Speaker 1: From the skying in Center. This is Paul Murray life.
Speaker 1: You know, man, what is it? Monday, August twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: And I say this with pride, but I think I've
Speaker 2: officially become my dad. Now I'm only forty six, but
Speaker 2: I've now hit that moment where.
Speaker 1: I'm cold all the time.
Speaker 2: I was used to roll my eyes a little bit
Speaker 2: when Dad was like, Jesus, cold, isn't a cold? Isn't
Speaker 2: a mate cold? I'm that guy this winter.
Speaker 3: I know I've had an arctic blast here, there and everywhere,
Speaker 3: but I'm wrapped up layer upon layer and I'm still cold.
Speaker 2: So I've officially joined the club anyway, hopefully for the
Speaker 2: next forty six years. Good luck with my eating well,
Speaker 2: I will find a way to get warm. But one
Speaker 2: of the ways, of course, is to bask in the
Speaker 2: awesomeness of Queen's Land. Now, as you know, I was
Speaker 2: not born in the state, but I consider myself spiritually
Speaker 2: a Queenslander. You know how much I love going on
Speaker 2: holidays there, the good people that are there, the hope
Speaker 2: and possibility of getting rid of a bad government.
Speaker 1: Well, of course, in Australia we always have these little
Speaker 1: fights about you know which is best?
Speaker 2: Is it Sydney with its emerald city and beautiful harbor?
Speaker 2: Is it Melbourne the most livable city according to five
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty eight.
Speaker 1: Surveys in a row?
Speaker 2: Is a beautiful bris Vegas the host of the Olympic
Speaker 2: Games in two thousand and thirty two.
Speaker 1: Who knows? But of course right now the.
Speaker 2: Joy of Queensland is being spread worldwide via the events
Speaker 2: that are taking place in Paris.
Speaker 1: Of course, Australia doing incredibly well on that medal tally.
Speaker 2: Remember our officials said they didn't want to tell us
Speaker 2: how many medals they think we'd win.
Speaker 1: We obviously I'm involved.
Speaker 2: We have won thirty one twelve of them a gold
Speaker 2: doing pretty well, doing better than places like Korea which
Speaker 2: are nailing it in sports like archery. Wow, that men's
Speaker 2: final was unbelievable last night. But let's focus in on
Speaker 2: Queensland because I've got to say well done to Chris
Speaker 2: Jones and all of the people of the corea are
Speaker 2: because they found a way to Queensland a fire Smpics
Speaker 2: that are taking place in Paris right now. They have
Speaker 2: worked out the Queensland and athletes from Queensland have taken
Speaker 2: half more than half of.
Speaker 1: Australia's gold medals.
Speaker 2: In fact, if the Sunshine Sunshine State was a nation
Speaker 2: as of Sunday, I would have tied with Japan for
Speaker 2: seventh place on the middle Talley. Not all of Australia,
Speaker 2: but beautiful Queensland with eight golds, but be ahead of
Speaker 2: countries like Canada. Now this may be according to some economists,
Speaker 2: but it's according to your heart where you know. Queensland's
Speaker 2: nailing it at the Olympics. Queensland has also guarned five
Speaker 2: silver and two bronze. Fifteen medals for beautiful Queensland. Oh
Speaker 2: those blood transfusions. I need to become one to be
Speaker 2: equally proud. But the good people of the quartery male
Speaker 2: laying it on with a trowel. They continue one point
Speaker 2: three medias residents seven gold medals. Brisbane is second.
Speaker 4: Per capita on the middle tally, with a gold for
Speaker 4: every one hundred and eighty nine thousand residents. The Caribbean
Speaker 4: island of Saint Lucia is the only place doing better.
Speaker 1: So queens Australia might be running in the.
Speaker 2: Top five at fourth, Queensland is running second.
Speaker 1: Getting ready for Olympics, eight years from now.
Speaker 2: As for those wonderful Queenslanders that have been winning their
Speaker 2: gold medals, many of them coming from the pool, all
Speaker 2: of them of course taking strength from the beautiful sun
Speaker 2: that exists north of the tweed.
Speaker 1: As soon as you hit cool and gatter against golder
Speaker 1: and golder, the more you go.
Speaker 2: And that incredible performance of course in the BMX, which
Speaker 2: is so cool that the story of that lady unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Hopefully we get a.
Speaker 2: Chance to talk to her when we're allowed to, and
Speaker 2: channel Line doesn't own everything what she was able to do,
Speaker 2: incredible getting over the incredible difficulties that she's had her
Speaker 2: brother as well. But most importantly before I get to
Speaker 2: all the other depressing stuff that's around today, and there's
Speaker 2: a bit do Queensland.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: As you know, you who have been told many many
Speaker 2: times by people in the United States, people who said
Speaker 2: that Joe Biden was completely smart and up to it,
Speaker 2: that their economy is amazing.
Speaker 5: We've created more jobs, We've may run a situation where
Speaker 5: people have access to good paying jobs. This last week
Speaker 5: we saw the biggest jump in thirty years. And how
Speaker 5: positive consumers are feeling about the economy, the unemployment rate
Speaker 5: fell to three point four percent.
Speaker 1: That's the lowest in fifty four years.
Speaker 6: We came in office, and we knew because we.
Speaker 7: Are of and care about the people as opposed to
Speaker 7: the richest billionaires, which is who the former president gave
Speaker 7: a tax cut to and then created one of the
Speaker 7: largest deficits our country has ever seen.
Speaker 1: Expect that for four more years.
Speaker 2: Well, by the way, I'm not entirely sure he'specsal to
Speaker 2: do this when you're public speaking, but whatever, Joe deserves
Speaker 2: a spot on Mount Rushmore. Now, this is not about
Speaker 2: American politics. It's about the global economy and its effects
Speaker 2: on the Australian economy because anyone who watches the share
Speaker 2: market knows there was a massive effect on the mean
Speaker 2: suggestion that the the United States, despite all appearances, is
Speaker 2: actually heading towards a recession.
Speaker 1: One that they would hit in and around election day.
Speaker 2: Now this matters because literally today the media, well it
Speaker 2: hair was on fire because they're heading for a recession.
Speaker 1: For fears of a recession in the US.
Speaker 8: With fears the US is headed for recession, there's concerned
Speaker 8: things could get worse before they get better.
Speaker 3: Traders are reacting to fears there could be a recession
Speaker 3: in the US.
Speaker 2: So, yes, stock markets go up, they go down. Over
Speaker 2: the long period of time, they generally go up. But
Speaker 2: I am a financial planner and seek your individual advice
Speaker 2: or whatever. The thing I legally have to say is,
Speaker 2: but guess how much money was wiped off the Australian
Speaker 2: stock exchange today on the fears of a recession.
Speaker 1: In the United States.
Speaker 2: Not five, not ten, not fifty, not seventy five, but
Speaker 2: one hundred, one hundred b four billion dollars. It's more
Speaker 2: than that over the past couple of days. And there
Speaker 2: are huge problems ross green we can explain.
Speaker 1: It better than me.
Speaker 9: One hundred billion dollars or so I've been wiped from
Speaker 9: the value of the Australian stock market.
Speaker 2: And also the issues exist around the world. It isn't
Speaker 2: just Australia and time zones. This problem, which normally can
Speaker 2: say start in the United States and take its way
Speaker 2: around for twenty four hours, well it's going global financial times.
Speaker 2: Global share markets are tumbling. Al Jazeera says that Japan's
Speaker 2: Nikeye has slumped the worst it's been since nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 2: Today's stock exchange, by the way, for was the worst
Speaker 2: since the pandemic. London has gone down by more than
Speaker 2: eight percent. European market's down by two and a half percent,
Speaker 2: Banks in particular coppying a whack. Now, all of this
Speaker 2: matters because, of course, all of your money, or a
Speaker 2: big chunk of our moneys are linked in what happens
Speaker 2: on the stock market with compulsitive superannuation. Part or all
Speaker 2: of it, whether you're paying attention to it or not,
Speaker 2: ends up being exposed to the stock market.
Speaker 1: So if you're planning to.
Speaker 2: Retire in the next couple of weeks, this might be difficult.
Speaker 2: If it's this year, it may be particularly difficult. It
Speaker 2: doesn't matter in say, twenty years time. But we keep
Speaker 2: being told how amazing and resilient and incredibly the American
Speaker 2: economy is a little bit like we keep being told here,
Speaker 2: So why is the recession talk taking place ross this report?
Speaker 1: Right here?
Speaker 9: The US Employment report was released Friday night, our time.
Speaker 9: So the US unemployment rate it jumped to four point
Speaker 9: three percent from four point one percent previously. The number
Speaker 9: of unemployed people in America jump by three hundred and
Speaker 9: fifty two thousand people to seven point two million. Now,
Speaker 9: this was way outside any of the estimates. It's spooped
Speaker 9: the markets big time.
Speaker 2: Now this is a reminder about what is on the
Speaker 2: line in November why it matters to us here in Australia.
Speaker 2: The conversation about the horse race and the latest this
Speaker 2: and that may bore you, but the consequences of whom
Speaker 2: is in charge of the American economy matters to anyone
Speaker 2: who gets to watch this in the United States on YouTube.
Speaker 2: I have one question for you, who do you want
Speaker 2: running your economy? A billionaire who did incredibly well in
Speaker 2: his private wealth, but more importantly, was able to put
Speaker 2: the country in a place where not just the country
Speaker 2: was doing better, but individuals were doing better. Or the
Speaker 2: vice president who says she has nothing to do with
Speaker 2: the decisions of the current president, even though she should
Speaker 2: be qualified to be the president because she's been the
Speaker 2: vice president. Oh yeah, and she knows stuff like inflation.
Speaker 7: Bread costs more, the gas costs more, and we have
Speaker 7: to understand what that means. That's about the cost of
Speaker 7: living going up. That's about having to stress and stretch
Speaker 7: limited resources. That's about a source of stress for families
Speaker 7: that is not only economic, but is on a daily level,
Speaker 7: something that is a heavyweight to carry.
Speaker 2: That person in charge of the American and thus global
Speaker 2: economy for the next four years. Well, the final bit
Speaker 2: of data I have for you is she is currently leading.
Speaker 2: She is currently winning. Harris is now favored to get
Speaker 2: the popular vote and to get the electoral College. Why
Speaker 2: because Pennsylvania is starting to move in her direction. If
Speaker 2: that's the case, good luck. It's going to be fun
Speaker 2: ride when it comes to the economy. Oh but Donald
Speaker 2: Trump says mean things. I'll take that over what might
Speaker 2: be coming any day.
Speaker 1: Now. Of course, the world has changed a lot over
Speaker 1: the years.
Speaker 2: It feels like it changes twenty years every two years.
Speaker 2: And it's a long time ago when people were gathered
Speaker 2: around the radio for the latest bit of information. I
Speaker 2: do like them deliberately. Not only did we pick the
Speaker 2: black and white photo, but we tried to find the
Speaker 2: oldest people possible sitting around a radio a long time ago. Anyway,
Speaker 2: that's from the National Museum. But of course, nowadays, plenty
Speaker 2: of people getting their information in lots of different ways,
Speaker 2: and lots of different ways. You may will be watching
Speaker 2: this program, and of course many people do so via
Speaker 2: their mobile phone. Speaking of did you know that Sky
Speaker 2: News is a brand new app. In fact, it's available
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Speaker 2: you can stream whatever you want when it comes to
Speaker 2: the Sky News programming.
Speaker 1: Sorry back to the point, but of course.
Speaker 2: We know that one of the biggest things that people
Speaker 2: are doing with their phones is interacting on some level
Speaker 2: with social media or with big tech companies. Now when
Speaker 2: it comes to Facebook, their parent company is Meta, and
Speaker 2: we know their attitude when it comes to Australia and
Speaker 2: paying for Australian news, they of course are planning to
Speaker 2: potentially block Australians from being able to have news on
Speaker 2: the platform. The federal government is talking about potentially censoring
Speaker 2: the Internet about what type of news that you can
Speaker 2: see on places like Facebook, but you know nothing to
Speaker 2: see here. Meantime, of course, we remember that before the
Speaker 2: twenty twenty election, there was apparently a story which may
Speaker 2: well have shifted about two three percent of people's votes
Speaker 2: that would have been enough to get a different result,
Speaker 2: and that of course was the Hunter Biden laptop.
Speaker 1: Paul, this is old news. Why do you talk about it?
Speaker 2: Because it doesn't matter what happens after they've blocked it.
Speaker 2: It's their power to do things in the moment. It
Speaker 2: doesn't matter who apologizes in two, three, four, six months
Speaker 2: or a year's time. But of course, if you are
Speaker 2: blocked about the information that you are able to see,
Speaker 2: then it may well end up influencing your perception of
Speaker 2: the world around you. Now, of course, Zuckerbird said that
Speaker 2: it was nothing political as to why the Hunt laptop
Speaker 2: was banned from Facebook or from Twitter, platform he does
Speaker 2: not own.
Speaker 1: But you get my point. Remember he told Joe Rogan.
Speaker 2: That it was the FBI, the FBI who told him
Speaker 2: to do it. So of course if the FBI says it,
Speaker 2: it must be true. The intelligence agencies never get it wrong.
Speaker 2: We'll never try to get a political out come, do they.
Speaker 2: And then, of course the laptop was always true. Miranda
Speaker 2: Devines reporting on it was excellent. It was a disgrace
Speaker 2: that it was hidden the way that it was, the
Speaker 2: fact that the media didn't even talk about the hiding
Speaker 2: because of course, all of it led to a potential
Speaker 2: negative story for the person they were trying to get
Speaker 2: up over the basement.
Speaker 1: You get my point here, But.
Speaker 2: Guess what was used in the criminal trial against Hunter
Speaker 2: Biden when it came to his applying for a gun license.
Speaker 2: Something eventually found was found guilty of the laptop. So
Speaker 2: we knew the laptop was real in twenty and twenty.
Speaker 2: We knew it in twenty one, they admitted it in
Speaker 2: twenty two, twenty three, they used it in evidence in
Speaker 2: twenty four. But again, the control of these mass platforms
Speaker 2: is playing out in this American election, and there is
Speaker 2: a connection to the Australian election. Again, two things can
Speaker 2: be true at the same time. This iconic photo of
Speaker 2: Donald Trump after being shot at is something that will
Speaker 2: forever live as a moment of defiance from a man
Speaker 2: who was at least a one term, potentially two term president.
Speaker 2: But in the past week or so, that very image
Speaker 2: has been in part censored or community noted or downplayed
Speaker 2: in Google or Facebook. Why, oh, of course, we just
Speaker 2: made a mistake. I know it had nothing to do
Speaker 2: with the fact that his poll numbers went up after
Speaker 2: the shooting. The iconic image shows that this was a
Speaker 2: man who showed courage under fire. But let's start to
Speaker 2: hide the image because we're now pushing Queen Kamala. But
Speaker 2: then there's also Google. Now, Google, of course is not
Speaker 2: just the way that people search for their information, but
Speaker 2: there's connections to all other forms of social media. Their
Speaker 2: parent company, Alphabet, is very familiar to Australians. In fact,
Speaker 2: when you go searching for something on the Internet, you
Speaker 2: don't search, you Google it in the same way that
Speaker 2: you don't drink a.
Speaker 1: Soft drink you have a coke.
Speaker 2: Ninety four percent of people, ninety four percent of people
Speaker 2: when they go looking for something on the Internet will
Speaker 2: do it through Google first, which means the results that
Speaker 2: they send you are important. And we all have the
Speaker 2: assumption that just naturally information in comes information back eh
Speaker 2: algorithms finger on, the algorithm bias of the employees may
Speaker 2: well be effect and the information that is coming back
Speaker 2: to you. Again, there is a connection to the Australian
Speaker 2: political system. I'll get to it in the moment. A
Speaker 2: couple of years ago there was an ex Google engineer
Speaker 2: who talked about the active bias inside the company, how
Speaker 2: it affects itself, not just in the work ways that
Speaker 2: it runs itself, but again sometimes how it fiddles with
Speaker 2: the things you're able to see. Last week, if you
Speaker 2: just typed in the word Donald Trump, is nothing came
Speaker 2: up when it came to Google. Elon Musk pointed this
Speaker 2: out as a major problem, but of course it was
Speaker 2: all just a mistake again to rob people of information,
Speaker 2: to shape people's information in the very vital couple of
Speaker 2: weeks as they were transitioning from Biden to Harris. Nothing
Speaker 2: to see here, of course, to mention, this is a
Speaker 2: far right wing conspiracy.
Speaker 1: So let's get to Australia. Is this stuff happening here?
Speaker 1: The truth is that in.
Speaker 2: The same way people blindly assume that Google is as
Speaker 2: trustworthy as the Dewey decimal cards used to look for
Speaker 2: in a library when you were at school, it ain't true.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Of course, It's an incredible tool with great information that
Speaker 2: will not at all be turned against me for pointing
Speaker 2: these things out. But there was an interesting conversation that
Speaker 2: a leading expert had with Alexantik, the Liberal Senator on
Speaker 2: his podcast. Dr Robert Epstein is his name and the
Speaker 2: behavioral psychologist. He says that he has quote no doubt
Speaker 2: that Google is manipulating Australia's elections by subtlely biasing search engines.
Speaker 2: He said in the podcast, Australia has no monitoring system,
Speaker 2: the European Union no monitoring system. If anyone in Google
Speaker 2: in Australia has any political interests in Australia, I have
Speaker 2: no doubt, absolutely no doubt that they're manipulating your elections.
Speaker 2: Now again, this is not a Google inside, it's a
Speaker 2: behavioral psychologist. Google will of course, no doubt deny, but
Speaker 2: still important to know because we're not all.
Speaker 1: Sitting around the radio anymore.
Speaker 2: We are getting our information from lots of different places,
Speaker 2: in lots of different ways, and as we have seen,
Speaker 2: we have a federal government that still is committed to
Speaker 2: censoring the Internet.
Speaker 1: For example, this.
Speaker 2: Conversation right now, If a left wing fact check it
Speaker 2: turns around advites anyone of it to be misinformation or
Speaker 2: misleading or incorrect, then of course that is flagged.
Speaker 1: That is flagged then.
Speaker 2: By the Australian Communications and Media Authority, who are about
Speaker 2: to be given the power to find a social media
Speaker 2: company if they post an example this conversation happening right now,
Speaker 2: because if misinformation remains on the platforms, then the Australian
Speaker 2: federal government will find the social media companies until they
Speaker 2: remove it. And of course what does every company do
Speaker 2: well if they keep getting notices that the information coming
Speaker 2: from a certain source has been defined by a left
Speaker 2: wing think tank to be misinformation, and there's a fine
Speaker 2: attach with it. Eventually you won't be able to post it,
Speaker 2: you won't be able to see it, you won't be
Speaker 2: able to share it. So you literally have a federal
Speaker 2: government right now that wants to sense of the internet.
Speaker 2: No one asks anyone about this every day, the Prime
Speaker 2: Minister too, no questions about this, because of course the
Speaker 2: assumption is this will only affect the right wing it
Speaker 2: Sky News primetime, the evil people who push back against
Speaker 2: the narratives. That's what we can see with our own eyes.
Speaker 2: What can we not see when it comes to the
Speaker 2: Google or Facebook algorithms. We know that when you start
Speaker 2: to take some of the restrictions off, you get Twitter
Speaker 2: and x and some people don't like that because they're
Speaker 2: starting to see some of the stuff that will be
Speaker 2: slowly but surely weed it out of the system to
Speaker 2: make sure that it was a perfect lefty echo chamber.
Speaker 2: This bloke continues in his conversation, though right at this minute,
Speaker 2: Google is sending registered to vote reminders to members of
Speaker 2: one political party, that being the Democrats, and two and
Speaker 2: a half times they rate that they're sending those registered
Speaker 2: reminders to Republicans, so put simply, they are saying, hey,
Speaker 2: don't forget to vote. But they're telling Democrats more frequently
Speaker 2: than they are, according to this bloke, to Republicans. Now,
Speaker 2: we have a compulsory voting system, so don't need to
Speaker 2: be reminded how to vote.
Speaker 1: But what video goes to the top of search?
Speaker 2: What story is the one that immediately comes up when
Speaker 2: you say Peter Dutton?
Speaker 1: Is all of it is.
Speaker 2: Controlled by the faceless machine, right, final one from this bloke.
Speaker 2: We know from very rigorous research that the go vote
Speaker 2: reminder alone in the United States on election day can
Speaker 2: easily send f one hundred and fifty thousand more votes
Speaker 2: on that day to one candidate than the other. That's
Speaker 2: going to happen in Australia too. Again, I don't know
Speaker 2: that's the case because compulsory voting, so they might be
Speaker 2: guilty of the lily there.
Speaker 1: But this is the point.
Speaker 2: In the same way that media literacy means that people
Speaker 2: are able to see a certain series of opinions or
Speaker 2: biases in newspaper, television, radio coverage, the same exists on
Speaker 2: the Internet. But the biases isn't from the author, it's
Speaker 2: from the person who is putting it up, from the
Speaker 2: person who is helping take you to the articles. But
Speaker 2: a government that is wanting to censor the Internet on
Speaker 2: top of whatever it might be happening behind the scenes
Speaker 2: is frightening. But of course Peter Dunn's the problem. This
Speaker 2: week the Reserve Bank will have yet another meeting. The
Speaker 2: expectation is that fingers crossed, they will not be raising
Speaker 2: interest rates. But of course people want fingers crossed right
Speaker 2: now because the interest rates under Albow and Charmers have
Speaker 2: gone through the roof. People are genuinely concerned because the
Speaker 2: reality is and look, let's just look at the data
Speaker 2: here and I'll tell you what I drove out all
Speaker 2: the stops on this graph, I'm using one from SBS,
Speaker 2: but I just added a little bit here in blue.
Speaker 2: Since the Labor Party took over, there have been twelve
Speaker 2: interrastrate rises. It stayed level, but it stayed level at
Speaker 2: a really high level for a really long period of time.
Speaker 1: Drink that in.
Speaker 2: Will come up with a prettier version when we use
Speaker 2: the common sixty four to come up with one later.
Speaker 2: But have a look at that one interstrate rise under
Speaker 2: this previous government twelve under this one. Ah, but trust us,
Speaker 2: we know what we're doing when it comes to the economy.
Speaker 2: I mentioned this last night, but there's a chance you
Speaker 2: weren't watching on a Sunday night. You should always be
Speaker 2: here on a Sunday night.
Speaker 1: But how's this.
Speaker 2: The average Australian that is paying off a mortgage is
Speaker 2: having to find tens of thousands of dollars more than
Speaker 2: when Labour took over and twelve interestrate rises have taken
Speaker 2: place since now. Interest rate rises have sunk political parties
Speaker 2: in the past, but because of course, most of the
Speaker 2: bubble wants to protect the bubble and pretend that the government,
Speaker 2: who is one hundred percent responsible for the good economic news,
Speaker 2: is one hundred percent not responsible for the bad economic news. Hence,
Speaker 2: why the fear is that if the interest rates go
Speaker 2: up that people will finally actually wake up that maybe
Speaker 2: changing the jockey didn't change the direction of the horse.
Speaker 2: In fact, it's the jockey who ended up causing way
Speaker 2: more trouble. Mortgages have gone up one hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: four dollars a day since this government came to power,
Speaker 2: and these numbers are based just in the past twelve months,
Speaker 2: not in the past two years. Ahead of a critical
Speaker 2: meeting of the Reserve Bank. Figures from the Australian Bureau
Speaker 2: Statistics released on Friday.
Speaker 1: Age is how funny it came out on a Friday.
Speaker 2: They show the average mortgages increased by fifty six thousand dollars,
Speaker 2: or as Channel nine put it, forty five percent of
Speaker 2: people's incomes are currently going on loans, so more of
Speaker 2: it than ever before, with less money coming through the door.
Speaker 2: This is why it will become a massive political problem.
Speaker 1: And why people are going policeplicly. Please don't raise the rates.
Speaker 2: But the Reserve Bank has a right to raise the
Speaker 2: interest rates because the inflation rate, which is supposed to
Speaker 2: between two and three, is now closer to four than
Speaker 2: it is to three, at three point eight percent last
Speaker 2: month on the monthly inflation figures. Sorry the month before
Speaker 2: in May that we got four percent, So inflation's starting
Speaker 2: to go back up. It could, of course, have nothing
Speaker 2: to do with the way the federal government is managing
Speaker 2: our finances. No, no, it's all global right, I know,
Speaker 2: that's right. The United States has a lower inflation rate,
Speaker 2: yet it's the number one issue in the election. Well,
Speaker 2: until of course the algorithms kicking. One of the many
Speaker 2: reasons was of this change of government in the UK
Speaker 2: was because of their inflation rate.
Speaker 1: It's lower than ours two.
Speaker 2: But amazingly even then, the people who would like to
Speaker 2: look the other way every now and then, if you
Speaker 2: go digging deep enough or they can't deny the reality
Speaker 2: that is the economy right now for people who are
Speaker 2: your average Australian. Even in the media that you pay for,
Speaker 2: whether you watch it or not, like the ABC it
Speaker 2: reported today, why headline inflation numbers are masking a confronting
Speaker 2: financial reality facing most households.
Speaker 1: Let me explain it to you.
Speaker 2: Here are simple, brutal numbers behind why people are hurting.
Speaker 2: In May twenty twenty two, the Reserve being started hiking
Speaker 2: rates one under the previous government, twelve under this government.
Speaker 2: In the nine quarters since then, the consumer price index
Speaker 2: has risen at an average of five point six percent,
Speaker 2: peaking at seven point eight percent. But while the price
Speaker 2: of things that you need to live is increased, your
Speaker 2: wages haven't. Prices have risen far faster than incomes, which
Speaker 2: means people are going backwards. Because people are going backwards,
Speaker 2: not to mention on the stuff that you buy, but the.
Speaker 1: Cost of the loan that you took out. People struggle.
Speaker 2: But of course don't expect a prime minister to understand that,
Speaker 2: because not only is he in the rarefied air of
Speaker 2: two free houses paid for by us, one in Sydney,
Speaker 2: one in Canberra, the lodgical Curabilly house. Remember he got
Speaker 2: a pay rise. He now ends more than six hundred
Speaker 2: thousand dollars it. By the way, there was the third
Speaker 2: pay rise since he became Prime minister. Don't expect most
Speaker 2: MPs to understand why, because budget they too have been
Speaker 2: given thousands of dollars in the second biggest pay rise
Speaker 2: in a decade that was in June of this year.
Speaker 2: The biggest pay rise in a decade had actually taken
Speaker 2: place also in this term of office, in fact, more
Speaker 2: than a year after the Labour Party had taken power.
Speaker 1: And of course, ultimately the Governor.
Speaker 2: General who's above politics, isn't she, Well, she wouldn't understand
Speaker 2: either why. Firstly, she too has two free homes right
Speaker 2: next door to the Prime Minister's.
Speaker 1: Home in Sydney that'll be convenient, and of course at
Speaker 1: Canberra where it's a much.
Speaker 2: Nicer house than the Prime Minister's well, she of course
Speaker 2: got a two hundred thousand dollars pay rise and now
Speaker 2: gets paid seven hundred thousand dollars. So while you go backwards,
Speaker 2: and while the choke is tighter and tighter and tighter,
Speaker 2: and the home loan is fifty six thousand dollars higher
Speaker 2: than it was twelve months ago, let alone when they
Speaker 2: took power.
Speaker 1: If tomorrow or later.
Speaker 2: When the decision is made, the Reserve Bank does not
Speaker 2: raise interest rates. Ignore anyone who tells you relief for homeowners.
Speaker 2: There's no relief. You're still being choked within an inch
Speaker 2: of your financial life life. Collectively, the average Australian resembles
Speaker 2: the same color of deep purple of a rabina bottle
Speaker 2: in terms of how much pressure they are under right now.
Speaker 2: Yet this government, of course will turn around and use
Speaker 2: headline numbers and core inflation not reality for Australians.
Speaker 1: They promised a better world. It didn't get better.
Speaker 2: It got worse, demonstrably worse, a dozen times worse if
Speaker 2: you're trying to pay off a house. As for the
Speaker 2: Prime Minister's focus today in canber As you may will
Speaker 2: have heard, they have now raised the official terrorism rate
Speaker 2: from possible to probable.
Speaker 1: This is the Prime Minister explaining.
Speaker 10: Why Ajiao has decided to return Australia's national terrorism threat
Speaker 10: level from possible to probable. And it does not mean
Speaker 10: there is intelligence about an imminent threat or danger. But
Speaker 10: the advice that we've received is that more Australians are
Speaker 10: embracing a more diverse range of extreme ideologies and it
Speaker 10: is our responsibility to be vigilant.
Speaker 1: The ASIO boss explained.
Speaker 11: Why politically motivated violence encompasses terrorism, but is broader than that.
Speaker 11: It covers any violent act or any violent threat intended
Speaker 11: or likely to achieve a political objective. This includes violent
Speaker 11: protest right or an attack on a politician or our
Speaker 11: democratic institutions. This trend increased during COVID, gained further momentum
Speaker 11: after the terrorist attacks in Israel, and accelerated during Israel's
Speaker 11: military response.
Speaker 1: A wide array of ideological issues. As for the Prime Minister,
Speaker 1: what is the difference between possible and probable?
Speaker 10: This is the same threat level that was in place
Speaker 10: in Australia for more than eight years before it was
Speaker 10: lowered in November of twenty and twenty two. Since them,
Speaker 10: we've seen a globe will rise in politically motivated violence
Speaker 10: and extremism. Governments around the world are concerned about youth radicalization,
Speaker 10: online radicalization, and the rise of new mixed ideologies.
Speaker 2: Mixed ideologies pull your Punch's prime in mister well, too little,
Speaker 2: too late, possible to probable now possible would have covered
Speaker 2: And I think which took place last week and is
Speaker 2: currently before the court saw I'm limited about what I
Speaker 2: can say here, but it involved Westfield Miranda in Sydney,
Speaker 2: where a man had allegedly planned a terrorist attack.
Speaker 1: Then of course there's the.
Speaker 2: Stuff that has happened, so it's not possible, it's not
Speaker 2: probable it happened, like the stabbing of the church in
Speaker 2: western Sydney where the priest ended up losing an eye.
Speaker 2: What do I have to say, allegedly lost to eight
Speaker 2: I don't know, but apparently the allegedlies have to be
Speaker 2: thrown in mere.
Speaker 1: Well that happened.
Speaker 2: Then of course there's the teenagers who were arrested after
Speaker 2: that happened, where the claim was I want to do
Speaker 2: g hard what a citting team accused of terror offenses
Speaker 2: was allegedly messaging.
Speaker 1: So I love when they turn around and say, oh,
Speaker 1: possible probable.
Speaker 2: What about this has happened, has happened this year? And yes,
Speaker 2: there's plenty of examples of the far right and the
Speaker 2: meeting on Australia Day, And I'm not going to pretend
Speaker 2: to gloss over all of that. We talk about it
Speaker 2: because it's the reality of the threat to Australians, But
Speaker 2: spare me possible and probable. It's happened, The radicalization is happening.
Speaker 2: The crazy stuff that bubbles up on the Internet that
Speaker 2: we end up being able.
Speaker 1: To show you has happened.
Speaker 2: Oh, but it's all still possible and probable, and it's
Speaker 2: mixed ideologies. Dave sharmannled it today when he was talking
Speaker 2: with Chris Kenny.
Speaker 1: Of course, he of the.
Speaker 12: Opposition, inflammatory provocative behaviors are becoming normalized. This is part
Speaker 12: of his warning about raising the threat level here in Australia.
Speaker 12: But he made that point that inflammatory, provocative behaviors are
Speaker 12: becoming normalized. Why are they becoming normalized? Why is that
Speaker 12: the case? Well, because they're being tolerated, because people aren't
Speaker 12: getting arrested, because people aren't being charged, because police are
Speaker 12: not preventing these things or acting on it. Because our
Speaker 12: political leaders are failing to set the time which they
Speaker 12: should have been setting early on.
Speaker 2: And just a little side note speaking of the Prime
Speaker 2: Minister today, of course he was all trying to thump
Speaker 2: his chest about possible versus probable versus it's actually happened, sir,
Speaker 2: It is happening, sir. Well, you got a little cranky
Speaker 2: today when normally one of.
Speaker 1: The loyal soldiers decided not to.
Speaker 2: Play along in the fashion of which a loyal soldier
Speaker 2: must play along, someone from the Turmbul Times decided to
Speaker 2: ask question that he didn't want to talk about because
Speaker 2: it wasn't on the topic of what you wanted to
Speaker 2: talk about.
Speaker 1: Have a look, are caps not a total man?
Speaker 7: The government's preferred solution to get caps?
Speaker 11: Can we can stick to this this stage it's a
Speaker 11: press conference.
Speaker 1: Well that's fine, but I'll come back to your paul.
Speaker 10: I have a better respect.
Speaker 2: Thank you here in any particular gruson.
Speaker 1: Good do not. You're not here to ask me questions.
Speaker 2: We're here to play a little game where we pretend
Speaker 2: you ask me questions.
Speaker 1: If you ask a question out of order, what's wrong
Speaker 1: with you? Sorry, sir.
Speaker 2: As for another concern that is rolling around in the
Speaker 2: Turnbull times about whether or not this government is walking
Speaker 2: away from its promise around a truth and Reconciliation Commission
Speaker 2: otherwise known as a Macarata commission, one of they, of course,
Speaker 2: have already put into a budget for the past two years.
Speaker 2: The Prime Minister yesterday was slowly inching away after you know,
Speaker 2: sixty percent of the country said no to the voice.
Speaker 3: Well, but that's not what we have proposed.
Speaker 10: What we're proposed is Makarada just being the idea of
Speaker 10: coming together.
Speaker 1: Ah.
Speaker 2: But you see, the great Leader didn't really mean what
Speaker 2: he said, says the Minister, who apparently knows what he
Speaker 2: was really thinking as opposed to what he was really saying.
Speaker 8: We are not moving away from our commitment to the
Speaker 8: Ularu statement from the heart. The interpretation of what the
Speaker 8: Prime Minister said has been taken completely further than what
Speaker 8: it was meant to.
Speaker 2: She knows more than the Prime Minister, doesn't she How
Speaker 2: long has she been in the job for oh less
Speaker 2: than a week. Let's talk about what's happening in the UK.
Speaker 2: This is disgraceful, disgusting, it's not acceptable, it's not okay.
Speaker 2: It is not on There is no shadow language, there's
Speaker 2: no halfway housing on this stuff. The writing that is
Speaker 2: taking place in the UK is a disgrace. It is
Speaker 2: not acceptable. It is disgusting. The injuring of police not acceptable.
Speaker 2: When it happens in other areas, other times, other protests
Speaker 2: it was equally disgusting as it has been right now.
Speaker 2: The new British Prime Minister says is going to go
Speaker 2: hard against these people.
Speaker 13: I utterly condemn the far right thuggery we've seen this weekend.
Speaker 13: Be in no doubt those that have participated in this
Speaker 13: violence will face the full force of the law. I
Speaker 13: guarantee you will regret taking part in this disorder, whether
Speaker 13: directly or those whipping up this action online.
Speaker 1: Again, it's not about left wing right wing in terms
Speaker 1: of your politics.
Speaker 2: It's not about whether you are Team Red, Team Blue,
Speaker 2: Team Reform, Team One Nation, Team Greens, whatever you happen
Speaker 2: to be between Australia and the United Kingdom. It's not acceptable,
Speaker 2: it's not okay, it's not tolerated. Two things are going
Speaker 2: to be true at the same time. You can have
Speaker 2: a whole bunch of thoughts and issues on a whole
Speaker 2: collection of other things. An absolute condemnation for the people
Speaker 2: who have decided to turn this violent.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Of course, the most recent version of this or started
Speaker 2: a couple of days ago, all in relation to a
Speaker 2: seventeen year old who had been charged with the stabbing
Speaker 2: murder of just.
Speaker 1: Three little girls.
Speaker 2: There was a memorial shortly after, and shortly after the memorial,
Speaker 2: well the nonsense began. And I say nonsense not in
Speaker 2: a polite kind way, but just as a different way
Speaker 2: of saying the same thing. People going after people because
Speaker 2: of their race or allegedly because of where they've come from.
Speaker 2: Prime Minister has had to make a second speech in
Speaker 2: and around all of this, suggesting that the people involved
Speaker 2: in all of this are not just thugs but also
Speaker 2: sort of akin to soccer hooligans. They must be ridded
Speaker 2: from the public square after yet another series of rights.
Speaker 2: This time they went after people who had yes illegally
Speaker 2: entered the country and were ending up in hotels. But
Speaker 2: again still none of that as any sort of justification
Speaker 2: in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 1: This is not okay, It is not acceptable. It is
Speaker 1: not an on. There is no gray area, there is
Speaker 1: no middle area.
Speaker 2: I look forward to talking about this because he's a
Speaker 2: bloke who of course has been twisted all of his
Speaker 2: words in a lot of different directions with Niga Farash
Speaker 2: will do that tomorrow night, make sure that you hear.
Speaker 2: And one last thing about the American situation. I'll make
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris now leading in the polls, the one who
Speaker 2: looks like she is on her pathway towards the presidency,
Speaker 2: powered by a whole series of memes, of course, not
Speaker 2: answering a single question, no press conference, no interviews, no
Speaker 2: speeches that go longer than about fifteen minutes. And as
Speaker 2: you know right now, where the collective media is gushing
Speaker 2: over Obama in a pants suit.
Speaker 14: She's gone from cringe to cool.
Speaker 7: Democrats were depressed, demoralized, and divided.
Speaker 9: Tonight their new presidential candidate is giving them unity, energy,
Speaker 9: and most of all, hope.
Speaker 7: Trump's opponent, Kamala Harris is having what could be called,
Speaker 7: even impartially a banner week.
Speaker 3: The momentum for Kamala Harris is potent like nothing many
Speaker 3: of us have ever seen.
Speaker 1: She's going to be amazing.
Speaker 2: She's inflation. She knows what she told me. It's amazing. Well,
Speaker 2: remember when the left took the piss out of Kamala Harris,
Speaker 2: not in twenty nineteen, when of course she was running
Speaker 2: for president, Not in twenty twenty, when she of course
Speaker 2: didn't get any votes to become the candidate or the
Speaker 2: vice presidential nominee. Not in twenty one or twenty two
Speaker 2: or twenty three this year. In fact, just two months ago,
Speaker 2: the left was taking the proverbial out of Kamala Harris
Speaker 2: with her sort of.
Speaker 1: California psychic routine, talking about.
Speaker 6: The significance of the passage of time, right, the significance
Speaker 6: of the passage of time. So when you think about it,
Speaker 6: there is great significance to the passage of time.
Speaker 1: You know, she was a little bit deep, she was
Speaker 1: a little bit you know, dream capture.
Speaker 2: And it was the Daily Show who had assumed that
Speaker 2: this person who's going to go out with Biden and
Speaker 2: not to be the second coming of political.
Speaker 1: Saviors. This is what they were joking about two months ago.
Speaker 15: My name is Dahlia Rose Hibiscus and I am Vice
Speaker 15: President Kamala Harris's holistic thought advisor. What is a holistic
Speaker 15: thought advisor? It's holistic, yes, and I am advising.
Speaker 1: And what do we mean when we say that.
Speaker 15: It means that I am the one by whom the
Speaker 15: thoughts are being advised from a place of advisement, and then,
Speaker 15: once advised, communicated holistically.
Speaker 2: Funny then funny, now true, then true now no matter
Speaker 2: what's been they want to put on it. We want
Speaker 2: to see your un Pulmurray live debate for the rest
Speaker 2: of the night. Looking forward to seeing you at any time.
Speaker 2: Send me name my Poults gottnews dot com dot I
Speaker 2: you how goods are not going to be? Sam Crosby
Speaker 2: and I already and I was inspiring during the break.
Speaker 2: We're ready to go, ready to fire up, sir, looking forward,
Speaker 2: Thank you, Loving to be here and lovely. Matt Canavan
Speaker 2: of course joins us as well. He's in the He
Speaker 2: is in his own sort of version of the man
Speaker 2: cave wherever happens to be. But where you tonight.
Speaker 3: Mate, mate, beautiful Brice Vegas Gold queens you're already miss.
Speaker 1: Home gold medal winning.
Speaker 3: Exactly mate, exactly what we do with that Queensland.
Speaker 2: I do love a parochial story, and particularly the one
Speaker 2: same Queensland. If it was a country, would be doing
Speaker 2: better than others. And you know, a per capita, it's
Speaker 2: the second goal.
Speaker 1: I love I love it. I love it all. Right,
Speaker 1: let's get to the series.
Speaker 2: So the Prime Minister today follows Asia's advice, which says,
Speaker 2: we changed the threat level from possible to problem. Okay,
Speaker 2: I repeat what I said a couple of seconds ago,
Speaker 2: and I want to see what your response to it is, Sam,
Speaker 2: which is okay, when the priest was stabbed in Western
Speaker 2: Sydney and multiple people were arrested in and around terror planning,
Speaker 2: that's when this should have happened, right. Why because it
Speaker 2: happened right? We've seen multiple examples and yes, again not
Speaker 2: going to pretend and for the people that are half listening,
Speaker 2: And I have to do this stuff because if I don't,
Speaker 2: somebody will run of after the umpire and misinformation. I
Speaker 2: am aware of the issues that are existing in the
Speaker 2: far right. We've talked about him on the show. I've
Speaker 2: mentioned them before. But why today?
Speaker 1: Why do you think.
Speaker 2: Today, Sam, is the day that this all comes out? When,
Speaker 2: of course, remember it was October eighth last year when
Speaker 2: Where's the Jews was being screened out the front of
Speaker 2: the opera house.
Speaker 16: Yeah, there's no doubt that this has been coming for
Speaker 16: a while. And if you watched Mike Burger's press conference,
Speaker 16: he was certainly saying it was coming from everywhere. Yes
Speaker 16: it was on the right, Yes it was on the left,
Speaker 16: Yes it was Israel, Palestine. It's coming from everywhere.
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 16: The thing about what he was attributing it to for
Speaker 16: me was and you know, we're learning every day about
Speaker 16: the impact that COVID and the shutdowns had in a
Speaker 16: long run thing. But you know, he was saying a
Speaker 16: lot of this was happening to young men sitting at
Speaker 16: home in their bedroom, completely cut off from the world,
Speaker 16: completely cut off from social interaction, in getting radicalized, you know,
Speaker 16: groomed by these guys sitting in some cave, you know,
Speaker 16: common as away.
Speaker 2: And to that point, remember who took the shot at Trump,
Speaker 2: young bloke in his twenties, right, who's the person accused
Speaker 2: of the bishop stabbing?
Speaker 1: Of course again, young person.
Speaker 2: Who are the people who are constantly being pulled up
Speaker 2: at the moment for planning young people and by the way,
Speaker 2: homegrown right born here.
Speaker 1: Of our societies. Yet someone is getting to them.
Speaker 2: And Matt, this is really important, right because again I
Speaker 2: know there's a really easy conversation here, which is, well, you.
Speaker 1: Know, why not name what the ideology? Okay, let's just
Speaker 1: get to the reality today.
Speaker 2: If they decided to change the traffic light, why wasn't
Speaker 2: it changed the day when where's the Jews is being
Speaker 2: screamed out? Or why wasn't it done on the day
Speaker 2: where the bishop loses his eye, Or why wasn't it
Speaker 2: done on the day where the hate preachers are ripping around?
Speaker 1: Why is it today?
Speaker 3: Look, I don't know, Paul, and I'm not necessarily sure
Speaker 3: there is a conspiracy about the timing, because whatever the timing,
Speaker 3: it's greatly embarrassing for or the Albanesi government and their
Speaker 3: approach on these issues in recent time. Maybe there was
Speaker 3: a delay in it because it was embarrassing they just
Speaker 3: couldn't delay it any longer.
Speaker 14: But I don't know. I don't know. I think the bigger.
Speaker 3: Material issue here is that for the past year the
Speaker 3: Albanesi government has been obsessed and distracted with this issue
Speaker 3: of so called far right extremism, clearly for their own
Speaker 3: base political purposes.
Speaker 14: They're pushing that agenda.
Speaker 3: They're actually having a full on Senate inquiry at the
Speaker 3: moment into far right extremism. They've kind of put that
Speaker 3: under the doner at the moment. They're not publicizing that
Speaker 3: much but they announced late last year a full on
Speaker 3: Senate inquiry a far right extremism. We at the time,
Speaker 3: the coalition at the time tried to expand the terms
Speaker 3: of reference for that inquiry to include all types of extremism,
Speaker 3: including of course Islamic extremism, and the government used their
Speaker 3: numbers to deny that request. And so they've been show
Speaker 3: up here to be completely missing the plot on this.
Speaker 14: The threat level has been raised.
Speaker 3: It's clearly that threat level is at least in part,
Speaker 3: probably mostly in part because of extremism flying out of
Speaker 3: the conflict in the Middle East, the issues of radical Islam,
Speaker 3: and the government has been completely distracted and missed the
Speaker 3: ball on this one.
Speaker 2: Well and again right now we'll say the UK conversation
Speaker 2: for a little bit later and with specificity with nigenal morror.
Speaker 2: But again, if the concept is that one thing triggers
Speaker 2: another thing, which is potential here right about sort of,
Speaker 2: none of that is acceptable right the initial yet and
Speaker 2: the violent response is not acceptable either. So we'll wait
Speaker 2: and watching the next of the while. But Sam, you
Speaker 2: were giggling at my suggestion that perhaps Google may will
Speaker 2: fiddle with things when it comes to a leg.
Speaker 16: I was laughing out loud.
Speaker 14: I was laughing at it.
Speaker 2: I don't think there's any form in the past. There's
Speaker 2: no form in the past, including last week about the
Speaker 2: censoring of the image of Donald Trump being after being shot.
Speaker 2: That there's no proof around Hunter Biden laptop, that there
Speaker 2: is no proof around the people who.
Speaker 16: Work for Google has to put out incredibly clear directives
Speaker 16: if they're going to do, you know, any intervention in
Speaker 16: their search search engine algorithm. Coming onto this show, Coming
Speaker 16: onto this show, I did three searches on Bing and
Speaker 16: I did three searches on Google. Got the same things
Speaker 16: on very political matters.
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris, is you're some Microsoft your what about duck
Speaker 2: duck go?
Speaker 1: What did that come up?
Speaker 14: You're different between Seattle and Silicon Valley.
Speaker 16: Your earlier point, Paul about the Google giving x number
Speaker 16: more eight times more notifications to Democrat It wasn't My
Speaker 16: point was carrying the sure But does age not get
Speaker 16: not come into that? Did they exclude age in that?
Speaker 16: I mean, obviously you would be encouraging young people to
Speaker 16: go and register to vote more than you would old people.
Speaker 16: And therefore, yes, Republican voters are older than Democratic voters.
Speaker 14: You explained the Donald Trump searches. Have you seen those?
Speaker 14: I mean.
Speaker 3: Donald Trump. I mean it's been well publicized. You might
Speaker 3: have missed it. It might have missed it, but we
Speaker 3: switched for Donald Trump. When you search for Donald Trump,
Speaker 3: it wouldn't it on Google. On Google Search, if you
Speaker 3: search for Donald Trump, it wouldn't bring up his name
Speaker 3: in auto correct, bring up Donald Duck and not Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: And then in fact, if you did finally get to
Speaker 3: search for him, it'd bring up news about Carmela Harris
Speaker 3: and about how great Harris.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, God.
Speaker 14: Down the I'm going to partly agree with you.
Speaker 3: I'm going to partly agree with you that I'm not
Speaker 3: so sure there's that much being done to Australian politics
Speaker 3: where I think we might be over inflating our own
Speaker 3: egos here. And I don't know if the big tech
Speaker 3: bros of Silicon Value that focused on Anthony Albernezi right now.
Speaker 3: There's no doubt this happens in the US itself. There's many,
Speaker 3: many examples of it. In saying that that the there
Speaker 3: is some consequential impacts on our own politics. At a
Speaker 3: different time, Skott News was demonetized by Google by YouTube
Speaker 3: for its statement.
Speaker 2: The federal government is introducing the system which will eventually
Speaker 2: and I think.
Speaker 14: Gets banned absolutely wrong.
Speaker 1: It has defined but check Paul.
Speaker 3: I'm against that, but at least that's a sovereign and
Speaker 3: elected government here. I'm completely against a foreign, foreign based
Speaker 3: multimedia companies, massive media companies now having any control or
Speaker 3: censorship over Australian political discussion. And I'm not saying it's
Speaker 3: central to our political debate. I think it's impacting election results,
Speaker 3: but it is having some impact at the margins, and
Speaker 3: that's not right. I think we should be in control
Speaker 3: of the political discussion this country and not foreigns.
Speaker 2: And again, Sam, what I did not say, are you suggesting?
Speaker 2: But I make it very clear for the person who's
Speaker 2: job is the ABC to transcribe everything I've just been saying,
Speaker 2: do not suggest about the outcome of elections.
Speaker 1: I did not.
Speaker 2: It's just about the concept of this is a source
Speaker 2: of information and do you trust it in the way
Speaker 2: that people have come to trust it because it is
Speaker 2: the go to right, I'm not entirely convinced I'm asking
Speaker 2: a question, but God forbid, all right, I look forward
Speaker 2: to the fact checking of the fact check conversation because
Speaker 2: we know what rabbit hole that is quick break back
Speaker 2: with more round two next after Sam won? That's so easily,
Speaker 2: didn't he I want to sec your inport of life.
Speaker 2: All right, two big brains who would love to talk
Speaker 2: about American politics far longer than I give them the
Speaker 2: chance to. But let us get into it right now
Speaker 2: with Matt Canavan and of course with Sam Crosby. Matt,
Speaker 2: it feels like, well, the data is out there, we
Speaker 2: have hit the tipping point where Harris is now leading.
Speaker 2: The assumption is that she is in that position because
Speaker 2: the key state of Pennsylvania has now started to flip. Now,
Speaker 2: as somebody would like to see Trump get up, what
Speaker 2: would you like to see him do? My suggestion, talk
Speaker 2: about the damn issues where he's twenty points in front,
Speaker 2: inflation and immigration. Instead she's cruising. What do you think?
Speaker 3: Oh, look, mate, I haven't changed what I thought last week.
Speaker 3: And there's a lot of noise, a lot of white
Speaker 3: noise are out in it right now, and people can
Speaker 3: react on a daily basis to that. But the fundamentals
Speaker 3: of this race haven't changed. It's going to be decided
Speaker 3: in those rust belt states. And as I said last week,
Speaker 3: I don't think Carmla Harris, a very left wing senator
Speaker 3: from San Francisco, is going to resonate very well in
Speaker 3: those states. There's so much material it will eventually hit.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think the Trump campaign's right not to
Speaker 3: throw all that out there just yet. There's plenty of
Speaker 3: time to go. I've got to pick their moment. And
Speaker 3: the reality is the Karmla campaign have spent an enormous
Speaker 3: amount of money. I've seen figures of thirty forty million
Speaker 3: dollars they've spent on advertising, very unusual at this stage
Speaker 3: of the cycle. But obviously they're trying to generate some
Speaker 3: momentum and that sort of money is going to do something.
Speaker 3: But you wonder whether they've really got a bang for
Speaker 3: their buck if they've just had a couple of points
Speaker 3: change of the polls for that kind of money being spent.
Speaker 2: But also, you know, Sam, it feels like again that
Speaker 2: when you get too deep into the reeds or too
Speaker 2: counting the number of grains of sand on the beach.
Speaker 2: That's where we all are right trying to look for
Speaker 2: what might happen. Of course, we don't know what next week,
Speaker 2: next month. I mean, literally where we were a month
Speaker 2: ago compared to where we'll be in a month two
Speaker 2: months time. But what's your sense. Are you surprised that
Speaker 2: it has gone this way this quickly? Are there things
Speaker 2: she needs to do to step beyond what she's currently doing.
Speaker 16: Look, I'm absolutely surprised it's gone this far this quickly.
Speaker 16: To Matt's point about the amount of money they're spending, now,
Speaker 16: he's absolutely right, this is unprecedented, but so is dropping
Speaker 16: in a candidate at this stage with no primary. So
Speaker 16: she is as yet undefined in the American mind. I
Speaker 16: know everyone here and probably everyone watching has a very
Speaker 16: clear view of her. And as shocking as it is
Speaker 16: to say, I dare say the vast majority of Americans
Speaker 16: would be unable to name who the vice president is.
Speaker 1: So that's why they're trying to keep it in the vibe.
Speaker 16: Yeah, and exactly, if you keep it in that vibe,
Speaker 16: you're all good. I think in the next day or so,
Speaker 16: she's going to name a vice presidential candidate. That's going
Speaker 16: to be an important moment for the campaign. Again, my
Speaker 16: money's on the senator from Arizona, although I think Joshapira
Speaker 16: would be really cool. The other one that's getting a
Speaker 16: really strange amount of traction considering that Minnesota is not
Speaker 16: at all a state that the Democrats are in content. Literally,
Speaker 16: no one's right is the governor there Waltz, who's i'm told,
Speaker 16: a brilliant governor and would add real heft to that.
Speaker 16: But I can't figure out why he's in the final three.
Speaker 1: Well, it's this thing.
Speaker 2: Look, he's good on Telly, and he's sort of good
Speaker 2: in the supposedly sort of being able to speak Republican
Speaker 2: and flip some people. But we'll all see last one
Speaker 2: here a couple of seconds each on it. Matt the
Speaker 2: debate about debates, I don't think Trump needs one anymore.
Speaker 2: I think that he should do town halls. If Kamala
Speaker 2: Harris wants to turn up and do town halls, that's fine,
Speaker 2: But basically turn it into a scenario where it's not
Speaker 2: this sort of It's not the adversarial debate scenario where
Speaker 2: we know what the outcome is going to be judged
Speaker 2: by the media. It's someone asks you a question, you
Speaker 2: answer it, and you compare their answers, and I think
Speaker 2: that the word salad is going to do very poorly
Speaker 2: in that scenario.
Speaker 14: Well, they're always my favorite debates.
Speaker 3: I love those ones where you get just average questions
Speaker 3: from average Joe's and I think it reveals a lot
Speaker 3: about the candidates. So Trump's a very good people person too.
Speaker 3: I mean, you even saw it that the black journalist thing.
Speaker 3: I mean, he still had people laughing and agreeing with him.
Speaker 3: He's the best committee in the world right now.
Speaker 16: Yeah, he's got a debater. He can't not debate, you know,
Speaker 16: if nothing else. His ego is going to You're probably
Speaker 16: right in terms of should he or shouldn't he, But
Speaker 16: he's going to have to.
Speaker 2: Don't you just turn around and you say the debate
Speaker 2: should be I'm not doing the journal thing.
Speaker 1: We can do it with normal voters.
Speaker 2: I think that's the closest he'll get to one if
Speaker 2: there's going to be.
Speaker 16: Yeah, maybe, but his ego is not going to let
Speaker 16: him stay out of it.
Speaker 1: All right, Thank you for being ego lists at all times, gentlemen.
Speaker 1: Appreciate it. Love you both.
Speaker 2: We'll see you again tomorrow night, when Nigel Fragi will
Speaker 2: join us from.
Speaker 1: The United Kingdom. He comes to the late debate