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Speaker 1: What else would it be? Uh Anna from Ana Movement

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Speaker 1: six years? How how many times you reckon you've been

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Speaker 3: So when you said six years, my only references is

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Speaker 2: So yeah, maybe a couple of times are here?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, probably a dozen or so. Anyway, enough of that.

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Speaker 1: People don't need the fucking typ stats. Nobody's tuning in

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Speaker 3: Are you?

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Speaker 1: How are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm good? Thank you?

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Speaker 1: Now, I've never asked you this. Maybe i've asked you this,

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Speaker 3: So as I understand it, my mother liked the pronunciation

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Speaker 2: So she changed it to you double na and then yeah. Now,

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Speaker 2: How to pronounce my name.

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Speaker 3: So he's he says, say under and then they say

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Speaker 1: Known you for twenty five years, of course I don't

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Speaker 3: particular pace. And I think that's what you gain as

435
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Speaker 3: you get it you mature as a clinician. Is that's

436
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Speaker 3: something that I now know even greater about the physiology

437
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,360
Speaker 3: is with my skill set and what you're presenting with.

438
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Speaker 3: I don't think we can get to where you want

439
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Speaker 3: to be without the inclusion of either this or this

440
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Speaker 3: or starting somewhere else which doesn't fit into my skill set,

441
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Speaker 3: and that being the trust piece for people as well,

442
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Speaker 3: is that we're not, as you say here doing transaction

443
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Speaker 3: that is just me trying to create a transaction.

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Speaker 2: It's a trust kind.

445
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Speaker 3: Of situation as well, and it's also a if it's

446
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 3: done well, it's a partnership. So this is your responsibility

447
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 3: for the next two weeks. This is what I'm going

448
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 3: to do in the background for the next two weeks.

449
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 3: When we get back here. If everything's gone well and

450
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Speaker 3: I've done my job well with your behavior change stuff,

451
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Speaker 3: and we've hit the mark, then in two weeks, this

452
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 3: is what we expect to have happened. And you know

453
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,360
Speaker 3: who either come back and life's done something weird or

454
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Speaker 3: it hasn't been quite the right recipe, but they've figured

455
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Speaker 3: out something else that got in the way that they

456
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Speaker 3: just had never a thought of.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's pull that apart. So it's yeah.

458
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Speaker 3: I think it's this beautiful layering is as you get

459
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Speaker 3: better at just being more human about the experience, you

460
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Speaker 3: don't feel the need to be right about everything.

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Speaker 1: How much When you are in a meeting with somebody

462
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Speaker 1: for maybe the first time, obviously there's all the clinical

463
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Speaker 1: stuff and the assessment stuff and the science stuff. There's that,

464
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: and then there's the intuition. Then there's the instinct. Then

465
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Speaker 1: there's that I just have a vibe. How much do

466
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Speaker 1: you allow yourself to open the I have a vibe

467
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Speaker 1: door and ask a question which may not even seem

468
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 1: like some people would go, why the fuck? Did what? What?

469
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Speaker 1: Why are you asking that? Because I feel like when

470
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Speaker 1: you have enough runs on the board or enough miles

471
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Speaker 1: on the metaphoric clock, there's shit that you know about people.

472
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Speaker 1: Sometimes you don't always get it right. I don't always

473
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Speaker 1: get it right, but often intuitively or instinctively, before they've

474
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Speaker 1: even presented with anything or said anything, you know that

475
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 1: you you know like, how how wide do you open

476
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: that door? If at all?

477
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Speaker 2: Yeah?

478
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Speaker 3: I do I open that door because I usually, particularly

479
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 3: when I feel like it's going to be helpful for

480
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Speaker 3: the person, whether it's me the one that's delivering the

481
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 3: end outcome or otherwise, I'm always checking is this a

482
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,719
Speaker 3: question to bolster my ego? Or is this a question

483
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 3: that's helpful for this person on their journey. So it's

484
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 3: like just that little click of is this for me?

485
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 3: Or is this question helpful for our experience together and

486
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 3: where they say that they want to be, So it's

487
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 3: always that little bit of a question happening in the background.

488
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Speaker 3: I also think of it as like square wheels and

489
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 3: round wheels, Like when you start and you're younger, you're

490
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 3: on the square wheel and everything's a little bit clunky,

491
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 3: and you haven't even figured out how to ask that

492
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 3: type of question particularly well, So you're more nervous about

493
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Speaker 3: how you're going to present to them, even if you

494
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Speaker 3: had the thought, often because you're so preocer pied with

495
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 3: you know, getting everything done in the right time and

496
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Speaker 3: feeling like you've done a good job that and will

497
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Speaker 3: they come back and all those kind of very I'm

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Speaker 3: going to air quotes immature kind of it's not that

499
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Speaker 3: they're immature, but these are. This is the experience of

500
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Speaker 3: the clinician as they start then slowly to round out

501
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 3: the wheels, to feel stronger in asking some of those

502
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Speaker 3: intuitive questions, because you're ultimately dealing with a human, not

503
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 3: a pathology, and you know, what's the sense of why

504
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 3: these symptoms are persisting? And what's your sense asking even

505
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 3: asking them, what's your sense of why this has become

506
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 3: really difficult in the last six months that you know,

507
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 3: being able to ask those really reflective questions more so.

508
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Speaker 3: And I think at this point I'm just better at

509
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 3: putting my values forward in a way that makes it

510
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Speaker 3: feel like a safe question. The example that pops up

511
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Speaker 3: for me was someone that was an ultra runner, and

512
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Speaker 3: there's a reasonable amount of data in ultra runners that

513
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Speaker 3: it's a choice of exercise that often gets chosen by

514
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Speaker 3: people who have had trauma in their life.

515
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Speaker 2: And there was no.

516
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Speaker 3: Sort of particular reason in the kind of scope of

517
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Speaker 3: the story and the way we were talking about it,

518
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 3: and so it was something, Okay, I feel like this

519
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 3: is a reasonable and helpful question for me to ask

520
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Speaker 3: and lay it out in a way that feels respectful

521
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Speaker 3: and a way that is demonstrating my values and what

522
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Speaker 3: we're trying to achieve together and lay that question for

523
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Speaker 3: to say, this is something, this is data that pops

524
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Speaker 3: up and is that something that rings true to your story?

525
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Speaker 3: Do you feel comfortable discussing that with me? And then

526
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Speaker 3: that door either opens or it doesn't. And I think

527
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Speaker 3: the coolest thing I've listened to lately was this the

528
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Speaker 3: idea that.

529
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Speaker 2: A coach that's able to ask a question that might.

530
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Speaker 3: That might end up in someone being offended and not

531
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Speaker 3: willing to stay and continue the conversation. Is often a

532
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Speaker 3: coach that's willing to pursue your greatest potential.

533
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Speaker 2: So I'm not as worried about if you're.

534
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Speaker 3: Going to be offended more that I've done it in

535
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Speaker 3: a respectful way because I'm willing to push you to

536
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Speaker 3: a level that's a little bit closer to the potential

537
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 3: that you're trying to achieve. I'm not going to sugarcoat

538
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 3: it and just you know, blow smoke to make it

539
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 3: feel like you're going in the right direction, when maybe

540
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 3: a trickier question or challenging something is going to be

541
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Speaker 3: a more effective way of slightly shifting the boat that

542
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 3: one degree and getting you you want to be and

543
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 3: risking that you might go, actually, no, I you know,

544
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Speaker 3: I don't like that question at all, or I'm offended

545
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 3: by that question, and you know that's the end of

546
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 3: the relationship. But yeah, always having that concept in the

547
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 3: back of the mind that am I doing this for

548
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 3: their betterments or is this just an ego based question?

549
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Speaker 1: I love it. That's so smart. I love that, And

550
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: I think also in the same kind of vain I

551
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: say to people, I'm not interested in making you feel

552
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: good for the next three minutes. I'm interested in helping

553
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: you over the next three decades, whether or not I'm

554
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: involved for a week or a month or a year,

555
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: Like you know whether or not your nose is in

556
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: joint or out of joint for the next three minutes.

557
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: In a loving, caring way, I give zero fus. Right,

558
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean I don't care about you. In fact,

559
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: I really care about you. I care so much that

560
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: I want to be the person that helps you coaches, supports,

561
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: encourages you for as long as you want or don't want,

562
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: but to become independently strong, resourceful, self sustaining so you

563
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: don't need me, so you don't need an EP or

564
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: an exercise scientist or a coach or you know, I

565
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: think that, and I think, Look, obviously everybody doesn't resonate

566
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: with me or you, right, and not everybody will resonate

567
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: with this conversation. But you know, for me, it's that

568
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: idea of an unreasonable friend, like someone will tell you

569
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: what is what they believe, someone who actually genuinely cares

570
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: about you. They want you to succeed it's not a

571
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: strategic relationship. Yeah, maybe there's money changing hands, but they

572
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: still actually want you to do well. I used to

573
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: say to my clients, my goal is to get you

574
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Speaker 1: as self sustaining and independent as quickly as possible, and

575
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: then fuck you off, right, I don't want you. I

576
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: want you not to need me. And if I want

577
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: you to be dependent on me, I'm the worst coach

578
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: in the world. But that's some people's model is to

579
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 1: make people dependent on them. Well, that's just a dealer.

580
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,879
Speaker 1: That's just somebody creating a bunch of addicts. Like I

581
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 1: want people to not need me. And if they chime

582
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: in and listen to the show for a bit of

583
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: an update or a bit of a kick in the ass,

584
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: or you know, some amusement or entertainment because they're meeting

585
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 1: you today or whatever, great, I mean, listen to all

586
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: the shows. But I'm not saying you know as you

587
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: say as well, you know I'm not the answer. I'm

588
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: a tool. A tool. A lot of people say that, Yeah,

589
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: that was a faux pat but truth. But I'm a resource.

590
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: But that you know, like sometimes helping people or sometimes

591
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 1: even being loving doesn't feel very loving in the moment.

592
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Speaker 1: But I think if people genuinely understand firstly, if you

593
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: are coming from a good place, let's just hope that's

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Speaker 1: the case. But then they understand that, you know. And

595
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Speaker 1: I've had people in my life. I had a guy

596
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: in my early days and then I'll shut up. I

597
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: had a guy called David Panther, who was one of

598
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Speaker 1: my first clients. I don't even know if David Panther

599
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: is still alive. I haven't seen him for thirty years, right,

600
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: But anyway, he owned a bunch of like you know,

601
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: the two dollar shops right yep or whatever they are,

602
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 1: those like where you're going and you buy, Oh look,

603
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: I just bought a fucking an astray that lights up

604
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: for a three dollars fifty awesome? Who has astrays? Right?

605
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: Or I just bought prescription and glasses for two dollars

606
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: or not prescription, but you know, reading God, all that

607
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Anyway, I used to train him at

608
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: stupid o'clock. I literally used to train him at four

609
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: o'clock or four thirty three days a week. Anyway, that's

610
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: another story. But I was always he was very you know,

611
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Speaker 1: relative to me. He was the richest man in the world.

612
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 1: I was just I was driving an Orange Cortina station wagon.

613
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: I had four dollars in the bank. I was still

614
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: working in pubs at night, you know, getting punched in

615
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: the face for twelve dollars an hour and all that. Right,

616
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: So I hadn't actually hit the big time, not that

617
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: I ever had. But I used to look up to him,

618
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: and I was somewhat because he was so confident, so successful,

619
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Speaker 1: so wealthy. I'd almost second guess myself around him when

620
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Speaker 1: I was training him. And one day he goes to me,

621
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Speaker 1: he goes, listen to me. Because he was about forty

622
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Speaker 1: and I was twenty two or something. He goes, in

623
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Speaker 1: this environment, he goes, you're the expert. He goes, you're

624
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Speaker 1: the boss. He goes, I know you're twenty two. Maybe

625
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: I was twenty three, so maybe had five years of

626
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: experience in a gym. Still knew fuck all right, But

627
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: compared to him, I knew a lot. And he's like,

628
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 1: stop second guessing yourself. Tell me what to do, don't

629
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Speaker 1: ask me, just fucking tell me what to do. Be assertive,

630
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: and I will do. He goes, but when you look

631
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: like you're not sure or your second guessing or you're

632
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: lacking confidence, it makes it worse for me. And it

633
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: was like the best conversation anyone could have, and I

634
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: went oh oh, and I went cool, and that kind

635
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 1: of that was one of many moments on my journey

636
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: where somebody gave me advice, perspective, insight that in that

637
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: moment I really needed because I was just racked with

638
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: self doubt and if I was around anyone that I

639
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 1: thought was smarter than me, which was pretty much everyone,

640
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: you know, I basically fucking self sabotaged. But those people

641
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: are like angels along our journey.

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Speaker 3: I think, yeah, clear, to be kind, I've got heaps

643
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 3: of little nuggets like that. You've delivered two of mine

644
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 3: in that way in my life. But it's like it's

645
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 3: this slow kind of transaction from someone having needing this

646
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 3: external locus of control feedback from outside versus internal locus

647
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 3: of control. And like you said, there was a it

648
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,919
Speaker 3: feels it feels like a good example. The other day,

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Speaker 3: one of my clients who will kind of pop in

650
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 3: and out every now and then contacted me and said, oh,

651
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 3: I need to book an appointment thinking about this, and

652
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 3: da da da da da, and then they booked the appointment,

653
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 3: and then like a day later they text and went, actually,

654
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 3: I canceled it.

655
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 2: I'm overthinking it. You've taught me all this stuff before.

656
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 2: I don't need it.

657
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 3: I'm just going to trust my decision. And that was

658
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 3: like perfect, Yeah.

659
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: Can you send me the cash anyway, this is an

660
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: ongoing this is like a retainer situation.

661
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 3: Now you still got my benefit from that, so pay up.

662
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: But yeah, was what was a when did I give

663
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:03,479
Speaker 1: you some tough love?

664
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 3: There's been too I can't remember the context of the

665
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 3: first one, but I clearly remember the language.

666
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 2: I can probably make up the context.

667
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:19,399
Speaker 3: The context would have been me in like when we're

668
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 3: at UNI, I would say, probably to the end of it,

669
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 3: and you had seen potential in me and great promise

670
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 3: and all that kind of stuff, and you throw me

671
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 3: some bones. But in the background, I was a wildly

672
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 3: insecure human, pretty unwell, mentally unwell, and you know, I

673
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 3: was also just finding my social freedom as well, so

674
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 3: I was pretty pierced. A lot of the time. I was,

675
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 3: you know, out trying to gain confidence myself through socializing

676
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:50,760
Speaker 3: and all that kind of stuff.

677
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: We just poured out to the audience that when So

678
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: this was back when I did my first degree and

679
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,760
Speaker 1: before Anna did her master's, so this was undergraduate excise science.

680
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: But I started my first year I was thirty six,

681
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 1: and your first year you were eighteen or nineteen.

682
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,919
Speaker 3: I turned eighteen in the first year. I was young,

683
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 3: and I'd done another I'd started another thing before, so

684
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,919
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure I was eighteen in that first year.

685
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 1: So I was literally I could have been your dad,

686
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: but would have been touching. But I was like, thirty six,

687
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: you were eighteen.

688
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 2: So young, col dad.

689
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 1: Wow, I was probably terrifying, was I.

690
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, I was intimidated by you. I was intimidated

691
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 3: by you for sure, absolutely. And you'd come in and

692
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 3: you'd say stuff which made me feel really awkward because

693
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 3: I was quite approved, Like you talk about going to

694
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 3: the toilet and stuff, and I.

695
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: Was like, we didn't. That doesn't seem like me.

696
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 3: And this was to me talking about bodies in my

697
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 3: home environment wasn't like that was like, you keep that

698
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 3: very private. So it was all these exposures that you

699
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 3: gave me that we're like whoa so an awkward laughter,

700
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 3: and but that I.

701
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: Would describe the ship that I just had having a coffee,

702
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 1: Well we'd be at the.

703
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 3: Start that I can clearly remember being in the kind

704
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 3: of canteen area and it'd becoming close to needing to

705
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 3: go off to a lecture or whatever, and you'd be like, oh,

706
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:22,720
Speaker 3: I just got to drop the kids off at the pool.

707
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 2: And initially I didn't even know what that phrase meant.

708
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 3: And then I slowly like, because I was very green,

709
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 3: I was a very green human, and you'd clearly done

710
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 3: the rounds on life and like you're welcoming talking about

711
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 3: going to do a pooh was just like, oh my god,

712
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 3: did he just say that?

713
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: Like yeah, anyway, well, you probably hadn't started pooing at

714
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: that stage, so it was probably a foreign concept because

715
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: we know that women don't.

716
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 3: Shit, No, we don't smell, we don't shit, and we

717
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 3: definitely don't do it in public places.

718
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 1: So I definitely talk about it.

719
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 3: No, And it was a big awakening for me, which

720
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 3: I'm so thankful for now. Like I'm still a bit

721
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 3: of a proved but I'm a lot like for the

722
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 3: services of helping people. I get over my prood to this.

723
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,760
Speaker 3: But the first thing at that stage, you know, socializing,

724
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 3: you know, a bit too hungover and drunk most of

725
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 3: the time, and you must have given me an opportunity

726
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 3: or whatever happened, and your feedback to me was you're unreliable,

727
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 3: and that stopped me in my tracks because I was

728
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 3: not at all proud of that. But you didn't. But

729
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 3: the point being is you didn't give up on me.

730
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 3: You said, here, you need to know this. We are okay,

731
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 3: but this is going to make a difference. And I

732
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 3: just was like, oh shit, okay, I can't fuck up

733
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 3: like that again. That is not what I want from

734
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 3: this and I need to straighten up. And then I

735
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 3: also also suffer from something I think I'm getting better

736
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:57,240
Speaker 3: I'm better from. Is I have what I call resting

737
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 3: think face.

738
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: So when I'm freed, resting think face.

739
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 3: Resting think face, I do you know what the rest

740
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 3: of the world calls it, right, I also have think

741
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 3: resting bitch face as well, but it's I'm coming to

742
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 3: terms with that as well. I'm not like if for

743
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 3: people that I'm interested in what my face does, I

744
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 3: do better otherwise I'm just cruising around. But resting think

745
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 3: face is that if you're saying something to me and

746
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 3: I'm wanting to process it, and there's other like other

747
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 3: bits of information coming in from the background and all

748
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 3: of it, like there's processes going on. My face does

749
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:43,919
Speaker 3: a thing where I don't look inviting. I just kind

750
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,280
Speaker 3: of go blank. I guess my face kind of goes blank. Anyway,

751
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 3: Zoom zoom platforms have helped because now I can see

752
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 3: myself and go, oh, my face is doing that thing

753
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 3: that makes other people feel uncomfortable where they think I'm

754
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 3: not in. Well, so now you know, the blessing of

755
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 3: zoom is I get to see my face and go, Okay,

756
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, but I've got a nuts face on it.

757
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 2: I'm inviting.

758
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 1: I get that too. I get I think I have

759
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: whatever the boy well, you know, resting bitch face. You know,

760
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: it's like where people think I'm mad or I'm mad

761
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 1: at them because I'm just I'm looking with this expressionless face,

762
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: but I'm intently listening. Yes, yes, Like what's in my

763
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:33,280
Speaker 1: head is, oh wow, this is interesting. I'm engaged keep talking,

764
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: But what they're seeing is I fucking hate you.

765
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, when are you going to stop talking?

766
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it's so funny that you don't. Yeah. That

767
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: actually is a really good point that zoom has somewhat

768
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: changed that, because I mean, I never did skype, and

769
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 1: so to be able to see albeit not that it's

770
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: my favorite thing to look at is my head, but

771
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: to be able to see my head kind of next

772
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 1: to your head if I look over there and realize it.

773
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: To have a I mean talk about you know, like

774
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: self awareness, social awareness, you know, metabception is to be

775
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:18,240
Speaker 1: able to see yourself in real time talking that's actually

776
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: a social advantage.

777
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and to be able to kind of utilize it.

778
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 3: And in the other way when your people appear disengaged, Okay,

779
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 3: what have I got to do to swing this back around?

780
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 3: And yeah, have that ability to go, oh, actually no,

781
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 3: your face is not stepping up like you said before,

782
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 3: like I've got to because if my face is smiling,

783
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 3: my voice is smiling as well, like you said before.

784
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 3: Where sometimes you've got to lift your own energy. And

785
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 3: that's actually an advantage, an advantage, and the deeper that

786
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,959
Speaker 3: we go into our thoughts are often our face does

787
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 3: that as well. It happens in clinic too. When people

788
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 3: are thinking about moving, their brain will be processing so

789
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 3: often their neck and shoulders stop moving and it's like, Okay,

790
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 3: you're thinking about the movement too much.

791
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 2: Now, can you just let it.

792
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 3: Let it be because your head's meant to be doing

793
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 3: something as well now and you just we end up

794
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 3: freezing a little bit. So those were or two bits

795
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 3: of feedback.

796
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: I apologize for being terrifying, but I hope my I

797
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: hope the outcome was positive not negative.

798
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I think we can conclude that. We can

799
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:35,399
Speaker 3: conclude that.

800
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: Well, despite me, you're doing very well. How can people

801
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 1: connect with you? So you're available for one on one stuff,

802
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: You're available for corporate work, for speaking, for clinical stuff.

803
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:54,240
Speaker 1: Am I correct in everything I'm saying? How can people

804
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: connect with you? Find you, follow you.

805
00:46:58,040 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 2: Connect directly?

806
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 3: Would be jump on my website and there's a there's

807
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 3: a little contact me page where you can send over

808
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 3: your thoughts and ideas or things that you have a

809
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,760
Speaker 3: burning question about. So that's on a movement dot com.

810
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 3: And then there's social media where also you challenged me.

811
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 3: I don't I actually counted it. A little while back.

812
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 3: You challenged me to do one hundred two camera facing posts.

813
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 3: And I'll just let you know I've achieved that. I

814
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 3: don't know how long it took me, but done that.

815
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 3: So you can go and see my little two camera

816
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 3: Instagram thoughts and processes that have popped up at unadt

817
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 3: movement on Instagram, and they're similar on LinkedIn and those

818
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 3: types of things as well.

819
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: Yeah awesome. And if all of that you forget, just

820
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: send an email to me by my site and will

821
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 1: hook you up. Thank you. You're quite good at that,

822
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 1: quite good. You know, you're quite good value and you

823
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: Nobody needs to know this, but we'll tell them. You

824
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: stepped in it late. Now, somebody pulled a hamstring and

825
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 1: I rang you and I went fucking hell, we're gonna

826
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: have to put you in the game, and you went all.

827
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 2: So thanks all the opportunities. Yeah, no, thanks, appreciate it.

828
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 1: Thanks lovely. We'll talk to you off here, but for

829
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 1: the moment, thanks for that.

830
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 2: Thanks, Thanks everyone,