yeah, essentially it's a City of Melbourne engaging community
Speaker 9: safety offices to keep our streets safe. I said in
Speaker 9: the election, I was not mucking around. I was going
Speaker 9: to go very hard on city safety and that's what
Speaker 9: we are doing. So we'll be putting our own employed
Speaker 9: by the City of Melbourne Safety Office on the street,
Speaker 9: very visible safety presence, going after anti social behavior, a
Speaker 9: legal alcohol and drug consumption, aggressive begging, cleaning up the streets, Mate,
Speaker 9: cleaning up the streets.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: Now. Look look I just want to pitch something live.
Speaker 7: Here, Can I say, Paul, Paul? Can I just quickly
Speaker 7: add in great initiative from Nick, But what is going
Speaker 7: on here? Nick's for tariffs, He's now for extra cop solid.
Speaker 7: He just has to build a wall around Melbourne next
Speaker 7: to you will put the red hat on. Hell, it'll
Speaker 7: be make Melbourne great again.
Speaker 1: Good on your neck? That's correct. I mean that dad
Speaker 1: who already built the wall. He doesn't safety.
Speaker 9: Safety doesn't sit on a political spectrum, an ideological spectrums.
Speaker 1: Just for it what I'm all about.
Speaker 2: Hey, we love the idea and you know I would
Speaker 2: have let it boxed for you in that campaign. I
Speaker 2: just did digital letter boxing via the tell he's saying,
Speaker 2: we like Nick and we're glad that he's there. Is
Speaker 2: the mayor. All right, let's also talk you about, not
Speaker 2: to get fully back into the climate conversation, but local
Speaker 2: community in Queensland Matte has taken, has caught your right
Speaker 2: because they're pushing back against a massive battery development. I
Speaker 2: also noticed that in New South Wales in some of
Speaker 2: the built up sort of industrial areas, but also residential
Speaker 2: around a place called Quarry Park. The state government there
Speaker 2: said no no, no, no, no to battery and a
Speaker 2: data center request there thoughts.
Speaker 7: Well, look, Paul, I don't want to make this into
Speaker 7: another climate walls if you like. But I met with
Speaker 7: some people today and there's been some stories about them
Speaker 7: where look, it's just not appropriate to have these large
Speaker 7: industrial facilities, in one case within one hundred and twenty
Speaker 7: meters of someone's laund room.
Speaker 1: That's just not right.
Speaker 7: I mean, why can't these industrial facilities go into an
Speaker 7: industrial center. So I'm not against all batteries, but the
Speaker 7: way they're rolling out at the moment is completely uncontrolled.
Speaker 7: At least here in Queensland. There's no guidelines for councils.
Speaker 7: They just go through a council approval process. There's no
Speaker 7: major environmental impact assessment. And as I say, we have
Speaker 7: planning schemes for a purpose in rural farming areas. They
Speaker 7: should not just be industrialized. People deserve to have just
Speaker 7: bought a house on Someone's just spent over a million
Speaker 7: dollars for a house that I was speaking to or
Speaker 7: about today, and now they're going to have a massive,
Speaker 7: big battery for one hundred Megwa battery one hundred and
Speaker 7: twenty meters from their homes that shouldn't be on.
Speaker 2: As I mentioned last night, I was in Brisbane over
Speaker 2: the weekend, had the chance to go to a birthday
Speaker 2: party my dear friend Isabella. Just around the corner from that,
Speaker 2: there was this protest. As we're turning up to the restaurant, becaus,
Speaker 2: just what's going on over here? Right? It points out
Speaker 2: that the Wickham Hotel, which is a famous, very progressive
Speaker 2: part of a bar and very progressive part of Bricebane,
Speaker 2: w well, they decided to have a protest. Why because
Speaker 2: there was a quote unquote Zionist event which was rubbish
Speaker 2: but still being held inside. Now, obviously you can rent
Speaker 2: a space in any pub anywhere, but apparently there was
Speaker 2: a protest because the wrong type of people were having
Speaker 2: an unapproved gathering. According to their logic. Some of the
Speaker 2: staff even walked off. He's part of the protest. So Nick,
Speaker 2: let's talk about this here. If you're not breaking the law,
Speaker 2: if you're not some hate group all the rest of it, right,
Speaker 2: sure that you're able to walk into anywhere and rent
Speaker 2: a room. Because if we want a scenario where people
Speaker 2: turn around, say I disagree with why you're renting the room,
Speaker 2: so therefore you're not allowed to. Isn't that the reverse
Speaker 2: of the old baker and the gay couple.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, look, I think that's pretty ugly scenes
Speaker 9: there in Brisbane and not the sort of thing we
Speaker 9: want to see in Australia, you know, the most inclusive, tolerant,
Speaker 9: welcoming society country in the world. And you know, Zionism
Speaker 9: is a completely legitimate political movement people who believe in
Speaker 9: a state of Israel. But unfortunately we got a situation
Speaker 9: in Australian politics at the moment where people, you know,
Speaker 9: equate Zionism with the Yahoo government and also sort of
Speaker 9: confuse Austrange Jews with the state, the political state of Israel.
Speaker 9: So people are getting all these things sort of mixed up.
Speaker 9: So Zionism is a completely acceptable, you know, political philosophy,
Speaker 9: and you know, many people, including myself, believe in it.
Speaker 9: And so the fact that these people are protesting about
Speaker 9: that and trying to say if you believe in Zionism,
Speaker 9: you sport everything that the net you know, who government
Speaker 9: is doing is completely misguided actually, and the people who
Speaker 9: are going to that event feeling quite threatened and that's
Speaker 9: that's terrible.
Speaker 2: Because I can say we weren't even there fifty minutes
Speaker 2: around the road and I went, oh, I've notice this Matt,
Speaker 2: your red butter bloke as his nick of course, but
Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you about your thoughts on what
Speaker 2: his new sport. It's kind of up there with the
Speaker 2: Slapping League, which is a thing called run It. I've
Speaker 2: got to say. I follow it on Instagram. They are
Speaker 2: full on videos, but basically two blokes a few meters
Speaker 2: apart run directly out each other. Can you knock the
Speaker 2: other bloke over? If you do, you get the points?
Speaker 2: Is this a sport? Is it okay? And would you
Speaker 2: turn up to it if it rolled into rocking? No?
Speaker 1: I don't like it.
Speaker 7: I don't think it's a smart thing to do. Just
Speaker 7: start martwab do things. Maybe it's going back to some
Speaker 7: kind of dar winning and survival of the fittest sort
Speaker 7: of approach here, But.
Speaker 1: No, I look, this is it's ridiculous.
Speaker 7: So look, I'm actually as a parent, I'm particularly concerned
Speaker 7: about the new evidence of head injuries that occur in
Speaker 7: contact sports. I think it's a serious issue. You see
Speaker 7: some of the enormous the damage that's been done to
Speaker 7: some of our bravest and most courageous football players in
Speaker 7: the past.
Speaker 1: It's a serious problem. Now. I still love rugby league
Speaker 1: and I.
Speaker 7: Want to support the authorities in doing everything they can
Speaker 7: to stop that problem. But having guys just just do
Speaker 7: this sort of stuff for no particular purpose, it's not
Speaker 7: on stop it.
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Good stuff. Thank you lads, do appreciate it. We'll see
Speaker 2: you again next Monday. Hello, Nicholas Salo, Matt we'll see
Speaker 2: you soon and shake hands and world under the Commissioner
Speaker 2: of the Race Police. Good stuff. All right, quick break back,
Speaker 2: We're more here on Paul Murray Live. In fact, I've
Speaker 2: got somebody to tell you another example of each way, Albo.
Speaker 2: You gonna like this one. Happy birthday two of the
Speaker 2: greats of Australian cricket, Mark and Steve Wore. They turned
Speaker 2: sixty today. Legends of Australian cricket. Of course, from Wogger
Speaker 2: all the way through New South Wales and then representing Australia.
Speaker 2: They define an absolute hera of Australian cricket that sadly
Speaker 2: we are not about to repeat anytime soon. But absolute
Speaker 2: hardcore Blokes and Steve Whore have had the chance to
Speaker 2: meet a few times. Absolutely ripping bloke. Now, before we go,
Speaker 2: remember when Fatima Payman decided to quit the Labor Party
Speaker 2: to become an independent. What was the reaction of the
Speaker 2: Prime Minister and Labor figures at the time.
Speaker 6: Labor Party.
Speaker 5: She's accountable for what she says and if people have
Speaker 5: a look at I have seen a range of comments
Speaker 5: that have been made, including Senator Payman saying that somehow
Speaker 5: my comments which just called out what she had said
Speaker 5: to people. And you know I heard a month.
Speaker 3: The Guard Senator payment would not be a senator in
Speaker 3: the Australian Senate if she hadn't been a Labor candidate
Speaker 3: for the Australian Senate. So if a person's honorable enough
Speaker 3: to take on the role of being a candidate for
Speaker 3: a political party, then they also have to consider, well
Speaker 3: should they be in the Senate if they're no longer
Speaker 3: a part of that political party.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, the Labor Party no room for rats
Speaker 2: unless they come from the Green Sterndra Cox, he's a
Speaker 2: Green Senator from Western Australia. I now say former Green
Speaker 2: senator because she's given them the biscuit and she has
Speaker 2: joined the Labor Party. So what does the Prime Minister
Speaker 2: say about someone leaving one party to join his.
Speaker 5: I would like to welcome Senator Cox back to the
Speaker 5: Australian Labor Party and to our Labor government. As Senator
Speaker 5: Cox has just said, she wants to be part of
Speaker 5: a team that's delivering pro progress for this country by
Speaker 5: being a part of a government that can make decisions
Speaker 5: to make a difference.
Speaker 2: It rights itself each way. Elbow, don't leave me, but
Speaker 2: you can leave them to be with me. He's elect
Speaker 2: Debate