WEBVTT - Sharri | 16 September 0:00:01.639 --> 0:00:03.279 Why on Sky News. 0:00:03.920 --> 0:00:05.559 This is Sharry. 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:09.040 Good Evening, Welcome to the show. 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:13.240 Tonight, the ABC admits it doctored a video adding in 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:16.200 gunshots to accuse a commando. 0:00:15.760 --> 0:00:17.240 Of being a war criminal. 0:00:17.640 --> 0:00:22.480 This major admission from the ABC's investigations unit. Ben Fordham 0:00:22.560 --> 0:00:25.720 and Sarah Henderson would join me tonight to discuss this 0:00:25.920 --> 0:00:30.520 bombshell revelation. Well, Donald Trump speaks out after a second 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:35.519 assassination attempt? Can the Secret Service actually keep him safe? 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:38.839 I look at this with Kosher Gata and joining us 0:00:38.880 --> 0:00:43.480 live the polster behind new research that shows Dutton could 0:00:43.479 --> 0:00:47.080 be the next Prime Minister. Albanezi clearly on the nose 0:00:47.120 --> 0:00:50.360 with voters. Leo Shanahan will be on the show later. Also, 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:52.720 Karon Milner shares his prediction that. 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:55.440 Albo will be a one term PM. 0:00:56.160 --> 0:00:59.680 But first tonight, the ABC has made a bombshell admission 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:03.960 that it published fake footage with extra gunshots added in 0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:08.280 a report wrongly accusing a hero commander of being a 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:13.160 war criminal. This revelation has rocked the ABC after its 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:17.920 beleagued investigations unit made the devastating admission that it used 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:23.240 fabricated audio as part of its defamatory pursuit of Heston Russell. 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:27.040 As you know, Russell is a decorated Farmer special Forces 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:32.680 commander who fought against Taliban terrorists in Afghanistan. Well, the 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:38.240 ABC's Mark Willersey published downing allegations against Russell and his platoon, 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:42.200 wrongly claiming they killed unarmed civilians. 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:47.640 We don't have the vision that comes immediately before this, 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:51.440 but this Australian soldier is firing towards what appeared to 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:55.160 be unarmed civilians in residential compounds. 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:58.160 And they're saying that you're shooting at unarmed civilians. 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:00.200 And this guy had literally just been on the back 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:04.560 of a motorbike with his mate shooting at two of 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:06.680 my teams that were on the ground. But we don't 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:09.320 see any of it, no, nor do they, but they're 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:11.720 still happy to jump to a conclusion from fifteen seconds 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:12.639 worth of footage. 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:17.120 And that was Heston Russell on Channel seven speaking about 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:21.760 the original ABC broadcast from two years ago. Russell gave 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:25.760 the ABC the raw footage to show the whole context, 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:29.960 but the ABC wouldn't fix its report and Russell took 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:33.800 the public broadcaster to court. He won and was awarded 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:36.160 almost four hundred k in damages. 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:42.160 Two things, First and foremost, it's not me. Secondly, here's 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:44.800 the full context. They were not unarmed civilians. 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:51.800 Incredibly, the ABC refused to acknowledge it, so in September 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:56.240 of twenty twenty two, Russell commenced defamation proceedings in the 0:02:56.280 --> 0:03:01.920 Federal Court to defend himself again against their accusations of 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:05.239 war crimes. The reporter Mark Willisy is saying, we don't 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:09.160 know what happened before this, but he does. He's known 0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:12.399 about it since April last year. For a year he's known. 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:17.880 So what's online, what's up on the net is a lie. 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:18.800 Absolutely. 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:24.359 And now Heston Russell has made the quite extraordinary discovery 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:29.160 that the ABC had edited its footage, adding in extra 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:34.920 gunshots and taking a fifteen second clip entirely out of context. 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:39.280 Here was that amazing revelation on Channel seven last night. 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:44.680 In the actual helmet cam vision, it's a warning shot, 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:55.200 then Heston's command to shoot. 0:03:56.720 --> 0:03:58.160 Followed by six. 0:03:57.920 --> 0:04:08.560 Shots, and then seven went on to explain how the 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:10.680 single warning shot became six. 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:15.600 Have a look, they've literally added extra gunshots. 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:17.240 That's phenomenon. 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:19.960 So I fell off my chair when I saw this. 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:25.720 A forensic audio expert analyzed the footage and had this 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:27.159 to say last night. 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:32.000 They've taken the audio from the six shots and they've 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:35.080 applied it to this video in the news clip, and 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:39.400 they've copied and pasted across this scene. It completely misrepresents 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:41.320 what those soldiers were going through that day. 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:43.960 It also makes you wonder where else has been fabricated? 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:46.360 Doesn't it correct well? 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:50.520 When presented with the evidence, the ABC admitted the concoction. 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:53.880 They said, we have removed the online video where an 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:57.960 error has been identified based on preliminary inspection of the audio. 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:01.560 The ABC is seeking more inf on how this occurred. 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:05.640 Joe Puccini, Mark Willersey, and Josh Robertson had no role 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:08.360 in the production and editing of the online video you've 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:11.960 brought to our attention. Any suggestion that they have acted 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:18.200 inappropriately or unethically is completely false. So these are the 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:20.640 three you can see them on the screen, who claim 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:24.039 they had nothing to do with adding those extra gunshots, 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:29.919 but they were responsible for the defamatory crusade against Russell. 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:33.880 Already the court has heard that they relied on the 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:37.719 hazy memory of an American soldier who said to Mark 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:41.640 Willersey that he couldn't recall any specific details from a 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:45.680 decade ago, and that his account shouldn't be relied on. 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:49.039 Yet that is what the ABC based their story on, 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:53.599 insisting they had a confidential source. And here was Mark 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:58.880 Willersey boasting about repeatedly going back to his source when 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:00.960 he was on stage at Walkley Awards. 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:04.000 And I spent two months checking out, going back to 0:06:04.080 --> 0:06:06.679 this guy, getting more detail, more detailed. 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:11.000 And this is this idea that we we make up 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:11.839 and we don't. 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:15.160 That's Joe Hood abround, laughing out loud. 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:17.440 He can't help himself. And we'll get his opinion on 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:19.600 that in just a minute. But as you saw, Mark 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:23.040 Willisey never mentioned there that his source told him not 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:27.360 to rely on his memory at all. Now, this is 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:31.120 a journalist, Mark Willersey, who has called news corp tabloids, 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:36.560 murdock bottom feeders. Well, I'll tell you this news corp 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:41.520 would never add extra gunshots into a video to falsely 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:47.560 accuse a decorated soldier of war crimes. This unthinkable conduct 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:51.080 happened at the ABC, and it keeps claiming it's the 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:55.719 most trusted media organization in the country. Well, Heston and 0:06:55.760 --> 0:07:00.840 his legal team Barrister Sucrasanthu and Rebecca Giles eventually discovered 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:06.360 the sources, identity and emails from that soldier showed he warned. 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:09.360 The ABC not to rely on his memory. He said 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:10.480 it was hazy. 0:07:11.240 --> 0:07:15.160 What's worse, it's now eventuated that Heston wasn't even in 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:19.120 Afghanistan at the time that the ABC claimed the war 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:20.040 crime happened. 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:24.000 When the ABC published their articles saying this happened between 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:27.640 June and July, and I produced my deployment record that 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:30.600 showed we weren't even in Afghanistan during that time. 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:36.080 Pudin Well, another American soldier who did work with Heston Russell, 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:38.640 had this to say about him. 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:41.920 Most of our one on one interaction was with with Heston, 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:44.680 and then usually we you know, we'd get up with 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:47.240 the platuna in the aircraft. You know, most of the 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:49.640 communication it was with Heston. 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:51.680 Could you rank him highly? 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:54.040 I held him in the highest regard out of everybody 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:55.640 I worked with. I thought he was the most professional 0:07:57.280 --> 0:07:59.480 commander that I got the hand A pleasure of work 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:07.440 went down. I spent a year in Afghanistan during that deployment, 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:10.040 and at no point during that time that I ever 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:15.040 did we ever think that any of the engagements were 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:17.080 illegal or unethical or. 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:19.360 Outside the rules of it. 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:20.320 Absolutely so. 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:24.120 Did anybody try to call you, any journalists from Australia 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:25.280 Do they try to get in touch? 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:29.000 No one ever trying to call me or contact me 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:29.360 about it. 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:29.760 No, sir. 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:35.760 You just think how far removed is that account from 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:39.920 how the ABC chose to portray Heston Russell. They portrayed 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:44.520 him as a murderer who they claimed killed innocent civilians, 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:49.520 and the public broadcaster has refused to apologize, showing extreme 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:53.120 arrogance even after being found in a court of law 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:57.760 to have wrongly pursued an innocent veteran. And here is 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:01.480 the ABC's from a managing director showing no remorse for 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:06.680 destroying Russell's life after publishing utter lies about him. 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:11.720 What do you say to war veteran Heston Russell, the 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:15.960 ABC wrongfully accused of committing all come at. 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:20.040 The moment, I would say that. And the court agrees 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:23.400 that those stories were in the public interests. The ABC 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:25.720 held a genuine belief that they were in the public interest. 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:26.920 The court degrees of that. 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:29.520 I'm not interested in your belief, I'm interested in the 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:33.400 facts you have been found to have him properly and 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:38.160 wrongly accused mister Heston Russell of being a war criminal. 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:42.720 What do you say, firstly to mister Heston Russell, Sandra, if. 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:44.840 You're asking for me to apologize to mister Russell, I'm 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:46.480 not going to apologize to mister Russell. 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:50.760 It's unbelievable. All the ABC is erroneous. 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:55.560 Reporting brought Heston Russell almost to the edge, and the 0:09:55.600 --> 0:10:00.559 ABC even went after his sexuality, shaming him he thought 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:03.040 about taking his own life. 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:04.120 Well. 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:07.400 Rebecca Giles, his lawyer, said that she felt that ABC 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:10.920 was trying to push Russell over the edge. 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:14.920 I think the personal attacks were so hurtful to him 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:18.280 that potentially there was a hope that he wouldn't survive them. 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:21.199 This is disgraceful. 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:26.400 The ABC recklessly destroyed the reputation of a fine serving 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:30.080 commander who had repeatedly put his own life on the 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:34.360 line fighting for our country. The ABC tried to prove 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:36.960 that he was a war criminal, and even in the 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:40.720 face of growing evidence that he was innocent and highly respected, 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:44.920 refused to acknowledge the truth. Well, there needs to be 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:49.880 accountability here. Yet we've seen ABC executives behave as arrogantly 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:54.800 and despicably as their own reporters. The ABC does need 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:59.320 to explain why this team still has jobs if it 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:02.520 doesn't get more more serious than this than doctoring a 0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:06.880 video in a report wrongly accusing a decorated soldier of 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:12.040 war crimes. Well, the accusations against our soldiers against Heston 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:17.400 Russell came very quickly on the ABC. Yeah, the apologies 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:21.920 for getting it wrong have not been forthcoming and this 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:28.680 is shameful. Now Ben Fordham is going to join me 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:30.839 on the show live to speak about this in a moment. 0:11:30.920 --> 0:11:33.840 Also Sarah Henderson as well. But right now let's bring 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:37.720 in Sky News contributor Joe Hildebrand and Daily Telegraph columnist 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:38.679 James Willis. 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:39.839 Welcome it to you both. 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:40.600 Now. 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:43.680 James, you wrote a very strong piece about this in 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:47.960 the Telegraph today. What's your take on this shoddy journalism? 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:50.439 Well, this is as bad as it gets, but it's 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:53.600 part of a wider four year campaign that the ABC 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:58.480 ran against our soldiers, where there were dozens of stories published, 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:01.800 every bit of footage, every from Defense or another sorcering 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:07.559 government was allowed to be massaged together into a campaign against. 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:09.559 Some of the most vulnerable people in the community. 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:13.040 It was rumor, it was innuendo, and ultimately, in the 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:15.440 last twelve months, the ABC has had to take down 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:18.160 from my count three stories in regards to war crimes, 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:20.800 two of them relating to the Heston Russell case after 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:23.760 he won the defamation case against them, and now this 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:28.600 one where they've conceded that there've been multiple gunshots added 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:31.920 to a war crime. I mean, this is really really bad. 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:34.320 What you said there is spot on. There is no 0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:36.840 other newsroom in the country, no other news boss that 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:39.200 would allow this kind of journalism to go ahead, and 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:40.920 yet we're talking about war crimes. 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:41.280 Yeah. 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:44.079 I also liked when you wrote in your piece today 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:47.800 you asked, what is this off for online clicks or 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:50.520 trying to get gongs at industry award nights. 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:52.600 Yeah, that's right, And I think with a lot of 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:55.720 media outlets, or sorry, a few of them, it became 0:12:55.760 --> 0:12:59.120 a race to try and outdo each other and say, okay, 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:01.080 who can we name here? We want to go to 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:03.440 this mission, We want to find out what people are saying, 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:06.560 and ultimately they weren't getting the whole story. They were 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:09.800 getting tiny little bits of information and dressing them up 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:12.920 as incredibly serious accusations. 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:14.119 And the way that this continued. 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:16.760 And let's face it, at the very beginning, Heston Russell 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:19.360 wanted an apology and his legal fees covered to the 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:24.040 tune of about ninety thousand dollars. The ABC refused to apologize, 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:27.840 doubled down, tripled down, went into his private life, and 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:29.520 then at the end of the federal court case, it 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:34.199 costs millions of dollars, But the people involved, the journalists 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:37.800 and the investigations team that ran this campaign against a veteran, 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:40.720 there were no consequences for And I can tell based 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:44.280 on that statement that right now they are trying to, 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:47.560 I have no doubt, to try and blame this on 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:50.400 someone in production or say, oh, look it was an error. 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:51.160 We're sorry. 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:53.400 Someone just went bang bang bang. You know, a couple 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:56.319 more times that person's gone there on a contract. Don't worry, 0:13:56.520 --> 0:13:58.800 Come on, it doesn't. The journalists who put their name 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:01.120 to this story, we all know this, would have sat there, 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:03.160 would have looked through the whole thing and decided what 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:05.320 went to We're in the end, so you know, And 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:07.280 the fact the ABC didn't go out hard on it 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:09.760 this morning, like we know they do when you know 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:12.320 they want to stand up for themselves indicates that there 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:13.120 is a big problem. 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:13.440 Yeah. 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:16.520 Heston Russell came on this program when he first won 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:17.680 his defamation case. 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:19.080 He was very emotional. 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:21.840 I'm pretty sure it was his first television interview, and 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:24.480 he said that ABC nearly broke him. And he said 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:27.480 it was harder to come up against the ABC than 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:31.320 any terrorist in Afghanistan. Joe, you can see the human 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:36.360 consequences that ABC never cared that they were potentially breaking 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:39.880 a soldier with no evidence to support it. 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:40.240 Yeah. 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:42.760 I've only met Heston Russell, I think once or twice. 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:46.160 It's always struck me as the most incredible individual and 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:50.520 incredibly decent and honest and warm and compassionate person. I 0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:52.920 don't know why you would single him out as being 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:57.320 a murdering war criminal without any apparent evidence, and. 0:14:57.280 --> 0:15:00.280 I think that a lot of the I think there 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:01.240 are a couple of interesting things. 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:04.440 One is it's a matter of people in glasshouses not 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:07.200 throwing stones. Now, every journal gets things wrong from time 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:11.360 to time, but not every media institution has its own 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:15.200 inner institution, A, which have more resources than any other 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:19.200 organization in the country, and B, which sits in judgment 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:21.960 quite literally over every other media organization. 0:15:22.040 --> 0:15:23.720 So ABC Paul Barr is a nice guy. I like it. 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:25.720 But the ABC is the only one with a show 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:28.520 called Media Watch, which says, right, all you are the 0:15:28.560 --> 0:15:31.560 ones you're not living up to expectations despite the fact 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:33.760 we're scrambling on far smaller budgets. 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:35.000 The ABC has also got its. 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:37.320 Own fact check unit, and I think that is currently 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:40.760 being revamped after a slight incident with Dick Smith. And 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:42.440 I was lucky enough to do a function with the 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:44.440 person overseeing it, and I'm sure he. 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:47.680 Was very point being. 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:50.840 And yet even after all that, they still manage to 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:52.840 do something like this. And this tells me that there 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:58.840 must be some weird, preconceived, hard baked in idea of 0:15:58.920 --> 0:16:02.000 soldiers as just been intrinsically murderously bad people. 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:03.240 If only we could. 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:04.480 Just get to the bottom of it, because I don't 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:07.160 know how else you would take this one little scaret. 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:09.600 I think he's been this journalist that the ABC have 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:12.800 this god complex and they think they couldn't possibly be wrong. 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:16.000 I should just point out that David Addison, who refused 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:19.200 to apologize in that grilling by Sarah Henderson before he 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:20.480 is still in the job. 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:21.880 He leaves next year. 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:24.200 And Sarah Henderson and Ben Fordham are coming up on 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:26.840 the show to talk more about this. But let's turn 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:31.240 to this massive news today, the second attempted assassination. 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:31.600 Of Donald Trump. 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:34.240 Now, at this point, I'm worried whether he's actually going 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:36.080 to make it to the election alive. 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:38.080 And you know, you just. 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:41.800 Think there are so many crazy enemies out there. They 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:44.000 keep coming for Donald Trump. 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:45.840 James, are you worried. 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:48.480 About this that voters might not actually have a choice, 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:50.320 that they might succeed in killing him. 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:52.680 Well, I think we'd be silly to think this will 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:57.280 be the last attempt assassination attempt on Donald Trump. And 0:16:57.320 --> 0:17:01.400 I think the hostility we're seeing America right now is frightening. 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:03.160 I think, you know, we. 0:17:03.160 --> 0:17:07.200 Have two people that are in a really genuine contest here. 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:09.560 The polls have even up since Joe Biden dropped out, 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:13.280 But ultimately it's terrifying to think that you could be 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:16.760 heading into a poll and anytime Donald Trump steps out 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:19.280 in public or goes on a golf course in this case, 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:21.879 that there would be a possible risk on his life. 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:25.320 I always wonder why the media in these stories reports 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:27.720 on the person's political. 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:29.840 Views or who they've voted for previously. I find that irrelevant. 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:32.919 For someone to be taking this course of action is 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:36.160 just unhinged, and it is terrifying that in a country 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:38.600 like America this does go on. But thank god we 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:39.720 live in Australia, I suppose. 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:43.320 Well, the worst part is it's so incredibly stupid, Like 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:45.600 if this person is trying to stop Donald Trump, it 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:47.919 is events like this which actually make him more popular. 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:49.960 The more you make him a martyr, the more popular is. 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:51.919 This is why the judge was smart enough to know 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:55.479 not to sentence him before election day. This is why 0:17:55.680 --> 0:17:59.280 his popularity shot up to unprecedented heights after the first 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:03.800 assassination attempt. Here's someone who's actually clearly unhinged, clearly too 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:06.480 stupid to be able to think it through, but who 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:10.400 was actually going through with this and trying to stop 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:11.360 him when in fact they're. 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:11.840 Just fueling him. 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:13.960 But I find it, I actually find it very interesting 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:18.360 that this person, who does appear to be a Democrat supporter, 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:20.600 has previously said that apparently he said he voted for 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:22.280 Donald Trump in twenty sixteen, but he voted in a 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:25.440 Democratic primary. 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:25.320 And well or whatever whatever. 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:27.280 But the point I think, well, no, I think the 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:29.280 point is though, that this seems to have been very 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:31.680 much downplayed, Like whenever else you get an attempted shooter 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:34.000 or attemption, it's like, oh, it's an extreme right winger 0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:36.840 with you know, with you know, all these crazy views, 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:38.640 and he loves guns, and he's got you know, he's 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:39.879 a racist and he hates this. 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:42.960 We only seeing the assassination Trump, that's. 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:44.879 Right, But as soon as it's someone with links to 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:46.200 the Democrats, it's like, oh, yeah. 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:46.879 He was known to police. 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:48.040 Yeah, yeah, exactly. 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:51.280 And Koshergarder would join me later to speak about Joe 0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:52.679 Biden's reaction to this. 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:55.200 Now let's have a look at Twiggy Forest. 0:18:55.280 --> 0:18:57.880 Now we know he loves a bit of good publicity 0:18:57.920 --> 0:19:00.679 and he was keen to reveal the man behind the 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:03.120 headlines to the Daily Telegraph on the weekend. 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:05.480 He then went on to detail, and this. 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:08.840 Is the very first paragraph of the entire story. 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:11.920 He talks about an horrific. 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:14.600 Childhood trauma, and the Telly reports that at eight years 0:19:14.600 --> 0:19:17.200 of age, Twiggy recall sitting in the back of his 0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:19.879 father's ute holding the hand of a badly burnt and 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:24.600 dying man, and Twiggy says, I don't share that story, 0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:27.320 but I wanted to share it with you because it's 0:19:27.359 --> 0:19:28.720 why I have such a deep. 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:30.040 Appreciation for life. 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:33.480 Well, that's interesting, he says, this is a story he 0:19:33.520 --> 0:19:35.760 doesn't share. But let's have a look at the Sydney 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:38.359 Morning Herald from back in two thousand and nine, where 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:42.359 again the start of the story says, when he was eight, 0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:45.280 Andrew Forrest held a man in his final moments before 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:49.600 death from bushfire injuries. The man passed away as the 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:53.960 youngsters sang him nursery rhymes. Now, James, obviously this is 0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:55.000 a tragic story. 0:19:55.760 --> 0:19:56.760 But what is. 0:19:56.760 --> 0:20:01.600 Twiggy trying to achieve here? Is this an image brandt Well? 0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:06.679 I think two years a very fascinating person, and the 0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:09.119 supporters of him say that he's on this campaign to 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:10.240 save the planet. 0:20:10.320 --> 0:20:12.119 Other people have accused him. 0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:15.440 Of flat at greenwashing, and I think the truth lights 0:20:15.480 --> 0:20:18.560 somewhere in the middle there. But he's always struck me 0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:21.199 as someone that is desperate to be liked by the 0:20:21.240 --> 0:20:23.920 public and wants to leave this great legacy. 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:25.680 Now that can be done in a range. 0:20:25.440 --> 0:20:27.640 Of ways, but for him it's clearly very important and 0:20:28.280 --> 0:20:29.840 on a number of fronts, with a number of the 0:20:29.880 --> 0:20:30.760 things he's done. 0:20:30.600 --> 0:20:32.000 Publicly over the last few years. 0:20:32.040 --> 0:20:34.399 I feel like, ultimately he is desperate to make that 0:20:34.520 --> 0:20:37.960 legacy count. He's clearly forgotten the fact that he told 0:20:37.960 --> 0:20:39.680 the story previously fifteen years. 0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:41.720 Ago, but I can't remember much that I did fifteen 0:20:43.560 --> 0:20:45.960 Tell you a story fifteen years is exactly. 0:20:46.440 --> 0:20:49.800 So much positive publicity that I guess he can't remember 0:20:49.960 --> 0:20:53.080 his own spent now. The who's who of Australian television 0:20:53.119 --> 0:20:56.280 came together last night in a moving memorial for TV 0:20:56.400 --> 0:21:00.760 legend Reg Grundy, six years since his pass and he 0:21:00.840 --> 0:21:03.800 was remembered in a joint memorial with his late wife, 0:21:04.000 --> 0:21:08.600 Joy Chambers Grundy, she passed away last year. Have a 0:21:08.600 --> 0:21:11.600 look at some of the tributes to him from Tracy Grimshaw, 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:13.480