WEBVTT - #2033 Full Moons, Home Robots & Falling In Love With AI - Patrick Bonello

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<v Speaker 1>I get a team. It's Patrick and Jumbo, It's the

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<v Speaker 1>Bloody Project, that's you. It's tech Friday, while it's Fridays,

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<v Speaker 1>we're recording. Hi, mate, how are you look?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not doing too bad. I you know, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit earlier for me because you know, yes, your

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<v Speaker 2>text last night. Can we do it an hour and

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<v Speaker 2>a half earlier? And that's good. But I made the

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<v Speaker 2>mistake of having a bagel with fake chicken on it?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that? What?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>I know that fake bacon's called faken? What's that is? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't it? Do they call it facn fake bacon?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, people call it fake facon, but no, so it

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<v Speaker 2>was a chicken. Well. So a few weeks ago, I

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<v Speaker 2>was crook and I ordered some groceries online. And I

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<v Speaker 2>might be a bit of a tight ass sometimes. So

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<v Speaker 2>there's a little algorithm you click what's on special and vegan,

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<v Speaker 2>and it lists all the stuff that's on special to

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<v Speaker 2>shop with, which is kind of makes sense. So I

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<v Speaker 2>bought all this stuff, but I bought way too much stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And then yesterday I realized that everything was best before today,

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<v Speaker 2>So I thought, oh man, I'm gonna eat it. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm eating it for the sake of it be eaten

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<v Speaker 2>so I don't have to throw it out because I

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<v Speaker 2>hate wasting food and I never eat something heavy in

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<v Speaker 2>the morning. It's normally as smoothie and normally after I've

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<v Speaker 2>been to the gym. So I haven't been to the gym.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't walked the dog. Fritz is laying on the

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<v Speaker 2>chair next to me, feeling totally dejected. He's just put

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<v Speaker 2>his head up to see what I was talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I've eaten this bagel with avocado. It kind

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<v Speaker 2>of would have been nice that maybe lunchtime, but definitely

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<v Speaker 2>not ten minutes before sitting down to do a podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>So in general, I'm great, and thank you for donating

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<v Speaker 2>to that fundraiser that I've been raising for all this month,

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<v Speaker 2>because I'm welcome number two in Australia, Crago. How good

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<v Speaker 2>is that?

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<v Speaker 1>You're a little champion fundraiser. Can I just I want

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<v Speaker 1>to reinquire, just briefly, why do vegans who don't like

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<v Speaker 1>meat constantly have meat? You know, it's like fake beef,

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<v Speaker 1>fake chicken, fake bacon.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I see, I'm not a vegan who doesn't like meat.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a vegan who doesn't eat meat ethically because I

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<v Speaker 2>can't bear the thought of an animal being killed. So

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<v Speaker 2>if you have about I'll walk past and think, hm,

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<v Speaker 2>that smells okay. You know a rack of lamb. Gee,

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<v Speaker 2>rack of lamb would have been good. But I just

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<v Speaker 2>don't know the idea of the little lamb not being

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<v Speaker 2>there anymore. That's what doesn't for me.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. I was listening to this podcast where they

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<v Speaker 1>were talking about this, and they're talking about I'll find

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<v Speaker 1>it for you, and I probably shouldn't send it to you,

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<v Speaker 1>But they were talking about how, you know, people who

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<v Speaker 1>are vegans for ethical reasons, which is completely legit, totally understandable.

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<v Speaker 1>But then they were talking about the amount of insects

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<v Speaker 1>and small animals that get destroyed in the cultivating of

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<v Speaker 1>acres of vegetables. And it's like squirrels and like get

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's like carnage in the harvesting your vegetables.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, in the harvesting of the food product

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<v Speaker 2>that goes to feeding cattle. You know, again, happened everywhere. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>this is impossible not to kill insects and small squirrels.

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<v Speaker 1>Squirrels and bloody ground nesting rodents.

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<v Speaker 2>And shit, it's a funny mogument, though, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to ask you. I want to ask you

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<v Speaker 1>about before we jump in to whatever it is we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about. So, how much of your shopping is online?

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<v Speaker 1>Because like a lot, we have younger listeners, but we

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<v Speaker 1>also have a lot of listeners who are kind of

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<v Speaker 1>forty five plus, and then we have a few in

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<v Speaker 1>their sixties. And I'm going to say, honestly, I've never

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<v Speaker 1>bought one thing ever in the history of me online.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never bought an online thing, which is no particular reason.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have an aversion to it. But let's say

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<v Speaker 1>you bought let's say you spent ten grand a year.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just plucking a number. How much of that ten

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<v Speaker 1>grand would you spend online?

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<v Speaker 2>Look general shopping, I time it so that I do

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<v Speaker 2>shopping on a Wednesday after my tai chi class. I

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<v Speaker 2>specifically sit up the class so I can go shopping

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<v Speaker 2>in the next town across because we don't have a

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we don't have a Coals or an Aldi

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<v Speaker 2>in our little town. And so for food shopping generally,

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<v Speaker 2>I do that fresh because and the other thing is

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<v Speaker 2>vegetables and fruit. I'm not going to get someone to

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<v Speaker 2>pre pack that and choose what I'm going to pick

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<v Speaker 2>off shelf. I like to do that myself. But technology

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<v Speaker 2>I would do totally online ups an uninterruptable power supply.

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<v Speaker 2>It's basically a big battery that sits between the wall

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<v Speaker 2>and your computer. So if the power goes out or

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<v Speaker 2>there's a brown out where the power drops, it means

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<v Speaker 2>your computer and your monitors will stay running. And also

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<v Speaker 2>it protects your computer. But I bought that online. There's

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<v Speaker 2>no way that I'd bother driving half an hour somewhere

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<v Speaker 2>to shop around and buy one. And also because a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of companies have pretty good delivery rates, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>couriers are not too bad.

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<v Speaker 1>So I fact what your impulse? What's your impulse control like?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I feel like you might see shit and go,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, look could that a drone helicopter that's

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<v Speaker 1>only ninety five dollars that can deliver my dinner? That

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<v Speaker 1>How often do you just buy shit that you didn't

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<v Speaker 1>get on line to buy, Like, it's just you see

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<v Speaker 1>something and you have no self restraint.

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<v Speaker 2>Now champagne taste on a beer budget, Crego. The problem

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<v Speaker 2>is most of the check tech that I'm interested in

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<v Speaker 2>is way too expensive. Today. For example, I was looking

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<v Speaker 2>at and actually I wasn't looking at this for myself.

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<v Speaker 2>I was looking at it as a gift for a

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<v Speaker 2>girlfriend to mine. But there's these e ink photo frames

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<v Speaker 2>that look like real painting. So it's twenty seven inches.

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<v Speaker 2>So imagine you've got a framed painting on your wall

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<v Speaker 2>and it's a stunning painting by Van Goh or something. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>it actually made of e ink, and so it's got

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<v Speaker 2>a really nice texture. It looks like it's painted on,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you can have any picture on there. You

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<v Speaker 2>can put your own photo, so it's a real step

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<v Speaker 2>up from traditional photo frames. But I think it was

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<v Speaker 2>like six one hundred and ninety nine pounds, so oh wow. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no way I was going to buy it. So

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of drawol over a lot of tech, but

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<v Speaker 2>I don't. I think I'm pretty good with my money.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't jump in and buy stuff here. So in

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<v Speaker 2>answer to your question, I have a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>self restraint. But that's purely budgetry. If I was a billionaire,

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<v Speaker 2>to be ridiculous, i'd need multiple houses and sheds.

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<v Speaker 1>I've just been listening to the last book in the

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<v Speaker 1>terminal list while I think it's the last book the

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<v Speaker 1>Terminal List series, which is a guy called James Reese

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<v Speaker 1>is the lead character. There was a movie in a

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<v Speaker 1>TV series which was definitely nowhere near as good as

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<v Speaker 1>the books. But anyway, and in the last book, which

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<v Speaker 1>has written last year, the central character, apart from James Reese,

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<v Speaker 1>is a quantum computer called Alice. Oh my god, Oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god it is. It is a steep learning curve

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<v Speaker 1>in understanding, like for me, and that the guy who

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<v Speaker 1>wrote it, Jack Carr, I think his name is. It's

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<v Speaker 1>so brilliant section of espionage and politics and war and

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<v Speaker 1>quantum computing and personalities and fucking amazing book. Like for me,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a dude, so you know, some people might go, ah,

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<v Speaker 1>but I really liked it and too, and it's incredibly

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<v Speaker 1>researched and that the and obviously in the conversation through

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<v Speaker 1>the book, you know, they have where some some tech

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<v Speaker 1>dudes explaining to the lead character what a quantum computer

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<v Speaker 1>is and its capacity and its power, and so they're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to explain to the dumb readers like me who

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<v Speaker 1>are like, what a quantum computer? You know, It's like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like that shit when that shit becomes commonplace, We're

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<v Speaker 1>all fucked. I mean, there's going to be no security.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody's gonna like it can do so super computers, so computers,

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<v Speaker 1>and then super computing, and then quantum computing. It can

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<v Speaker 1>do what a supercomputer can do times a million, ten seconds.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh, it's the end of the world. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>be dead by then. But it ain't seemingly it seemingly

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<v Speaker 1>ain't that far away.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right. The other exciting thing though about quantum

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<v Speaker 2>computing is that it can run computational models that could

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<v Speaker 2>look at, say, combining drugs, so for example, when you're

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<v Speaker 2>doing rigorous testing of what drugs and I think the

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<v Speaker 2>future for health is that we will have tailor made

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<v Speaker 2>drugs for you and I where you don't just get

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<v Speaker 2>a script, you to look at what your genetic background

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<v Speaker 2>is and it will match the drug to whatever the

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<v Speaker 2>illness or ailment is. And the type of computer models

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<v Speaker 2>mean that they will be able to use quantum computers

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<v Speaker 2>to do computational tasks that would have taken thousands of

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<v Speaker 2>years literally, you know, and do it in such a

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<v Speaker 2>small out of time that we will be able to

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<v Speaker 2>easily tailor things like that. So I think from a

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<v Speaker 2>health perspective, the idea of quantum computing to help with

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<v Speaker 2>drug research is going to be phenomenal. It's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be amazing to.

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<v Speaker 1>See all personalized medicine. It's already happening. It's already happening

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Denise Finess from Coinslane that we have on all

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<v Speaker 1>the time. So what they do is, and she does this,

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<v Speaker 1>they literally sample your DNA and build you build your

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<v Speaker 1>medicine in inverted commas. Now whether or not that's a

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<v Speaker 1>drug or a supplement or or you know, some kind

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<v Speaker 1>of lifestyle component or factor, but yeah, you're you're and

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<v Speaker 1>it's just going to get better and better. Where we're

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<v Speaker 1>literally going, oh, well, here's Patrick's DNA, here's Craig's DNA.

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<v Speaker 1>They've both got a headache, but they don't need the

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<v Speaker 1>same drug because they don't have the same physiology or

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<v Speaker 1>Patrick needs more energy, or Craig needs more energy, or

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<v Speaker 1>you know whatever it is. So that is that is exciting.

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<v Speaker 1>But then I think about that to us in first

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<v Speaker 1>world countries getting that, the people in the third world

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<v Speaker 1>countries are not getting that, are they?

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<v Speaker 2>And I've got to say, Katie, probably will I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>going to say hi to Katie. She sent me the

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<v Speaker 2>nicest email early in the week. Did I forward it

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<v Speaker 2>to you? So I'm sure I did. You just ignore

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<v Speaker 2>me because you tend to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>I get a lot of emails. Well, you do know

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<v Speaker 1>what was going on in my week this week, so

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<v Speaker 1>you can give me a chop out. Also, I was

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<v Speaker 1>in Queensland for two days.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you've had a pretty crap week, to be honest.

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<v Speaker 1>I spent the first two days in Queensland Monday Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 1>Then Wednesday is sitting all day in a hospital with

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<v Speaker 1>my old man, and yesterday was the first day that

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<v Speaker 1>I was back kind of on deck.

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<v Speaker 2>So actually it was two weeks ago that I think

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<v Speaker 2>of it, so it's even longer ago than that.

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<v Speaker 1>What did What did Katie say? Is Katie got a

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<v Speaker 1>hard crush on you?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Kind of. No, one not don't really. She's just

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<v Speaker 2>one of our listeners. And she said she she loves

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<v Speaker 2>this segment makes her laugh a lot and she can't

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<v Speaker 2>even see us.

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<v Speaker 1>How good is that? Wow? She laughed any more? Yeah, hey, Katie,

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<v Speaker 1>for you and our listeners, we might start working through

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<v Speaker 1>Patrick's list for those who are I guess we should

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<v Speaker 1>take didn't we Yeah, Patrick sends me a list of

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<v Speaker 1>shit that we talk about. I'm looking now there are

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<v Speaker 1>hang on, stop talking over me. I'll come over there

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<v Speaker 1>and jump on your bloody mobile vacuum. There's probably twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty to twenty five things on this list. Now, if

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<v Speaker 1>we talk about each for two minutes, we still don't

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<v Speaker 1>have time. What how about I love how you've introduced

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<v Speaker 1>a psychology and biology section in our tech show. You

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<v Speaker 1>know that that's my space, right.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's cutting each stuff, you know. I think?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it biology and psychology intersecting with technology? Is that

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<v Speaker 1>what you're saying? Yeah, all right, Well you start you

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<v Speaker 1>just start there wherever you want.

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<v Speaker 2>Look. I don't know about you, but one of my

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<v Speaker 2>biggest fears is meeting someone and then thirty seconds later

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<v Speaker 2>forgetting their name struck. I'm terrible with that, and I

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<v Speaker 2>really it's become a bit of almost a phobia for me,

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<v Speaker 2>because I really try hard to remember people's names. So

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<v Speaker 2>I read an article recently about little processes that you

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<v Speaker 2>can put into place, and I think most of us

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<v Speaker 2>do this is you repeat the name back. So someone

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<v Speaker 2>says Hi, Craig, and I repeat your name a few times,

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<v Speaker 2>but it can be a bit tacky as well, but

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<v Speaker 2>it actually is not a bad idea. Also, once you've

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<v Speaker 2>repeated the name, and if you're out of the room

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever, talk to yourself. You know, smart people tend

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<v Speaker 2>to talk to themselves. Do you talk to yourself much?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I talk to my dog? I don't know that

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<v Speaker 2>I talk to myself, And now that I think of it,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing it now, aren't I?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, Yeah, I talk to myself. What about you, Crago?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I do not in the sense that I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going back and forth in a two way conversation. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think that's particularly indicative indicative of mental health. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I mean, I live by myself, so I say

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<v Speaker 1>shit out loud all the time. Usually it's something like

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<v Speaker 1>you fucking idiot, you know? But yes, there was a.

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<v Speaker 2>Study published in Learning, Memory, and Cognition, and it found

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<v Speaker 2>that saying words out loud or just mouthing them even

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<v Speaker 2>can make them more distinctive and writing it to the

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<v Speaker 2>hard drive. The other thing that's really interesting in this

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<v Speaker 2>article was it talked about predicting whether you will remember.

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<v Speaker 2>So when I say to myself, I never remember people's names,

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<v Speaker 2>you're almost putting yourself into the mindset of not remembering

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<v Speaker 2>the names. So if you change that around and say, yep,

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<v Speaker 2>always remember people's names, it actually will help when it

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<v Speaker 2>goes to remembering what people's names are or you know,

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<v Speaker 2>events or bits and pieces like that. So you're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to I think replaying it. I say to my students

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<v Speaker 2>when I'm doing tai chi that even driving home, if

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<v Speaker 2>they've learned some new moves, visualizing the moves, so they've

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<v Speaker 2>just spent a session learning some new moves in a

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<v Speaker 2>new form, and then when you're driving home, just visualize

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<v Speaker 2>it and that again helps still that memory into an

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<v Speaker 2>area where you'll be able to recall it.

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<v Speaker 1>I We've had a guy makes sense. We've had a

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<v Speaker 1>guy in here a couple of times called Heston Russell,

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<v Speaker 1>which is you know Heston Russell. He's the Australian soldier.

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<v Speaker 2>That uh a man crashed on for a while.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, like super duper great soldier, got

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of there was some controversy which was

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<v Speaker 1>bullshit surrounding him. Anyway, he got totally cleared and it exonerated.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a weapon. Great dude. He's been on the show anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>his name's Heston Russell, as I said, and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know anyone called Heston, and I couldn't. A couple of

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<v Speaker 1>times I'm like down the track, I'm like, what was

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<v Speaker 1>what is his name? Because it's not like Dave or

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<v Speaker 1>Patrick or'brian, and so then I would think of Charlton

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<v Speaker 1>Heston and those old Gladiator movies. So whenever I think

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<v Speaker 1>of Heston, the first thing I think of as an

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<v Speaker 1>old Gladiator movie and I'm like, oh, it's Heston Russell, right.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think. The other thing that I do is

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<v Speaker 1>if I meet somebody and I straightway have a visual

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<v Speaker 1>association of them and another person that I know with

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<v Speaker 1>the same name, So when I see them, I always

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<v Speaker 1>remember the face of the other person, so I know

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<v Speaker 1>their name and I pick the most Like let's say

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<v Speaker 1>it's Andrew. We both know Andrew Jobbling, right, so I

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<v Speaker 1>would I would pick Jobbers's face, So I would I'd

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<v Speaker 1>go because I'm going to forget Andrew, because I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to meet thirteen people today and I'm gonna I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to get told their names, I'm going to shake their hand,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I'm going to see them this afternoon at

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<v Speaker 1>this conference, and I'm gonna have no fucking clue, So

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<v Speaker 1>I always have a for me, that's what. Yeah, Because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like you, just trying to remember a name with

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<v Speaker 1>no kind of association to anything else. I struggle. But

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<v Speaker 1>if I can link that that that person's face with

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<v Speaker 1>another person's face that I know, well, then problem solved

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<v Speaker 1>for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Except if you're doing a lineup, and then you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to be really shit because you're going to be fingering

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<v Speaker 2>the wrong person.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know I was talking to I was talking

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<v Speaker 1>to somebody yesterday about you know, those those guys and girls.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know that I've seen a female mentalist, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure they are. But a couple of guys that

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen. There was a guy who came to Melbourne

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of years ago. If you've not seen him,

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<v Speaker 1>here is fucking incredible. His name is Leorshad l Io R. Soushad.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a mentalist and he did all this incredible stuff

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<v Speaker 1>on stage, you know, all this mind blowing stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>I won't go into because it's not the show. But

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<v Speaker 1>one thing that he did do was at the start

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<v Speaker 1>of the show. So it's all just a room full

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<v Speaker 1>of strangers and some friends of mine. Their daughter was

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<v Speaker 1>there and she's her name's Jenna, and she's a pharmacist.

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<v Speaker 1>Right anyway, So he just picked one hundred people. He

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<v Speaker 1>went through the audience in about I don't know, three minutes,

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<v Speaker 1>and he went like he'd point at you and you'd

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<v Speaker 1>stand up, you'd say my name's Patrick, I'm a tech guy, whatever, right,

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<v Speaker 1>or I'd build whatever the fuck right? Thanks, and then

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<v Speaker 1>the next person. He did this with one hundred people

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<v Speaker 1>and then he went thanks, sit down, literally one hundred,

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<v Speaker 1>not like twenty, literally one hundred. That was the point

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<v Speaker 1>of the exercise. Then he did the show, which was

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<v Speaker 1>like two hours, and then we're all about to go

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<v Speaker 1>home and we've forgotten and he goes, hang on before

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<v Speaker 1>we go, and then he went through one hundred people,

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<v Speaker 1>said their name and their job and made zero mistakes.

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<v Speaker 1>Two hours later.

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't do it four people.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, that is I mean, I know that's not magic,

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<v Speaker 1>but that is some fucking cognitive capacity that that dude.

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<v Speaker 1>And also you think, when you think about this stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>you think brain actually has this ability, but we don't

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<v Speaker 1>know how to use it or how to It's not

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<v Speaker 1>like his brain is.

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<v Speaker 2>A special rain.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure he's smart. Anyway, have you ever had this experience?

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<v Speaker 1>Then I'll shut up, because I listen to a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of books, right and when I and a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>music when I'm walking, and every day I walk for

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<v Speaker 1>probably the best part of two hours every day, and

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes I'll hear something i'm listening, and then I get

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<v Speaker 1>back home and I do my shit, and then I

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<v Speaker 1>hear that same thing again, and I remember exactly where

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<v Speaker 1>I was on my walk when I heard that bit,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I remember out of the you know, the ten

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<v Speaker 1>kilometers that I've covered, exactly within two meters where I

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<v Speaker 1>was when I heard that bit, even though I wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>consciously mapping anything. You're like, Oh, that shit is in

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<v Speaker 1>my brain. I just need to figure out how to

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<v Speaker 1>get to it.

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<v Speaker 2>I find that with smells. I can occasionally, and it

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<v Speaker 2>might be a seasonal thing, but I'll get a certain

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<v Speaker 2>smell and it will be so strong it will take

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<v Speaker 2>me back to a memory of when I was eleven

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<v Speaker 2>years old. At the age of ten, I flew to

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<v Speaker 2>Malta with my mum. She took the boys and we

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<v Speaker 2>went to Malta, which is where my parents are from,

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<v Speaker 2>and We spent our eleventh birthday there, so we were

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<v Speaker 2>ten and we turned to eleven. We were there for

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<v Speaker 2>six weeks, and there's some smell on I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>it to a bakery smell or something, but it is

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<v Speaker 2>so powerful it takes me right back there visually and emotionally.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know I may have mentioned this previously,

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<v Speaker 2>but one of the things that they say can actually

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<v Speaker 2>help with recall and memory is Spearmint is one of

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<v Speaker 2>those recall sense and if you have a confuser and

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<v Speaker 2>you put it on for two hours as you go

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<v Speaker 2>to bed, that can help with memory recall. Yeah, that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>And the other thing I was just the last thing

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to say about this memory recall is

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<v Speaker 2>closing your eyes for two minutes. This was a study

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<v Speaker 2>published in Nature Review, and it found that just two

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<v Speaker 2>minutes of rest. So that's just your eyes and zoning

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<v Speaker 2>out for two minutes. And I do that every now

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<v Speaker 2>and again intentionally, but I just you know, you close

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<v Speaker 2>your eyes and just hold that for two minutes can

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<v Speaker 2>have an amazing restorative effect, which is great. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's kind of so interesting. I think another thing that

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<v Speaker 2>occurred to me. I was going to talk about this

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<v Speaker 2>later in the show, but I guess we're kind of

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<v Speaker 2>on the same trend full moons. You know, I worked

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<v Speaker 2>as a journalist for many years. I did breakfast radio,

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<v Speaker 2>and there was always this story that went around with

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<v Speaker 2>the police and the ambos that whenever it was a

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<v Speaker 2>full moon on a weekend there was more crime.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's not a that's true. I can talk to this,

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<v Speaker 1>but go on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So I was reading up on this during the

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<v Speaker 2>week and what they think maybe a big factor is

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<v Speaker 2>that when there's a full moon, there's a lot more

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<v Speaker 2>light leading up to the full moon and after the

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<v Speaker 2>full moon. And they've studied people's sleep patterns and they've

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<v Speaker 2>found that leading up and then during a full moon,

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<v Speaker 2>people sleep about twenty minutes less and they think that

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<v Speaker 2>can be a contributing factor in the way that people

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<v Speaker 2>are acting a little bit differently. And even the term

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<v Speaker 2>lunar tic came from the whole idea of lunar influence.

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<v Speaker 2>So what's your take on it, Craigo.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm just I'm seeing what why do people behave

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<v Speaker 1>weird around full moons? Let's see what chat GPT says.

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<v Speaker 1>But while he's getting that up, so I I, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I did a gig at a I need to be

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<v Speaker 1>careful how I say this, this is just true. But

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<v Speaker 1>at a school with school teachers for who worked with

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<v Speaker 1>special needs kids, yep. And I was just going through

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<v Speaker 1>and the head head mistress what do you call them,

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<v Speaker 1>the principle, She was showing me through the place and

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<v Speaker 1>she was talking to me about everything, and she said

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<v Speaker 1>something about I said, how are the kids? And like

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<v Speaker 1>is at heart? Do they hard work? And that all

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<v Speaker 1>the teachers love them? She loved them. She's like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>she said, apart from a few days like around a

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<v Speaker 1>full moon. Like it's I'm like what She goes, Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like what do you mean? She's like things just happen,

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<v Speaker 1>like not with everybody, but with some. Okay, So Chatters says,

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<v Speaker 1>good question, Craig, Thanks Chatters. I love how chat always

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<v Speaker 1>builds up myself esteem. Health funny. Health funny is Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It's always telling me, like sometimes I'll put up something

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, like, what what do you think of

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<v Speaker 1>this paragraph? Or what do you go that's brilliant? It

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<v Speaker 1>tells me I'm brilliant. It's like my best friend. A

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<v Speaker 1>good question and one that's been debated. Here's a breakdown

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<v Speaker 1>of what's really going on. The belief centuries people have

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<v Speaker 1>linked full moons with strange human behavior, more accidents, fights, births, crime,

0:22:52.960 --> 0:22:58.320
<v Speaker 1>hospital admissions, even lunacy. As referenced by Patrick James Bonello, Cops, nurses,

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<v Speaker 1>and emergency workers often where the full moon makes people

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<v Speaker 1>act up. Most large scale studies have found no consistent

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<v Speaker 1>causal link between lunar phases and human behavior. A few

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<v Speaker 1>studies have shown correlations, like small upticks in er visits,

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<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah. The effect is psychology. The effect is

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<v Speaker 1>mostly perceptual and cognitive, so it seems like maybe bottom line,

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<v Speaker 1>here we go, people don't actually behave weirder because of

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<v Speaker 1>the full moon, but they might perceive themselves as and

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<v Speaker 1>others as weird to behave accordingly and confirm their own expectations.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not lunar gravity messing with us. It's cognitive gravity.

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<v Speaker 1>I love how it says to me at the bottom,

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<v Speaker 1>would you like me to write a short Craig style

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram post? It knows me so well.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm good, thanks. I can write my own bum

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<v Speaker 2>yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah yeah, I can write my own shit, or

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<v Speaker 1>I made back on our list.

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<v Speaker 2>I apologize, Oh no, that was interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like this one interests me that maybe my HD,

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<v Speaker 1>my ultra HDTV is too good for my shitty eyes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, isn't this fascinating? So there was a study recently

0:24:15.720 --> 0:24:20.240
<v Speaker 2>undertaken and it looked at high definition televisions. So you've

0:24:20.280 --> 0:24:23.800
<v Speaker 2>got standard definition high definition, then you've got four K

0:24:23.960 --> 0:24:27.040
<v Speaker 2>and eight K. So four K is basically four times

0:24:27.359 --> 0:24:30.720
<v Speaker 2>high definition eight K eight times So the resolution just

0:24:30.800 --> 0:24:34.840
<v Speaker 2>basically means that the screen has more dots on it,

0:24:34.880 --> 0:24:37.920
<v Speaker 2>which makes the image sharper. You know, on Apple devices

0:24:37.960 --> 0:24:40.240
<v Speaker 2>they called it a retina display. You know, it's so

0:24:40.920 --> 0:24:44.000
<v Speaker 2>sharp that you won't believe that it's not real, you

0:24:44.080 --> 0:24:44.560
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean?

0:24:44.800 --> 0:24:47.040
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, Yeah, yeah, I think I.

0:24:46.960 --> 0:24:51.199
<v Speaker 2>Was making fun of Appaule then. But what scientists did

0:24:51.359 --> 0:24:54.040
<v Speaker 2>was they really looked at what our limit is in

0:24:54.119 --> 0:24:57.760
<v Speaker 2>terms of being able to see the amount of pixels,

0:24:58.160 --> 0:25:04.240
<v Speaker 2>and effectively, the the ultra high definition TVs look no

0:25:04.440 --> 0:25:06.320
<v Speaker 2>different when you're sitting on a couch two and a

0:25:06.359 --> 0:25:10.400
<v Speaker 2>half meters away than the standard definition TV. And there's

0:25:10.440 --> 0:25:12.680
<v Speaker 2>even a formula they've got so you can say, okay,

0:25:12.720 --> 0:25:14.920
<v Speaker 2>if I'm going to go and buy an eighty inch

0:25:14.960 --> 0:25:18.320
<v Speaker 2>screen and I'm going to sit three meters away from it.

0:25:18.560 --> 0:25:23.199
<v Speaker 2>What's the optimal kind of viewing density of pixels? And

0:25:23.240 --> 0:25:25.200
<v Speaker 2>they found that it's just not as much So an

0:25:25.200 --> 0:25:27.399
<v Speaker 2>AK screen. You might as well buy a four K

0:25:27.520 --> 0:25:29.920
<v Speaker 2>screen for what you're going to be seeing. The thing

0:25:29.960 --> 0:25:33.640
<v Speaker 2>with new tech, though, is the true blacks. I think

0:25:33.680 --> 0:25:35.960
<v Speaker 2>the thing that always visually is stunning for me to

0:25:36.000 --> 0:25:38.080
<v Speaker 2>see when I look at a high screen television is

0:25:38.400 --> 0:25:41.399
<v Speaker 2>when the blacks look really like they're black, not kind

0:25:41.440 --> 0:25:42.120
<v Speaker 2>of grayed out.

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<v Speaker 1>You have, Yeah, no, I have the true blacks. Could

0:25:47.720 --> 0:25:50.840
<v Speaker 1>you explain to that, because a myriad of things went

0:25:50.880 --> 0:25:54.440
<v Speaker 1>through my mind? Yeah, I don't know what you mean,

0:25:54.480 --> 0:25:57.119
<v Speaker 1>and I'm pretty sure half the audience doesn't. Oh the

0:25:57.160 --> 0:26:01.680
<v Speaker 1>true blacks. Yeah, it sounds like you're ing dangerous territory.

0:26:01.800 --> 0:26:05.920
<v Speaker 2>So you see colors on a screen, they are pay

0:26:06.200 --> 0:26:08.879
<v Speaker 2>by pixels, and then when the pixels turn off, the

0:26:09.320 --> 0:26:12.360
<v Speaker 2>black color. So if you had a night sky and

0:26:12.400 --> 0:26:17.240
<v Speaker 2>you had a galaxy of stars, the difference between the

0:26:17.280 --> 0:26:21.199
<v Speaker 2>real dark pixels of the black and then the tiny

0:26:21.280 --> 0:26:24.400
<v Speaker 2>lights will make a big difference in terms of that

0:26:24.560 --> 0:26:26.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, the contrast and make it look more vivid

0:26:27.080 --> 0:26:28.960
<v Speaker 2>because the one is so dark. And that's what I

0:26:28.960 --> 0:26:29.600
<v Speaker 2>was referring to.

0:26:30.119 --> 0:26:31.919
<v Speaker 1>Do you know at the opposite end of this scale,

0:26:31.960 --> 0:26:35.400
<v Speaker 1>Patrick James, do you remember, I'm sure you saw it

0:26:35.480 --> 0:26:38.200
<v Speaker 1>when I had a rear data projection TV that had

0:26:38.200 --> 0:26:39.560
<v Speaker 1>about eight pixels.

0:26:40.080 --> 0:26:42.159
<v Speaker 2>It was, but it was gigantic. It was like it

0:26:42.320 --> 0:26:44.399
<v Speaker 2>was it was like, I don't know how big was

0:26:44.440 --> 0:26:46.000
<v Speaker 2>It was enormous, wasn't it.

0:26:46.000 --> 0:26:48.440
<v Speaker 1>It was like a Hi Jundai with a screen it

0:26:48.520 --> 0:26:51.760
<v Speaker 1>was like. And not only was it huge to look at,

0:26:52.200 --> 0:26:56.040
<v Speaker 1>it was like a meter deep as well. It was

0:26:56.080 --> 0:26:59.000
<v Speaker 1>the opposite of a flat screen. It was a fat screen.

0:26:58.800 --> 0:27:01.120
<v Speaker 2>And it was just you did a putty open.

0:27:02.480 --> 0:27:05.040
<v Speaker 1>So in the olden days, everyone they used to have,

0:27:05.119 --> 0:27:07.040
<v Speaker 1>well the olden days they had black and white TV

0:27:07.560 --> 0:27:13.000
<v Speaker 1>Phillips twenty inch. But so in the as we entered

0:27:13.000 --> 0:27:15.600
<v Speaker 1>into the more modern era, they developed thing called a

0:27:15.640 --> 0:27:19.919
<v Speaker 1>rear data projection TV. But and it was enormous, Like

0:27:19.960 --> 0:27:22.800
<v Speaker 1>the screen was probably I don't know, seventy inches, which

0:27:22.840 --> 0:27:25.360
<v Speaker 1>is not enormous now, but it's still pretty enormous. But

0:27:25.400 --> 0:27:28.000
<v Speaker 1>in order to see anything, you had to sit pretty

0:27:28.080 --> 0:27:30.960
<v Speaker 1>much directly in front of the TV. If you sat

0:27:31.040 --> 0:27:35.879
<v Speaker 1>to one side in a duck that's right on a bright.

0:27:36.080 --> 0:27:38.600
<v Speaker 1>I remember the boys came over once to my joint

0:27:38.640 --> 0:27:40.800
<v Speaker 1>to watch the Grand Final on a Saturday at two

0:27:41.000 --> 0:27:44.880
<v Speaker 1>till you made them sit on your lap exactly exactly.

0:27:44.920 --> 0:27:46.639
<v Speaker 1>I did dark in the room and said sit on

0:27:46.640 --> 0:27:49.119
<v Speaker 1>my lap. Stop it. That was your joint on Grand

0:27:49.160 --> 0:27:52.520
<v Speaker 1>Final day. And that was just that was just the

0:27:52.520 --> 0:27:53.119
<v Speaker 1>one guest.

0:27:54.640 --> 0:27:57.880
<v Speaker 2>Hey. You know, that's an interesting thing though, because I've

0:27:58.440 --> 0:28:01.639
<v Speaker 2>not bought a brand new television for about twenty years,

0:28:02.119 --> 0:28:04.679
<v Speaker 2>and I know the first indication that's going to come

0:28:04.720 --> 0:28:06.560
<v Speaker 2>to the top of mind is that I'm a tight ass.

0:28:06.680 --> 0:28:09.080
<v Speaker 2>So I did buy a rear projection TV from a

0:28:09.119 --> 0:28:11.480
<v Speaker 2>mate for three hundred bucks. He was offloading it, so

0:28:11.520 --> 0:28:13.399
<v Speaker 2>I thought, yeah, oh, buy that. So that was the

0:28:13.400 --> 0:28:15.760
<v Speaker 2>first TV I had at my house here when I

0:28:15.800 --> 0:28:18.719
<v Speaker 2>moved to the Lands seven eight years ago. The reason

0:28:18.760 --> 0:28:21.040
<v Speaker 2>being is that people get rid of perfectly good televisions

0:28:21.040 --> 0:28:22.280
<v Speaker 2>all the time because I want to go to the

0:28:22.320 --> 0:28:27.000
<v Speaker 2>latest and greatest EKTV that they can't see. But one

0:28:27.000 --> 0:28:28.879
<v Speaker 2>of the things that I've kind of thought through and

0:28:28.920 --> 0:28:31.720
<v Speaker 2>I have bought a data projector. And the thing is,

0:28:32.080 --> 0:28:35.600
<v Speaker 2>data projectors are great because if you're about to go

0:28:35.640 --> 0:28:38.280
<v Speaker 2>to I think what LG might have just released a

0:28:38.360 --> 0:28:41.840
<v Speaker 2>one hundred and thirty inch screen. It's ridiculous, it's so big.

0:28:43.720 --> 0:28:47.520
<v Speaker 2>So the problem is what happens to that one hundred

0:28:47.520 --> 0:28:50.200
<v Speaker 2>and thirty inch screen when you're going to offload it,

0:28:50.280 --> 0:28:52.840
<v Speaker 2>when it eventually dies. There's a lot of waste there.

0:28:53.360 --> 0:28:56.320
<v Speaker 2>But if you're using a data projector, they're small, they've

0:28:56.320 --> 0:28:58.640
<v Speaker 2>got a little lamp in them, and now they're using

0:28:58.720 --> 0:29:03.480
<v Speaker 2>lasers for them, so they look phenomenally good. And one

0:29:03.480 --> 0:29:05.440
<v Speaker 2>of the things you can do now is you get

0:29:05.440 --> 0:29:08.840
<v Speaker 2>a screen or on your wall. You have a special

0:29:08.920 --> 0:29:14.320
<v Speaker 2>screen that reflects the ambient light away and it reflects

0:29:14.440 --> 0:29:17.840
<v Speaker 2>back to you what's being projected onto it. So you

0:29:17.840 --> 0:29:20.640
<v Speaker 2>can look at a data projector now in a brightly

0:29:20.720 --> 0:29:23.720
<v Speaker 2>lit room and it looks like a TV screen in

0:29:23.840 --> 0:29:27.520
<v Speaker 2>terms of the brightness and luminosity because it reflects away

0:29:27.600 --> 0:29:30.000
<v Speaker 2>the light you don't want, and it throws the light

0:29:30.040 --> 0:29:32.560
<v Speaker 2>from the projector towards you, so it looks really bright.

0:29:33.640 --> 0:29:37.560
<v Speaker 1>Luminosity. There's a word you don't hear everybody, not every day. No,

0:29:37.600 --> 0:29:43.760
<v Speaker 1>you Patrick just wheels it out. Like my question with

0:29:43.840 --> 0:29:47.640
<v Speaker 1>that is you can't watch TV on that though, right,

0:29:47.800 --> 0:29:48.840
<v Speaker 1>can you or can.

0:29:48.640 --> 0:29:49.920
<v Speaker 2>You watch anything on it?

0:29:50.960 --> 0:29:54.480
<v Speaker 1>Well, I don't understand. It's how do you watch TV

0:29:54.560 --> 0:29:57.440
<v Speaker 1>without an actual TV now using a projector? So use

0:29:57.480 --> 0:29:58.280
<v Speaker 1>a data projector.

0:29:58.320 --> 0:30:01.760
<v Speaker 2>But because it's projecting onto a screen, so it's the

0:30:01.760 --> 0:30:02.320
<v Speaker 2>most people.

0:30:02.680 --> 0:30:05.000
<v Speaker 1>But where does the TV signal come from?

0:30:05.320 --> 0:30:07.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, from the well in your data projector. You can

0:30:07.800 --> 0:30:09.960
<v Speaker 2>either use Chrome cast or you can plug a laptop

0:30:09.960 --> 0:30:11.960
<v Speaker 2>into it or a lot of them now are smart

0:30:12.000 --> 0:30:15.280
<v Speaker 2>projectors that have apps built into them. So you can

0:30:15.400 --> 0:30:17.640
<v Speaker 2>turn on your projector and it's got Netflix and all

0:30:17.680 --> 0:30:18.920
<v Speaker 2>the other apps that go with it.

0:30:19.160 --> 0:30:21.479
<v Speaker 1>No, but I mean tally Channel seven News? Can I

0:30:21.520 --> 0:30:24.239
<v Speaker 1>watch that on it? They have streaming platforms too, don't they.

0:30:24.240 --> 0:30:28.160
<v Speaker 1>You've got Ivie for ABC. Yeah, but that's yeah, Okay,

0:30:28.320 --> 0:30:32.520
<v Speaker 1>that's cool. All right. Tell We've spoken about this a

0:30:32.520 --> 0:30:35.760
<v Speaker 1>bit on this show, but tell us about some research

0:30:35.800 --> 0:30:39.680
<v Speaker 1>that's come out about the downside of wearing fitness trackers

0:30:39.800 --> 0:30:41.440
<v Speaker 1>and the like. Yeah.

0:30:42.040 --> 0:30:44.840
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's funny because Tiff had this conversation with

0:30:45.040 --> 0:30:48.400
<v Speaker 2>a few episodes ago how she was obsessed with tracking

0:30:48.480 --> 0:30:50.360
<v Speaker 2>her blood sugar, wasn't she at one point?

0:30:50.800 --> 0:30:53.600
<v Speaker 1>Well, and that proved to be a somewhat, you know,

0:30:53.720 --> 0:30:56.760
<v Speaker 1>borderline catastrophic for her because it was talent, it was

0:30:56.760 --> 0:31:00.320
<v Speaker 1>giving her erroneous data and which led her to nearly

0:31:00.320 --> 0:31:04.400
<v Speaker 1>go nuts and also thinks she was diabetic.

0:31:05.080 --> 0:31:07.440
<v Speaker 2>Well, the problem with a lot of these fitness trackers,

0:31:07.440 --> 0:31:10.800
<v Speaker 2>aside from accuracy, is they can get us into a

0:31:10.880 --> 0:31:14.320
<v Speaker 2>sense of non achieving if we don't reach our goals,

0:31:14.320 --> 0:31:18.240
<v Speaker 2>to the point where people feel shame if they haven't

0:31:18.240 --> 0:31:20.480
<v Speaker 2>reached their goals, because it's one thing, you know, the

0:31:20.520 --> 0:31:22.680
<v Speaker 2>first week, get really into it and you're going to

0:31:22.680 --> 0:31:25.239
<v Speaker 2>do your ten thousand steps, but then what happens if

0:31:25.240 --> 0:31:27.920
<v Speaker 2>you only get nine thousand or seven thousand one day

0:31:28.360 --> 0:31:31.080
<v Speaker 2>and then suddenly there's a sense of shame. And so

0:31:31.200 --> 0:31:35.160
<v Speaker 2>experts at our University College in London they analyzed a

0:31:35.160 --> 0:31:38.640
<v Speaker 2>whole lot of posts on x and we're talking fifty

0:31:38.680 --> 0:31:42.400
<v Speaker 2>eight thousand posts then, and that was people who were

0:31:42.400 --> 0:31:46.400
<v Speaker 2>posting specifically about using fitness apps. And then what they

0:31:46.440 --> 0:31:49.040
<v Speaker 2>did was they filtered down all the posts and looked

0:31:49.040 --> 0:31:51.360
<v Speaker 2>for all the negative sentiments and it ended up there

0:31:51.400 --> 0:31:55.040
<v Speaker 2>are about thirteen thousand, seven hundred and ninety nine posts

0:31:55.240 --> 0:31:58.479
<v Speaker 2>that were particularly negative. And what the research has found

0:31:58.480 --> 0:32:02.560
<v Speaker 2>that people felt shame when they logged unhealthy foods or

0:32:02.800 --> 0:32:06.360
<v Speaker 2>irritation by notification sent by the app, you know, and

0:32:06.400 --> 0:32:10.480
<v Speaker 2>there's this overwhelming feeling of disappointment when they weren't able

0:32:10.560 --> 0:32:14.640
<v Speaker 2>to meet their goals. So tracking our goals is good,

0:32:14.960 --> 0:32:17.800
<v Speaker 2>but it can have a really negative detrimental effect if

0:32:17.800 --> 0:32:19.720
<v Speaker 2>it puts us under a lot of pressure and then

0:32:19.760 --> 0:32:22.760
<v Speaker 2>suddenly we don't perform to the expectation set by an

0:32:22.880 --> 0:32:25.680
<v Speaker 2>arbitrary device that's got a number on it that we

0:32:25.720 --> 0:32:26.480
<v Speaker 2>haven't achieved.

0:32:27.240 --> 0:32:31.640
<v Speaker 1>That's such a philosophical kind of quogmire. It's like, I

0:32:31.720 --> 0:32:35.240
<v Speaker 1>know exactly what you're saying, am I is a little

0:32:35.240 --> 0:32:38.600
<v Speaker 1>bit of shame terrible. I mean, yeah, there's a little

0:32:38.600 --> 0:32:40.800
<v Speaker 1>bit of shame. Is a little bit of like, hey, harps,

0:32:40.880 --> 0:32:42.760
<v Speaker 1>you said you would do this thing and you didn't.

0:32:43.240 --> 0:32:46.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. It's like because somebody might respond like that,

0:32:46.760 --> 0:32:48.560
<v Speaker 1>and all of a sudden there's shame and now they

0:32:48.640 --> 0:32:51.840
<v Speaker 1>feel a bit flat and they emotionally spiral. Totally get that.

0:32:52.400 --> 0:32:54.600
<v Speaker 1>But then somebody else gets the same data and they go,

0:32:54.680 --> 0:32:57.239
<v Speaker 1>fucking hell, I've got to do better tomorrow. Yeah, Like,

0:32:57.640 --> 0:33:00.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't know that it's the number that cause is

0:33:00.280 --> 0:33:04.280
<v Speaker 1>the response as much as it is an individual reaction

0:33:04.520 --> 0:33:08.880
<v Speaker 1>to the number, Like you know, I might because I'm

0:33:08.920 --> 0:33:11.560
<v Speaker 1>that person, Like, well, I don't spiral, but yeah, I've

0:33:11.600 --> 0:33:13.840
<v Speaker 1>got to do rock bottom ten thousand steps a day.

0:33:13.960 --> 0:33:15.080
<v Speaker 1>Of course I don't have to.

0:33:15.680 --> 0:33:16.320
<v Speaker 2>I choose to.

0:33:18.400 --> 0:33:21.520
<v Speaker 1>But for me, for the most part, that works and

0:33:21.560 --> 0:33:25.320
<v Speaker 1>there's no anxiety or shame around it. But I think

0:33:25.440 --> 0:33:29.440
<v Speaker 1>I can totally understand this. But I you know, this

0:33:29.520 --> 0:33:33.720
<v Speaker 1>is where I think it's like that intersection of having

0:33:34.000 --> 0:33:37.040
<v Speaker 1>kind of rules if you want, or structure or processes

0:33:37.080 --> 0:33:40.080
<v Speaker 1>that work for you, but also not beating yourself up.

0:33:40.080 --> 0:33:41.760
<v Speaker 1>If you don't hit your KPI every.

0:33:41.680 --> 0:33:44.120
<v Speaker 2>Day, you know, you don't how bad it is with me.

0:33:44.280 --> 0:33:47.880
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes I got one for Fritz, my dog, So I

0:33:47.920 --> 0:33:49.800
<v Speaker 2>had a GPS tracker on him, and then I was

0:33:49.880 --> 0:33:53.600
<v Speaker 2>tracking every day how much exercise he was doing.

0:33:54.280 --> 0:33:57.880
<v Speaker 1>You have got issues, you got so are you? Are

0:33:57.920 --> 0:34:00.240
<v Speaker 1>you tracking your dog's steps per day?

0:34:00.680 --> 0:34:03.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's wrong with you.

0:34:04.200 --> 0:34:07.000
<v Speaker 1>His legs are only fucking four inches long. Give him

0:34:07.000 --> 0:34:11.160
<v Speaker 1>a break. He's like, every time you go and you

0:34:11.280 --> 0:34:14.359
<v Speaker 1>do a five thousand step walk, he's done seventy two

0:34:14.440 --> 0:34:19.040
<v Speaker 1>thousand steps. Because you're a fucking giant compared to him,

0:34:19.080 --> 0:34:20.160
<v Speaker 1>and that's saying something.

0:34:22.600 --> 0:34:25.279
<v Speaker 2>It does sound a little obsessive, doesn't it. No. I

0:34:25.680 --> 0:34:29.000
<v Speaker 2>got it specifically because it as a GPS built into it.

0:34:29.200 --> 0:34:31.000
<v Speaker 2>And it means when we go hiking, because I like

0:34:31.040 --> 0:34:33.040
<v Speaker 2>to have him off lee and he loves running around

0:34:33.080 --> 0:34:37.719
<v Speaker 2>and exploring the world in general and chasing things. But

0:34:38.480 --> 0:34:40.120
<v Speaker 2>it also means that I can find him. So if

0:34:40.160 --> 0:34:42.040
<v Speaker 2>he goes wandering off in the bush and I want

0:34:42.040 --> 0:34:44.560
<v Speaker 2>to find where he is, I can easily use my

0:34:44.680 --> 0:34:46.040
<v Speaker 2>GPS tracker on him.

0:34:46.600 --> 0:34:50.040
<v Speaker 1>Patrick cracks his dogs steps and do you ever have

0:34:50.080 --> 0:34:52.120
<v Speaker 1>a talk to him if he doesn't get enough steps in?

0:34:52.160 --> 0:34:54.879
<v Speaker 1>Do you kind of tell him he's getting a bit

0:34:54.920 --> 0:34:56.040
<v Speaker 1>thick around the middrift.

0:34:58.800 --> 0:35:01.120
<v Speaker 2>I just take him out from of a walk or

0:35:01.120 --> 0:35:03.400
<v Speaker 2>Agett's toy out and we run around on the lounge

0:35:03.480 --> 0:35:04.720
<v Speaker 2>room playing fetch.

0:35:05.440 --> 0:35:09.080
<v Speaker 1>Can we jump into something non biological and psychological seeing

0:35:09.120 --> 0:35:12.160
<v Speaker 1>as we're around twenty minutes around twenty minutes from the

0:35:12.160 --> 0:35:15.080
<v Speaker 1>finished line, So you just take up wherever you want

0:35:15.120 --> 0:35:15.640
<v Speaker 1>to take up.

0:35:16.080 --> 0:35:19.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh sure, okay, I know there's still a lot of

0:35:19.239 --> 0:35:21.120
<v Speaker 2>people out there. In fact, it's thought there might be

0:35:21.160 --> 0:35:24.759
<v Speaker 2>as many as about eighty four percent of people who

0:35:24.880 --> 0:35:28.959
<v Speaker 2>are potentially listening to this who are still running Windows ten.

0:35:29.760 --> 0:35:35.040
<v Speaker 2>So just recently Microsoft ended support for Windows ten, which

0:35:35.080 --> 0:35:37.719
<v Speaker 2>means that you're not going to be getting any security updates.

0:35:37.760 --> 0:35:42.520
<v Speaker 2>But there's a real disconnect there because Microsoft basically came

0:35:42.560 --> 0:35:45.279
<v Speaker 2>to an end of life of that version of Windows

0:35:45.760 --> 0:35:48.440
<v Speaker 2>and eventually software is going to run out. But the

0:35:48.480 --> 0:35:50.520
<v Speaker 2>problem for a lot of people is what do we

0:35:50.600 --> 0:35:53.759
<v Speaker 2>do now? So there isn't opt in where you can

0:35:53.800 --> 0:35:56.960
<v Speaker 2>get an extra twelve months of support and you go

0:35:57.040 --> 0:36:00.000
<v Speaker 2>into your settings area and from settings you're able to

0:36:00.239 --> 0:36:03.680
<v Speaker 2>see whether or not that's going to be offered to you.

0:36:03.840 --> 0:36:06.520
<v Speaker 2>That's only just rolling out in Australia now, so on

0:36:06.560 --> 0:36:08.400
<v Speaker 2>some computers it will be there. You just hit the

0:36:08.400 --> 0:36:11.480
<v Speaker 2>little Windows icon and then go to the settings cog.

0:36:11.719 --> 0:36:13.440
<v Speaker 2>There's a little cog there and then you can go

0:36:13.520 --> 0:36:16.760
<v Speaker 2>in there and click on that and then it gives you,

0:36:16.760 --> 0:36:19.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, basically the system information to tell you whether

0:36:19.239 --> 0:36:22.600
<v Speaker 2>you can either go to Windows eleven. But a lot

0:36:22.640 --> 0:36:25.560
<v Speaker 2>of people won't be able to because they're hardware or

0:36:25.560 --> 0:36:28.640
<v Speaker 2>the computer itself won't be compatible with the latest version.

0:36:28.880 --> 0:36:32.239
<v Speaker 2>And that's a real problem because it could mean potentially,

0:36:32.440 --> 0:36:34.279
<v Speaker 2>you know, billions of dollars having to be spent to

0:36:34.320 --> 0:36:36.920
<v Speaker 2>replace computers. And I know in my office I've got

0:36:36.960 --> 0:36:40.000
<v Speaker 2>two computers that are running Windows ten. But the real

0:36:40.040 --> 0:36:43.799
<v Speaker 2>concern is that for those people that's such a high

0:36:43.800 --> 0:36:47.200
<v Speaker 2>percentage of people now who potentially are now got a

0:36:47.239 --> 0:36:50.319
<v Speaker 2>machine that could be vulnerable. Because when Microsoft rolls out

0:36:50.360 --> 0:36:56.120
<v Speaker 2>these what they call patches to fix potential threats or

0:36:56.160 --> 0:36:59.239
<v Speaker 2>exploit on a computer, you can't do that if you're

0:36:59.280 --> 0:37:02.400
<v Speaker 2>running Windows two unless you opt into this program to

0:37:02.440 --> 0:37:05.480
<v Speaker 2>hopefully be able to. In some cases you need to

0:37:05.560 --> 0:37:07.879
<v Speaker 2>have a subscription and you might have to pay, but

0:37:07.920 --> 0:37:10.080
<v Speaker 2>in some it might be free for the next twelve months.

0:37:10.080 --> 0:37:12.759
<v Speaker 2>But it is worth looking into to make sure that

0:37:13.360 --> 0:37:17.400
<v Speaker 2>you're not just taking for granted that your computer is working,

0:37:18.160 --> 0:37:19.799
<v Speaker 2>because you know there's stuff going on in the back

0:37:20.400 --> 0:37:20.880
<v Speaker 2>going on them.

0:37:20.960 --> 0:37:24.000
<v Speaker 1>That's a that's a Melissa job on Planet Craig. That's

0:37:24.000 --> 0:37:27.160
<v Speaker 1>a lesser responsibility. I want to hear about the twenty

0:37:27.239 --> 0:37:32.440
<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars home robot that can learn chores via teleopera.

0:37:33.040 --> 0:37:36.240
<v Speaker 1>That seems like an expensive robot. It'd want to be amazing.

0:37:36.800 --> 0:37:39.399
<v Speaker 2>The X one Neo, it's about to come out next year.

0:37:39.640 --> 0:37:41.319
<v Speaker 2>Look I'm in two minds about this.

0:37:41.440 --> 0:37:44.440
<v Speaker 1>But are you dyslexic because on my thing it says

0:37:44.440 --> 0:37:45.239
<v Speaker 1>one X neo.

0:37:46.040 --> 0:37:47.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh it is the one X. Now I am numbers

0:37:47.640 --> 0:37:50.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm actually a little bit number dyslexic. I never I'm

0:37:50.200 --> 0:37:52.520
<v Speaker 2>terrible with writing numbers down. I tend to mix the

0:37:52.560 --> 0:37:53.040
<v Speaker 2>numbers up.

0:37:53.080 --> 0:37:54.960
<v Speaker 1>But I always think I was wondering whether or not

0:37:55.080 --> 0:37:57.120
<v Speaker 1>you've got it verbally wrong or you wrote it wrong.

0:37:58.360 --> 0:37:59.239
<v Speaker 1>Is it the one X?

0:37:59.480 --> 0:38:02.239
<v Speaker 2>It is the one X, the one X neo. You're right,

0:38:03.200 --> 0:38:06.359
<v Speaker 2>that's twenty k us as well. So if you want

0:38:06.360 --> 0:38:08.719
<v Speaker 2>to buy one here in Australia, it's cost a lot

0:38:08.760 --> 0:38:09.240
<v Speaker 2>more than.

0:38:09.080 --> 0:38:11.360
<v Speaker 1>That three hundred grand in Australia.

0:38:11.640 --> 0:38:15.120
<v Speaker 2>That yeah. But the thing is they're doing pre orders

0:38:15.160 --> 0:38:20.759
<v Speaker 2>now and it is a human like robot. But for

0:38:20.840 --> 0:38:24.960
<v Speaker 2>the first few months it's going to be person operated

0:38:25.040 --> 0:38:27.759
<v Speaker 2>by someone at head office.

0:38:28.320 --> 0:38:31.520
<v Speaker 1>Fuck that somebody is going to be somebody's going to

0:38:31.520 --> 0:38:35.120
<v Speaker 1>be looking through bloody one X Neo's eyes and watching

0:38:35.160 --> 0:38:39.000
<v Speaker 1>me put on my jocks. I don't want that. Hey, yeah,

0:38:39.400 --> 0:38:41.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to have to put a bag over one

0:38:41.200 --> 0:38:46.200
<v Speaker 1>X Neo's head. You know all about that. No, so

0:38:46.239 --> 0:38:50.400
<v Speaker 1>the reason But enough about our Saturday, go on, go

0:38:50.520 --> 0:38:50.759
<v Speaker 1>for it.

0:38:51.200 --> 0:38:56.520
<v Speaker 2>No, the thing is they're using AI learning with the robot,

0:38:56.600 --> 0:38:59.480
<v Speaker 2>and they're saying that every place is different, every situation

0:38:59.600 --> 0:39:01.680
<v Speaker 2>is different, and if you want it to learn, the

0:39:01.680 --> 0:39:05.840
<v Speaker 2>best way is to have a human operator perform those tasks,

0:39:06.120 --> 0:39:09.240
<v Speaker 2>and they're helping the robot learn, so eventually you won't

0:39:09.239 --> 0:39:11.480
<v Speaker 2>need the human operator. You will be able to turn

0:39:11.520 --> 0:39:13.680
<v Speaker 2>that feature on and off. By the way, so you

0:39:13.719 --> 0:39:17.239
<v Speaker 2>can use when you go to bed not to have

0:39:17.640 --> 0:39:23.480
<v Speaker 2>your one X neo wandering around your house creepy with.

0:39:23.360 --> 0:39:26.839
<v Speaker 1>That super creepy super Imagine you wake up and that

0:39:26.920 --> 0:39:30.200
<v Speaker 1>motherfucker is just leaning over the bed looking into your face.

0:39:31.120 --> 0:39:34.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh my god, go and get me a

0:39:34.480 --> 0:39:35.200
<v Speaker 1>hot chocolate.

0:39:36.320 --> 0:39:38.120
<v Speaker 2>On the flip side, would you get a job as

0:39:38.120 --> 0:39:40.840
<v Speaker 2>a teleoperator to walk around someone's house.

0:39:40.880 --> 0:39:44.400
<v Speaker 1>No, I don't even know how that works. So you

0:39:44.520 --> 0:39:47.320
<v Speaker 1>are saying to me, this is like humanoid, Like it's

0:39:47.320 --> 0:39:49.680
<v Speaker 1>in the shape of it's not a little it's not

0:39:49.800 --> 0:39:52.760
<v Speaker 1>like R two D two. It's actually like got legs

0:39:52.760 --> 0:39:54.400
<v Speaker 1>and arms. It's like a human.

0:39:54.520 --> 0:39:57.239
<v Speaker 2>Yep, yep, and it's coming out shipping next to you.

0:39:58.480 --> 0:40:02.120
<v Speaker 1>Wow, that's you know. I don't want one of those.

0:40:02.520 --> 0:40:05.799
<v Speaker 1>I definitely don't want one of those. Tell me why

0:40:05.880 --> 0:40:10.600
<v Speaker 1>AI chatbots could be accelerating the loneliness epidemic, And might

0:40:10.640 --> 0:40:14.000
<v Speaker 1>I say before Patrick answers this everyone, there's a huge

0:40:14.000 --> 0:40:18.920
<v Speaker 1>correlation we now know between loneliness and illness and social

0:40:18.960 --> 0:40:21.879
<v Speaker 1>disconnection and illness and feeling unloved and all of that.

0:40:22.000 --> 0:40:24.880
<v Speaker 1>And so this for me is a really interesting kind

0:40:24.880 --> 0:40:29.480
<v Speaker 1>of conversation. So AI chatbots could be accelerating the loneliness

0:40:29.600 --> 0:40:32.160
<v Speaker 1>epidemic according to new research.

0:40:32.520 --> 0:40:35.239
<v Speaker 2>And this is in Australia, and this was a you

0:40:35.280 --> 0:40:39.200
<v Speaker 2>guv survey that found one in seven adults here in

0:40:39.239 --> 0:40:43.120
<v Speaker 2>Australia say that they can imagine falling in love with

0:40:43.160 --> 0:40:44.239
<v Speaker 2>an AI chatbot.

0:40:45.440 --> 0:40:46.839
<v Speaker 1>One seven did you say?

0:40:47.280 --> 0:40:49.640
<v Speaker 2>Seven reckon that they could fall in love with an

0:40:49.680 --> 0:40:53.520
<v Speaker 2>AI chatbot. And some say that they'd rather stay at

0:40:53.560 --> 0:40:56.000
<v Speaker 2>home and speak with a chatbot than go out and

0:40:56.080 --> 0:40:58.399
<v Speaker 2>interact with friends.

0:40:58.040 --> 0:41:01.880
<v Speaker 1>Here's the thing about your chatbot, right, And so with chatbot,

0:41:02.080 --> 0:41:05.200
<v Speaker 1>we're just talking about things like chat GPT or.

0:41:07.840 --> 0:41:10.719
<v Speaker 2>You have a human like face and look like you

0:41:10.719 --> 0:41:12.840
<v Speaker 2>know that if they appear on your phone and they

0:41:12.920 --> 0:41:14.959
<v Speaker 2>look like an actual person, you can interact with and.

0:41:14.880 --> 0:41:18.440
<v Speaker 1>Talk to so you know, the funny thing is I

0:41:18.560 --> 0:41:22.839
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't do that myself, but I value this is not

0:41:22.880 --> 0:41:26.080
<v Speaker 1>the right, but if we're just humanizing the language, I

0:41:26.320 --> 0:41:31.000
<v Speaker 1>value the opinion of like chat GPT and it's like,

0:41:31.040 --> 0:41:33.360
<v Speaker 1>who would have thought that? Even in twenty twenty five,

0:41:34.400 --> 0:41:38.960
<v Speaker 1>it's at a point where you can have comfortably have

0:41:39.040 --> 0:41:42.240
<v Speaker 1>a conversation with it, where you're just going back and forth.

0:41:42.280 --> 0:41:46.480
<v Speaker 1>You're asking it question. It's questions. It's asking you questions.

0:41:47.120 --> 0:41:50.200
<v Speaker 1>And I'm saying, I've got an idea for a workshop.

0:41:51.520 --> 0:41:54.000
<v Speaker 1>This is the escent, this is the nuts and bolts idea.

0:41:54.120 --> 0:41:56.040
<v Speaker 1>What do you think? Like, what are the pros and

0:41:56.040 --> 0:41:59.799
<v Speaker 1>cons of this concept? And it's like hey, Creek Greek

0:42:00.040 --> 0:42:02.000
<v Speaker 1>question right, And then we just I'm like, yeah, but

0:42:02.040 --> 0:42:04.480
<v Speaker 1>what if I did this? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, okay,

0:42:05.160 --> 0:42:08.920
<v Speaker 1>Like literally it's a conversation that's then written down and

0:42:09.000 --> 0:42:12.440
<v Speaker 1>if I want to go back, I can. Yeah, go on,

0:42:12.520 --> 0:42:13.280
<v Speaker 1>you got your fingers.

0:42:13.719 --> 0:42:15.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to ask you a question I want you

0:42:15.200 --> 0:42:17.840
<v Speaker 2>to think about before you answer this. Okay, no shooting

0:42:17.880 --> 0:42:19.200
<v Speaker 2>at the hip. I want you to think about this.

0:42:19.880 --> 0:42:22.880
<v Speaker 2>If I came around to your place tomorrow and I

0:42:23.000 --> 0:42:25.520
<v Speaker 2>said I'm going to flip the switch and you will

0:42:25.640 --> 0:42:29.600
<v Speaker 2>never be able to use AI ever again. Yes, how

0:42:29.600 --> 0:42:33.520
<v Speaker 2>would you feel to not have because if it feels

0:42:33.560 --> 0:42:35.880
<v Speaker 2>to me when we talk about this, it feels to

0:42:35.920 --> 0:42:39.319
<v Speaker 2>me like you've got a relationship forming between you and

0:42:39.400 --> 0:42:39.920
<v Speaker 2>your AI.

0:42:40.719 --> 0:42:43.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, No, not in that sense at all. For me,

0:42:43.680 --> 0:42:47.400
<v Speaker 1>it's just the most amazing fucking resource I've had to

0:42:47.440 --> 0:42:50.319
<v Speaker 1>be able to get stuff done and do stuff like.

0:42:50.360 --> 0:42:54.520
<v Speaker 1>There's no emotional attachment other than like to me, it's

0:42:54.640 --> 0:42:58.800
<v Speaker 1>just a really really valuable resource to be able to

0:42:58.840 --> 0:43:03.560
<v Speaker 1>get stuff done and to accelerate productivity and efficiency. So

0:43:04.000 --> 0:43:07.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't talk to it for emotional support or no.

0:43:08.200 --> 0:43:10.640
<v Speaker 2>But earlier in the show, you said you like the

0:43:10.680 --> 0:43:14.360
<v Speaker 2>affirmations it gives you. Of course, question crank.

0:43:14.200 --> 0:43:17.800
<v Speaker 1>Course, you know that's look I mean when it tells

0:43:17.840 --> 0:43:21.120
<v Speaker 1>me how smart I am. You know I'm going to say,

0:43:21.200 --> 0:43:27.279
<v Speaker 1>of course, But would I be disappointed? Very? But not

0:43:27.480 --> 0:43:30.759
<v Speaker 1>because of that, Like I'm well aware that I'm not

0:43:30.800 --> 0:43:33.120
<v Speaker 1>talking to a human. I'm well aware that I'm talking

0:43:33.160 --> 0:43:36.480
<v Speaker 1>to AI. You know, there's no there's no delusion on

0:43:36.520 --> 0:43:40.600
<v Speaker 1>my part. But what I do like is that whether

0:43:40.680 --> 0:43:43.239
<v Speaker 1>or not we call it a conversation because it's not

0:43:43.280 --> 0:43:46.520
<v Speaker 1>between two humans is we'll put an asterisk next to that.

0:43:47.200 --> 0:43:51.400
<v Speaker 1>But for all intents and purposes, conversation back and forth

0:43:51.480 --> 0:43:55.719
<v Speaker 1>between two entities, one of them biological, one of them

0:43:55.719 --> 0:44:04.640
<v Speaker 1>technological is happening. And I think this, this biological technological interface.

0:44:04.719 --> 0:44:07.839
<v Speaker 1>Do you like that, Patrick? I mean that's only evolving

0:44:07.880 --> 0:44:13.239
<v Speaker 1>and only accelerating, And in ten years from now, people

0:44:13.280 --> 0:44:16.040
<v Speaker 1>are going to be like, well, of course, of course

0:44:16.080 --> 0:44:19.280
<v Speaker 1>people are marrying tech. Of course people are in relationships

0:44:19.320 --> 0:44:22.359
<v Speaker 1>with a of course. It's like, it's not even going

0:44:22.400 --> 0:44:23.239
<v Speaker 1>to be a weird thing.

0:44:24.600 --> 0:44:27.399
<v Speaker 2>I just looked up the definition of conversation, just out

0:44:27.440 --> 0:44:30.960
<v Speaker 2>of curiosity. It's a talk, especially an informal one, between

0:44:31.000 --> 0:44:34.200
<v Speaker 2>two or more people, in which news and ideas are exchanged.

0:44:34.800 --> 0:44:39.840
<v Speaker 2>Now it's people is the emphasis, But ideas being exchanged

0:44:39.920 --> 0:44:44.280
<v Speaker 2>when you're asking chat shept or whatever you're he'sing claude

0:44:44.320 --> 0:44:45.239
<v Speaker 2>or chat chap is both.

0:44:45.960 --> 0:44:48.600
<v Speaker 1>I use chatters. But also you have to think, well,

0:44:48.719 --> 0:44:53.719
<v Speaker 1>somebody wrote that definition, that definition will be rewritten, like

0:44:53.880 --> 0:44:57.200
<v Speaker 1>just because that's what somebody defines, that doesn't mean anything.

0:44:57.280 --> 0:45:00.319
<v Speaker 1>That doesn't mean that it can't be It's like, yeah,

0:45:00.440 --> 0:45:03.319
<v Speaker 1>it's when people go, oh it takes fucking thirty days

0:45:03.320 --> 0:45:05.840
<v Speaker 1>to change a habit. No it doesn't. No, it doesn't.

0:45:05.880 --> 0:45:08.040
<v Speaker 1>And just because you say that doesn't mean what are

0:45:08.040 --> 0:45:10.520
<v Speaker 1>we talking? Are we talking giving up sugar or getting

0:45:10.520 --> 0:45:13.719
<v Speaker 1>off heroine? You know which person? We're like, people just

0:45:13.760 --> 0:45:19.000
<v Speaker 1>say these arbitrary things that are not not universally true

0:45:19.040 --> 0:45:21.960
<v Speaker 1>but generally speaking. That's why I said it's I put

0:45:22.000 --> 0:45:24.160
<v Speaker 1>an asterisk next to the word conversation.

0:45:25.360 --> 0:45:30.880
<v Speaker 2>All right, moving on, moving on, moving on, What's what

0:45:30.920 --> 0:45:31.800
<v Speaker 2>do you want to talk about?

0:45:32.120 --> 0:45:34.840
<v Speaker 1>I want to talk about why raw milk? Like, have

0:45:34.920 --> 0:45:38.000
<v Speaker 1>you ever have you ever noticed the like, there are

0:45:38.000 --> 0:45:41.080
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people that are that, add I'm not

0:45:41.120 --> 0:45:43.600
<v Speaker 1>one of them. Everybody, so don't misinterpret what I'm saying.

0:45:43.640 --> 0:45:47.040
<v Speaker 1>But a lot of people advocate the consumption of raw milk,

0:45:47.640 --> 0:45:50.440
<v Speaker 1>and so I could be wrong, but I think the

0:45:50.480 --> 0:45:56.160
<v Speaker 1>way that people get around selling this is you can't

0:45:56.200 --> 0:45:59.719
<v Speaker 1>sell it for consumption because it hasn't been homogenized and

0:45:59.760 --> 0:46:04.480
<v Speaker 1>parturized if they're the two terms, and so they are

0:46:04.520 --> 0:46:10.080
<v Speaker 1>selling it as something that people bathe in. So they yeah,

0:46:10.080 --> 0:46:12.960
<v Speaker 1>that's the technical like, that's the loophole, and it's like,

0:46:13.040 --> 0:46:17.200
<v Speaker 1>this is not for human consumption. This is for whatever,

0:46:17.880 --> 0:46:21.400
<v Speaker 1>but people buy it. My understanding is people buy it

0:46:21.440 --> 0:46:24.560
<v Speaker 1>to drink it, but you can't technically sell it as

0:46:24.600 --> 0:46:28.600
<v Speaker 1>a food, so they have this little loophole where they

0:46:28.640 --> 0:46:32.719
<v Speaker 1>sell it for people to bathe in. But yeah, it's

0:46:32.840 --> 0:46:36.760
<v Speaker 1>like it's there's a fair bit of curiosity and traction

0:46:36.880 --> 0:46:37.279
<v Speaker 1>around this.

0:46:38.200 --> 0:46:42.080
<v Speaker 2>The big problem with social media and trending social media

0:46:42.320 --> 0:46:46.760
<v Speaker 2>is that the algorithm just wants to push a story

0:46:46.840 --> 0:46:50.280
<v Speaker 2>out for no other reason than the fact that people

0:46:50.320 --> 0:46:53.880
<v Speaker 2>are looking at it and it's trending, not because it's accurate,

0:46:54.120 --> 0:46:57.200
<v Speaker 2>and that's a concern. So when someone sees, oh, I

0:46:57.320 --> 0:47:01.160
<v Speaker 2>drink raw milk every day and it's going to keep

0:47:01.239 --> 0:47:03.640
<v Speaker 2>me looking younger, well, the problem with that is and

0:47:03.680 --> 0:47:05.799
<v Speaker 2>this is trending a lot of the moment to the

0:47:05.840 --> 0:47:09.640
<v Speaker 2>points where health experts around Australia are raising the alarm

0:47:09.719 --> 0:47:13.080
<v Speaker 2>over this because content creators are putting all this misinformation

0:47:13.200 --> 0:47:16.520
<v Speaker 2>out about raw milk and saying how much of it

0:47:16.600 --> 0:47:19.960
<v Speaker 2>it's that is a health food and it's not because pasteurization.

0:47:20.120 --> 0:47:23.200
<v Speaker 2>That process of pasteurizing milk is where it's heat treated,

0:47:23.440 --> 0:47:26.560
<v Speaker 2>and that's where it kills all the bad pathogens, all

0:47:26.600 --> 0:47:30.520
<v Speaker 2>the bad bacteria that's in milk that is raw, and

0:47:30.560 --> 0:47:33.759
<v Speaker 2>so people are getting really sick. And I think in

0:47:33.840 --> 0:47:37.520
<v Speaker 2>Florida recently twenty one people got sick and they got

0:47:37.520 --> 0:47:41.319
<v Speaker 2>an E. Coli bacteria and some people were hospitalized after

0:47:41.360 --> 0:47:44.759
<v Speaker 2>they had raw milk from a dairy over there. And

0:47:44.840 --> 0:47:47.200
<v Speaker 2>the reality of it is that you know, once upon

0:47:47.239 --> 0:47:49.239
<v Speaker 2>a time, if you were a journalist, and I know

0:47:49.280 --> 0:47:52.000
<v Speaker 2>I've said this many times, you had to check your sources.

0:47:52.040 --> 0:47:54.759
<v Speaker 2>You wouldn't run a story until you knew that the

0:47:54.840 --> 0:47:57.160
<v Speaker 2>source was accurate. You got both sides of the story.

0:47:57.160 --> 0:48:01.040
<v Speaker 2>But now these people are talking and trend and they

0:48:01.360 --> 0:48:04.760
<v Speaker 2>in some cases all they want is more clicks anyway,

0:48:05.280 --> 0:48:08.880
<v Speaker 2>So whatever the misinformation they're putting out there isn't about

0:48:08.880 --> 0:48:11.600
<v Speaker 2>its accuracy. It's about how popular they can become.

0:48:12.440 --> 0:48:18.040
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, so yeah. Another story that interests me in

0:48:18.080 --> 0:48:22.880
<v Speaker 1>the most policed state in probably the world in terms

0:48:22.880 --> 0:48:26.960
<v Speaker 1>of traffic infringements, is the latest mobile phone and seat

0:48:27.000 --> 0:48:32.840
<v Speaker 1>belt detection camera locations for Melbourne and Victoria have been mapped.

0:48:33.120 --> 0:48:37.920
<v Speaker 1>Like I this is a quick story, thirty second story.

0:48:37.920 --> 0:48:39.759
<v Speaker 1>I bought a new car a few years ago, which

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<v Speaker 1>was quite a fast car. I drove down to the

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<v Speaker 1>Peninsula an hour down an hour back, I lost eight points.

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<v Speaker 1>I lost eight points in two hours of driving because

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<v Speaker 1>there's something like between my joint and Portsy, there's something.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have a house in Portsy, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>I just went there, but there's something like a fucking

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<v Speaker 1>nine thousand. I don't know how many, but there's just

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<v Speaker 1>it's just an overlap, and I was doing like one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and six. And anyway, great, my fault, We're my fault.

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<v Speaker 1>I accept it. I accept it. I'm not saying I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not saying I didn't do the wrong thing. Go on, anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>tell us about this.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't tell you a story about my dad who

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't listen to the show, so I can get away

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<v Speaker 2>with this. So he was bitching about getting a speeding fine,

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<v Speaker 2>and he said to me, so he's driving down South Street,

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<v Speaker 2>a place where near he lives, and he got a

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<v Speaker 2>speeding ticket and was really crappy. And then on the

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<v Speaker 2>way back he got another one because he was speeding

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<v Speaker 2>in exactly the same place but going in the opposite direction.

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<v Speaker 2>And he was really kind of getting dirty on it

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<v Speaker 2>and saying it's just revenue raising. But there's a really

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<v Speaker 2>easy way not to get a ticket. Don't speed, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, you know, and everyone's saying at the table,

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<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, I know, you know, the revenue raising it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I looked around at everybody who were kind of

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<v Speaker 2>can die well, you know, consoling him for getting two

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<v Speaker 2>speeding tickets within.

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<v Speaker 1>Half an hour, and I said, are you going to

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<v Speaker 1>be kidding me?

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<v Speaker 2>Just don't speed. It's really easy. I mean, I've got

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<v Speaker 2>to say I only ever had one speeding ticket in

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<v Speaker 2>my whole life, and that was going to the funeral

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<v Speaker 2>of someone who died in a car accident. So that

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<v Speaker 2>was probably the dumbest, dumbest thing overdone because I was

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<v Speaker 2>speeding to get to a funeral. That don't ever speed

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<v Speaker 2>to get to a funeral. Just turn up late.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't think. I don't think you need to

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<v Speaker 1>speed to a funeral.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, she's a funeral. Say that again, Magda,

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<v Speaker 2>And she's one of our listeners who specializes in doing funerals.

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<v Speaker 1>What about this cola ko h l E r unveils

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<v Speaker 1>a camera for your toilet? What does that mean? Patrick?

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<v Speaker 1>For God's sake, I hope that camera is not in

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<v Speaker 1>the toilet it is.

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<v Speaker 2>This is something that both you hit it to get what.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you mean there's a camera at waterline facing

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<v Speaker 1>your ass.

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<v Speaker 2>No. No, it sits on the rim of the toilet

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<v Speaker 2>and it points to the pooh. It points down.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, fuck, let's rush out and get one of

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<v Speaker 1>those and all right, this so it can analyze your

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<v Speaker 1>fecal matter and give you some kind of real time Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that is amazing and disgusting all at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time.

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<v Speaker 2>It's called the Dakoda and it analyzes the images of

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<v Speaker 2>your pooh to provide updates on your gut health, your hydration.

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<v Speaker 2>It may potentially detect blood. Thank you to the Federal government.

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<v Speaker 2>I got my letty yesterday to tell me I'm due

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<v Speaker 2>for a bell scream. By the way, while I.

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<v Speaker 1>Think of speaking of pooh, yeah, no, hey everyone, we

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<v Speaker 1>hope you're enjoying your brecky.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't it funny when you're turn fifty in Australia you

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<v Speaker 2>get a letter from the federal government telling them that

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to check on your pooh, you know, because

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<v Speaker 2>they're calling around with the tax department and now they

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<v Speaker 2>do a crawling around with the Health department anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>But do they do that anywhere else in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope. So I'd like to think they do. You've

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<v Speaker 2>done the Pooce screen.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you do that every Yeah? I did it a

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<v Speaker 1>few years ago. I probably due for another one. So

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<v Speaker 1>with someone with dodgy eyesight and deteriorating eyesight, I might say,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm encouraged by this one. Experts hail remarkable success

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<v Speaker 1>of electronic implant in restoring sight. Yes, that's good. That's

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<v Speaker 1>gotta be good news for some people.

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<v Speaker 2>It certainly is. No, it's one of the most common

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<v Speaker 2>problems obviously as we age is the fact that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we near glasses or our vision becomes compromised. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>believed now that they can insert a very tiny electrode

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<v Speaker 2>and it can assist in you know, basically clearing up

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<v Speaker 2>the vision for people as they get older. This is amazing,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're talking about people who are almost going legally blind.

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<v Speaker 2>These are tests that have been done on people who

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<v Speaker 2>have got to a point where their macular degeneration has

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<v Speaker 2>got to a point where they physically very struggling to see,

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<v Speaker 2>and after reversing, you know, with this procedure, they're able

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<v Speaker 2>to read again. Now that's pretty phenomenal because for a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people as they get older and they become

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<v Speaker 2>more infirmed, they can't get around. They take a look

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<v Speaker 2>at in reading, like physically holding a book and reading

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<v Speaker 2>and not to be able to do that or even

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<v Speaker 2>look at a computer screen or whatever it happens to be.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is pretty revolutionary and it could you know

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<v Speaker 2>that it will change people's lives. It can go for

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<v Speaker 2>that little bit longer, and in this case reversing potentially

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<v Speaker 2>reversing blindness in people. It's phenomenal.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. The stuff they can do with thighs is life changing.

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<v Speaker 1>I had not last year, the year before twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 1>middle of the year, my eyesight was so bad and

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<v Speaker 1>I went to an optometrist or a whatever they ophthalmologist

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<v Speaker 1>are they that they might be a bit more doctory. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>the lady, she was brilliant. She's like, okay, so good

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<v Speaker 1>news we can fix that. Bad news is you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be blind in that eye, blind by Christmas. This

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<v Speaker 1>was if you don't have the surgery. I'm like, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's do the surgery. And she said, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you didn't drive here, and I went, no,

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<v Speaker 1>of course I didn't drive here. She's like I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to know if you drive here, And of course

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't drive everyone, I jogged there. But yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>I had the surgery on my right eye, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>brand new, brand new, but my left eye. I was

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<v Speaker 1>born with a weird left eye, like a turn in

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<v Speaker 1>my left eye, which then got straightened. But the vision

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<v Speaker 1>vision out of my right eye good, like really good

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<v Speaker 1>left eye. Shit. So if you ever want to, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>punch me in the face, come from the left side,

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<v Speaker 1>no self, Patrick, How can people connect with you and

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<v Speaker 1>find you and you know, support the cause that is

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<v Speaker 1>you me?

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<v Speaker 2>Just go to websites now, dot com, dot au and

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<v Speaker 2>I think I've mentioned this a few times. If you

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<v Speaker 2>want us to talk about something tech related, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>we're getting close to Christmas, Craig, you might need a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a list of things. Although that what is it?

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<v Speaker 2>The one exit who might be good to put on

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<v Speaker 2>my Christmas card list? A robot for my home.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, we operate it.

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<v Speaker 2>So I wake up with you leaning over looking at me.

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<v Speaker 2>That'd be worth it, wouldn't it. For the twenty I

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<v Speaker 2>can imagine you leaning over looking at me. God, that'd

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<v Speaker 2>be worse than the humanoid robot mate we'll see you

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<v Speaker 2>next time. Appreciate you, Thank you, always look forward to it.