Speaker 1: I want the fairy tale. I want the prince charming.
Speaker 2: She how do I put this? Isn't a fan of
Speaker 2: my kissing style.
Speaker 3: We have a boyfriend and girlfriend for about twelve hours.
Speaker 1: He's in a trash bin. He's non recyclable catching number.
Speaker 2: I love being love, I love love. On today's episode
Speaker 2: of Where's Your Head At, we are talking about soft
Speaker 2: launching and hard launching relationships.
Speaker 3: It's a new Instagram relationship trend and something you'll no
Speaker 3: doubt have to face when your relationship starts to get serious.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned to hear some tips on how to soft
Speaker 2: launch a relationship and the best time to hard launch.
Speaker 3: Where's Your Head At is a podcast that talks all
Speaker 3: things relationships, breakups, reality TV, trending shows, and everything in between.
Speaker 2: This is your new go to destination for laughs, gossip,
Speaker 2: intimate details, advice, and much more. All Right, and it's
Speaker 2: good to be back in the stud.
Speaker 1: Hey Ma, how are you?
Speaker 2: I'm good? I'm good. How are things with Michael going?
Speaker 1: Do you know what?
Speaker 3: It's so weird We haven't done an episode updating people
Speaker 3: in our lives for so long because we've had some
Speaker 3: amazing guests on the show, so it's.
Speaker 1: Weird to be back talking about ourselves again.
Speaker 2: I don't find it that difficult. I know, you don't
Speaker 2: second nature to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look things with Michael, we're cruising, everything's
Speaker 3: going really well. We're very much in love, obsessed.
Speaker 1: With each other.
Speaker 2: Honeymoon stage still going strong.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're still in that honeymoon phase, which I'm loving.
Speaker 3: I feel like every day. I actually, it's so weird
Speaker 3: that you say that, because I was actually scared that
Speaker 3: the honeymoon phase is going to end. I was like,
Speaker 3: I kept looking at the dates being like, Okay, we've
Speaker 3: got an extra month now, like is it going to
Speaker 3: end soon?
Speaker 1: Like when's that going to happen?
Speaker 3: But I feel like the more time we spend with
Speaker 3: each other, like I like him even more and he
Speaker 3: says that about me, So I feel like that's a
Speaker 3: good thing, right, Like we're tracking.
Speaker 2: Well, you just stay obsessed with each other the whole time.
Speaker 1: Let's hope that lasts forever.
Speaker 2: There's no reason for it not to. I guess, yeah,
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: Why is it that we think that the honeymoon phase
Speaker 3: has to end? Like who spun that lie to us?
Speaker 2: I don't know, But let's prove them wrong and keep
Speaker 2: your honeymoon stage going for ages. I mean, you survived Thailand,
Speaker 2: as we spoke about last week, so yeah, who knows
Speaker 2: what else you can come overcome?
Speaker 1: I know well, And that's the thing.
Speaker 3: I feel like, when you are in a relationship and
Speaker 3: then you go through like hard times with someone, it's
Speaker 3: like a make or break. You're either gonna just be
Speaker 3: like this is not for me and when shit hits
Speaker 3: the fan we don't work well together, or it's going
Speaker 3: to make you stronger. And I'm really happy that it's
Speaker 3: made us stronger.
Speaker 2: I'm happy as well. You guys are que, You're going solid.
Speaker 2: I love hanging around you guys, and I love to
Speaker 2: see it.
Speaker 1: We've heard that one.
Speaker 3: Okay, So there's a lot that's happened in your life
Speaker 3: since we've kind of done a catch up. So I
Speaker 3: have a million and one questions to ask you because
Speaker 3: hot seat, yeah, heart seat for sure, Because I feel
Speaker 3: like everyone needs to be fully caught up on your life.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you follow Matt on Instagram, we've seen
Speaker 3: that Matt has hard launched Magical Date girl, who we
Speaker 3: now know.
Speaker 2: As her name is Jen, Yeah, Genevieve, I call her Jen. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so she will no long ago as magical date girl.
Speaker 1: Okay, so we're abolishing Magical day call her Jen now.
Speaker 2: She was actually quite sad when I told her that.
Speaker 2: She was like an end of an era, and I
Speaker 2: was like, you'll always be my magical date girl.
Speaker 3: So the last time people heard you told people you
Speaker 3: were exclusive.
Speaker 1: What has happened since then?
Speaker 2: Okay, so I may as well start from the start.
Speaker 2: So last time I spoke to you, guys were exclusive.
Speaker 2: So I asked her to be exclusive very early on.
Speaker 1: It was like, how early on?
Speaker 2: Maybe two weeks in I think.
Speaker 1: I think it was a week.
Speaker 2: It was a week, It was a week, Yeah, I
Speaker 2: think it was a week. And I I just thought
Speaker 2: to myself, you know what, I'm not talking to the
Speaker 2: other girls. I've burnt every girl I was talking to before.
Speaker 1: Do you want it to lockery?
Speaker 2: Like yeah, I was like, I'm being I'm being exclusive,
Speaker 2: so I may as well make it exclusive.
Speaker 1: So let's make sure she's not fucking yeah exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's just both be exclusive. And she was
Speaker 2: keen to be exclusive. So that was yeah, I think
Speaker 2: a week.
Speaker 3: I remember when you told me that, and I was
Speaker 3: like wow, because I knew how keen that was from
Speaker 3: like actually, before you went on the first day with her,
Speaker 3: you were like, Anna, this girl is like my cup
Speaker 3: of tea. She's my flavor, she's my type. Like and
Speaker 3: you guys had obviously spoken for like sixty years on
Speaker 3: and off, and.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I remember calling you on the first night
Speaker 2: she came around. I went into my bedroom and I
Speaker 2: called you and I told you how keen I was
Speaker 2: on her. And You're like, well, don't do anything to
Speaker 2: fuck this up.
Speaker 3: Now, you best be on your best behavior, And I
Speaker 3: definitely was. So Actually, I'm actually just like thinking back
Speaker 3: to that time. I don't want anyone to miss any
Speaker 3: of the important facts.
Speaker 2: Didn't you?
Speaker 1: You invite her to family dinner within a week of
Speaker 1: knowing her.
Speaker 3: Oh, sorry to throw you under there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I remember how we hung out on the
Speaker 2: first date, then hung out that night, and then hung
Speaker 2: out the whole next day. I had my tradition, we
Speaker 2: have Sunday night dinner with my family, we watch a movie.
Speaker 2: And I was at her house and I was like, well, look,
Speaker 2: I've got a family dinner. I don't want to leave you.
Speaker 2: Would you like to come with me? And we're like
Speaker 2: I'm denied for ages and like, no, no, no, it's
Speaker 2: it's too early. It's been like not even forty eight hours.
Speaker 2: So because she nearly came, did.
Speaker 1: She say it was too early or did you?
Speaker 2: Oh? I'm pretty sure she did. I think she was
Speaker 2: a rational calm here.
Speaker 1: I was thinking that because I feel like you were
Speaker 1: like all in.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was like calm, no, calm, come, but yeah,
Speaker 2: she said no, we should probably wait at least another
Speaker 2: week before that happens.
Speaker 1: We've been exclusive after week one. What's happening in week two?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Okay, so you guys were exclusive. Everything was going well.
Speaker 3: Was there any hiccups?
Speaker 2: I mean just normal like stuff when you're with someone
Speaker 2: and you don't understand their boundaries and all that sort
Speaker 2: of stuff. But nothing we didn't work through, Like just
Speaker 2: stuff that, like, you know me, my mouth gets me
Speaker 2: in trouble. I say dumb stuff, just that.
Speaker 1: And so she pulled you up on those She pulled
Speaker 1: me up.
Speaker 2: On those things, and like I say to her, look,
Speaker 2: all you gotta do is call me out, and I learned.
Speaker 2: I'm a sort of person that learns, and I won't
Speaker 2: do it again.
Speaker 1: Okay, so when did you actually make it official.
Speaker 2: All right, So I asked Jen to be my girlfriend
Speaker 2: maybe two months in, two months into hanging.
Speaker 1: Out, Yeah, perfect time that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well it's funny you say that because we went
Speaker 2: on a date on a picnic and we were sitting
Speaker 2: in this park. It was really romantic. We'd ordered some vietnammes.
Speaker 2: We were sitting there eating that and we're just laying
Speaker 2: there like the sun was setting or laying having this
Speaker 2: really romantic time like yeah, hugging and kissing, not caring
Speaker 2: who was around.
Speaker 1: Typical Matt love some pdam Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then I was like thinking to myself, I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm going to her, I'm going to ask her. And
Speaker 2: then every time I went to ask her, I just
Speaker 2: got into my own fucking head and I just like
Speaker 2: cowered out and I just was like I just like
Speaker 2: just didn't know what to do. And I was like
Speaker 2: and then I'd ask some random question that had nothing
Speaker 2: to do with anything, and when she's just like what, yeah,
Speaker 2: she could tell I think, and I think that she
Speaker 2: was like ready for it. So then we left the
Speaker 2: park and then I remember we went on a double
Speaker 2: date with my two roommates and his girlfriend and we
Speaker 2: were walking behind the girls talking and I overheard her
Speaker 2: say to mal I really thought he was going to
Speaker 2: ask me out on the weekend to be his girlfriend.
Speaker 2: I don't think he's ever going to do it now
Speaker 2: because that was the perfect time or something like that,
Speaker 2: and I was like, fuck, I definitely fucked that up. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I was like, that was the perfect time. So the
Speaker 2: next week, we went on this like long walk and
Speaker 2: we're walking along this river and I wanted to do it,
Speaker 2: and I was in my head. I was like, all right,
Speaker 2: I'm not leaving today without doing it. So I kept
Speaker 2: taking her like off trail because there's people on the trail.
Speaker 2: So we kept walking along this muddy footpath like along
Speaker 2: the river, and it was just so we were like
Speaker 2: slipping over. I even did the old like oh, I've
Speaker 2: hurt my ankle, slowed down, like we need to stop here,
Speaker 2: I need a rest. And then I kept hugging her
Speaker 2: and she kept being like looking at me, and I
Speaker 2: kept like getting in my own head and I kept
Speaker 2: not saying anything. And then she's like to me, why
Speaker 2: are you acting so weird? And I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: no reason, no reason. So then we left the first place,
Speaker 2: and I was like, damn it, I fuck, I should
Speaker 2: have done it there, damn it. So then I was
Speaker 2: like all right, So I was like, let's get something
Speaker 2: to eat, and then pretty much recreated a picnic scenario again.
Speaker 2: I was like, well, definitely could have worked last week,
Speaker 2: so it's going to work now. We went to Forkner Park,
Speaker 2: which I found funny because I'd have so much terrible
Speaker 2: times at that park with my as with you, just
Speaker 2: so much, just just disgusting times that then when I
Speaker 2: was with her, I was like, all right, I'm going
Speaker 2: to make a happy memory here. Then all those toxic
Speaker 2: ones that I had, So we like sat down, we
Speaker 2: were like eight our grilled, We're just chatting. And then
Speaker 2: I was like laying there again and we're watching some
Speaker 2: people play some sport. And then I just said to her, yeah,
Speaker 2: do you want to be my girlfriend? And then she
Speaker 2: just had to kiss kissing me and pretty much said.
Speaker 1: Yes, Ah, that's such a cute story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then I was so happy. I was over
Speaker 2: the moon.
Speaker 1: You were happy. Yeah, I've got a girlfriend. I was like,
Speaker 1: how on earth are we both in relationship?
Speaker 2: I totally defeated the purpose of this, but here we are.
Speaker 3: You know what, I really want to talk to you
Speaker 3: about you getting inside your head and that anxiety because
Speaker 3: I guess for me, like I've never had to put
Speaker 3: myself out there and like ask a guy to be
Speaker 3: my boyfriend, like I always wait for them. And it's
Speaker 3: interesting to hear from a male perspective, like you really
Speaker 3: can get in your head and it really can stress
Speaker 3: you out.
Speaker 2: It's almost like you know she's going to say yes.
Speaker 2: But I was running through every scenario and I was
Speaker 2: just like in my own head, I was like, she's
Speaker 2: going to say no, she gonna say it's too soon,
Speaker 2: or she's going to say this. When I really knew
Speaker 2: that she was going to say yes. I don't know
Speaker 2: why I was making myself think that and worrying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, anxiety gets the better of all of us.
Speaker 3: But like in relationships, it is like it's kind of
Speaker 3: a big deal because like, yeah, if she doesn't say yes,
Speaker 3: like are you still seeing each other?
Speaker 1: Like is this over? And now I don't want it
Speaker 1: to be?
Speaker 2: Yeah, what happens now? And then she says no, but
Speaker 2: let's keep hanging out for a bit. Isn't it just
Speaker 2: gonna be fucking awkward?
Speaker 1: Do you don't like me?
Speaker 2: Yeah? You rejected me, so, Yeah, I did get very anxious.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Have you ever felt anxious like that before? Or
Speaker 3: do you think it's because you care about her so much?
Speaker 2: I think it's because I care about her so much.
Speaker 2: I mean asking out my ex. Yeah. I didn't get
Speaker 2: anxious at all. It was pretty much in an argument.
Speaker 3: Did you did you ask her out? Or did your
Speaker 3: ex like give you an ultimatus?
Speaker 2: She gave me an ultimator.
Speaker 1: Yeah I didn't.
Speaker 2: I thought that, and my dumb ass was like, all right,
Speaker 2: then we'll just we'll date then I get my girlfriend.
Speaker 3: So, Matt, you care a lot about Jen. Have you
Speaker 3: told her that you love her yet?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: I have.
Speaker 2: I've told her I love her. She It was in
Speaker 2: Byron on that trip we went two together. Yeah, we
Speaker 2: went for a walk to the lighthouse and there was.
Speaker 1: This like clinic light.
Speaker 2: Cliche. There was like no but there was like this
Speaker 2: platform that has no railing and you climb onto it
Speaker 2: and you overlook like the beach and the Whitehouse is
Speaker 2: on your left. And we were sitting there. I kept
Speaker 2: cuddling her and like kissing her and looking at her,
Speaker 2: and then she looked at me, she goes, are you
Speaker 2: acting weird again? And I was like, yes I am, Yes,
Speaker 2: I am. And then she goes why and I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: I want to tell you that I love you. And
Speaker 2: then we just sat there and just made out.
Speaker 1: Did she say it back?
Speaker 2: No, she didn't say it back. She didn't want it
Speaker 2: to be forced. So did she didn't want to say
Speaker 2: it back to me?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: You told me that she has a history of not
Speaker 3: saying I love you back to people like ex boyfriends.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so to her saying I love you, I think
Speaker 2: is a big deal to me.
Speaker 1: I think to everyone it's a big deal, it is
Speaker 1: a big deal.
Speaker 2: But to me, if I feel that and I'm more
Speaker 2: open with my emotions emotional, I'm willing to more put
Speaker 2: myself out there to be hurt as I feel like
Speaker 2: she's not. I feel like she wants to know guaranteed
Speaker 2: one hundred percent that she's not going to get hurt. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and that this is something solid. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So maybe she has a few walls up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she definitely does have a few ways up. I
Speaker 2: know she's been hurt in the past. Yeah, whereas a vie,
Speaker 2: but I I'm willing to get hurt again.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, does that hurt you a little bit? That she
Speaker 1: hasn't set it back.
Speaker 2: Yes and no, because I think to myself, well, actions
Speaker 2: speak louder than words, and I just reassure myself that
Speaker 2: like her actions and the way she acts around me
Speaker 2: and what she does, is someone that does love someone.
Speaker 2: And I know that you nearly said it one night.
Speaker 2: She pretty much said it when we were drunk, but
Speaker 2: then she said, I don't want to say it when
Speaker 2: I'm drunk. Yeh want to special?
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure there's a lot of people listening
Speaker 3: right now who have been in a similar situation and
Speaker 3: who like, it's good to hear that you know, you're
Speaker 3: also in a situation like this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, she said the first her first boyfriend took
Speaker 2: her over six months to say it, and he'd already
Speaker 2: said it before then.
Speaker 1: How did he feel about that?
Speaker 2: I do know?
Speaker 3: Sorry, probably not asking about.
Speaker 1: How long have you guys been together?
Speaker 2: Now we've been together officially maybe three months, okay, I said.
Speaker 3: It a month in okay, so you might have an
Speaker 3: extra three months to wait until you hear yeah, I
Speaker 3: love you back.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, I mean, like I said, it does hurt,
Speaker 2: but I'm not putting pressure on her. I don't want
Speaker 2: to force her to say anything. It will come at
Speaker 2: its own time, and it would be so much sweeter
Speaker 2: when I hear it.
Speaker 1: We like, praise the Lord, I skim me it. Do
Speaker 1: you know What's weird though, Like I've never really spoke
Speaker 1: about this to you ever.
Speaker 3: I don't think, but like the first time saying I
Speaker 3: love you to someone is kind of awkward, Like you
Speaker 3: might feel it, but to actually say it for the
Speaker 3: first time is kind of uncomfortable. Like I remember the
Speaker 3: first time Michael and I said it, like he said
Speaker 3: it to me, you were drunk, when we were like
Speaker 3: a bit tipsy and it was like sunset and then
Speaker 3: I set it back and I was like oh. But
Speaker 3: then after we said it once, then I was like,
Speaker 3: when do we say it next? Like when's the next
Speaker 3: time to say it? When's a good time to say it?
Speaker 3: Is it awkward if I say now? And I remember
Speaker 3: he just all of a sudden started saying it all
Speaker 3: the time, and I think he said it like that day,
Speaker 3: like maybe like fifteen times.
Speaker 1: Like once he said it, he was just like go yeah.
Speaker 3: And I think because he did that, it made it
Speaker 3: really normal. So now, like honestly, I think the next
Speaker 3: day like it wasn't awkward, but that day, like the
Speaker 3: next time he said it, I was like, oh, he
Speaker 3: said it again.
Speaker 1: Said it again?
Speaker 2: Why do you say that? Because I've almost stopped saying
Speaker 2: it now because I haven't heard it back. So I'll
Speaker 2: say stuff like that or you or I appreciate you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll say I'm in love with you when like it's
Speaker 2: a real heated moment. But if it's just norm when
Speaker 2: I feel like I want to say it because I
Speaker 2: say it a lot, you know what I'm like, I
Speaker 2: grew up in a house, or you just say it
Speaker 2: to you like I love you and I love you
Speaker 2: like i'll see you love you by Yeah. I mean
Speaker 2: so to me, it's just second nature. I don't think
Speaker 2: in her family it was as well. I mean even
Speaker 2: my sister's boyfriend has pulled Lara off on it like
Speaker 2: that we say it all the time to each other,
Speaker 2: so he's not.
Speaker 1: Was not used to it, used to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I've refrained a bit from saying it.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's kind of sad though as well. But like
Speaker 3: I totally understand where you're coming from because I feel
Speaker 3: like it's kind of like, is she going to say
Speaker 3: it back this time? And I guess like maybe when
Speaker 3: you say it and you don't hear it back then,
Speaker 3: it kind of like hurts her.
Speaker 2: Or when I got in my own head and it
Speaker 2: was like two perfect times I thought she was going
Speaker 2: to say it. We were on these perfect moments and
Speaker 2: I was like, all right, well this is She like
Speaker 2: pretty much encouraged the scenario to happen, and I was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: maybe this is it. And then we left and I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, okay, maybe next time.
Speaker 3: Okay, So you told her you loved her in Barron
Speaker 3: Bay at the light how it was a really romantic moment,
Speaker 3: and then in Byron Bay you hard launched this shit
Speaker 3: out of your girlfriend.
Speaker 1: And we're gonna talk about self launching and hard launching.
Speaker 3: Next, Okay, Mat, let's talk about seft launching and hard
Speaker 3: launching our relationships. We both did it. We started soft,
Speaker 3: we went hard. They're two different things. I've only recently
Speaker 3: learned about these terminologies.
Speaker 1: Like I didn't know this was a thing.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like a process, like soft launching and
Speaker 3: hard launching is like a marketing technique.
Speaker 1: It really is. Gen Z has kind of like made
Speaker 1: it into how they're gonna.
Speaker 3: Like give sprinkles of information and kind of tease their
Speaker 3: Instagram audiences or TikTok audiences that they have a boyfriend,
Speaker 3: girlfriend or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so a lot of people start off with a
Speaker 2: soft launch these days. Soft launch is when you show
Speaker 2: hints to your online audience that you have a partner.
Speaker 2: So it could be anything from like showing a.
Speaker 1: Limb, showing a random limb.
Speaker 2: Showing two dinner plates, to drinks, showing shadows, anything from
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 3: I know people who like do soft launches by if
Speaker 3: the person they're seeing has sent them like flowers or something.
Speaker 3: They'll be like, oh my god, look at this, or
Speaker 3: like showing gifts that they've been given.
Speaker 2: That's way too much for me. I like the classic
Speaker 2: like limb or like you're out for dinner. I think
Speaker 2: I soft launched Jen we were out for dinner and
Speaker 2: I showed a bit of her body, showed a bit.
Speaker 3: Of her body, Yeah, cleavage, Actually I think that sure
Speaker 3: I got.
Speaker 2: That with the girls.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think like I've definitely.
Speaker 3: Soft launched people and it's never actually gone like come
Speaker 3: to fruition, likely been an only soft launch and then
Speaker 3: it's been out any.
Speaker 2: Any worth mentioning. I didn't know that you've done that.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I think I soft launched. I was
Speaker 3: having a picnic with this guy. I think I'd only
Speaker 3: been seeing him for like three weeks, and I think
Speaker 3: a little bit of his leg was in it. And
Speaker 3: I was like, is this like a cock block for
Speaker 3: me if I post this? And now I was like, nah,
Speaker 3: let's make the ex jealous.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, a lot of people do soft launches for
Speaker 2: that reason if they're pretty manipula, pretty toxic.
Speaker 1: Probably shouldn't have admitiated that.
Speaker 2: No, I thought everyone does it. So what is a
Speaker 2: hard launch then?
Speaker 3: Okay, so basically like a hard launch is when you
Speaker 3: become Facebook official, when you post a photo with them
Speaker 3: and tag them so people know that you guys are together.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about you hard.
Speaker 3: Launching Jen because you did a middle of the ground
Speaker 3: hard launch because you didn't tag her, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I thought Jen and I were going to
Speaker 2: go on with just soft launch. We discussed it. She
Speaker 2: doesn't really want to be like getting random follow She
Speaker 2: doesn't really want people like knowing who she is. She
Speaker 2: just needs to live her life and.
Speaker 1: Obviously fully privately.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So we discussed it and she said, I
Speaker 2: don't want a heart like you to post me you
Speaker 2: can do like all this sort of stuff. But I said, look,
Speaker 2: this is what I do, Like, I need to be
Speaker 2: able to like reshare if you tag me, I need
Speaker 2: to be able to post you.
Speaker 1: Like you're proud of her as well, like you want to.
Speaker 3: It's not even really about having a following, like you're
Speaker 3: so proud of like her, your relationship.
Speaker 1: You want to show it off to people. You want
Speaker 1: to be like I'm.
Speaker 2: In loved exactly. Yeah, so I said that to her.
Speaker 2: I said, look like, can we find some happy medium ground.
Speaker 2: So we settled on posting a photo but not tagging her.
Speaker 2: So the photo we posted was amazing. It's one of
Speaker 2: my favorite photos of us. Yeah nay, yeah, So that
Speaker 2: was the hard launch pick we decided.
Speaker 3: And what was interesting about your hard launch with Jen
Speaker 3: was that this was totally unplanned, Like you guys were
Speaker 3: planning on just seft launching only and never actually posting
Speaker 3: each other, and then you guys got a really cute
Speaker 3: okay and you're actually and then you were like actually
Speaker 3: on second pillot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this can't go away, some need to show this
Speaker 2: one off. Yeah. Yeah, it was completely different. So from
Speaker 2: my previous relationship. That was so planned to the point
Speaker 2: of like photo it was planned to like the moment
Speaker 2: it was going to be posted. Everything with Kira, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was just planned to the t because she was
Speaker 2: on a TV show, so she was like post at
Speaker 2: the moment I get eliminated and then to let everyone know. Wow.
Speaker 1: So that was fully planned.
Speaker 2: And that was fully planned. Yeah, to the moment you
Speaker 2: got eliminated. We both posted, and look.
Speaker 3: There's nothing wrong with that. Like at the end of
Speaker 3: the day, like Instagram is a marketing tool. You guys
Speaker 3: have both been on TV, you have a following. If
Speaker 3: that was kind of like what you both agreed on,
Speaker 3: that's fine. But then like obviously Jen likes to have
Speaker 3: a really private life, which is like the polar.
Speaker 2: Opposite and one of the most attractive things about her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like you know, you guys last minute were like.
Speaker 2: Fuck it, let's just post it. Yeah, and to everyone's credit,
Speaker 2: we got a tremendous response. Everyone was real happy for
Speaker 2: us complimenting her complimenting me. So that was good as well.
Speaker 1: That made me a good moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that made her feel better about the whole situation
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 1: Was she worried that she would get hate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's crossed her mind a lot. She she's very
Speaker 2: worried about that. We had a lot of photos because,
Speaker 2: like we said, it was discussed, we had a lot
Speaker 2: of photos that I wanted to post, and she was like, no,
Speaker 2: I don't want that one. No, I don't like this one.
Speaker 2: And then yeah, we just saw that one and I
Speaker 2: was like, fuck, this is an awesome pick.
Speaker 1: Let's do it, baby.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So how did you go about your hard launch
Speaker 2: with Michael?
Speaker 3: I mean, look, I was really apprehensive about posting someone
Speaker 3: after Josh because we had such a public relationship and
Speaker 3: obviously we'd been broken up for a year, so like,
Speaker 3: I was kind of like whatever, But then I was
Speaker 3: also worried about how Michael would be received because people
Speaker 3: followed me because I won Love Island with Josh. Was like,
Speaker 3: I hope Michael doesn't receive any hate or mean comments
Speaker 3: or like you're not Josh. But yeah, then the thing
Speaker 3: that kind of pushed me, I guess, to hard launch
Speaker 3: Michael was the fact that we had been talking a
Speaker 3: lot about him on our podcast, and I started talking
Speaker 3: about him not really knowing where it was going to go,
Speaker 3: and was kind of at a point where I was like,
Speaker 3: you know, this could fizzle out and I might be
Speaker 3: heartbroken and I might have to come onto the podcast
Speaker 3: and tell everyone about it. Like I was open to
Speaker 3: that happening. But then as time progress, I started talking
Speaker 3: more and more about Michael and things started getting more serious,
Speaker 3: and I guess people got invested from listening to the podcast.
Speaker 3: And so when I had told the podcast, I guess
Speaker 3: when I had officially told people that I had a boyfriend,
Speaker 3: I was like, well, I guess now's a good time
Speaker 3: to kind of drop a picture because people can put
Speaker 3: a picture a face to the name, because I guess
Speaker 3: I had spoken about him a lot before I actually
Speaker 3: hard launched him. So I guess you could kind of
Speaker 3: say the podcast was a soft launch for us because
Speaker 3: I spoke about him and he was this mysterious person,
Speaker 3: and yeah, that was our soft launch, and then the
Speaker 3: hard launch was a picture. I mean, it's hard because
Speaker 3: like what's better. Is it better to have a private
Speaker 3: life or is it better to just be like, this
Speaker 3: is what's happening in my life, this is who I'm dating.
Speaker 1: We're in love.
Speaker 2: I mean, for me, obviously, we you and I don't
Speaker 2: have the ability to be private. We've got this podcast,
Speaker 2: we've got social media, so we don't get that luxury.
Speaker 2: But I feel like if you're proud of someone and
Speaker 2: you want to show the world that you're in love
Speaker 2: with them, you can be public with it. I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't feel there's any harm. Like, what's the worst
Speaker 2: thing that's going to happen. If anything, people are going
Speaker 2: to know you've got a partner and.
Speaker 3: Not reach out, reach out and slide into your dm
Speaker 3: GM's dry up real quick, Sahara.
Speaker 2: So, I mean, I don't see any harm in being public.
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people want to be private
Speaker 2: with their relationship. I've been in relationships where it was private,
Speaker 2: we weren't posting that we are together in that and
Speaker 2: I much prefer to be public and to express that
Speaker 2: you have a partner. Yeah, I'm I'm sort of begging
Speaker 2: my girlfriend to post photos. I'm not the guy that
Speaker 2: I'm not going to post you like, can I post
Speaker 2: this please? I'm proud of you. I want to show everyone.
Speaker 2: I'll show you off to everyone.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think is better public or private?
Speaker 1: I think there's definitely being private.
Speaker 3: There's definitely benefits to it and having and protecting that
Speaker 3: relationship and making sure that it's more about the love
Speaker 3: you guys have than showing it off to the world.
Speaker 3: And I think that there's definitely benefits in that. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I think I'm like you, Like we are quite similar.
Speaker 3: Like I want to tell everyone that I'm in love
Speaker 3: and I want to, you know.
Speaker 1: Post couples photos that I'm really happy.
Speaker 3: And you know, there was definitely photos that I posted
Speaker 3: when I was with Josh and I look back and
Speaker 3: I'm like, I wasn't at my happiest there, And now
Speaker 3: I look at photos that I've posted with Michael, and
Speaker 3: I'm at my happiest and so it's nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, at the start of my relationship with Michael,
Speaker 3: I really enjoyed keeping things really private, Like I didn't
Speaker 3: even really soft launch him at the start.
Speaker 1: But then we got papped down in Saint Kilda. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you remember that.
Speaker 2: I do, You're going on a little coffee run.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then those photos came out and like, obviously
Speaker 3: we were serious about each other, but it wasn't a secret,
Speaker 3: like my close friends knew about it. But it was
Speaker 3: just nice having that And yeah, I guess after that,
Speaker 3: like I was kind of I didn't really care about
Speaker 3: posting the photos because if you looked it up online,
Speaker 3: you could see who I was dating anyway. So I
Speaker 3: guess they kind of took that hard launch away from me.
Speaker 2: Luxury as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the privacy, I can.
Speaker 2: Relate to that as well. Kira and I got papped
Speaker 2: before we had the chance to hard launch or post
Speaker 2: each other together as well, so that took away the privacy.
Speaker 2: Also took away that feeling of hard launching your partner.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess that's one of those things about being
Speaker 3: on TV. I guess some of that privacy does get
Speaker 3: taken away.
Speaker 2: All right. So we've spoken a lot about hard launching
Speaker 2: and soft launching or a new relationship. How about soft
Speaker 2: launching and hard launching a breakup? We've all done it.
Speaker 1: How do you soft launch and hard launch a breakup?
Speaker 2: You hard launched a breakup with Josh, didn't you?
Speaker 1: I did?
Speaker 3: I just instantly, like I think me and Josh were
Speaker 3: having an argument, and I just like put a statement
Speaker 3: out pretty much like two days after. I think I
Speaker 3: was pretty annoyed with him because I was getting messages
Speaker 3: saying he was like with other people.
Speaker 1: So I was like I just want this to be over.
Speaker 1: Let's draw a line.
Speaker 3: So I think I made a statement and posted it
Speaker 3: as an actual like screwed posts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I soft launched my breakup with Kira. How
Speaker 2: just in a poster?
Speaker 1: Is that what a selft launch breakup is?
Speaker 3: Just?
Speaker 1: It's radio silence.
Speaker 2: It just came clear that we weren't hanging out and
Speaker 2: I was getting messages, articles were getting written.
Speaker 1: People notice, the.
Speaker 2: Biggest telling is the unfollow of each other.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's that's the biggest telling. And people do
Speaker 2: their research and they found it out straight away that
Speaker 2: we were unfollowing.
Speaker 3: But that's a hard launch, isn't it when you're on following, Like,
Speaker 3: that's a hard launch breakup?
Speaker 2: True? True, But that came a couple of weeks after
Speaker 2: when stuff got real toxic. So at the start, it
Speaker 2: was just radio silence, no posting each other, doing paid
Speaker 2: collabs for the same brand, but not posting together where
Speaker 2: we normally had. I remember a lot of people were
Speaker 2: asking questions about that, and.
Speaker 1: It people's ears out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and a lot of articles, a lot of articles
Speaker 2: were written when we did a paid collab but for
Speaker 2: the same brand, but didn't mention it. What do you
Speaker 2: think is healthier hard launch for a soft launch for a breakup.
Speaker 3: I mean, look, for me, you know what I'm like
Speaker 3: in a breakup. I like to rip off that band
Speaker 3: hed and move the fuck on. And that's exactly what
Speaker 3: I will do always, Like, I would just prefer to
Speaker 3: like put a statement out and be like, and even
Speaker 3: if you don't have a following, just to like, I'll
Speaker 3: tell all of my friends everyone I'm not together.
Speaker 1: I'm single now.
Speaker 3: Girls' nights, single girls Nights, all the single ladies, way
Speaker 3: beyond thas being played.
Speaker 1: Or anything I can do to make it crystal clear.
Speaker 2: Another great one is the old Q and A. Just
Speaker 2: ask yourself the question are you single? Yeah, guys mean
Speaker 2: I've broken as yeah, Q and.
Speaker 3: A specifically for the reason that I'm about to tell everyone.
Speaker 1: I'm fucking sing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's another great way to high launch it.
Speaker 3: I mean, look, it's always going to be tricky to
Speaker 3: break up with someone, but yeah, like obviously, when we
Speaker 3: hard launch a new relationship, it means that at some point,
Speaker 3: if you guys break up, everyone's gonna find out about it,
Speaker 3: which kind of sucks because then you get the pity like,
Speaker 3: oh nos, I hope you're okay, and sympathy and the
Speaker 3: sympathy and you know, when things don't work out, it's
Speaker 3: really hard. So I guess when you do hard launch
Speaker 3: or even not really self launched, mainly hard launch. When
Speaker 3: you hard launch, it comes with the risk of having
Speaker 3: to hard launch break up. Okay, that's all we have
Speaker 3: time for today. It was great chatting to you. It's
Speaker 3: been an amazing season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it has been. We've had so many amazing guests
Speaker 2: in so many amazing episodes. If you haven't listened to
Speaker 2: them all, make sure you go back. There's some really
Speaker 2: ripper episodes in there.
Speaker 3: Yeah. We have a two week break and then we
Speaker 3: are back for season three. How crazy is that to
Speaker 3: say of where's your head at?
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