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Speaker 4: But as you said, women are tending to have child

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Speaker 4: And with Brian, let's include mental health as weever near

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Speaker 1: That's right. It's just it's very new in actually being

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Speaker 4: I like that sensory felt lived, moved environment. That's pretty cool.

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Speaker 4: There's a couple of other things I want to talk

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Speaker 1: liver is really good. I think humans should eat omnivorous,

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Speaker 1: So I do think that liver has got a lot

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Speaker 1: of bee vitamins. And if you eat enough protein, then

438
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Speaker 1: you get lots of your carnotene and you're tourine, so

439
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Speaker 1: those are nutrients important for the mitochondria. You get lots

440
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Speaker 1: of your creatine and then if you eat lots of vegetables,

441
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Speaker 1: nutzis and you're getting your minerals and you electrolytes. But

442
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Speaker 1: let's face it, like today's modern agriculture, the food is

443
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Speaker 1: really quite depleted quite a lot of things, The soils

444
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Speaker 1: are quite deplete, nutrients. So if someone was really really

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Speaker 1: super well and doesn't need any supplement, I would say

446
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Speaker 1: they still need the supplement, and that is they still

447
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Speaker 1: need minerals. So I would always supplement from.

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Speaker 4: A multi or are specific stuff for people generally, Like.

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Speaker 1: A super well fit person just needs to take minerals,

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Speaker 1: then I would propose a multi mineral supplement like with

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Speaker 1: all the trace minerals in it as well, not just

452
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Speaker 1: like just think selenium, chromium, molygdinum, all of those are

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Speaker 1: the big ticket ones, but trace minerals are really good.

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Speaker 1: So you get lots of trace minerals from sea salt,

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Speaker 1: electrolyte and sea salt mineral products, So those are always

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Speaker 1: my favorite supplements that would be the top priority in everyone. Electrolytes,

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Speaker 1: sea salt minerals, and potassium. So a lot of people

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Speaker 1: are depleted in potassium. So I know that nowadays with

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Speaker 1: a lot of the big biohacking movements and sports and

460
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Speaker 1: longevity runs taking electrolytes, which is great, but we really

461
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Speaker 1: need the potassium.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and a.

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Speaker 4: Lot of people there, Yeah, they just tweak the potassium levels.

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Speaker 4: It can sort out the blood pressure as well. I

465
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Speaker 4: think there's a bit too much focus on sodium and

466
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Speaker 4: not enough on potassium.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, big time. So that would be the vitamins.

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Speaker 1: Supplements I think everyone should have would be electrolytes and minerals.

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Speaker 1: And then, like I said, with a condition and with

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Speaker 1: health issues, and I would certainly go for the ubiquanal

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Speaker 1: I would do creating NAD. I wouldn't necessarily do n

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Speaker 1: D because that's quite expensive. Not everyone can afford that,

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Speaker 1: but definitely be three, so a nice cinemaide of sorts.

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Speaker 1: And then most people can take a multib complex, but

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Speaker 1: some people cannot if depending on their methylation status, they

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Speaker 1: might get a bit.

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Speaker 4: Do you propose a method vitamin for people or does

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Speaker 4: that not work well for some people? Like what I'm saying,

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Speaker 4: should everybody take methylated B or can methalate B not

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Speaker 4: be great depending on certain genes.

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Speaker 1: The latter, so I don't propose methylated B broadly speaking,

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Speaker 1: I would propose so if we're talking first about energy mitochondria,

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Speaker 1: propose B three and B five. And then if we

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Speaker 1: just want an round B, then I would say a

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Speaker 1: multibe that doesn't necessarily have a lot of methylated bees.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, a bit of B two lots of B

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Speaker 1: one as well, but methylated bees don't go well with

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Speaker 1: at least in my patient cohort, because I have tough

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Speaker 1: cases and that's usually when other things haven't worked. And

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Speaker 1: usually in that community, methylated b can cause a lot

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Speaker 1: more anxiety agro agitation because people have folate follate receptive

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Speaker 1: blocks or methyl blocks so they can't methylate the folates

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Speaker 1: and things like that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, interesting, And what is your thoughts on NMN and

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Speaker 4: NR right, because they're big in the kind of biohacking communities,

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Speaker 4: Just keen to get your thoughts. I took a little

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Speaker 4: bit of NME and sublingual, and then I just stopped

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Speaker 4: because for me, I looked at the research. Now this

499
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Speaker 4: was a year ago, and there wasn't a lot of

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Speaker 4: what I thought was compelling human data. But I know

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Speaker 4: a lot of people absolutely swear by it. What's your

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Speaker 4: thoughts on it?

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Speaker 1: So I'm a bit neutral about needing to do NMN

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Speaker 1: or NR versus just B three, partly because I'm working

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Speaker 1: with a patient community with chronic diseases and they often

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Speaker 1: don't have a lot of funds because there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of supplements to have to take in the end you know,

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Speaker 1: I do. I do give people relatively big protocols that

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Speaker 1: I'm being conservative, but I also it does also add

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Speaker 1: up to a lot of things. You have to support

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Speaker 1: the bio, you have to support the liver, you have

512
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Speaker 1: to support the micro bio, you have to support the

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Speaker 1: nearer transmitters. In the end, you have a supplements as

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Speaker 1: long as you know, list of it, as long as

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Speaker 1: your arm. So cost wise, EMIN is not practical for

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Speaker 1: my patient cohort. The research looks interesting. I'm not jumping

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Speaker 1: straight into that because of being practical, and I already

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Speaker 1: see good results with B three and just n R,

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Speaker 1: and I already see good results of using other things

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Speaker 1: in my patient groups. So I don't just hammer in

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Speaker 1: on that.

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Speaker 4: Andemen my view on that is a watch in we

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Speaker 4: it because it is bloody expensive. It's a supplement, and

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Speaker 4: I think there's there's other ones that are kind of

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Speaker 4: top of the list on that.

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Speaker 2: Okay. So and then just to remind our people, so

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Speaker 2: is that that's.

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Speaker 4: Everything from a nutritional perspective, is it?

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Speaker 1: And then well I'll put the last thing in is

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Speaker 1: also when you don't eat, so you know a bit

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Speaker 1: of fasting is depends again on the person. But if

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Speaker 1: you're trying to get more metabolic flexibility, then it's good

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Speaker 1: to be able to fast, and fasting just means to

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Speaker 1: be able to not eat overnight twelve to fourteen hours

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Speaker 1: and okay, sometimes if you had to skip lunch because

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Speaker 1: you really were that busy, or you skip dinner, you

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Speaker 1: don't fall apart because you're angry, you know. So it's

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Speaker 1: like be able to not be like that. So people

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Speaker 1: have to work out how to be able to fast

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Speaker 1: and get through that. So not saying that you need

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Speaker 1: to do long fast for mitochondrial health, but you have

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Speaker 1: to be able to handle a fast.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, every human beings should be able to handle

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Speaker 4: a fast. Right, then the other things to throw at

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Speaker 4: your mitochondria other than so that's a very detailed thing

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Speaker 4: around nutrition. What's the other big ticket items for you?

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Speaker 1: Big ticket items would be avoid blue light, so get

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Speaker 1: the light, right, we already said that, and so using

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Speaker 1: a red light panel or red light devices is really

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Speaker 1: just to tip that balance of we're just a bit

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Speaker 1: too much blue and not enough friend. But if someone

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Speaker 1: is out in nature the whole day and getting a

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Speaker 1: lot of sun, then you don't necessarily need a red

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Speaker 1: light like just a generic red light panel I'm talking about.

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Speaker 1: You might use red light to specifically treat an ankle

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Speaker 1: injury on elbow spray and things like that, so that'd

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Speaker 1: be the blue and the red. And the next thing

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Speaker 1: I would say is do cold.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, can induce mitochondrial biogenesis.

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Speaker 1: Right, very very very powerful cold therapy. So that's a

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Speaker 1: huge with chondrial therapy. And depending on the type of

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Speaker 1: communities you're speaking to, maybe your communities Paul are like

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Speaker 1: all out there jumping into ice bath and going gung

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Speaker 1: ho for it, but my patient community isn't so much

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Speaker 1: because people have chronic fatigue and so on. So we

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Speaker 1: just have to do it very slow and gently, and

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Speaker 1: we usually start doing it with face plunges.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's a really good thing for people

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Speaker 4: who have chronic conditions. If they jump into an ice bath,

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Speaker 4: that can just be too much and can completely overwhelm them.

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Speaker 4: So the asponges I totally agree with you a great

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Speaker 4: and then maybe a bit of a cold char it's

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Speaker 4: just at the end of your normal char. But you know,

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Speaker 4: you don't have to be jumping into the ice bot

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Speaker 4: and you certainly don't need to be spending ten minutes

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Speaker 4: in an icepot. That's just an ego trip. I think

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Speaker 4: most of the benefits are those first twenty seconds when

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Speaker 4: you get into cold water. And what about exercise.

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Speaker 1: I was going to say that one next it's like, okay,

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Speaker 1: it's so next thing with the exercise. So with my

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Speaker 1: patient community, I guess I don't use the word exercise.

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Speaker 1: I talk about.

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Speaker 2: Movement physical activity.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when they have cronic fatigue, they do get upset

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Speaker 1: with being told they have to exercise because it makes

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Speaker 1: them sicker. And so but I say to them, you

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Speaker 1: still absolutely need to move. You cannot just sit down

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Speaker 1: or lie down. When people have got pots and you

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Speaker 1: know orthostatic intolerance, they're lying down and sitting down a lot.

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Speaker 1: You still absolutely need to move. So we need to

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Speaker 1: move for that moto biogenesis, and that is critical too.

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Speaker 1: And we might even just start the movement with breath.

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Speaker 1: So do use a lot of breath, do a lot

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Speaker 1: of our line movements, pilates, care work, and just starting

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Speaker 1: with that because that essentially is the most important place.

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Speaker 1: That from a functional perspective, is how I'm thinking of it,

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Speaker 1: not just big bulky muscles for metabolic health. I'm thinking

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Speaker 1: first just the right muscles. Doing the right things is

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Speaker 1: really around our breath, our pelvic flaw, our diaphragm, and

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Speaker 1: how that makes a big difference to our neurophysiology.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it. And the old classic concept of exercise.

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Speaker 4: I think it does apply to people with chronic particular

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Speaker 4: of seeing research on it is slow progressive overload. Is

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Speaker 4: that just week by week, just add a little bit

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Speaker 4: and add a little bit and add a little bit,

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Speaker 4: and then if it's too much, you just back off

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Speaker 4: a little bit. But I think that concept of progressive

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Speaker 4: over a little it applies to everybody, from people with

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Speaker 4: chronic conditions all the way through to elite athletes like Christine.

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Speaker 4: And so I presume is there anything else that we've

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Speaker 4: left off on there? You did talk about your few more, but.

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Speaker 1: So would be the big ones, you know, nutrition, light, cold, exercise.

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Speaker 1: But I would say magnetism is a really good one

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Speaker 1: for mitochondrial health if people have got conditions, so using

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Speaker 1: PEMF pulse electromagnetic fields. And then I guess it would

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Speaker 1: be remiss of me as a nutritional medicine doctor not

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Speaker 1: to talk about the microbiota, the microbiome. I mean, everyone

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Speaker 1: knows that you know the gut brain access microbiome has

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Speaker 1: a big.

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Speaker 6: Huge effect across everything, but I actually think that's still

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Speaker 6: bottom up, and I think the top down to microbiome

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Speaker 6: is the stress and the micochondria that speaks the microbiome.

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Speaker 1: And I think that research is starting to kind about

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Speaker 1: mitochondria microbiome crosstop. So I think that when your mitochondria

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Speaker 1: are healthy and you got the right light signals and

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Speaker 1: microbiome will be healthier as opposed to just shoving in

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Speaker 1: probiotics and of course fiber, of course probiotics, but just.

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Speaker 2: Better fermented food as well. Right for the first.

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Speaker 1: One, yeah, yeah, And then the last thing is detox

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Speaker 1: because we can't help but live in a toxic world.

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Speaker 1: So a good old sona and sweat couple of times

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Speaker 1: a week is just yeah. Oh, I guess if you're

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Speaker 1: exercising hard and you're sweating yours or doing a double

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Speaker 1: up there.

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Speaker 2: There's what most people don't realize.

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Speaker 4: The level lemon detox diet is horseship compared to sweat.

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Speaker 2: Right, that is the mediature way. And I guess supporting

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Speaker 2: your fierst one and fist.

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Speaker 4: To detoxification and processes in the body through you know,

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Speaker 4: lots of broccoli, the whole broccoli family, and then onions

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Speaker 4: garlics leaks self first supports those two pathways, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally very cool.

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Speaker 4: Now I am Are you still taking patients because I'm

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Speaker 4: sure there's a shipload of people going I want her

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Speaker 4: as my doctor.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I still take patients. It just depends on

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Speaker 1: the time of year and how heavy the loaded Sometimes

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Speaker 1: is a bit of a weight, but we're always taking patients.

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Speaker 1: So the clinic is next practice gen biome g E

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Speaker 1: n b io me. It's sort of a generation biome.

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Speaker 1: It's a biosphere of health and soluted genesis Soluto genesis.

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Speaker 1: By the way, it's health creation for some of your

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Speaker 1: listeners who might not know. We treat diseases for sure,

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Speaker 1: but we prefer or would love to just create health.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I love it. I love it. And are you

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Speaker 2: on socials or anything?

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Speaker 4: It's a person for people.

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Speaker 2: Can Are you too busy?

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Speaker 1: I'm not unsocial? Yeah. Well, our clinics very busy. Just

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Speaker 1: word of mouth and education and our the clinic is

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Speaker 1: MITO Core m I t O Core and that is

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Speaker 1: the new clinic, which is much more focused on longevity

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Speaker 1: and mitochondrial health. It's using much more of a naturopathic model,

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Speaker 1: so not necessarily doctors treating diseases, but really for people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, nice, good, the moant to be great.

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Speaker 4: Yeah are the They both based in Sydney.

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Speaker 1: Yep, they're both in Edgecliff and Sydney.

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Speaker 4: Lucky bastards. They get the good weather in the winter

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Speaker 4: and they also get your clinics, Christine. This has been

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Speaker 4: absolutely awesome, A great dive into the mitochondria, which are hugely,

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Speaker 4: hugely important and I think a very very wide lends

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Speaker 4: view of the mitochondria. And I think for our listeners

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Speaker 4: there's some real actionable stuff because.

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Speaker 2: The mitochondria don't funk you.

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Speaker 4: Well, you're a basket case.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that's why. Well, you know, join us as

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Speaker 1: mitochondriacts and looking at as the chondria and if anyone

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Speaker 1: is into longevity and all that, then you should be

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Speaker 1: a mitochondriact.

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Speaker 4: I love it. I love it, right, that is the

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Speaker 4: title of this talk, Why you need to be a mitochondriact.

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Speaker 2: So cool.

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Speaker 1: I love talking to you. Thank you so much. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate the invite. I know I'm speaking to a different

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Speaker 1: community than what I'm usually speaking to. So I hope

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Speaker 1: this helps your listeners.

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Speaker 4: Oh look, absolutely, no doubt helped my listeners immensely.

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Speaker 2: That is the great.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for giving you your very precious time to

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Speaker 4: help our listeners. Awesome.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for