1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:05,279 Speaker 1: And all too familiar Monday at Carlton, miserable defeats incites 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:08,640 Speaker 1: a savage response, prompting pledges to do better in a 3 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 1: recurring Blues nightmare, the. 4 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 2: Frustration builds for Michael Vass. 5 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 3: The season slips away. 6 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 2: Is the coach's job on the line through the remainder 7 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:18,080 Speaker 2: of the year. 8 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: And the Suns have a breakthrough whin ripped away by 9 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: the Giant Guns. Coach Damian Hardwick joins us the day 10 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: after as the disappointment sets in. 11 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 3: We talked about his step into it, debrace all of. 12 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: It in the room and Renton it's unedifying for a 13 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: senior coach to do that. 14 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 3: They're on the side of Courtia with the brain, take 15 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 3: the man on. 16 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: They played the best footy I've ever seen at the 17 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: start of the season, and in the president left the 18 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: couple order said. 19 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 4: Of course they do. 20 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 3: It is the stuff that legends are made of. What 21 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 3: is holding the ball? 22 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,279 Speaker 5: I don't think I could answer it clearly right now 23 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 5: that I could do something wrong, you know, And I 24 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 5: need to get and the boards actually. 25 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 6: The fans lover and with no fans, no through sixty 26 00:00:57,560 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 6: year old. 27 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: All the angles of round fifteen, armed for before us 28 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: scazz before we start, Yes, and the allocation of jobs, 29 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 1: which was going to ask Damien Hardwick whatever he meant 30 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: lad in the game in this moment. 31 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 2: I've got a list of their forty people that could 32 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,199 Speaker 2: have been directed at Jared, You and. 33 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 3: I amongst them. 34 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 2: So we'll find out when he bobs up with au 35 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 2: him exactly who that was. I've got a suspicion I 36 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:33,919 Speaker 2: know who, but you can ask him. 37 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 4: Maybe insufficient instead. 38 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: I suspect the son's coach is going to be a 39 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: deputy of match ratio when we talk to him tonight. 40 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 1: I mean lost their place in the AP but played 41 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: fewer games. Damien Hardwig and Adam Huse are our coaches 42 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: on Judy and Lee. 43 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 4: Matthews is here. We're going to join Jack. 44 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: Jordy and Spucks on the couch in a few moments time, 45 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: or in an hour's time, will Dan and Harry. She's 46 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: all our young guns are. On June Tomorrow night, we've 47 00:01:58,040 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: got Ray Chamberlain. He's going to tell us a worst 48 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: worry or two about umpiring taggers and then apply it. 49 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 2: To the modern I'm interested. We might save my bullets 50 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 2: for that. And depending on which way Ray goes all right. 51 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: So good to John Longmire on Wednesday night and Adam 52 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: Simpson alongside his great mate as well. Our Monday nights 53 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,679 Speaker 1: start with the awarding the GVPS, the votes for the 54 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: most valuable players from the previous round in the estimation 55 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: of just one man, Gary Lyon, and the prize is 56 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: the most sought after and richest in all of football. 57 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: The ninety three thousand dollars Ford Mustang GT fastback, iconic design, 58 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: unreal performance, five lead up, the eight engine, doesn't she go? 59 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 2: Still a lot of football to we played this year, Jared, 60 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 2: So we're not going in camera this yet, but this 61 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 2: magnificent vehicle is in the back of my mind when 62 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 2: I sit down and do these votes, ninety three thousand 63 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 2: dollars worth, every single time we even got this. 64 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 3: This is called Mustang Green. 65 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 2: I thought Harris Andrews on Friday night down at the Country, 66 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 2: I thought he was superb. Jack Payne he lost Arcy 67 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 2: Gardner on the night and he went to Shannon Neil. 68 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 3: Shannon Neil was lost. 69 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 2: He's a young man who's got the world his feet, 70 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 2: but he got as comprehensively beaten by one man as 71 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 2: you can. For Key position battle, so he kept chatting 72 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 2: to a touch in the first half. 73 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 3: He took six, he. 74 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 2: Took ten marks, won sixteen possessions and I thought he 75 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 2: was outstanding. 76 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: Harris so one to Harris Andrews Defenders Awards. 77 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:26,519 Speaker 4: This is just fine. 78 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 2: I'm not sure he's going to win it. He could, 79 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 2: but he's got a bit of work to do. Marcus 80 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 2: Bondapali play played as good at midfield. Well, when I 81 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 2: say as good, I thought there was one better on 82 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 2: the weekend. I generally don't defer to midfielders, but maybe 83 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 2: it's the by rounds here and with the big Fords 84 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 2: and the key backs haven't been there. 85 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 3: But you couldn't deny this. 86 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 2: Thirty six touches, three goals, fifteen contested, three score involvements. 87 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 2: He was having a picnic and the opposition adam use 88 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 2: to join us, looked a bit a bit flat coming 89 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 2: off a bye, but he just did what he had 90 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 2: to do and it sets up a magnemicent back half 91 00:03:57,920 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 2: of the year and an exciting proposition if they get 92 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 2: through to the finals. 93 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 4: Still the best player in the game. 94 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 3: We've still got him at number one. This bloke. 95 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 2: Will he ever be number one in the game. I 96 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 2: don't know, you might be Tom Green. Tom this could 97 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 2: have gone to know Anderson. 98 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 3: This is how difficult given these votes? Is he what 99 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 3: happened in the middle of the ground in this game 100 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 3: was unbelievable. 101 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 2: Yes, so he just ripped out sixteen clearances if you 102 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 2: don't mind sixteen on his own. But then Maddie Row 103 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 2: had a dozen't and Narah Anderson was outstanding. 104 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,239 Speaker 3: So but this is all contested in tight stuff. 105 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 2: Jared, look at this and one that got me out 106 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 2: of the line was this candy Candy and thanks very much. 107 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 2: So I'm a big Tom Green Green fan outving for 108 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 2: a long time as I am Noah and Maddie Rowe 109 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 2: just for me, I was taken by that game. 110 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 3: So Maddie Row gets a three. 111 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: All right, So here's how it looks changed much of 112 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: them first set of votes for Bonton Pelly and for Green. 113 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,840 Speaker 1: Harris Andrews had polled before, but at the top, Patrick Dangersfield, 114 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 1: Toby Green, Jesse Hogan still side by him and Causeing. 115 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 2: I just reiterate, I can only g three lots of time. 116 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 2: I'm coughing a lot of abuse. 117 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 4: It's not that hard to understand what that is. 118 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 2: There's a lot of people that haven't grasps. I've only 119 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 2: got one or two or three. 120 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 3: That's it. That's for the whole whole round. So I'm 121 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 3: all right, sorry for those that missed out. 122 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 4: It'll sort itself. 123 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 3: Colling, it will come for me again after Nick didn't 124 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 3: get a mate. 125 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 4: All right, let's get into it. 126 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: Top of the agenda, the doom spiral at Carlton. This 127 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,359 Speaker 1: was the risk on Saturday afternoon and it became the 128 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: reality as the Kangaroos staged and uprising to put the 129 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: Blues into free fall. 130 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 7: The Blues are getting booed by their own fans. 131 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 8: I think a Carlton fan right now sitting here watching this, 132 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 8: what's good? 133 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 3: What's happened to my proud club? Where's the fight? What 134 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 3: are you doing? 135 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 4: If your Michael was panicking? 136 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 3: He needs a miracle right now. They were much too 137 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 3: good around the contest for us. 138 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 9: And you know, across the game, I felt like they 139 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 9: pro amitted to putch there. 140 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 3: They probably build this read enough. 141 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 6: How hard that would be for Michael Voss to cut deep. 142 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 6: For the player that Michael Voss was, and that combative 143 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 6: nature for him to say we were bullied that would 144 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 6: be searing inside of him. 145 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 8: This is a proud footing club and they don't exist 146 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 8: to waste time. If they don't think that Voss is 147 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 8: the man, as they've done before, they'll rip the band 148 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 8: aid off and they'll move on. 149 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 3: The gap between our best and worst right now is 150 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 3: too big. 151 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 9: I'd like us, in terms of the way that we 152 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 9: play it to be further further ahead than where we are. 153 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 8: The next to the worst of the season that you 154 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 8: coach into your future. 155 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 3: I think it's more about staying president to where we're at. 156 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 9: That's a concerning face there by Michael Voss and I 157 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 9: fear for car. 158 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 4: D alert at. 159 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,479 Speaker 1: It is a bus cycle that is all too familiar. 160 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 1: So we thought we'd break this up into four blocks scs, 161 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 1: the club, the coach, the players. 162 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 4: But let's start with the performance. 163 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: And the performance through the middle quarters was the collapse 164 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: of hope and belief is they were bullied by a 165 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: team that has been their long term Bunny. 166 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. 167 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 2: I thought the boys did a great job on commentary 168 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 2: Brown he picked it up really quickly, and it's sort 169 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 2: of in the face because that's not what you'd expect 170 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 2: coming into this game, particularly given they only played back 171 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 2: on Easter or Good Friday and it was just a 172 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 2: belting the other way, so it was it was shocking 173 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 2: to watch it un filed. 174 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 3: It was pure delight. 175 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 2: If you're a North Melbourne fan, by the way, and 176 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 2: we'll celebrate them with Harry Sheesel tomorrow, so don't worry 177 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 2: Kangary fans, We've not forgotten you. 178 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 3: But no, there's I've been watching it just on the 179 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 3: couse like everyone else. 180 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 2: And I'm thinking who in that side worries me as 181 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 2: an opposition Like who who is? And I take Patrick 182 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 2: Crips for Patrick Crips, like's his best and effort and 183 00:07:58,840 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 2: level of effort. 184 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't very much. He's not in the best 185 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 3: of form. 186 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 2: But for the rest of it, I just sat there going, well, 187 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 2: there's not nothing that really scares me as an opposition 188 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 2: player as I'm watching this unfold, and I think North 189 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 2: Melbourne felt that as a game. First quarter was a 190 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 2: feeling out process. It was pretty ugly, and then there's 191 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 2: a game on. They thought it's like a boxer not 192 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 2: getting punched back. 193 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, they got. 194 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 2: They were emboldened by the lack of response and the 195 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 2: lack of competitive edge from the opposition and they grew 196 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 2: as a result. 197 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 3: They said, look at this, we're not getting the belt back. 198 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 2: So they go back in the middle and I think 199 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,199 Speaker 2: it'll come now away they went and kicked and they 200 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 2: just kicked the procession and they just walked off the 201 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 2: ground and Penny dropped. 202 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 3: These folks aren't that good today. Today they're not that good. 203 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 3: And they went out and did it again the third. 204 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: Quarter, so that I felt like there were three phases. 205 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: I called it on radio. The first phase it was 206 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: perplexing the way Carlton set up. They had an obsession 207 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: with going yes, sideways and backwards rather than at an 208 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: opponent that they've scored for fun against North Melbourne at 209 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: their past five. So I didn't understand the setup at all. 210 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: Then North Melbourne completely got hold of them and they 211 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 1: were in Bolden. They realized we're in this game and 212 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: there's not much coming the other way and totally dominated 213 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: two quarters. And then in the last quarter Carlton played 214 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: in the manner that they should. They played the angles, 215 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: they moved the ball, they were daring and aggressive and attacking. 216 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 4: And this is so my long held. 217 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: Belief with this Carlton setup is they traded away too 218 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: much of their natural flare what they're actually good at 219 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: in search of defense, and their game has been out 220 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: of balance for a couple of years. I thought we 221 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: saw that again really starkly. What do you mean, player 222 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: searching for something that was more dependable in their game. 223 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: They were streaky, they were a bit mad cap at times, 224 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: but when they got going, you couldn't stop them. They 225 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: rode that for a certain period of time, and they think, 226 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: they said, we're not going to win the flag doing that, 227 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: so we need to concentrate on defense. But they lost 228 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 1: all of this and they became so grim over time, 229 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: and I just think their game is totally out of balance. 230 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: They only looked any good when they go like they 231 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: did in the last quarter, and they only do it 232 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: from time to time. 233 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's that. We've seen that so many times 234 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 3: across the competition. 235 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 2: And the game's gone, then you can almost set your clock. 236 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 2: You go watch them, watch them come out here and 237 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 2: throw caution to the wind and play with some abandon 238 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 2: and that's what they did in the last quarter. And 239 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 2: the kangaroos they were just hanging on for dear grim wife. 240 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:22,439 Speaker 4: They didn't know what to do. 241 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 3: They been in front by forty points three. 242 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,439 Speaker 1: It takes a lot to learn how to win the players, 243 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:28,199 Speaker 1: the characteristics the. 244 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 3: Players, So there's lots of fould here. 245 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 2: And when I say, they're not much scares and that 246 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 2: goes to the playing list. So you know, the back 247 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 2: half is where teams generate run and drive, and I'm 248 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 2: looking through that. I'm going well, Sad and Holland's and 249 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 2: Dougherty and Chinkata. You know, they don't really scare you 250 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 2: with their buy use. But Charlie Kerno for me, has 251 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 2: been one of the great frustrations this year, because when 252 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 2: you get to times like this, you go to your 253 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:52,319 Speaker 2: leaders and Patrick Leeds. 254 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 3: So Patrick Leeds and the next rundown is Charlie. 255 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:58,439 Speaker 2: Now, Charlie's playing on Toby Pink, who played a really, 256 00:10:58,480 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 2: really good game. 257 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 3: But look at that. I mean he doesn't He plays. 258 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 2: Like a third or fourth hard half forward flank out. 259 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 3: He burns a couple in the middle. And this is 260 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 3: your main man. 261 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 2: This is the man who should stand up and say 262 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 2: we're going down here. But I will get to every contest. 263 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 2: I will work myself into the ground. I will make 264 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,079 Speaker 2: Toby Pink think that this is the artist. Toby pink 265 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:20,839 Speaker 2: could be one of the more. 266 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 3: He wouldn't be. 267 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 2: Disappointed because's played a ripping game. But when you said 268 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 2: to him it was a lot to play on, Charlie, 269 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 2: I reckon, he'd say nothing like I thought. He didn't 270 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 2: lay one tackle for the game, Charlie. You know, not 271 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 2: a single tackle for the game. And there's seven games 272 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 2: this year, where as a later tackle. He's got to 273 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 2: be better, Charlie than this. He doesn't get to enough contest. 274 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 2: He doesn't want to be the man. He doesn't want 275 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 2: to be the boa who the indictment with indictment, Mitch 276 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 2: McGovern lit him up in the last quarter that should 277 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 2: have been Charlie lighted him up. 278 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 3: Get to the contest. Kick the goals, excite the fans. 279 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 3: Mitch McGovern's run around. 280 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 2: Trying to pump everyone up because he got on a 281 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 2: bit of a roll. And I look at the other 282 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 2: end of the ground for comparison, and Nick Clarky's going 283 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 2: like a bustard, right. 284 00:11:57,920 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 3: Nick Clarky's going as bad as Charlie. 285 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 2: Nick Larky works his backside off every single contest. Nick 286 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 2: Larky's in it's like a life and death contest. He's 287 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,839 Speaker 2: laid five tackles, he's throwing his body around, he's backing 288 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:11,959 Speaker 2: in the Charlie's playing like a third tour. He's playing 289 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:13,679 Speaker 2: out on the flank and he's just sort of not 290 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 2: really getting himself. 291 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 4: Now. 292 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 2: I know he's not help by the way they set 293 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 2: it up, by the way they kick it inside fifty yard, 294 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 2: but he doesn't to me, they go they set it 295 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 2: up for Charlie to be the match winner, and Charlie 296 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 2: doesn't look like he wants to be the match winner. 297 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 2: That's the guts of it for me. He doesn't say 298 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 2: get out of my way. The amount of times the 299 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 2: players folded back and ended up in a two on 300 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 2: one because he doesn't demand all these blokes are sitting 301 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 2: there with their defenders right in front of him, and 302 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 2: they're five or six times the ball comes back for 303 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 2: a one on one and their man comes off. Charlie's 304 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 2: got to own what's going on. Instead of going it 305 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:47,679 Speaker 2: just looks like me, he goes, I don't really want 306 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 2: to be yet Mitch mcgavan said get out of my road, Charlie, 307 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 2: and that's, you know, for whatever Mitch McGovern is. He 308 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 2: walked in and said, I'm going to go, you get out, 309 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 2: and he went and went on a bit of a turn. 310 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:00,439 Speaker 2: So that to me is a bit of a measure 311 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 2: where he's at, and it's really disappointing. Didn't a single 312 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,079 Speaker 2: tackle for the game, had seven touches. 313 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 3: Playing on tob Pinkuzah. 314 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 2: He's a journeyman who's getting better and better. Walked off 315 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 2: the ground without a goal. That kind of sums it 316 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 2: up for me where they're at. 317 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 4: It's emblematic of a bit of a defeatism. 318 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I reckon and we keep going on, but they've 319 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 2: got the look I got him and they've got him 320 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 2: and they got him. 321 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, but he him, Charlie, you don't want to be him. 322 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 3: He wants someone else to be him. So emblematic is 323 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:27,439 Speaker 3: the word of that. 324 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: Level of frustration the coach. So this is this fourth season. 325 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 1: We concede in the aftermath that he expected them to 326 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 1: be further advanced. He moved his language from that's not 327 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 1: us to the gap between our best and worst. 328 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 4: Is too wide. 329 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: Is there's a desperation these days to get to is 330 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: he going to get sacked or not? We're not quite 331 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,959 Speaker 1: there yet. The question is can So they're going to 332 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: have to win some games on the way in. They're 333 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: six and eight with nine to play, and that the 334 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: frustration boiled over a three quurt of times. So clearly 335 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:00,199 Speaker 1: they're not playing in the manner that they're sup was 336 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: to be playing. And so can this coaching stuff and 337 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 1: can Michael Voss embed in this group a style that 338 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: looks like it will be successful next year? 339 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 2: He has been able to pass, but the confidence in 340 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,319 Speaker 2: him being able to do it again and this next 341 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 2: nine weeks has diminished somewhat, I think. 342 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 3: And I'm not after Michael Voss's either. 343 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 2: I like what he does does, but the manner in 344 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 2: which they play has just not kept pace with. 345 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 3: The manner in which the game has evolved. 346 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 2: And then so then the next move for Voss is 347 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 2: to go, can I get a bit more imaginative? 348 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 3: Can I try? 349 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 2: And so I've talked about Charlie. Charlie has got Maddie 350 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 2: Richardson capability. Maddy Richardson went under a wing and nearly 351 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 2: won a Brown. He do something about it as the 352 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 2: game on files he played in the end, he said Chincoto, 353 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 2: who tagged really well, you know he's made his name. 354 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 2: They sent him to Kayla Daniel when mkirchey and Sesel 355 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 2: got off the chain and had massive and Daniel had 356 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 2: nine touches anyway, and I'm thinking that's a strange one. 357 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 2: He played the coning forward and pitting it in the ruck. 358 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 2: And Tom Decanney, you know, he hasn't kicked more than 359 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 2: double figure goals in his career in season and he's 360 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 2: been a tear away ruck success in reason. 361 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:06,239 Speaker 3: Let him go. So they're there's specifics. 362 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 2: The rest of it is game plan and style, and 363 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 2: I think Vossi's you know, he's cut his teeth on 364 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 2: contest and clearance. 365 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 3: It's it's the same old. 366 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 2: Thing I wrote about these guys early in the year, 367 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 2: the worst kicking team in the competition. So if you're 368 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 2: going to try and build a more expansive game, you 369 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 2: can't do it if you haven't got kickers. Well, here 370 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 2: we are around seventeen and they're still bottom three in 371 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 2: the competition for kicking. So it's tires the hand behind 372 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 2: your back. You want to be more expansive, if you 373 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 2: want to take the game on, you keep turning it over, 374 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 2: you get gun shy and you go back into old habits. 375 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: So year one they went twelve and ten and agonized them. 376 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: They missed the finals under him. Then they go thirteen 377 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: nine and one and go on that epic run in 378 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: the final series which takes into the prelim. Last year, 379 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: they're second at this stage and it's a total collapse 380 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: from there and they fall into the finals by virtue 381 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: of the good grace of Freemattle of not being able 382 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: to noil down to place this year, and we don't 383 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: say it for the first time. 384 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 4: They just don't look any good. 385 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: They're six and eight and their tenh and with what 386 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: they've got to Corme me, it's very hard the forecast 387 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: where they finish up. 388 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 4: But it is. It's regression. 389 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: It's not the gap between their best and the worst. 390 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: This is straight out regression now it is. 391 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 3: And beaten Geelong. I was at that game. 392 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 2: I did it round seven and he thought, oh hey, yeah, 393 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 2: this is a bit more like modern day footy. But 394 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 2: then since then they've dropped off and beaten se Kiledres 395 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 2: and West Coast and lost to most of all the 396 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 2: other teams. 397 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 3: So then you get back to what this club is. 398 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 4: So that's now the question is is it in the walls? 399 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: So this administration has preached stability like born again Christians 400 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: and it did serve them well the last time they 401 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: reached this sort of flashpoint. But it's a recurring cycle 402 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: and it feels like today. So Patrick Crips is there again. 403 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: He did this for Brendan Bolton, he did this for 404 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: David tig and now he does it. 405 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 4: For Michael Voss. 406 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 7: When times are half it's the most important time to 407 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 7: stay together and stay united. And for a lot of 408 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 7: years now I had that stronger together sort of mindset. 409 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 7: And you know, it's easy to do that when we're winning. 410 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 7: It's bloody hard to do it when you have some 411 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 7: tough losses. So my message with the saying like we're 412 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 7: sticking fat together, you know, sort of buying in and 413 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 7: really get behind us and you know we'll turn it around. 414 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 7: It's it's going to take a lot of work, on 415 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 7: a lot of effort, but you know we're going to 416 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:17,360 Speaker 7: say united. 417 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 4: What you should be further ahead in development. 418 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 2: Obosusly sort of spoke of that on the weekend, that 419 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:22,959 Speaker 2: this is not a team that you know should be building, 420 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 2: it's a team that should be ready to contend. 421 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 3: Now. 422 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 7: Yeah, I like without a doubt, But at the same time, 423 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 7: like when his life always go to plant like it's 424 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 7: not linear. So I've never had a year where it's 425 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 7: all gone to plan and you know, it's it's been 426 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 7: smooth sailing, like in the year that we did get 427 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 7: on a run, like we'll four and eight at one stage. 428 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 7: So it's you just got to stick together if you'll 429 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:46,360 Speaker 7: find a way through it. And you know, we knew 430 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 7: the outcome, the whole journey wouldn't be that fun. 431 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 3: So don't don't get me wrong. 432 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 4: I don't want to be in this. 433 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 7: Position, but also realistic that we'll find our way out 434 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 7: of this position. 435 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 4: So it's a vicious cycle. 436 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 1: If you think back over recent times, Greg Swann came 437 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: in to change it, Brian Cook came in to change it, 438 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: Dennis Pagan was brought in as the mastermind. Then the 439 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 1: savior is going to be Mick Moldause and now people 440 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: saying it's Graham right, and it could be John Lotemire's 441 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: they out they're living the same cycle over and over 442 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: and over. 443 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 4: How does it change? 444 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 2: That's a good point, Well, how does it change? How's 445 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 2: it changed right now? For Carlton fans? And I'm not 446 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 2: going to ask you. You're in the cold face of 447 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 2: this from a public point of view? Is this bigger 448 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 2: than it has been in recent times because of the 449 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 2: saturation of the coverage of the game, And therefore we're 450 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 2: geting to do a stage with our carton supporters that 451 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 2: you can identify by name, given the amount of airtime 452 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 2: they get these and I get it, that's their passion. 453 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 2: In news gone by, they'd walk off and take that 454 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 2: home and sit in the backyard with their mates and moan. 455 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 2: And now it's all put out in the public place. 456 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 3: So is it bigger than it actually is? 457 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: So it's over the club is overly emotional. Lot the 458 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 1: people inside, it's overly emotional, and it's bordering on destructive. 459 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: And I do liken it to what we've just lived 460 00:18:57,800 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: through with Tottenham Hotspur, and I'm glad to be done 461 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 1: with them because that's a really unhealthy environment. So the 462 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: rise was absolutely glorious to a preliminary final man. It 463 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 1: unlocked all that is good about Carlton and then to 464 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 1: have it wrenched away so quickly, we're back in the 465 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: This is a generation old dwelling now. 466 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 4: To be at the bottom of the well. 467 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 2: That's not to be critical of the supporter supporters have 468 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 2: got every right to be emotional and to be jubilant 469 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 2: in victory and despondent in loss. Now they've had more 470 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 2: loss than victory in recent times. 471 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 3: But how do you get out of it? Where you 472 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 3: just go back. 473 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 2: And make good decisions, to make good decisions, that's the 474 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 2: bottom line. 475 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 3: There's every club and not my club. 476 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 2: I've been there, and until you start making good decisions 477 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 2: and less and less poor decisions, then you start. 478 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,199 Speaker 3: To get your way out. So yeah, you don't need 479 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 3: to massigh I. 480 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 2: But Graham right has got history of making good decisions 481 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 2: and he's got to make really good decisions now from 482 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 2: this point forward. 483 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 3: And that's around Tom the goning, and that's around where they. 484 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 2: Keep the list as it is, where they go, No, 485 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 2: let's strip this back and get some bugs that can kick, 486 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 2: and get some bokes a bit flexible. So there's no secret. 487 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 2: I've never been brave enough to do it. There's no 488 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,239 Speaker 2: secret one I would imagine. You just got to make 489 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 2: good decisions. 490 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 4: Cast a plan, follow it through, and be right. 491 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 1: So that's the hardest part is you don't know in 492 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: real time whether you're going to be get rights. Is 493 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: the list needs work, they'd have to pull it apart underground. 494 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 3: I don't think there's any doubt that it needs work. 495 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 4: Okay, that's the Carlton discussion. 496 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: The rest, well, what we know is there are nine 497 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,640 Speaker 1: and there are only eight seats, and so the shuffle, 498 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: the movement from week to week becomes more profound as 499 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:30,360 Speaker 1: we go. 500 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 4: And that was right before us. On the weekend, there. 501 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 5: Spects will be a game that are caught strong. But 502 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,640 Speaker 5: there we're vulnerable as well, you know, at different times, 503 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:43,120 Speaker 5: and you know, we're not shying away from the fact 504 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 5: that we haven't been able to be you know, most 505 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 5: of the teams above us and there are above us 506 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 5: and higher up on the latter for a reason, they're 507 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 5: the better teams in the competition. 508 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 9: When we put it together, I think we're a pretty 509 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 9: good team. 510 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 10: You know. 511 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 9: With that, we need to become a little bit more 512 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 9: consistent with our in game stuff, particularly to be the 513 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,199 Speaker 9: team that we want to be. But I think I 514 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 9: think we're we're on tractor, but you know, to build 515 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 9: that consistency and become that team. 516 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,360 Speaker 10: By last year or third eighth, we've got to the buy. 517 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 10: This year we're second, so funnier thing still to work on. 518 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 10: But I think the boys have done a good job 519 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,919 Speaker 10: to win a flag and then whether the storm at 520 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 10: the first part of the year, it hasn't been smooth sailing. 521 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,120 Speaker 10: All the teams come at you. So I'm pretty pleas. 522 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: Aware we're at get the win when you need it, 523 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,439 Speaker 1: make sure you don't fumble what's in front of you. 524 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: And then the teams who are in your areas, they're 525 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 1: going to have to play Nason letters with me most 526 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: weeks from here Gas, just to see what the shake 527 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: up looks like. Two and three traded places. They played 528 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 1: each other for it. The Giants and Gold Coast result 529 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 1: was pretty profound. But Gold Coast are outside, but they 530 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: have played either one or two fewer games than those 531 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 1: up ahead, and the Bulldogs back in after a little 532 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: exit on the outside. 533 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:03,640 Speaker 4: So team at a. 534 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: Time, we'll start with the Bulldogs seven and zero per 535 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: percentage of two hundred against the Non nine. 536 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,679 Speaker 2: They just keep setting it all up, getting all your 537 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 2: pieces in place, make sure you sound and in good 538 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 2: form for when the bigger challenges come. 539 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 3: And that's what they've done. 540 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 2: So Marcus is purring, Sam Darcy's getting better, injury free 541 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 2: the midfield in the absence of Bonton Pali has grown 542 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 2: in the early part of the year. 543 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 3: I think Rory Love is really important in the back half. 544 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 2: So they're beautiful placed to take on the challenge of 545 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 2: trying to write what is the only sort of wrong 546 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 2: and that is that haven't been anyway. 547 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, they're one and six against them the eight that matter. 548 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, so no, they're great. They're not really great. They're 549 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 3: exactly where they would want to be and say, bring 550 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 3: on the challenges. 551 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 1: The cost of yesterday as Adam trelaw So, thirty two 552 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 1: year old runner up in the Best and Fairest last year, 553 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: has had a really interrupted season calf strain six weeks 554 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 1: that puts him right at the back end of the 555 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: home and away see and has played four games so 556 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,479 Speaker 1: first up got injured against Port Adelaide, had a handful 557 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 1: of weeks off. First up against Hawthorne, was a bit 558 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 1: hobbled in that game, got through one and then injured 559 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: in the next. He's on a very fine line now. 560 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 2: He's at the bonus stage. Now if he gets back, 561 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,439 Speaker 2: he's a bonus. They've got coverage, they got and the 562 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,439 Speaker 2: game moves quickly and moves pasty, which is hard for Adam. 563 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,120 Speaker 2: I hope he gets back, but Ed Richards taken over 564 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 2: that role. 565 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 3: He's their main man in there. Now. 566 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 2: I love what the Giants did their last quarter. Just 567 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 2: refused to yield. And this is a trait that Adam 568 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,919 Speaker 2: Kingsley would be totally admiring of his group. I mean, 569 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 2: this is a really good game of footy there on 570 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 2: the back foot for most of it. They gave up 571 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 2: the first four goals of the game, but they just 572 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,479 Speaker 2: didn't yield and it got to the last quarter and 573 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 2: it was just they made the most of every time 574 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 2: they went inside forward fifty. So you look at some 575 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 2: of this stuff and I'm sure Dimma would be disappointed 576 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 2: having gone through it the take today or yesterday whenever 577 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 2: they reviewed the game. But this GWS side who aren't 578 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 2: quite where they need to be in terms of playing, 579 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 2: and they've got a couple out but I'll. 580 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,400 Speaker 3: Tell you what they do, Jared, is they don't roll over. 581 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 3: They don't refuse to roll up. 582 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: So they've got these wins against Collingwood, Brisbane and Geelong 583 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 1: and now they've got two huge last quarter comebacks whilst 584 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 1: at other times looking like they're ninth and ninth. 585 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 2: And that boat kind of summed them up in the end, 586 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,439 Speaker 2: didn't he Jake Stringer comes on as a sub and 587 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,400 Speaker 2: just puts it out across They gets them across the line. 588 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,880 Speaker 2: So this is a final series that if they get 589 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,360 Speaker 2: in I'm going to enjoy watching him play because they 590 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 2: will be honest as a day is long. 591 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 3: And that's a good starting point I reckon for any. 592 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 4: Time Stringer looks like a good sub, doesn't he. 593 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 2: Well, he does, he does until you're playing, and yeah 594 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 2: he does. 595 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 3: I leave it at that. He looks like a good. 596 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 4: Sub, proper impact player. 597 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 3: Temptation might be to get more of that. Yes, ont 598 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:54,640 Speaker 3: of the game at some stage, and. 599 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: The Brisbane lines left a big impression on us on 600 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 1: Friday night. 601 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,880 Speaker 2: Yes, the coach Chris Fagan just had it little. You know, 602 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 2: everyone else is worried about us, but where not. He 603 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 2: had a quiet, steely confidence going into this game. And 604 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 2: I love the way they played you. They took the 605 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 2: ball off the line. You look down the line. There 606 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 2: you see Jack Henry thinking they're going to go straight 607 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 2: down the line. You see Tommy Stewart peeling back, and 608 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, Zach Bailey hits up the leader. 609 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:19,679 Speaker 2: So they did this a couple of times coming out 610 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 2: of the back half, and they executed it really, really well. 611 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 2: They're aggressive with their ball movement right from the word go. 612 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 2: We love this in the end from Charlie, he's just 613 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,679 Speaker 2: twisted his hips at the last minute and put the 614 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 2: arms in the air and set good. 615 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 3: So that was a I thought that. 616 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 2: Was the best performance of the weekend and reminded everyone 617 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,120 Speaker 2: just how good this list is. Their midfield's very very good, 618 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 2: and Cameron is a good player and Harris was great 619 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 2: in the back half. 620 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 1: They were spiritually there and they were so sophisticated in 621 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,199 Speaker 1: the tactics that they rolled out no problem for me. 622 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 3: For the Cats, it was a horrible night. 623 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 2: They played terrible, but they still managed to take plenty 624 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 2: of shots of goal throughout the course of the night. 625 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 3: So it's set up. 626 00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 2: These teams are going to be involved in that point 627 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 2: the end of the year and I'll have a break 628 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,880 Speaker 2: Brisbane and Geelong there and the Giants and the Bombers, 629 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 2: and then they'll come back and run hard home to 630 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,640 Speaker 2: the to the end of the year. So I loved, 631 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 2: in fact didn't like it. I love what Brisbane did. 632 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 2: I didn't think they were going to do it. I 633 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 2: thought you long and went on Friday night. They had 634 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 2: a terrible night, but Brisbane. 635 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 3: Were outstanding all right. 636 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 1: Let's bring it in our coaches, Damien Hardwick and Adam Moose, 637 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: so the old coach of Richmond and the new both 638 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: on the wrong side of it on the weekend. Damien 639 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: Hardwick with plenty to pour through from how it unfolded 640 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: across the day in Sydney and Adam Moose so poor 641 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 1: either side of the bye. 642 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:36,679 Speaker 4: But there's been a lot more to like about the 643 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 4: Tigers than that. Mary. 644 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:40,199 Speaker 1: You're just looking at me. 645 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 4: Juli