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Speaker 1: now into today's episode, Welcome back to Athletes to Thorty
Speaker 1: on Air, episode one hundred and seventy nine.
Speaker 2: Joined today by Aaron Scully.
Speaker 1: He's currently the athletic performance coach at Newcastle Knights. A
Speaker 1: little bit of a story there to tell you in
Speaker 1: a minute podcast listeners will be over that. Bud now
Speaker 1: and owner of I Perform and I Perform the Labs. Mate,
Speaker 1: thanks for jumping on.
Speaker 4: Thanks mate, thanks for having me part.
Speaker 1: It's probably coincides really good with you actually, mate, about
Speaker 1: two years ago. I was a Newcastle fan for twenty
Speaker 1: two years and about two years ago I gave up.
Speaker 2: I'm chokies now.
Speaker 1: But probably coincide when you join them, wasn't it about
Speaker 1: two years ago?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Mate, Yeah, it was a roundabout that time actually yeah
Speaker 3: two Yeah, twenty twenty three was my first year, so
Speaker 3: I was at the Tigers before that, which great club.
Speaker 3: But yeah that was that was that And yeah, join
Speaker 3: your cast from the Lights twenty twenty three and had
Speaker 3: a great season and there here we go again.
Speaker 2: Made it hurt.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie it hurt because there's always a
Speaker 1: bit of newie in me. It hurt last year because
Speaker 1: you guys obviously did so well, which has not been
Speaker 1: the norm for the previous at least ten years anyway,
Speaker 1: So congrats to you for doing a great job there
Speaker 1: mate with the boys, and we'll jump into that in
Speaker 1: a minute, but mate, you're getting some good press.
Speaker 2: We had Forbes magazine in.
Speaker 1: Yesterday into your facility and you recently just opened up
Speaker 1: it's called I Performed Lab. We had a bit of
Speaker 1: a chat off air beforehand, which was obviously great, but
Speaker 1: maybe to give the listen a little bit insight made
Speaker 1: into what the vision was behind opening up this space,
Speaker 1: because he's pretty unique and really just niching down on
Speaker 1: one aspect of athlete devent which will athlete developent or
Speaker 1: performance or longevity as you called it before, being the
Speaker 1: testing side of things, mate, So we'd love to get
Speaker 1: some of your thoughts and ideas.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Thanks, Yeah, it is obviously an exciting, the daunting chapter
Speaker 3: for my wife and I going out and becoming entrepreneurs.
Speaker 3: Opening our facility. I guess the vision was for me,
Speaker 3: so I thought someone was actually walking in there, even
Speaker 3: though even though the doors what good problem?
Speaker 2: Are you that busy?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: People busting the door.
Speaker 4: No, not at all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I guess the vision was around you know, obviously,
Speaker 3: working in professional sport, you get access to a lot
Speaker 3: of a lot of cool toys, you know, like your
Speaker 3: all your sports sign stuff, the stuff we used for
Speaker 3: you know, tell people through the rehab process, but also
Speaker 3: screen for performance limitters and you know, areas that might
Speaker 3: be an increased risk of injury. And I've thought to myself,
Speaker 3: why isn't this available to everybody, and and why isn't
Speaker 3: it more accessible to everybody. It's make their life better
Speaker 3: and to help them enjoy their weekend sport, or recover
Speaker 3: from their injuries, or even just to get some insight
Speaker 3: into what they do to see if they can do
Speaker 3: it better. So you know, everyone's wearing the woop watchers,
Speaker 3: and you know people are measuring their blood glucose and
Speaker 3: you know, getting their their dexter scans and all that
Speaker 3: kind of stuff. And I thought, well, this is just another,
Speaker 3: you know, another piece of that puzzle. So yeah, it
Speaker 3: was funny, Like I kind of use an art book.
Speaker 3: I use a black canvas when I'm thinking or when
Speaker 3: I'm doing a bit of a brain dump or coming
Speaker 3: up with the ideas and I just was sitting up
Speaker 3: till I would have been close to midnight one night, listening.
Speaker 4: To I don't know what I'm doing through but.
Speaker 3: With my lead pencil and I was just drawing little
Speaker 3: shramatics and I kind of come up with this concept
Speaker 3: and it just becomes so clear. And for me, I'm
Speaker 3: a perfectionist, it's taken me a long time the kind
Speaker 3: of pull this trigger on something, but this is so clear,
Speaker 3: and you know, we found a facility and we just
Speaker 3: kind of went for it and yeah.
Speaker 4: Here it is. I performed lab and it's it's really exciting.
Speaker 3: It's starting to get a lot of the tension, and
Speaker 3: it's pretty cool to bring something unique not only to
Speaker 3: the central coast one from, but you know, to the
Speaker 3: health and wellness industry itself.
Speaker 1: The vision that you mentioned there before, Like we've taken
Speaker 1: the concepts that you know a lot of people that
Speaker 1: are involved with the coaches or in the rehab space
Speaker 1: are familiar with, but you've distilled it down probably across
Speaker 1: two sort of verticals with the you know, the general
Speaker 1: punter or the average weekend warrior and then some of
Speaker 1: the semi elite that are trying to crack it into
Speaker 1: some of the more elite or spaces. What's been the
Speaker 1: reception so far. What sort of feedback you've gotten from
Speaker 1: the community since you've been open.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been it's been really good. So yeah, you're right. Yeah,
Speaker 4: generally that's probably our Zach market.
Speaker 3: So it's the aspiring athletes, the people that are on
Speaker 3: the fringes, individual athletes as well. Yeah, definitely your weekend Warrior,
Speaker 3: but then more importantly people that are coming back from
Speaker 3: injuries so leaking up with a lot of physiasm and
Speaker 3: stuff as well.
Speaker 4: The reception has been really cool.
Speaker 3: It's initially it was people walking past or reaching out
Speaker 3: to me on socials kind of asking me a few
Speaker 3: more questions like what is this? Like am I getting
Speaker 3: there to Matt's tested, or like what's But then as
Speaker 3: people started kind of pulling the trigger and rolling in,
Speaker 3: they've kind of spoken to other people and then it's
Speaker 3: kind of just I guess snowboard a little bit, and
Speaker 3: I guess the main reception or that the main feedback
Speaker 3: I'm getting is wow, like people coming in getting answers
Speaker 3: to questions they didn't know that they had in and
Speaker 3: around their body, but also seeing some of the cool
Speaker 3: stuff that people like you or me take for granted
Speaker 3: because we get to use it every day. So you know,
Speaker 3: people are jumping on a fourth frame or you know,
Speaker 3: doing a myth Stide pool or you know, jumping on
Speaker 3: a nordboard doing a ISO thirty or something, just going
Speaker 3: like what is this? And I've got the big screens
Speaker 3: and they can see all their their stuff kind of
Speaker 3: or their scores and that kind of pop up and
Speaker 3: the force trays and it's just like wow.
Speaker 4: And yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Guess it would be like us before we knew what
Speaker 3: it was, seeing it for the first time.
Speaker 4: That's that's what is kind of happening for everyone else, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I guess. And for you as as you said you're
Speaker 2: aspiring entrepreneur.
Speaker 1: Now, you know, that's probably really good positive reinforcement around
Speaker 1: the decision. The old lead pencil and book probably came
Speaker 1: to fruition, which is obviously what you want to have happened.
Speaker 1: You've created a pretty cool space as well. I think
Speaker 1: like that's probably an aspect that a lot of people
Speaker 1: over look. You know, you don't look like a physioclinic,
Speaker 1: you don't really look like a gym. You've kind of
Speaker 1: found like that perfect middle ground you mentioned, got the
Speaker 1: TV there with the force trace, so it becomes quite interactive.
Speaker 1: Is there anything unique that you think that you did
Speaker 1: in that setup to maximize the engagement for the people
Speaker 1: coming through. Maybe a little tip for someone that's maybe
Speaker 1: thinking of setting up maybe they in a facility they
Speaker 1: have a little testing corner, or they're thinking of having
Speaker 1: a dedicated room or something like that. Anything that you've
Speaker 1: sort of learned over you know, I know it's been
Speaker 1: only limited time so far, but you've obviously learned so
Speaker 1: much already.
Speaker 3: I look, you know, I'll front load this answer with
Speaker 3: the fact that I am by no means an expert
Speaker 3: in business.
Speaker 4: Or this area.
Speaker 3: I'm so new to this and I'm learning every single day.
Speaker 3: To answer your question, find a really good, creative, intelligent
Speaker 3: missus because she has literally designed everything from the floor
Speaker 3: to the ceiling here, like the branding, thisesthetics, like the
Speaker 3: the layout of everything, like the colors where things go,
Speaker 3: like she was the boss. And then I guess to
Speaker 3: answer your question, you know, more directly, I think just having.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you got to think.
Speaker 3: Iron age and an outpotit there, like they've they've got
Speaker 3: some great stuff. Well, those iron as Matt's are, you know,
Speaker 3: second or none, They're outstanding. You know, we've got really
Speaker 3: good colors there. We've got a nice track from them.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 3: It's done a great job with the squat rats and
Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff that I think just keeping
Speaker 3: it simple. We kind of when I drew this plan
Speaker 3: and literally when I drew it on the canvas and
Speaker 3: looks like exactly the way.
Speaker 4: It's kind of la It's really cool to see a
Speaker 4: vision come of life.
Speaker 3: But I kind of looked at it when I drew
Speaker 3: it and I was like, oh, it doesn't look like
Speaker 3: there's much there, Like, it looks a bit bad. But
Speaker 3: I think sometimes there's you know, beauty in things that
Speaker 3: are simple, like and clean and it's not flooded. And
Speaker 3: I think that's people come in here and they say this,
Speaker 3: it looks so big in here, like it looks really cool,
Speaker 3: but it's the small space. It's about one hundred and
Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty one hundred and thirty square meters
Speaker 3: and within that there's like two three x three meter rooms.
Speaker 3: So it probably looks spacious because of the simple design
Speaker 3: of it and you know, not trying to fill every space.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that good minimalistic feel.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, which is probably the only part of my
Speaker 3: life that has that.
Speaker 2: Fair enough. Fair enough, yeah, no, fair enough, great point, Lucky.
Speaker 1: I've got a missus it is like yours, by the
Speaker 1: sounds of it, that can sort of sort all that
Speaker 1: stuff out, because I think we're a couple of battler's
Speaker 1: over here, but well made.
Speaker 3: If you I'll just stop you on that f you
Speaker 3: are putting this podcast up tonight, We're both going to go.
Speaker 4: Hans will really nice spin up. Gave you this is
Speaker 4: a good plan, I hope.
Speaker 1: So, And like like you said there before, like a
Speaker 1: lot of facilities you know now in the private space,
Speaker 1: physio clinics, you know, pro clubs like you've been involved
Speaker 1: in and are involved in, you know, they have testing
Speaker 1: as a part of the club or the membership or
Speaker 1: whatever that sort of may be there. Now you've done
Speaker 1: it in both you've got your own setup. You've also
Speaker 1: done it obviously in those other environments.
Speaker 4: What do you reckon?
Speaker 1: Some of the big mistakes are that people make, whether
Speaker 1: that be in regards to the way the testing conducted,
Speaker 1: the way the information is delivered to the athlete, or
Speaker 1: you know, is there anything else you can sort of
Speaker 1: think about that sort of might be you know, a key,
Speaker 1: key problem that you've sort of popped up along the way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think there's a couple of parts of
Speaker 3: that question. I think I don't think anyone, you know,
Speaker 3: anyone necessarily that I've kind of I've seen or worked with,
Speaker 3: necessarily does anything wrong. I think just with all the
Speaker 3: stuff that we have access to now, we're trying to
Speaker 3: do a lot of things, and.
Speaker 4: You know, I guess for me, you know, I'll go
Speaker 4: back to.
Speaker 3: A bit of a I think it's Bruce Lee or
Speaker 3: Hole or someone that said this, but you know, practice
Speaker 3: one thing and do that one thing really really well.
Speaker 3: So for me, that was the the profiling, and just
Speaker 3: instead of trying to do you know, I thought about
Speaker 3: doing the whole gym and the profiling and having a
Speaker 3: physio and doing all that, but I just wanted to
Speaker 3: keep it really simple and just to just focus on
Speaker 3: doing that one thing, that profiling, and get the answers
Speaker 3: to those questions not just around injury, bit about performance
Speaker 3: and keeping performance at the at the top end of
Speaker 3: that's a performance first, how can I improve how can
Speaker 3: I find some some things that can help you through
Speaker 3: that and then secondaries about how can I then mitigate
Speaker 3: help the athletes or you know, person to mitigate injury
Speaker 3: risk also, and I guess that was that was kind.
Speaker 4: Of what I wanted to do really really well.
Speaker 3: I think the third part to that question in and
Speaker 3: around what some people could do wrong when you know,
Speaker 3: I cannot speak to everybody, but the questions that I
Speaker 3: get here is in and around the data. So it's
Speaker 3: about it's about changing the the instead of using let
Speaker 3: me see, instead of using eccentric rate of force of
Speaker 3: development in the counter movement jump over body relative et centric,
Speaker 3: instead of using that, I just call it breaking or
Speaker 3: find your brakes, you know, and and and and linking
Speaker 3: it to to their everyday life or what they do
Speaker 3: and how that can help them you know, walk down
Speaker 3: stairs or to to stop suddenly or to you know,
Speaker 3: things like that, because it's about interpretation, and that was
Speaker 3: a big part of this model is about interpretation and
Speaker 3: making sure that the report was interpretable and that they
Speaker 3: could read that and interpret it as somebody that knows
Speaker 3: absolutely nothing about the industry.
Speaker 4: So that was probably, yeah, a really big, really big
Speaker 4: thing for me.
Speaker 1: Have I answered your question, Yeah, No, definitely, I have
Speaker 1: to agree with you. I think now with everyone having
Speaker 1: to be able to have access this and ione a
Speaker 1: lot of people having access this sort of stuff, we
Speaker 1: can often speak a different language exactly what you were
Speaker 1: saying there, and it becomes just it just goes over
Speaker 1: people's heads. So part one is exactly what you said
Speaker 1: there is the ability to relate that back to the
Speaker 1: athlete or the individual and to their specific context, because
Speaker 1: there's no point in talking to a goal for about
Speaker 1: Raby League. They might get it from a practical standpoint
Speaker 1: from watching it on TV or something. They don't I
Speaker 1: don't understand, they don't feel it, they don't get to
Speaker 1: experience what you're talking about. So the relatability to their context.
Speaker 1: And then two exactly what you said there around when
Speaker 1: they're taking that home from a prescription standpoint or breaking
Speaker 1: down the data. Can they do that as someone who
Speaker 1: doesn't really have any idea, you know, there's nothing worse
Speaker 1: And when you go to the doctor and you get
Speaker 1: a script or something and you're trying to read it and
Speaker 1: you've got no no fucking idea what they're saying, what
Speaker 1: they mean. So having that easily applicable that you can
Speaker 1: then make changes off the back of that, so I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly that there's they're the key things now because everyone
Speaker 1: has access to it. Now, it's going to become who
Speaker 1: are the people the best at communicating the results and
Speaker 1: then the follow up process off the back of that
Speaker 1: will really succeed in that that sort of space.
Speaker 2: That's my two cents anyway, Yeah, mate.
Speaker 3: No, it's it's money we'll spare mate. Yeah no, yeah,
Speaker 3: definitely mate, I definitely agree. And for me too, like
Speaker 3: if I'm trying to I'm trying there's no real price
Speaker 3: points here, you know, Like we spoke about it offline
Speaker 3: around when you said what kind of what kind of prices.
Speaker 4: Do I have?
Speaker 3: It's hard because nobody has just a modern day lap
Speaker 3: that's you know that it's just profile people. So to me,
Speaker 3: I'm trying to make it as affordable as possible. But
Speaker 3: that also means that when I send somebody a report,
Speaker 3: I don't want to be answering you know, five or
Speaker 3: ten Instagram messages per person.
Speaker 4: About their report.
Speaker 3: They need to be able to read it and go, yes,
Speaker 3: I know exactly what I'm saying. And that wasn't the
Speaker 3: case in the first corner three or four weeks. But
Speaker 3: I've got that to a point now where I'm seconding
Speaker 3: with people and they go, yep, it's clear as money,
Speaker 3: And that's for me. That's great feedback because I'm talking
Speaker 3: to tradees, I'm talking at you know, sixty plus, you know,
Speaker 3: men and women that are just wanting to stay active.
Speaker 4: I'm talking to some young athletes parents.
Speaker 3: So the fact that they can all interpret and understand
Speaker 3: what I'm saying to them so far, it's really important.
Speaker 1: That's also I think that obviously comes from experience, being
Speaker 1: able to understand and answering ten questions off the back
Speaker 1: of every individual. If you do in five a week
Speaker 1: either right, which isn't many, that's fifty questions, like, it
Speaker 1: becomes unsustainable and then you start to you start to
Speaker 1: be just treading water and not moving forward. So being
Speaker 1: out identified by anyone listening that sort of has a
Speaker 1: similar experience or they notice, hang on a second, I'm
Speaker 1: getting a lot of follow up questions. Take note of that,
Speaker 1: because you can really make some changes and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, you've fred up all this time to do
Speaker 1: what you actually said.
Speaker 3: I doing now the best I've seen, I'll tell you,
Speaker 3: they're like my one of my mentors I coming through
Speaker 3: as an SMC is Indrew Gray. I don't know if
Speaker 3: you ever heard of Inrew Gray. Certainly someone yeah, myself
Speaker 3: and my boss Maddy j you know, we kind of
Speaker 3: come up under he is. The guy's got four brains,
Speaker 3: Like he's one of the smartest humans.
Speaker 4: I have ever met.
Speaker 3: But the way he can simplify, simplify things, you know,
Speaker 3: in a sentence or.
Speaker 4: Two, just to you know, bring some.
Speaker 3: Context to it for an athlete or you know, myself,
Speaker 3: staff or whatever, or to talk to when he's talking
Speaker 3: about something, just such an important skill.
Speaker 4: And he's probably the best I've seen at it. And
Speaker 4: that's something I've.
Speaker 3: Always I guess now you and thought that is really
Speaker 3: really important. I'm definitely don't have four brains, but being
Speaker 3: able to you know, be an interpreted essentially and explain,
Speaker 3: you know, a different language and interpret that different language
Speaker 3: to somebody's sort of making made sense, so that he's
Speaker 3: super powerful, I.
Speaker 1: Think absolutely absolutely. You mentioned profiling a few times there
Speaker 1: as well. Again offline, we're sort of chatting around some
Speaker 1: of those profiles that you're doing. Maybe you want to
Speaker 1: dive into a little bit around some of the key
Speaker 1: ones that you've been doing so far, what you're looking at,
Speaker 1: what some of the key tests are, and maybe even
Speaker 1: some of the key trends you've found as well at
Speaker 1: the moment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's for sure.
Speaker 3: Well, I guess one of the one of the most
Speaker 3: the most popular one we're doing at the moment is.
Speaker 4: A and I guess you know, I'll start with it
Speaker 4: is the.
Speaker 3: Whole purpose behind all this and behind the name and
Speaker 3: everything is and this is what I just anching myself
Speaker 3: off is the fact that I just want people to
Speaker 3: be the best I can be. I just want to
Speaker 3: help people perform with their best. So that's that's, you know,
Speaker 3: where this kind of comes from. But yeah, there's your question.
Speaker 3: A sport ready profile, that's basically that's that's basically for
Speaker 3: the weekend warrior, for the active person. You know, like
Speaker 3: think of it being somebody you know, twenty five to
Speaker 3: fifty that's just gets after in the gym, gets after
Speaker 3: on the weekend, maybe players os tags first, whatever, that's
Speaker 3: for them.
Speaker 4: That's just for them that you know, it's a profile.
Speaker 3: Then to give them an idea of where they're fitting
Speaker 3: in terms of you know, their imbalancers or their hip strength, care, strength,
Speaker 3: hamstring strength, power, mobility, all that kind of stuff, strength, power, mobility,
Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff so that they can keep
Speaker 3: doing what they're doing and enjoying it. The reason I
Speaker 3: created that particular profile was a really good friend of mine.
Speaker 3: His wife plays okay, super active feeling runs every day,
Speaker 3: go down and play tabor, play off. You goes husbands
Speaker 3: with the kids. Three kids go out in kings and
Speaker 3: handshry pretty bad. She couldn't serve, she couldn't run, she
Speaker 3: couldn't pick up of kids, play the kids.
Speaker 4: And I thought to myself, why don't I.
Speaker 3: Create something that can essentially be, yeah, a little tool
Speaker 3: before they go out and they do these things, so
Speaker 3: that they can get an idea of if they do
Speaker 3: have any I'm not going I say risks is like,
Speaker 3: I'm not prettics injuries, but if they do have any
Speaker 3: strength of businesses that could therefore lead to something that's
Speaker 3: got that occurrence. So I did just bought ready profile them.
Speaker 3: That's kind of broken up into four main parts. So
Speaker 3: you've got your your flexibility, mobility assessment, You've got some
Speaker 3: power assessments, you've got some strength, and then you've got
Speaker 3: a bunch of resilience tests as well. It takes about
Speaker 3: forty five minutes. An example might be, you know, we'll
Speaker 3: video at the start, We'll do like a a needle war,
Speaker 3: real simple, We'll do a overhead squad and we'll do
Speaker 3: a thoracic rotation and I'll just video that and I'll
Speaker 3: score that subjectively. But it also gives me a bit
Speaker 3: of an idea of like watching them having an idea.
Speaker 3: You know, I've already seen that if they've got you know,
Speaker 3: if they've got limited ankle range. You can see how
Speaker 3: they're moving through a squat pattern. I can see if
Speaker 3: they're limited through a thoracic rotation. So I can already
Speaker 3: kind of deal with a bit of a bit of
Speaker 3: a picture in my head.
Speaker 1: And sorry to cut you off that, but that's that's
Speaker 1: your experience as a coach of all these years coming
Speaker 1: into play, right, Like you're using that as as a screen.
Speaker 1: You're already going to predict what's going to happen before
Speaker 1: it's going to happen a little bit. And that's that's
Speaker 1: that coach's eye in full effect that people often undervalue
Speaker 1: in some of those scenarios like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's funny to say that because I was
Speaker 3: thinking of using a I wasn't going to use in
Speaker 3: human trap. It was really good programs from Valot, but
Speaker 3: I wanted to rely on my own experience there. I
Speaker 3: guess this is where the AI or not AI, but
Speaker 3: where the technology can sometimes uh you know, take away
Speaker 3: sometimes things to automated, right, So I wanted to kind of.
Speaker 4: Visually see that my own feedback on that.
Speaker 3: So yeah, So then from there we'll go into a
Speaker 3: power you know a bit of a bit of some
Speaker 3: power tests to see them day, depending who they are,
Speaker 3: what they kind a lot to do. They might do
Speaker 3: a drop hop off a twenty cent meter box just
Speaker 3: looking at their rs I off each leg, their symmetries,
Speaker 3: and we'll do a what else we do we do
Speaker 3: it or we'll do a tend followed. So then that
Speaker 3: way I'm kind of building a picture already of their
Speaker 3: their kind of you know, I can look at their
Speaker 3: break and I can look.
Speaker 4: At their relative power. I can look at how they're
Speaker 4: moving in the jump.
Speaker 3: I can look at their r you know, the RSI
Speaker 3: left and right, you know, if they're kind of efficient
Speaker 3: or efficient. Then we'll go on some strength stuff. You
Speaker 3: just jump in mate, because I can talk about the
Speaker 3: stuff with that great and you love it. Then we'll
Speaker 3: go into some strength stuff. So with this particular profile,
Speaker 3: the sport Ready protofile, we'll only do a midside pool.
Speaker 4: And we'll do a grip test. From there we finish off.
Speaker 3: That's almost like a session like we do your mobility,
Speaker 3: do your power, do your strength, and then we'll finish
Speaker 3: off with like a nord board or some kind of
Speaker 3: handstringing test, might be an ISO thirty Tom playing around
Speaker 3: with at the moment, or.
Speaker 4: A or a Nordic.
Speaker 3: We will do a some fourth frame test, so your
Speaker 3: abduction aduction at forty five degrees, and then if I'm
Speaker 3: not happy with that, I'll also do a straight leg
Speaker 3: as well, and then we'll will finish off with a
Speaker 3: I've been doing the betany.
Speaker 4: Calf into the or into into the into the force plates. Yeah,
Speaker 4: in the into the fourth decks.
Speaker 3: And I think you asked me early a question about
Speaker 3: what's the most common thing I'm seeing that there. That's
Speaker 3: probably the most common thing I'm seeing, like big, big
Speaker 3: differences in left and right. A lot of people, some
Speaker 3: people that you wouldn't think super strong. There some people
Speaker 3: like you know, it might be eighty flows, you know,
Speaker 3: only maybe pushing you know, eight hundred mutons or something,
Speaker 3: which for me is like there's a couple of couple
Speaker 3: of question marks there, so that that's that And probably
Speaker 3: the hit strength and the ratios between his strength has
Speaker 3: probably been the biggest one for me and been a
Speaker 3: bit of an harm moment for a lot of the
Speaker 3: clients as well.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and you've you said that perfectly, like after a
Speaker 1: while you start to see those sort of trends across cohorts,
Speaker 1: you know, certain buckets of individuals or qualities as well.
Speaker 1: The calf one's very interesting if we want to dive
Speaker 1: into that just a tiny little bit, do you Probably
Speaker 1: two things come to mind for me is one is
Speaker 1: people just don't train calves enough. They don't train them
Speaker 1: heavy enough with enough intent. And then too, if they do,
Speaker 1: they're probably not doing enough bent kneework.
Speaker 2: What's your what's your thoughts on that? Like from your perspective?
Speaker 4: Look, mate, I I.
Speaker 3: Couldn't tell you, like I mean, for me personally, I've
Speaker 3: never trained casks rectly well myself, we do the athletes
Speaker 3: I work with now, But yeah, I couldn't tell you,
Speaker 3: like if it's.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it could be that. It could be that they're oh, mate,
Speaker 4: I honestly, I couldn't tell you.
Speaker 3: I try to be pretty ejective to here, and the
Speaker 3: fact that that's just what I'm seeing, Yeah, I'd be
Speaker 3: creating a narrative if if I guess why that is.
Speaker 4: It's such a diverse range of people that we get
Speaker 4: in here.
Speaker 3: You know, we've got like sixty five year old bloats
Speaker 3: that might do a heap of foiling, surfing, stand up
Speaker 3: paddle boarding, and mountain biking, right through to a thirty
Speaker 3: five year old warden floor tyler.
Speaker 4: So I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know what they do outside of their training,
Speaker 3: But the fact is when they come in here, the
Speaker 3: recommendation I'll give them is they probably need to be
Speaker 3: a little bit stronger.
Speaker 4: There.
Speaker 3: We've got a guy doing, a guy that was to
Speaker 3: do a marathon, another guy that was to do one
Speaker 3: hundred k event in the Blue Mountains, and you know
Speaker 3: one of those guys, one or two of those guys
Speaker 3: had really really weak that needs up. And I thought
Speaker 3: to myself, it's probably something you want to address. Otherwise
Speaker 3: you might run in a few issues, not just in
Speaker 3: the event, but in your training for the event.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and for you picking up those flags just again
Speaker 1: further creates greater buying with those with those athletes and
Speaker 1: individuals that you're testing, right because as you said, you're
Speaker 1: seeing things that they're not seeing, or you're also doubling
Speaker 1: down on things that they may have read or understand
Speaker 1: about their body as well. I guess the question there
Speaker 1: is the follow up process. So you've got them in,
Speaker 1: you've assessed them, do you then say, hey, in eight
Speaker 1: weeks or ten weeks after a particular cycle, would love
Speaker 1: to get you back in to sort of see where
Speaker 1: you're currently at.
Speaker 2: What's the follow up process?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great question, and I'd be welcome. I'd
Speaker 3: welcome people to help me with that. That's probably not
Speaker 3: one that we're fully across yet. The question that I've
Speaker 3: been getting is how, you know, how often should I test?
Speaker 3: And I say, well, athletes will do some of these
Speaker 3: tests every week and at very least probably every four
Speaker 3: to six weeks. So if somebody is coming in to
Speaker 3: get some testing, are usually what I've been saying is
Speaker 3: kind of booking, you know, in stwod of three months,
Speaker 3: so we're trying to get you know, three or four
Speaker 3: of these in a year if we can.
Speaker 4: But for these, yeah, that's that's one. That's pretty true.
Speaker 4: What I'm trying to what I'm trying to see is.
Speaker 3: The motivation people have when they leave here about wanting
Speaker 3: to better their testing results, and potentially.
Speaker 4: That will be a little bit more organic. That'd be
Speaker 4: the perfect case.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's that's a that's a that's a great
Speaker 3: question that I probably haven't one hundred percent figured out yet,
Speaker 3: hence my my novices as an entrepreneur.
Speaker 2: That's great, mate.
Speaker 1: I think that the transparency there's obviously fantastic because it
Speaker 1: just goes to show a lot of people love love
Speaker 1: to maybe sit on these ideas and not push them
Speaker 1: and and sort of I could have done this, I
Speaker 1: could have done that, but you haven't read it, crack
Speaker 1: you learning on the lane. I'm sure if we're ask
Speaker 1: in four months time, you're going to have a completely
Speaker 1: different answer. And that's the the perks of being a
Speaker 1: business owner, mate, So I love that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what, yeah, thanks mate.
Speaker 3: I just said to the you know, to my wife
Speaker 3: at the start, like when we started all this, I said, look,
Speaker 3: I need you to help me with all the business
Speaker 3: stuff because all I want to do is just help
Speaker 3: people perform their best. That's what I've been, That's what
Speaker 3: I'm obsessed with that myself, and that's all I want
Speaker 3: for everyone else.
Speaker 4: And I said, if we can make a living from this.
Speaker 3: Or make a business from this, or you know, anything
Speaker 3: to do with money and the business development side, I
Speaker 3: need your help because I just I need to keep
Speaker 3: this as my core purpose because that I feel like
Speaker 3: that that is what's going to you know, cultivate, you know,
Speaker 3: suggest in other areas. I just need to keep that
Speaker 3: as myself purpose. So I'm sure I'll get some help
Speaker 3: with that other stuff along the way.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I reckon it could be really valid in a
Speaker 1: couple of months time to touch base with you again
Speaker 1: with your wife as well, to be able to go
Speaker 1: through some of those things, because I reckon a lot
Speaker 1: of people listening to this art coaches, whether they're working
Speaker 1: for themselves or someone else, and they probably sit in
Speaker 1: a very similar boat as you, like they love helping people,
Speaker 1: They love doubling down on the training side of things,
Speaker 1: testing side things obvious for your scenario, but that that
Speaker 1: follow up to the next part to actually make it
Speaker 1: viable living is probably the other part they're missing. So
Speaker 1: I reckon, let's let's pencil that in, mate, and we'll
Speaker 1: sort of see where where you're at in a.
Speaker 2: Little bit of time with with her by your.
Speaker 3: Side as well well, Mate, I could be busting with
Speaker 3: my hat out in the center of terrible.
Speaker 4: Mate when when your core so so yeah, it may
Speaker 4: all of all of a ship.
Speaker 2: I doubt it, Mate, I doubt it.
Speaker 1: And the reason I doubt it is I really want
Speaker 1: to start diving into this a little bit around your
Speaker 1: professional career as well in sport, because we haven't really
Speaker 1: touched on it yet. And I reckon, if you were
Speaker 1: to open up a textbook, mate, you have probably the
Speaker 1: perfect career progression. Now I'm sure you can probably a
Speaker 1: test that may not be the case. But let me
Speaker 1: just read it out so people can understand why I
Speaker 1: say this. So, your intern with the Junior Pathways with
Speaker 1: Rugby Australia, you're the SENC intern with the Newsouelan's Wartars.
Speaker 1: You're at SSENC at a private school. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to say the school because I'll just bombit the name.
Speaker 1: You're an assistant SENC at Carnella Sharks, the head SENC
Speaker 1: of the Junior Wallabies, the Academy lead SENC and then
Speaker 1: two senior SENC with the war Retars again SENC in
Speaker 1: private with the newsoor Wal's Institute of Sport an IRL
Speaker 1: West Tiger's head performance coach and now obviously at the
Speaker 1: Newcastle Knights, which we alluded to at the very start there.
Speaker 1: So mate, like if you look at that over your
Speaker 1: career there like a lot of people look at that
Speaker 1: and go that is honestly, that's the dream You've had,
Speaker 1: A dabbled in sport, professional sport, across ages, cross codes,
Speaker 1: little bit of school stuff again which is a different environment.
Speaker 1: Then also the private stuff in the institute as well.
Speaker 1: What do you say to that?
Speaker 4: I say that.
Speaker 3: She's a lot of there's a lot of grinding there
Speaker 3: and actually looks really good.
Speaker 2: It looks great, mate, it looks fantastic.
Speaker 3: When when you email it to me. But I guess
Speaker 3: there's a lot of there's a lot of space to
Speaker 3: feel in between all that intern in terms of you
Speaker 3: know that the things I have to do to get
Speaker 3: some of those opportunities. Yeah, I will say I wasn't
Speaker 3: the head of performance at the West Tigers.
Speaker 4: I was. I was I was a performance coach, which.
Speaker 2: You do have written, so I probably read that wrong.
Speaker 2: That's typical of me.
Speaker 3: That's fine. Yeah, yeah, I don't know where do you.
Speaker 1: Want to start, mate, Well, like honestly, so like the
Speaker 1: process out of you worked your way through the you know,
Speaker 1: the typical and the classical intern process, through to assistance
Speaker 1: or junior programs and then through to the head programs
Speaker 1: or the lead programs. So like looking at that there,
Speaker 1: how do you how did you find that did each
Speaker 1: of those internships across multiple sports? You know, what information
Speaker 1: did you learn, what people did you have some along
Speaker 1: the way that could then set you up to each
Speaker 1: part of that.
Speaker 2: The other thing, I think that.
Speaker 1: You've done a really good job of again outside looking
Speaker 1: in multiple sports, multiple environments, which a lot of people
Speaker 1: probably maybe would just say I'm just going to stay
Speaker 1: in rugby league or I'm just going to stay in
Speaker 1: rugby union or soccer.
Speaker 2: Yeah your thoughts on that, yeah, mate.
Speaker 4: For sure?
Speaker 3: Well I guess the the Yeah, even just getting to
Speaker 3: that internship that I had, like the Junior Pathways internship
Speaker 3: I kind of had through UNI that was kind of
Speaker 3: like we had to do some the hours and I
Speaker 3: managed to get into the junior goal scored and I
Speaker 3: coached the team every Tuesday and Thursday night.
Speaker 4: That was some of the elite rugby union players in
Speaker 4: my area.
Speaker 3: And then that internship that I had at the Waratahs
Speaker 3: that I initially got knocked back to that internship in
Speaker 3: twenty thirteen and then I've got accepted in twenty fourteen.
Speaker 3: Will let you know, I was I was twenty nine
Speaker 3: when I did that internship, so I was or twenty
Speaker 3: eight like I was, I.
Speaker 4: Was a little bit older.
Speaker 3: That was six days a week, that was full time, unpaid,
Speaker 3: and at the time I was living on the Central Coast,
Speaker 3: so it wasn't like, you know, it wasn't all all you.
Speaker 4: Paid in fancy like was it was a grind.
Speaker 3: We did eventually move down to Sydney where I you know,
Speaker 3: I worked in you know, I did that internship, but
Speaker 3: I was also working at Riverview College in the mornings
Speaker 3: before that, so I drive over to Lane Cove and
Speaker 3: then i'd leave there, I'd go to the Watoils all
Speaker 3: that and go back to.
Speaker 4: Lane Cove.
Speaker 3: In the afternoons of the afternoonship and then we had
Speaker 3: a twenty four hour caplay down the road for me
Speaker 3: and I was working in my masters, so it was
Speaker 3: it was it was a tough, tough, tough, tough year.
Speaker 3: But one thing that I feel like really helped me
Speaker 3: is initially I thought I was doing the internship to
Speaker 3: get a job. I was like, I've got to get
Speaker 3: a job to get a job. But then I thought
Speaker 3: to myself, I'm going to make it. I'm going to
Speaker 3: do such a good job here that when I leave
Speaker 3: there there's going to be a gap they're going to
Speaker 3: be like, oh that's what getting done or that they you know,
Speaker 3: And that's the way I kind of approached it. That
Speaker 3: helped me just to do a good job every day.
Speaker 3: And when that winning the Super Rugby Total that year
Speaker 3: for the first time, Mamber, that was really cool. I
Speaker 3: feel like I played a small part in that. From there,
Speaker 3: exactly that happened, I got I got off of the
Speaker 3: job at the Sharks, and then that's why I kind
Speaker 3: of left the Sharks after that year, because the Warritas
Speaker 3: then came back and offered me an opportunity running their academy.
Speaker 3: So you know, I think it was a two or
Speaker 3: three year contract and I was like, beauty, just where
Speaker 3: it all started.
Speaker 4: I want to get back there and then yeah, it
Speaker 4: all kind of evolved from that.
Speaker 3: But you know that that academy role that I had
Speaker 3: at the War of Tars was like I was still
Speaker 3: doing rehab for the senior team there and so I
Speaker 3: was there at like six in the morning, I was
Speaker 3: leaving at you know, probably seven o'clock at night, sometimes
Speaker 3: like even later. And then yeah, that that kind of
Speaker 3: I guess cultivating into the junior Wallabies role where I
Speaker 3: went over to Tabilisi in Eastern Europe, lived there for
Speaker 3: six weeks, well, the World Cup was on and a
Speaker 3: few changes happen at the Tars and then I got
Speaker 3: my first senior role in Strength and Power and then
Speaker 3: opportunity at end Swiss and then yeah, in regular leagues
Speaker 3: where I've.
Speaker 4: Kind of found my home for the last probably well
Speaker 4: almost five years.
Speaker 1: So saying, what's what's the value of having all those
Speaker 1: different experiences to draw upon? You think like, obviously you
Speaker 1: were as you mentioned there and I wasn't aware of
Speaker 1: that you were a bit older at the time, so
Speaker 1: you're probably coming with a bit more of a level ahead.
Speaker 1: You know, you know who you are as a person
Speaker 1: as well, which I think even from my own experience, mate,
Speaker 1: Like when you're a bit younger, bit ego driven, you
Speaker 1: want to do everything. You know, you sort of take
Speaker 1: everything really to heart and personally if you maybe make
Speaker 1: a mistake or anything like that. A bit older, you've
Speaker 1: got a bit of a different outlook on things. You're
Speaker 1: probably older than a lot of the players as well,
Speaker 1: or the same age, which really helps.
Speaker 4: That's important.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, Yeah, what's some of the big things
Speaker 1: you sort of took out of that, like from your perspective.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I think it goes back a little bit
Speaker 4: from that, Like before that.
Speaker 3: The reason I was a little bit older is because
Speaker 3: I was I was trying to be an athlete myself.
Speaker 4: I was I thought I was.
Speaker 3: Trying to make the Olygy Games as a fighter, as
Speaker 3: a boxer. That's kind of what I've seen. That's what
Speaker 3: I thought I was going to do. But I was
Speaker 3: just going to be a slight art until you know,
Speaker 3: pro the mid twenties. But that's what probably delayed my
Speaker 3: university and all that kind of stuff. So then when
Speaker 3: I did finally get that internship, I guess I related
Speaker 3: to a lot of the players, you know, from that
Speaker 3: quant of combat experience that I had and I could
Speaker 3: work with a lot of them in that kind of book,
Speaker 3: you know, that boxing space, and I could relate to them.
Speaker 4: And I think that that.
Speaker 3: Really really helped me in and around you know that
Speaker 3: kind of you know that that high test poster owe,
Speaker 3: you know, competitive men's kind of environment, because I could
Speaker 3: have my own there and and and I guess to
Speaker 3: answer your question around what all those different experiences do
Speaker 3: for me, Well, they I guess they give me versatility.
Speaker 3: Because when I was at for instance and so far
Speaker 3: was instituted of support, I was working with a lot
Speaker 3: of power athletes.
Speaker 4: So I had to really change the way I thought,
Speaker 4: change my approach.
Speaker 3: I couldn't just have this proble let's go, you know,
Speaker 3: you gotta guitar or whatever, like I had to. You know,
Speaker 3: some of those athletes that don't have use of their
Speaker 3: lower lins, if you mess them up in their upper body,
Speaker 3: their activities of vail and they didn't go down the drain.
Speaker 3: So I had to really be methodical with the way
Speaker 3: I coached things. And yeah, and I guess just working
Speaker 3: with a number of different personalities and both from the
Speaker 3: staff and athlete perspective, men, women, young, old, you know.
Speaker 4: Old school, new school. It's just given me and I'm
Speaker 4: still learning. I'm certainly still learning.
Speaker 3: But it's given me a really good, I guess foundation
Speaker 3: to be able to deal with different personalities and you know,
Speaker 3: get the most out of people because I think something
Speaker 3: that I can do really well.
Speaker 1: And that ties back into what you're saying before about relatability.
Speaker 1: Even with what you're doing now, right with the testing stuff,
Speaker 1: it all ties back in beautifully like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, I was the personal training before all
Speaker 3: of this, and I reckon that. Yeah, kicker, honestly, man,
Speaker 3: like that was one of the best things that ever
Speaker 3: be Running groups training people like that game is such
Speaker 3: an edge, such an inn you don't really we may
Speaker 3: have a bit too much pride as an industry sometimes
Speaker 3: to admit that, but that's fact to me.
Speaker 4: Like running it, running a group.
Speaker 3: Fitness session on the beach or a bosting class or whatever,
Speaker 3: Like when you've got like twenty thirty people that have
Speaker 3: all come from work and they've just been looking looking
Speaker 3: forward to this just to get it done and rip
Speaker 3: in and then you're just kind of that ball of
Speaker 3: energy for an hour and just know how to kind
Speaker 3: of contain a group and motivate a group like that.
Speaker 4: Study's an absolute goal.
Speaker 2: Couldn't agree more. I have we have a.
Speaker 1: What they called shooting placement in at the moment, and
Speaker 1: I was having a chat to it today around you
Speaker 1: know what it was like for me when I started out,
Speaker 1: and like, literally that was what I said to our
Speaker 1: personal training was where I started and sort of went
Speaker 1: through that a little bit and I explained it to it.
Speaker 1: She's like, oh, how does that help you for this?
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, you can talk to anybody,
Speaker 1: and you have to learn to talk to anybody. There's
Speaker 1: no there's nothing longer than a rest period of a minute,
Speaker 1: and you're not saying a word. That's like a microwave.
Speaker 1: They go forever. And I gave you the example. I
Speaker 1: gave the example of what one of my mornings used
Speaker 1: to look like. And it was a bit of a
Speaker 1: flashback thinking about even when you were saying that then.
Speaker 1: So in the morning, had had bar bells session for
Speaker 1: group lifting for middle aged women called barb bells barbellas
Speaker 1: that was the play on words.
Speaker 2: You know, you'd have five or six.
Speaker 1: It was not that day, So five or six middle
Speaker 1: aged women that were essentially more like a powerlifting block
Speaker 1: and that was awesome, you know. So they're in at
Speaker 1: five thirty till six thirty. Then at six six thirty
Speaker 1: I had a young fellow who was trying to lose
Speaker 1: weight and he was a gay man, and that was
Speaker 1: a different story. Again, you've got to be very different
Speaker 1: the way you talk to him. Then I would have
Speaker 1: an athlete come in. It's eight o'clock. It was trying
Speaker 1: to make Q Cup. Then at nine o'clock, I'd have
Speaker 1: an elderly couple who were a track coach. He is
Speaker 1: deaf as well, had hearing problems. So like all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, like in that space of four hours, the
Speaker 1: diversity that you've just gone through, Like you're not going
Speaker 1: to talk to the group of women the same way
Speaker 1: are going to speak to the elderly couple to the
Speaker 1: same We're going to speak like they're just different conversations.
Speaker 1: And you've got to learn to quit, like talk very
Speaker 1: quickly or you're in all sorts.
Speaker 3: Yeah I know, I know, Yeah, yeah mate, I couldn't.
Speaker 4: I could.
Speaker 3: You've just absolutely nailed that. Yeah, I couldn't agree with
Speaker 3: him more.
Speaker 4: And that can you imagine if athletes author.
Speaker 3: Already had a personal training course when well, I mean
Speaker 3: we're probably in a different age back in here, but
Speaker 3: when we're kind of starting personal training, like I would
Speaker 3: have just rocked on that absolutely.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: What I wanted to ask you is a bit of
Speaker 1: every leg fan, Yeah, cheers locks, you welcome. There's always
Speaker 1: a plug for him.
Speaker 2: Is mate.
Speaker 1: You've obviously, so you're at the sharky's now twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1: It's now twenty twenty four and you're at the Knights.
Speaker 1: That's a long time to be in in any industry,
Speaker 1: let alone a sport. What have been some of the
Speaker 1: biggest changes in the last ten years in the NRL?
Speaker 1: And this could be anything in regards to your roles,
Speaker 1: the physical demand of the players, like what what have
Speaker 1: you just noticed between then and now? That's just been
Speaker 1: the biggest biggest difference will change?
Speaker 4: Yeah, probably the sports science.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's probably for me, the biggest one.
Speaker 4: And I think.
Speaker 3: That's yeah, there's definitely a lot more reliance being placed
Speaker 3: on that.
Speaker 4: Again, at the moment, I think I could be.
Speaker 3: Off the market, but I feel like, you know, the
Speaker 3: two thousand and fifteen Sharks, when I was there, there
Speaker 3: was a lot of guys at the back end of
Speaker 3: their career, probably still from a little bit of that
Speaker 3: old school, just real tough like you look at your poor.
Speaker 2: Gallons or Michaelis those sort of guys.
Speaker 3: Michael Lenness, Yeah, Luke Lewis just like tough guys have
Speaker 3: just trained hard, like such real bloats. So funny you're
Speaker 3: playing tricks on each other, and I think, like, now there's.
Speaker 4: A lot more.
Speaker 3: Why are we doing Not in a bad way, but
Speaker 3: like people like athletes wanting to understand why they're doing something,
Speaker 3: how long they've got to do it, for, how much
Speaker 3: they did, How can I improve this? Like just really
Speaker 3: asking great questions. But it's just through this progression and
Speaker 3: development of sports science even more, I guess, and I
Speaker 3: think to an extent, like you hear the word load
Speaker 3: and all that kind of stuff spoken about a lot
Speaker 3: more in conversations with coaches and things like that through
Speaker 3: every club, not just through this club. So I think, like,
Speaker 3: I just think the acceptance of that and how it gets.
Speaker 4: Used is.
Speaker 3: A lot more I guess developed, But not to say
Speaker 3: that it governs everything that they do. I think there
Speaker 3: is still a big old school train, hard work, ethic mentality.
Speaker 3: Definitely in our club there is like our guys just
Speaker 3: mate seriously, they just get after it like it is.
Speaker 4: We have got some of the most like motivated, hungry.
Speaker 3: They're like hungry dogs when they train, but they just
Speaker 3: get after it's it's it's serious.
Speaker 4: I'll stand back sometimes a lot. Wow.
Speaker 3: So they're like guys who are still trying to make it.
Speaker 3: They look like a team that hasn't made it yet.
Speaker 3: But all the thought process behind the training and that
Speaker 3: that they're doing is just a lot in everything.
Speaker 4: It's just a lot more mostrotical, I think.
Speaker 3: And yeah, so to answer your question in a couple
Speaker 3: of words, it's probably the sports sides.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, what what do you think the biggest shift
Speaker 1: in the players mentality has been around that?
Speaker 4: Is it?
Speaker 1: Do you think that they they see that they want
Speaker 1: to have good longevity in the game?
Speaker 2: Is it, you know, their own personal ambition?
Speaker 1: Like what you sort of see as like a bit
Speaker 1: of a generalization across the board from the individuals because
Speaker 1: I think rugby rugby league contact based athletes. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe in the past I still looked at the dummies
Speaker 1: running into each other and whatnot, but really that's not
Speaker 1: the case.
Speaker 2: Like they're very educated, smart individuals.
Speaker 4: Mate, you cannot, you can no longer.
Speaker 3: Just you can't just say, oh, you know, footy players
Speaker 3: or whatever, they're They're not they are, they're they're just
Speaker 3: they're they're just asked.
Speaker 4: They that.
Speaker 3: They're all like we're all the same. They're just really
Speaker 3: a lot better at what they do than what we
Speaker 3: probably work. But I think the motivation is exactly that twofold.
Speaker 3: It's number one, it's the longevity. But they want to
Speaker 3: know how they can sustain their career for the longest
Speaker 3: period of time and be available every week and whatnot.
Speaker 4: But second to that, and probably more important than that,
Speaker 4: they want to.
Speaker 3: Know how they can get faster, stronger, bigger, more powerful.
Speaker 4: But they are just on a never ending pursuit of that.
Speaker 3: So the fact that we you know, I'm the strength
Speaker 3: of power coach, there's and I'll look after the speed
Speaker 3: as well, So you know, they fatal to me to
Speaker 3: be able to have, you know, answers in those areas.
Speaker 4: And I think you cannot, you can no longer.
Speaker 3: And I see you've already posting a lot of really
Speaker 3: good content around different program structors and whatnot, some of
Speaker 3: which I've definitely taken from. But you can no longer
Speaker 3: just give a one size pitch all approach, Like they
Speaker 3: need to feel like they're getting their their program individualized
Speaker 3: and they're getting better individually as well.
Speaker 4: So so I think I'll.
Speaker 3: Answered the question I think long longevity and just how
Speaker 3: they can perform better for sure.
Speaker 1: And just just bridging off that they're what you said
Speaker 1: there in the group environment. You know, you're obviously lucky
Speaker 1: in the professional setting more than some others. But even
Speaker 1: at a recreational level, when you've got one ks to
Speaker 1: a thirty athletes and you're trying to give them that
Speaker 1: individual attention, how do you find mind that you can
Speaker 1: deliver on that with maybe limited resources, if the younger
Speaker 1: coach listening to that be able to really deliver on Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to feel like I'm giving the athletes attention
Speaker 1: they deserve whilst understanding that hey, like it'd be impossible
Speaker 1: to stay up all night in program thir individual programs
Speaker 1: let alone have that gym environment, right.
Speaker 3: Oh mate, seriously, like I've and you know, I'll just
Speaker 3: I went to that question a little bit in directly. First,
Speaker 3: I'll give you an example, like I have seen teams
Speaker 3: be very successful doing just one program once I fits all.
Speaker 3: I've seen teams be really, really unsuccessful when a coach
Speaker 3: tries to do thirty different programs, so you need to
Speaker 3: be somewhere in the middle. I think the best way
Speaker 3: to do it, there's a lot of ways. The way
Speaker 3: I like to do it is just bucket it. I
Speaker 3: think we've heard lots of coaches talking about it. So
Speaker 3: if I had thirty guys, you know which I did it.
Speaker 3: I think I spending when I was an ent. Switch
Speaker 3: also looked after North Sydney the rugby union team old father.
Speaker 4: I just kind of bucketed.
Speaker 3: I said, those guys need to get bigger, those guys
Speaker 3: need to get stronger.
Speaker 4: So you guys are going to do air wraps and
Speaker 4: back or sets, and you guys.
Speaker 3: Are just going to lift heavy stuff lots and really
Speaker 3: simplify it that way, like you guys are doing size
Speaker 3: extras after every section, and you've got an extra section
Speaker 3: the day before a game, and you guys are you
Speaker 3: guys are doing more strength and power.
Speaker 4: Stuart and and it's just about then.
Speaker 3: Aside from that, you know, if you're in that environment,
Speaker 3: Aside from that, it's just having conversations saying.
Speaker 4: Hey, look mate, I've got you on.
Speaker 3: You need to get bigger, so we need you doing
Speaker 3: this is your diet sweet, and then you have a
Speaker 3: couple of meal plans you've got to you know, you
Speaker 3: might have a gainer's meal plan, you might have a maintainer's,
Speaker 3: and you might have a you know, a super's meal plan,
Speaker 3: you know like, and then you've got your your buckets,
Speaker 3: your service and everybody and everyone's happy. Everyone's trying to
Speaker 3: buying in. It's just that little touch point that creates
Speaker 3: a little bit of buy like.
Speaker 4: That's good.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, no, it's great. It's great advice. I think exactly
Speaker 1: what you said there. The more you can relate that
Speaker 1: to the athlete, even going right back to what we
Speaker 1: said there at the start, and it sort of comes
Speaker 1: right back to that, mate, the last question I got
Speaker 1: here for you, and this is again just as a
Speaker 1: bit of a fan and this is credit to you
Speaker 1: and obviously the team at the Knights today they actually
Speaker 1: brought out the ladder, the live ladder of teams with
Speaker 1: the most and the least amount of games misdeed injury
Speaker 1: this year. I think Newcastle was seventeen of eighteen, so
Speaker 1: that's obviously great as a club that you're obviously succeeding
Speaker 1: in that there by having the best players available for
Speaker 1: the most of the season. The game this year is
Speaker 1: obviously gone on new speed, and we're seeing some different injuries,
Speaker 1: some usual you know, your hammis being probably I guess
Speaker 1: quite unquote the usual ones, but some different ones like
Speaker 1: biceps has been big this year, PEX and obviously cancushion
Speaker 1: is still a big, big player from your perspective, again,
Speaker 1: probably you've got a larger bandwidth than a lot of
Speaker 1: other people in the last ten years. Anything that you've
Speaker 1: noticed in the game at that level this year that
Speaker 1: may have influenced some of that stuff, and even at
Speaker 1: a more grassroot level, things that coaches might be able
Speaker 1: to do to start potentially maybe minimizing or reducing some
Speaker 1: of those injuries at their level as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, look, I don't want to crowd in
Speaker 4: a narries on here.
Speaker 3: I'll just give my I guess opinion based off and
Speaker 3: you know what I see.
Speaker 4: Firstly, I didn't see that list, so that's pretty cool.
Speaker 4: I think of the.
Speaker 3: Three injuries we've got, two of them are breaks, So
Speaker 3: there's this a hole that you can do with a
Speaker 3: broken limb sometimes. But but yeah, so that's that's a
Speaker 3: positive for our whole, our whole organization. But look like
Speaker 3: I don't know the answer your question, and I don't
Speaker 3: want to give too many answers, but I think if
Speaker 3: you look at the game from the outside, there is
Speaker 3: no question about how much fast are and how much
Speaker 3: stronger and more dynamic athletes are. There is absolutely no
Speaker 3: question there. The second thing would be that there's there's
Speaker 3: obviously there's you know, I know, any our games there's
Speaker 3: been a really high amount of ball in play that
Speaker 3: could be chance, you know, I guess that could be
Speaker 3: skill level. There's no errors, people sticking to the rules, understanding.
Speaker 4: The rules a bit better.
Speaker 3: The six again has probably been a little bit more continuity. Again,
Speaker 3: that's not objective, that's just the way it feels.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, I think it's great.
Speaker 4: What do you think? What do you think?
Speaker 1: Without a doubt, it's the speed of the game, exactly
Speaker 1: what you said there. The time in play this year
Speaker 1: is is the highest it's ever been. The average intensity
Speaker 1: is the same as for a lot of the games
Speaker 1: have been like Origin level, which is just phenomenal, And
Speaker 1: the combination of everything you said there, like just how strong, fast,
Speaker 1: robust players are these days like things are going to
Speaker 1: break after all, no matter how good they are, And
Speaker 1: I think, unfortunately, you're just seeing the downsides of that.
Speaker 1: And I know the clubs are looking at trying to
Speaker 1: even rest players if they are having shorter turn arounds,
Speaker 1: if they are on sort of modified time frames around
Speaker 1: injuries and things like that.
Speaker 2: On the day, Mate, it's a contact based sport, things
Speaker 2: are going to happen.
Speaker 1: A lot of luck involved, and a lot of bad
Speaker 1: luck is involved as well. Yeah, they probably might be things, Mate,
Speaker 1: just to speed of the game. I think like Lox
Speaker 1: gives a really good example actually around AFL when he
Speaker 1: was at the Giants, they had a real change and
Speaker 1: they noticed a massive spike in injuries for say that
Speaker 1: first six months of that real change because the players
Speaker 1: hadn't adapted to the level yet. The following season, that
Speaker 1: injury spike to drop back down to basically normal, and
Speaker 1: then they bought it another rule change, and you sort
Speaker 1: of go through these ebbs and flows of real changes
Speaker 1: where it takes a bit of an adaptation period before
Speaker 1: the players can get used to it, and then they
Speaker 1: sort of get it used to it.
Speaker 2: That's just one perspective as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, mate, Yeah, I definitely agree. I couldn't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean yeah, it's a it's a it's a
Speaker 3: tough one. I'm sure some some really good data might
Speaker 3: come out at the end of the year. I'm sure
Speaker 3: there's smarter people than than us that are are definitely
Speaker 3: than me, definitely punching the numbers, and you might be
Speaker 3: able to point to something really meaningful at the end
Speaker 3: of the year that we can all kind of create
Speaker 3: interventions from or it might just feed the norm. Yeah,
Speaker 3: let's let's wait to see one hundred.
Speaker 2: Mate.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your time today. Obviously a
Speaker 1: wealth and knowledge there across what you what you're currently
Speaker 1: doing at the private facility with igh performed lab, some
Speaker 1: of your experience in professional sport, and obviously what you're
Speaker 1: doing there at the nights as well. Mate, So thank
Speaker 1: you for sharing your knowledge with all of us, for
Speaker 1: everyone who's listening and would maybe like to learn little
Speaker 1: bit more about what you're doing privately, but also to
Speaker 1: just following you along what you do a little bit
Speaker 1: as well. Where would be the best place for them
Speaker 1: to follow you?
Speaker 2: Mate?
Speaker 3: Oh mate, Well, first of thanks to you guys, I
Speaker 3: mean athletes will throw you guys are leading away, especially
Speaker 3: in our country with some of the content you guys
Speaker 3: are throwing out, and you know, just I know locking personally,
Speaker 3: he's if I've got a question, he is so open
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Speaker 3: it's it's you guys need to be recognized for the
Speaker 3: great job you guys are doing as well. If you
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Speaker 3: if I if I either Matthew joh Man undet back
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Speaker 1: And yeah, thanks mate, awesome, Thanks again, mate, and looking
Speaker 1: forward to continuing to see the excess of I Perform
Speaker 1: Lab and hopefully mate and you we make a good,
Speaker 1: strong run in the back end.
Speaker 2: Of the year as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's see.
Speaker 2: I thinks Cross not not as good as the roosters.
Speaker 2: That's the plane. Ah, good jeez, brother,