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Speaker 1: As you know, there's a protest organized for the seventh

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Speaker 1: The attack that occurred on that date, October seventh last

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Speaker 1: year resulted in the deaths of the horrific deaths of

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Speaker 1: But the rally on the steps of Parliament House approved

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Speaker 1: by an officer in the State Parliament, the Premier, Peter

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Speaker 1: malanowskis earlier on this show this morning saying it is

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Speaker 1: in bad taste. This is a little bit of what

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Speaker 2: I think for these people to have these protests in

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Speaker 2: October seven isn't just grossly insensitive, it's reckless and irresponsible,

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Speaker 2: and I would call on them to exercise better judgment

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Speaker 2: in a liberal democracy by seeking to offend others, but

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Speaker 2: rather show a degree of human embassy.

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Speaker 1: Earlier this morning, the Police Commissioner Grant Stevens called into

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Speaker 1: five Double a breakfast. He says he can't stop the

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Speaker 3: We have the Public Assemblies Act here which people must

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Speaker 3: and if those requirements are met. It's not for me

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Speaker 3: as police commissioner to make any moral judgments about what

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Speaker 1: We do have on the line Habiba Jagouri, who is

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Speaker 1: and pro Palestine organizer Habiba.

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Speaker 4: Good morning, Hi, Good morning, Matthew.

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Speaker 1: How are you all right? Thank you? Are you concerned

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Speaker 4: Not at all, Matthew. In fact, you said it right.

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Speaker 4: October seven is an anniversary, one your anniversary of people

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Speaker 4: because the ideas the Israeli occupation forces rather I should

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Speaker 4: say killed their own. Yes, hostages were taken. This was

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Speaker 4: in response to Israel holding onto more than eight thousand

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Speaker 4: Palestinian hostages. So yeah, it's an anniversary of that. However,

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Speaker 4: it is also a breathing and morning in protest of

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Speaker 4: one year of Israel's genocide in Gaza and seventy six

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Speaker 4: years of Israel's occupation in Palestine. It's a really important

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Speaker 4: All across Australia, protests are happening. I absolutely supported. I

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Speaker 4: think it's necessary. It's a democratic right to protest, it

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Speaker 4: I invite him to come and debate with me about

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Speaker 1: Habiba, Do you deny that anyone was killed in Israel?

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Speaker 1: Is that what I heard you say a few minutes ago.

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Speaker 4: No, No, I'm not denying that. I'm not denying that. However,

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Speaker 4: investigations and reports coming out of Israel's own media have

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Speaker 1: So har Mass didn't kill anyone.

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Speaker 4: I condemned the killing of any innocent life. However, I

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Speaker 4: condemned Israel's first and foremost, for its seventy six years

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Speaker 1: You're saying Hamas didn't kill anyone in Israel.

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Speaker 4: That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that if the

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Speaker 4: that Hannah's killing someone on anyone or any people on

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Speaker 4: October seventh was not done in a vacuum. I condemned

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Speaker 4: the killing of any innocent life. However, I stand by resistance,

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Speaker 4: which is a human right under the UN Convention.

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Speaker 1: There's many people who would see the date and the

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Speaker 1: Can you be at the premier made this point, You'd

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Speaker 4: That's happening because every single Sunday with the contesting, the

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Speaker 4: a protest against one year of genocide. Over two hundred thousand,

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Speaker 4: Israel has committed war crime after warcrime, have broken international

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Speaker 4: It's been happening for seventy six years. So it's a

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Speaker 1: If you're having a protest on October six, why do

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Speaker 4: Seven, because it's the one year anniversary. The Sunday rallies

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Speaker 4: you don't care. That's protesting that. You also tell you

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Speaker 4: it's also protesting against media bias and media narratives that

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Speaker 4: say that on October seven, how much came in did this?

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Speaker 4: They don't say why, They don't say what Israel did

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Speaker 1: I think the media has been saying what has happened

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Speaker 4: Has media have you reported on Israel using white phosphorus

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Speaker 1: On the issue to me saying that in the premiere,

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Speaker 1: I think has got this right. You'd be winning a

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Speaker 4: I completely disagree that more people will be one to

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Speaker 4: And Oktob seven is We're welcoming people to come and

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Speaker 1: You don't see it as such argument. I cannot believe

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Speaker 4: It's not a celebration of atrocity. It is a resistance

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Speaker 4: upon the responsibility for yourself as well, Matthew, to stand

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Speaker 1: Will you be showing symbols? Will protesters be waving flags

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Speaker 1: that should be banned flags belonging to terror organizations.

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Speaker 4: I can't control what someone else does. However, our protest

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Speaker 4: planned to put flags of resistance, and that is a

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Speaker 4: Flags of Sedan, flags of any country that is oppressed

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Speaker 1: So you've no intention of dispplying, for instance, a Hazbella

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Speaker 1: All right, So anything that identifies with a terrorist, a

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Speaker 4: Those organizations. It's actually purely.

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Speaker 1: Subjective, to be honest, sorry say that again.

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Speaker 4: Well, identify as a terrorist symbol, it's purely subjective.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's something that has been declared by the Australian

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Speaker 4: Yep, and we saw in Melbourne the response of the

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Speaker 1: So so if if somebody displays that, if police move in,

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Speaker 4: What do you mean? I don't understand.

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Speaker 1: Well, if somebody is displaying a symbol that is listed

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Speaker 4: I think it. Processes have come with a flag at

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Speaker 4: a protest, this flag, they have a right to do so.

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Speaker 4: But if police move in and ask them to remove it, then,

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, So okay again October seven. Now, I've

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Speaker 4: I think it's evidentially clear Israel does not care about hostages.

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Speaker 4: They killed their own hostages. I think when Israel goes

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Speaker 4: This is a sign. This tells you that Israel is

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Speaker 4: That has been made abundantly clear when they come out

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Speaker 4: you just can't do anything. This is just asking Gaza

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Speaker 4: There are absolutely no efforts to rescue hostages. This is

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Speaker 4: they want this is about genocide, This is about expanding

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Speaker 4: this is Israel's chance, and it's all evidence. It's all

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Speaker 1: October seven, no plans to change from that date, the

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Speaker 1: twelve hundred people were killed, and were killed horribly in

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Speaker 1: ahead on Monday, which happens to be a public holiday,