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Speaker 1: The big footy issues from every angle, dissected by a

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Speaker 1: team that follows the game closer than anyone else wherever

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Speaker 1: you are around the planet. This is your ultimate guide

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Speaker 1: to the AFL. This is the Fox Footy Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Three rounds into the AFL season and it is official.

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Speaker 2: The downward spiral of West Coast is over and the

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Speaker 2: bounce back is here. The rebuild has finally moved with

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Speaker 2: a green arrow in place. Inspiring performance against West Coast

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Speaker 2: against Port Adelaide. Have I moved into the realms of

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Speaker 2: reporter to supporter? Yes, I have. Welcome to the Fox

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Speaker 2: Footy Podcast. I'm your s Drew Jones, Max Lawton is

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Speaker 2: with us and Jack Jobnowski. Gentlemen, the Eagles are back.

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Speaker 2: The powerhouse from the West has returned.

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Speaker 3: What is it like to support the twenty twenty six premiers, Drew,

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Speaker 3: It must have been thralling sort of weekend for you.

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Speaker 2: It feels good. I've booked out my weekend with tattoo appointments.

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Speaker 2: We've got merchandise shopping and trying to lock in these

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Speaker 2: Grand Final tickets for the entire family. Nice and early.

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Speaker 3: I say I'd get a parade spot. Now it's going

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Speaker 3: to be really busy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Nice, nice, Well we've got the AFL accreditation so

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Speaker 2: we can kind of see the track way. Yeah, there

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Speaker 2: are perks to this job, but gentlemen, great to be

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Speaker 2: with you, and a great weekend for Eagles fans. It

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Speaker 2: must be said. That's why we're starting here, and of

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Speaker 2: course we're in victorious. We need to give love to,

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Speaker 2: you know, all the other states in this.

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Speaker 3: We're making up for pass bias by doing this. It's

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Speaker 3: only fair.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Jack's all weekend, true.

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Speaker 4: Good, so good. I was watching that Port West Coast game, Drew,

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Speaker 4: How were those final few minutes for you as as

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Speaker 4: put Adelaide mounted a barnswamping comeback.

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Speaker 2: No, when we missed a few shots at goal in

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Speaker 2: the four, sorry, when West Coast missed a few shots

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Speaker 2: later games. Yes, I actually sort of prepared myself for

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Speaker 2: the inevitable Port Adelaide late goal that would accompany the game.

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Speaker 2: But in the back of my mind I was at

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Speaker 2: the elimination finally twenty seventeen, and we got away with

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Speaker 2: so I was like, maybe there's some sort of you know,

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Speaker 2: evening up process. That's going on in this game. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: it was the young players again showing they've they've definitely

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Speaker 3: Very exciting times. I went to the movies. I saw

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Speaker 3: that new space movie Project Hail Mary. That was all right,

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Speaker 3: Ryan Gosling, Yes, thank you, tell you what. It was

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Speaker 3: made by the people who made The Martian. And if

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Speaker 3: you like The Martian, you'll watch Project Hail Mary and go,

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Speaker 3: oh it's like The Martian because that is the same movie.

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Speaker 5: Is that a good thing?

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Speaker 3: I like The Martians? So yeah, okay, enjoyable, underrated?

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Speaker 2: Oh is it underrated? It's a good film.

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Speaker 3: I think you forget if people forget about it, like

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Speaker 3: I like the I'm a big space movie guy, and

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Speaker 3: like those. It's like modern Star Trek where Star Trek

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Speaker 3: doesn't exist anymore because no one's optimistic about the future. Understandably,

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Speaker 3: Star Trek is all optimism and this is all Hey,

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Speaker 3: those movies.

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Speaker 2: So what's the best space movie of all time?

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Speaker 3: Interstellar?

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Speaker 2: And it's by some margin, it's pretty just.

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Speaker 3: I've watched that like three or four times on planes.

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Speaker 3: That's a perfect plane movie. I find I don't know

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Speaker 3: why really works for me. Great film, great film, footy.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk footy.

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Speaker 2: I'm keen, So we're going to start off with something

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Speaker 2: a bit different here. Who would you rather be?

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Speaker 5: So?

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Speaker 2: This is not our segment that has just been It's

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Speaker 3: No, we didn't steal it from Fireball at all. What

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Speaker 2: I would never suggest that we would do such a thing.

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Speaker 2: So let's take what we've learned from the first three

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Speaker 2: So to win the twenty twenty six premiership, we're starting here,

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Speaker 2: Adelaide or Collingwood.

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Speaker 3: I'd rather be Adelaide just I think Adelaide has clear problems.

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Speaker 3: We saw it against Gelong. That first quarter was the

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Speaker 3: most Geelong game possible in Geelong where you just can't

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Speaker 3: get it out of your D fifty. But I think

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Speaker 3: those are problems that they have in terms of ball use.

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Speaker 3: They need players back, they have some obviously injuries really

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Speaker 3: so there's a chance of that happening. But I just

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Speaker 3: don't think the pies of the ceiling that Adelaide does.

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Speaker 4: I think I'd comfortably be Adelaide comfortably, yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 4: I don't think there was like the ball us thing

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Speaker 4: Coming out of that game against you Long, I thought

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Speaker 3: Congwood having said that, I am worried that the game

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Speaker 3: kicking rather than moving the ball by hand. That is

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Speaker 3: the way that the best teams right now are playing,

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Speaker 3: and they are very much not that. This was discussed

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Speaker 3: we know they can finish on top despite this. But

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Speaker 3: maybe that's a bigger issue in this year's footy.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we'll learn a lot about Adelaide this season

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Speaker 2: because they don't have the luxury of the more favorable

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Speaker 2: know that's all old fashion stuff you can't really measure

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Speaker 2: Collingwood I think get better as the year goes on,

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Speaker 2: Brody my Check, no Bobby Hell. Like we've already spoken

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Speaker 2: about this two weeks ago. They're still working through what

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Speaker 2: I thought Oscar Steen was great, so we're all going Adelaide.

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking also Adelaide. So Adelaide or Geelong. How much

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Speaker 2: does Thursday Night play into this decision?

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Speaker 3: I came out of that. There's two I have two

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Speaker 3: different ways of looking that, Dame. One of them is

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Speaker 3: out of that go and going, oh god, they're so frustrating.

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Speaker 3: The midfield is not amazing. The defense looks like you

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Speaker 3: and that says that Geelong should have won that game

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Speaker 3: by about ten goals. Geelong actually kicked I think eight

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Speaker 3: It's a really big margin and it says that Gelong

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Speaker 3: played a lot better than it looked like on the scoreboard.

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Speaker 3: So I want to believe that Geelong, based on those numbers,

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Speaker 3: That feels like one of those twenty seventeen stylecats where

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Speaker 3: they got pumped by Richmond, win the semi final against

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Speaker 4: I'd rather be Geelong, yes, but I do think that comparatively,

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Speaker 4: there's there'll be more.

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Speaker 5: Again, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: This isn't really tangible, but more hunger from an Adelaide

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Speaker 4: perspective compared to Geelong. Given Geelong, you got close to

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Speaker 4: the execution thing is real too, which is what Chris

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Speaker 4: Scott admitted post game as well. I think this is

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Speaker 4: much like this is a close one. This is hard

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Speaker 4: for me to decide. I do think Adelaide at their

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Speaker 5: I think the ball.

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Speaker 4: Moven stuff can be changed. I think it's also a

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Speaker 4: and more conservative or circumstance a sort of game plan potentially. Yes,

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Speaker 4: I feel like at their height and you saw a

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Speaker 2: Well, you talked about this and I was going to

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Speaker 2: say before you made the point, is it Geelong are

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Speaker 2: a professional preliminary final team. They're built to make prelims.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't mean they have the quality necessarily win them or

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Speaker 2: win a flag. But there's also a part of me

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Speaker 2: that thinks, if you're good enough to get to a prelim,

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Speaker 2: then let the cards fall. Anything can happen, right, So

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Speaker 2: in my mind, this Gelong team is still a prelim

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Speaker 2: final threat and I don't know if Adelaide in those

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Speaker 2: areas remains to be seen. Two full strength teams Adelaide

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't be shocked if Adelaide won that game because

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Speaker 2: they've got a lot of weapons. But Geelong are still

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Speaker 2: they win six out of ten of those matchups. I'm

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Speaker 2: just leaning slightly towards Geelong here.

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Speaker 3: I'm just impressed that we've fixtured a Saturday afternoon prelim.

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Speaker 3: This is very exciting.

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Speaker 2: Well, we love a Saturday afternoon fixture at the mcg

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Speaker 3: And despite that result, I would pick Fremantle. I it's

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Speaker 3: And how was that as a as a fan experience?

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Speaker 4: Terrific stuff? Would you have really enjoyed the first half.

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Speaker 4: And then but the thing from a Freemantle perspective which

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Speaker 4: which I don't know if we've seen that consistently enough

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Speaker 4: It was completely dominant and just the kind of you know,

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Speaker 3: Why is David Zena interrupting us? David's what do you want?

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Speaker 2: He's also been stiff and in sort of weirdly.

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Speaker 3: Then I would say, menacingly staring.

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Speaker 2: In What's what's the movie where you stare? They stare Gremlins?

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Speaker 3: Yeh, don't feed him up to midnight? Hello, David, don't

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Speaker 3: what's happening?

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Speaker 2: Please speak into the microphone.

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Speaker 4: I know how it works.

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Speaker 3: You No, you clearly don't because you're not what's going on?

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Speaker 4: What we covered.

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Speaker 3: So we're doing a football podcast, David. We're just saying

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Speaker 3: who would rather be to win the premiership? Gelong or Freemantle.

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Speaker 3: We've I think we've agreed for Freemanton. Oh see, this

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Speaker 4: All right, good, I just thought i'd pop in Freemantle.

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Speaker 4: Good stuff.

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Speaker 5: What about space movies?

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Speaker 4: Like space movies we talked about.

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Speaker 3: I saw Hail Mary, I saw that to project. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's like the Martian.

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Speaker 6: You wanted to go, but you're Have you spoken about

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Speaker 2: Yes, so I would like to go to the movies

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Speaker 3: I'll go again if you want.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's looking more likely than then the family options.

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Speaker 2: on Wednesdays or Thursdays, and mostly at work at that time. David,

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Speaker 2: how many weeks for Tristan?

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Speaker 3: I reckon?

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Speaker 5: I'm going to say three.

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Speaker 3: after the result isn't known. So how long is it

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Speaker 3: take you to edit the point? I don't release it

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Speaker 3: Tuesday morning? Tuesday, Yeah, it's Tuesday right now. When I

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Speaker 6: I reckon.

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Speaker 4: They were like, I was like four, and Nor it's

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Speaker 6: And then he's like he's really, he's really sorry that

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Speaker 6: then give him six.

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Speaker 3: Right, So yeah, if they defended him at all, I won't,

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Speaker 5: What would be your instant reaction if someone wiped blood

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Speaker 5: on your face?

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Speaker 3: David?

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Speaker 6: Would Yill'm I'm a germophobe, Max max is away, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: The Drew has been Drews had worse stuff on his face.

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Speaker 3: It should be because with a child becoming a father.

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Speaker 3: Raise the bar of what's acceptable.

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Speaker 4: I had human shit on your face since the birth.

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Speaker 2: Of your faith happened well before the birth. Okay, that's

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Speaker 2: a joke.

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Speaker 3: Actually learn a lot of baby.

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Speaker 2: There hasn't been any of those moments with Max, to

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Speaker 2: be honest.

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Speaker 3: What about when in the car?

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Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, that wasn't That wasn't me though significant, Yes,

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Speaker 2: that was. Any closing thoughts before we exit you from

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Speaker 2: the room, please, I'll see you later on AFL tonight.

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Speaker 3: It's a great show.

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Speaker 2: So is it possible that North Melbourne argue this is

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Speaker 3: If they had a medical report that said he was concussed,

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Speaker 3: what you'd need to actually make that argument legally. Yes,

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Speaker 2: That is in the past, So I'm picking Freemantle because

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Speaker 3: Still trust Brisbane. It was sort of like a just

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Speaker 4: Yes, I agree Brisbane too, And I feel like that

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Speaker 2: Like that felt like let's say India are playing in

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Speaker 2: really and it's it's just a watch. I just like,

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Speaker 2: I like the group that Freemantle have put together. I'm

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Speaker 5: That's fair.

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Speaker 2: And will Brisbane be able to get their mix right?

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Speaker 2: Will they? Will the pieces fall into place? Let's see,

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Speaker 2: there's a watch. But I'm you know, I'm invested in

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Speaker 3: Mindful they did in the flag last year with a

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Speaker 2: And now they're not in that now maybe Tiger Up's

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Speaker 3: So they're worse. So Tiger better than Oscral And this

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Speaker 2: There's a little bit of vibe attached to this.

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Speaker 3: That's fair. We've left out for what it's worth. The

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Speaker 3: But obviously there are some very good teams who were inactive.

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Speaker 2: Yes, okay, and we'll talk about them at a lad

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Speaker 2: of time, absolutely with a podcast that might be involving

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Speaker 2: David's Eda hope. So let's bring Ben back early. So

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Speaker 2: which list would you rather have? We're going to we're

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'll have neither. Thanks. I'll just have to

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Speaker 5: But who are your questions on?

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Speaker 3: Well, they didn't pick Joe Tanahan and other guys, you know,

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Speaker 5: So we're going that early on.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying, supposed to watch. It's a watch. We'll

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Speaker 2: Do you want me to name the first round is.

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Speaker 3: We'll do that. We'll do that when we get to Pharophas.

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Speaker 3: I think if that's all right, okay, but I like

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Speaker 4: So I think they're doing it the right way and

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Speaker 3: Not high praise, but no.

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Speaker 4: I think it's Richmond pretty clearly.

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00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:35,439
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, Richmond ahead here. But they were

440
00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,679
Speaker 2: presented with an unbelievable opportunity with a bunch of senior

441
00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,320
Speaker 2: players all wanted to leave at the same time. And instead,

442
00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,320
Speaker 2: some clubs hold on to these things and they want

443
00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,560
Speaker 2: the nostalgia of the premiership players still at the club

444
00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,360
Speaker 2: to see how their careers there.

445
00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:51,040
Speaker 7: But they didn't do that, and so talking about anyone

446
00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:54,280
Speaker 7: in particular there or West Coast did it, yes, but

447
00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,399
Speaker 7: and that's you've seen the result, You've seen what happens,

448
00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:59,120
Speaker 7: and the's you know, there's other factors that play here,

449
00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,399
Speaker 7: but to bring in that amount of young talent in

450
00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:02,040
Speaker 7: one go.

451
00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:06,800
Speaker 2: I actually also like the next tier of young players

452
00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:08,720
Speaker 2: at Richmond. I think Banks is good. I think Tom

453
00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:10,720
Speaker 2: Brown is good. I think Seth Campbell is good.

454
00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:12,160
Speaker 3: I think Seth Campbell's above.

455
00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:14,360
Speaker 2: That tier, okay in terms of quality or.

456
00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:16,200
Speaker 3: It can be can be an a grader.

457
00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's really good young player. And I

458
00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:21,000
Speaker 2: didn't think it was like pick fifty ish for Seth Campbell.

459
00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:22,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it was even a rookie draft.

460
00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:22,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

461
00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,480
Speaker 2: He's been a superb pick up for them. So there's yeah,

462
00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:28,840
Speaker 2: there's a there's that next tier of young guys who

463
00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,000
Speaker 2: will be in the twenty six twenty seven bracket, you

464
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,360
Speaker 2: know when they start moving up, and I think they're

465
00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,800
Speaker 2: going to be important. So I've got Richmond ahead here

466
00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:41,199
Speaker 2: pretty comfortably. So then this to me is so easy

467
00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:42,159
Speaker 2: Richmond or Carlton.

468
00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:44,439
Speaker 3: Why is it so easy?

469
00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:50,640
Speaker 2: Because Carlton have Jagger Smith and have Harry Dean, and

470
00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:55,040
Speaker 2: they have Sam Walsh who's you know, six years in

471
00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,320
Speaker 2: or whatever, like what else? What are the young talent

472
00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:57,560
Speaker 2: they have?

473
00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,679
Speaker 3: They will have Cody Walker? Yeah, not yet, No, but

474
00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,080
Speaker 3: we have wraps on him.

475
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:02,520
Speaker 2: Anyway.

476
00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,560
Speaker 3: The question, I think this is a genuine question interesting

477
00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,080
Speaker 3: because I think there's a very good chance that Carlton,

478
00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,760
Speaker 3: like Carlton is what it is right now, a disappointing

479
00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,359
Speaker 3: and frustrating eight or nine win team. We saw what

480
00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:15,680
Speaker 3: happened on Sunday. That was the most predictable thing in history.

481
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:20,120
Speaker 3: But they have the problem of they've got a sort

482
00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:24,720
Speaker 3: of rebuild while being mediocre, rather than being terrible, which

483
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,440
Speaker 3: can be the Essendon problem. It can be the secular

484
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,200
Speaker 3: problem where you're too good to be terrible. Essendon's only

485
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,400
Speaker 3: finally getting there now, So that's the risk. I think

486
00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:36,680
Speaker 3: i'd probably Carlton because it's more likely that Carlton wins

487
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,600
Speaker 3: the flag in like two or three years time. I

488
00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 3: don't think it's likely at all. But Richmond long term

489
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,960
Speaker 3: have got the rebuild process started better.

490
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 4: I think I would say Richmond again. Yeah, in terms

491
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:54,800
Speaker 4: of Carlton, I worry about that middle wave of players.

492
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:59,160
Speaker 4: I think, like you said, Jago Smith, Harry Dean, Harry

493
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 4: Farrell while back there, when he gets back healthy, don't

494
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:03,120
Speaker 4: mind Hudson, don't keep But.

495
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 5: Still that's still an unknown.

496
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,199
Speaker 4: But you look at some of these names like the

497
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:13,719
Speaker 4: ones who play yesterday, like Ollie Hollins, Campbell Chester, Matt Carroll,

498
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 4: Brodie camp I don't like in a couple of years

499
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:22,160
Speaker 4: time and when Crips retires, I just that middle wave

500
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:27,119
Speaker 4: concerns me. And yeah, Cody Walker's yeah right, that's great,

501
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 4: but I feel like there's not enough depth there to

502
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,040
Speaker 4: make this a genuine comparison.

503
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 3: Because they've got the problem of they're not rebuilding, because

504
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:39,159
Speaker 3: they haven't started rebuilding yet, so that's why they're not comparable.

505
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 4: And that's why their position I think is worse than Richmond's.

506
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:43,880
Speaker 3: In terms of winning instead of winning a flag. Yeah,

507
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:45,360
Speaker 3: it's best placed.

508
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 2: So you just so to one Richmond, I don't Yeah,

509
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 2: I don't hate this Carlton squad like I didn't mean

510
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,880
Speaker 2: to be so just an arrange. I don't hate it.

511
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,440
Speaker 2: I like some of the balance of the recruits they've

512
00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 2: brought in, and I like what they're trying to Dobiity

513
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 2: on the run is hard, but you know, Geelong have

514
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 2: shown that you can, you can try it. But yeah,

515
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,880
Speaker 2: Richmond for me, because there's just more just they're rebuilding

516
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 2: and they have a bunch of first round picks, so

517
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 2: that puts me ahead. So having said that, how does

518
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,680
Speaker 2: this work? Now that we've disagreed? Are you your cart

519
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:19,400
Speaker 2: and b West Coast?

520
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 3: Right?

521
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:21,919
Speaker 5: Is a consensus?

522
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 3: Who did I pick? I don't remember.

523
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:25,959
Speaker 4: Did you pick Carson?

524
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:27,439
Speaker 5: Did you say no?

525
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 2: I think you said Richmond.

526
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:29,920
Speaker 3: I think I think it's two one Richmond.

527
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 2: So are you Richmond or West Coast?

528
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 3: See I'm getting I'm being caught, I mean, a prisoner

529
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:39,879
Speaker 3: of the moment, aren't I? If I pick if I

530
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 3: picked West Coast, it's too quick to pick West Coast.

531
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 3: I think I still have to pick Richmond. I have

532
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 3: to stick with my prize in the preseason. But cheez,

533
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 3: West Coast of the promising.

534
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 2: Well, what group of young players do you like better?

535
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 3: Richmond has more of them.

536
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 2: Yes, but which group do you like better? It's not

537
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,880
Speaker 2: about that, It's not about the quantity, aboutality.

538
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 3: I know, I know, I feel like we're course of

539
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,919
Speaker 3: drafted really well for like three years now. It seems like, quietly, yeah,

540
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,479
Speaker 3: like better than anyone expected. Like Shanahan really like we'll

541
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 3: talk about him in a second. You know, Harley Reid

542
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,160
Speaker 3: coming good two really good number one picks. It seems

543
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 3: like Durzman seems like a gem right now, and Duff

544
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 3: Tyler doing things that guys his size should not. I

545
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 3: am still gonna stick with Richmond because I like the cut,

546
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 3: deep cut, quickly process. I respect that process, and I

547
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 3: also like use. He is the expected score respector so

548
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 3: I have to respect him. But West Coast is way

549
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 3: closer than I thought they would have been coming into

550
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:33,400
Speaker 3: this year.

551
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 2: This is interesting, Jack.

552
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 5: I think it's a bit early to.

553
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 3: No, let's make decisions right now in round four.

554
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:50,160
Speaker 4: Well then Richmond still like again, it's hard to ignore

555
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,919
Speaker 4: the vibes because the vibes are pretty good, and I

556
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:58,439
Speaker 4: think it also it's also pretty clear that over time,

557
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 4: which is what they've needed that you know, the playing

558
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 4: group is science sort of. You can see they're buying

559
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 4: into what Andrew McWalter is something and how they want

560
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 4: to play. Harley Reid is stepping up, both in terms

561
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 4: of you still see if your haigher read moments, and

562
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 4: he certainly if he didn't exceed it, he got to

563
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 4: the quota of freakicks given away that he got to yesterday.

564
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 3: But they're kind of a good thing. You kind of

565
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 3: need a jerk sometimes, right.

566
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 5: I don't.

567
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 4: I don't want to go into his shell. No, and

568
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,719
Speaker 4: he lives with his actions, which is most important. Dur

569
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 4: was like the really exciting one. Yeah, like Shanahan duff Tyler,

570
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 4: I think you still need to Yeah, I don't know.

571
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 4: Like in terms of the entire pool of young talent,

572
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of good ones. I archer

573
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 4: readA think was sneaky good yesterday.

574
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 3: For a while. But are we talking you into them?

575
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 2: Are you talking yourself? Yeah?

576
00:25:58,119 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 4: Like I like Josh Lindsay as well as a boy

577
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 4: is a Yeah.

578
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 3: Okay, let's be a bit more negative. On West Coast.

579
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 3: I think they are still the fact that they're still

580
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 3: at the level when they're getting a lot of midfielders

581
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 3: who could not get senior games anywhere, and then they're

582
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 3: playing them to just see if any of them are

583
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,679
Speaker 3: any good. Like, that's the sign of a team that

584
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 3: isn't going to be good for a while, right, Like

585
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 3: Dave Robinson Shaw it's fine. You know, there's quite a

586
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 3: few guys like that on their list to it. They're

587
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 3: still trying guys out. They're not ready to be good yet.

588
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 4: I'd still say regiment.

589
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 3: So that's a concern, But it's the thing they should

590
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 3: be doing. I'm not criticizing them for it.

591
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 2: Well, if you want anyone's be critical of West Coast,

592
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,640
Speaker 2: you're looking at the guy who can do it, really

593
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 2: because well, the way they've conducted themselves since the twenty

594
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 2: nineteen season has been terrible. The club has been terribly run,

595
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,120
Speaker 2: but they've started to get things right. But it makes

596
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 2: a massive difference that someone like archer Red appears to

597
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 2: have been a really good pick. Like he's shown glimpses,

598
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 2: but his start to the season has been really good.

599
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 2: Shanahan has taken unbelievable strides since stabuting. It's kind of

600
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 2: with last year and just looks a player can do

601
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 2: it at both ends. Clutch moments, you know, kicks, goals,

602
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 2: nice mark, nice kick of the ball like he's ticking

603
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 2: all the boxes.

604
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 3: So many guys who can take marks. That's what I

605
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 3: really noticed on Sunday. It's a lot of really good marks.

606
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a tough titler. I don't think anyone expected

607
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 2: him to be having big moments in games so quickly

608
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 2: for a guy his size, you know, as an eighteen

609
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 2: year old, Durzmo just looks like one hundred game in

610
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 2: terms of the head on his shoulders and he's got

611
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 2: a beautiful kick and that's a great thing again. And

612
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 2: then Josh Lindsay needs a bit of work defensively, but

613
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 2: obviously with ball in hand, he's going to be a

614
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 2: massive weapon for West Coast. And then Harley read from

615
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 2: my perspective, is now he just looks like a bona

616
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 2: fide AFL midfielder rather than just a flashy guy who's

617
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 2: got a bit of a temper. Much better rounded player

618
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 2: already this season, and maybe it means that there aren't

619
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 2: as many flashy like Instagram moments, but the collective package

620
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 2: from Harley is much better. So the most important thing

621
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 2: for West Coast now they need to furnish some of

622
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 2: the high end talent and continue to draft well. If

623
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 2: they're going to win games and move up the ladder,

624
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 2: they need to find the Western Australian talent because right now,

625
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 2: sure they're all Victorians and that's okay. Freeman will have

626
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 2: done it with Victorians, but if Harley decided he wants

627
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 2: to go home, that really messes things up. So WA

628
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 2: hasn't been producing great talent and West Coast haven't been

629
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,959
Speaker 2: able to get hold of it. The best West Australian

630
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 2: players seems to have headed into state. But bo Allen

631
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 2: looks like he's taken a step true kick two goals yesday.

632
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 2: He's got a lethal left foot on him. And then

633
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 2: Jimbi is sort of becoming a really reliable defender. So

634
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 2: they need Elijah Hewitt to kick on. They need to

635
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 2: draft another midfielder. There's some stuff that needs to get done,

636
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 2: but I'm picking West Coast.

637
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 3: When was the last time you felt this good about

638
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 3: West Coast?

639
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 2: I guess I mean start at twenty nineteen, I probably

640
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 2: felt very optimistic that that group could maybe win another flag.

641
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 3: But since then, there are times in twenty twenty, I

642
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 3: think early twenty twenty it still felt like they were

643
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 3: up there well before ever before the comp came back.

644
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 2: We nearly finished top four on percentage. That's right. We

645
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 2: missed out on top four, and so that Yeah, it

646
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 2: was a weird season.

647
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 3: And you had the dirty Pie's game, Dirty.

648
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 2: Pire's game, yes, which you lost by a couple of points.

649
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 2: That ball touched on the line against the Dogs at

650
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 2: a weird game People's First, which that would have been

651
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 2: a win. We would have finished top four. There's a

652
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 2: lot of stuff, but yeah, that was a weird year

653
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 2: as we know, so West Coast, have we can landed

654
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 2: on the West Coast and census Land Richmond.

655
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 3: Let's put all let's put all three of these teams

656
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 3: in because they're all about the same bracket.

657
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 2: So North Melbourne, Richmond, West Coast, where we're heading here.

658
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 3: Do we feel good about North at all? Out of

659
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 3: that game on Saturday Night? Like I feel okay about them,

660
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 3: Like it's like, yeah, good they won, important that they won.

661
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 3: They need to win that game. They need to show

662
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 3: that they are a step ahead of the team that's

663
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 3: falling into a doom spiral. But you know, still the

664
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 3: broad question marks I have about North Melbourne defensively and

665
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 3: all of that stuff still exist. So I think I'm sticking.

666
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 3: I think I'm North ahead of those two teams. But

667
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 3: if I'm picking one of these teams to win a

668
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 3: flag in the next five years, I think I'm still

669
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 3: leading Richmond.

670
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 4: I think I think, yeah, Like it's interesting I would

671
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 4: lean North Melbourne. I feel like they had to. They've

672
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 4: never been a team in recent years where they go

673
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 4: into a games as a favorite firstly true, and then

674
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 4: as the favorite to win and just get the job done.

675
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 4: Even if it's a little bit untidy, which obviously it

676
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 4: was more than a few times on Saturday night, but

677
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 4: it was a game that was a danger game for them.

678
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 4: Absolutely is this big streak against them, you know, Essena Ham.

679
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 5: Game, you know.

680
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 4: Late charge with the Mombers as well, and they held on.

681
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 5: So I feel like.

682
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 4: They need to be given some credit in that sense.

683
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 4: Hasn't been convincing, and obviously the West Coast loss was disappointing,

684
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 4: but I think in patches they've shown that they can.

685
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 4: They really are quite potent, and they've got a lot

686
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 4: of good young players. Like I look at even Cooper

687
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 4: Trembarth as someone who was it was mid season, that

688
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 4: sounds right, one of those two.

689
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was.

690
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 4: He was like, because we're talking about the high draft

691
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 4: picks and you know McKercher and all that, but he

692
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 4: looks really good. Phinos Sullivan played a really great game

693
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 4: on Saturday night. I think the defense is still concerning

694
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 4: in terms of some of the key position players, but

695
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 4: obviously Combin's a long term player. I feel like they're

696
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 4: in terms of a list that's on the up and

697
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 4: you know, can win games in a short term.

698
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 5: I think they're above Richmond and West Coast.

699
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 3: Yes they're ahead of those teams in terms of twenty

700
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 3: twenty six, but do you.

701
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 4: Can you got no confidence in like it's even mentioned

702
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 4: North Melbourne and premiership in the same sentence. Still feels

703
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 4: odd to me. And I just don't know. It's tough

704
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 4: because any of those three teams in the next five years.

705
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 4: Can you see any one of those three teams in

706
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 4: the next five years winning premiership?

707
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 3: Like twenty thirty, I could imagine Richmond winning the flag? Okay,

708
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 3: very early to me, very Oh look it is, but

709
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,479
Speaker 3: that's the window you need to be in if you're building,

710
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 3: like you've got to be good by then, Like that's

711
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 3: how long it takes. Like it took Adelaide, what five

712
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 3: years from Wooden Spoon to finishing on top twenty twenty

713
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 3: to twenty twenty five. That's the path right now. That's

714
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 3: the example of the modern rebuild.

715
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 5: So we're in North in that timeline.

716
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 3: Well, it's a question of how high they are they

717
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 3: getting with this group. They've started to progress, they've had

718
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 3: this is the year where they start to progress and

719
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 3: they get to what six or seven wins? That wasn't intentional,

720
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 3: but yeah, I don't know if they have that ceiling yet.

721
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 4: Is this a group that they have at the moment.

722
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 4: Is that a capable enough group of in terms of

723
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 4: the core of going to an in premiership.

724
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 3: No, but it's not done yet. Okay, they need to

725
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 3: keep adding too. It mean they're going to finish bottom.

726
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 4: Six, Yeme, you don't reckon their core is in place.

727
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:53,959
Speaker 3: Only because they're going to keep adding to it. But

728
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 3: like they've got the bones of a core.

729
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 4: They've also got even core accurate who is not actually

730
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 4: going to be a core.

731
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,479
Speaker 3: No piece, ironically not I would remove him from the

732
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 3: core removing a rib big.

733
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 2: Arsenal fan hat in court.

734
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 3: That's good. So North, congratulations, thank you. He's going to

735
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 3: enjoy some success this year. It seems like finally.

736
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 2: That's that's great for him and I So North at

737
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 2: the moment, to me don't have the power to recruit

738
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 2: the players required. Yes, they don't have any key defenders

739
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 2: like I like Charlie Combon, but I don't have any

740
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 2: like superstar key defenders, which is a problem for them.

741
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 3: He shouldn't be a number one really no, but.

742
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 2: I do like Combin at either end. I think he

743
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 2: can be a good player. But to me, they're just

744
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 2: they don't have the power to get a list to

745
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 2: where it needs to be to compete with a Brisbane

746
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 2: or a Gold Coast or a Collingwood or whatever. You

747
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 2: know that the power of Victorian clubs, the academy clubs.

748
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 2: To me, North can't compete with that, and that's reality.

749
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 2: They can continue to draft good players and hope that

750
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 2: it works out. But to me, Richmond West Coast ahead

751
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 2: of North.

752
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 4: Can you see them Drew North as a club that

753
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 4: takes the sin Kultar approach years because of that reason,

754
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 4: because like at some point would they identify that they

755
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 4: can't they don't. They won't be able to recruit in

756
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 4: the same way that the contenders have been addled to

757
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 4: and they have to eventually spend to do it.

758
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 5: They have to.

759
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 2: That's their path to being a winning team is to

760
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 2: overspend on talent to get them to come to the club.

761
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 2: It just hasn't worked for them previously.

762
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 3: They tried to do it at the end of the

763
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 3: last decade with Dusty offering him long term deals and

764
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 3: Josh Kelly stuff like that.

765
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 2: They even tried Gaff. Yeah, the only reason that Gaff

766
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 2: didn't go was because he punched Andrew Brayshaw and felt

767
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 2: bad and stayed at West Coast, and in the end

768
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 2: it probably would have been best for all parties you

769
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 2: get had left, But that's a whole other thing.

770
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 4: I think they're in a better spot now in terms

771
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 4: of selling that vision to too free agents, and I

772
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 4: think than what they were is the only thing well.

773
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 3: And I think they are helped by the fact that

774
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 3: the cap. The cap going up makes it easier to

775
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 3: do that because you can blow a team out of

776
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 3: the water more when you're offering a million a year

777
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,399
Speaker 3: compared to eight hundred, it's a bigger gap. When you're

778
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,879
Speaker 3: offering two million to one point five, you feel that more.

779
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 2: If there's players out there who are thinking, in the

780
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 2: next couple of years, I want that Tazzi money and

781
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 2: they don't get it. Can North swoop in and say

782
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 2: if you if you're looking for cash, we've got it.

783
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 3: And we were in Tasmania, so we're basically at the

784
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:10,240
Speaker 3: same club.

785
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 2: That's right. But yeah, it's going to be hard. It's

786
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 2: going to be hard for them for the reasons that

787
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 2: I thought I outlined. So that brings us to Port

788
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 2: Adelaide as our last team. So Richmond or Port Adelaide.

789
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 3: Shouldn't put Adelai be better than they are? Like I've

790
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 3: felt that for a little while because let's got that

791
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 3: incredible young core within them. Speaking of course they have that,

792
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,280
Speaker 3: but if Butters goes, I think Butter's going can allow

793
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 3: them to rebuild quickly.

794
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 2: I think you get four first round it is, don't

795
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 2: they and.

796
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 3: Then they're going to They've got two potential top five,

797
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 3: top ten guys coming in the next two drafts and

798
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 3: GA Academy father son types. So I think it's Port Adelaide.

799
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 3: I think I have some optimism there. They can be

800
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 3: they can act like a big club because of being

801
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 3: in a two club town that helps them with recruiting

802
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,240
Speaker 3: as compared to a North Melbourne or a Richmond or no,

803
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 3: maybe not a Richmond, but certainly compared to North Melbourne.

804
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 3: So I think I take Port. But you're a little

805
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 3: worried about the fact that they were supposed to have

806
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 3: this incredible start to get their season on a run

807
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 3: and they've lost to North Melbourne and West Coast.

808
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 5: I think it's pretty concerning.

809
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I tend to for the short term anyway.

810
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 4: King last night and I think that list is a

811
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 4: concern especially, it's more like when than if Zach Barters leaves.

812
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 4: I just don't know how many really genuine premium assets

813
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 4: they have if he leaves. Outside of Francis.

814
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 3: Rosie, you know, it's a pretty good four top four

815
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 3: or five.

816
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 4: Oh, but like that, I think there's a real fall

817
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 4: off after that in terms of like the players on

818
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 4: that list, like.

819
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 3: But they've intentionally not gone to the draft. They had

820
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 3: no picks last year, and they're about to get a

821
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 3: bunch of guys in, so like the rebuild if those

822
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,399
Speaker 3: guys hit quickly could be relatively quick.

823
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 5: Yeah.

824
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 4: I just there's a lot of like maybe players again

825
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 4: Logan Evans, Farrell, Lockie Jones.

826
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 3: Corey Durdan coming in and stuff like that.

827
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, Benjo, some of these guys who are going towards

828
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 4: the end, Willa and Drew Jordan Sweet. Like, I just

829
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 4: think there's that middle twelve players is problematic.

830
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 3: Okay, true.

831
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, some of their recruiting I have found interesting over

832
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 2: the last few years, the amount of mature age players

833
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 2: that's sort of brought in and filtered through, and I

834
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 2: don't think many of them have really hit. So I

835
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 2: think their list is an interesting spot. It's a really

836
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 2: unknown for me. I know, I'm aware of the fact

837
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 2: they've got some guys coming, but we haven't seen them

838
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 2: play an AFL game yet, so I'm.

839
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 3: Not really sure what they're going to be.

840
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 5: Like.

841
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean you can a little bit, but

842
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 2: I'm just not going to say that. I think, oh

843
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 2: Port going to win a flag in five years because

844
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 2: they've got this stuff coming. So yeah, I would have

845
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 2: Richmond West Coast head of Port, so I think that's

846
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 2: where we land, all right. So seek two is Fair

847
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 2: or Fast.

848
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 3: Let's do it, and now on.

849
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: The Fox Footy podcast, another strong edition of Australia's favorite segment,

850
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 1: Fair or.

851
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 3: Fast Max Please lead us off, Drew Carlton must develop

852
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,919
Speaker 3: a new strain of Covid released into the world, force

853
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 3: the AFL back into hubs with a shorter seed and

854
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 3: shorder quarters, and then they will win the flag Fair

855
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 3: or face That.

856
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 2: Is a face? Oh come on, what Okay, it's fair.

857
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 2: I want Covid to come back.

858
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 3: Flock us down, buddy West Australians they loved it.

859
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 2: So this has been a problem for Carlton for a

860
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 2: long time. I just thinkly remember asking David tig about

861
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 2: momentum swings and they couldn't they couldn't stop teams when

862
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 2: they got a run on. So this is not a

863
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 2: new thing. This is a Carlton ingrained problem.

864
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 3: And the second half fade out in particular, which they've

865
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 3: lost three games by an average of fifty one points

866
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,800
Speaker 3: and second halfs this year alone.

867
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 2: It's a remarkable run that they're on. And I was

868
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 2: asking myself, is this a coaching issue or is this

869
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 2: a player issue? Like what is it more symptomatic of?

870
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 2: And I'm honestly struggling to put my finger on the

871
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 2: problem outside of the fact that I think they're a

872
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 2: middling team and Melbourne game style allows them to be

873
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:56,879
Speaker 2: open and attacking and get runs on which we saw

874
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 2: what we've seen already this season. So you can isolate

875
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 2: it to one game, you can think about the body

876
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 2: of work, which goes back a long time. But ultimately,

877
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,280
Speaker 2: if the messaging from the coach to try and stop

878
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 2: this isn't getting through, that's a big problem. Players don't

879
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 2: seem to be taking it on either.

880
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 3: It has to be everything all at once, which is

881
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 3: the problem because then you can't easily fix that no idea.

882
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 4: Yeah like stuff like yes, they surely falls more on

883
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 4: a playing group. I guess you could argue that, you know,

884
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 4: more adjustments maybe had to be made, but I think

885
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,280
Speaker 4: in terms of the kind of formula that they cultivated

886
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 4: in the first half, it was just so striking because

887
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 4: I can't actually remember the last time Carlton looked about

888
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 4: dominant in a first half would have been at least

889
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 4: a couple of years ago.

890
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 3: Been the prelim against Brisbane, right, something like.

891
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 4: That, yes, right, speaking of fade out and like it

892
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 4: and for them to just like then they look so vulnerable,

893
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 4: especially on transition, that every single time that Melbourne started

894
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 4: making waves off counter punch of half back, I looked

895
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 4: so vulnerable and like, it's just I think Voss is

896
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 4: doing a good job with what he has. I disagree, Okay,

897
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 4: I just don't. I don't think there's I don't think

898
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 4: he has like a really great, you know, suite of

899
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 4: talent to work.

900
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 3: No, I'm not saying we've gotten to the point where

901
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 3: the list has clearly been overrated by everyone, because they

902
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 3: would be better if they had the list that we

903
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 3: all thought they did. I think they.

904
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 2: Also got rid of TDK and Kerno, who two of

905
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,479
Speaker 2: their best and most important players.

906
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,760
Speaker 3: But Trudo was already a player who faded out badly

907
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 3: in second half like last year, like his numbers and

908
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 3: second half were way way worse.

909
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 2: It's first quarters. He kicked all these goals in first quarter, right, Yeah,

910
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 2: well that's Carlton.

911
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 3: Yes, they kick all their goals in first quarters. They

912
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 3: try and win one. That's why they want short quarters back.

913
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 3: Bring back Stephen Quarterman, but Shorten. I like that. That's

914
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:46,919
Speaker 3: one of my favorite memes from that time.

915
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 2: Sur Jackie Reid, Yes, worse that very good. It's me

916
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 2: Jack right now and Job Shanahan is the best key

917
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 2: position player from the twenty twenty four draft.

918
00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 3: There we go fair of.

919
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 5: Us right now. I think it's fair.

920
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 4: The only competition he has at the moment truly is

921
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 4: Alex Taru, Yes, and then a little bit behind that

922
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 4: Jack Whitlock, who I haven't. I've liked some of the

923
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 4: signs that he's shown. I think right and now Richmond

924
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 4: fans would want to see more out of John T.

925
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 4: Fall a little bit. I think long term Fall is

926
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 4: going to be a very good player. Right now. The

927
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 4: signs that Shanahan has shown as a guy who can

928
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 4: do it at either end and just really Vice like

929
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 4: mits and that's a similar sort of thing with Taru,

930
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 4: who can should have shown he can do it at

931
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,760
Speaker 4: boths as well, So I think that's his genuine competition

932
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 4: right now. But you know recently Vice, I would lean Shanahan.

933
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 2: All right, So twenty twenty four drafts, please, Jobe Shanahan

934
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 2: was taken with West Coast at selection number thirty from

935
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 2: the Bendigo Pioneers. I'm going to name some players and

936
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 2: you tell me if you will draft him before job

937
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 2: with the easy Ones. Jagger Smith, Sam Lawler, Yes, you

938
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 2: can also contribute Jack, Yes, I'm both.

939
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 3: Yes, I would take both of those players above Shanahan.

940
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 2: Yes, finn O'Sullivan, I would take Sullivan, Yes, Foss for short,

941
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 2: Sid Draper.

942
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 3: On exposed form Shanahan.

943
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 4: Shanahan, Levi Ashcroft, Shanahan.

944
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 3: Ashcroft.

945
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 5: Just what's Ashcroft shown?

946
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 3: He's want a premiership? What did he contribute to it

947
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 3: with all the everyday No, Yeah, that's the hardest part

948
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 3: when you're comparing environments.

949
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 5: So I think he's been a pretty uncontested player.

950
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. Nickdakoss was for a while too, and they're

951
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 3: the same place doing more. Look half vote.

952
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 2: I'm sitting on the fence on that one, Murphy Reid,

953
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 2: if you read okay, I wouldn't think there's anyone else

954
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 2: in the draft too. You take your head of Shanahan,

955
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 2: but I can give you some names as Bo Allen,

956
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 2: as Joe Berry, Johnty four, Isaac CaCO, maybe Taj Hotten,

957
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 2: Zavia Lindsay, Alex taru Is.

958
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, going to be good.

959
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 2: Yep, Harvey Langford, Josh Miley, Trevali, a Lombard, Hannaford, Oliver

960
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 2: Heinz trainer to totally Armstrong and.

961
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 3: Go we're missing the best name in the draft, Jack

962
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 3: Jack Ufolf.

963
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 2: It's off so not so We've got Shanahan potentially sort

964
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:37,760
Speaker 2: of picks five, six, seven.

965
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 3: He's a top ten pick in a redraft, definitely.

966
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 5: Yep.

967
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's gone really well.

968
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 4: I think Richmond Vans right now would be thinking we've

969
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 4: taken Johnty Fall, Harry Armstrong and Tom Simms before Joe Shanahan.

970
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:51,439
Speaker 4: It's food for thought.

971
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 3: Yes, That's that is why I asked, because I think

972
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 3: for a Richmond fan right now, you are a little

973
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 3: bit disgruntled at that at the early science admitting it

974
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 3: is early and particularly with keepers from Blazers Deck World

975
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 3: to developed.

976
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 2: Yep, Max Scott Pendlebury will break the AFL games record

977
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 2: against West Coast or Fast.

978
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 3: I think that's fair funny. You should ask Drew because

979
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 3: I wrote about this el us why because I think

980
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 3: they're going to manage him to do so. So the

981
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 3: problem they've got now is that penderbreed to get to

982
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 3: game four point thirty three if he plays every game,

983
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 3: assuming he's missing Easter Thursday against Brisbane at the GABA.

984
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 3: We know that you would have to play every game

985
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 3: between now and round nine to play it against Geelong,

986
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:31,919
Speaker 3: which is a Geelong home game at the MCG because

987
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 3: of course Collingwood's not going to play a GEMHBS stadium,

988
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 3: don't be stupid, So he has to play every game.

989
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 3: The problem there is that he's got a six day

990
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 3: turnaround from playing Freez to playing Carlton, and then a

991
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 3: five day turnaround from Anzac Day to playing Hawthorne in

992
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 3: round eight and on. Given the Collinwood said that they

993
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 3: effectively were probably going to manage him for Easter Thursday. Anyway,

994
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 3: you would expect that they would manage him for a

995
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 3: five day break off Anzac Day So that says to

996
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 3: me that he's could be on four to thirty two

997
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 3: against Gelong and then the next week they play Sydney

998
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 3: at the SCG, and you don't want to do his

999
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 3: record breaking game in Sydney, not just for the sentimental

1000
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 3: value of playing it at home, but also because it's

1001
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 3: a big financial loss, because they can turn round eleven

1002
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 3: against West Coast Sateurlly Twilight at the MCG into a

1003
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 3: game that would have gotten what fifty to sixty k

1004
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 3: to genuinely ninety thousand people going in the same way

1005
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 3: that Dusty three hundred was a huge deal when it

1006
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 3: otherwise we have just been a random mid season Richmond

1007
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 3: Hawthorne game. So I think they are incentivized, not that

1008
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 3: they're going to arrest him for financial reasons, but it

1009
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 3: adds to the reasons to manage him twice over the

1010
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 3: next month or so and play it against West Coast.

1011
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 5: What if you just play really low time on ground.

1012
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 3: Yeah you could do that, but are you risking losing

1013
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 3: some games by doing so? There's a counter there where

1014
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 3: I understand they were sort of playing him as the

1015
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 3: quasi sub earlier in the year.

1016
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 4: Right like they already sort of did that.

1017
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can get away with it a little bit.

1018
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 3: But I think if they were going to manage him

1019
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 3: in round four anyway, like you would probably want to

1020
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 3: manage him again for the five day break against Hawthorne,

1021
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 3: a team that you want to be beating if you're

1022
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 3: actually trying to make Top four, and they are, so

1023
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 3: that's an important game.

1024
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 4: Whoever they circled this game is the one to give

1025
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:13,320
Speaker 4: him off so that that game could be played against

1026
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,720
Speaker 4: a big opponent of the g certainly possible.

1027
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 3: Either those are the two options. It's the Geelong game

1028
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:19,919
Speaker 3: or you manage him twice for the West Coast game.

1029
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 2: I think it ultimately depends on how important and ceremonial

1030
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 2: they believe this record to be and how they prioritize

1031
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 2: it for Scott and in their season. I think what

1032
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 2: you're saying makes a ton of sense. But Scott is

1033
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 2: also a guy that just wants to get out there

1034
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 2: and win games of football and play, so it's going

1035
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 2: to be hard to tell him to rest max her

1036
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 2: up next true.

1037
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 3: Fair or fast. This season is a great example of

1038
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 3: why a mid season trade period would be perfect in

1039
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 3: modern footy. So it goes like Zach Merritt could move clubs.

1040
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:54,760
Speaker 2: I'm going to say fast, but I am a believer

1041
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 2: in the mid season trade period, although I do think

1042
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:02,280
Speaker 2: it heavily favors Victorian clubs. Course the movement factor moving

1043
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 2: states mid year would be difficult with kids in school, etc.

1044
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 2: But I think that Essendon have planted their flag with

1045
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,479
Speaker 2: Zach Merrit, so I don't believe that he would be traded.

1046
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 3: So it's a bad example. But conceptually you're like a

1047
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 3: mid season trade period. I do despite all the issues

1048
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 3: it would have with contracts and who would pay for them,

1049
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 3: and all the salary cap issues that would come out

1050
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 3: of it, I think there's benefit to.

1051
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 2: It, Yes, and I think that can all be worked out.

1052
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 2: That's all semantics. Drew asks Jack fair or fast correct?

1053
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 2: Andrew Dylan is stuck.

1054
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 5: In the past with regards.

1055
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 2: To the Grand Final scheduling for the next two years.

1056
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, fair, fair, But I don't I wouldn't say that

1057
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 4: there's much wrong with that, being like the case like.

1058
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 3: This is the two thirty starts being locked in.

1059
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he'll, like it'll still get moved at

1060
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 4: some stage in the future. I'm reasonably sure of that.

1061
00:47:55,200 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 4: We're confident of that. Like, Yeah, he's stuck in the past, sure,

1062
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 4: but I think the majority of fans don't mind it

1063
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 4: staying at two thirty for ten more years and then

1064
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 4: maybe they can look at moving it forward.

1065
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 3: So two things on the Grand Final start time decision.

1066
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 3: One was this because everyone's really upset at the AFL

1067
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 3: at the moment about opening round and they needed a

1068
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 3: sort of win in the fans eyes. Is that why

1069
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 3: they've locked this in for two years?

1070
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 2: Is this a win in the fans eyes?

1071
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 3: Definite? I think people are very happy with this.

1072
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I mean it's if that's the case, then yes,

1073
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 2: it's a very easy win. It's a half volley.

1074
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,919
Speaker 3: Two. Do people misunderstand what a Twilight Grand Final would

1075
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 3: be because when I've talked to people about this, I've

1076
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 3: explained that a Twilight game starts around four thirty, and

1077
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 3: I think that's when this game would start, like the

1078
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 3: prelims that they've been doing.

1079
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 4: What times of people think it is.

1080
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,479
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people think that Twilight means

1081
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 3: it's starting at like six and then thus it's a

1082
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 3: night game effectively. I think there's a bit of confusion

1083
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 3: around it. I think they are messaging it wrong, and

1084
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 3: I think if they explain that it would still finish

1085
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 3: at seven seven thirty, that's totally fine for families, and

1086
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 3: you're getting celebrations afterwards. You've got time for all of it.

1087
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,919
Speaker 3: I am pro that Grand Final because of that, because

1088
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 3: I think it's the best time slot and footing. Now,

1089
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 3: I think it works out for everyone, broadcasters, fans. It's

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00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,720
Speaker 3: great experienced like the Geelong Bridsbane prelim that was fantastic,

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00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 3: apart from my team losing a close one, but you know,

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00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 3: even that was enjoyable because of the game itself.

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00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 2: So we do AFL tonight from the MCG and on

1094
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 2: Grand Final eve. Yes, And so the time that's half

1095
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,760
Speaker 2: time is essentially when we start broadcasting. And I always

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00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 2: stand there and think and look out of the MCG

1097
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 2: and I'm like, this is such a beautiful time in spring,

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00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 2: dusk nice, it's cool but not too cold. There's just

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00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 2: something magical about that time. I'm a big dust guy anyway.

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00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 2: But having the halftime show, the lights come into effect.

1101
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 2: You can do five weeks, you can do light shows

1102
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 2: and stuff. It just it all makes sense to me.

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00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 2: But so yeah, I think it's time to move it.

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00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,720
Speaker 3: I'm also also fine with the day Grand Final whatever.

1105
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to be a great day either way, Max,

1106
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 2: quoting Kate McCarthy on al the media this weekend. If

1107
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 2: you Sint Kilda are serious about championing for the LGBTQI

1108
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 2: plus community, the Saints should part ways with Lance Collard.

1109
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 3: I think this is fair, Drew. I think mindful of

1110
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 3: there is an investigation ongoing and I believe that in

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00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:20,399
Speaker 3: this case, Lance Collard has previously said an homophobic slur

1112
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 3: on the field and admitted to it, copp to six

1113
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 3: game suspension. I believe it was for his VFL actions,

1114
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 3: so he'd be copping a lot more this time. And

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00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 3: I think if it is found that he has done so,

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00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 3: I think it helps that he's not a player who's

1117
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 3: busting down the door to getting to the best twenty

1118
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 3: three every week like that is a factor in why

1119
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 3: Adelaide fought so hard for isac Reenklan last year. That's

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00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 3: just a reality of the situation. But if you are

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00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 3: Sin Kilda, the team that wants to be part of

1122
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 3: the Pride game with Sydney sin Kulda representing a very

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00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 3: important area in Melbourne for the gay community, they need

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00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 3: to be serious about this sort of thing. I believe

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00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 3: Collard argue that he said maggot, and that's his defense,

1126
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 3: but he also probably would need to He would want

1127
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 3: to defend himself hard this time because he knows that

1128
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 3: the punishment could be very severe no matter what it is.

1129
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 3: So I think Securita should be very very harsh on

1130
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 3: this because you have to be, because you can make

1131
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 3: a mistake once, but you can't really make thea that

1132
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 3: mistake twice.

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00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 4: I think he's in big trouble if it's if somehow

1134
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 4: he's found to have.

1135
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 5: Made the same mistake.

1136
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 2: Twice understood, I think he's going to get a long suspension.

1137
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 2: I think it's very long, yes, and I think it's

1138
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 2: probably deserved. Okay, let's move to the mail bag. Please

1139
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 2: Max Yes on.

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00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 1: The Fox Foody podcast, It's time to open up the mailbag.

1141
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: Have a question for the panel. Tweet us every Monday

1142
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 1: morning at Fox Footy Mailbag.

1143
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 3: Thank you to everyone who wrote in Fox Footy on Twitter,

1144
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 3: I still call it that, and then you give us

1145
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 3: your questions, then we read them out. We'll do it

1146
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 3: just a brief little mail bag because we actually actually

1147
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 3: have gone quite long so far. Simon asks, can someone win?

1148
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 3: Mark of the year if it causes concussion to the

1149
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 3: person it's taken on, can the AFL be seen promoting that. Yes,

1150
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 3: there was an incident where that happened on the weekend.

1151
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 3: It was a very good mark where that was concerned

1152
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:02,760
Speaker 3: about that from what Saints Brisbane.

1153
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 4: And the mark will still be what's remembered about it.

1154
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 3: It's true.

1155
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 2: I think it's fine you sign up to play AFL

1156
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 2: there is a chance that you'll get need in the

1157
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 2: back of the head when someone takes a hangout.

1158
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 3: Sorry, I think that's probably probably fair. We have an

1159
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 3: Essendon fan here, Ben. Actually a very important question. When

1160
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 3: does the first Test start?

1161
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 2: The West Test? Ben, Australia versus New Zealand. But you

1162
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:27,320
Speaker 2: can also get the top end. Oh yes against Bangladesh.

1163
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 2: It's a huge summer of cricket coming up, a lot

1164
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 2: of cricket, quite extraordinary amount of cricket.

1165
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 3: Thank you to everyone else who wrote in. Apologies if

1166
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 3: we've skipped your question, but we have to get to

1167
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:37,800
Speaker 3: a very big round of footy.

1168
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 2: Okay, so the tips for this week. It is round

1169
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 2: four in the AFL. GWS and Secured aren't playing. I

1170
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 2: believe you have eight fixtures, correct, this weekend. Thursday Night

1171
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 2: football is the Easter Thursday clash traditionally between Brisbane and

1172
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 2: Collingwood at Gabba. Who have you got Forest.

1173
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 3: Max Brisbane and I still trust them, but this game

1174
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 3: has some weird results in the past few years, so

1175
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:00,320
Speaker 3: who knows as.

1176
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 4: A Calm would have won last year quite convincingly twenty four.

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00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 3: I think they thrashed them.

1178
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:08,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say Brisbane, Yeah, brizzye for me. Friday afternoon,

1179
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 2: good Friday Appeal. It's at Marvel Stadium, North Melbourne versus

1180
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:13,800
Speaker 2: Carlton at Marvel.

1181
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 3: Carlton has to win this. Carlton has to win this. Carlton.

1182
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 3: Carlton has to win.

1183
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 5: This North Melbourne.

1184
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 3: No, Tristan Sherry is a big is a big deal

1185
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:25,839
Speaker 3: for this game?

1186
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:30,399
Speaker 4: Actually yeah yeah yeah against my pit Yeah okay, yeah

1187
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 4: it is. I think they also be mindful of how

1188
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 4: many times they have like faulted on this stage.

1189
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 5: It's true they want to.

1190
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 4: Keep playing this game and they were sharp and can

1191
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 4: you be drinking?

1192
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 2: I'm going North Friday Night football. The Crows get a

1193
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 2: good Friday fixture against Freemantle Adelaide Oval Beer game.

1194
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 3: This has become a games traditional. I think and I

1195
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 3: think this is a game where Freemantle announces itself as

1196
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 3: a top four certainty Freer like it.

1197
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:57,760
Speaker 5: Big danger for Adelheide.

1198
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 2: I'll say fre as well, Freemantle for me. Saturday Twilight

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Speaker 2: at the Melbourne Cricket Stadium, Richmond versus Port Adelaide.

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00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:08,439
Speaker 3: Not what it's called. Port have to win this sort

1201
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 3: of thing. Port have to win this Richmond.

1202
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:15,240
Speaker 4: Really, I mean this could change for the official tips.

1203
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 3: But I'll say, okay, yeah, that's fine. Yeah, it's Monday,

1204
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 3: we're recording this. You can say whatever you want.

1205
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 2: I'll go Richmonds. I'm going to say it's a Trent

1206
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 2: Cotchin Cup in honor if him winning the Tyson kicking

1207
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 2: against the breeze. It's overrated fact that Ken did it

1208
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 2: on the broadcast.

1209
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 3: Yeah you think, okay, well, if he remembers it, then

1210
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 3: maybe it.

1211
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 2: Mattered Saturday night football, maybe a slightly better game than

1212
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 2: would have been expected off the stadium. It's West Coast

1213
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 2: hosting the Swans. Surely, surely you couldn't.

1214
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,439
Speaker 3: Pick a No, No, I know you couldn't, but you feel

1215
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 3: hell of a lot better about it than I did.

1216
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:48,240
Speaker 3: Like two weeks ago, I was like, oh, this game's

1217
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:51,320
Speaker 3: gonna be a drubbing. But now which Coast sailed themselves?

1218
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 5: Well, Sydney Sidney.

1219
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 2: Bill Simmons would say it's going into the watchable category

1220
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 2: for he said.

1221
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:02,359
Speaker 4: House West Coast has gone up the league pass league

1222
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 4: pass round.

1223
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, West Coast are a league pass team.

1224
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 4: Ok.

1225
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, they are your good young players are some highlight.

1226
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 3: We should do a KO rankings. It's good cross promotion.

1227
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, very nice. Let's go the Jason Ball Cup for

1228
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:19,879
Speaker 2: West Coast premiership player at both sides Melbourne versus Gold Coast.

1229
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 2: This is Saturn Day Harbor at the MCG.

1230
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 3: Slightly less spicy than we'd hoped with no Patracker, but

1231
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 3: I still think Gold Coast gets it done.

1232
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 2: So do I Gold Coast for me. Sunday Night football

1233
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 2: the Western Bulldogs against Essendon. All I can say here

1234
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 2: is this is a traditional thrashing.

1235
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 3: I think this is genuinely one of the biggest like

1236
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 3: betting line margins whatever that we've ever seen this early

1237
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 3: in the season. Like Thiston is like some absurd figure

1238
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:49,439
Speaker 3: to win this because they got.

1239
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 5: To lose by a million, right, like more than ten goals?

1240
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, no, it could be really dire.

1241
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just the only bad game this week. I

1242
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 3: think every other game, even West cost Sydney is interesting.

1243
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:02,320
Speaker 3: Every game, every other game is interesting.

1244
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 4: Good career.

1245
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 2: And then to finish off the traditional Easter Monday game.

1246
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 2: So Hawthorne against Geelong at the MCG traditionally has been

1247
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 2: a fantastic game.

1248
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 3: True the years, and I think that this is my

1249
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:18,320
Speaker 3: Geelong pessimism coming in. I think Hawthorne wins this quite nicely,

1250
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 3: quite comfortably, like five five goal sort of range.

1251
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 4: Are they more hurt than helped by the big break?

1252
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 3: I'd never know, So I'd never put any stock into

1253
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:30,359
Speaker 3: it because it can mean whatever you want it to mean.

1254
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 5: It's a long spell. I will say Hawthorne, Okay.

1255
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 2: I'm a Geelong truster. Trust the Cats. I'll tip them

1256
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,760
Speaker 2: on Monday. So there's our tips for round four. Gentlemen.

1257
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 2: It's been a pleasure as always loved feeling you. It'll

1258
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 2: be a big hole in my week next week when

1259
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 2: I'm not here, does it I'll be gather around actually, oh,

1260
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,720
Speaker 2: enjoy it. Can't wait. So I'll see everyone in Adelaide

1261
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 2: next week.

1262
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:54,919
Speaker 3: That's right, everyone in footy will be there.

1263
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 2: This has been a Fox Footy podcast catch us soon.

1264
00:56:58,200 --> 00:56:59,600
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