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Speaker 1: Approache Production.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Secrets of the Underworld. I am Neil the

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Speaker 2: Muscle Comments and in this episode I speak to former

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Speaker 2: drug dealer turned star comedian Andrew Hamilton.

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Speaker 3: I said, there's got to be a better way to

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Speaker 3: get these mushrooms into your system, so I cannot with

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Speaker 3: the idea of his putting them into capsules.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that turned out to be a really good business idea.

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Speaker 3: For about a decade, it was just mushrooms, and then

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Speaker 3: I expanded into MDMA, ketamine, cocaine and as I got

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Speaker 3: a rest of that same weekend and that happened. So

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Speaker 3: a lot of guys in jail I thought I was

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Speaker 3: a lot bigger than I was, because I thought I

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Speaker 3: was part of this animal thing and I'm just a

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Speaker 3: friendly neighborhood mushroom the.

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Speaker 1: Letter from Sarry Hills.

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Speaker 3: But it wasn't until I was in jail where I

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Speaker 3: just asked myself, all right, well your life, if you

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Speaker 3: could just start over, what would you do?

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Speaker 1: And the only answer in my head was stand up corner.

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Speaker 4: Andrew, thank you for coming on.

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Speaker 2: Out of all the guests, you have been the biggest

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Speaker 2: effort to get on my podcast.

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Speaker 4: Well let's be eventually I've got you.

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Speaker 1: It's because you've been messaging.

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Speaker 2: With like, hey, are you available tomorrow, and I'm like, no,

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Speaker 2: I don't get people much notice.

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Speaker 4: Broken.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad we've done it. I've done it, and so

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Speaker 1: here we are. Thank you very much.

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Speaker 4: Now it's a pleasure, man.

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Speaker 2: So what we'll do is we'll start off before all

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Speaker 2: a nitty gritty of you becoming a stand up comedian

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Speaker 2: and your time inside growing up and how you got

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Speaker 2: to the well you know, eventually got to where you

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Speaker 2: are now.

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Speaker 3: Sure, man, I grew up in Hornsby, which is like

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Speaker 3: on the north Shore of Sydney. Or I grew up

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Speaker 3: in Hornsby Heights, which is like the even shitter version

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Speaker 3: of Hornsby. It's like you get to Hornsby and then

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Speaker 3: you've got to get another bus for like fucking twenty

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Speaker 3: minutes from Hornsby, so it's out in the sticks.

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Speaker 1: And I grew up one of five kids.

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Speaker 3: I got three sisters and a brother, pretty average middle

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Speaker 3: class upbringing.

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Speaker 1: My parents sent me to a private school when I

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Speaker 3: So I went to a private school in Lane Cove

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Speaker 3: in Sydney called Riverview Satdy Nation's College.

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Speaker 1: Which is like a pretty prestigious.

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Speaker 3: School, and I had a great growing up. You know,

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Speaker 3: I had a lot of friends. I played sport. But

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Speaker 3: then I think, yeah, I kind of never knew what

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Speaker 3: I wanted to do with my life when I kind

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Speaker 3: of hit UNI, and so I went to Union in

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I went there and spent most of the

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Speaker 3: time just doing drugs and drinking and fucking.

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Speaker 1: Not really doing much work, so mostly just partying, partying

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then leon know what, I had to spa

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Speaker 3: a moment, I'd try and do a little bit of

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Speaker 3: the party. So, you know, it was a miracle that

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Speaker 3: But most of the time I was at UNI, I

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Speaker 3: was also like selling ecstasy to my mates and other people.

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Speaker 1: It's unied, just to like make a bit of money.

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Speaker 2: Just to hold you then so old you then when

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Speaker 2: you start I was like nineteen, and what made you

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Speaker 2: start selling?

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Speaker 1: I just knew people that I was that shit. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was just people had trouble.

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Speaker 3: Finding it, and I knew heaps of people from growing

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Speaker 3: done in Baffist the life of the party.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I would do that because.

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Speaker 2: I've been to a buffers, like I've been down there

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Speaker 2: I know what it's like in a newcomer.

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Speaker 4: You're not fucking usually welcome if they know you're a

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Speaker 3: Well it's yeah, that's true when you're downtown, but when

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Speaker 3: It's mostly people from Sydney living on campus, right, and

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Speaker 3: so it's like a completely different universe to the townies.

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Speaker 1: That's what we would call them, which was people that.

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Speaker 3: Live downtown that when you're at the local park. They

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Speaker 1: You always not discussed. So it's strength in numbers.

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Speaker 3: So you would only go to the bars where other

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Speaker 3: UNI students were, so you're always kind of protected by

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Speaker 2: So you got to know the dealers in Baffist or

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Speaker 1: I'd get back to Sydney and just drive back with

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Speaker 1: like two hundred and thirty out of pills.

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Speaker 4: And yet back then you didn't your ship driving with nothing.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 2: I was never thought like what happens if I get caught?

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Speaker 3: No, man, I was just like what I'm a UNI

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Speaker 3: student with in a ship card with pea plates. Some

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Speaker 3: I'm a white private school kid. I didn't think anyone

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Speaker 3: was particularly looking for me. Nah, it didn't occur to

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Speaker 3: And like even if you get pulled over for what

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Speaker 3: going to be like, can we check your cart for draft?

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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe it's different for me because I'm used to

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Speaker 2: getting pulled over and fucking It's like, get out the car, you.

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Speaker 5: Look dodgy, You look dodgy, You know, you look you

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Speaker 1: It's true, my dad Now, so that nova was a

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Speaker 3: And so I just did that just to help pay

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Speaker 3: I went to Thailand and with a bunch of mates

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Speaker 3: in like my second year at UNI, so would have

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Speaker 3: And I tried magic mushrooms in Copenyang at a place

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Speaker 3: to fuck you grow mushroom. But he has quite an

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Speaker 3: next thing you know, we were growing different strains and

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Speaker 3: I'd just be there with my mates at UNI eating

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Speaker 3: and we just were eating like half a jar of peanut.

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Speaker 3: But I just to get these mushrooms down. And then

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Speaker 3: I said, there's got to be a better way to

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Speaker 1: And so that tended to be a really good business idea.

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Speaker 3: And so then I would just be selling them to

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Speaker 2: Over the course of fifteen years, we are we talking

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Speaker 1: Well, what a surprise, I have some here for us.

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Speaker 1: I believe that I meant to do this.

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Speaker 3: Tode we put some psychedelicts on the screens, just a

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Speaker 1: Bag for one help of a podcast. They're like, why

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Speaker 1: is this one episode of Secrets in the Other World?

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Speaker 4: So long?

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Speaker 2: Ah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the first time Neil tries. So man, there's so

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Speaker 3: much fun, like they just if you have on the

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Speaker 2: But is it like pot like pot or No, it's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's it's a very different body feeling. I

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Speaker 3: you know. So yeah, mushrooms always worked for me. But

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Speaker 2: Because I'm trying to picture like like a mushroom what

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Speaker 2: I'm going to focus because I swear I'd never you

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Speaker 2: know what. Actually, back when I was a kid, I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I've never really gone into depth to try one.

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Speaker 2: I just tried a couple of times, you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean. But ye, mushrooms, I haven't got a clue

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Speaker 2: what I would do for you. Yeah, so it just

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Speaker 2: chills you. It's how do I describe it?

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Speaker 3: It feels like a strong pill, Like your body feels

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Speaker 3: gigly's you find more social that when when I'm on

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Speaker 3: Whereas this is, I still feel like I'm very present,

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Speaker 3: but I have a very euphoric high. And then colors

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Speaker 3: some kind of like psychedelic kaleidoscope going on in your eyes,

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Speaker 3: and yeah, you just it's just good man, and then

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Speaker 3: when it wears off, you don't have that same scatteredness

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Speaker 2: But also it's something I could I could take if

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Speaker 1: Acid as well. Fucking hell, it was a one stop

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Speaker 3: I want to go on to like a party on

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Speaker 2: How did you distribute it all? Like, you know where

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Speaker 3: I had me at my house and people would come over.

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Speaker 3: Really yeah for fifteen years, and you didn't fucking flinch

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Speaker 2: I don't think so fucking fifteen sixteen years. Well, I

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Speaker 3: I wasn't in the one I wasn't in one location

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Speaker 4: So everything was stored in your house. Everything.

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Speaker 3: But when I was unfortunately but whin my house did

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Speaker 3: So it just save me having to go back and forth.

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Speaker 3: And so the day that they got raided, I probably

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Speaker 2: But you didn't even think like like it sounds like

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Speaker 4: Nah nah, you sound like that. That helps and lockstock

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Speaker 1: The weed out. Yeah. I guess it was probably like that.

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Speaker 3: too trippy, bro like that that I was irrelevant to them,

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Speaker 3: And so it ended up being pretty good at Learner.

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Speaker 1: Righted and what do you do shit. Yeah, So anyway,

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Speaker 3: Cliche movies at some point, got a good woman brings

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Speaker 3: you down?

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Wow, I'm going to go back and be because I

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Speaker 2: had to look up what you know, you on on

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Speaker 4: You so young. The pizza restaurant, Yeah, were you showing

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Speaker 1: No? No, I kept the business and the pleasure.

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Speaker 2: Because I was thinking, in fact, this is like a

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Speaker 3: Ye?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Do you want to cope with that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, bottles of magic mushroom pizza.

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Speaker 4: So that that was kept separate?

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Speaker 1: Was it? That was kept sever Yeah?

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Speaker 4: So everything was just from the house. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So your mistresses get like gone out and she's

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Speaker 3: And now she had too much coke, I think, and

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Speaker 4: But she just went to a cop shopped.

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Speaker 2: So where were you living it at this time? Surry Hills,

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Speaker 3: And then eventually I just got back into it, and

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Speaker 4: Okay, And were you still with your missus when that happened.

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Speaker 3: I know she didn't mean to, so I was happy

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Speaker 2: Fucking hell, So, tell me about when you got raided, Like,

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Speaker 3: They found like I think about four hundred grams about

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Speaker 3: more of MD, about half an oca of cat and

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Speaker 4: So what's going through your head that this time?

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Speaker 3: I thought it was an idea I was so I

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Speaker 3: i'll go to the backup house and fucking sell gear

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Speaker 3: from there and fucking just sort the situation out. And

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think I was just in my

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Speaker 3: I mean, I guess I didn't know, but I didn't

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Speaker 3: drug offense. Yeah, I had an assult charge from like

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00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,000
Speaker 3: twenty years ago, but it was my first drug offense.

443
00:17:33,241 --> 00:17:35,721
Speaker 3: And yeah, so look, you know, you wake up twenty

444
00:17:35,721 --> 00:17:37,561
Speaker 3: four hours after that, I'm in a mass of security prison.

445
00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:42,240
Speaker 2: Wow, it's okay, So you refuse bail, You're taken to

446
00:17:42,281 --> 00:17:42,680
Speaker 2: the prison.

447
00:17:43,921 --> 00:17:44,840
Speaker 4: What was it was that feeling?

448
00:17:44,921 --> 00:17:46,801
Speaker 3: Like, well, it was a weird feeling because it was

449
00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,720
Speaker 3: during COVID, So like I was, I was in Parkley Prison.

450
00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,440
Speaker 1: You're like, you got a fucking me. Yeah, so you

451
00:17:52,521 --> 00:17:53,281
Speaker 1: got a strip naked.

452
00:17:53,360 --> 00:17:55,561
Speaker 3: You're getting used to fucking just being a slab of meat,

453
00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:57,520
Speaker 3: having a lift your ball sack and fucking flick your

454
00:17:57,521 --> 00:17:59,960
Speaker 3: ears and whatever, and you know, changed out of your

455
00:17:59,961 --> 00:18:02,921
Speaker 3: clothes into green clothes and getting processed and like I'm

456
00:18:02,921 --> 00:18:04,921
Speaker 3: still fucking like recovering from a from.

457
00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:05,521
Speaker 1: A OAP bender.

458
00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:07,681
Speaker 3: So it's all a bit of a blur and you're

459
00:18:07,681 --> 00:18:10,321
Speaker 3: getting tested for COVID and then you're putting quarantine for

460
00:18:10,441 --> 00:18:12,720
Speaker 3: two weeks, and so it was kind of like a

461
00:18:12,761 --> 00:18:15,440
Speaker 3: weird way of getting used to jail because like the

462
00:18:15,441 --> 00:18:17,521
Speaker 3: first two weeks, you can hear the sound of a prison,

463
00:18:17,561 --> 00:18:19,801
Speaker 3: but you're in your own cell for like, so you're

464
00:18:19,801 --> 00:18:21,441
Speaker 3: like you're in your head going like, what the fuck's

465
00:18:21,441 --> 00:18:22,361
Speaker 3: are going to be like out there?

466
00:18:23,120 --> 00:18:25,440
Speaker 1: So that made it harder because for the first two.

467
00:18:25,281 --> 00:18:28,440
Speaker 3: Weeks I was in quarantine and I had no TV

468
00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,240
Speaker 3: or books for the first ten days, and so you

469
00:18:31,360 --> 00:18:32,801
Speaker 3: just did a cell for twenty three and a half

470
00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:34,761
Speaker 3: hours a day with nothing to do other than stare

471
00:18:34,801 --> 00:18:38,201
Speaker 3: at the ceiling try and sleep or just be stuck

472
00:18:38,201 --> 00:18:40,561
Speaker 3: in your own fucked thoughts, which are only negative for

473
00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,041
Speaker 3: that point because you've just been pinched, right, So it

474
00:18:43,120 --> 00:18:44,521
Speaker 3: was pretty That was probably the hardest part of the

475
00:18:44,521 --> 00:18:48,321
Speaker 3: whole thing, was just particularly in my mental businesses, no visitors, nothing,

476
00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,680
Speaker 3: like I hadn't figured out to add numbers to the

477
00:18:51,681 --> 00:18:53,721
Speaker 3: phone yet, so like it was just you're just stuck

478
00:18:53,721 --> 00:18:55,080
Speaker 3: in a cell for twenty three and a half hours

479
00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:57,801
Speaker 3: a day, just pacing around, just doing nothing, trying to

480
00:18:57,801 --> 00:18:59,081
Speaker 3: break up the day in any way you can.

481
00:18:59,681 --> 00:19:00,120
Speaker 4: What about you?

482
00:19:00,120 --> 00:19:01,801
Speaker 2: Finally, did they know about it all this? Did they

483
00:19:01,801 --> 00:19:02,840
Speaker 2: have a clue what you were doing?

484
00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:03,400
Speaker 3: Nah?

485
00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:05,521
Speaker 1: I don't think they hadn't known a club I was doing.

486
00:19:05,561 --> 00:19:07,041
Speaker 3: But I did have a phone call with him when

487
00:19:07,041 --> 00:19:09,720
Speaker 3: I was in there for about five days to just

488
00:19:09,801 --> 00:19:11,240
Speaker 3: to I was able to speak with him, and they

489
00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:13,600
Speaker 3: said that they thought Joe was probably gonna be the

490
00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:17,401
Speaker 3: best thing for me, which wasn't really helpful. They ended

491
00:19:17,481 --> 00:19:19,640
Speaker 3: up being right, but it's like, you know, what has

492
00:19:19,721 --> 00:19:24,400
Speaker 3: just happened. You're like, shut up, You're probably right, But

493
00:19:24,441 --> 00:19:25,241
Speaker 3: I said not the time.

494
00:19:25,360 --> 00:19:27,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're not ready for that.

495
00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:31,841
Speaker 3: Yeah. So you get through the quarantine part, which was fucked,

496
00:19:32,001 --> 00:19:32,601
Speaker 3: and then.

497
00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:34,841
Speaker 1: Who's the first person that you spoke to in there?

498
00:19:35,360 --> 00:19:37,240
Speaker 3: The first person I spoke to was my Seally, the

499
00:19:37,281 --> 00:19:39,481
Speaker 3: guy who I traveled in the truck with from park

500
00:19:39,961 --> 00:19:43,481
Speaker 3: to park Lay and he and I ended up becoming

501
00:19:43,561 --> 00:19:45,840
Speaker 3: very good friends and we ended up being cell mates.

502
00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,521
Speaker 3: And form he was in there because.

503
00:19:48,321 --> 00:19:51,281
Speaker 1: He'd worked at the docks and he was just a

504
00:19:51,321 --> 00:19:52,441
Speaker 1: guy that passed on information.

505
00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,080
Speaker 3: If the AFP were looking in certain containers, then he

506
00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,720
Speaker 3: would just like just give him a tip off, and

507
00:19:57,801 --> 00:19:59,961
Speaker 3: so he got arrested for that. When when the animal

508
00:20:00,001 --> 00:20:03,801
Speaker 3: takedown went down, when you know they had that app

509
00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,120
Speaker 3: that was created by the FBI and they took the

510
00:20:06,201 --> 00:20:07,681
Speaker 3: hands of people. I got the rest of that same

511
00:20:07,721 --> 00:20:09,521
Speaker 3: weekend did that happened. So a lot of guys in

512
00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,041
Speaker 3: jail thought I was a lot bigger than I was

513
00:20:11,120 --> 00:20:13,121
Speaker 3: because they thought I was part of this animal thing

514
00:20:13,120 --> 00:20:17,721
Speaker 3: and I'm just I'm just a friendly I'm just a

515
00:20:17,761 --> 00:20:20,160
Speaker 3: friendly neighborhood mushroom d level from Sarry Hill, so it

516
00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:21,120
Speaker 3: doesn't know anyone.

517
00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:27,281
Speaker 1: Body. So yeah, he was the first guy I spoke.

518
00:20:27,360 --> 00:20:30,001
Speaker 3: So we ended up being being Selly's and their four

519
00:20:30,001 --> 00:20:31,561
Speaker 3: different prison wings, and he was great.

520
00:20:31,681 --> 00:20:33,880
Speaker 1: He helped me through a lot of didn't been in

521
00:20:33,921 --> 00:20:34,441
Speaker 1: there before.

522
00:20:34,681 --> 00:20:37,041
Speaker 3: No, there was probably the reason we connected was because

523
00:20:37,041 --> 00:20:38,761
Speaker 3: we're both in there for the first time and we're

524
00:20:38,761 --> 00:20:40,960
Speaker 3: both figuring it out together, having no idea what the

525
00:20:40,961 --> 00:20:43,641
Speaker 3: fuck the systems are for everything from like from buy

526
00:20:43,801 --> 00:20:48,281
Speaker 3: up to fucking like just yard politics to fucking making

527
00:20:48,321 --> 00:20:50,360
Speaker 3: the phone work, to get the phone working, to just

528
00:20:50,481 --> 00:20:52,920
Speaker 3: get anything. We were all figuring it out together, so

529
00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,321
Speaker 3: it was good to have someone who was as clueless

530
00:20:55,360 --> 00:20:55,840
Speaker 3: as I was.

531
00:20:56,241 --> 00:20:58,920
Speaker 2: So when when you eventually got to be a normal

532
00:20:59,041 --> 00:21:02,361
Speaker 2: person inside there, did you get any bothered? Did anybody

533
00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:04,400
Speaker 2: come over to ask you who you were or anything

534
00:21:04,441 --> 00:21:05,600
Speaker 2: like that, or they just left you along?

535
00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:09,521
Speaker 1: Did you just I didn't really have anyone particularly hass me.

536
00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,160
Speaker 3: Sometimes guys would would would try and like test you

537
00:21:12,481 --> 00:21:14,241
Speaker 3: in like the phone line, try and push in front

538
00:21:14,241 --> 00:21:16,641
Speaker 3: of you or something like that. Or there was one

539
00:21:16,681 --> 00:21:18,441
Speaker 3: guy who pinched me on the ass a couple of times,

540
00:21:18,481 --> 00:21:19,921
Speaker 3: and I thought, fuck, this could be a problem because

541
00:21:19,921 --> 00:21:21,840
Speaker 3: it was pretty it was pretty big, and I was like,

542
00:21:22,360 --> 00:21:24,561
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to fucking fight this guy, because you

543
00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:25,801
Speaker 3: know it's going to be hard.

544
00:21:26,921 --> 00:21:28,481
Speaker 1: But likely part of it.

545
00:21:28,441 --> 00:21:30,400
Speaker 3: Is that I'm also I'm not small, so I think

546
00:21:30,521 --> 00:21:32,241
Speaker 3: like and it looked like I always stand up for myself.

547
00:21:32,241 --> 00:21:34,400
Speaker 1: So they usually go for whoever's the weakest target.

548
00:21:34,441 --> 00:21:36,961
Speaker 3: You know, any guys look like you can go steal

549
00:21:36,961 --> 00:21:38,600
Speaker 3: their buy up and they won't even say anything, or

550
00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:40,001
Speaker 3: if they do, you can just punch them in the hand.

551
00:21:40,041 --> 00:21:44,041
Speaker 3: I'll go for those guys much much before anyone who

552
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,400
Speaker 3: they think can actually like probably give them a fair fight.

553
00:21:47,281 --> 00:21:50,321
Speaker 3: But I made some mates in the yard and just

554
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,200
Speaker 3: tried to if you're not wracking up drug debts and

555
00:21:53,241 --> 00:21:55,920
Speaker 3: you're not involved in the drug trade in there, and

556
00:21:55,961 --> 00:21:58,281
Speaker 3: you're not talking shit you're involved in any kind of

557
00:21:58,281 --> 00:22:00,441
Speaker 3: gang beefs, you can kind of find.

558
00:22:00,281 --> 00:22:02,241
Speaker 1: A way to face you out out of trouble, you know.

559
00:22:02,441 --> 00:22:04,761
Speaker 3: And so that's what I did, was just try and

560
00:22:04,801 --> 00:22:06,721
Speaker 3: not get into any arguments with anyone and just mind

561
00:22:06,721 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 3: my own business and just get through my days.

562
00:22:08,921 --> 00:22:09,960
Speaker 4: What the prison goes with you?

563
00:22:10,041 --> 00:22:10,241
Speaker 7: With you?

564
00:22:10,281 --> 00:22:14,160
Speaker 3: All right? With you? I found that park Lee, they

565
00:22:14,201 --> 00:22:16,321
Speaker 3: were pretty putrid. Like it was just something I think

566
00:22:16,321 --> 00:22:18,640
Speaker 3: about the culture. It's a private prison, right, so I

567
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,001
Speaker 3: think there's just something about the way a private prison

568
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,601
Speaker 3: is run which seems to run through the entire culture

569
00:22:24,681 --> 00:22:26,400
Speaker 3: of the way that they're trained and taught is to

570
00:22:26,441 --> 00:22:29,001
Speaker 3: treat you as subhuman, just like that you're not even there.

571
00:22:29,721 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 3: And I think that also happens to permeate into the

572
00:22:33,721 --> 00:22:37,721
Speaker 3: nursing group there, which is some Saint Vincent's hospital, because

573
00:22:37,921 --> 00:22:40,761
Speaker 3: the same way I ask him every day, I said,

574
00:22:40,761 --> 00:22:43,081
Speaker 3: I have asthma. I'm asking for evenuland Inhaler and every

575
00:22:43,120 --> 00:22:45,160
Speaker 3: day just look at you like they have never spoken

576
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:45,281
Speaker 3: to you.

577
00:22:45,321 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 1: Before they go.

578
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,120
Speaker 3: We'll have to check and I'm like, I've asked you

579
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,920
Speaker 3: this seventeen days in a row, like what are we

580
00:22:50,961 --> 00:22:54,201
Speaker 3: doing here? And so it just drives you insane because

581
00:22:54,201 --> 00:22:56,201
Speaker 3: you feel like you're having Groundhog Day every day.

582
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:57,160
Speaker 1: And I remember I.

583
00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,400
Speaker 3: Asked them for pananole because I had a cold, and

584
00:22:59,921 --> 00:23:02,361
Speaker 3: my sally told me, don't fucking ask him for pananole

585
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,281
Speaker 3: because you're going to fucking get us locked away for COVID.

586
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 3: And I was like, I was like, they're decent people.

587
00:23:08,281 --> 00:23:10,400
Speaker 3: They're going to give me a fucking panalole, that's all right.

588
00:23:10,521 --> 00:23:12,521
Speaker 3: So I asked them for panadole. We both got locked

589
00:23:12,521 --> 00:23:15,521
Speaker 3: away for COVID, and he was like, I fucking told you,

590
00:23:15,561 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 3: and I'm all right, I'm sorry. So I'd lay there

591
00:23:17,721 --> 00:23:19,880
Speaker 3: in a bed for like three days with throbbing cold

592
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 3: and all I wanted was a fucking panadole. And we

593
00:23:23,120 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 3: had to wait in there for three days pending a

594
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,561
Speaker 3: COVID test. And when we got out, one of the

595
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,801
Speaker 3: other inmates come to me and goes, mate, here's some panadole.

596
00:23:30,041 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 3: Next time you need help, don't ask the screws, don't

597
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,281
Speaker 3: ask the nurses. They'll never help you. The other boys

598
00:23:34,281 --> 00:23:36,121
Speaker 3: will help you, and that showed me everything I needed

599
00:23:36,120 --> 00:23:38,601
Speaker 3: to know, right, which is like, but Parkley, they were

600
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,200
Speaker 3: never there to help you in any way. And that's

601
00:23:40,201 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 3: why I wrote a letter to the governor and was like,

602
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,400
Speaker 3: this is a culture you've created, and that's why if

603
00:23:44,441 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 3: anyone does have COVID, the whole place is going to

604
00:23:46,761 --> 00:23:50,241
Speaker 3: erupt into a fucking COVID outbreak because no one would

605
00:23:50,281 --> 00:23:52,081
Speaker 3: ever speak because you know, guys can help them.

606
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 4: Yeah.

607
00:23:53,201 --> 00:23:55,640
Speaker 3: Four weeks later, Parkley Prison had the biggest COVID outbreak

608
00:23:55,681 --> 00:23:58,360
Speaker 3: in any prison in the country. Yeah, so fucking I

609
00:23:58,481 --> 00:24:01,841
Speaker 3: fucking told you so. Anyway, it's now there's changing. It's

610
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,961
Speaker 3: now be coming back present a couple of months or

611
00:24:04,001 --> 00:24:05,640
Speaker 3: something like that. It's going back to being public prison

612
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 3: because and that's a good thing, because private prisons is

613
00:24:09,241 --> 00:24:10,880
Speaker 3: just something wrong. Because I've got sent to Long Bay

614
00:24:11,201 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 3: soon after I sent that letter. I don't know if

615
00:24:12,721 --> 00:24:14,880
Speaker 3: it's connected, but I don't know if they thought it

616
00:24:14,921 --> 00:24:16,721
Speaker 3: was a nuisance or whether I got sent to Long

617
00:24:16,761 --> 00:24:19,281
Speaker 3: Bay for any other reason. But I went there and

618
00:24:19,281 --> 00:24:23,321
Speaker 3: it's public prison. Got treated great straight away, straight away.

619
00:24:23,360 --> 00:24:25,440
Speaker 3: If you give them respect, they'll give it back to you.

620
00:24:25,481 --> 00:24:27,321
Speaker 3: They'll treat you like a human being, and that just

621
00:24:27,321 --> 00:24:30,601
Speaker 3: showed me night and day that Parkley had these amazing

622
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 3: facilities make much better than Long Bay. But it's riding

623
00:24:34,921 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 3: on the inside. It's treated they don't treat you like

624
00:24:36,761 --> 00:24:38,561
Speaker 3: human beings. And then you go to Long Bay and

625
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,081
Speaker 3: it's like the place is falling apart. It's like rat infested,

626
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,201
Speaker 3: fucking shithole. But ut less, you get treated nice enough.

627
00:24:44,281 --> 00:24:46,201
Speaker 2: You know how long, how long you have your sentence

628
00:24:46,241 --> 00:24:47,160
Speaker 2: were you're in Long before?

629
00:24:47,241 --> 00:24:49,601
Speaker 3: So I was in Parkly for two months and then

630
00:24:49,721 --> 00:24:53,321
Speaker 3: I got sent to Long Bay for two months, and

631
00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:55,441
Speaker 3: then I got bail, and then I was under house

632
00:24:55,521 --> 00:24:58,041
Speaker 3: arrests for about six months. And then I got sentenced

633
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 3: to an ICO, which is an intensive corrections order. And

634
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,161
Speaker 3: I got put on a two and a half year ICO,

635
00:25:03,241 --> 00:25:06,120
Speaker 3: which is like a prison sentence you doing community yea yeah,

636
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,321
Speaker 3: and that finished in December last year.

637
00:25:08,961 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 1: I finished in December last year. Yeah, so it's all,

638
00:25:11,761 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 1: oh wow, so now I'm allowed to travel again.

639
00:25:14,721 --> 00:25:17,160
Speaker 4: Oh you know, oh.

640
00:25:17,041 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 1: Shit, Yeah, so it's all pretty recent. Yeah.

641
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,521
Speaker 2: Yeah, I knew it was back in twenty twenty one,

642
00:25:21,801 --> 00:25:22,801
Speaker 2: but I didn't realize.

643
00:25:22,561 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 4: It just ended recently year December. Oh shit.

644
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,241
Speaker 3: So It was quite funny because I got invited by

645
00:25:30,120 --> 00:25:33,321
Speaker 3: Silverwater Prison to perform up to do stand up comedy

646
00:25:33,360 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 3: in there last year, but then I failed their own

647
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:41,360
Speaker 3: background check because I was still on an ICI. They

648
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 3: didn't even know though, no, no, not until I started

649
00:25:43,921 --> 00:25:46,001
Speaker 3: the background check and I was like, well you invited me,

650
00:25:46,241 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 3: but like anyway, So we did that about what was

651
00:25:49,001 --> 00:25:51,241
Speaker 3: eight weeks six weeks ago I did. I did a

652
00:25:51,281 --> 00:25:55,041
Speaker 3: performance at Silverwater which was pretty crazy, and I've just

653
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,441
Speaker 3: been invited to perform at another prison out west soon,

654
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,080
Speaker 3: so you know, I might be sart of my own

655
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 3: stand up comedy circuit around business last prison, Well, I

656
00:26:03,241 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 3: like to do it.

657
00:26:03,761 --> 00:26:04,241
Speaker 1: That's different.

658
00:26:04,321 --> 00:26:06,801
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like to do it because it's just it's

659
00:26:06,801 --> 00:26:09,521
Speaker 3: so boring in there, and there's just every day is

660
00:26:09,521 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 3: the same. So if I can do anything just to

661
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 3: provide a bit of laughter to the boys and just

662
00:26:13,761 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 3: give them a bit of hope, it's worthwhile because I

663
00:26:16,281 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 3: know from my own perspective that anytime I laughed in jail,

664
00:26:20,360 --> 00:26:24,041
Speaker 3: it made me just remember that there's there's something beyond this.

665
00:26:24,201 --> 00:26:26,521
Speaker 3: You know, I can turn my life around and that

666
00:26:26,561 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 3: it's not all going to be doom and gloom.

667
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,120
Speaker 2: So how many how many did you perform to when

668
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:31,761
Speaker 2: you're in the jail when you recent them.

669
00:26:32,001 --> 00:26:33,360
Speaker 1: It was about one hundred inmates.

670
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,360
Speaker 4: I'm just sitting there watching it.

671
00:26:35,441 --> 00:26:39,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's about one hundred inmates in maxim security at MWRC,

672
00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 3: which is the Romand Center at Silver Water, surrounded by

673
00:26:42,281 --> 00:26:44,681
Speaker 3: about maybe like thirty or forty prison guards and about

674
00:26:44,721 --> 00:26:45,801
Speaker 3: twenty support stuff.

675
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,001
Speaker 1: And so I think it was half because no, no,

676
00:26:49,241 --> 00:26:50,801
Speaker 1: I said I would do it for free, but it was.

677
00:26:50,801 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 3: It was kind of fun because in the middle of

678
00:26:52,321 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 3: all the conditions on which comedy normally work, which is

679
00:26:55,281 --> 00:26:58,881
Speaker 3: like a it's enclosed space with low ceilings and it's

680
00:26:58,961 --> 00:27:01,561
Speaker 3: dark and it's cool. There's like a hot room. It's

681
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,880
Speaker 3: one of the afternoon. No one's drinking because it's obviously

682
00:27:04,001 --> 00:27:07,321
Speaker 3: in jail, and it's giant kind of barn. And then

683
00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:10,281
Speaker 3: all the boys that I'm performing for surrounded by forty

684
00:27:10,281 --> 00:27:12,241
Speaker 3: prison guards who are watched, you know, because I'm doing

685
00:27:12,321 --> 00:27:13,041
Speaker 3: drug jokes and.

686
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 1: Jokes about crime, and so some of them I could tell.

687
00:27:16,201 --> 00:27:18,001
Speaker 3: We're like a bit self conscious about laughing because I

688
00:27:18,001 --> 00:27:19,721
Speaker 3: didn't want to give themselves away, or they didn't want

689
00:27:19,721 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 3: to make themselves targets.

690
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,841
Speaker 1: So the first thing I said when I got in there,

691
00:27:23,441 --> 00:27:24,521
Speaker 1: I thought would be funny for the boys.

692
00:27:24,521 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 3: I'm like, what about these fucking SCREWSA boys get a

693
00:27:26,681 --> 00:27:30,521
Speaker 3: real job? Bombs so hard no one laughed, and I

694
00:27:30,561 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 3: was like, okay, because they don't want to, Like, they

695
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:33,481
Speaker 3: don't want to laugh to hard? Are they going to

696
00:27:33,481 --> 00:27:35,761
Speaker 3: get their cell toss? But yeah, in my head, I'm

697
00:27:35,761 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 3: like this, this would be great and it did not

698
00:27:37,561 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 3: go great at all.

699
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 4: Fuck.

700
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:44,961
Speaker 2: Now you say that while you were inside the best

701
00:27:45,001 --> 00:27:48,521
Speaker 2: thing to do was laugh So you never thought about

702
00:27:48,561 --> 00:27:50,401
Speaker 2: stand up comedian before you went inside.

703
00:27:50,921 --> 00:27:54,121
Speaker 3: I had thought about it, but I never made any active.

704
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: Plan to do it.

705
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,321
Speaker 2: So when you're going to retire from drug dealer, you're

706
00:27:56,321 --> 00:27:57,401
Speaker 2: going to be a standard comedian.

707
00:27:58,001 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, personctally, Well, I mean I never thought about that

708
00:28:00,921 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 3: on the outside world, because if I hadn't really wanted

709
00:28:04,921 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 3: to do it, I would have done it while I

710
00:28:06,281 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 3: was a dealer. I would have still done comedy if

711
00:28:08,321 --> 00:28:10,201
Speaker 3: I was ever going to do it. But it wasn't

712
00:28:10,281 --> 00:28:13,281
Speaker 3: until I was in jail where I just asked myself,

713
00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:15,801
Speaker 3: all right, well, you fucked your life now if you

714
00:28:15,801 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 3: could just start over, what would you do? And the

715
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 3: only answer in my head was comedy, stand up comedy,

716
00:28:20,681 --> 00:28:22,721
Speaker 3: and so I was like, all right, well, if it's

717
00:28:22,721 --> 00:28:24,921
Speaker 3: that clear, if it's that simple, then let's just do it.

718
00:28:25,001 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 3: And so as soon as I got out and I

719
00:28:27,281 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 3: was able to get my bail rules slightly like my

720
00:28:29,681 --> 00:28:31,281
Speaker 3: bail rules were, I wasn't allowed to leave the house

721
00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:31,801
Speaker 3: unless I was.

722
00:28:31,801 --> 00:28:33,521
Speaker 1: In a company of my mum and dad.

723
00:28:34,001 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so my first few gigs, I had to

724
00:28:35,961 --> 00:28:37,041
Speaker 3: bring my mum along to the.

725
00:28:37,041 --> 00:28:39,761
Speaker 1: Show because yeah, I had to have her there.

726
00:28:39,841 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 3: And then I would just put my name in a

727
00:28:41,201 --> 00:28:42,721
Speaker 3: bucket with a whole bunch of other guys that were

728
00:28:42,721 --> 00:28:45,001
Speaker 3: doing comedy, and you name drawn out randomly, and I'd

729
00:28:45,001 --> 00:28:46,961
Speaker 3: have to ask them can I go on early because

730
00:28:47,521 --> 00:28:49,321
Speaker 3: I have a bail curfew. I've got to be home

731
00:28:49,361 --> 00:28:51,561
Speaker 3: by nine. And I was like, what, who the fuck

732
00:28:51,641 --> 00:28:53,641
Speaker 3: is this guy? Is he a seventy five year old

733
00:28:53,721 --> 00:28:56,081
Speaker 3: mum and I'm to be I've gotta be home by nine,

734
00:28:56,081 --> 00:28:57,361
Speaker 3: I'm asking to a stand.

735
00:28:57,161 --> 00:28:59,401
Speaker 1: Up early And then like, what the like? You better

736
00:28:59,401 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: be funny, you know. So I luckily it went pretty well.

737
00:29:04,241 --> 00:29:06,961
Speaker 3: Everyone was very support and soon after I was able

738
00:29:06,961 --> 00:29:09,241
Speaker 3: to get my bail rules relaxed enough to be able

739
00:29:09,281 --> 00:29:11,601
Speaker 3: to go and work a job and then also do

740
00:29:11,681 --> 00:29:12,681
Speaker 3: stand up at night.

741
00:29:12,801 --> 00:29:14,521
Speaker 1: And so I just started doing it every single night,

742
00:29:14,601 --> 00:29:15,641
Speaker 1: like just every single night.

743
00:29:15,881 --> 00:29:18,641
Speaker 2: How did you get like you not have to practice this?

744
00:29:18,841 --> 00:29:20,721
Speaker 2: Or you're like, oh, is you practice yourself? Me thought,

745
00:29:20,721 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 2: what would you do?

746
00:29:21,361 --> 00:29:24,281
Speaker 3: Like, I mean, the only way to really practice properly

747
00:29:24,481 --> 00:29:26,041
Speaker 3: is by going to an open mic.

748
00:29:26,121 --> 00:29:27,961
Speaker 1: You can't really practice too much.

749
00:29:28,841 --> 00:29:30,801
Speaker 4: But you've never done anything inffronts of anybody before.

750
00:29:30,881 --> 00:29:33,601
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well I had worked in public relations, so I'd

751
00:29:33,601 --> 00:29:35,721
Speaker 3: been a media trainer and taught people on how to

752
00:29:35,761 --> 00:29:38,081
Speaker 3: communicate and how to kind of develop all that's out.

753
00:29:38,081 --> 00:29:39,281
Speaker 1: So I think that certainly helped.

754
00:29:39,401 --> 00:29:41,521
Speaker 3: And then I just had this whole list of yarns

755
00:29:41,561 --> 00:29:44,641
Speaker 3: from from drug dealing and my house getting arrested and

756
00:29:44,641 --> 00:29:46,281
Speaker 3: the Raptor squad telling me that I had a tiny

757
00:29:46,321 --> 00:29:49,761
Speaker 3: cock and fucking and from Long Bay jail and all

758
00:29:49,801 --> 00:29:51,521
Speaker 3: this stuff. So I had this whole list of stories,

759
00:29:51,601 --> 00:29:54,081
Speaker 3: and so I just got on stage and started telling them.

760
00:29:54,361 --> 00:29:56,241
Speaker 3: But people laugh and I just would go home and

761
00:29:56,281 --> 00:29:57,761
Speaker 3: I'd work on you know, Okay, how.

762
00:29:57,641 --> 00:29:59,241
Speaker 1: Do I shorten that? How do I make that funny?

763
00:29:59,321 --> 00:30:00,641
Speaker 3: How do I move the punchline to the end of

764
00:30:00,641 --> 00:30:03,121
Speaker 3: the story, and so you just do that every night.

765
00:30:03,161 --> 00:30:04,761
Speaker 3: But the only way to really test if it works

766
00:30:05,521 --> 00:30:06,841
Speaker 3: if I sit at home and just read it out

767
00:30:06,841 --> 00:30:09,041
Speaker 3: to myself. I think everything I say is funny, So

768
00:30:09,281 --> 00:30:11,561
Speaker 3: you know that's not going to work. You're got to

769
00:30:11,561 --> 00:30:13,601
Speaker 3: go and say it to an audience. And the problem

770
00:30:13,721 --> 00:30:16,041
Speaker 3: is when you go to open mics, it's mostly other

771
00:30:16,081 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 3: comedians that are doing the same shit gigs as you,

772
00:30:18,561 --> 00:30:19,041
Speaker 3: and it's like.

773
00:30:18,961 --> 00:30:21,801
Speaker 1: Barely any audience for most of them. When you really start,

774
00:30:21,841 --> 00:30:23,041
Speaker 1: it's mostly other comedians.

775
00:30:23,281 --> 00:30:26,601
Speaker 3: So I'd see the same fucking twenty dickheads at five

776
00:30:26,961 --> 00:30:29,881
Speaker 3: shows a week, and so I can't say the same

777
00:30:29,961 --> 00:30:32,761
Speaker 3: jokes to them every night because they've heard it, They've

778
00:30:32,801 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 3: heard it five times in a row. So I had

779
00:30:34,521 --> 00:30:36,441
Speaker 3: to start writing a new five minutes of jokes every

780
00:30:36,521 --> 00:30:37,761
Speaker 3: night or every second night.

781
00:30:38,241 --> 00:30:40,721
Speaker 1: And so that made me have to like really hustle.

782
00:30:40,441 --> 00:30:44,641
Speaker 3: Harder on writing, writing, writing, writing, writing, performing writing, performing writing, And.

783
00:30:44,561 --> 00:30:47,601
Speaker 1: Then that I think really helped me to accelerate very quickly.

784
00:30:48,081 --> 00:30:49,881
Speaker 4: Do you think it helped you get out there more

785
00:30:49,961 --> 00:30:51,521
Speaker 4: because of what happened to you?

786
00:30:52,921 --> 00:30:57,681
Speaker 3: I think it did because I.

787
00:30:56,641 --> 00:30:59,721
Speaker 4: Just because it's very unique what you're talking about. Yeah,

788
00:30:59,801 --> 00:31:00,961
Speaker 4: that's a comedian.

789
00:31:00,681 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: Totally, totally. I think that certainly helped because people the

790
00:31:03,321 --> 00:31:04,001
Speaker 1: jokes worked.

791
00:31:04,001 --> 00:31:06,041
Speaker 3: But then also I'm talking at present, so people want

792
00:31:06,041 --> 00:31:08,201
Speaker 3: to listen because they're interested, right, and so those two things,

793
00:31:08,321 --> 00:31:10,721
Speaker 3: but it's still gonna be funny, yeah right, And so yeah,

794
00:31:10,841 --> 00:31:13,681
Speaker 3: I do gigs at like loud pubs where, like, you know,

795
00:31:13,721 --> 00:31:15,441
Speaker 3: there's people that are there, but they're not really there

796
00:31:15,481 --> 00:31:18,121
Speaker 3: for comedy, right, They're just there playing pool or having

797
00:31:18,121 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 3: beers with their mates, and so they can tune in

798
00:31:20,281 --> 00:31:22,081
Speaker 3: or tune out to the comedy as much as they want.

799
00:31:22,521 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 3: And so that was a pretty good test because then

800
00:31:25,241 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 3: you know, you're trying to grab people's attention. So as

801
00:31:27,441 --> 00:31:29,041
Speaker 3: soon as I said I want to jarl for drugs,

802
00:31:29,081 --> 00:31:30,761
Speaker 3: We're gonna do some jokes about it, people would usually

803
00:31:30,761 --> 00:31:32,641
Speaker 3: shut up, We're gonna want to listen to you know,

804
00:31:33,161 --> 00:31:34,121
Speaker 3: So that definitely helped me.

805
00:31:34,161 --> 00:31:35,921
Speaker 2: What was your major one that you're talking about, Like,

806
00:31:35,961 --> 00:31:37,801
Speaker 2: what was the major thing you bring up to try

807
00:31:37,801 --> 00:31:39,561
Speaker 2: and get the crowd to talk to you or to

808
00:31:39,601 --> 00:31:40,001
Speaker 2: listen to you.

809
00:31:40,721 --> 00:31:42,761
Speaker 3: Well, I think I would just start in the same

810
00:31:42,761 --> 00:31:44,561
Speaker 3: way I started my book was I start with the

811
00:31:44,601 --> 00:31:46,321
Speaker 3: most interesting thing that I had, which was the Raptor

812
00:31:46,361 --> 00:31:48,681
Speaker 3: squad started smashing through my front door with a battering

813
00:31:48,721 --> 00:31:51,841
Speaker 3: ram and I ran upstairs started flushing drugs down the toilet.

814
00:31:51,841 --> 00:31:53,161
Speaker 3: And so my first, one of the first jokes I

815
00:31:53,161 --> 00:31:54,961
Speaker 3: ever wrote, was like, the time it takes for the

816
00:31:54,961 --> 00:31:58,041
Speaker 3: big flush on your toilet to recharge will never seem

817
00:31:58,081 --> 00:31:59,841
Speaker 3: longer than when the cops are raiding your house.

818
00:31:59,961 --> 00:32:01,081
Speaker 1: And so like you say something.

819
00:32:00,921 --> 00:32:05,321
Speaker 7: Like that, they go, all right, I'm in you know,

820
00:32:07,441 --> 00:32:09,481
Speaker 7: but those kind of insights only come from fucking have

821
00:32:09,561 --> 00:32:12,401
Speaker 7: a visit, you know, having the nightmare I was sitting

822
00:32:12,401 --> 00:32:16,001
Speaker 7: there with a fucking toilet for mushrooms and cocaine and being.

823
00:32:15,841 --> 00:32:17,321
Speaker 1: Like, go, you stupid cut go.

824
00:32:19,841 --> 00:32:23,121
Speaker 3: So, you know, I would start with that, and then

825
00:32:23,241 --> 00:32:24,881
Speaker 3: people like that, and I was like, Okay, well what

826
00:32:24,921 --> 00:32:25,761
Speaker 3: else can I write about?

827
00:32:25,761 --> 00:32:27,961
Speaker 1: And so I wrote and I wrote and I wrote

828
00:32:27,961 --> 00:32:28,401
Speaker 1: and I wrote.

829
00:32:28,401 --> 00:32:30,681
Speaker 3: And when I got sentenced, part of the reason I

830
00:32:30,681 --> 00:32:33,241
Speaker 3: got an ico instead of more jail time was that

831
00:32:33,321 --> 00:32:36,481
Speaker 3: the judge liked that I was rehabilitating through comedy. Okay,

832
00:32:36,681 --> 00:32:39,201
Speaker 3: you know, he thought that was a really positive sign.

833
00:32:39,441 --> 00:32:41,841
Speaker 3: And so as soon as I found out that I

834
00:32:41,841 --> 00:32:43,641
Speaker 3: wasn't going back. When I got centers, I was in

835
00:32:43,681 --> 00:32:45,641
Speaker 3: court with like three pairs of underwear on and three

836
00:32:45,641 --> 00:32:47,081
Speaker 3: pairs of socks, because I was like, all right, if

837
00:32:47,121 --> 00:32:49,641
Speaker 3: I'm going back, I'm going back with a few bits

838
00:32:49,681 --> 00:32:52,401
Speaker 3: of extra kit, because you know, the jail unders are

839
00:32:52,441 --> 00:32:56,121
Speaker 3: fucking gross and the jail socks fucking sucks. So and

840
00:32:56,121 --> 00:32:57,801
Speaker 3: when I got sentence, my dad was like, sorry, Andrew,

841
00:32:57,841 --> 00:33:00,001
Speaker 3: I know how badly you wanted to go back to

842
00:33:00,001 --> 00:33:01,041
Speaker 3: get more joke ideas.

843
00:33:01,081 --> 00:33:04,481
Speaker 1: So, because once I got used to it, jail wasn't

844
00:33:04,521 --> 00:33:04,881
Speaker 1: was fine.

845
00:33:04,921 --> 00:33:08,401
Speaker 3: I was already once I demystified what the experience was

846
00:33:08,401 --> 00:33:09,921
Speaker 3: going to be, and I was in maximum security. If

847
00:33:09,961 --> 00:33:11,801
Speaker 3: I got sentence, I would have gone to minimum right,

848
00:33:11,841 --> 00:33:15,041
Speaker 3: and it would have been easier. So I kind of

849
00:33:15,041 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 3: made peace for the fact that I was going to

850
00:33:16,481 --> 00:33:18,561
Speaker 3: go back, so that when I didn't, I was like, well, fuck,

851
00:33:18,881 --> 00:33:20,321
Speaker 3: I guess we're just going to continue on with this

852
00:33:20,361 --> 00:33:24,081
Speaker 3: comedy thing. And so yeah, I wrote as many jokes

853
00:33:24,121 --> 00:33:26,081
Speaker 3: I could, and I went to Melbourne Comedy Festival the

854
00:33:26,081 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 3: following year, and so I'd been doing comedy for like

855
00:33:28,601 --> 00:33:30,841
Speaker 3: fourteen months at that point, and I did a show

856
00:33:30,921 --> 00:33:33,761
Speaker 3: called Jokes about the time I went to prison, and

857
00:33:34,161 --> 00:33:38,361
Speaker 3: the festival they offer people like you've got to apply

858
00:33:38,481 --> 00:33:41,361
Speaker 3: for a room, right the festival itself runs room, and

859
00:33:41,401 --> 00:33:44,241
Speaker 3: then other people run rooms around the festival as well,

860
00:33:44,681 --> 00:33:47,361
Speaker 3: and I got rejected by virtually all of them.

861
00:33:47,281 --> 00:33:48,161
Speaker 1: Except for one room.

862
00:33:48,241 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 3: They gave me a space at like ten forty at

863
00:33:50,041 --> 00:33:53,121
Speaker 3: night in this tiny cocktail bar, and I just took

864
00:33:53,161 --> 00:33:55,321
Speaker 3: it because I wanted to be there. I thought I

865
00:33:55,361 --> 00:33:57,641
Speaker 3: believed that, like I was meant to do this. I

866
00:33:57,681 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 3: believe that there had to be a reason why. When

867
00:33:59,321 --> 00:34:01,121
Speaker 3: I was sitting a long way, a voice told me,

868
00:34:01,201 --> 00:34:03,921
Speaker 3: do stand up and all change your life. And so

869
00:34:04,041 --> 00:34:06,721
Speaker 3: I took that room and I did the show. And

870
00:34:06,841 --> 00:34:08,361
Speaker 3: it was at ten forty at night every night. I

871
00:34:08,401 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 3: had the latest show on the entire festival by about

872
00:34:10,641 --> 00:34:13,481
Speaker 3: like two hours most nights. And so I did it

873
00:34:13,521 --> 00:34:15,681
Speaker 3: and people came and I started getting reviewers in and

874
00:34:15,681 --> 00:34:17,401
Speaker 3: they gave me some really good reviews, and I ended

875
00:34:17,521 --> 00:34:20,321
Speaker 3: up getting nominated for Best Newcomer at the festival, and

876
00:34:20,361 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 3: out of that I got an agent and a book deal,

877
00:34:22,121 --> 00:34:23,641
Speaker 3: and it changed my life for now. I get the

878
00:34:24,041 --> 00:34:25,081
Speaker 3: tour as a stand.

879
00:34:24,921 --> 00:34:27,681
Speaker 2: Up, But you didn't have a get insimilated by the

880
00:34:27,681 --> 00:34:30,001
Speaker 2: big comedians who are there, the sundup comedians. You know,

881
00:34:30,081 --> 00:34:31,721
Speaker 2: like you know that they've been doing it for years

882
00:34:31,721 --> 00:34:35,041
Speaker 2: and you're a newcomer in even though you're confident in yourself,

883
00:34:35,241 --> 00:34:37,001
Speaker 2: it didn't kind of put you off in a little way,

884
00:34:37,041 --> 00:34:37,721
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

885
00:34:37,641 --> 00:34:40,361
Speaker 3: Not really, because like there, who cares if they're in

886
00:34:40,361 --> 00:34:43,121
Speaker 3: a nine hundred seat theater or a two thousand seat room.

887
00:34:43,361 --> 00:34:45,721
Speaker 3: I'm at a tiny cocktail bar that can fit forty people.

888
00:34:45,761 --> 00:34:49,721
Speaker 3: I only need ten twenty people every night to choose me,

889
00:34:50,001 --> 00:34:52,121
Speaker 3: and they're on at primetime. Those guys are on at

890
00:34:52,121 --> 00:34:54,641
Speaker 3: seven or eight pm. I'm the only person that's on

891
00:34:54,681 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 3: at ten forty at night. I'm asking for a few

892
00:34:56,521 --> 00:34:59,001
Speaker 3: people that had a few beers and go, hey, do

893
00:34:59,001 --> 00:35:00,641
Speaker 3: you want to hear some idiot talk about prison?

894
00:35:00,881 --> 00:35:03,361
Speaker 1: And then go, actually, yeah, that sounds pretty funny. Right.

895
00:35:03,441 --> 00:35:06,401
Speaker 3: So it's like I wasn't beeting with them, and still

896
00:35:06,441 --> 00:35:11,761
Speaker 3: now I'm not. Because every comedian can succeed. It's not

897
00:35:11,841 --> 00:35:14,241
Speaker 3: like because you because you're popular, it doesn't mean that

898
00:35:14,241 --> 00:35:16,881
Speaker 3: they can't see both, right, It's it's not a zero

899
00:35:16,961 --> 00:35:17,441
Speaker 3: some game.

900
00:35:18,041 --> 00:35:19,801
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of time I attract my

901
00:35:19,801 --> 00:35:20,361
Speaker 1: own audience.

902
00:35:20,441 --> 00:35:22,521
Speaker 3: I'll attract people who don't go to see any comedy,

903
00:35:22,601 --> 00:35:23,321
Speaker 3: and that's what I love.

904
00:35:23,481 --> 00:35:28,201
Speaker 1: It's like a lot of the time that a lot

905
00:35:28,241 --> 00:35:29,081
Speaker 1: of the guys.

906
00:35:29,121 --> 00:35:31,161
Speaker 3: That I'm a trying to track to go see stand

907
00:35:31,241 --> 00:35:34,201
Speaker 3: up think comedy is gay. Right, They're like, they think

908
00:35:34,201 --> 00:35:36,121
Speaker 3: comedy is stupid. They're like, they're like, I don't get it.

909
00:35:36,321 --> 00:35:38,161
Speaker 3: They've never gone to a stand up in their life,

910
00:35:38,401 --> 00:35:41,081
Speaker 3: and then suddenly they come to, oh, bro, look to

911
00:35:41,081 --> 00:35:43,161
Speaker 3: stand up was like that, you know, just me joking

912
00:35:43,161 --> 00:35:45,361
Speaker 3: about drugs and cocaine on my ass with a straw

913
00:35:45,441 --> 00:35:48,721
Speaker 3: and fucking all kinds of shit like that, And so that's,

914
00:35:48,801 --> 00:35:50,401
Speaker 3: you know, that's what I think about it. It's like

915
00:35:50,441 --> 00:35:52,081
Speaker 3: you can carve out your own audience and it doesn't

916
00:35:52,121 --> 00:35:53,641
Speaker 3: have to be in competition with anyone.

917
00:35:53,841 --> 00:35:56,041
Speaker 2: Have you Have you ever done comedy and it's been

918
00:35:56,121 --> 00:35:58,161
Speaker 2: hard and you didn't get the reaction that you wanted.

919
00:35:58,201 --> 00:36:00,601
Speaker 2: And it's like, you know when you said before, like

920
00:36:00,801 --> 00:36:03,161
Speaker 2: you try to do a joke with the at the prison,

921
00:36:03,201 --> 00:36:04,121
Speaker 2: but no one laughed?

922
00:36:04,521 --> 00:36:07,001
Speaker 4: Is it ever on it before? Besides that? And you've

923
00:36:07,001 --> 00:36:07,561
Speaker 4: just gone shit?

924
00:36:07,841 --> 00:36:10,161
Speaker 2: And then what you do is you try and switch

925
00:36:10,241 --> 00:36:11,641
Speaker 2: it to or what do you do?

926
00:36:11,761 --> 00:36:14,361
Speaker 1: Oh, totally. I did a corporate gig a little while ago.

927
00:36:14,721 --> 00:36:16,801
Speaker 3: I got paid to like do a comedy for about

928
00:36:16,841 --> 00:36:20,721
Speaker 3: twenty minutes at this rich person's dinner party, and.

929
00:36:20,801 --> 00:36:22,281
Speaker 1: Like they're in the middle of dinner, and then suddenly

930
00:36:22,321 --> 00:36:24,281
Speaker 1: I say, all right, Andrew's going to do some jokes.

931
00:36:24,321 --> 00:36:25,721
Speaker 1: And so I'm saying, that's not a vibe, there's no

932
00:36:25,801 --> 00:36:28,521
Speaker 1: there's no laughter already build up, and I'm doing jokes

933
00:36:28,521 --> 00:36:29,961
Speaker 1: and I do this pedophile.

934
00:36:29,561 --> 00:36:32,361
Speaker 3: Joke and it fucking and it did not go and

935
00:36:32,401 --> 00:36:35,841
Speaker 3: it did not go well, and it bubbs so hard,

936
00:36:35,921 --> 00:36:38,041
Speaker 3: and then like, so what do you do? You just

937
00:36:38,081 --> 00:36:39,521
Speaker 3: I just crack on. I'm like, all right, well, I

938
00:36:40,081 --> 00:36:42,641
Speaker 3: know my job. My jokes are funny. I just crack

939
00:36:42,721 --> 00:36:43,921
Speaker 3: on with the next one. I'm like, all right, well

940
00:36:43,961 --> 00:36:44,601
Speaker 3: I missed you on that one.

941
00:36:44,601 --> 00:36:45,521
Speaker 1: I'll get it on the next one.

942
00:36:45,681 --> 00:36:48,601
Speaker 3: So I just there are some comedians that will react

943
00:36:48,681 --> 00:36:50,201
Speaker 3: if a commit if a joke doesn't go well, they'll

944
00:36:50,241 --> 00:36:51,801
Speaker 3: go like, fuck you, that's a good joke. But I

945
00:36:51,801 --> 00:36:54,881
Speaker 3: do know there's obviously a reason why certain jokes are

946
00:36:54,881 --> 00:36:58,001
Speaker 3: work in certain circumstances. So I just like, I know,

947
00:36:58,201 --> 00:37:00,081
Speaker 3: on a numbers game that most of my jokes work

948
00:37:00,161 --> 00:37:02,401
Speaker 3: most of the time, so if one doesn't work, I'll

949
00:37:02,441 --> 00:37:03,921
Speaker 3: go right, let's get it on the next one, next one,

950
00:37:03,961 --> 00:37:05,681
Speaker 3: next one. Let's just work through this until we fucking

951
00:37:05,681 --> 00:37:06,361
Speaker 3: get some momentum.

952
00:37:06,361 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 4: Gun. Yeah, Now, did you ever do a police Christmas Fine?

953
00:37:09,321 --> 00:37:12,121
Speaker 3: I actually got invited what was it like, over a

954
00:37:12,241 --> 00:37:16,481
Speaker 3: year ago to perform for a police station in Melbourne

955
00:37:16,481 --> 00:37:20,321
Speaker 3: for their Christmas party, and then my management trying to

956
00:37:20,361 --> 00:37:22,521
Speaker 3: negotiate it, and they didn't have any money.

957
00:37:22,401 --> 00:37:25,481
Speaker 1: They were like barely going to cover my flight to

958
00:37:25,601 --> 00:37:27,241
Speaker 1: go there, and I thought, why the funk would I go?

959
00:37:28,121 --> 00:37:29,161
Speaker 3: Like, you know, I hope to do it if you're

960
00:37:29,161 --> 00:37:31,681
Speaker 3: paying me, but I'm not doing any fucking favor, you know,

961
00:37:33,081 --> 00:37:34,761
Speaker 3: Yeah I would have been if I would probably.

962
00:37:34,481 --> 00:37:44,121
Speaker 1: Just given it to Haz So yeah, I don't know, man.

963
00:37:44,201 --> 00:37:47,681
Speaker 3: I think that a lot of the time, the bad

964
00:37:47,721 --> 00:37:50,121
Speaker 3: gigs are few and far between for me fortunately at

965
00:37:50,121 --> 00:37:55,521
Speaker 3: the moment. So I think that when something doesn't go well,

966
00:37:55,601 --> 00:38:00,801
Speaker 3: I usually have enough tools and the toolkit to turn around, Like,

967
00:38:00,881 --> 00:38:03,681
Speaker 3: I have enough jokes that work most of the time

968
00:38:03,721 --> 00:38:05,481
Speaker 3: that if something takes a dep I'm like, all right,

969
00:38:05,561 --> 00:38:06,801
Speaker 3: let's dig ourselves out of this.

970
00:38:06,761 --> 00:38:09,161
Speaker 2: Whole, you know, like going back to when you come out,

971
00:38:09,681 --> 00:38:13,121
Speaker 2: you didn't think of going back to what you were doing.

972
00:38:13,961 --> 00:38:15,041
Speaker 4: It never crossed your mind.

973
00:38:15,321 --> 00:38:18,121
Speaker 1: No, I didn't. I think at first. I did.

974
00:38:18,161 --> 00:38:19,961
Speaker 3: When I first got arrested, Absolutely, I thought I was

975
00:38:19,961 --> 00:38:21,201
Speaker 3: going to get bail, I'm going to go out. I'm

976
00:38:21,241 --> 00:38:22,881
Speaker 3: just going to fucking get into the second house and

977
00:38:22,881 --> 00:38:26,121
Speaker 3: start dealing again. But there was at some point about

978
00:38:26,161 --> 00:38:28,801
Speaker 3: maybe like six or eight weeks in where things just

979
00:38:28,921 --> 00:38:31,721
Speaker 3: changed for me. I think my fiance left me, my

980
00:38:31,801 --> 00:38:35,081
Speaker 3: friends had bowed on me, you know, my pizza store

981
00:38:35,161 --> 00:38:37,601
Speaker 3: had gone under because I rent out of money, and

982
00:38:37,681 --> 00:38:40,001
Speaker 3: like it was just everything was just a mess. And

983
00:38:40,041 --> 00:38:41,801
Speaker 3: the other people were sticking by me, were like my

984
00:38:42,441 --> 00:38:46,041
Speaker 3: a handful of friends and my parents and I don't know.

985
00:38:46,001 --> 00:38:47,921
Speaker 1: I just it was like I just got bored of it.

986
00:38:48,321 --> 00:38:50,681
Speaker 1: Just I did the math.

987
00:38:50,761 --> 00:38:52,121
Speaker 3: I think when I was in jail, I've probably done

988
00:38:52,201 --> 00:38:54,721
Speaker 3: over fifty thousand drug deals when I was active, and

989
00:38:54,761 --> 00:38:56,281
Speaker 3: like that means I've had to have small talk with

990
00:38:56,321 --> 00:38:57,841
Speaker 3: fifty thousand people and that what they're up to for

991
00:38:57,881 --> 00:38:58,321
Speaker 3: their weekend.

992
00:38:58,321 --> 00:39:01,401
Speaker 1: And at some point, Neil, it's just enough enough. I

993
00:39:01,401 --> 00:39:02,441
Speaker 1: don't care what you're up to.

994
00:39:02,641 --> 00:39:06,961
Speaker 4: You know, I think when you were inside you came out,

995
00:39:07,041 --> 00:39:08,001
Speaker 4: you're just a different person.

996
00:39:08,321 --> 00:39:09,721
Speaker 1: I definitely think I was a different person.

997
00:39:09,721 --> 00:39:11,761
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's if I would shure it,

998
00:39:12,281 --> 00:39:14,601
Speaker 3: but I definitely did change what I wanted to get

999
00:39:14,601 --> 00:39:17,521
Speaker 3: out of life changed. I think I had a greater

1000
00:39:17,601 --> 00:39:19,521
Speaker 3: appreciation for just the simple things.

1001
00:39:19,601 --> 00:39:20,961
Speaker 1: I think because.

1002
00:39:20,841 --> 00:39:22,761
Speaker 3: When I had all this money, I didn't particularly do

1003
00:39:22,801 --> 00:39:26,081
Speaker 3: anything good with it. I just fucking gamble, snort cocaine,

1004
00:39:26,601 --> 00:39:29,681
Speaker 3: fuck and just like spend fortunes on fucking fancy restaurants.

1005
00:39:29,721 --> 00:39:31,721
Speaker 1: I didn't. It was just dumb shit, you know.

1006
00:39:31,921 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 3: And I'd make forty grand a week and somehow spend

1007
00:39:34,561 --> 00:39:37,441
Speaker 3: fifty And I was just an idiot. So, you know,

1008
00:39:37,481 --> 00:39:40,801
Speaker 3: I think that when I was in jail and I

1009
00:39:40,801 --> 00:39:43,881
Speaker 3: started to exercise and get some sun and just get

1010
00:39:43,881 --> 00:39:45,321
Speaker 3: off drugs, I.

1011
00:39:45,521 --> 00:39:47,601
Speaker 4: Just totally off when you came out.

1012
00:39:47,961 --> 00:39:50,081
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I still drink, but I don't do

1013
00:39:50,201 --> 00:39:53,801
Speaker 3: drugs anymore. But I yeah, I didn't do any drugs

1014
00:39:53,841 --> 00:39:57,761
Speaker 3: in jail, and I think that just having that time,

1015
00:39:57,801 --> 00:39:59,881
Speaker 3: it was a rehab for me. I got off drugs,

1016
00:39:59,881 --> 00:40:02,321
Speaker 3: and I just like I started to feel like shit

1017
00:40:02,521 --> 00:40:04,241
Speaker 3: in like a way, which was good because I used

1018
00:40:04,241 --> 00:40:07,241
Speaker 3: to escape whenever I felt like shit, I'd gamble, snort

1019
00:40:07,321 --> 00:40:10,281
Speaker 3: fucking drink just to escape that feeling. And just like

1020
00:40:10,481 --> 00:40:13,361
Speaker 3: my whole life, I was just anetheesized And so I

1021
00:40:13,401 --> 00:40:15,121
Speaker 3: think feeling like shit in jail where I was like,

1022
00:40:15,121 --> 00:40:17,081
Speaker 3: hold on, this is a good feeling because it's telling

1023
00:40:17,121 --> 00:40:20,361
Speaker 3: me something's wrong. What are you going to do about it?

1024
00:40:20,401 --> 00:40:22,761
Speaker 3: And so for me, it was like, okay, let's do

1025
00:40:22,801 --> 00:40:24,521
Speaker 3: something completely different. And so, yeah, I don't know how

1026
00:40:24,521 --> 00:40:27,681
Speaker 3: to extrab but maybe it was God. Just something spoke

1027
00:40:27,721 --> 00:40:29,321
Speaker 3: to me and said, do stand up and it'll change

1028
00:40:29,361 --> 00:40:32,201
Speaker 3: your life. And like it might sound strange to people now,

1029
00:40:32,241 --> 00:40:34,641
Speaker 3: but like I'm still I'm a poor comedian living with

1030
00:40:34,641 --> 00:40:37,601
Speaker 3: my parents, and I am happier now than I've ever

1031
00:40:37,601 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 3: been in my entire life.

1032
00:40:38,721 --> 00:40:42,081
Speaker 1: Poor comedian, yeah, most of us are poor now. Yeah,

1033
00:40:42,081 --> 00:40:43,641
Speaker 1: and we don't make much money out of comedy.

1034
00:40:43,721 --> 00:40:47,481
Speaker 4: Your poor comedian. Don't think you're a poor comedian.

1035
00:40:47,161 --> 00:40:49,361
Speaker 3: No, I mean like I've got no money. Like I'm

1036
00:40:49,361 --> 00:40:51,681
Speaker 3: a good comedian with no money and I live with

1037
00:40:51,681 --> 00:40:53,561
Speaker 3: my parents, is what I mean. You know, I'm a

1038
00:40:53,681 --> 00:40:56,721
Speaker 3: very good comedian. I'm pretty good for three years in

1039
00:40:57,001 --> 00:40:58,961
Speaker 3: things are going all right, but I mean I'm a

1040
00:40:59,001 --> 00:41:01,121
Speaker 3: comedian with no money living with my parents.

1041
00:41:00,881 --> 00:41:02,521
Speaker 2: So what would okay, what would so? What would and

1042
00:41:02,601 --> 00:41:04,441
Speaker 2: you like to do? Then what's this goal for twenty

1043
00:41:04,481 --> 00:41:06,281
Speaker 2: twenty five to build this game?

1044
00:41:06,441 --> 00:41:09,641
Speaker 3: Well, now that I'm allowed out of Australia, Neil's World

1045
00:41:09,641 --> 00:41:13,401
Speaker 3: Domination Baby, we're working on my US visa, so hopefully

1046
00:41:13,441 --> 00:41:14,801
Speaker 3: I can do the UK US.

1047
00:41:14,841 --> 00:41:16,641
Speaker 1: You could get into the US, yeah, I think so.

1048
00:41:16,681 --> 00:41:19,441
Speaker 4: Well, my innovation, I hope they want to allow me in.

1049
00:41:19,641 --> 00:41:23,041
Speaker 3: Well, it's because I'm an inspiration to the community now now, yeah,

1050
00:41:23,041 --> 00:41:24,841
Speaker 3: it's going to work on that. So now that I'm

1051
00:41:24,841 --> 00:41:27,281
Speaker 3: doing these jail shows and like all this kind of stuff,

1052
00:41:27,281 --> 00:41:29,641
Speaker 3: my turnaround story, it inspires millions around the world. I

1053
00:41:29,681 --> 00:41:33,361
Speaker 3: don't know if you've checked the news now, I can

1054
00:41:33,401 --> 00:41:37,281
Speaker 3: see I'm inspiring you right now. So I think my

1055
00:41:37,321 --> 00:41:42,801
Speaker 3: podcast so yeah, I think we'll see what happens. But

1056
00:41:43,721 --> 00:41:45,721
Speaker 3: my immigration lawyer thinks that I have a pretty good

1057
00:41:45,721 --> 00:41:49,801
Speaker 3: case and we have some people in the New South

1058
00:41:49,801 --> 00:41:52,721
Speaker 3: Spaler's justice system that are willing to support me in that.

1059
00:41:53,001 --> 00:41:54,681
Speaker 1: So yeah, we'll see what happens.

1060
00:41:55,081 --> 00:41:58,281
Speaker 4: To do stand up in America, that's right, Yeah, yeah.

1061
00:41:58,361 --> 00:42:01,601
Speaker 3: So a big chunk of my audience on social media

1062
00:42:01,761 --> 00:42:04,041
Speaker 3: is US and UK, so I think it just makes

1063
00:42:04,041 --> 00:42:07,281
Speaker 3: sense to go there and New Zealand. All I know is,

1064
00:42:07,321 --> 00:42:09,601
Speaker 3: ever since I've been on this path, more and more

1065
00:42:09,641 --> 00:42:11,241
Speaker 3: opportunities keep presenting themselves.

1066
00:42:11,241 --> 00:42:12,601
Speaker 1: So I'm not trying to overthink it.

1067
00:42:12,641 --> 00:42:15,761
Speaker 3: I'm just trying to become better at stand up and

1068
00:42:16,241 --> 00:42:19,641
Speaker 3: just seeing where this ride takes me. But It's changed

1069
00:42:19,681 --> 00:42:21,601
Speaker 3: my life in such an amazing way. And now I

1070
00:42:21,721 --> 00:42:23,961
Speaker 3: get to go to places in Australia that I've never

1071
00:42:24,001 --> 00:42:26,401
Speaker 3: even dreamed of going and have like two hundred people

1072
00:42:26,441 --> 00:42:28,561
Speaker 3: turn up to a show and have an amazing time.

1073
00:42:28,921 --> 00:42:30,881
Speaker 1: It is very humbling. So it's very cool.

1074
00:42:30,961 --> 00:42:33,201
Speaker 2: Is that you do a lot of stuff's like it

1075
00:42:33,241 --> 00:42:35,801
Speaker 2: that the Comedy Clip down and at more Park.

1076
00:42:35,881 --> 00:42:37,481
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, so that the Comedy Store.

1077
00:42:37,681 --> 00:42:41,161
Speaker 3: Those kind of venues are great and yeah, I'll do

1078
00:42:41,681 --> 00:42:45,001
Speaker 3: The main way that comedians make money out of comedy

1079
00:42:45,041 --> 00:42:47,441
Speaker 3: in Australia is through the comedy festival circuit, so we

1080
00:42:47,481 --> 00:42:49,441
Speaker 3: have that's the one in Melbourne. We have the Melbourne

1081
00:42:49,481 --> 00:42:51,441
Speaker 3: Comedy Festival, which is the biggest comedy festival in the

1082
00:42:51,481 --> 00:42:54,521
Speaker 3: Southern Hemisphere. We have Sydney Comedy Festival, but we also

1083
00:42:54,561 --> 00:42:56,881
Speaker 3: in January they have the Perth Fringe Festival, which is

1084
00:42:56,881 --> 00:42:59,121
Speaker 3: the Performing Arts Festival, which where there's a lot of comedy.

1085
00:42:59,521 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 3: And then we have Adelaide Fringe which is in kind

1086
00:43:02,441 --> 00:43:03,481
Speaker 3: of like mid.

1087
00:43:03,241 --> 00:43:04,961
Speaker 4: Feb and that's only invice on.

1088
00:43:06,561 --> 00:43:08,681
Speaker 3: Well, any of these ones are not really invite you

1089
00:43:09,001 --> 00:43:11,761
Speaker 3: just you apply, you pay the registration fee and you

1090
00:43:11,801 --> 00:43:13,721
Speaker 3: just find a room. You find a room that'll have

1091
00:43:13,801 --> 00:43:16,241
Speaker 3: you and a time slot, and then they take a

1092
00:43:16,321 --> 00:43:19,601
Speaker 3: fucking fair chunky of profits to do the show. But

1093
00:43:20,361 --> 00:43:23,961
Speaker 3: yeah you can. They'll let basically anyone that signs up

1094
00:43:24,321 --> 00:43:26,921
Speaker 3: get a room if you can find the space. But yeah,

1095
00:43:26,961 --> 00:43:29,841
Speaker 3: so that's that's how most comedians will make money is

1096
00:43:29,881 --> 00:43:32,801
Speaker 3: by doing the comedy festival circuit. And then they've got

1097
00:43:32,841 --> 00:43:34,841
Speaker 3: to write a new hour every year to make money

1098
00:43:34,841 --> 00:43:36,361
Speaker 3: out of it, which is crazy because we're such a

1099
00:43:36,401 --> 00:43:38,561
Speaker 3: small market, because we have so few people in Australia

1100
00:43:38,601 --> 00:43:40,481
Speaker 3: and it's so spread out, you've got to write a

1101
00:43:40,521 --> 00:43:43,361
Speaker 3: new fucking hour show every year, whereas in the States

1102
00:43:43,881 --> 00:43:46,681
Speaker 3: you'll have comics that can tour around all the clubs

1103
00:43:46,721 --> 00:43:49,241
Speaker 3: with like the same half an hour and make an

1104
00:43:49,241 --> 00:43:52,801
Speaker 3: absolute fucking fortune for years during the same thirty minutes.

1105
00:43:53,321 --> 00:43:54,681
Speaker 1: You know, we just don't have that. We don't have

1106
00:43:54,721 --> 00:43:58,361
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. You Wow, So what do you do? Done?

1107
00:43:58,441 --> 00:43:58,921
Speaker 4: Is difficult?

1108
00:43:59,161 --> 00:44:01,921
Speaker 3: Yeah, got to write comedy like where Louis c k

1109
00:44:02,161 --> 00:44:04,841
Speaker 3: every fucking single comedian and it just shows because there's

1110
00:44:04,921 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 3: very few comedians that can do a really really good

1111
00:44:07,481 --> 00:44:10,481
Speaker 3: show every single year. It's just not possible to do

1112
00:44:10,561 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 3: that much good jokes in one year. Is just very,

1113
00:44:13,521 --> 00:44:14,281
Speaker 3: very difficult.

1114
00:44:14,441 --> 00:44:14,641
Speaker 1: Wow.

1115
00:44:14,681 --> 00:44:16,921
Speaker 2: I thought it was such like seeing like even you

1116
00:44:17,201 --> 00:44:20,361
Speaker 2: advertising yourself, like doing a lot of stuff, and even

1117
00:44:20,361 --> 00:44:22,801
Speaker 2: the Olva comedians that I know, I thought, oh wow, well,

1118
00:44:22,841 --> 00:44:24,521
Speaker 2: you know you must be busy what you do?

1119
00:44:24,561 --> 00:44:26,041
Speaker 4: You know what I mean? Like, but it's not that.

1120
00:44:27,201 --> 00:44:29,081
Speaker 3: Well, some of us are more busy than others. I'm

1121
00:44:29,161 --> 00:44:31,201
Speaker 3: very fortunate that I can, like I'll do the comedy

1122
00:44:31,201 --> 00:44:33,761
Speaker 3: Festial Circuit. Then I can go regionally in the middle

1123
00:44:33,761 --> 00:44:35,601
Speaker 3: of fucking nowhere. You can send me to fucking baler

1124
00:44:35,681 --> 00:44:39,881
Speaker 3: At or Buddy Esperance WA or Bunbury and I can

1125
00:44:39,921 --> 00:44:41,921
Speaker 3: sell tickets there whereas a lot of comedians that can't.

1126
00:44:42,041 --> 00:44:45,201
Speaker 3: But I think luckily because of my presidence on social

1127
00:44:45,241 --> 00:44:47,241
Speaker 3: media and also the show.

1128
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Speaker 4: Did you functions or that kind of stuff like or not.

1129
00:44:49,481 --> 00:44:52,121
Speaker 3: Not really, I've done the most of the corporate gigs

1130
00:44:52,161 --> 00:44:55,041
Speaker 3: I've done so far have been for the new South

1131
00:44:55,081 --> 00:44:59,761
Speaker 3: Wales justice system, they said to him, because there's this

1132
00:44:59,801 --> 00:45:03,081
Speaker 3: big thing called lived experience, right with people that have

1133
00:45:03,161 --> 00:45:05,641
Speaker 3: been through the criminal justice to them and then turn

1134
00:45:05,641 --> 00:45:07,241
Speaker 3: their life around. They want to hear their stories. So

1135
00:45:07,321 --> 00:45:09,041
Speaker 3: they're kind of the main clients that I have so

1136
00:45:09,161 --> 00:45:12,521
Speaker 3: far for corporates. But there's any Is there any banks

1137
00:45:12,521 --> 00:45:14,081
Speaker 3: with heaps of money I want to hire me for

1138
00:45:14,161 --> 00:45:15,481
Speaker 3: a I.

1139
00:45:15,401 --> 00:45:17,241
Speaker 1: Can do a comedy, I can do a keynote speech,

1140
00:45:17,281 --> 00:45:17,601
Speaker 1: whatever you.

1141
00:45:17,601 --> 00:45:20,041
Speaker 3: Want, so God, yeah, I will see what happens with

1142
00:45:20,041 --> 00:45:21,761
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff, but it's still early days with it.

1143
00:45:21,961 --> 00:45:23,761
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean I've only been in comedy for three

1144
00:45:23,841 --> 00:45:25,281
Speaker 1: years and it.

1145
00:45:25,281 --> 00:45:27,121
Speaker 2: Was the way you act is like you're being in

1146
00:45:27,121 --> 00:45:28,241
Speaker 2: it for years more than that.

1147
00:45:28,641 --> 00:45:30,841
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I'm very lucky that I started comedy

1148
00:45:30,961 --> 00:45:32,881
Speaker 3: at the right time. I think if I had to

1149
00:45:32,881 --> 00:45:34,641
Speaker 3: start up when I was younger, when I was twenty two,

1150
00:45:34,681 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 3: I would have talked about wanking and come for five

1151
00:45:36,961 --> 00:45:40,481
Speaker 3: minutes and bombed and be like, right, I suck.

1152
00:45:40,601 --> 00:45:42,601
Speaker 1: I'm awful and quit. I would I wouldn't give it up.

1153
00:45:42,601 --> 00:45:45,601
Speaker 3: But look, I started at thirty six, was a thirty

1154
00:45:45,601 --> 00:45:49,641
Speaker 3: five and I talked about prison and drugs and people laughs,

1155
00:45:49,801 --> 00:45:52,841
Speaker 3: and immediately gave me the encouragement I needed to go

1156
00:45:52,881 --> 00:45:53,361
Speaker 3: on with it.

1157
00:45:53,761 --> 00:45:53,841
Speaker 2: That.

1158
00:45:54,161 --> 00:45:56,481
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just think I was just fortunate that I

1159
00:45:56,521 --> 00:45:58,041
Speaker 1: started late, because.

1160
00:45:57,801 --> 00:46:00,201
Speaker 2: It's like it's like Sushi Mango when they started through COVID,

1161
00:46:00,521 --> 00:46:01,841
Speaker 2: and that's how they got their reputation.

1162
00:46:01,921 --> 00:46:04,281
Speaker 3: It builds up, built up, built up totally, and now

1163
00:46:04,321 --> 00:46:05,921
Speaker 3: look at them there fucking killing it. You know, they're

1164
00:46:05,921 --> 00:46:08,081
Speaker 3: selling out fucking massive theaters everywhere they go.

1165
00:46:08,881 --> 00:46:11,081
Speaker 2: Should be on there, on the card for them.

1166
00:46:11,561 --> 00:46:14,161
Speaker 3: I'm happy to be involved with the anytime those boys

1167
00:46:14,201 --> 00:46:18,001
Speaker 3: got me, but yeah, they're amazing.

1168
00:46:18,121 --> 00:46:19,961
Speaker 1: But yeah, that shows it. Like the same with like

1169
00:46:20,001 --> 00:46:22,241
Speaker 1: Andrew Schultz in the States. He just started.

1170
00:46:21,881 --> 00:46:24,881
Speaker 3: Posting stand up clips during COVID and he blew up

1171
00:46:24,921 --> 00:46:27,321
Speaker 3: so hard and now he's selling out the ICC when

1172
00:46:27,321 --> 00:46:30,001
Speaker 3: he came here. And so the power of social media

1173
00:46:30,081 --> 00:46:32,841
Speaker 3: is an absolute game changer. I'm not competing with anyone,

1174
00:46:32,841 --> 00:46:35,361
Speaker 3: but I have the thirteenth highest Instagram following of any

1175
00:46:35,441 --> 00:46:36,881
Speaker 3: sand up comedian in Australia.

1176
00:46:37,361 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: I have a list.

1177
00:46:38,001 --> 00:46:42,921
Speaker 3: But but it helps, man, It helps to sell tickets

1178
00:46:42,921 --> 00:46:45,241
Speaker 3: to show us, because when people will see an ad

1179
00:46:45,281 --> 00:46:47,361
Speaker 3: for you and they go, I know this idiot, he's

1180
00:46:47,361 --> 00:46:49,561
Speaker 3: made me laugh before. That's all you need is if

1181
00:46:49,561 --> 00:46:52,121
Speaker 3: I've made him laugh before, they'll hopefully give me permission

1182
00:46:52,521 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 3: to make him laugh live how to show and that's

1183
00:46:54,961 --> 00:46:58,081
Speaker 3: all you need. Whereas so many comedians great stand ups,

1184
00:46:58,081 --> 00:46:58,961
Speaker 3: but no one's heard of them.

1185
00:46:59,121 --> 00:47:01,321
Speaker 1: Yeah, they putting a social media add up.

1186
00:47:01,361 --> 00:47:03,241
Speaker 3: That's just like the name of their show is called

1187
00:47:03,281 --> 00:47:04,961
Speaker 3: Daffidil or whatever, and people like that.

1188
00:47:05,121 --> 00:47:07,001
Speaker 1: The fuck is this? Why would I go to that?

1189
00:47:07,281 --> 00:47:09,521
Speaker 3: Because it's not only your costing, but it's also I've

1190
00:47:09,521 --> 00:47:11,081
Speaker 3: got to choose to spend an hour of my time

1191
00:47:11,121 --> 00:47:13,401
Speaker 3: with you once I buy that ticket, And so if

1192
00:47:13,401 --> 00:47:15,041
Speaker 3: you don't know anything about them, it's like it's does

1193
00:47:15,081 --> 00:47:15,721
Speaker 3: too much risk?

1194
00:47:16,401 --> 00:47:18,041
Speaker 1: Twenty bucks? Fine, but if I do want to spend

1195
00:47:18,081 --> 00:47:21,041
Speaker 1: an hour with you, I need to know more about you. Wow.

1196
00:47:22,241 --> 00:47:23,161
Speaker 1: So it's a weird game.

1197
00:47:23,601 --> 00:47:24,401
Speaker 4: Any regrets.

1198
00:47:26,921 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 3: I regret having so many drugs in the house when

1199
00:47:29,441 --> 00:47:30,601
Speaker 3: I got raided out of.

1200
00:47:34,041 --> 00:47:39,921
Speaker 1: Probably that's kine of it. Regrets, but not.

1201
00:47:39,961 --> 00:47:43,721
Speaker 3: Really, because I think you've got to be pretty philosophical

1202
00:47:43,761 --> 00:47:45,481
Speaker 3: about it. I'm so happy with the life I live

1203
00:47:45,561 --> 00:47:48,601
Speaker 3: now that if I hadn't gone through all that shit.

1204
00:47:48,641 --> 00:47:51,201
Speaker 1: I would wouldn't have led to here, correct, you know.

1205
00:47:51,361 --> 00:47:55,601
Speaker 3: So No, I'm pretty happy with it because, Yeah, I

1206
00:47:55,681 --> 00:47:58,281
Speaker 3: now I get paid to travel the country saying dick

1207
00:47:58,361 --> 00:48:01,281
Speaker 3: jokes in your microphone and I have the best time

1208
00:48:01,361 --> 00:48:01,721
Speaker 3: doing it.

1209
00:48:02,081 --> 00:48:05,961
Speaker 4: Describe you in one word too, if you need to.

1210
00:48:07,921 --> 00:48:12,801
Speaker 3: Optimistic and chaotic, probably, yeah, I'm definitely optimistic because I

1211
00:48:13,161 --> 00:48:17,081
Speaker 3: think that certainly helps you when you're in jail or

1212
00:48:17,441 --> 00:48:19,321
Speaker 3: when your luck is down, is just to be like,

1213
00:48:19,361 --> 00:48:21,721
Speaker 3: all right, we can come back from this. And that's

1214
00:48:21,721 --> 00:48:25,001
Speaker 3: something that I've had my whole life, and so I

1215
00:48:25,041 --> 00:48:28,681
Speaker 3: think that's probably the thing that's carried me the most. Yeah,

1216
00:48:28,801 --> 00:48:31,361
Speaker 3: probably my optimism and my sense of humor other things

1217
00:48:31,361 --> 00:48:34,201
Speaker 3: that were my two biggest assets when I was locked

1218
00:48:34,241 --> 00:48:35,961
Speaker 3: up and when I went through my toughest times.

1219
00:48:36,201 --> 00:48:38,561
Speaker 2: Well, thanks Andrew for coming on. It's been worth the weight.

1220
00:48:38,681 --> 00:48:40,201
Speaker 2: I've got to meet that my pleasure mate.

1221
00:48:40,241 --> 00:48:41,081
Speaker 1: It's fun.

1222
00:48:41,481 --> 00:48:43,961
Speaker 4: So I did, and I'm very grateful for you coming on.

1223
00:48:44,081 --> 00:48:45,801
Speaker 3: If anyone wants to check me in on social media's

1224
00:48:45,801 --> 00:48:49,601
Speaker 3: Andrew Hamilton comedy. I haven't got any more Sydney to

1225
00:48:49,761 --> 00:48:52,561
Speaker 3: a date's locked in for the moment, but I'm hoping

1226
00:48:52,601 --> 00:48:56,081
Speaker 3: to film my prison show sometime in Sydney later in

1227
00:48:56,121 --> 00:48:59,881
Speaker 3: the year, but otherwise I'll be traveling Australia, New Zealand, UK,

1228
00:49:00,041 --> 00:49:01,601
Speaker 3: the US later this year, so keep an eye on

1229
00:49:01,961 --> 00:49:02,441
Speaker 3: planks bro