Speaker 1: I'll get at and welcome to another installment of the show.
Speaker 1: The show that is your favorite podcast. Well maybe maybe not,
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Speaker 1: And not only is it good because it's a good community,
Speaker 1: but David James, Kevin Patrick Gillespie writes articles and puts
Speaker 1: some of them up there for your perusal and cognitive
Speaker 1: and emotional and psychological digestion.
Speaker 2: Tiff High, Hi Phil, You're on fire today?
Speaker 1: The only Child? Pick the only Child? You know what?
Speaker 1: Last night?
Speaker 3: Hi David, Hey, how's it going, Graig?
Speaker 1: But thank you? Last night I did a workshop called
Speaker 1: pre Season twenty twenty five for anyway, just talking about
Speaker 1: getting our shit together in the next year, as we
Speaker 1: always do before the end of the current year that
Speaker 1: we're in. But I had I shouldn't say this, but
Speaker 1: fuck it. Whatever, little credibility I have left. I'm just
Speaker 1: going to say to the world. Every now and then,
Speaker 1: about once a month, I have a nicorette, two milligram
Speaker 1: nicorette because it just wow. So last night was the night,
Speaker 1: and I also had with me. I had a coffee
Speaker 1: and a coke, so I had double caffeine and nicotine.
Speaker 1: And I know a lot of my listeners are right
Speaker 1: now disappointed. I do not smoke, don't do drugs, don't
Speaker 1: do booze. But about once a month I have a
Speaker 1: two milligram nickeline.
Speaker 3: How could you fit the smoking and the booze in
Speaker 3: with all of that?
Speaker 1: I know, I know. Fuck. I was on fire. My
Speaker 1: brain was just it was just the only problem was
Speaker 1: at midnight, when I'm usually three hours into my slumber,
Speaker 1: it's fucking noz's to be seen. Do you sleep well?
Speaker 1: Go less bo ah?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Usually Do you have a particular you probably don't worry
Speaker 1: about it because you know that I reckon two things
Speaker 1: that we're going to get to the topic at hand.
Speaker 1: But I reckon two things that a lot of people
Speaker 1: don't think about because it doesn't affect them, but it
Speaker 1: does affect a lot of people. One is a lot
Speaker 1: of people don't sleep well, like I reckon maybe half
Speaker 1: the population. And the other less glamorous one is that
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't shit well. The amount of
Speaker 1: people that are constipated that I've worked with over the
Speaker 1: last forty years. TIF, do you do both of those well?
Speaker 3: TIF? For you comfortable with him revealing these things about.
Speaker 2: You, well, I notice that he's just gone straight to
Speaker 2: eat it for a public report of my bow movements
Speaker 2: quite regularly. Quite good sleep has always been a challenge woman,
Speaker 2: But I'm really I've really got on top of that
Speaker 2: over the recent times. What have you changed A strong
Speaker 2: bedtime routine. I've got to be quite good with that.
Speaker 2: I mean, just an early riser always. But if I
Speaker 2: don't wind down well and have a routine and get
Speaker 2: the I've got to be a nana. If if I'm
Speaker 2: not winding down before ten, it is party time in
Speaker 2: my brain until at least three am, wide awake.
Speaker 1: Well, don't do caffeine and nicotine before bed.
Speaker 2: Well, that's a hard note for me.
Speaker 3: It's hard.
Speaker 2: It's a lunch and I'm cut off there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: In general, avoid stimulants, I mean, nicotine and caffeine are
Speaker 3: obvious ones, but the ones people don't realize they're taking
Speaker 3: on the electronic ones. So you play computer games, you
Speaker 3: get on social media, you do some online gambling, all
Speaker 3: of those things.
Speaker 2: In short and the online gambling.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I know you quite know what
Speaker 3: we're talking about here, but you know, Craig might, you know,
Speaker 3: don't do porn either, just just before you go to sleep.
Speaker 3: It's all of these things give you a dopamine spike,
Speaker 3: and it's going to make it really hard for your
Speaker 3: brain to calm down.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I see a lot of is
Speaker 1: kids in the gym. Well, think about young Jamie at
Speaker 1: the gym, tiff nearly every time you see her, the
Speaker 1: Crabs kid. She walks into the gym every day with
Speaker 1: a red bull.
Speaker 2: I know, in the PM, in the PM.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she's not alone. And I'm not throwing her
Speaker 1: under the bus because I would say seventy eighty percent
Speaker 1: of the teenage kids that train in the gym they
Speaker 1: have some kind of stimulant before they train or after
Speaker 1: they train, or both very very and they have this
Speaker 1: thing that you may or may not have heard of.
Speaker 1: David called and I'm not being facetious. And there's a
Speaker 1: whole different, bloody plethora of them. But they call them
Speaker 1: pre workout drinks, and basically they're just stimulants, central nervous
Speaker 1: system stimulants.
Speaker 3: All right, So I can of coke, it's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but times four, so it might have instead of
Speaker 1: forty grams of caffeine, or have one hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: grams of caffeine. I mean, razy crazy amounts, but yeah,
Speaker 1: these and then I reckon the biggest consumers of those
Speaker 1: particular energy drinks are children. Well by that, I mean
Speaker 1: people are under twenty, you know, anyone speaking of junk food.
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Speaker 3: Just before we get to the first article, we're going
Speaker 3: to talk about coming back to the thing you said
Speaker 3: before about bowel movements and sleep. The common thing between
Speaker 3: those two is anxiety. So usually sleep disturbance is the
Speaker 3: first sign. Often the studies are showing probably two to
Speaker 3: three years prior to diagnosis, first sign of anxiety slash
Speaker 3: depression is sleep disturbance. Bowel movements is similarly associated with anxiety.
Speaker 3: So if you're seeing that, particularly in teenage children, so
Speaker 3: difficulties will sleep. Now with teenage children, when you say
Speaker 3: difficulties will sleep, it's not going to bit later, which
Speaker 3: their brains make them do any way, by virtual being
Speaker 3: a teenager, because there's a shift in the metabolic clock
Speaker 3: by about two hours during teenage of them, so they
Speaker 3: go to bed naturally two hours later than they did
Speaker 3: win prior to puberty. But if they have trouble staying
Speaker 3: asleep or getting to sleep sort of after eleven o'clock
Speaker 3: at night, then it could be a sign of anxiety
Speaker 3: and depression. This is important because of a story that
Speaker 3: was out today in the papers. I haven't written a
Speaker 3: piece about this one yet, Craig, but they found in
Speaker 3: this study three quarters of Victorian teenagers have diagnosable have
Speaker 3: had a diagnosable clinical anxiety or depression over the last
Speaker 3: eight years. Now three quarters of a teenage population sets
Speaker 3: a world record. There's no other study that shows that
Speaker 3: level of anxiety and depression in teenagers in the world.
Speaker 3: We are at the starting edge of a very, very
Speaker 3: big and we can come back and talk about that
Speaker 3: one in a little while. But I just thought i'd
Speaker 3: raise that because it connects those two things that you
Speaker 3: mentioned before.
Speaker 1: All Right, we'll circle back. But I'm very I don't
Speaker 1: know about that. I mean, I believe what you're saying,
Speaker 1: and I believe what was written, but I don't like
Speaker 1: that's the majority of children having diagnosable anxiety then anyway, eighty.
Speaker 3: Four percent of females between the ages of ten and
Speaker 3: eighteen in Victoria.
Speaker 1: Does that mean they have consistent anxiety it's a condition,
Speaker 1: or they're teenagers and every now and then they get
Speaker 1: anxious because that everyone.
Speaker 3: What they found was three distinct waves of its three
Speaker 3: annual occurrences in that age group ten to eighteen year
Speaker 3: olds that were met the criteria for clinical diagnosis. So
Speaker 3: not just a bit worried, but clinical diagnosis of anxiety. Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what the solution is to that.
Speaker 3: Obviously there is a solution, take all the devices away.
Speaker 3: That's easy. Do you reckon It's only that I think
Speaker 3: that's the majority of it. I mean, there's some other
Speaker 3: things laid in on that, because the other thing that
Speaker 3: causes the same response in the brain is not just addiction.
Speaker 3: Remember there's also uncertainty. Well, uncertainty magnifies both addiction and danger.
Speaker 3: But there's danger, and danger can be in the form
Speaker 3: of addictive things, so like gambling apps that simulate danger,
Speaker 3: or gaming apps that simulate danger, or it can be
Speaker 3: in the form of chronic stress, like a family that
Speaker 3: isn't sure whether there's going to be enough money to
Speaker 3: pay the rent every week, or the COVID nineteen shut
Speaker 3: down and lockdown things created enormous amounts of chronic stress.
Speaker 3: But that research tried to adjust for COVID in these
Speaker 3: numbers and found that it couldn't be a tribut to COVID.
Speaker 3: So whilst it may well have had a contributory effect,
Speaker 3: and all of those lockdown things could have contributed to it,
Speaker 3: they said it was there before that happened, So that
Speaker 3: tells you it's something much much earlier that's been going
Speaker 3: on noting that we've only had really access to social media,
Speaker 3: online gambling, online gaming, and ready access to pornography probably
Speaker 3: only the last fourteen years to teenagers. So it's those
Speaker 3: kids that we're starting to see the results from.
Speaker 1: Just we'll come back straight away. But I remember about
Speaker 1: three months ago or four months ago, you were talking
Speaker 1: about this TV show called Friday Night Lights and how
Speaker 1: the first season was two thousand and eight, and I
Speaker 1: think the last season, which is season five, was two
Speaker 1: thousand and twelve or thirteen something like that. It's five seasons,
Speaker 1: and then in between season one and season five was
Speaker 1: the advent of smart. But I'm both happy with you
Speaker 1: and mad at you because I've watched all five seasons now.
Speaker 3: And you enjoy it.
Speaker 1: I did it. It's just like this simple little like
Speaker 1: it's it's about football everyone, but it's not. It's about
Speaker 1: this town and this coach and this family and the players,
Speaker 1: and it's very much like a sociological exploration of relationships
Speaker 1: and connection and adversity. And but I liked it because
Speaker 1: it's not I don't like watching things that are scary,
Speaker 1: like like I don't mind a bit of like action
Speaker 1: and like war movies or that stuff that's like horror
Speaker 1: and stuff that you know, puts my blood pressure through
Speaker 1: the roof and then I can't fucking sleep. I like
Speaker 1: watching things that are nice to watch.
Speaker 3: But the thing about this show, I mean, it's not
Speaker 3: Gilmore Girls, right, so it's not that nice to watch.
Speaker 3: Is what they tend to do in that show, and
Speaker 3: I think they do it really, really well, is those teenagers.
Speaker 3: And it's about kids who are you know, sort of
Speaker 3: grade twelve age in high school. Those teenagers do just
Speaker 3: about everything wrong, like they you know, one of them
Speaker 3: gets pregnant, they're experimenting with drugs, they're driving illegally, they're
Speaker 3: stealing alcohol, even someone a little more criminal than that.
Speaker 3: And what's great about it is that it shows you
Speaker 3: the things that were dangerous before kids had phones and
Speaker 3: didn't need to bother All of those all of those
Speaker 3: things now have about halved or less in incidents since
Speaker 3: the advent of smartphones. So risk taking, real world risk taking,
Speaker 3: has half. There's much less team pregnancy, much less public drunkenness,
Speaker 3: much less dangerous activity, much less law breaking. But the
Speaker 3: reason is because the kids are all in their bedrooms
Speaker 3: addicted to their devices, and the damage there is much
Speaker 3: more severe because now it's not a few adventurous kids
Speaker 3: who do that, and in that show, there's a couple
Speaker 3: or two or three that are always doing the wrong
Speaker 3: thing and everyone else is pretty much okay. Now it's
Speaker 3: everybody all the time using addictive devices. And what we're
Speaker 3: seeing is that fly through because if people say, oh, well,
Speaker 3: so what keep them busy? Shuts them up. That's what
Speaker 3: you want from teenagers, except when it results in seventy
Speaker 3: five percent of them having diagnosable anxiety.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But like when I said to you, what's the solution,
Speaker 1: you said, get rid of the devices, which theoretically, but
Speaker 1: we know that's not going to happen. So what's the
Speaker 1: solu Well.
Speaker 3: The solution is call them out for what they are.
Speaker 3: Name them so it's not the device, it's two or three,
Speaker 3: three or four apps explicitly designed to addict humans that
Speaker 3: are on those devices. Call them out, name them, ban them.
Speaker 1: Well, I wonder if that's going to happen. And of course,
Speaker 1: Victoria was I think the first state in the world
Speaker 1: or to ban social media for kids under sixteen, and
Speaker 1: that made kind of global headlines. So I don't know.
Speaker 3: But the thing about that is people always say, ah,
Speaker 3: that's not going to work that, you know they you know,
Speaker 3: you've ever seen kids who want to get to something,
Speaker 3: They'll get they'll find a way, and they will. But
Speaker 3: that law makes the conversation at the breakfast table a
Speaker 3: hell of a lot easier for a parent if they can
Speaker 3: say no, you're not doing it because it's against the law, yes,
Speaker 3: rather than all day arguing about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, speaking of things
Speaker 1: that are not good for us, So you wrote or
Speaker 1: you posted an article about ultra processed foods and foods
Speaker 1: that are high in seed oils and the potential relationship
Speaker 1: with colon cancer.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So I don't like the term ultraprocessed foods. That's
Speaker 3: the term the article used. I don't like it because
Speaker 3: just about everything we eat fits the definition of ultra
Speaker 3: processed food. I mean, if you didn't pick the apple yourself,
Speaker 3: or you chop up the cow yourself, then it's probably
Speaker 3: pretty ultra processed. So the but the point about this
Speaker 3: study and the reason I posted it is for a
Speaker 3: long time I've been banging on. I wrote a book
Speaker 3: about this in I don't know twenty fourteen, called Toxic
Speaker 3: Oils and There was a follow up a few years later,
Speaker 3: and I've written a few other books about it too.
Speaker 3: But the evidence has always been a little bit inferential
Speaker 3: in the sense that it suggests that there's a problem,
Speaker 3: it suggests there's a link to cancer, it suggests this
Speaker 3: is probably not a good idea, but there hasn't been
Speaker 3: loads of high quality studies linking these things. Now I've
Speaker 3: made the linkages in my books and said there's enough
Speaker 3: evidence there for us to call this one okay. On
Speaker 3: the precautionary principle, we should be really really careful about
Speaker 3: putting this stuff in our food supply, particularly in the
Speaker 3: kinds of quantities we are. So what are we talking about.
Speaker 3: We're talking about everything that you know. They're commonly called
Speaker 3: seed oils. A lot of your listeners might know them
Speaker 3: as vegetable oils because that's how they're labeled on the packs.
Speaker 3: So this is canola, sunflower oil, soybean oil, cottonseed oil,
Speaker 3: grape seed oil, rice brand oil, all those sorts of things.
Speaker 3: They're very, very high in something called a mega six fats.
Speaker 3: And I've said for a while and many other people
Speaker 3: have too, our bodies aren't built for that level of
Speaker 3: amiga six fats. Omega six is are the pro inflammatory fats,
Speaker 3: so amiga three people often know amiga three fish oils
Speaker 3: and so on as being anti inflammatory. Well, the anti
Speaker 3: inflammatory that the omiga three is fighting is the information
Speaker 3: caused by the amega six. So we have a lot
Speaker 3: of these in our diet now. All the fast food restaurants,
Speaker 3: I mean McDonald's in Australia switched in two thousand and
Speaker 3: four from animal fat to these things. I think they
Speaker 3: use canola. All the rest of them followed, and the
Speaker 3: last I think to fall was KFC in twenty twelve
Speaker 3: when they switched over to canola from their palm oil
Speaker 3: I think is what they were using, which is fine.
Speaker 3: So it's now everywhere anything fried in anything is fried
Speaker 3: in these oils. If you look at the fat on
Speaker 3: the label of any food on a supermarket shelf, it's
Speaker 3: going to be one of these oils, often just ascribed
Speaker 3: as vegetable oil. They don't tell exactly what it is.
Speaker 3: But it is now getting to the point. I know
Speaker 3: you're desperate for me to eventually find a point in
Speaker 3: all of this. This study is the interesting thing. It.
Speaker 3: This study nails it. What they did was they analyzed
Speaker 3: colon cancer, so they analyzed the tunas the tuners, no
Speaker 3: fish were involved. They analyzed the tumors of sufferers of
Speaker 3: colon cancer and they found excessive quantities of Amiga six fats,
Speaker 3: and they also found a mechanism to explain it. They
Speaker 3: found that the Omega six fats encouraged the tumor growth
Speaker 3: and suppressed the anti anti tumor activity that the body
Speaker 3: naturally had.
Speaker 1: Okay, hit the brakes, just say that, I know what
Speaker 1: you said, but just say that last bit again. What
Speaker 1: did they find?
Speaker 3: They found that the Amiga six fats in these tumors
Speaker 3: encouraged the tumor growth and suppressed the body's natural defenses
Speaker 3: against it back. And the reason this is important is
Speaker 3: if you look at the statistics on colorectal cancer or
Speaker 3: call on cancer, whatever you want to call it, colorectal
Speaker 3: cancer in the United States and in Australia, it's now
Speaker 3: the second biggest killer, second biggest killer behind lung cancer,
Speaker 3: by the way, which we can talk about another day,
Speaker 3: which is an interesting one all on its own because
Speaker 3: nobody smokes anymore. But we'll come back to that one.
Speaker 3: But this is now the second biggest killer, and if
Speaker 3: you look at people under the age of fifty, it
Speaker 3: is growing exponentially and there is no explanation for this
Speaker 3: from the scientific consensus. So if you look at the
Speaker 3: Australian statistics and look at people under forty in Australia
Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty two, there are eleven point seven people
Speaker 3: per one hundred thousand. Now sorry, there were three point
Speaker 3: seven people one hundred thousand. Now there are eleven point
Speaker 3: seven p hundred thousand. So it is tripled in that
Speaker 3: period of time. Now, for anything to triple, I mean
Speaker 3: we want it going backwards. I mean got flat to
Speaker 3: backwards is what we're aiming for here. With cancer tripled
Speaker 3: in people under forty is terrible, absolutely terrible, and that
Speaker 3: the scientific community has no explanation for that is even worse.
Speaker 3: These guys have found an explanation. It's an explanation that's
Speaker 3: been there for a while in books like the ones
Speaker 3: I wrote, and other people are speculated about it and said,
Speaker 3: hang on, why are cancers that are anywhere along the
Speaker 3: digestive tracked going bananas in younger people Because it's not
Speaker 3: just colorect or this thyroid cancer et cetera et cetera,
Speaker 3: and I have connected dots and others have to and said,
Speaker 3: it's the Amiga six fats. We've introduced massive count it
Speaker 3: is of them into our diet. They are pro cancer elements.
Speaker 3: That's what's causing this. This study puts a pin in
Speaker 3: it and says, actually we think it might all right,
Speaker 3: I just want to.
Speaker 1: Okay, great, So now some people are listening to this
Speaker 1: and they're a bit terrified, which is not the worst thing.
Speaker 1: So just while we're in this moment of improved awareness
Speaker 1: around this, and again, remember everyone, this is just people talking.
Speaker 1: This is not a prescription. But just tell people. I
Speaker 1: know we've done it a few times, but there'll be
Speaker 1: people who've never heard of you and this will be
Speaker 1: their first time with you. And there'll be people who
Speaker 1: have heard this list before, but forget it. So what
Speaker 1: is on the acceptable, what's on the David Gillespie yes
Speaker 1: list in terms of oils, and what's on the no list?
Speaker 3: Okay, So what we're aiming for here is you need
Speaker 3: fat in your diet. No fat, no diet, right, so
Speaker 3: you need adding your diet. But what you want to
Speaker 3: aim for is fats that are very very low in
Speaker 3: these Amiga six fats. So now they come from one place,
Speaker 3: which is plants. In the modern industrial diet, they come
Speaker 3: from things labeled as vegetable oils. No vegetables were harmed
Speaker 3: in their construction. They actually come from seeds. So the
Speaker 3: things you want to avoid are fats that come from seeds.
Speaker 3: So we're talking about canola, sunflower, grape seed, rice brand,
Speaker 3: a lot of the nuts based ones like almonds and
Speaker 3: so on. Those are things that you've got to avoid
Speaker 3: because they in general tend to be high in Amiga
Speaker 3: six fats.
Speaker 1: What about whole almonds versus just because somebody on the
Speaker 1: call eats almonds every day.
Speaker 3: Whole almonds are okay. You've just got to be careful
Speaker 3: how many you eat. And I published a table in
Speaker 3: one of my books that actually calculated how many could
Speaker 3: eat and not exceed the allowance of a Mega six fats.
Speaker 3: I'll shoot it through you after the show and you
Speaker 3: can put it up if you want, but it's I
Speaker 3: can't remember what the number was for almonds, but all
Speaker 3: of them were sort of reasonable numbers. You could eat
Speaker 3: reasonable numbers as long as you know they weren't the
Speaker 3: primary constituent of your meal. Every day, then you're probably
Speaker 3: okay because you're eating a lot of other stuff besides
Speaker 3: the fat. When you're chomping through whole arments, when you
Speaker 3: grind them, when you grind them up and use them
Speaker 3: as flour and everything you cork, or when you turn
Speaker 3: them into a paste and spread them in on everything,
Speaker 3: then that's a different thing altogether. So I'll send you that, but.
Speaker 1: Just quick, sorry, just quickly, because I try to think,
Speaker 1: if I'm a listener, what do I want to ask?
Speaker 1: So I'm guessing regular peanut butter, I mean regular peanut
Speaker 1: butter off the shelf at Safeway and more worse, doesn't
Speaker 1: get the tick.
Speaker 3: It depends a lot on the brand, is what I found.
Speaker 3: Like when you actually do the analysis of the data
Speaker 3: they are forced to put on the label, and I
Speaker 3: have done that, it really depends a lot on the brand.
Speaker 3: So some brands are okay, others are not. And it's
Speaker 3: because many of them don't use actual peanuts.
Speaker 1: They use.
Speaker 3: I don't know what the term they use for it is,
Speaker 3: but basically deconstituted peanut powder and then they reconstitute it
Speaker 3: with other fats. So if you careful, if you have
Speaker 3: a look at the label, and it just says the
Speaker 3: ingredients are peanuts. You're probably good, but have a close
Speaker 3: look at the label. Don't make assumptions about what these
Speaker 3: things are made out of. Just because I said peanuts
Speaker 3: on the front doesn't mean that's what it's made of.
Speaker 3: So yeah, look, be careful with peanuts their borderline. Things
Speaker 3: that aren't borderline.
Speaker 1: Tell us what okay on the to do that on
Speaker 1: the the okay list. So we know, butter, I think lard,
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 3: Anything from an animal. So all animal fats are fine.
Speaker 3: So but lard, tallow rendered, beef, rendered, you know, any
Speaker 3: All animal fats are fine.
Speaker 1: What about the what about the crackling that I'm going
Speaker 1: to eat off the pig at chrissy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look it's it's it's okay. Pig fat is a
Speaker 3: bit of a problem in Australia because I think it's
Speaker 3: around ninety percent of our peaks are raised in you know,
Speaker 3: industrial form, not on they're not free range, and and
Speaker 3: those ones are fed a lot of grain, and because
Speaker 3: they're omnivores, that grain contains a lot of Amiga six
Speaker 3: and it ends up in their fat as a Mega
Speaker 3: six fat. So so this is the only point where
Speaker 3: I agree with standard Heart Foundation advice, which is, if
Speaker 3: you're going to eat pig like in bacon or pork
Speaker 3: of any description, trimmer take the fat off because that fat,
Speaker 3: if it's you know, if it's far if it's not
Speaker 3: free range, that fat probably contains a large amount of
Speaker 3: a Mega six fat. And in Australia, if it doesn't
Speaker 3: explicitly say it's free range, it's not, because most pork
Speaker 3: in Australia is not free range. Pigs, by the way,
Speaker 3: if left to their own devices, don't eat grain. They
Speaker 3: roam around, they eat a lot of things, but they
Speaker 3: don't go and choose to eat grain. But far you know,
Speaker 3: the battery pigs or whatever they're called, they're given a
Speaker 3: lot of grain. So to be avoided eat still eat
Speaker 3: the pork, chop the fat off, and if you're going
Speaker 3: to eat crackling, do it once a year. I would
Speaker 3: have thought is probably reasonable advice. But coming back, so,
Speaker 3: animal fats in general though, are pretty good any kind
Speaker 3: of beef milk, but anything from a cow is going
Speaker 3: to be good because ruminants like cows and goats and
Speaker 3: sheep actually don't store a mega six fats in any
Speaker 3: serious quantity. So you don't even have to worry about
Speaker 3: the fat on those animals. No matter how much people
Speaker 3: might tell you you've got to have you know, fast
Speaker 3: raised or you know, all that sort of nonsense, it
Speaker 3: doesn't really matter with ruminants. Now, if we talk about
Speaker 3: people say, oh, yeah, great, but I'm a vegan or
Speaker 3: a vegetarian and I don't I can't eat all that stuff.
Speaker 3: What can I eat? The answer is there are some
Speaker 3: that feed into there. So there's a couple of fats
Speaker 3: that mimic the fat profile of animal fat, So palm oil,
Speaker 3: coconut oil, and they're they're they're fine. They actually look
Speaker 3: when you're doing an analysis of them, they have rough for
Speaker 3: the same analysis as animal fat. No concern with those.
Speaker 3: There's an in between category which I call fruit oils,
Speaker 3: which are also I would say fine as long as
Speaker 3: you're not eating vast quantities of them. So these are
Speaker 3: fruit oil. So this is olive oil, for example, is
Speaker 3: a fruit oil. Avocado oil is another fruit oil. And
Speaker 3: there's one nut oil which is absolutely fine for some reason,
Speaker 3: macadamia nut oil, which WHI has a fat profile very
Speaker 3: very similar to animal fat.
Speaker 1: Now, Tiff, I'm guessing from the screwed up look on
Speaker 1: your face. There's not going to be a lot of
Speaker 1: pork crackling going down your gob over the next week.
Speaker 2: Definitely not. And I feel sad for the little peace.
Speaker 2: It made me feel sad thinking of the poor little bit.
Speaker 1: It's just that is It is sad. That is the
Speaker 1: That is how a lot of farming works there is.
Speaker 1: It is not a I don't want to be a downer,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's not a great existence. What okay, you
Speaker 1: know what's interesting, David? I mean, all of this is fascinating,
Speaker 1: but like it's literally it's literally been flipped. Like we
Speaker 1: the last twenty years, we've been told, you know, time
Speaker 1: and time and time again, no animal fats, like avoid
Speaker 1: animal fats like that. It's like that's what's going to
Speaker 1: kill you, animal fats, And you're going, no, fuck that.
Speaker 1: There're the ones that are going to say, like, it's
Speaker 1: not only is it have we been misinformed? We've been
Speaker 1: you know, if you're accurate and these people are accurate,
Speaker 1: which I believe you are and they are, is just
Speaker 1: my thoughts. Everyone, then we've actually been told the opposite
Speaker 1: of what is true.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And thinking about the time frame it was in
Speaker 3: the early eighties that they started telling us that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and from that point these statistics have gone crazy on
Speaker 3: cancer incidents. So and it's all well and good. You know,
Speaker 3: people will say, oh, correlation does an equal causation. You
Speaker 3: don't know what you're talking about, Gillespie. Sure, But then
Speaker 3: you see studies like this starting to hit the press saying, actually,
Speaker 3: we've done the digging, we've done the analysis, and it
Speaker 3: looks like this could be true. You know that to me,
Speaker 3: says Okay, now you really do need to step back,
Speaker 3: because now it's not just a theory, it being shown
Speaker 3: to be implicated in the development of cancer.
Speaker 1: Mm hm hmm. Yeah. Tip you eat. You're a carnival,
Speaker 1: aren't you.
Speaker 2: I'm omnivore. Yeah, yeah, I do love a steak. And
Speaker 2: you know what, I really love Christmas ham.
Speaker 3: You know that comes from little piggies too.
Speaker 2: No, what a dichotomy.
Speaker 1: Listen to you, which do you feel a little bit?
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to. I just I feel like you
Speaker 1: must be a little bit conflicted because you're such an
Speaker 1: animal lover.
Speaker 3: It does it does?
Speaker 2: I feel like if I did go down the rabbit hole,
Speaker 2: it would affect Someone was talking about cooking duck the
Speaker 2: other day, and I was in my mind assessing my
Speaker 2: difference with thinking of little ducky how call of ducks.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, you can't make a duck stew.
Speaker 2: Leave them alone, And then I think about the poor chickens.
Speaker 1: Like, you know, what's funny is how we anthropomorphs animals
Speaker 1: and we we rationalize. It's like we can rationalize eating tuna,
Speaker 1: which is a thing that swims around the ocean. But
Speaker 1: imagine if we I said, you know, I'm having dolphin
Speaker 1: for dinner, people would be like fucking hysterical. You go, well,
Speaker 1: it's just another thing in the ocean, and yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: but it's cute and smart and so all right, so
Speaker 1: if it's ugly and dumb, we can eat it. But
Speaker 1: if it's cute and smart, you know. And I'm not
Speaker 1: recommending anything, but it is just funny the stories that
Speaker 1: we like. Whatever we do, we rationalize it.
Speaker 3: Well, no one ever made a show about a tuna
Speaker 3: called Flipper or something exactly.
Speaker 1: That's my point. That's my You know, there is a
Speaker 1: book this I think it was called Tubby Tubby Tuna.
Speaker 1: Oh No, maybe I'm wrong, I do. I think there was,
Speaker 1: but yeah, you're right. It's like, do you know that
Speaker 1: people overseas are horror fired that Australians eat kangaroo?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely, Look I lived in Germany for a little
Speaker 3: while and they were really horrified at the thought that
Speaker 3: we would and that we had to cull them, and
Speaker 3: so even worse than eating them was killing them and
Speaker 3: not eating them. Yeah. No, they're very horrified because they're
Speaker 3: so cute.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. We were going to do more, but we're
Speaker 1: going to let you off the hook because that was
Speaker 1: a solid.
Speaker 3: Seventy minutes and go as always, banging on forever about things.
Speaker 1: Always good mate. I've got a question or two to
Speaker 1: ask you off air, so stick around. But for now, mate,
Speaker 1: we we appreciate you. Thank you so much for everything
Speaker 1: you do. I know that I don't know if you
Speaker 1: enjoy it or not. I think you do a little bit.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't do it if I didn't.
Speaker 1: I think you tolerate it more than celebrate it. But
Speaker 1: you just feel sorry for me and Tiff. Thanks mate,
Speaker 1: We appreciate you. Thanks for everything that you've done this
Speaker 1: year and maybe I have a great Chrissy with the
Speaker 1: fam and a great new year here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, same to you. Guys, Thanks Mate, Thanks DEEV, Thanks boys,
Speaker 3: No talk for you.