1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: A curious test case at the tribunal as bomber Dylan 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: Shield faces suspension for the push that set off a 3 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: chain reaction. 4 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 2: Carlton's incoming chief executive explains his faith in Michael Voss 5 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 2: as the first change is made in the. 6 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 1: Football department and that w edition of players. Knights rival 7 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:25,799 Speaker 1: captains Ruby Slisher and Abbie McKay join us ahead of 8 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: opening nights season. 9 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 3: We've talked about is this step into it, embrace all. 10 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: Of it in the room and reason it's unedifying for 11 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 1: a senior coach to do that. 12 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 2: They're on the side of Courtia with the brain tape. 13 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: The man on They played the best footy I've ever 14 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: seen at the start of the season. And Andrew said, 15 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: President left the couple Order said, of course they do. 16 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:45,639 Speaker 1: It is the stuff that legends are made of. 17 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 3: What is holding the ball? 18 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 2: I don't think I could answer it clearly right now 19 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 2: that I. 20 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 4: Could do something wrong, you know, And I need to 21 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 4: get on the board sexually the fans, lover and with 22 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 4: no fans, no through. 23 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 3: Sixty year old. 24 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: Major announcements. So I want you to feel the beats. Dad, 25 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 1: You've got to be exactly the right mood you've got 26 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: to get your shizzled. You've got to get your giningers, 27 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: you got to get your Wii because he has come 28 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: into the grounded. 29 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 3: Sorry, I'm sorry, gonna get your Wii. 30 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:25,320 Speaker 1: You've got to drop it like a top. I'm not 31 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: Is this Snoop Dogg? This is Snoop Dogg. 32 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 2: I'm not a music man, as you know, but I'm 33 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 2: really not a musing man on the back of this. 34 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 2: Is this going to get one hundred thousand people up 35 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 2: out of this seat? I know he's going to be 36 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:38,479 Speaker 2: great in the lead out. I think the dog would 37 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 2: be great. You bring a Martha with him, but in 38 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 2: the lead up you'll immerse himself. 39 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 3: I just like it. Fine, I don't know. 40 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: You've got to tell me. So he's a wrapper amongst us. 41 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: It's half time in LA at the Super Bowls. The 42 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: Doctor Dre and eminem and so how to support crew 43 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: with him? 44 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 2: And that's that's the home of this sort of hip 45 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 2: hop rap stuff, isn't it? 46 00:01:58,640 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 3: How old am I sound? 47 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: That's going to go? 48 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 3: Yeah? 49 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: Exactly, how heavily? Anyway, it's a big name, global superstar massive. 50 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 2: I'm sure he'll immerse himself in all of the carry 51 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 2: on in the lead up, which will be great. You 52 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 2: can get him on the radio show and look, I'm 53 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 2: sure he'll do a great job. I'm just not it's 54 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 2: not my bag. But anyway, I'm not the target audience. 55 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:28,679 Speaker 2: That's nothing, Jared. I'd stop there. You're going to lose 56 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 2: half an audience. 57 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:30,239 Speaker 3: If you continue. 58 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: I've spent the day fundamentally understanding the truth. I'm not 59 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: in the calls. 60 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 2: We must have one song that even nufs like me 61 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 2: can identify and recognize. Otherwise it's a poor choice. That's 62 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 2: that's the bar, at least one, Jared. No, it's all 63 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 2: wouldn't want to be that one. 64 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: It's all on Andrew Dillon here, come on. 65 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 3: Deals. 66 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 5: It's been a long process and a complicated process, but 67 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 5: it always is. But we're really happy that we've got 68 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 5: a iconic music act who's going to be on the 69 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 5: stage in Australian sport on the last Saturday and September. 70 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 5: And he's been at the Super Bowl, been at the Olympics, 71 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 5: so yeah, you can't wait for it. He had a 72 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 5: bit of an idea. He's got a team, the Western Bulldogs. 73 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 5: I think his favorite player was Bailey Smith, but he 74 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:17,519 Speaker 5: was a bit flatty left. 75 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: And went to the cats hell. 76 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 3: The dogs work, all right? 77 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: Are we in for it? So do we want him 78 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: on our grand final show? 79 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,399 Speaker 2: Damn straight, we do. I become a convert by then 80 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 2: you can get him here. 81 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: All right, here's all we have lined up for it tonight. 82 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: We're during the Tribune in a few moments time with 83 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: David Zena Ray Chamberlain on the push that he called 84 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: out right at the start of the season, and it 85 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: continues on our captains for the Thursday night opener of 86 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: season ten at AFLW Ruby and Abby are going to 87 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: join us at the desk. Then all the footing news 88 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: and isn't there a lot in the trade space at 89 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: the moment Lauren Wood, John Ralph and Scott Gullen as 90 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: the home and away season reaches its climax, Yes it is. 91 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: And then tomorrow night Simon Goodwin will be with us 92 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: at the desk. So we've lived the season of a 93 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: senior coach didn't make it to the end of the season. 94 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: So these things break in a few different directions. Simon 95 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: will be with us a week after his sacking from Melbourne. 96 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: John longmyand Adam Simpson and Emma more and Laura Kane 97 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 1: with the big picture of season ten of AFL. Great. 98 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 2: We've got the two captains, two girls coming up. It'll 99 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 2: be an awesome big game to Thursday night kick the 100 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 2: season off. 101 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 1: Give us a Tuesday favorite. You flagged this last night. 102 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I wanted to talk about this last night, but 103 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 2: I'm happy to do it now. Artie Roberts this year 104 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 2: with the Essen footy. Gud's went a challenging year for 105 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 2: Essident in so many aspects, and you can be what 106 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 2: happens in these things. And I'm sure the selectors won't 107 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 2: be doing this because they have to pay attention, but 108 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 2: you can lose your way in a long season and 109 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 2: Essident become one of those teams. Unless you're a real 110 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 2: Essen fan or your team's playing against them, you can 111 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 2: be forgiven for not watching them as closely as others 112 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 2: as you would. Adelaide with Daniel Curtin, who's a favorite, 113 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 2: and he's outstanding young talent as well well. But if 114 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 2: you haven't been watching, you missed this folk. No one's 115 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 2: had more footed than him in terms of the NAB 116 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 2: Rising Star fancies. He's a The read O favorite is 117 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 2: Curtain and Reid Murphy Reid, would we both win great winners. 118 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 2: He's had as good a year as Levi Ashcroft in 119 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 2: my mind, Levi Ashcroft, I'm a massive fan of as well. 120 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 2: Look at his composure, his class, and he puts a 121 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 2: very very high price on every possession he gets here 122 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 2: and so he's average almost twenty five touches a game, 123 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 2: which is a big number for first year we have 124 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 2: for a rising star. Play played a few games last 125 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 2: year and he puts value on the possession. 126 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 3: So he's got. 127 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 2: Better and better and better, and I think he's in 128 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 2: the argument right up to his eyeballs. 129 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 1: So you've done the work historically on rising star contender. 130 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 3: It's not just numbers. 131 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 2: I mean, we know that foot is much more than 132 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,679 Speaker 2: just possessions. But he does find it, and he finds 133 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 2: it in a team that is you know, you've got 134 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 2: to weigh all these things up. Daniel Curtain's playing on 135 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 2: the wing in the Premiership favorite and playing really well, 136 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 2: so that puts him in contingent if you read has 137 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 2: been great from the word game. But don't sleep on 138 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 2: this young guy. I think he's had an outstanding year. 139 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 2: They're a bit off Broadway because this season's dropped away, 140 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 2: but the selectors won't have him off Broadway. 141 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 3: He'll be right right there. 142 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: Has to be on the ballot. Paper world done, but 143 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: you got case made. North's New Nanna. Were you watching 144 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: this on Sunday? This was fantastic when we get the 145 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: first look at the family of a debutante. So this 146 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 1: is Cooper trend Barth and his Nan, Vicki is in 147 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 1: the stands now he's picked up in the mid season 148 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: trade period out of the VFL program. NaN's barracked for 149 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: the Bulldog. She's a member, a fifty year member. So 150 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 1: this is a stretch. Is on goes the North scarf 151 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:46,239 Speaker 1: and then Hardo told the beautiful story that the highlight 152 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 1: of her day other than seeing and grandson kicking his 153 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: first goal, where she got to meet Caleb Daniel who 154 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: she had cheered for a premiership. That's so good and 155 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: he played well yeah yeah. 156 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 2: And then's that a magnificent day out. 157 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 1: Vicky captured our hearts. It was beautifully told throughout the 158 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: broadcast and that does give your way into it, doesn't. 159 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 3: It's awesome, awesome, awesome. 160 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: Top of the agenda. It's a curious case of the Tribune. 161 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: It's one that doesn't fit the regular parameters that it 162 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: has caused a lot of debate from the very moment 163 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: it happened, the chain reaction set off by Dylan Shield. 164 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: The question sitting over it is this is suspension and 165 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: is it captured in the rules? 166 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 2: Oh no, that's Dylan Shield pushing. Pushing, that's dangerous. What 167 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 2: was your flinch reaction when you saw that? For the 168 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 2: first five kids did. 169 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: Look great in the way that Lua landed you, mister 170 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: for a second. 171 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 4: We teach craft, We've teach about engagement, early contact, late contact. 172 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 4: He's made early contact easy, particular the space for himself 173 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 4: if he is. 174 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: Let him off. I didn't like the action. 175 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 6: I think, you know, all the way back to Ryan 176 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 6: Mantil earlier on in the season. 177 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 3: You know it's a similar type act and he could 178 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 3: have ended really badly. 179 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 4: I I don't think he's planning to push someone into 180 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 4: his teammates, So I don't. I mean, I'm sorry to 181 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 4: argue with the king is, but I see it the 182 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 4: other way. 183 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 7: We did the game, and as soon as that happened, 184 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 7: I said to brand I said that that action has 185 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 7: to get out of our game. 186 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 4: If they think that he's he's pushed an opposition player 187 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 4: trying to push him into someone else, then that's a 188 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 4: different thing. 189 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 8: I can't see it that way looking at that. 190 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,079 Speaker 1: The action has been problematic since the scratch matches this season. 191 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,079 Speaker 1: Gas in the moment you saw it. Sometimes just the 192 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: funch reaction is the best reaction. You're just immediately KNOWEP 193 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: and I know. 194 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 2: You're going to go into the intricacies of the tribunal 195 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 2: and how difficult it is. I could take this one, 196 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 2: say that's a week. Just Dylan pushed him into a player. 197 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 2: The player luckily didn't break his neck, and we don't 198 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 2: want him the game in any way, shape or form. 199 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 3: Give him a week won't happen again. 200 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: So how to try that case under the laws as 201 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: they are written? David Zeena, welcome hy Jared, Hi Gary. 202 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: From the very outset of this case, when no charge 203 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: was actually laid and no plea entered, this has been 204 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: highly unusual. 205 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 7: Yeah, both sides of it, and this is a very 206 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 7: unusual case. It's been referred to the tribunal ungraded, and 207 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 7: that is not something that normally happens. If Ever, with 208 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,239 Speaker 7: the tribunal, you can count on one hand the amount. 209 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: Of times this has happened. 210 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 7: So Dylan Shield gave evidence and he said that his 211 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 7: eyes were on the ball up until after the push. 212 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 7: He says he was executing craft. He was trying to 213 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 7: create space and make sure he could get to the ball. 214 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 7: He didn't understand that Lumnnwil was injured from that marking 215 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 7: contest until after it. So he went to the bench 216 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,959 Speaker 7: and said, how come while is being assessed for an injury, 217 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 7: said it came out of that market contest. 218 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,479 Speaker 1: He said he was shocked. He had no ideas. 219 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 7: So again, the technicalities of this case are quite interesting 220 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 7: and his worth noting renee enbom Cac is chairing the 221 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 7: tribunal tonight, not Jeff Gleeson, so a departure from the 222 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 7: usual makeup of the tribunal. David Needs and Darren Gasper 223 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:21,839 Speaker 7: the other two members. So the Bombers say that the 224 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 7: laws of the game and the intention around rough conduct, 225 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 7: and the spirit and intention is around the protection of 226 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 7: opposition players. So they say this should be about Mark 227 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 7: O'Connor where there is little to any impact suffered by him, 228 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 7: and the AFL, for its part, says that this is 229 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 7: something that should be looked at through the lens of 230 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 7: what happened to Lual, so they say this should include 231 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 7: what happened the bombers say that other players cleared out 232 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 7: of the space. Shield's eyes were on the ball until 233 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 7: after the push. He was trying to protect the dropsone. 234 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 7: It was a legal footy act. O'Connor was pushed down 235 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 7: the wing. There was no high contact. The AFL says 236 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 7: Sheieerler is guilty of conduct against an opposition player in 237 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 7: which the circumstances is unreasonable. They said he should have 238 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 7: reasonably forced that what took place in this incident could 239 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 7: have happened. Ultimately, they've been deliberating for over ninety minutes, 240 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 7: so this has gone longer than the actual case itself. 241 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:10,959 Speaker 7: I think it goes to show just how difficult a 242 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 7: case this is to assess. We didn't even hear really 243 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:16,439 Speaker 7: a submission of what the penalty should be or how 244 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 7: this should even be graded. So this is very much 245 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,079 Speaker 7: a departure from anything we've seen in tribunals before. 246 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: That's why we. 247 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 7: Are all a bit confused, and we're all in the 248 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 7: darkest to what the tribunal is going to come back 249 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 7: with when they hopefully get back into not too distant 250 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 7: future Jared. 251 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: So the AFL invited the tribunal to consider not just 252 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: the contacts on O'Connor, but then subsequently what happened to 253 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: Lual and Essendon argued that that's misconceived correat that is 254 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: not how the law is written. 255 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 7: Yeah, so this is all about where the onus is 256 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 7: and who we should be taking into account. Here the 257 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 7: bomber say, it's just Mark O'Connor. The rules and the 258 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 7: spirit and intention of the laws of the game and 259 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 7: rough conduct is about opposition players and protecting them. Whereas 260 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 7: the AFL says, this takes into account your teammates as 261 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 7: well as opposition players, and therefore Lual's injury or at 262 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 7: least the scare to him regarding injury, should be considered. 263 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 7: So that's where the key divide is in regard to 264 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:11,439 Speaker 7: this case. And that's what I think the tribunal was 265 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 7: spending a lot of time scratching their heads over trying 266 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 7: to come up with a result. 267 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:18,839 Speaker 1: Yes, because they're essentially being asked to write a rule. 268 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: So either come back and say this is not captured 269 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 1: in the rules, or we're going to intervene and by 270 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:27,199 Speaker 1: case law added to the rules. 271 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:33,439 Speaker 2: So sometimes in these instances, you just go do. 272 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 3: What do I want the game to look like? 273 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 2: Do we want to watch Friday night footy Brisbane versus 274 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:39,199 Speaker 2: Freemanner with spots in the. 275 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 3: Eighth on the line and that is allowed to happen summarily. 276 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 2: Throughout the game. Bloke's just pushing guys into traffic. Is 277 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 2: that what we want? So make your decision on the 278 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 2: basis of what you've got the game to look like. 279 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 3: And we don't want that in their game. 280 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 2: We don't want so I kind of was out of 281 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 2: control of himself for a split second, a stumble because 282 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 2: he got pushed into traffic. That's not what we want 283 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 2: in our game. So stamp it out today. You don't 284 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 2: stamp it out tonight. We're going to go Friday Saturday 285 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 2: to showcase games and you're giving a license for bokes 286 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 2: to push other blokes into traffic. 287 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:08,719 Speaker 3: Yep, that's what you can don it. 288 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: So it's either tied it up tonight or I'm sure 289 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 1: it will get tidied up at the end of the season. 290 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: Seen where the loopholes are, and. 291 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 2: You know, but for the grace of God go all 292 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 2: of us and Luau didn't break his neck. 293 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 3: And then Mark O'Connor. I'm another step closer and he's 294 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 3: getting hit in the head because he's. 295 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 2: Out of control. Because and this is not a quack 296 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 2: on Dylan, but that's just not what we want in 297 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 2: the game. 298 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 3: It's easy, Jared. For me, it's not hard. It's easy. 299 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:37,319 Speaker 1: So a football tribe, you know, would be able to 300 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,199 Speaker 1: do it. But with the lawyers and the cases it's 301 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:40,199 Speaker 1: much Well that's. 302 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 2: Hard, but in my eyes, stamp it out either now 303 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 2: or just say next time it happens. 304 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 1: To all right, here was Brad Scott, the Essendon coach today. 305 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 9: Well the unpipe Pader push in the back I think, 306 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 9: so there was a free kick, the too long play. 307 00:13:58,360 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: Wasn't injured. 308 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,839 Speaker 9: Struggle to see how there's a case to answer. Talk 309 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 9: about a triple whammy. We had a player injured, a 310 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 9: free kick against and then a tribunal case. So we've 311 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 9: been penalized three times without the opposition actually being the 312 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 9: victim as far as I can see. 313 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: And he's been consistent all the way through. We'll go 314 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: back to David Disittter as soon as we had a verdict. 315 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: There's a second case the night Rory Laird, so the 316 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: Crow's veteran is desperate to be there on Saturday night, 317 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: as you would be. He's currently facing a one match 318 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 1: suspension for this incident, which will get hurt immediately after 319 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: the Dylan Shield case. To see if he can argue 320 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: his way out of that's and get himself on the 321 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: field on Saturday nights. 322 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 3: I haven't seen this year. 323 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 2: Well, he got up and played the game out, Jamie Crips, Yep, 324 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 2: no concussion. 325 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 3: Is that anercussion? So it's not outcome based, is it? 326 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 9: So? 327 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 2: I mean people keep telling me it's outcome based, and 328 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 2: then if you get knocked out and you get concussed, 329 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 2: then you're going to get suspended. 330 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 3: Well, he played the game out. 331 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 2: You could argue that that's seventeen hundred and fifty dollars 332 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 2: fine on the basis of how it's been adjudicated throughout 333 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 2: over the last couple of years. 334 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: Manner of the approached shoulder into the face. That's it 335 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: will be an interesting bar to test. 336 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 3: What happened to two weeks on that, three weeks on none? 337 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, because there's no concussion, is that so if 338 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: he's left Crips can cast just get straight out through. 339 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 3: It's just a horrid mess. Jared all right, your area. 340 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: Let's get to Carl. Yes, we heard from the incoming 341 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: chief executive for the first time today. I don't think 342 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: there's been a man who's been more speculated upon what 343 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: he's thinking and what he might do than Graham. Right. 344 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: He tipped his hand with the board last week backing 345 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: Michael Voss and that was ratified, and then he made 346 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: the first move today tipping out the head of footy 347 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: Brad Lloyd. Here was the chief executive. His view of 348 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: Michael Voss being taken into the last year of his contract. 349 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 6: We look really heavily into into VOSSI over the last 350 00:15:58,160 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 6: six weeks or so, I think, which Rob said we 351 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 6: do calm and rational manner, which we've done looking at 352 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 6: a whole range of things and talking to a whole 353 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 6: range of people in our football department, and you know, 354 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 6: we're really clear that Michael is the guy to lude 355 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 6: us into the future. 356 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: He's a fantastic leader. 357 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 6: And it's been a really difficult year from that perspective 358 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 6: because we. 359 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: Haven't performed well enough. 360 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 6: As I said fourteenth on the ladder. We've had a 361 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 6: number of injuries towards the back half the year, him 362 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 6: bloodying some young players, but then a collective view that 363 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 6: this wasn't just a one person issue, that it wasn't 364 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 6: just about Michael, it was about our players. We haven't 365 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 6: got enough good players. Know we're like every time we 366 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 6: want more good players, I suppose or elite players, and 367 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 6: those guys are in that category, I'd hope they're here. 368 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: They're all contracted. 369 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 6: Right at the moment, we're fourteenth on the ladder, and 370 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 6: that's not good enough. So we need to be better 371 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 6: than that, and how we get better than that will 372 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 6: come to fruition. 373 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: So believes in Voss's leadership and coaching, believes in the 374 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: game style which it took them to two final series previously, 375 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: as you're on for at the start of the year, 376 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: unsettled them and then clearly able to say injury has 377 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 1: played a major role. Conceded that they cut back too 378 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: deep at the end of last season, so the depth 379 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: has been not there or too young and protected the 380 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: core of the team, so the name players, the highly 381 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: paid players if you like. Conceding that they will lose 382 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: to Conan, highly likely to lose Silvanni through free agency, 383 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 1: but they must acquire by without disrupting that senior corp 384 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: so how do they do that? 385 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:33,640 Speaker 3: The next question isn't it? 386 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 2: So he's said, there's mitigating circumstances that find themselves in 387 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 2: the position they're in, And that's fine. 388 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 3: I'm not a carlt And supporter, but I can live 389 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 3: with that. 390 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 2: If that's the conclusion that he's come through after having 391 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 2: beaten there for the season and watched it and he's 392 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 2: experienced enough, then you can sell that, Jared. That's sort 393 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 2: of putting him into the beverage category of this year. Now, okay, 394 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 2: we understand this. I still you can coach. I still 395 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 2: think there's a big upside. So now you've got the 396 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:04,719 Speaker 2: informator to go after it. 397 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 3: So they want to start. 398 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 2: Well and they want to be competitive and all that 399 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 2: stuff next year. 400 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 3: But that's I don't have a problem with that. 401 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 2: And if you had to made a decision the other way, 402 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 2: you could live with that as well. So there's a 403 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 2: lot on his shoulders and he's got great experience and 404 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 2: now it's over to Vossi and this management. 405 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: So the way right spoke is they intend to contend 406 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: next year, so he's not going to pull it apart 407 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: and reset it all, rebuild it. They want to add 408 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: they don't have the quality of player that they expect 409 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: throughout the full depth of the list, and they do 410 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: believe that Michael Voss is able to return them to final. 411 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 2: Well that's a challenge. Then either will or he won't. 412 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 2: I think they're a way off. Well, when I say 413 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,919 Speaker 2: way off, it's just how quickly they can add to 414 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 2: the areas of the game that they are desperately needing, 415 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 2: and that is ball retention and protection of the footy 416 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 2: when they've got it in disposal. 417 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 3: I think that's the biggest issue. 418 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 2: And then that's assuming all the players who have been 419 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 2: injured are back and playing senior footies. So it's totally 420 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 2: justifiable position. Not that he needs any endorsement from you 421 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 2: to take, but now we're going to watch and see 422 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 2: how you. 423 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 3: Go about it. It is an unanswered question. 424 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: It's uplifting when a club backs it's coach I reckon, 425 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: and there are highly successful examples of it, and there 426 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 1: are ones we go it didn't quite pan out. But 427 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: they'll run the full journey with him. 428 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, the full of next year. 429 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yeah, Well they'll give him every chance to succeed, 430 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 1: and I think that's what we can ask for and 431 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 1: I mean he's contracted to next year, so he's going 432 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:36,439 Speaker 1: to have a massive summer and the thing that he can. 433 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 2: Then throw at these boys is a I'm not leaving 434 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 2: anything on the table here, so don't come expecting that 435 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 2: we'll get it right in eighteen months. 436 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 3: So I think that's a good thing too. 437 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 2: So if you can't you, if you want to play 438 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 2: senior footy in this Carton team and you can't kick, 439 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 2: you've got a summer of kicking every single minute of 440 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 2: every single day. 441 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 3: Otherwise you don't play. I think that's a good message 442 00:19:58,119 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 3: Melbourne will embrace as well. 443 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: It's the same yeah, yeah, So Melbourne are the one 444 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: club who have the coaching vacancy in the process will 445 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: start soon enough. Nathan Buckley has been thrust forward by 446 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: All and Sundry and that meant last night on the 447 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: couch that seat was particularly hot. 448 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 5: Nathan Buckley, It's great to have you on the couch tonight. 449 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 8: Didn't see this on the running. 450 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 3: Do you want to coach next year? 451 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: I don't know if I will or not. 452 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 3: Now do you want to I don't. 453 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 8: Know if you do or not. No, there's a spot 454 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 8: available now and this is the first time that I've 455 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 8: actually wanted to go further down the track to find 456 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 8: out what that challenge would be and whether it would 457 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 8: fit for where I'm at in my life as well. 458 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 3: I took a call from Don Pike, but I said. 459 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:51,959 Speaker 8: To him, I'm not in a space to consider that, 460 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 8: and I think I'm in a space to consider it now. 461 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 8: It's more to understand Melbourne's challenge and where they think 462 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 8: they're at, where they think they need to go forward. 463 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:06,199 Speaker 8: I am but one of many candidates that will be 464 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 8: really good options for Melbourne, and they'll go through their 465 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 8: process and they'll choose the person that they think is 466 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 8: best placed to take them forward. There's multiple good options, 467 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 8: there's multiple good decisions, it's not just one person. So 468 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 8: I think that's got to be really clear up front. 469 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 8: You know, I have kicked around with Tazzy as well 470 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 8: to have a look at that, but that's been dormant 471 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 8: for probably six months. So that's as open as I 472 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 8: can bear about it. 473 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 3: You might have a lot of questions. I don't have 474 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 3: a lot of answers. 475 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: Let's play a little bit of real or over reaction 476 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 1: with Melbourne and then with some Kilda. So broadly speaking, 477 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:46,640 Speaker 1: now a deep dive on the demon list will encourage. 478 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 2: I think it's an overreaction because it won't discourage either. 479 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:54,880 Speaker 2: The list is good enough not to turn anyone off. 480 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 2: I don't think it's a list that you look at 481 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 2: as some did at the West Coast, the Legals for instance. 482 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 2: Again that that's not for me. I think there's enough 483 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 2: there to not discourage. And if that's encouragement, and. 484 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 1: So be you. 485 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 2: So that's where I said with that, what about a 486 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 2: deep dive on the demon facilities will discovery? 487 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: Yes, that's real, isn't it. Well, carefield happen or not often, 488 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: which is sort of the unanswerable. 489 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 2: Well, there's depends how you speak to but there's levels 490 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 2: of confidence. 491 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 3: I'll get there in the end. 492 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 1: That's the generation's old question. 493 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm actually have you been out to Casey. I 494 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 2: went out and did a thorough tour of it at 495 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 2: the start of last year. The facilities out there are superb. 496 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 2: They are magnificent facilities out there. It's just the getting 497 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 2: there and you can that shouldn't be the millstone around 498 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 2: your neck. Well, we've waited since the early late seventies 499 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 2: to eighties to get us to get a home based yeared. 500 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:51,360 Speaker 2: So that is something that is fundamentally non negotiable. 501 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 3: But it can't hold your back. It can't. That can't 502 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 3: be the reason why yep yep. 503 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: So in the Buckley contemplation is that he had Collingwood, 504 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,360 Speaker 1: which is just so good, so central, so well supported, 505 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 1: huge audience all the time. It's going to be a 506 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: vastly different experience. That is Melbourne. That part that is 507 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: really it's looking certain that Nassaia Wangony Miller is leaving. 508 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 2: I'm saying overreaction, I might be swimming against the tide. 509 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 2: I'm saying Nasaiah is staying at sin Kilda. I will 510 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 2: sign a contract and stay with the Saints. 511 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 1: Is that that would that would change things immeasurably? 512 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 2: Just roll the table on that with no. I just 513 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 2: I'm saying he's staying. I think they might announce it 514 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 2: this week. There you God, that had been good. So 515 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 2: I got no reason to say that to you, just 516 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 2: a gap, okay, And I hope I hope that, I 517 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 2: hope that he does. What about Sekula making a mess 518 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 2: of the off season before it's even begun. 519 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: Also, it depends entirely on what you've just put forward. 520 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: So I'll put an asterisk. It's a provisional reel because 521 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: once in the public domain, cow Wilkie Heart and Soul player, 522 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: once his grievances are ed, I think that's your signals. 523 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: We haven't kept everybody together. Now, it doesn't mean it's irretrievable. 524 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: You'd have to be inside to understand that. But they do. 525 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 1: If they lose Windager because they were inattentive, who knows 526 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,439 Speaker 1: whether that happens, if they lose Mangane Miller or because 527 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: somebody got in the door. If they're going to dispense 528 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 1: with players like Marshall and Steeler, how does that end 529 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: up looking? So it's delicate and we'll know during the 530 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: trade period. You hate it when a player like that, 531 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: when those grievances are made public and there are multiple sources. Okay, 532 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 1: so that's real. 533 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 2: What about if they get the cunning, they keep Marshall, 534 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 2: they keep Mangane, Miller, they keep win Hagen, they attract. 535 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 3: One or two. 536 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's it. That's the dream, isn't it. 537 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 3: That's your job. 538 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,679 Speaker 1: You've got to get net gains out of this period 539 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: of time. 540 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:47,360 Speaker 3: So it's a big week and our. 541 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: Last one is we keep visual towards Saturday night. Is 542 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 1: the Magpies are all in. We've seen it training today, 543 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 1: So McCreary and Hill are on the track. McCrea's got 544 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: to be so delicate with a couple of hamstrings, he'll 545 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 1: is it all chips in on Saturday night. 546 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 2: Overreaction, okay, because that says that sells unnecessary risk, That 547 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 2: says that they're at a stage where they have to 548 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 2: take unnecessary risk, or that there's a slight whiff of desperation. 549 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 2: They'll give him every chance because they want him to play. 550 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 2: They want Hill to play because they fix an area 551 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 2: of the ground that they're really vulnerable in. So that's 552 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 2: not to suggest they won't be pushing them really hard, 553 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 2: but you don't take unnecessary risks. They still back themselves 554 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 2: if one or two or both of those boys don't 555 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,400 Speaker 2: get up. So they'll push really hard and then Wednesday 556 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 2: to night they'll sit down and make the best decision 557 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 2: for whatever it is and double head over. There are 558 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 2: confident teams here, they'll be confident going dadelaude. 559 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: But it was good to see Jeremy Howe out on 560 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,679 Speaker 1: the track, so obviously he's in the concussion protocols, but 561 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 1: given how heavy that blow was and he went to hospital, 562 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: it was just reassuring to see him back around the climate. 563 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,159 Speaker 1: We will have to be out there, so all eyes 564 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: to Saturday night when the Pies travel to face the Crows. 565 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: All eyes to Thursday night ASLW has set a stage 566 00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 1: standalone on opening night and surprise of ten years years 567 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: ago and the two Captains with Abbie and Ruby leading 568 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: these two famous clubs Carlton and Collingwood. Season ten of 569 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 1: AFLW our Special Players Night next sover