WEBVTT - #2004 Folate, Paracetamol & Pregnancy - David Gillespie 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:04.240 Great team. It's you project, David James, Kevin, Patrick Gillspian's 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:07.680 here as he is on a semi regular basis. Tiffany 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:12.240 and Mildred Malaria Cook is here in the. 0:00:12.600 --> 0:00:16.480 Malaria Mildred or is that really your name? 0:00:17.200 --> 0:00:21.239 That's her real No, that's so hurtful. David, Hi, Hi, 0:00:22.040 --> 0:00:26.000 how are you? I'm fabulous? Thanks? How's your Monday gone? 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:28.120 Give us a quick snapshot? Oh, we know you bought 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:30.000 because you and I did a potty before. You bought 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:32.280 four new tires and you didn't get ripped. 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:36.480 Loved him some shining, got out for a stroll. 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:38.640 I've had a good monday. You've had a really good monday. 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:41.919 We're beautiful. I went down the beach and I put 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:44.319 my little toes in the sand, and then I put 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:47.839 my little calves, which are not that little, my significant 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:51.800 calves in the water in the water. How Good's just 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:53.360 getting in salt water a little bit? 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:54.040 Yeah? 0:00:54.240 --> 0:00:56.880 Yeah, yeah, my body was happy. I went and sat 0:00:56.920 --> 0:01:01.920 in the grass. There's something about connecting with nature. Yeah, 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:05.640 I reckon. David Gillespie'd be a big fan of grounding 0:01:05.680 --> 0:01:07.520 tif you know where you take your shoes and socks 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:09.240 off and just get in the dirt and there's that 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:13.319 I reckon he'd be all over that. What he's got 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:16.440 to say. I don't know, that's bullshit. 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:18.440 I looked at it now, I know. I mean, you 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:20.440 know there's die Hard, the die Hard thing, you know 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:22.880 where you at the start of die Hard where the 0:01:22.880 --> 0:01:24.600 guy sitting next to him on the plane says to 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:28.000 you know, when you get off the plane, scrunch your toes. 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:29.600 You're going to take your shoes off and scrunch your 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:32.560 toes in the carpet. Make you feel you know, make 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:33.160 you feel good. 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:36.960 What about those in that same kind of vein? I 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:39.120 shouldn't say what I'm about to say everyone, So if 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:40.880 you don't want to be offended, just come back in 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:45.320 thirty seconds. You've been warned. What about those people who 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:49.880 stick there and facing the sun? You know they I forget, 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:53.120 there's some kind of they get that kind of if 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:55.040 you've heard of this, haven't you Where people in the 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:58.160 morning they stick their bum up facing the sun to 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:01.680 get some kind of and the thirty second people are back, 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:05.480 you're welcome. I can't say I'm going to be doing 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:08.920 that anytime soon, especially in Magpie season. 0:02:12.280 --> 0:02:13.560 What's it supposed to do for you. 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:16.440 Oh, I don't know, it's some you know, it's I 0:02:16.480 --> 0:02:18.720 shouldn't say it's in that group. But there's a bunch 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:22.000 of people who, not a few, like quite a lot 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:24.440 of people who if maybe you can look up what's 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:28.200 see that, I reckon that David Ashbury would do that? Yeah, 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:33.120 probably maybe. Well he also David Asbury, who's a world 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:36.240 famous biohacker that you probably don't know of or need 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:38.880 to know of David. But one of the things he's 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:43.560 famous for is recommending people inject their own urine intramuscularly. 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:49.480 Oh yeah, yeah, and many other interesting and curious things. 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:51.600 I think he was one of the whether or not 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:53.520 that's a good or bad thing, but one of the 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:59.079 kind of ten, twelve, fifteen year ago early pioneers, if 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:04.000 that's a good thing of what they colloquially call biohacking. 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:08.200 But it's gaining I think it's gaining in some places 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:11.200 a little bit of credibility because what's his name, doctor 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:14.160 Jeff gross Tiff, you know, the one from Las Vegas 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:16.560 that we have on ye. I mean he's literally a 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:20.119 surgeon and a medical doctor and considers himself a biohacker. 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:22.440 So must be getting a little bit of something. 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:26.600 Really, I mean, a surgeon is the ultimate biohacker, aren't they. 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:29.560 I mean they're getting in there and chopping stuff up. 0:03:30.240 --> 0:03:35.680 Well, I know another surgeon who he said to me, 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:39.280 don't get don't get back surgery unless there is no 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:39.920 other option. 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:44.760 Look, there's a lot of a lot of stuff, and 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:49.440 about the efficacy of a lot of orthopedic surgery, you know, 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:51.840 a lot of it seems to fall in the category 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:54.320 of doing it to make the surgeon rich and not 0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:58.840 much else. You know, because the studies on whether or 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:02.920 not you know, knee operations and back operations and so on, 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:06.920 actually do anything pretty light on the ground. 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:12.280 Well. Dr cal Freed, who is a is a sports 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:15.120 physician in Melbourne, worked in the AFL system for a 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:16.880 very long time. Friend of mine, has been on the 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:22.520 show quite a few times. He is absolutely against any 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:25.920 surgery unless there's no other option. And of course there 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:29.000 are times when surgery is required, of course, but you know, 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:32.840 some people have a bit of a dodgyback surgery. It's like, no, no, 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:35.479 let's try these other seven things before we get to 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:38.600 the surgical option, which is not say, I mean, of course, 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:40.839 some surgery is life saving. Of course, we're not saying 0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:43.479 all surgery is bad or surgeons are bad. We're just 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:46.039 saying maybe it should be. Maybe it should move down 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:49.040 the list a little bit and we'll particularly for orthopedics. 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:53.640 You know it should definitely do research on any orthopedic 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:56.920 operation for a chronic disease before you go that way, 0:04:57.040 --> 0:04:58.200 I would suggest. 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:01.640 Now, speaking of all things medical, let me get my 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:03.800 little let me get a little my little specs out. 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:07.160 So in your substack tip, what are you laughing at? 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:10.000 And I look like fucking elma fud when I swapped 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:13.000 one pair of glasses for another pair of glasses. I'm 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:15.200 old as fuck now, so I don't care the rest 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:16.719 of you can make fun of me. You've got to 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:18.680 live as long as me first, so you can all 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:21.839 get rid of You've got to get to this age. 0:05:23.040 --> 0:05:25.080 Lucky. You're not sensitive about it though, right. 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:27.880 No, not at all. I'm not sensitive at all. Back 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:31.880 in therapy for Jumbo and Invisible and Dangerous Overdose is 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:36.200 the name of an article that David wrote for that's 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:40.360 in substack in his little what's it called to game data? 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:44.240 Thank you? Thank you. Every day, millions of Australian women 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:48.960 consumer government mandated medication. They don't know, they don't know 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:51.640 they're taking. It's in their morning toast, their lunchtime sandwich. 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:55.440 They're fortified cereal and they're multi vitamin tablet. This medication, 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:59.039 folic acid vitamin B nine was introduced as a public 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:03.080 health miracle, simple way to protect unborn babies from devastating 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:07.600 birth defects. But a decade later, a startling picture is emerging. 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:12.400 Do tell Okay, So let's I want to preface this 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:15.560 by if there are any pregnant we're about to be 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:21.000 pregnant women listening. There is nothing wrong with taking FOLL 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:26.479 eight supplements. It is a undoubtedly a good thing to do. 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:33.800 The benefits in preventing spina bifitter and other brain formation 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:39.040 or birth defects associated with brain malformation are unequivocal. So 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:42.520 I don't want this segment to talk anyone out of that, 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:46.320 and I make that really really clear in the piece 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:51.960 as well. But there's an unintended consequence of MANDA, and 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:54.839 I guess what I'm talking about mostly in this piece 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:57.440 is mass medication, which I have a real problem with. 0:06:57.520 --> 0:07:00.680 And we've talked before about fluoridation and very other things. 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:04.960 I'm not against the things that they're supposed to be fixing. 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:11.360 I am against mass medicating people without them knowing they're 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:14.200 being mass medicated. And we've talked before about some of 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:17.680 the other B vitamin's vitamin B six, for example, which 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:22.160 is added into magnesium tablets to make them absorbed more easily, 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:25.440 but can massively overdose you on vitamin B six in 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:29.400 a really dangerous fashion, just because you don't even know 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:31.640 you're taking it. You know, people would say I'm not 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:35.119 taking out at all, without realizing they're taking ten times 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:40.400 the daily dose just by taking magnesium tablets. This falls 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:43.960 into that category. So in two thousand and nine, the 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:48.840 Australian government mandated the vitamin B nine, or folic acid, 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:54.000 be added to all bread sold in Australia, all bread 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:59.040 and flour for making bread. So it is added in, 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:02.320 and it's added in a very specific level, which is 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:07.040 at one hundred and twenty micrograms per hundred grams. The 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:12.080 aim there was to prevent foliated deficiency in the population. Now, 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:15.440 we've never had a big problem foloid deficiency, but there 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:18.960 were some very convincing studies that said that if pregnant 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:24.440 women increase their folid intake to up to one thousand 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:31.320 micrograms per day. Then there was a significant reduction in 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:34.800 the chances of spina biffeter and a bunch of other 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:40.880 birth defects associated with the brain and spinal cord occurring. Now, 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:44.360 these things are pretty rare anyway, so a significant increase 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:47.320 in the probability or decrease in the probability. You don't 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:49.800 have to have change much to do that. But it 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:53.079 was clear on the evidence that if you increase foliated 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:57.200 supplementation during pregnancy you could reduce the rate of spina 0:08:57.240 --> 0:09:02.720 biffeter and some other conditions equivocal. So the government said, right, well, 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:04.960 we're not taking any chances with this. We're going to 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:08.120 mandate this in the bread and so we're not going 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:11.240 to tell others to be to go and take foloated supplements, 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:14.720 although they do that as well. We're just going to 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:17.360 make sure if you ignore all health advice and you 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:19.719 ignore people telling you to take foloiated supplements and all 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:23.440 that sort of stuff, and you are pregnant, then you'll 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:26.400 be fine. And that's the thing of it. So it 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:30.920 happened in two thousand and nine. Great so far the 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:35.800 problem is that a very big study has just been released. 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:43.200 There's looked at a really interesting scientific experiment, which is 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:47.760 normally you can't do experiments on pregnant women. You know, ethics. 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:51.040 People have all sorts of problems. You know, I can 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:53.280 control group you're going to do something to in another 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:55.400 control and another group you're going to not do something to. 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:58.320 It's just there's all kinds of ethical problems with that. 0:09:58.480 --> 0:10:02.600 So it's really tricky. But there was a natural experiment 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:04.720 that occurred in Australia in that there was a popular 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:07.679 there was a big study of pregnant women that was 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:12.439 where they recruited the population before the mandate, and another 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:17.280 big study the recruited from the same population after the 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:20.240 mandate ten years later. So there was a before two 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:23.240 thousand and nine and then ten years later, same group. 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:27.000 And so you've got a fantastic experiment there where you 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:30.240 can say, Okay, first of all, did it deliver the 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:35.000 promised benefits in spine and bifida. Answer unequivocally yes, they did. Okay, terrific. 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:39.720 But the other thing they noticed was a huge increase 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:45.000 and I'm talking a tripling of the rate of gestational 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:47.880 diabetes in the mothers. 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:50.760 Oh wow, oh wow. 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:55.640 So gestational diabetes is just is like type two diabetes, 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:59.800 but it's called gestational because it happens, you know, usually 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:04.880 first during pregnancy, and now all pregnant women get a 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:09.560 little bit insulent resistant. It's the nature of pregnancy. And 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:14.520 the reason for that is that evolution favors the baby, 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:18.319 and so the baby must be fed first. So if 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:21.280 you make the mother a little insulin resistant, then the 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:25.560 blood glucose is going to the baby first. So that's 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:31.439 all perfectly normal and perfectly by design. What they found though, 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:36.319 was that if you significantly overdose people on FOL eight, 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:38.719 if you go above that's what seems to be that 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:42.200 magical thousand micrograms today, by the way, the recommended doses 0:11:42.240 --> 0:11:46.000 four to six hundred micrograms per day for a pregnant woman. 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:48.840 But there's this sort of goldilock zone that's between that 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:51.560 and a thousand, where as long as you're under the thousand, 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:55.040 you're okay. B But if you go above that and 0:11:55.080 --> 0:12:00.640 significantly above that, then you significantly increase the likelihood that 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:05.280 the mother will experience gestational diabetes. So, in other words, 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:08.880 the mother will become a type two diabetic at least 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:12.160 during the pregnancy. And the studies also say that if 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:15.280 you're if you have a gestational diabetes, then you're much 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:17.959 much more likely to ultimately end up with type two 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:20.400 diabetes within a decade after the pregnancy. 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:23.960 Can I ask a quick ask a quick question just 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:26.439 to try to give this some context or meaning for 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:29.839 people going, you know, four to six hundred micrograms of 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:32.440 fole eight or up to a thousand, and it's in 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:35.800 the bread, and so people that are maybe I don't 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:37.960 know if you know the answer to this, but so 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:41.280 if somebody had, let's say, two pieces of bread that's 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:45.040 got FOL eight, you know it's been supplemented or what 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:49.240 do they call it fortified with fol eight? How much 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:52.520 like four to six hundred micrograms? What would two bits 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:55.200 of kind of regular bread have do you know. 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:59.600 Oh, well, that's two bits of bread is going to 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:02.360 be around two hundred grams. Mark in terms of bread, 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:05.200 it's one hundred and twenty. It's mandated to be one 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:10.319 hundred and twenty micrograms per hundred grams. Okay, so every 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:12.640 sandwich you have is going to be one hundred and 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:16.200 twenty micrograms. The problem is, and if that was the 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:20.040 only place it was. Then nobody be at any particular risk. 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:22.720 I suspected nobody's eating that much bread. I mean, unless 0:13:22.720 --> 0:13:25.360 you're chowing die down on an entire loaf of bread. 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:30.280 You know, in a typical day, you're not going to 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:32.719 eat well, maybe you eat two, maybe four, maybe you 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:35.720 eat six pieces of bread, but you're still well involved 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:40.440 locks aren't. The problem is that, in addition to that, 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:44.520 women are also intentionally supplementing with filowed. So one of 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:47.640 the big pieces of medical advice that they're given is 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:52.880 to take foloid supplements before conception and during pregnancy, and 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:57.120 those tablets generally are around that recommended level, somewhere between 0:13:57.120 --> 0:14:00.000 four hundred and six hundred micrograms. So that's that plus 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:02.040 one hundred and twenty and the two pieces of bread 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:06.800 plus a similar amount in a bowl of fortified cereals. 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:11.640 So most breakfast cereals are fortified with folate. Plus if 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:14.240 you take a multivitamin, then you can add another two 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:17.640 to four hundred micrograms on there as well. So, because 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:22.160 it's regarded as an unequivocally good thing, it's appearing in 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:26.040 lots of places. So there's the mandated thing in the bread. 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:29.120 But it's in lots of other places too. And what 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:34.640 the study found is that most Australian women had we're 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:40.040 now massively overdosing on folate. So between what they were 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:43.720 intentionally taking and what they're accidentally taking, they were taking 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:49.440 in a lot of folate and instead of the expected result, 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:51.840 which would be well, that doesn't really matter, it's no 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:53.280 such thing as too much of a good thing. Well, 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:55.840 in this case, it looks like there could be such 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:58.920 a thing as too much of a good thing. And 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:04.800 that's the concern. Now, you know, there's ways you can 0:15:04.840 --> 0:15:08.080 criticize this study. You can you can say, okay, well 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:12.920 the population became more obese in that period of time, 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:19.240 that's definitely true, but it didn't become not sufficient to 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:23.720 explain a tripling of the rate of gestational diabetes where 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:27.240 we've gone from five percent of pregnant women having it 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:32.880 to fifteen percent of pregnant women having it, big jump 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:33.560 in a decade. 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:38.440 Less can I ask? So when in two thousand and 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:43.040 nine this became you know, mandated, or this just became 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:47.640 was well people made aware of this, like is this 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:48.800 government at the time. 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:51.360 I think at the time there was a fairly big 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:53.880 awareness campaign around it and you know why it was 0:15:53.960 --> 0:16:00.360 being done, and everyone unequivocally agreed it was a good thing. Studies, 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:04.200 The studies on this are, you know, really clear pregnant 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:08.040 women should have folate, you know, prevention of spine of 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:13.200 if it is a massive, unequivocal benefit. The concern here 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:20.280 is that mass medicating always tends to have unintended consequences. 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:23.080 And what this study has done in a really precise 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:28.200 manner is and just because I'm lucky they had samples 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:32.320 from the same group before and after, has got into 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:35.680 the to answer the question, which is is it possible 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:37.320 to have too much of a good thing? And the 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:41.200 answer appears to be yes. So it's not I'm not 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:44.040 for a minute suggesting people shouldn't take folate or shouldn't 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:46.840 have followed supplementation. What I am suggesting is that they 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:50.840 should become an accountant of it. They should very carefully 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:54.520 pay attention to how much of it they are actually consuming. 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:57.560 And it's something we talk about, or we've talked about 0:16:57.600 --> 0:16:59.720 a bit, you and I, but also more broadly on 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:02.240 the show, a lot is about the dose. It's like 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:06.200 anything exercise is great, but not seven hours a day. 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:09.240 You know what I mean, like drinking water is good, 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:11.760 but not seven liters a day. You know, it's like me. 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:14.200 But with both of those things, you're never going to 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:17.960 do it accidentally. You're never going to accidentally fall over 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:22.840 and find you've exercised seven hours a day. Where this 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:26.840 this you'll do without knowing about it. And that's the 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:31.879 concern is that this is in all the bread by 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:36.360 not by law, but it's there anyway. It's also in 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:39.639 most of the cereals, and it's creeping into many things 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:43.000 because people see it as a marketing thing. This is 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:46.879 you know, this contains folight and that helps sell things 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:47.760 to pregnant women. 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:56.560 M wow, well, I guess like people are. How do 0:17:56.600 --> 0:17:58.840 you manage this? You just become more aware, I guess, 0:17:58.920 --> 0:17:59.400 and you just. 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:01.760 Well, it's like that with B six and we had 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:06.159 this discussion before. I mean, it's know about it, be 0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:10.160 aware of it, know about it, know how much you're consuming, 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:15.119 and be conscious of it. The the the science is 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:17.680 really clear that anything one hundred one thousand micrograms a 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:23.600 day is perfectly fine. It's it's easy to stay under 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:26.480 that as long as you're aware of it and still 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:29.280 take foiloight supplements. Just be aware. Okay, If I'm having 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:31.199 one hundred grams of bred thats one hundred and twenty grams. 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:34.520 If I'm having a breakfast cereal, there's there's some there. 0:18:34.720 --> 0:18:36.920 If I'm having any other kind of supplement, I read 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:40.119 the label and I check how much folate is in 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:40.800 this supplement. 0:18:42.000 --> 0:18:44.639 Is there a link to this article in your in 0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:46.560 your article to the actual. 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:50.320 You always always always people, I can go and read 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:51.959 read the study. 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:55.159 If you want to go to David's article if you 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:57.199 want to actually look at the paper itself or the 0:18:57.240 --> 0:18:58.800 research itself and the design. 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:01.640 And it's open access by way, so it's not one 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:03.480 of these ones that it's restricted. You can read the 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:05.960 whole paper. You can dig in as far as you 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:09.080 want to go. It's from the University of South Australia, 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:13.360 I think so. And very very recent twenty twenty five article. 0:19:13.720 --> 0:19:17.040 Speaking of pregnant women and medical issues that are also 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:21.479 in the news recently, there's well I'll just segue into that, 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:25.000 but there's been another issue with the very common drug 0:19:25.080 --> 0:19:29.040 that people have been talking about the dangers of pregnant 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:29.720 women using that. 0:19:30.560 --> 0:19:33.960 Yeah. Well, in the United States, you know, about a 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:39.000 week ago the President looked up and the soupern leader 0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:43.479 pronounced that til and old, which you know Australian listeners 0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:45.920 might not be all that familiar with. But that's paracetamol 0:19:46.000 --> 0:19:50.640 or panadol or a set of minifin as I mean. 0:19:50.960 --> 0:19:53.800 Donald had a bit of a bit of trouble pronouncing 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:56.040 that one, but let's just call it panadol for the 0:19:56.040 --> 0:20:01.960 purposes of this. So pronounced that pa at all causes autism. 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:10.160 Now that's just nonsense, that's just nonsense. But we have 0:20:10.280 --> 0:20:15.000 the leader of the free world telling pregnant women to 0:20:15.240 --> 0:20:18.520 avoid just about the only thing they're allowed to take 0:20:18.760 --> 0:20:23.359 for pain relief during pregnancy, because mostly they're told to 0:20:23.440 --> 0:20:26.800 avoid anything that is likely to actually relieve pain or 0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:30.760 in any significant degree because of the potential dangers of it. 0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:37.560 And he's basing this on a really flawed study that 0:20:37.760 --> 0:20:41.080 was done well, I don't know if it was a 0:20:41.080 --> 0:20:44.440 flawed study or just a flawed interpretation of it. There 0:20:44.480 --> 0:20:47.639 has been a study of two and a half million 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:51.320 women in the Swedish birth registry, two and a half 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:53.800 men and children in the Swedish birth registry. The Swedes 0:20:53.800 --> 0:20:55.680 are very very good at keeping these records and there 0:20:55.680 --> 0:21:00.480 are lots of studies that come from these registries that look, 0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:07.000 there's about a five percent association between a mother having 0:21:07.040 --> 0:21:12.679 taken panidole during pregnancy and the incidents of autism. Now, 0:21:13.400 --> 0:21:16.760 as you would be the first to shout there, you know, 0:21:16.840 --> 0:21:20.199 correlation is not causation, and in this case, this is 0:21:20.680 --> 0:21:24.520 real proof of it, because the thing you've got to 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:27.520 adjust for in these kinds of studies is why was 0:21:27.560 --> 0:21:31.720 the mother taking panadol in the first place. Usually they're 0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:35.200 not taking it because they like the taste. They're taking 0:21:35.240 --> 0:21:41.239 it because they're suffering pain or fever during pregnancy, and 0:21:41.320 --> 0:21:46.520 it could be that that's causing the association. But how 0:21:46.520 --> 0:21:49.040 do you adjust for that. Well, when you've got two 0:21:49.040 --> 0:21:52.560 and a half million children in a database, it's easy 0:21:52.560 --> 0:21:54.600 to adjust for them because many mothers have more than 0:21:54.640 --> 0:21:58.280 one child, and many of those mothers have one of 0:21:58.320 --> 0:22:01.480 the children where they were taking kind of old during 0:22:01.480 --> 0:22:05.240 pregnancy and another child where they weren't, And when you 0:22:05.359 --> 0:22:10.119 compare those, it goes away entirely. There is no correlation 0:22:10.600 --> 0:22:15.600 none whatsoever. And it's a big data set, so we 0:22:15.680 --> 0:22:20.440 can be reasonably confident in it. So whoever is advising 0:22:20.480 --> 0:22:22.360 Trump saw the first part of that. 0:22:22.840 --> 0:22:23.760 I think it's our fk. 0:22:25.200 --> 0:22:28.159 They saw the first part of that and left to 0:22:29.240 --> 0:22:34.600 Thailand Old causes autism, which is sheer nonsense, as proven 0:22:35.119 --> 0:22:37.320 by the second part of it, which says, when we 0:22:37.440 --> 0:22:42.399 actually analyze the data properly, there's not even a correlation there. 0:22:42.880 --> 0:22:44.120 There's just nothing. 0:22:46.119 --> 0:22:49.479 It's like for me, it's like saying, you know two 0:22:49.560 --> 0:22:55.960 and a half million children, and however, many millions of mums, 0:22:56.640 --> 0:22:59.240 and of them, you know, fifteen percent of them because 0:22:59.280 --> 0:23:03.719 of Sweden, fifteen percent of them drove Volvos. So so 0:23:04.600 --> 0:23:07.879 fifteen percent and fifteen percent of the Volvo of the 0:23:07.920 --> 0:23:12.000 women drove Volvos also had children with autism. That's a 0:23:12.040 --> 0:23:15.320 three times the correlation of panadole. You know, I mean 0:23:15.400 --> 0:23:18.480 that cause autism. That's the Volvo's cause autism. That could 0:23:18.480 --> 0:23:20.760 be the name of the show, except I don't want 0:23:20.800 --> 0:23:24.560 to get sued imagine that. 0:23:25.280 --> 0:23:29.720 But that's it's a case study in correlation and causation. 0:23:30.440 --> 0:23:33.760 It's an absolute case study. And it very rarely are 0:23:33.800 --> 0:23:38.640 you able to sew quickly and easily debunk that correlation 0:23:39.560 --> 0:23:43.280 well than in this circumstance. And yet you've now got 0:23:43.560 --> 0:23:49.520 the US government telling pregnant women not to take, as 0:23:49.560 --> 0:23:52.320 I said, just about the only thing they are allowed 0:23:52.320 --> 0:23:58.119 to take for pain during pregnancy. And by the way, 0:23:58.240 --> 0:24:03.520 this is not advice that's free from danger. Fever during 0:24:03.560 --> 0:24:11.480 pregnancy is unequivocally dangerous for unborn children. Yes, and so 0:24:11.680 --> 0:24:14.639 what you're saying to the population is tuffed out. Well. 0:24:14.680 --> 0:24:17.560 In fact, those are the exact words that President Trump used, 0:24:17.920 --> 0:24:23.480 tough it out to a pregnant woman, which is ridiculous. 0:24:24.000 --> 0:24:25.640