WEBVTT - Sharri | 15 April 0:00:01.520 --> 0:00:09.520 Why. On Sky News This is Sharry. 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:11.080 Good Evening tonight. Under scrutiny from the Australian Electoral Commission, 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:15.080 the influencers paid by the Teals are forced to disclose 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:18.759 their endorsements. Plus I'll tell you the real reason a 0:00:18.840 --> 0:00:23.000 Legraspender pulled out of a debate against Roeknox. Also on 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:25.919 the show, the internal Liberal polls that show Dutton is 0:00:25.960 --> 0:00:29.840 ahead in outer suburban areas and can still win. I'll 0:00:29.880 --> 0:00:33.240 speak with James Patterson about this in a moment. Plus 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:37.280 Albanese's backflip on Tanya Plebisak, how he was forced into 0:00:37.320 --> 0:00:40.960 confirming she will still have a job if he wins government. 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:44.240 And just when you think the Greens can't get any worse, 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:49.280 they're forced to reschedule a dance party planned for Anzac Day. 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:53.280 Roman Bishop and Steve Price will get stuck in shortly. 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:56.560 Also on the show, the link documents that Facebook is 0:00:56.680 --> 0:01:01.320 monitoring children and exploiting their anxieties and insecurities. All of 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:06.919 this coming up, but first tonight. Young influencers endorsing TLMP 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:11.560 Allegraspender have now been forced to disclose that their posts 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:15.959 were paid partnerships. These disclosures are highly embarrassing for the 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:21.760 weightworth MP who's built her reputation on integrity in politics. 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:24.200 And you've told me you want more integrity in politics. 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:26.759 You want protections for our whistleblows, you want to ban 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:29.480 gambling pads, and you want to see better behavior in 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:32.039 our parliament from our leaders in our country. These are 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:34.640 the priorities you've told me that are important, and this 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:35.399 is what I fight for. 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:41.080 And here's the irony Allegraspender's office has told a business 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:45.640 owner that she wouldn't debate her liberal rival Ronox because 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:49.600 there's a lack of editorial standards at Sky News. We 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:53.280 were meant to be hosting the debate. This fascical response 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:56.160 came literally at the same time as she was caught 0:01:56.200 --> 0:02:01.120 out paying influences without proper disclosure in potential breach of 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:07.200 AAC rules. Spender reluctantly admitted on Friday that influencers who 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:11.160 were endorsing her were paid, but she didn't admit this 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:15.480 as a matter of transparency and accountability. It was under 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:20.240 repeated questioning on the ABC. What does that mean? 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:22.880 Does that mean in collaboration you've paid her to make 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:24.839 the video? What does that actually mean? 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:28.720 Yeah, so We've worked with a sort of agency and 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:33.320 a bunch of influencers and you know, content creators to 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:36.520 try and reach different audiences. Because what I've noticed really 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:40.360 in this in this particularly this election, is that a 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:42.000 lot of people have switched off politics. 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:44.280 So you did your campaign pay her? 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:44.480 Then? 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:48.240 So the so our campaign has paid an agency who's 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:52.360 paid some influences or content creators to you know, collaborate 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:53.440 on different posts. 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:57.079 Okay, so ultimately she probably got paid by that agency. 0:02:57.720 --> 0:03:00.480 Yeah, I think so. 0:03:00.680 --> 0:03:05.640 Don't you love the reluctant transparency. It took three questions 0:03:06.000 --> 0:03:10.320 before that admission that yes, the influencer was paid. Now, 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:13.959 the agency she referred to is called Sentiment. And here 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:17.000 was some of that paid content that was meant to 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:21.120 be simply organic support from the younger demographic you're about 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:23.560 to see. TikTok creator Luke Gallagher. 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:26.720 I live in Wentworth and I'm voting for the independent 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:29.480 allegrospender and I'm here to tell you why. 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:33.840 Well, that video was deleted and then re uploaded yesterday 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:37.880 with a disclosure that says this content was made as 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:42.960 part of a paid partnership with a legraspender Edgecliff And 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:46.800 here's another influencer endorsement for a legraspender. 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:50.640 This is the first time Millennials and gen Z outnumbered 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:53.280 the Boomies. So let's talk about what happens when majority 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:56.119 of Ozzie's ditched the two party system. Bye bye, Meet 0:03:56.240 --> 0:03:58.920 a legraspender. She ran as an Indian twenty twenty two. 0:03:59.000 --> 0:03:59.440 Not for her. 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:01.960 She had a perfectly lovely life. People just kept begging 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:03.640 her to do it, and nobody else was at the time. 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:05.760 He took the seat right out from under some liberal 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:08.200 guy Paul Bloke and now fights. I'm in fights for 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:11.480 actual climate action, political integrity and lowering cost of living. 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:15.360 She's chill, She's chill, so chill. 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:16.080 Well. 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:19.839 That influencer Millie has one hundred and thirty seven thousand followers, 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:23.479 and she was paid to produce content for Spender. And 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:26.760 here's another of her posts where she endorses the Teal 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:31.160 and then describes Peter Dutton's policies as terrifying. 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:35.280 Somamp is a legal spender and she votes consistently for 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:38.920 strong climate action, housing affordability, and protection. 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:41.279 Of minority groups. I'm very happy with my representative and 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:43.000 I will be voting for her to stay in power. 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:45.320 To keep doing what she's doing. If we compare that 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:47.920 to someone like mister Dutton, he's. 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:52.039 Voted for increasing indexation of hex, against transgender rights and 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:55.440 to cut penalty rates for workers terrifying. 0:04:57.040 --> 0:05:01.960 So Dartanique was terrifying and Allegra is so chill. And 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:05.039 by the way, this influencer, Millie, also was invited to 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:06.920 Canberra for the budget. 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:08.640 What gives you hope? 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:10.520 You know better than anyone in Australia right now, what 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:11.880 gives you hope for the next generation? 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:13.680 Not just as a politician but as a person. 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:15.159 Yep. 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:18.200 She was part of a group of thirteen content creators 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:21.800 invited by the Albanezy government into the budget lock up, 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:24.800 and some of the group even had their travel and 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:30.080 accommodation costs covered by labor Well. The AAC has now 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:33.839 issued new rules for influencers, saying that they need to 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:39.919 disclose any payment involved to produce the political material. Now 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:43.640 this influence of Millie didn't initially disclose that her content 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:47.080 was paid. She said it was in collaboration, but now, 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:50.279 like Luke, she's updated her posts to read that this 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:53.960 content was made as part of a paid partnership with 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:59.880 a legraspender. Edgecliff. Now, as you know, most influencers routinely 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:03.120 declare just as a matter of course, if their content 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:07.000 is paid when they're spooking a handbag or skin creep. 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:11.440 So it's bizarre this didn't happen automatically in the case 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:16.320 of those paid by Allegra Spender. So what was her 0:06:16.360 --> 0:06:20.599 response to all of this? Well, stunningly, despite being caught 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:25.520 out secretly paying influences without the proper disclosure, she said 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:31.680 she wouldn't apologize for this lack of transparency. 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:33.880 As is appropriate for any professional. We paid merely for 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:36.599 her time, but the content she chooses to post is 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:39.400 all her own. Sounds fair enough, right, I'm not going 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:42.000 to apologize for finding new ways to connect with young 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:45.640 people and for finding for their future on issues like housing, 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:50.360 climate change, and mental health. Doing politics differently means changing 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:51.080 the status quo. 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:57.920 Yeah, doing politics differently, she says. Well, by this, does 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:01.480 she mean potentially flouting the rule and instead engaging in 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:05.560 cash for comment, because that's what the coalition is calling this. 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:11.040 Alger Spender has been paying social media influences to promote 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:11.680 her cause. 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:12.960 Has she crossed the line? 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:14.520 I just think when it comes to. 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:18.920 The whole Teal movement. The whole thing's a conjob and 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:20.880 that's why people are now seeing through the Teals. 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:24.520 And Spender held an event at the pub with that 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:30.720 influencer Millie last night, but the media were blocked from entering. Again, 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:35.640 so much for transparency. Well, her fellow teal in the 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:39.600 Victorian seat of ku Jong Josh Fridenberg's old seat, Minnie Ryan, 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:43.480 has now clarified her position on the matter after that 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:47.440 dreadful train wreck interview on the ABC where she didn't 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:49.680 quite know what she thought about this scandal. 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:54.480 Oh, I don't want to have an opinion on it, really, 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:57.040 I think, well. 0:07:57.480 --> 0:08:01.440 You don't think you think voters does to know that 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:04.200 if someone they're watching is saying great things about a politician, 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:06.360 whether they're being paid by that politician. 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:09.360 I have to give some thought. It's not something I've 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:11.720 given great thought to myself. Obviously, I haven't engaged in 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:12.800 anything like that myself. 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:14.000 You'd have to give that some thought. 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:20.960 Well, I would think that it would be clear. 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:21.640 I don't know. 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:27.480 I think. 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:29.760 I'd have to give it some thought. 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:36.040 Done so, despite everyone despite her being obsessed with everyone 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:40.240 calling her a doctor, Minnie Grian wasn't smart enough to 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:43.080 think of an answer to that question on the spot, 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:46.720 and that was Sunday. It took her two days before 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:49.679 she worked out what to say about this, and finally 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:53.640 today she posted a statement saying that, having now had 0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:56.880 an opportunity to look at this issue, I fully support 0:08:56.960 --> 0:09:01.679 the aac's position statement from last Friday that influencer content 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:06.320 paid for by politicians should be clearly labeled as such. 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:10.840 So this is what accountability looks like. The teals have 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:15.520 to be dragged kicking and screaming to it. Interesting then 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:19.479 that when a Sydney businesswoman, the owner of a florist 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:22.400 in Double Bay, which she told me that she phoned 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:25.840 Allegra Spender's office to ask why she'd pulled out of 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:29.600 the Sky News debate against Roeknox, and this is what 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:33.959 she told me. That Spender's office said, Allegra doesn't have 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:39.640 any faith in the editorial standards on Sky Now. As 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:44.080 you know, Sky News hosted fair and balanced debates between 0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:48.240 the Prime Minister and the Opposition leader, between the Treasurer 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:52.920 and the Shadow Treasurer. There's been no suggestion, even from 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:57.319 our worst critics, that these debates weren't anything other than 0:09:57.480 --> 0:10:02.040 even handed and objective so it's unclear what concerns a 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:07.280 legraspender could possibly have about the editorial standards at Sky News. 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:18.000 Perhaps she's worried about more of that pesky transparency and accountability. Well, 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:21.080 let's turn to the bombshell reports from today that Russia 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:23.760 wants to have a military base with a long range 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:28.320 aircraft in Indonesia. This would be a mere four hundred 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:33.160 kilometers from Australia's mainland. The geostrategic threat from a hostile 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:38.800 dictatorship so close to Australia would of course be significant. Now, 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:42.520 Albanezy had nothing of substance to say earlier today when 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:45.760 he was asked about this, except that he was being briefed. 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:48.480 He truly is utterly hopeless. 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:52.079 Have a look, we have a good relationship with our 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:56.720 friend in Indonesia and we're seeking further clarification. Obviously do 0:10:56.880 --> 0:11:02.480 not want to see Russia an influence in our region. 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:06.640 He never knows what's going on. He is never across 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:10.640 the detail. He's stumbling, mumbling his way through the answers. 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:14.560 Peter Dutton meanwhile said it would be a catastrophic failure 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:20.680 of diplomatic relations if Albanzi was oblivious to Russia's reported move. 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:25.160 We would want to hear from the Prime Minister about 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:28.440 what if it's have been undertaken. Obviously, surely they must 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:31.320 have known about this before it's been made public, and 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:33.520 if not, then that is a catastrophic failure of Penny 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:34.679 Wong and Anthony Alberzian. 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:38.520 Now it's taken hours and hours and hours to actually 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:41.000 get to the bottom of this, and now Defense Minister 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:44.640 Richard Miles Tonight says that Indonesia has told him the 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:49.520 reports are not true, that they won't host a Russian aircraft. 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:52.120 He said he's spoken to his counterpart and he's told 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:54.960 him in the clearest possible terms that the reports of 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:59.680 the prospect of Russian aircraft operating from Indonesia are not true. 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:02.640 Let's bring in now Shadow Home Affairs Minister and Coalition 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:06.480 campaign spokesman James Patterson. James, great to see you again. 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:11.079 Are you convinced by this assurance from Richard Miles Tonight. 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:15.360 Well, I certainly hope that it's true, and it would 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:18.240 be welcome news if the Indonesian government had ruled out 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:22.440 any Russian air Force access to Indonesian military bases. 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:24.680 But it's not sufficiently clear. 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:27.120 I think from the minister's statement that that is the case, 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:29.800 and I look forward to official confirmation from the Indonesian 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:33.319 government that not only will Russian aircraft not be based 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:35.480 in Indonesia, but they won't have any sort of visiting 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:39.520 or access arrangements at all. Because Indonesia is an incredibly 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:43.320 important national security partner for Australia. We work very cooperatively 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:47.240 with them on things like people smuggling, account terrorism, anti 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:50.079 narcotics trafficking and other important issues, and we want to 0:12:50.080 --> 0:12:52.920 make sure that relationship main strong. The thing that concerns 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:55.199 me most from today, though, Shari, is that it's very 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:58.360 clear that until this was reported in the media, the 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:01.200 Australian government, the Obernezi Gap and had no idea that 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:04.160 Russia had made this request of Indonesia, and they were 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:06.280 rushed into a panicked phone call to try and get 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:08.640 to the bottom of this. Well, a good relationship should 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:10.679 make sure that you know about these things in advance, 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:12.680 and good intelligence should make sure that you know about 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:15.120 these things in advance. But it does seem like a 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:17.160 pretty significant failure on this government's watch. 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:20.760 Okay, let's turn to the polls now, which show a 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:24.200 labor that is on the ascendancy. It shows the coalition 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:28.040 falling behind now. The Nationals leader David little Proud was 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:31.160 on with Chris Kenny earlier tonight and he said something 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:34.199 really interesting. He said that the national polls weren't an 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:38.920 accurate reflection of the election or what the internal Liberal 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:39.960 polls are showing here. 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:44.360 He was, I don't think the national polls are reflective 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:48.240 of the hyper local campaigns are taking place there and 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:50.719 I think to your point, it's exactly about cost of 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:53.599 living about in particularly as you get out of the 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:57.800 inner suburbs where there is not necessarily a bigger cost 0:13:57.840 --> 0:13:59.960 of living crisis as these you get at further out, 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:03.160 they're not feeling it as much. And I think what's 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:05.599 important is that what we're not walking away from the 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:08.840 national polls and what they reflect what we're seeing now 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:11.560 we're internal polling, is that as you get out where 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:14.200 Australians are struggling and we're saying to them we're going 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:16.320 to give you a tax cut of twelve hundred dollars 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:19.280 an individual twenty four hundred family. 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:22.480 James. He also said this was more like the twenty 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:26.640 nineteen election than twenty twenty two, So is he right? 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:29.960 Or your internal polls showing the Coalition ahead in those 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:31.280 out of suburban seats. 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:36.240 Sure, you won't expect me to disclose internal polling on 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:38.560 your program tonight, but let me point to something that's 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:41.680 in the public realm that shows something very interesting about leaders. 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:44.320 Peter Dutton was in three seats in Melbourne today. He 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:46.800 was in McEwen, he was in Hawk and he's in Gorton. 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:47.360 Now. 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:49.520 One of those is a traditional marginal seat in McEwen, 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:51.320 but we haven't held it for some time. Hawk is 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:53.480 a new seat, but it covers territory that's been safe 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:56.480 flavor and we've never held the seat of Gorton. And 0:14:56.480 --> 0:14:58.320 that's where Peter Dutton spent his time today and he 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:01.440 got a terrific reception show that even the press gallery 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:03.920 wrote it up. Where was the Prime Minister today, Well, 0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:06.600 he was in Franklin in Tasmania, and he was in 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:09.960 Cooper in Victoria. Now, your most scarce resource in a 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:12.360 campaign is your leader. And it's a very strange thing 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:15.480 to send your prime minister to safe labor held seats 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:18.080 if you've got no concerns at all. So perhaps the 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:19.880 Greens are surging in Cooper and there are danger of 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:22.440 losing it there. Perhaps the Independent in Franklin is a 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:25.440 grave danger of taking the seat off Julie Collins there, and. 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:26.720 That could be a very big upset. 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:28.480 And if the Prime Mister has to spend time and 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:31.360 money defending seats like that, well it makes other contests 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:32.280 much more competitive. 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:35.080 I mean, you said that that you wouldn't talk about 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:38.160 internal polling, but of course the Nationalist leader did. He 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:41.520 said that your internal polling showed that Darton was ahead 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:45.000 in those outer suburban areas. But we're hearing a lot 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:49.160 of public criticisms about the coalition's campaign, including that the 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:53.000 work from home policy wasn't dumped early enough, that other 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:56.360 policies were announced too late, that the tv ads didn't 0:15:56.400 --> 0:16:00.360 start soon enough. What do you say to cons earned 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:04.040 coalition voters that the election is slipping away from the coalition? 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:06.640 You know, what is the path to victory? 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:10.960 I would say that when people hear our message, they 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:13.920 are incredibly receptive to it, to it and to us, 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:16.320 and they're inclined to vote for us. And particularly when 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:18.280 they hear that we're going to cut people's petrol and 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:20.880 diesel tax by fourteen dollars a tank, they're going to 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:23.320 vote Coalition when they hear that will give them twelve 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:26.440 hundred dollars of their taxpayer's money back is a cost 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:27.160 of living repaate. 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:28.760 They're inclined to vote Coalition. 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:30.680 When they hear that we're going to push more gas 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:32.600 into the system to drive down prices, they're going to 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:35.680 vote for the Coalition. When they hear about our comprehensive 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:38.520 housing plan to get first home buyers back into the 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:40.320 market for a first time in a long time, they're 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:42.800 very open to vote into the Coalition. So we've got 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:44.240 to sell to make over the next two and a 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:44.760 half weeks. 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:46.800 We know that. But when people hear. 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:49.200 Our message, they are very receptive to it and very 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:50.480 inclined to vote for us. 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:53.800 Chris Kenny revealed on his show earlier today that although 0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:58.600 the Labor government officially opposes your taxation benefit for first 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:04.760 home buyersmps are actually able to claim these deductions personally. So, James, 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:08.040 do you think that the Prime Minister and other ministers 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:11.840 and coalition figures as well should declare, if they're receiving 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:14.960 this benefit that they object to first home buyers having. 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:19.320 Well, I certainly hope that there's no Labor MP claiming 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:21.639 a benefit that they want to deny to a first 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:23.840 home buyer. But when it comes to the Coalition, we're 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:27.000 very clear we think we need significant change to our 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:30.320 tax system to facilitate first time buyers getting into the market. 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:31.880 We want to give them a leg up, we want 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:33.719 to give them advantage in the market. We want them 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:35.920 to be able to go to an auction and bid 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:38.199 with confidence knowing that they'll be able to get a 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:41.280 significant tax rebate if they're a first time buyer buying 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:43.600 a new home, to the tune of eleven to twelve 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:45.800 thousand dollars a year, which would be transformative for a 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:47.760 lot of young people who feel that been locked out 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:50.520 of the market. In conjunction with our other policies to 0:17:50.600 --> 0:17:53.880 boost supply and reduce demand by cutting back on immigration, 0:17:54.680 --> 0:17:56.919 that's what the offering we're making to young Australians to 0:17:56.920 --> 0:17:59.840 restore that hope of home ownership. And we think that 0:17:59.840 --> 0:18:02.359 we and they hear that message, they'll increasingly vote for 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:02.880 the Coalition. 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:06.720 But if labor's objecting to this tax benefit and they're 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:11.200 personally receiving it, then shouldn't they publicly disclose that disclose that. 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:14.520 Certainly that would be certainly that would be an active hypocrisy, 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:16.800 and probably not the first one from this Labor Party. 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:19.719 They're often ones to claim benefits for themselves that they 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:21.960 deny to others. But for us, we are about getting 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:24.480 Australians into the home into the home mark all right, 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:25.000 I just. 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:27.359 Want to ask you about my report from the start 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:30.320 of the program where the Teals have been paying influences 0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:33.479 to endorse their policies. Now you personally wrote to the 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:37.800 AEC Commissioner asking for an investigation. What are your concerns 0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:41.520 here and is the coalition paying any influencers to produce 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:42.359 positive content? 0:18:44.480 --> 0:18:46.600 Well, the only content that the Coalition publishes in the 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:49.800 election campaign is authorized and released by the coalition. We're 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:53.040 not covertly paying anyone to say nice things about us 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:53.960 without declaring it. 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:55.200 And that's the problem here. 0:18:55.480 --> 0:18:58.840 The Teals run on a platform of integrity and transparency, 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:02.160 but this is not true. Sparent and integrity is doing 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:04.800 the right thing even when you think someone's not watching. 0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:08.159 But when Allegrath Spender thought no one was watching, she 0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:11.000 thought she could get away with secretly paying influences to 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:14.040 say nice things about her without disclosing that to voters. 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:15.760 It's similar behavior that we've seen from. 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:18.800 Other teals, like Manique Ryan's husband, who thought when no 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:21.240 one was watching, it was okay to steal your political 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:23.919 opponent's signs. And that's why a lot of people are 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:26.760 waking up to the teals. They're realizing that what they bought, 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:29.040 what they've got, is not what they paid for, and 0:19:29.119 --> 0:19:31.679 it's time for them to take a different choice at 0:19:31.680 --> 0:19:34.680 this election and return liberal members to the Federal Parliament 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:37.240 who will actually fight for their communities, who will actually 0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:39.080 have a seat around the table, who can actually make 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:39.640 a difference. 0:19:40.240 --> 0:19:43.280 All right, James Patterson, really appreciate your time and insights 0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:46.199 as always. Thanks so much. And by the way, I've 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:48.480 got Roe Knox coming up on the show a bit later, 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:50.359 so we'll get back to that teal topic then. But 0:19:50.400 --> 0:19:52.200 now let's bring in farm a Speaker of the House, 0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:54.960 Bronwan Bishop and Sky News host Steve Price. Great to 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:59.840 see you both now. The Prime Minister snubbed Tania Plibsek 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:03.280 on Sunday, then yesterday he wouldn't even guarantee that she'd 0:20:03.280 --> 0:20:05.800 have a job after the election. Well today he was 0:20:05.880 --> 0:20:09.000 under pressure over this, over their relationship, and he finally 0:20:09.080 --> 0:20:12.800 said yes, she'll be in cabinet. It was a capitulation 0:20:12.880 --> 0:20:13.920 of salts. Have a look. 0:20:15.000 --> 0:20:17.600 I got the same answer yesterday that i'll give today, 0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:20.639 which is I expect Tenure Polibacy will be a senior 0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:24.399 cabinet minister. She's an important member of my team. 0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:29.320 Bronman Albanizy is no champion of women. He didn't want 0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:32.560 any investigation into the mean girls. He played a key 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:36.320 role in toppling Australia's first female prime minister, and now 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:39.080 he's treated Tanya Plibisec like this. It would be a 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:42.760 scandal if it was a coalition figure, you know, who 0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:46.000 had rebuffed a senior woman like that at a campaign launch. 0:20:46.280 --> 0:20:48.040 Absolutely, I was pretty fucked. 0:20:48.200 --> 0:20:48.960 I really was. 0:20:49.320 --> 0:20:52.920 Of course, that was no gentle pushback. It was very 0:20:52.920 --> 0:20:57.240 physical and it did show animosity. There's no two ways 0:20:57.280 --> 0:21:00.920 about it. And you're right about him being the key 0:21:01.000 --> 0:21:04.439 driver to get rid of Julia Getar. I distinctly remember 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:08.200 seeing him convening a group of people in a restaurant 0:21:08.440 --> 0:21:10.919 just before it all happened. They happened to be sitting 0:21:10.920 --> 0:21:13.880 down near the Ladies' Loo, so I went down to intervene. 0:21:15.160 --> 0:21:17.880 It was quite obvious with Dicky bee Kish, they had 0:21:17.880 --> 0:21:20.840 all their numbers around and they were busy plotting away. 0:21:21.320 --> 0:21:24.720 But it's not the only one. I mean, when Susan 0:21:24.800 --> 0:21:29.359 Lae was under attack in the Parliament, Albernezy was heard 0:21:29.359 --> 0:21:33.320 to say, smash her up. You know, it's not nice terminology, 0:21:33.359 --> 0:21:36.280 your words to that effect. But he pretends to be 0:21:36.320 --> 0:21:38.600