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Speaker 1: This podcast is recorded on gadigal Land Always was, always

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Speaker 1: will be Aboriginal Land.

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Speaker 2: Hey Chicks, I'm sal and I'm out and this is

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Speaker 2: too Broake Chicks, a show that shares life lessons and

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Speaker 2: tips to help make you rich in life. And welcome

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Speaker 2: back to the show, Bridget Hussway.

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Speaker 3: We are so bad care me.

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Speaker 4: I'm so excited and this is my first time in

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Speaker 4: your steer today.

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Speaker 5: Welcome.

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Speaker 3: It's so big and legit and amazing.

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Speaker 5: I'm so excited to be back as well.

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Speaker 1: The last time you're on the show, we were in

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Speaker 1: for a wild fucking ride. Well, but you just like

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Speaker 1: derailed the whole episode with one story.

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Speaker 2: Literally, we got the most iconic breakup episode ever.

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Speaker 3: It was break up.

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Speaker 5: It was so good. Well not that you went through.

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Speaker 4: That, but but yeah, that was the first time that

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Speaker 4: I had really spoken about it.

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Speaker 3: But I just kept on.

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Speaker 1: After we were like, so we're all getting drinks, right,

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Speaker 1: so rammed. It was like a pre game just here

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Speaker 1: in that story.

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Speaker 3: And I was like, guys, I need a drink.

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Speaker 2: But we're glad to have you back on because we've

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Speaker 2: got you on. Obviously, we don't need an excuse to

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Speaker 2: have you on. But we want to chat about your

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Speaker 2: brand new book, Figuring Out Dirty second.

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Speaker 3: Book, second book of baby.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, how are you feeling now that it's

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Speaker 2: out in the world.

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Speaker 5: It's been a few months now.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, relieved, I think, and you guys would know it's

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Speaker 4: it's you almost have and I think you sail as

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Speaker 4: a big music fan to you have like a newfound

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Speaker 4: empathy for people who put out big, like bodies of work,

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Speaker 4: like I always think of artists and just being like song,

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Speaker 4: EP album like damn, because you are working on it

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Speaker 4: for so long. Yeah, and when you release it, it's

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Speaker 4: out of your control. And we were saying before even

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Speaker 4: during the process. For me especially, I like kind of

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Speaker 4: just blackout, like because it's so stressful for me. And

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Speaker 4: I don't find writing like easy. I enjoyed it in

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Speaker 4: high school and I was really good in my English classes.

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Speaker 4: But I guess, especially you know, in the last decade

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Speaker 4: of being like a music presenter and like, you know,

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Speaker 4: communicating a verbal sense, I find putting my thoughts and

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Speaker 4: I guess the ADHD thing too, but like putting it

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Speaker 4: from pen to paper is really difficult, and especially when

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Speaker 4: it is a super personal body of work, there's like

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Speaker 4: that kind of emotional exhaustion too, So I'm really glad

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Speaker 4: that it's out, yeah, and probably won't write for a

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Speaker 4: long time, but happy to talk about it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: And I think as much as it can be really daunting,

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Speaker 2: especially with a book like this that is quite vulnerable,

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Speaker 2: you're going to be helping so many people with it,

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Speaker 2: and I think so many people can relate to it,

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Speaker 2: which I'm excited to get into it and ask you

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Speaker 2: some more questions about it. But before we do, we

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Speaker 2: love to start with our life lesson of the week,

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Speaker 2: So would you like to kick us off?

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Speaker 1: Sure?

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Speaker 4: This is one is an interesting one, and I I

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Speaker 4: wish I was better at it early on, but it's

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Speaker 4: just I think I was on my emails a couple

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Speaker 4: of days ago and I've just been thinking about it

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Speaker 4: to how will I put it? I guess kind of

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Speaker 4: own own your voice and own your presence. So for me,

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Speaker 4: this is in the context of emails and being a freelancer, right,

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Speaker 4: And you guys would know too when you following things

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Speaker 4: very much a chaser with work. There's things that will

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, she's an aries.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's proactive total. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: In saying that, I do have a bit of insecurity

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Speaker 5: But or does that make sense? All good if not?

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Speaker 4: And I haven't really yeah, thought about it as much

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Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, I just really got to be

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Speaker 4: you know, if I mean, I'm allowed to have that.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, but if you don't chase, you don't catch exactly.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, no one's going to do it for you either, exactly.

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Speaker 1: I love don't ask, don't get moment, like when you're

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Speaker 1: thank you.

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Speaker 3: By yeah, being like.

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Speaker 5: Could you like get back to me whenever.

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Speaker 1: You can that's about no, tell me now right now?

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Speaker 4: they just happen, but we actually chase so much of it.

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Speaker 3: There's people who will you know, there's people that.

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Speaker 3: Like, well, what do you expect? Yeah, you go do

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you get the thing and you get the thing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, go do the thing.

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Speaker 1: Girl. My life lesson of the week is to go

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Speaker 1: visit your grandparents. Obviously if you can, if you live

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Speaker 1: in the same place, if they're still around, being mag bong,

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Speaker 1: if you still have a relationship, but I haven't visited

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Speaker 1: my nonna in so long. And on Valentine's Day, I

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Speaker 1: like and she always sayds like you know how like

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Speaker 5: And she's like, Hello Alexandra, live of my life.

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Speaker 1: And I was like to rub I was like, we

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Speaker 1: And I was like, don't worry, we'll come. We'll make lunch.

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Speaker 1: We literally packed the pasta maker. We're going to go

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Speaker 5: I was like, what what do you mean?

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Speaker 1: And then she's made this whole roast and I was like,

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Speaker 5: It's just like.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, oh my gosh, okay, and then

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Speaker 1: to go to your Ernie Rauders and uncle ladies and

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Speaker 1: I was like what. And so she's then wrangled me

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Speaker 5: And he's like, have you seen this? And it's mum

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Speaker 1: And so we sat around having like tea and coffee.

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Speaker 1: And they were yelling at me because I was having

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Speaker 1: And we watched my mom and dad's wedding video so

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so beautiful and beautiful and like, oh my god,

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Speaker 5: I took photos. Oh my god, I want.

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Speaker 3: To say, can't believe you haven't seen it.

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Speaker 5: I hadn't seen it, and they kept being like, what

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Speaker 5: do you mean you haven't seen it?

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Speaker 1: And I was like they haven't tried me, wow, And yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was just the cutest thing.

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Speaker 5: Ever, so yeah, it was a good little day.

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Speaker 3: I love that.

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Speaker 1: It was so cute because, yeah, all my other grandparents

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Speaker 5: So when we were watching a video, they were in

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Speaker 5: the video, so like my nan and my pup and

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Speaker 5: my no no. I was just you need to have

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Speaker 5: like a wine night with your mom and watch it.

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Speaker 1: I know tea And I'm like, okay, so was pissing

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Speaker 1: you off?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Where are that?

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Speaker 2: Well? That's always the bts behind a wedding, exactly every time.

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Speaker 5: Okay, what's yours? My life lesson?

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Speaker 2: I'll keep it short and sweet because it's not that deep.

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Speaker 2: But did you know that if ninety nine percent of

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Speaker 2: the human population thought you were ugly, still around eighty

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Speaker 2: million people would think you were hot?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's good.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So even on your ugliest little day, which we all

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Speaker 2: have those days when we're not feeling like the hotties

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Speaker 2: that we truly are, eighty eighty million people eighty million

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's like that stat that's like people say, it

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Speaker 1: was twenty percent hotter than you think you are.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, oh that makes me feel good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so even on your ugliest day, you're still twenty

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And it just seems to be that age where like,

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Speaker 4: about this, like and like when friends are on different levels,

445
00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,080
Speaker 4: like what was not to be the interviewer now, but

446
00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,000
Speaker 4: like your biggest takeaway from when you were kind of

447
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:02,560
Speaker 4: you know, navigating that.

448
00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:04,480
Speaker 1: I think the thing was that was one of the

449
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,720
Speaker 1: biggest lessons from you know, the people we interviewed and

450
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:12,479
Speaker 1: discussed it with this and our own experiences, was especially

451
00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,800
Speaker 1: with being a single friend, like because you go to

452
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,960
Speaker 1: things and a lot of people are couples, but remembering

453
00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,960
Speaker 1: that you're single because you didn't want something, like something

454
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,240
Speaker 1: didn't work for you, something wasn't right for you. And

455
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,400
Speaker 1: even though it's very very easy, like the comparison trap

456
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,119
Speaker 1: is called a trap for a reason. It's easy to

457
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,919
Speaker 1: fall into. That you have to remember what it is

458
00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,280
Speaker 1: that you wanted and that there's not a paintbrush that

459
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,639
Speaker 1: paints every single storyline the same way.

460
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Speaker 5: And it's just the way that my brain works.

461
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:40,800
Speaker 1: And it's not to say that anyone's life is boring,

462
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:45,640
Speaker 1: but like, I love thinking about how individual lives are.

463
00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:47,520
Speaker 5: Like, I love that.

464
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,960
Speaker 1: Feeling of when you see all the lights turn on

465
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:54,359
Speaker 1: at like six pm non dolit saving the time, and

466
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,800
Speaker 1: like how everyone's life is so so so different and

467
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,679
Speaker 1: how I want mine to be so individual to me.

468
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Speaker 1: So why would I want my life to look like

469
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 1: anyone else's.

470
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I also think when it comes to celebrating

471
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,000
Speaker 4: each other's wins as well, we really need to.

472
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 3: Broaden what the win winds are.

473
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,400
Speaker 4: Ye, And like I have a great example that made

474
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 4: me feel really good. So Oscar plays footy for Fremantle

475
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 4: and we have a player's partners groups. It's just a

476
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 4: little WhatsApp chat group for all the players partners sorry,

477
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 4: which is yeah, it's really nice. And often in those

478
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,959
Speaker 4: you know, group chats outside of the admin for the

479
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 4: matches and all that kind of stuff. You know, the

480
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 4: post will be in there if you know one of

481
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 4: the partners has a baby or as engaged, and a

482
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,400
Speaker 4: few of them are, which is, you know, great. And

483
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,960
Speaker 4: I was really surprised to like open the chat one

484
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 4: day following the release of my book and one of

485
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 4: the ladies who works at the club like made a

486
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 4: really nice message being like a huge congrats to Bridget

487
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 4: for releasing her new book. We're all so proud of you,

488
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 4: and we know how hard you've worked and you have

489
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,399
Speaker 4: only known these people for just over a year. And

490
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 4: I was I didn't expect that to be.

491
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 3: In the group chat.

492
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 4: And that's not to you know, undermine or underestimate them,

493
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 4: but I was like, that's so nice, and to have

494
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:15,880
Speaker 4: that kind of achievement recognized in the same context as

495
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,959
Speaker 4: you know, other partners getting engaged and having babies, that

496
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 4: just really showed me that, Yeah, like I wish I

497
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 4: guess more people got to experience that, but it's like

498
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 4: really not that it's not hard, but it just was

499
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 4: awesome for me to be like, that's so cool and

500
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 4: people messaging being like congrats Bridget, like that's awesome, and

501
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 4: they're all getting around me, and yeah, it was nice

502
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 4: to feel that, you know, you can still be celebrated

503
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 4: for the things, because that is a you know, and

504
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 4: you guys are the same. To release a book like

505
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,439
Speaker 4: that is a huge achievement for us. And the only

506
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 4: you know, it shouldn't be kids owning a house or

507
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 4: getting married or engaged to be the only things that

508
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 4: are worthy of celebrations, you know. So again, yeah, broadening

509
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:02,679
Speaker 4: our idea of what wins are and we're just making

510
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 4: the effort to be aware of what winds are for

511
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 4: people because they are different.

512
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 1: For it, also knowing what your wins are for yourself,

513
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 1: like writing those out and understanding what you find as

514
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 1: a win and making sure that it can look different,

515
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 1: and like giving yourself permission to celebrate those things.

516
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 5: You know what I love.

517
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: I love when women have divorce parties.

518
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 3: Oh yeah them first up.

519
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 4: And I think you need to be careful of you know,

520
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,120
Speaker 4: being like toxic positivity on it too, But I guess

521
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 4: from my experience, I just I just see it as

522
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 4: an opportunity and like without being cringe, like break up, breakthrough,

523
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 4: you know, like it is just such an important time

524
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 4: and you have so much that you can actually gain

525
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 4: from it. And I do wish more women were able

526
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 4: to see that, but again completely understand it's.

527
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:52,879
Speaker 1: A hindsight nine and it comes like at least six

528
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 1: months later and you're like, holy shit, yeah, but you'll

529
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,159
Speaker 1: like be in a situation but this didn't have This

530
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,479
Speaker 1: wouldn't have happened unless that happened. Yeah, and you're like, ah,

531
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 1: vibes slate, let's get into work.

532
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 5: Yeah.

533
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 2: This was another popular question that we had coming through

534
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 2: and something that you speak about in the book and

535
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 2: have spoken about quite a bit. So you also had

536
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 2: a huge career change around the time of your thirtieth

537
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 2: birthday as well. Can you talk us through that and

538
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 2: give some advice for people who are thinking of making

539
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 2: a career switch in their thirties because it can be

540
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 2: really intimidating.

541
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

542
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 4: Well, I mean starting my thirties freshly dumped was big enough.

543
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,159
Speaker 4: But then when I turned thirty one, I was like,

544
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 4: let's you know, fuck things around a little bit more

545
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,640
Speaker 4: and quit my job that I've worked really hard on

546
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 4: and you know, making that grind. I think it was

547
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 4: like six years of unpaid work to get up to

548
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,199
Speaker 4: that point to have a full time you know, national

549
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 4: radio show and a job that I deeply loved the

550
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 4: program that I was hosting Good Nights, I you know,

551
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 4: oh still love it.

552
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 3: I mean like they've asked it now. When I found

553
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 3: out that.

554
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 4: They are, when they acted and I cried, I was like,

555
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 4: this is really heartbreaking for me because I just I,

556
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 4: you know, the legacy of that program beyond my five

557
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 4: years hosting like Linda Mariano, who I icon't, yeah, icon't,

558
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 4: and just you know, being someone who listened to that

559
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 4: program as a music fan and a listener before Triple

560
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 4: J and then being able to host it. But yeah,

561
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 4: I just was you know at that point where I,

562
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:40,439
Speaker 4: as much as I loved that program, the developments for

563
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 4: me at the station was it just wasn't happening. And

564
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 4: I really saw, you know, I felt it's funny.

565
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 3: I felt like externally valued.

566
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 4: Not to say that I felt completely not valued there,

567
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 4: but I felt very over looked as a music presenter,

568
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 4: and I resented the programming hierarchy and you know, Brecky

569
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 4: and Drive getting all the interviews just because they have

570
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 4: those slots. It was never about who was who would

571
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 4: be the best presenter to interview that person. I think

572
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 4: it has changed now since I left, and I'm not

573
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 4: taking you know.

574
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 3: Credit for that.

575
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 4: But I did like request like an exit interview when

576
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,959
Speaker 4: I quit, because I had so much feedback that I

577
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 4: wanted to tell management because I already knew some other

578
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 4: presenters who were, you know, a little bit fresher than

579
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 4: me already was starting to feel that and feeling a

580
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 4: little bit defeated, and I just wanted things to change

581
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 4: for them because I, you know, I love seeing people

582
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 4: who were so passionate about music, and I mean everyone

583
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 4: who works there loves music.

584
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 3: But anyway, I just felt like I couldn't see where.

585
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 5: I was going next.

586
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 4: I did, you know, want to actually get into programming

587
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 4: at some point, but that kind of yeah, it was

588
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 4: not embraced.

589
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 3: I suppose.

590
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 4: And so I had a contract negotiation and unfortunately it

591
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 4: was shit, and it was just like a tipping point

592
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 4: for me, and I was like, I quit. I never

593
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 4: thought that that would be. I actually thought I'd stay

594
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 4: on for one more year, but and I was going

595
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,439
Speaker 4: to nothing as well. I think it's, yeah, it's a

596
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 4: very unique situation when you leave your job for nothing.

597
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 1: I don't think it's that unique though, in terms of like, yes,

598
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 1: it's a very very big, daunting thing, but I think

599
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,959
Speaker 1: it's something that we're seeing and we get messages so

600
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: much now because that's part of what is really scary

601
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: for people is it's they're in this job, they're in

602
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: this career, and whether it's the industry that they're in,

603
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: or whether it's that specific role within that company that

604
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: they just don't.

605
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 5: Want to do it anymore.

606
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: But they've invested all of this time, and it's like,

607
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: but I don't, like, I just want to get out,

608
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: and like they've kind of made that decision, but they

609
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 1: don't know one what they want to do next, or

610
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: they don't have anything lined up, So like, how do

611
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: you find the confidence to just say like no more? Yeah.

612
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 4: Again, it's different for everyone and dependent on your field.

613
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 4: But I guess what what I love about that is

614
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 4: people are obviously valuing their happiness and fulfillment more than

615
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 4: ever in a career context, and you can really link

616
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 4: it back to relationships and like not settling with that

617
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 4: obviously comes a lot of privilege.

618
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 3: There are people who.

619
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 4: Just simply have to stay in these jobs that they

620
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 4: hate to survive. So I had a lot of privilege

621
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 4: and that I knew that I could make it work,

622
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 4: but I hadn't really spent It's not like I planned it,

623
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 4: you know. It was actually really an impulsive thing. I

624
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 4: didn't expect to quit, but I was so fucked off

625
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,959
Speaker 4: that I was like nah. And then I remember telling

626
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 4: my mum and she was like, do what makes you happy?

627
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 4: I spoke to Oscar, and being the legit cook king

628
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 4: that he is, was like, you know, obviously support you,

629
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 4: but just did maybe just like book in with your

630
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 4: accountant first and just you know, make sure you know clever,

631
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 4: not you know, a completely silly thing to do. Unfortunately,

632
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 4: my accountant was like, yeah, I thought you'd be doing

633
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 4: this six months ago, like, you know, thankfully for me

634
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 4: and in you know, the field that like I'm in,

635
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 4: I guess, and I already had how to end.

636
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 2: Oh.

637
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 4: And I kind of made that effort to have an

638
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 4: identity outside of Triple J. And I think, you know,

639
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 4: for any kind of job that's really important, it's hard

640
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 4: because we do spend so much time working, especially if

641
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 4: we do love it, you know, and we're proud of it.

642
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 3: You know.

643
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 4: I was very proud to work there, but I also

644
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 4: knew there would be limitations post Triple J, and I

645
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 4: was kind of just getting to that stage there, and

646
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 4: I guess that age where I wanted to start thinking

647
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 4: about the next steps, but again, probably would have loved

648
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 4: a little bit more time to kind of think it out.

649
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 4: But yeah, I just, you know, went out into freelancing

650
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 4: and just I guess made it work because I had

651
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 4: no choice but to make it work. And that's why

652
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 4: I have to be a real chaser with.

653
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 3: Us, you know us yea rent.

654
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it is like a survival thing too, Yeah,

655
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 4: very much so. But I totally empathize with all the

656
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 4: things that people kind of grapple with because when you

657
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 4: do spend so much time getting to that point, whether

658
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 4: it's you know, doing a four year Uni degree, being

659
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 4: like thousands of dollars in hexstead or for me, you know,

660
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 4: doing that six odd year grind. I mean I've been

661
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 4: music presenting a music presenter for over a decade now,

662
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 4: but you do tend to look back at everything that

663
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 4: you've invested into that and you don't want to feel

664
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 4: like you've wasted.

665
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 3: Time or regretted it.

666
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 4: And I don't, you know, like because it's opened so

667
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 4: many other doors.

668
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 3: But it's scary, but.

669
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 4: I just want people to know that it's never too late.

670
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 4: You know, it's never too late to switch lanes, to

671
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 4: try something new. I met a girl recently who's the

672
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 4: partner of a friend who used to work at Triple

673
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 4: J actually, and she was a journalist and you know,

674
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 4: she did that big grind, but now she's studying to

675
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 4: be a primary school teacher.

676
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 5: I love that.

677
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 4: She was like, you know what, I You know, this

678
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 4: has been the dream job in many aspects, but I

679
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 4: am exhausted and I think that I could really add

680
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 4: value in that field. So she's moved from Sydney to

681
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 4: Perth and she's back at UNI and she's so.

682
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 3: Excited and she's gonna be a great teacher. But you know,

683
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 3: it's never too late.

684
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: To do that stuff.

685
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 2: In your book, you actually share a list of famous

686
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 2: people who started their careers after turning thirty.

687
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 5: Can you share that with us. You're a bit of

688
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 5: inspiration for the jigs.

689
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 4: Let's go through the list. Let me pull her up.

690
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 4: There is quite a few examples, and they're wonderful. So

691
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 4: famous women who made their career after thirty. Oprah Winfrey

692
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 4: launched the Oprah Winfrey Show at age thirty two.

693
00:32:59,040 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: Wow.

694
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 3: I launched it last year. Crazy Kristin wig.

695
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 4: We've just had the SNL fifty celebrations, which means so fun.

696
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 4: I love Saturday Night Live. She debuted on the show

697
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 4: at thirty six.

698
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 3: No way, yep, pretty cool.

699
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 4: Debbie Harry ak Blondie, I'm sure you love my girl

700
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 4: launched that project at thirty.

701
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 5: One and a style icon music park on to this day.

702
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 3: The rest is history.

703
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 4: I love this about in the world of like fashion,

704
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 4: Vera Wang. Okay, so before that she was a fashion designer,

705
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 4: she was an ice skater and a journalist. But she

706
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 4: designed her first dress at the age of forty. That

707
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 4: is incredible, amazing, so cool and Vivian Westwood. So she

708
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 4: quit teaching at thirty to pursue fashion designs. So went

709
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 4: and studied that Jane Austin. I didn't actually know this

710
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 4: so first novel Sense and Sensibility. Guess how old she

711
00:33:59,040 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 4: was when it came out?

712
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 3: Thirty eight thirty six close? Yeah, yeah, but I think.

713
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 4: That I thought she would have been like twenty one,

714
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 4: really young. I don't know why, but I just was

715
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 4: really surprised to hear.

716
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 5: So imagine that being her debut.

717
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 1: She's kind of hot.

718
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 5: Hit it out of the past.

719
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, there's definitely this notion, especially with social

720
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: media and TikTok stars, and not to take away from them,

721
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: but we see a lot of young celebrities now that

722
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: I think when we're older and we're like, oh, fuck,

723
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: like I didn't do that, I should have done this,

724
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 1: I should have done that, and set myself up for

725
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: all these things that when you see a list like that,

726
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: you're like, it really does kind of like wipe the

727
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 1: slate clean in your brain, being like, yeah, I can.

728
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 4: Yeah change And I love there's two more recent examples

729
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 4: that I really love and beyond the fact that they're

730
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 4: both in the music world. But Amy Shark she released

731
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 4: a Door, which is you know, her breakthrough single was

732
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 4: absolutely massive. She was thirty when that came and it

733
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 4: was dubbed her breakthrough. She was actually you know, the

734
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 4: commentary around her was like overnight success, but she was

735
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 4: grinding for like ten years before that. You know, about

736
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 4: the year before that song came out, she emailed dom Alessio,

737
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 4: who used to host Home and host on Triple J,

738
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 4: and she was like, what am I doing wrong? You know,

739
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 4: like none of my songs are getting airplay? And then

740
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 4: Odoor was the next single and it just you know,

741
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 4: skyrocketed her. Ye, Charlie XCX, I think is a great example.

742
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 5: Finally getting her flowers.

743
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 4: Yes, she's thirty two, and you know she's we've known

744
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 4: her for a while, like she's been on you know,

745
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 4: some main she's kind of flirted in the mainstream.

746
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: You know.

747
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:47,280
Speaker 4: I love it Boom boom clap fancy with Iggy's eliaeteen.

748
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 5: Ninety nine and like all the Collapse with Troy.

749
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, but Brat is her most commercially successful record. It's

750
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 4: the record that's won her her first Grammys, and now

751
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 4: she's headlining festivals and she's thirty who you know, I.

752
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: Just looked it up then. And Rebecca Yaros, who wrote

753
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: Fourth Wing, which is like the best selling fantasy.

754
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:09,959
Speaker 5: Series of the year.

755
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: If not, I would put it up there with books

756
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: this year is forty three.

757
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 3: Wow. And that came out in twenty twenty three.

758
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 2: Wo.

759
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: So yeah, women can have so much success. Yeah, after

760
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,800
Speaker 1: the age of thirty forty fifty.

761
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like I love that.

762
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: I want to kick a door off its hinges.

763
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, your life doesn't end at thirty.

764
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,280
Speaker 3: It's really only justly.

765
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 5: There's also this quote.

766
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: And it was like, why do you think adulthood and

767
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: fun ends at thirty when that was your first decade

768
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: of being an adult. Yeah, and when money only had

769
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 1: you only You've only had one decade of being an

770
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: adult and you're done.

771
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, I don't know.

772
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 4: And how how because you still have so much to experience,

773
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 4: which travel or you know, gaining those new skills of

774
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 4: being exposed to a particular field, Like I just don't Yeah,

775
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 4: it's crazy that we've like we've just had to, you know,

776
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 4: have it sorted and locked in by by thirty, all.

777
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: That you don't have time to experience other things. Because

778
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: a very common thing we got sent in of was

779
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: feeling like I wasted my twenties. We would you say

780
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: to someone that felt like they wasted their twenties by

781
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: not doing enough?

782
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 4: I mean, look, I don't want to say no regrets.

783
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,399
Speaker 4: I just think everything's a lesson though, Like I would

784
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 4: never look back on my twenties and think I should

785
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 4: have done more. I think and I also am able

786
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 4: to kind of give myself I guess that compassion and

787
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,240
Speaker 4: be like, well that's how I was feeling at the time.

788
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 4: I can't change that. And yeah, I've never kind of

789
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 4: looked back on my twenties and felt like I should

790
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 4: have done something differently, or that I wasted time. I

791
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 4: think everything always will lead you. Everything's led you to

792
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,240
Speaker 4: where you are now, and we're in pretty good positions.

793
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 3: I agree.

794
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: I also think if you felt like you should have

795
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 1: done things in your twenties that you haven't done yet,

796
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: maybe your twenties was about building the confidence and the

797
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 1: life experience to approach those things.

798
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 5: That you want to do.

799
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: But I want to ask you a quick fire round

800
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: of dating and your thirties. I know we've touched on

801
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: it a little bit, yep, Okay, what are your thoughts

802
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: on age gaps and dating younger in your thirties?

803
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 3: So fine, Oscar's five years younger? I think it.

804
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, is really just a number, and I think there's

805
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 4: a lot to be gained in terms of what you

806
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 4: can learn from them as well.

807
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 3: So I'm so here for it.

808
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 5: I love that.

809
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 3: Yeah.

810
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: Okay, super popular question. What are your top three tips

811
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: on being single in your thirties?

812
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, the first one that comes to mind was

813
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 4: one that I felt quite deeply was don't feel pressured

814
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 4: to When we say be single, we do tend to

815
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 4: visualize that we're going out all the time that we're

816
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 4: building our roster and.

817
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 5: That way Samantha Jones.

818
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, and honestly, I love her And if you want

819
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 4: to do that, fine, But also some people don't want

820
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 4: to or feel comfortable. And I thought that I would

821
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 4: be going on a fucking spray when I was single,

822
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 4: but then I just realized I don't feel ready or comfortable,

823
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 4: and that's okay. Like, just because you were single doesn't

824
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 4: mean you have to go and do those things. You know,

825
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 4: and even if you want to go out and have

826
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 4: fun and you do want to find someone but you don't, like,

827
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 4: don't beat yourself up about it. There is no one

828
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 4: textbook way to be single, just like there's no one

829
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 4: textbook way to be in a relationship, and you just

830
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 4: have to really tap into, you know, your instinct and

831
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 4: how you're feeling, and it may not be feeling the

832
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 4: way that you thought you'd be feeling. Like like I said,

833
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 4: I thought that I would be going out doing all

834
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 4: those things, but then I was like, nah, I just

835
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 4: don't want to.

836
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 3: But I think people expected that of me. But I

837
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 3: was fine.

838
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 4: I was on the apps, but I kind of treated

839
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 4: a lot of the conversations just as little steps for

840
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 4: personal development because I just felt like I had to

841
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 4: unpack a lot of shit. So don't feel pressured to

842
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 4: like go back someone.

843
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 3: Want to bang away?

844
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:11,280
Speaker 2: You know? Okay, And you interviewed a neuropsychologist, doctor Hannah Coral,

845
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 2: who likens friendships to a solar system. Can you give

846
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 2: us a quick run through about what this means and

847
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,280
Speaker 2: how it can affect friendships as an adult.

848
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 4: I love when she said it because it's so easy

849
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 4: to visualize, right, these cute little planets just in orbit,

850
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 4: And essentially it is just acknowledging that sometimes you may

851
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 4: not be in orbit with another friend and that's not

852
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 4: always a bad thing. I think, Look, it's each situation

853
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 4: is different. But I found that I had a lot

854
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 4: of peace kind of when she when she said that

855
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 4: just knowing that although you may not be in orbit

856
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 4: doesn't mean you have to be like angry at each

857
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 4: other or but you don't have to have you know,

858
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 4: it's not it doesn't have to be a bad thing, right,

859
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 4: So you can be happy for them if they're you know,

860
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 4: doing their own thing and you're doing your own thing,

861
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,720
Speaker 4: and you might come back in orbit at another point

862
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 4: in life. But yeah, I just think that was a

863
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 4: really nice way of kind of framing it.

864
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 3: Can you like see it? Yes, Yeah, and it makes sense.

865
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: It's why you know, I think in the book we

866
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: called it track changes, and it's when you, you know,

867
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: have your high school friends, you're in orbit. Then you

868
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: get a job and you're working full time with people,

869
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 1: and then you kind of spend a little bit more

870
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: time with them, and then that's your orbital. Maybe you

871
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: move to a different country and like maybe it's a

872
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 1: bit of a slower orbit, like with some friends that

873
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,280
Speaker 1: you talk maybe once a month on the phone.

874
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 5: But I like it because I can visualize it too.

875
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I do think like it's always relevant, I think,

876
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 2: no matter what stage of your life you're in, but.

877
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 5: Especially in your thirties.

878
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

879
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 2: As more people are getting married, having children, perhaps regressing

880
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 2: in their career, moving away, these separate orbits are happening

881
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 2: more and more, I feel, And it's becoming secure within

882
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 2: that in yourself. Yes, knowing that friendships do ebb and

883
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 2: flow and that they will exist in different orbits, but

884
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 2: that doesn't discount what they meant to you or what

885
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Speaker 2: they will mean to you going forward. We have to

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Speaker 2: finish off with our final question, what's your biggest life

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Speaker 2: lesson in your thirties so far?

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Speaker 4: Oh Man, I think it is, you know, and it's

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Speaker 4: probably in relation to that as well, and what you

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Speaker 4: said al about that kind of secure place of understanding,

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Speaker 4: just understanding that we are all navigating shit and we

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Speaker 4: definitely just need to go a little bit easy on

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Speaker 4: ourselves and yet within our relationships too, because we are

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Speaker 4: all really just trying to figure it out. And so

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Speaker 4: that's probably been the best thing is to make peace

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Speaker 4: with that. And I think as well, one of the

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Speaker 4: biggest life lessons was just taking time to figure out

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Speaker 4: my values and actually what I, you know, value moving

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Speaker 4: forward and what that looks like in feeling a bit

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Speaker 4: more fulfilled and content. And I did that session with

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Speaker 4: my psychologist. She spread out like eighty fucking cards on

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Speaker 4: the floor.

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Speaker 3: It was really fun. It was like a game, but

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Speaker 3: then it got really hard.

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Speaker 4: So we kind of put values in different sections like important,

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Speaker 4: not important, important, really important, And the only two that

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Speaker 4: I could remember in the really important, which was out

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Speaker 4: of ten, I think from the eighty four, the two

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Speaker 4: that I will always remember is just fun and inner piece,

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Speaker 4: and those just the two things that I want to

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Speaker 4: keep front of mind with like everything that I do,

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Speaker 4: and sometimes I won't be good at it, but I think.

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Speaker 1: It's just north Star.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, just you know, coming to know that, and yeah,

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Speaker 4: I think that's been a really nice lesson and realization

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Speaker 4: in my thirties.

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Speaker 1: I loved it.

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Speaker 3: Never too late.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for coming on the show again.

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Speaker 2: Bridget has been an absolute pleasure. But for the chickies

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Speaker 2: who don't already know where can I find you?

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Speaker 4: I'm on Instagram at Bridge pas to eight and yeah,

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Speaker 4: I'm just kind of working there.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and go by Bridget the book.

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Speaker 3: In the book that you guys kindly endorsed, thank you

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Speaker 3: for reading it early.

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Speaker 5: Of course, of course I was. Honestly I was like

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Speaker 5: vip accent.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for coming on, and thank

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Speaker 2: you to m ik Made for making today's episode happen,

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Speaker 2: and to your chicks for having us in ear holes.

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Speaker 5: We love to be here. Kisses, bye chick Bye. By