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Speaker 1: Now Frank Bangelo is on the line, the Liberal candidate

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Speaker 1: for the seat of Waite. Good evening, Frank, thanks for

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Speaker 2: And thank you Andrew.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you'd be happy to know almost six hundred trees

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Speaker 1: are going to be removed to You're not happy, but

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Speaker 1: that it's certainly a lot less than the number that

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Speaker 1: was initially predicted by yourself and the Liberal Party a

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, Andrew, I'm going to take credit for

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Speaker 2: saving five thousand trees because at the time, the government

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Speaker 2: on the golf course, and what I did and said

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Speaker 2: spook them. And I know from sources within government that

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Speaker 2: they scrambled to go back to the course designers to

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Speaker 2: not only that, I also saved Tom Kusy and turnus

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Speaker 2: as bacont because you might recall at the time he

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Speaker 2: said if five thousand trees go, I am going to quit.

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Speaker 1: I remember very well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, of course, and then today they make this announcement, oh,

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Speaker 2: to do that, they've obviously had to go back, redesign

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Speaker 2: championship course, as was outlined by a golfing design expert

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Speaker 2: the tree canopy on the northern on those northern park lands.

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Speaker 2: To achieve what they wanted to do, they had to

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Speaker 2: It was always going to involve the remover of a

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Speaker 2: lot of trees. And that's if you wanted a golf

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Speaker 2: course where preferreational golfers could hit the ball long distances,

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Speaker 2: and I think I mentioned this actually on your shot.

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Speaker 2: There could also be a cheaper and alternative, and that

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Speaker 2: long hitting players. And it seems to me that this

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Speaker 2: is where they have now gone. And they put out

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Speaker 2: they lied when Nick Champion claimed that it was liberal

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Speaker 2: built at Dry Creek.

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Speaker 1: That's rubbish. That's rubbish that you said. It was a

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Speaker 1: throwaway line that you said to me on my Sunday

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Speaker 2: So what happened, what happened today is quite clearly a

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Speaker 2: tree canopy in the Northern park Lands where the golf

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Speaker 2: the two golf courses are. It would have caused a

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Speaker 2: seed of Adelaide. So now they'd gone for a scale

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Speaker 2: down version. Now this has taken ten months to get

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Speaker 2: through my sources, that the initial plans would have been

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Speaker 2: what was initially planned, and I also see that the

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Speaker 2: cost the budget is now forty five million dollars. Well,

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Speaker 2: let me just say that the Premiere and the government

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Speaker 2: plans will have to be new clubrooms because the current

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Speaker 2: clubrooms at North Adelaid are just not suitable or acceptable

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Speaker 2: They will also need maintenance sheds, maintenance equipment, a lot

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Speaker 2: again their optics are bad. I can tell you from

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Speaker 1: Have you walked down Hot Street rate recently gone past

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, you see homeless people everywhere. I drove past. You

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Speaker 2: on a project that really isn't needed. I'm not against

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Speaker 2: lived great have it, I enjoy, but we've got other

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Speaker 2: golf courses here. Could have spent the money on, Frank,

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Speaker 1: There's another aspect of this that came up many months

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Speaker 2: Well? I think we will be hearing more about them

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Speaker 2: the government hasn't addressed. They need to be very careful

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Speaker 2: Now there's specialist equipment that you have to use for that.

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Speaker 2: government has obviously gone and said, oh, we need to

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Speaker 2: the fairways. They had to move it from the current

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Speaker 2: then after that if it's written in the contract, and

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Speaker 2: they'll tell us it's a cabinet and in confidence. But

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Speaker 2: an annual fee for that. Now, in Greg Norman's case,

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Speaker 2: that golf course to bear his name. Now, the government

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Speaker 2: hasn't come clean on that. We don't know that they'd

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Speaker 2: But this is apparently part of the course. Pardon the

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Speaker 2: I think it's important in a current climate of economic

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Speaker 2: put this bill. We should be told upfront what the

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Speaker 2: costs are. But they haven't done that. And all they've

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Speaker 2: done is they've come out today and I just you know,

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Speaker 2: they've rubbished my claims. Quite convenient for them to do that,

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Speaker 2: because you know they would have gone back and scrambled

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Speaker 2: fact that if you wanted to build a professional golf

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Speaker 2: So Andrew, I am actually going to take credit for

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Speaker 2: saving thousands of trees because I spook them. And also

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Speaker 2: I'll take credit for saving tom kots and turnuses. But

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Speaker 2: because if that had to be five thousand trees, well

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Speaker 2: then you know, he said he was going to quit.

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Speaker 2: But we still don't know how many trees are going

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Speaker 1: Frank, I've got a few ESA missis and messages coming in.

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Speaker 1: Caesar says, essay voice will be paid off to keep quiet.

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Speaker 1: Another one says live golf is only for the rich course,

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Speaker 1: not for average people. Now he says best golf course

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Speaker 1: Don't believe them.

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Speaker 2: And you know what, look, I do admire the premiers parochialism.

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Speaker 2: You know, he's a super salesman when it comes to

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Speaker 2: delusional snake oil in there sometimes and one of the

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Speaker 3: Are they boasting?

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Speaker 2: I mean, seriously, have they ever been to some of

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Speaker 2: of the best in the world.

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Speaker 1: Don't give him another excuse to go on another junket please.

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Speaker 3: Well look, let me tell you.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you where the best golf course in Australia

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Speaker 2: one hundred of golf courses in the world. It's the

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Speaker 2: one that's currently almost completed on Kangoro Island called the Clips. Now,

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Speaker 2: when that's finished next year, it will rank as probably

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Speaker 2: one of the most attractive golfing destinations anywhere on the planet.

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Speaker 2: That is a golf course, that is a championship golf course.

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Speaker 2: And look, I hope.

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Speaker 3: That one day the Premier and his government look at

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Speaker 3: holding live golf on Kangor Island because that is going

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Speaker 3: to be one of the most spectacular golf courses.

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Speaker 2: Imaginable and would look fantastic on television.

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Speaker 1: Well that may be the case, but travel to and

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Speaker 1: from is going to be difficult. Accommodation for those not

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Speaker 2: That that's going to be That would be a great yes.

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Speaker 1: Would you want to see all that development on Kangaroo Island.

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Speaker 2: Well, the golf courses are nearly finished and additional accommodation

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Speaker 2: and there isn't enough accommodation to meet the demand there.

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Speaker 2: Additional accommodation isn't going to harm the island. It will

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Speaker 2: there now.

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Speaker 1: But it will spoiled, it has spoiled the peacefulness, this

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Speaker 1: bring it, okay, Frank, I've got to message you from

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Speaker 1: Rees says, good spot for live golf. Let's rip up

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Speaker 1: Centennial Park cemetery and create a beautiful course there. And

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Speaker 1: he says, please note my sarcasm. That's reesa Berkenhead. Thank

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Speaker 2: Well, Ris's is right. In fact, that's what's happening at

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Speaker 1: Exactly right, Frank. Always good to talk.

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Speaker 2: To you, always good to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: If we don't, well, I reckon we might speak before.

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Speaker 1: But if we don't, marry Christmas to you in the family,

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Speaker 1: to your son, to congratulations to your son too.

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Speaker 2: Graduation very much, Andrew. We are very proud of him.

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Speaker 2: And let me say I was very proud of the

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Speaker 2: students from Funder's University that graduated yesterday. And I went

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Speaker 2: I tell you, the thing that really impressed and amazed me,

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Speaker 2: It was just incredible to see it and the looks

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Speaker 2: You know, there were families there from from Africa, the

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Speaker 2: and the you know, the looks of joy on their

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Speaker 2: faces to see their children progress to that point was great.

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Speaker 2: But thank you very much. I'll pass it on to Connor.

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Speaker 2: You know, he did a fantastic achievement in going through

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Speaker 2: We'll told he would never make it and would never

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Speaker 2: finish school. Yeah, really will Andrew, thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Frank.

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Speaker 2: I think I think we may well be speaking before Christmas.

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Speaker 2: There's a couple of things that are going to be

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Speaker 1: Look forward to hearing about it too. You take care

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Speaker 1: of Frankie. Thanks very much, Frank Pangelo, the liberal candidate

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Speaker 1: to the seed of Wade