WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 5 August

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<v Speaker 1>From the skying in Center. This is Paul Murray life.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, man, what is it? Monday, August twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 2>And I say this with pride, but I think I've

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<v Speaker 2>officially become my dad. Now I'm only forty six, but

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<v Speaker 2>I've now hit that moment where.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm cold all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>I was used to roll my eyes a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>when Dad was like, Jesus, cold, isn't a cold? Isn't

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<v Speaker 2>a mate cold? I'm that guy this winter.

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<v Speaker 3>I know I've had an arctic blast here, there and everywhere,

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<v Speaker 3>but I'm wrapped up layer upon layer and I'm still cold.

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<v Speaker 2>So I've officially joined the club anyway, hopefully for the

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<v Speaker 2>next forty six years. Good luck with my eating well,

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<v Speaker 2>I will find a way to get warm. But one

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<v Speaker 2>of the ways, of course, is to bask in the

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<v Speaker 2>awesomeness of Queen's Land. Now, as you know, I was

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<v Speaker 2>not born in the state, but I consider myself spiritually

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<v Speaker 2>a Queenslander. You know how much I love going on

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<v Speaker 2>holidays there, the good people that are there, the hope

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<v Speaker 2>and possibility of getting rid of a bad government.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, of course, in Australia we always have these little

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<v Speaker 1>fights about you know which is best?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it Sydney with its emerald city and beautiful harbor?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it Melbourne the most livable city according to five

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and twenty eight.

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<v Speaker 1>Surveys in a row?

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<v Speaker 2>Is a beautiful bris Vegas the host of the Olympic

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<v Speaker 2>Games in two thousand and thirty two.

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<v Speaker 1>Who knows? But of course right now the.

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<v Speaker 2>Joy of Queensland is being spread worldwide via the events

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<v Speaker 2>that are taking place in Paris.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, Australia doing incredibly well on that medal tally.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember our officials said they didn't want to tell us

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<v Speaker 2>how many medals they think we'd win.

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<v Speaker 1>We obviously I'm involved.

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<v Speaker 2>We have won thirty one twelve of them a gold

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<v Speaker 2>doing pretty well, doing better than places like Korea which

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<v Speaker 2>are nailing it in sports like archery. Wow, that men's

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<v Speaker 2>final was unbelievable last night. But let's focus in on

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<v Speaker 2>Queensland because I've got to say well done to Chris

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<v Speaker 2>Jones and all of the people of the corea are

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<v Speaker 2>because they found a way to Queensland a fire Smpics

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<v Speaker 2>that are taking place in Paris right now. They have

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<v Speaker 2>worked out the Queensland and athletes from Queensland have taken

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<v Speaker 2>half more than half of.

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<v Speaker 1>Australia's gold medals.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, if the Sunshine Sunshine State was a nation

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<v Speaker 2>as of Sunday, I would have tied with Japan for

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<v Speaker 2>seventh place on the middle Talley. Not all of Australia,

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<v Speaker 2>but beautiful Queensland with eight golds, but be ahead of

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<v Speaker 2>countries like Canada. Now this may be according to some economists,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's according to your heart where you know. Queensland's

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<v Speaker 2>nailing it at the Olympics. Queensland has also guarned five

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<v Speaker 2>silver and two bronze. Fifteen medals for beautiful Queensland. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>those blood transfusions. I need to become one to be

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<v Speaker 2>equally proud. But the good people of the quartery male

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<v Speaker 2>laying it on with a trowel. They continue one point

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<v Speaker 2>three medias residents seven gold medals. Brisbane is second.

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<v Speaker 4>Per capita on the middle tally, with a gold for

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<v Speaker 4>every one hundred and eighty nine thousand residents. The Caribbean

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<v Speaker 4>island of Saint Lucia is the only place doing better.

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<v Speaker 1>So queens Australia might be running in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Top five at fourth, Queensland is running second.

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<v Speaker 1>Getting ready for Olympics, eight years from now.

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<v Speaker 2>As for those wonderful Queenslanders that have been winning their

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<v Speaker 2>gold medals, many of them coming from the pool, all

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<v Speaker 2>of them of course taking strength from the beautiful sun

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<v Speaker 2>that exists north of the tweed.

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<v Speaker 1>As soon as you hit cool and gatter against golder

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<v Speaker 1>and golder, the more you go.

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<v Speaker 2>And that incredible performance of course in the BMX, which

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<v Speaker 2>is so cool that the story of that lady unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 1>Hopefully we get a.

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<v Speaker 2>Chance to talk to her when we're allowed to, and

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<v Speaker 2>channel Line doesn't own everything what she was able to do,

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<v Speaker 2>incredible getting over the incredible difficulties that she's had her

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<v Speaker 2>brother as well. But most importantly before I get to

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<v Speaker 2>all the other depressing stuff that's around today, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>a bit do Queensland.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>As you know, you who have been told many many

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<v Speaker 2>times by people in the United States, people who said

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<v Speaker 2>that Joe Biden was completely smart and up to it,

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<v Speaker 2>that their economy is amazing.

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<v Speaker 5>We've created more jobs, We've may run a situation where

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<v Speaker 5>people have access to good paying jobs. This last week

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<v Speaker 5>we saw the biggest jump in thirty years. And how

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<v Speaker 5>positive consumers are feeling about the economy, the unemployment rate

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<v Speaker 5>fell to three point four percent.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the lowest in fifty four years.

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<v Speaker 6>We came in office, and we knew because we.

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<v Speaker 7>Are of and care about the people as opposed to

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<v Speaker 7>the richest billionaires, which is who the former president gave

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<v Speaker 7>a tax cut to and then created one of the

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<v Speaker 7>largest deficits our country has ever seen.

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<v Speaker 1>Expect that for four more years.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, by the way, I'm not entirely sure he'specsal to

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<v Speaker 2>do this when you're public speaking, but whatever, Joe deserves

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<v Speaker 2>a spot on Mount Rushmore. Now, this is not about

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<v Speaker 2>American politics. It's about the global economy and its effects

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<v Speaker 2>on the Australian economy because anyone who watches the share

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<v Speaker 2>market knows there was a massive effect on the mean

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<v Speaker 2>suggestion that the the United States, despite all appearances, is

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<v Speaker 2>actually heading towards a recession.

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<v Speaker 1>One that they would hit in and around election day.

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<v Speaker 2>Now this matters because literally today the media, well it

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<v Speaker 2>hair was on fire because they're heading for a recession.

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<v Speaker 1>For fears of a recession in the US.

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<v Speaker 8>With fears the US is headed for recession, there's concerned

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<v Speaker 8>things could get worse before they get better.

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<v Speaker 3>Traders are reacting to fears there could be a recession

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<v Speaker 3>in the US.

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<v Speaker 2>So, yes, stock markets go up, they go down. Over

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<v Speaker 2>the long period of time, they generally go up. But

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<v Speaker 2>I am a financial planner and seek your individual advice

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever. The thing I legally have to say is,

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<v Speaker 2>but guess how much money was wiped off the Australian

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<v Speaker 2>stock exchange today on the fears of a recession.

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<v Speaker 1>In the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>Not five, not ten, not fifty, not seventy five, but

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred, one hundred b four billion dollars. It's more

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<v Speaker 2>than that over the past couple of days. And there

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<v Speaker 2>are huge problems ross green we can explain.

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<v Speaker 1>It better than me.

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<v Speaker 9>One hundred billion dollars or so I've been wiped from

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<v Speaker 9>the value of the Australian stock market.

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<v Speaker 2>And also the issues exist around the world. It isn't

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<v Speaker 2>just Australia and time zones. This problem, which normally can

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<v Speaker 2>say start in the United States and take its way

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<v Speaker 2>around for twenty four hours, well it's going global financial times.

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<v Speaker 2>Global share markets are tumbling. Al Jazeera says that Japan's

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<v Speaker 2>Nikeye has slumped the worst it's been since nineteen eighty seven.

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<v Speaker 2>Today's stock exchange, by the way, for was the worst

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<v Speaker 2>since the pandemic. London has gone down by more than

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<v Speaker 2>eight percent. European market's down by two and a half percent,

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<v Speaker 2>Banks in particular coppying a whack. Now, all of this

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<v Speaker 2>matters because, of course, all of your money, or a

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<v Speaker 2>big chunk of our moneys are linked in what happens

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<v Speaker 2>on the stock market with compulsitive superannuation. Part or all

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<v Speaker 2>of it, whether you're paying attention to it or not,

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<v Speaker 2>ends up being exposed to the stock market.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're planning to.

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<v Speaker 2>Retire in the next couple of weeks, this might be difficult.

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<v Speaker 2>If it's this year, it may be particularly difficult. It

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't matter in say, twenty years time. But we keep

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<v Speaker 2>being told how amazing and resilient and incredibly the American

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<v Speaker 2>economy is a little bit like we keep being told here,

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<v Speaker 2>So why is the recession talk taking place ross this report?

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<v Speaker 1>Right here?

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<v Speaker 9>The US Employment report was released Friday night, our time.

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<v Speaker 9>So the US unemployment rate it jumped to four point

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<v Speaker 9>three percent from four point one percent previously. The number

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<v Speaker 9>of unemployed people in America jump by three hundred and

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<v Speaker 9>fifty two thousand people to seven point two million. Now,

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<v Speaker 9>this was way outside any of the estimates. It's spooped

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<v Speaker 9>the markets big time.

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<v Speaker 2>Now this is a reminder about what is on the

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<v Speaker 2>line in November why it matters to us here in Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>The conversation about the horse race and the latest this

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<v Speaker 2>and that may bore you, but the consequences of whom

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<v Speaker 2>is in charge of the American economy matters to anyone

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<v Speaker 2>who gets to watch this in the United States on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 2>I have one question for you, who do you want

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<v Speaker 2>running your economy? A billionaire who did incredibly well in

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<v Speaker 2>his private wealth, but more importantly, was able to put

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<v Speaker 2>the country in a place where not just the country

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<v Speaker 2>was doing better, but individuals were doing better. Or the

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<v Speaker 2>vice president who says she has nothing to do with

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<v Speaker 2>the decisions of the current president, even though she should

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<v Speaker 2>be qualified to be the president because she's been the

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<v Speaker 2>vice president. Oh yeah, and she knows stuff like inflation.

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<v Speaker 7>Bread costs more, the gas costs more, and we have

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<v Speaker 7>to understand what that means. That's about the cost of

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<v Speaker 7>living going up. That's about having to stress and stretch

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<v Speaker 7>limited resources. That's about a source of stress for families

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<v Speaker 7>that is not only economic, but is on a daily level,

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<v Speaker 7>something that is a heavyweight to carry.

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<v Speaker 2>That person in charge of the American and thus global

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<v Speaker 2>economy for the next four years. Well, the final bit

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<v Speaker 2>of data I have for you is she is currently leading.

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<v Speaker 2>She is currently winning. Harris is now favored to get

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<v Speaker 2>the popular vote and to get the electoral College. Why

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<v Speaker 2>because Pennsylvania is starting to move in her direction. If

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<v Speaker 2>that's the case, good luck. It's going to be fun

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<v Speaker 2>ride when it comes to the economy. Oh but Donald

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<v Speaker 2>Trump says mean things. I'll take that over what might

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<v Speaker 2>be coming any day.

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<v Speaker 1>Now. Of course, the world has changed a lot over

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<v Speaker 1>the years.

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<v Speaker 2>It feels like it changes twenty years every two years.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's a long time ago when people were gathered

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<v Speaker 2>around the radio for the latest bit of information. I

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<v Speaker 2>do like them deliberately. Not only did we pick the

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<v Speaker 2>black and white photo, but we tried to find the

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<v Speaker 2>oldest people possible sitting around a radio a long time ago. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>that's from the National Museum. But of course, nowadays, plenty

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<v Speaker 2>of people getting their information in lots of different ways,

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<v Speaker 2>and lots of different ways. You may will be watching

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<v Speaker 2>this program, and of course many people do so via

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<v Speaker 2>their mobile phone. Speaking of did you know that Sky

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<v Speaker 2>News is a brand new app. In fact, it's available

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<v Speaker 2>right now with more details at skinnies dot com. That

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<v Speaker 2>are you and for as little as five dollars a month,

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<v Speaker 2>you can stream whatever you want when it comes to

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<v Speaker 2>the Sky News programming.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry back to the point, but of course.

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<v Speaker 2>We know that one of the biggest things that people

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<v Speaker 2>are doing with their phones is interacting on some level

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<v Speaker 2>with social media or with big tech companies. Now when

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<v Speaker 2>it comes to Facebook, their parent company is Meta, and

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<v Speaker 2>we know their attitude when it comes to Australia and

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<v Speaker 2>paying for Australian news, they of course are planning to

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<v Speaker 2>potentially block Australians from being able to have news on

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<v Speaker 2>the platform. The federal government is talking about potentially censoring

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<v Speaker 2>the Internet about what type of news that you can

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<v Speaker 2>see on places like Facebook, but you know nothing to

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<v Speaker 2>see here. Meantime, of course, we remember that before the

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty election, there was apparently a story which may

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<v Speaker 2>well have shifted about two three percent of people's votes

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<v Speaker 2>that would have been enough to get a different result,

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<v Speaker 2>and that of course was the Hunter Biden laptop.

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<v Speaker 1>Paul, this is old news. Why do you talk about it?

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<v Speaker 2>Because it doesn't matter what happens after they've blocked it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's their power to do things in the moment. It

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't matter who apologizes in two, three, four, six months

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<v Speaker 2>or a year's time. But of course, if you are

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<v Speaker 2>blocked about the information that you are able to see,

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<v Speaker 2>then it may well end up influencing your perception of

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<v Speaker 2>the world around you. Now, of course, Zuckerbird said that

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<v Speaker 2>it was nothing political as to why the Hunt laptop

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<v Speaker 2>was banned from Facebook or from Twitter, platform he does

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<v Speaker 2>not own.

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<v Speaker 1>But you get my point. Remember he told Joe Rogan.

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<v Speaker 2>That it was the FBI, the FBI who told him

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<v Speaker 2>to do it. So of course if the FBI says it,

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<v Speaker 2>it must be true. The intelligence agencies never get it wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll never try to get a political out come, do they.

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<v Speaker 2>And then, of course the laptop was always true. Miranda

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<v Speaker 2>Devines reporting on it was excellent. It was a disgrace

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<v Speaker 2>that it was hidden the way that it was, the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that the media didn't even talk about the hiding

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<v Speaker 2>because of course, all of it led to a potential

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<v Speaker 2>negative story for the person they were trying to get

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<v Speaker 2>up over the basement.

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<v Speaker 1>You get my point here, But.

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<v Speaker 2>Guess what was used in the criminal trial against Hunter

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<v Speaker 2>Biden when it came to his applying for a gun license.

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<v Speaker 2>Something eventually found was found guilty of the laptop. So

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<v Speaker 2>we knew the laptop was real in twenty and twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>We knew it in twenty one, they admitted it in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two, twenty three, they used it in evidence in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four. But again, the control of these mass platforms

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<v Speaker 2>is playing out in this American election, and there is

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<v Speaker 2>a connection to the Australian election. Again, two things can

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<v Speaker 2>be true at the same time. This iconic photo of

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump after being shot at is something that will

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<v Speaker 2>forever live as a moment of defiance from a man

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<v Speaker 2>who was at least a one term, potentially two term president.

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<v Speaker 2>But in the past week or so, that very image

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<v Speaker 2>has been in part censored or community noted or downplayed

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<v Speaker 2>in Google or Facebook. Why, oh, of course, we just

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<v Speaker 2>made a mistake. I know it had nothing to do

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<v Speaker 2>with the fact that his poll numbers went up after

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<v Speaker 2>the shooting. The iconic image shows that this was a

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<v Speaker 2>man who showed courage under fire. But let's start to

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<v Speaker 2>hide the image because we're now pushing Queen Kamala. But

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<v Speaker 2>then there's also Google. Now, Google, of course is not

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<v Speaker 2>just the way that people search for their information, but

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<v Speaker 2>there's connections to all other forms of social media. Their

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<v Speaker 2>parent company, Alphabet, is very familiar to Australians. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>when you go searching for something on the Internet, you

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<v Speaker 2>don't search, you Google it in the same way that

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<v Speaker 2>you don't drink a.

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<v Speaker 1>Soft drink you have a coke.

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<v Speaker 2>Ninety four percent of people, ninety four percent of people

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<v Speaker 2>when they go looking for something on the Internet will

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<v Speaker 2>do it through Google first, which means the results that

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<v Speaker 2>they send you are important. And we all have the

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<v Speaker 2>assumption that just naturally information in comes information back eh

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<v Speaker 2>algorithms finger on, the algorithm bias of the employees may

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<v Speaker 2>well be effect and the information that is coming back

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<v Speaker 2>to you. Again, there is a connection to the Australian

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<v Speaker 2>political system. I'll get to it in the moment. A

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<v Speaker 2>couple of years ago there was an ex Google engineer

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<v Speaker 2>who talked about the active bias inside the company, how

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<v Speaker 2>it affects itself, not just in the work ways that

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<v Speaker 2>it runs itself, but again sometimes how it fiddles with

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<v Speaker 2>the things you're able to see. Last week, if you

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<v Speaker 2>just typed in the word Donald Trump, is nothing came

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<v Speaker 2>up when it came to Google. Elon Musk pointed this

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<v Speaker 2>out as a major problem, but of course it was

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<v Speaker 2>all just a mistake again to rob people of information,

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<v Speaker 2>to shape people's information in the very vital couple of

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<v Speaker 2>weeks as they were transitioning from Biden to Harris. Nothing

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<v Speaker 2>to see here, of course, to mention, this is a

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<v Speaker 2>far right wing conspiracy.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's get to Australia. Is this stuff happening here?

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<v Speaker 1>The truth is that in.

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<v Speaker 2>The same way people blindly assume that Google is as

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<v Speaker 2>trustworthy as the Dewey decimal cards used to look for

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<v Speaker 2>in a library when you were at school, it ain't true.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, It's an incredible tool with great information that

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<v Speaker 2>will not at all be turned against me for pointing

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<v Speaker 2>these things out. But there was an interesting conversation that

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<v Speaker 2>a leading expert had with Alexantik, the Liberal Senator on

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<v Speaker 2>his podcast. Dr Robert Epstein is his name and the

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<v Speaker 2>behavioral psychologist. He says that he has quote no doubt

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<v Speaker 2>that Google is manipulating Australia's elections by subtlely biasing search engines.

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<v Speaker 2>He said in the podcast, Australia has no monitoring system,

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<v Speaker 2>the European Union no monitoring system. If anyone in Google

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<v Speaker 2>in Australia has any political interests in Australia, I have

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<v Speaker 2>no doubt, absolutely no doubt that they're manipulating your elections.

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<v Speaker 2>Now again, this is not a Google inside, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>behavioral psychologist. Google will of course, no doubt deny, but

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<v Speaker 2>still important to know because we're not all.

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<v Speaker 1>Sitting around the radio anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>We are getting our information from lots of different places,

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<v Speaker 2>in lots of different ways, and as we have seen,

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<v Speaker 2>we have a federal government that still is committed to

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<v Speaker 2>censoring the Internet.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, this.

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<v Speaker 2>Conversation right now, If a left wing fact check it

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<v Speaker 2>turns around advites anyone of it to be misinformation or

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<v Speaker 2>misleading or incorrect, then of course that is flagged.

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<v Speaker 1>That is flagged then.

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<v Speaker 2>By the Australian Communications and Media Authority, who are about

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<v Speaker 2>to be given the power to find a social media

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<v Speaker 2>company if they post an example this conversation happening right now,

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<v Speaker 2>because if misinformation remains on the platforms, then the Australian

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<v Speaker 2>federal government will find the social media companies until they

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<v Speaker 2>remove it. And of course what does every company do

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<v Speaker 2>well if they keep getting notices that the information coming

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<v Speaker 2>from a certain source has been defined by a left

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<v Speaker 2>wing think tank to be misinformation, and there's a fine

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<v Speaker 2>attach with it. Eventually you won't be able to post it,

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<v Speaker 2>you won't be able to see it, you won't be

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<v Speaker 2>able to share it. So you literally have a federal

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<v Speaker 2>government right now that wants to sense of the internet.

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<v Speaker 2>No one asks anyone about this every day, the Prime

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<v Speaker 2>Minister too, no questions about this, because of course the

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<v Speaker 2>assumption is this will only affect the right wing it

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<v Speaker 2>Sky News primetime, the evil people who push back against

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<v Speaker 2>the narratives. That's what we can see with our own eyes.

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<v Speaker 2>What can we not see when it comes to the

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<v Speaker 2>Google or Facebook algorithms. We know that when you start

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<v Speaker 2>to take some of the restrictions off, you get Twitter

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<v Speaker 2>and x and some people don't like that because they're

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<v Speaker 2>starting to see some of the stuff that will be

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<v Speaker 2>slowly but surely weed it out of the system to

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<v Speaker 2>make sure that it was a perfect lefty echo chamber.

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<v Speaker 2>This bloke continues in his conversation, though right at this minute,

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<v Speaker 2>Google is sending registered to vote reminders to members of

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<v Speaker 2>one political party, that being the Democrats, and two and

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<v Speaker 2>a half times they rate that they're sending those registered

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<v Speaker 2>reminders to Republicans, so put simply, they are saying, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>don't forget to vote. But they're telling Democrats more frequently

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<v Speaker 2>than they are, according to this bloke, to Republicans. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>we have a compulsory voting system, so don't need to

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<v Speaker 2>be reminded how to vote.

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<v Speaker 1>But what video goes to the top of search?

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<v Speaker 2>What story is the one that immediately comes up when

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<v Speaker 2>you say Peter Dutton?

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<v Speaker 1>Is all of it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Controlled by the faceless machine, right, final one from this bloke.

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<v Speaker 2>We know from very rigorous research that the go vote

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<v Speaker 2>reminder alone in the United States on election day can

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<v Speaker 2>easily send f one hundred and fifty thousand more votes

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<v Speaker 2>on that day to one candidate than the other. That's

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<v Speaker 2>going to happen in Australia too. Again, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>that's the case because compulsory voting, so they might be

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<v Speaker 2>guilty of the lily there.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is the point.

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<v Speaker 2>In the same way that media literacy means that people

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<v Speaker 2>are able to see a certain series of opinions or

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<v Speaker 2>biases in newspaper, television, radio coverage, the same exists on

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<v Speaker 2>the Internet. But the biases isn't from the author, it's

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<v Speaker 2>from the person who is putting it up, from the

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<v Speaker 2>person who is helping take you to the articles. But

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<v Speaker 2>a government that is wanting to censor the Internet on

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<v Speaker 2>top of whatever it might be happening behind the scenes

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<v Speaker 2>is frightening. But of course Peter Dunn's the problem. This

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<v Speaker 2>week the Reserve Bank will have yet another meeting. The

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<v Speaker 2>expectation is that fingers crossed, they will not be raising

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<v Speaker 2>interest rates. But of course people want fingers crossed right

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<v Speaker 2>now because the interest rates under Albow and Charmers have

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<v Speaker 2>gone through the roof. People are genuinely concerned because the

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<v Speaker 2>reality is and look, let's just look at the data

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<v Speaker 2>here and I'll tell you what I drove out all

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<v Speaker 2>the stops on this graph, I'm using one from SBS,

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<v Speaker 2>but I just added a little bit here in blue.

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<v Speaker 2>Since the Labor Party took over, there have been twelve

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<v Speaker 2>interrastrate rises. It stayed level, but it stayed level at

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<v Speaker 2>a really high level for a really long period of time.

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<v Speaker 1>Drink that in.

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<v Speaker 2>Will come up with a prettier version when we use

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<v Speaker 2>the common sixty four to come up with one later.

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<v Speaker 2>But have a look at that one interstrate rise under

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<v Speaker 2>this previous government twelve under this one. Ah, but trust us,

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<v Speaker 2>we know what we're doing when it comes to the economy.

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned this last night, but there's a chance you

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<v Speaker 2>weren't watching on a Sunday night. You should always be

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<v Speaker 2>here on a Sunday night.

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<v Speaker 1>But how's this.

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<v Speaker 2>The average Australian that is paying off a mortgage is

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<v Speaker 2>having to find tens of thousands of dollars more than

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<v Speaker 2>when Labour took over and twelve interestrate rises have taken

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<v Speaker 2>place since now. Interest rate rises have sunk political parties

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<v Speaker 2>in the past, but because of course, most of the

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<v Speaker 2>bubble wants to protect the bubble and pretend that the government,

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<v Speaker 2>who is one hundred percent responsible for the good economic news,

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<v Speaker 2>is one hundred percent not responsible for the bad economic news. Hence,

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<v Speaker 2>why the fear is that if the interest rates go

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<v Speaker 2>up that people will finally actually wake up that maybe

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<v Speaker 2>changing the jockey didn't change the direction of the horse.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, it's the jockey who ended up causing way

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<v Speaker 2>more trouble. Mortgages have gone up one hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 2>four dollars a day since this government came to power,

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<v Speaker 2>and these numbers are based just in the past twelve months,

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<v Speaker 2>not in the past two years. Ahead of a critical

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<v Speaker 2>meeting of the Reserve Bank. Figures from the Australian Bureau

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<v Speaker 2>Statistics released on Friday.

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<v Speaker 1>Age is how funny it came out on a Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>They show the average mortgages increased by fifty six thousand dollars,

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<v Speaker 2>or as Channel nine put it, forty five percent of

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<v Speaker 2>people's incomes are currently going on loans, so more of

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<v Speaker 2>it than ever before, with less money coming through the door.

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<v Speaker 2>This is why it will become a massive political problem.

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<v Speaker 1>And why people are going policeplicly. Please don't raise the rates.

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<v Speaker 2>But the Reserve Bank has a right to raise the

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<v Speaker 2>interest rates because the inflation rate, which is supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>between two and three, is now closer to four than

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<v Speaker 2>it is to three, at three point eight percent last

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<v Speaker 2>month on the monthly inflation figures. Sorry the month before

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<v Speaker 2>in May that we got four percent, So inflation's starting

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<v Speaker 2>to go back up. It could, of course, have nothing

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<v Speaker 2>to do with the way the federal government is managing

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<v Speaker 2>our finances. No, no, it's all global right, I know,

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<v Speaker 2>that's right. The United States has a lower inflation rate,

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<v Speaker 2>yet it's the number one issue in the election. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>until of course the algorithms kicking. One of the many

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<v Speaker 2>reasons was of this change of government in the UK

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<v Speaker 2>was because of their inflation rate.

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<v Speaker 1>It's lower than ours two.

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<v Speaker 2>But amazingly even then, the people who would like to

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<v Speaker 2>look the other way every now and then, if you

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<v Speaker 2>go digging deep enough or they can't deny the reality

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<v Speaker 2>that is the economy right now for people who are

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<v Speaker 2>your average Australian. Even in the media that you pay for,

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<v Speaker 2>whether you watch it or not, like the ABC it

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<v Speaker 2>reported today, why headline inflation numbers are masking a confronting

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<v Speaker 2>financial reality facing most households.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me explain it to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Here are simple, brutal numbers behind why people are hurting.

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<v Speaker 2>In May twenty twenty two, the Reserve being started hiking

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<v Speaker 2>rates one under the previous government, twelve under this government.

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<v Speaker 2>In the nine quarters since then, the consumer price index

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<v Speaker 2>has risen at an average of five point six percent,

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<v Speaker 2>peaking at seven point eight percent. But while the price

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<v Speaker 2>of things that you need to live is increased, your

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<v Speaker 2>wages haven't. Prices have risen far faster than incomes, which

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<v Speaker 2>means people are going backwards. Because people are going backwards,

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<v Speaker 2>not to mention on the stuff that you buy, but the.

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<v Speaker 1>Cost of the loan that you took out. People struggle.

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<v Speaker 2>But of course don't expect a prime minister to understand that,

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<v Speaker 2>because not only is he in the rarefied air of

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<v Speaker 2>two free houses paid for by us, one in Sydney,

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<v Speaker 2>one in Canberra, the lodgical Curabilly house. Remember he got

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<v Speaker 2>a pay rise. He now ends more than six hundred

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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars it. By the way, there was the third

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<v Speaker 2>pay rise since he became Prime minister. Don't expect most

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<v Speaker 2>MPs to understand why, because budget they too have been

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<v Speaker 2>given thousands of dollars in the second biggest pay rise

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<v Speaker 2>in a decade that was in June of this year.

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<v Speaker 2>The biggest pay rise in a decade had actually taken

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<v Speaker 2>place also in this term of office, in fact, more

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<v Speaker 2>than a year after the Labour Party had taken power.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course, ultimately the Governor.

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<v Speaker 2>General who's above politics, isn't she, Well, she wouldn't understand

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<v Speaker 2>either why. Firstly, she too has two free homes right

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<v Speaker 2>next door to the Prime Minister's.

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<v Speaker 1>Home in Sydney that'll be convenient, and of course at

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<v Speaker 1>Canberra where it's a much.

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<v Speaker 2>Nicer house than the Prime Minister's well, she of course

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<v Speaker 2>got a two hundred thousand dollars pay rise and now

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<v Speaker 2>gets paid seven hundred thousand dollars. So while you go backwards,

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<v Speaker 2>and while the choke is tighter and tighter and tighter,

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<v Speaker 2>and the home loan is fifty six thousand dollars higher

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<v Speaker 2>than it was twelve months ago, let alone when they

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<v Speaker 2>took power.

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<v Speaker 1>If tomorrow or later.

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<v Speaker 2>When the decision is made, the Reserve Bank does not

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<v Speaker 2>raise interest rates. Ignore anyone who tells you relief for homeowners.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no relief. You're still being choked within an inch

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<v Speaker 2>of your financial life life. Collectively, the average Australian resembles

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<v Speaker 2>the same color of deep purple of a rabina bottle

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of how much pressure they are under right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet this government, of course will turn around and use

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<v Speaker 2>headline numbers and core inflation not reality for Australians.

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<v Speaker 1>They promised a better world. It didn't get better.

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<v Speaker 2>It got worse, demonstrably worse, a dozen times worse if

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<v Speaker 2>you're trying to pay off a house. As for the

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<v Speaker 2>Prime Minister's focus today in canber As you may will

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<v Speaker 2>have heard, they have now raised the official terrorism rate

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<v Speaker 2>from possible to probable.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the Prime Minister explaining.

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<v Speaker 10>Why Ajiao has decided to return Australia's national terrorism threat

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<v Speaker 10>level from possible to probable. And it does not mean

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<v Speaker 10>there is intelligence about an imminent threat or danger. But

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<v Speaker 10>the advice that we've received is that more Australians are

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<v Speaker 10>embracing a more diverse range of extreme ideologies and it

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<v Speaker 10>is our responsibility to be vigilant.

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<v Speaker 1>The ASIO boss explained.

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<v Speaker 11>Why politically motivated violence encompasses terrorism, but is broader than that.

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<v Speaker 11>It covers any violent act or any violent threat intended

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<v Speaker 11>or likely to achieve a political objective. This includes violent

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<v Speaker 11>protest right or an attack on a politician or our

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<v Speaker 11>democratic institutions. This trend increased during COVID, gained further momentum

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<v Speaker 11>after the terrorist attacks in Israel, and accelerated during Israel's

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<v Speaker 11>military response.

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<v Speaker 1>A wide array of ideological issues. As for the Prime Minister,

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<v Speaker 1>what is the difference between possible and probable?

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<v Speaker 10>This is the same threat level that was in place

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<v Speaker 10>in Australia for more than eight years before it was

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<v Speaker 10>lowered in November of twenty and twenty two. Since them,

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<v Speaker 10>we've seen a globe will rise in politically motivated violence

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<v Speaker 10>and extremism. Governments around the world are concerned about youth radicalization,

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<v Speaker 10>online radicalization, and the rise of new mixed ideologies.

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<v Speaker 2>Mixed ideologies pull your Punch's prime in mister well, too little,

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<v Speaker 2>too late, possible to probable now possible would have covered

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<v Speaker 2>And I think which took place last week and is

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<v Speaker 2>currently before the court saw I'm limited about what I

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<v Speaker 2>can say here, but it involved Westfield Miranda in Sydney,

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<v Speaker 2>where a man had allegedly planned a terrorist attack.

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<v Speaker 1>Then of course there's the.

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<v Speaker 2>Stuff that has happened, so it's not possible, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>probable it happened, like the stabbing of the church in

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<v Speaker 2>western Sydney where the priest ended up losing an eye.

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<v Speaker 2>What do I have to say, allegedly lost to eight

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but apparently the allegedlies have to be

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<v Speaker 2>thrown in mere.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Then of course there's the teenagers who were arrested after

0:27:04.359 --> 0:27:09.719
<v Speaker 2>that happened, where the claim was I want to do

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<v Speaker 2>g hard what a citting team accused of terror offenses

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<v Speaker 2>was allegedly messaging.

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<v Speaker 1>So I love when they turn around and say, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>possible probable.

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<v Speaker 2>What about this has happened, has happened this year? And yes,

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<v Speaker 2>there's plenty of examples of the far right and the

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<v Speaker 2>meeting on Australia Day, And I'm not going to pretend

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<v Speaker 2>to gloss over all of that. We talk about it

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<v Speaker 2>because it's the reality of the threat to Australians, But

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<v Speaker 2>spare me possible and probable. It's happened, The radicalization is happening.

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<v Speaker 2>The crazy stuff that bubbles up on the Internet that

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<v Speaker 2>we end up being able.

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<v Speaker 1>To show you has happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, but it's all still possible and probable, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>mixed ideologies. Dave sharmannled it today when he was talking

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<v Speaker 2>with Chris Kenny.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, he of the.

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<v Speaker 12>Opposition, inflammatory provocative behaviors are becoming normalized. This is part

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<v Speaker 12>of his warning about raising the threat level here in Australia.

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<v Speaker 12>But he made that point that inflammatory, provocative behaviors are

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<v Speaker 12>becoming normalized. Why are they becoming normalized? Why is that

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<v Speaker 12>the case? Well, because they're being tolerated, because people aren't

0:28:25.080 --> 0:28:28.959
<v Speaker 12>getting arrested, because people aren't being charged, because police are

0:28:29.000 --> 0:28:31.159
<v Speaker 12>not preventing these things or acting on it. Because our

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<v Speaker 12>political leaders are failing to set the time which they

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<v Speaker 12>should have been setting early on.

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<v Speaker 2>And just a little side note speaking of the Prime

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<v Speaker 2>Minister today, of course he was all trying to thump

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<v Speaker 2>his chest about possible versus probable versus it's actually happened, sir,

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<v Speaker 2>It is happening, sir. Well, you got a little cranky

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<v Speaker 2>today when normally one of.

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<v Speaker 1>The loyal soldiers decided not to.

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<v Speaker 2>Play along in the fashion of which a loyal soldier

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<v Speaker 2>must play along, someone from the Turmbul Times decided to

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<v Speaker 2>ask question that he didn't want to talk about because

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't on the topic of what you wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>Have a look, are caps not a total man?

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<v Speaker 7>The government's preferred solution to get caps?

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<v Speaker 11>Can we can stick to this this stage it's a

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<v Speaker 11>press conference.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's fine, but I'll come back to your paul.

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<v Speaker 10>I have a better respect.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you here in any particular gruson.

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<v Speaker 1>Good do not. You're not here to ask me questions.

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<v Speaker 2>We're here to play a little game where we pretend

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<v Speaker 2>you ask me questions.

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<v Speaker 1>If you ask a question out of order, what's wrong

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<v Speaker 1>with you? Sorry, sir.

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<v Speaker 2>As for another concern that is rolling around in the

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<v Speaker 2>Turnbull times about whether or not this government is walking

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<v Speaker 2>away from its promise around a truth and Reconciliation Commission

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<v Speaker 2>otherwise known as a Macarata commission, one of they, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>have already put into a budget for the past two years.

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<v Speaker 2>The Prime Minister yesterday was slowly inching away after you know,

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<v Speaker 2>sixty percent of the country said no to the voice.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, but that's not what we have proposed.

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<v Speaker 10>What we're proposed is Makarada just being the idea of

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<v Speaker 10>coming together.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah.

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<v Speaker 2>But you see, the great Leader didn't really mean what

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<v Speaker 2>he said, says the Minister, who apparently knows what he

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<v Speaker 2>was really thinking as opposed to what he was really saying.

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<v Speaker 8>We are not moving away from our commitment to the

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<v Speaker 8>Ularu statement from the heart. The interpretation of what the

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<v Speaker 8>Prime Minister said has been taken completely further than what

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<v Speaker 8>it was meant to.

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<v Speaker 2>She knows more than the Prime Minister, doesn't she How

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<v Speaker 2>long has she been in the job for oh less

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<v Speaker 2>than a week. Let's talk about what's happening in the UK.

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<v Speaker 2>This is disgraceful, disgusting, it's not acceptable, it's not okay.

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<v Speaker 2>It is not on There is no shadow language, there's

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<v Speaker 2>no halfway housing on this stuff. The writing that is

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<v Speaker 2>taking place in the UK is a disgrace. It is

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<v Speaker 2>not acceptable. It is disgusting. The injuring of police not acceptable.

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<v Speaker 2>When it happens in other areas, other times, other protests

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<v Speaker 2>it was equally disgusting as it has been right now.

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<v Speaker 2>The new British Prime Minister says is going to go

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<v Speaker 2>hard against these people.

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<v Speaker 13>I utterly condemn the far right thuggery we've seen this weekend.

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<v Speaker 13>Be in no doubt those that have participated in this

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<v Speaker 13>violence will face the full force of the law. I

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<v Speaker 13>guarantee you will regret taking part in this disorder, whether

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<v Speaker 13>directly or those whipping up this action online.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, it's not about left wing right wing in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of your politics.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not about whether you are Team Red, Team Blue,

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<v Speaker 2>Team Reform, Team One Nation, Team Greens, whatever you happen

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<v Speaker 2>to be between Australia and the United Kingdom. It's not acceptable,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not okay, it's not tolerated. Two things are going

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<v Speaker 2>to be true at the same time. You can have

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<v Speaker 2>a whole bunch of thoughts and issues on a whole

0:31:50.160 --> 0:31:52.520
<v Speaker 2>collection of other things. An absolute condemnation for the people

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<v Speaker 2>who have decided to turn this violent.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, the most recent version of this or started

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of days ago, all in relation to a

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen year old who had been charged with the stabbing

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<v Speaker 2>murder of just.

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<v Speaker 1>Three little girls.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a memorial shortly after, and shortly after the memorial,

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<v Speaker 2>well the nonsense began. And I say nonsense not in

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<v Speaker 2>a polite kind way, but just as a different way

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<v Speaker 2>of saying the same thing. People going after people because

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<v Speaker 2>of their race or allegedly because of where they've come from.

0:32:22.960 --> 0:32:25.080
<v Speaker 2>Prime Minister has had to make a second speech in

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<v Speaker 2>and around all of this, suggesting that the people involved

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<v Speaker 2>in all of this are not just thugs but also

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<v Speaker 2>sort of akin to soccer hooligans. They must be ridded

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<v Speaker 2>from the public square after yet another series of rights.

0:32:36.960 --> 0:32:39.200
<v Speaker 2>This time they went after people who had yes illegally

0:32:39.320 --> 0:32:43.360
<v Speaker 2>entered the country and were ending up in hotels. But

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<v Speaker 2>again still none of that as any sort of justification

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<v Speaker 2>in any way, shape or form.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not okay, It is not acceptable. It is

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<v Speaker 1>not an on. There is no gray area, there is

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<v Speaker 1>no middle area.

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<v Speaker 2>I look forward to talking about this because he's a

0:32:54.640 --> 0:32:56.360
<v Speaker 2>bloke who of course has been twisted all of his

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<v Speaker 2>words in a lot of different directions with Niga Farash

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<v Speaker 2>will do that tomorrow night, make sure that you hear.

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<v Speaker 2>And one last thing about the American situation. I'll make

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<v Speaker 2>Kamala Harris now leading in the polls, the one who

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<v Speaker 2>looks like she is on her pathway towards the presidency,

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<v Speaker 2>powered by a whole series of memes, of course, not

0:33:13.880 --> 0:33:17.720
<v Speaker 2>answering a single question, no press conference, no interviews, no

0:33:17.840 --> 0:33:21.000
<v Speaker 2>speeches that go longer than about fifteen minutes. And as

0:33:21.000 --> 0:33:23.760
<v Speaker 2>you know right now, where the collective media is gushing

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<v Speaker 2>over Obama in a pants suit.

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<v Speaker 14>She's gone from cringe to cool.

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<v Speaker 7>Democrats were depressed, demoralized, and divided.

0:33:33.320 --> 0:33:37.600
<v Speaker 9>Tonight their new presidential candidate is giving them unity, energy,

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<v Speaker 9>and most of all, hope.

0:33:39.360 --> 0:33:42.520
<v Speaker 7>Trump's opponent, Kamala Harris is having what could be called,

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<v Speaker 7>even impartially a banner week.

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<v Speaker 3>The momentum for Kamala Harris is potent like nothing many

0:33:49.240 --> 0:33:50.640
<v Speaker 3>of us have ever seen.

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<v Speaker 1>She's going to be amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>She's inflation. She knows what she told me. It's amazing. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>remember when the left took the piss out of Kamala Harris,

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<v Speaker 2>not in twenty nineteen, when of course she was running

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<v Speaker 2>for president, Not in twenty twenty, when she of course

0:34:07.160 --> 0:34:11.400
<v Speaker 2>didn't get any votes to become the candidate or the

0:34:11.480 --> 0:34:15.960
<v Speaker 2>vice presidential nominee. Not in twenty one or twenty two

0:34:16.320 --> 0:34:19.640
<v Speaker 2>or twenty three this year. In fact, just two months ago,

0:34:20.120 --> 0:34:23.280
<v Speaker 2>the left was taking the proverbial out of Kamala Harris

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<v Speaker 2>with her sort of.

0:34:25.800 --> 0:34:30.240
<v Speaker 1>California psychic routine, talking about.

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<v Speaker 6>The significance of the passage of time, right, the significance

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<v Speaker 6>of the passage of time. So when you think about it,

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<v Speaker 6>there is great significance to the passage of time.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, she was a little bit deep, she was

0:34:43.760 --> 0:34:46.440
<v Speaker 1>a little bit you know, dream capture.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was the Daily Show who had assumed that

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<v Speaker 2>this person who's going to go out with Biden and

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<v Speaker 2>not to be the second coming of political.

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<v Speaker 1>Saviors. This is what they were joking about two months ago.

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<v Speaker 15>My name is Dahlia Rose Hibiscus and I am Vice

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<v Speaker 15>President Kamala Harris's holistic thought advisor. What is a holistic

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<v Speaker 15>thought advisor? It's holistic, yes, and I am advising.

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<v Speaker 1>And what do we mean when we say that.

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<v Speaker 15>It means that I am the one by whom the

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<v Speaker 15>thoughts are being advised from a place of advisement, and then,

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<v Speaker 15>once advised, communicated holistically.

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<v Speaker 2>Funny then funny, now true, then true now no matter

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<v Speaker 2>what's been they want to put on it. We want

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<v Speaker 2>to see your un Pulmurray live debate for the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of the night. Looking forward to seeing you at any time.

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<v Speaker 2>Send me name my Poults gottnews dot com dot I

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<v Speaker 2>you how goods are not going to be? Sam Crosby

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<v Speaker 2>and I already and I was inspiring during the break.

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<v Speaker 2>We're ready to go, ready to fire up, sir, looking forward,

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Loving to be here and lovely. Matt Canavan

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<v Speaker 2>of course joins us as well. He's in the He

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<v Speaker 2>is in his own sort of version of the man

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<v Speaker 2>cave wherever happens to be. But where you tonight.

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<v Speaker 3>Mate, mate, beautiful Brice Vegas Gold queens you're already miss.

0:36:07.400 --> 0:36:08.800
<v Speaker 1>Home gold medal winning.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly mate, exactly what we do with that Queensland.

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<v Speaker 2>I do love a parochial story, and particularly the one

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<v Speaker 2>same Queensland. If it was a country, would be doing

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<v Speaker 2>better than others. And you know, a per capita, it's

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<v Speaker 2>the second goal.

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<v Speaker 1>I love I love it. I love it all. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>let's get to the series.

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<v Speaker 2>So the Prime Minister today follows Asia's advice, which says,

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<v Speaker 2>we changed the threat level from possible to problem. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I repeat what I said a couple of seconds ago,

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<v Speaker 2>and I want to see what your response to it is, Sam,

0:36:34.480 --> 0:36:39.440
<v Speaker 2>which is okay, when the priest was stabbed in Western

0:36:39.440 --> 0:36:43.080
<v Speaker 2>Sydney and multiple people were arrested in and around terror planning,

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<v Speaker 2>that's when this should have happened, right. Why because it

0:36:46.000 --> 0:36:49.960
<v Speaker 2>happened right? We've seen multiple examples and yes, again not

0:36:49.960 --> 0:36:51.920
<v Speaker 2>going to pretend and for the people that are half listening,

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<v Speaker 2>And I have to do this stuff because if I don't,

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<v Speaker 2>somebody will run of after the umpire and misinformation. I

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<v Speaker 2>am aware of the issues that are existing in the

0:37:00.360 --> 0:37:02.040
<v Speaker 2>far right. We've talked about him on the show. I've

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned them before. But why today?

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<v Speaker 1>Why do you think.

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<v Speaker 2>Today, Sam, is the day that this all comes out? When,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, remember it was October eighth last year when

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<v Speaker 2>Where's the Jews was being screened out the front of

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<v Speaker 2>the opera house.

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<v Speaker 16>Yeah, there's no doubt that this has been coming for

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<v Speaker 16>a while. And if you watched Mike Burger's press conference,

0:37:24.960 --> 0:37:26.879
<v Speaker 16>he was certainly saying it was coming from everywhere. Yes

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<v Speaker 16>it was on the right, Yes it was on the left,

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<v Speaker 16>Yes it was Israel, Palestine. It's coming from everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean.

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<v Speaker 16>The thing about what he was attributing it to for

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<v Speaker 16>me was and you know, we're learning every day about

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<v Speaker 16>the impact that COVID and the shutdowns had in a

0:37:43.560 --> 0:37:46.440
<v Speaker 16>long run thing. But you know, he was saying a

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<v Speaker 16>lot of this was happening to young men sitting at

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<v Speaker 16>home in their bedroom, completely cut off from the world,

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<v Speaker 16>completely cut off from social interaction, in getting radicalized, you know,

0:37:56.560 --> 0:37:59.239
<v Speaker 16>groomed by these guys sitting in some cave, you know,

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<v Speaker 16>common as away.

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<v Speaker 2>And to that point, remember who took the shot at Trump,

0:38:04.360 --> 0:38:07.480
<v Speaker 2>young bloke in his twenties, right, who's the person accused

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<v Speaker 2>of the bishop stabbing?

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<v Speaker 1>Of course again, young person.

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<v Speaker 2>Who are the people who are constantly being pulled up

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<v Speaker 2>at the moment for planning young people and by the way,

0:38:15.680 --> 0:38:17.680
<v Speaker 2>homegrown right born here.

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<v Speaker 1>Of our societies. Yet someone is getting to them.

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<v Speaker 2>And Matt, this is really important, right because again I

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<v Speaker 2>know there's a really easy conversation here, which is, well, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, why not name what the ideology? Okay, let's just

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<v Speaker 1>get to the reality today.

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<v Speaker 2>If they decided to change the traffic light, why wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>it changed the day when where's the Jews is being

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<v Speaker 2>screamed out? Or why wasn't it done on the day

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<v Speaker 2>where the bishop loses his eye, Or why wasn't it

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<v Speaker 2>done on the day where the hate preachers are ripping around?

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<v Speaker 1>Why is it today?

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<v Speaker 3>Look, I don't know, Paul, and I'm not necessarily sure

0:38:54.080 --> 0:38:58.000
<v Speaker 3>there is a conspiracy about the timing, because whatever the timing,

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<v Speaker 3>it's greatly embarrassing for or the Albanesi government and their

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<v Speaker 3>approach on these issues in recent time. Maybe there was

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<v Speaker 3>a delay in it because it was embarrassing they just

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<v Speaker 3>couldn't delay it any longer.

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<v Speaker 14>But I don't know. I don't know. I think the bigger.

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<v Speaker 3>Material issue here is that for the past year the

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<v Speaker 3>Albanesi government has been obsessed and distracted with this issue

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<v Speaker 3>of so called far right extremism, clearly for their own

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<v Speaker 3>base political purposes.

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<v Speaker 14>They're pushing that agenda.

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<v Speaker 3>They're actually having a full on Senate inquiry at the

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<v Speaker 3>moment into far right extremism. They've kind of put that

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<v Speaker 3>under the doner at the moment. They're not publicizing that

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<v Speaker 3>much but they announced late last year a full on

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<v Speaker 3>Senate inquiry a far right extremism. We at the time,

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<v Speaker 3>the coalition at the time tried to expand the terms

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<v Speaker 3>of reference for that inquiry to include all types of extremism,

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<v Speaker 3>including of course Islamic extremism, and the government used their

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<v Speaker 3>numbers to deny that request. And so they've been show

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<v Speaker 3>up here to be completely missing the plot on this.

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<v Speaker 14>The threat level has been raised.

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<v Speaker 3>It's clearly that threat level is at least in part,

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<v Speaker 3>probably mostly in part because of extremism flying out of

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<v Speaker 3>the conflict in the Middle East, the issues of radical Islam,

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<v Speaker 3>and the government has been completely distracted and missed the

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<v Speaker 3>ball on this one.

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<v Speaker 2>Well and again right now we'll say the UK conversation

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<v Speaker 2>for a little bit later and with specificity with nigenal morror.

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<v Speaker 2>But again, if the concept is that one thing triggers

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<v Speaker 2>another thing, which is potential here right about sort of,

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<v Speaker 2>none of that is acceptable right the initial yet and

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<v Speaker 2>the violent response is not acceptable either. So we'll wait

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<v Speaker 2>and watching the next of the while. But Sam, you

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<v Speaker 2>were giggling at my suggestion that perhaps Google may will

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<v Speaker 2>fiddle with things when it comes to a leg.

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<v Speaker 16>I was laughing out loud.

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<v Speaker 14>I was laughing at it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think there's any form in the past. There's

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<v Speaker 2>no form in the past, including last week about the

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<v Speaker 2>censoring of the image of Donald Trump being after being shot.

0:40:57.320 --> 0:41:00.080
<v Speaker 2>That there's no proof around Hunter Biden laptop, that there

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<v Speaker 2>is no proof around the people who.

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<v Speaker 16>Work for Google has to put out incredibly clear directives

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<v Speaker 16>if they're going to do, you know, any intervention in

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<v Speaker 16>their search search engine algorithm. Coming onto this show, Coming

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<v Speaker 16>onto this show, I did three searches on Bing and

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<v Speaker 16>I did three searches on Google. Got the same things

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<v Speaker 16>on very political matters.

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<v Speaker 2>Kamala Harris, is you're some Microsoft your what about duck

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<v Speaker 2>duck go?

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<v Speaker 1>What did that come up?

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<v Speaker 14>You're different between Seattle and Silicon Valley.

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<v Speaker 16>Your earlier point, Paul about the Google giving x number

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<v Speaker 16>more eight times more notifications to Democrat It wasn't My

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<v Speaker 16>point was carrying the sure But does age not get

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<v Speaker 16>not come into that? Did they exclude age in that?

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<v Speaker 16>I mean, obviously you would be encouraging young people to

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<v Speaker 16>go and register to vote more than you would old people.

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<v Speaker 16>And therefore, yes, Republican voters are older than Democratic voters.

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<v Speaker 14>You explained the Donald Trump searches. Have you seen those?

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<v Speaker 14>I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>Donald Trump. I mean it's been well publicized. You might

0:42:11.440 --> 0:42:14.400
<v Speaker 3>have missed it. It might have missed it, but we

0:42:14.520 --> 0:42:17.239
<v Speaker 3>switched for Donald Trump. When you search for Donald Trump,

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<v Speaker 3>it wouldn't it on Google. On Google Search, if you

0:42:19.640 --> 0:42:22.200
<v Speaker 3>search for Donald Trump, it wouldn't bring up his name

0:42:22.960 --> 0:42:26.120
<v Speaker 3>in auto correct, bring up Donald Duck and not Donald Trump.

0:42:26.280 --> 0:42:28.120
<v Speaker 3>And then in fact, if you did finally get to

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<v Speaker 3>search for him, it'd bring up news about Carmela Harris

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<v Speaker 3>and about how great Harris.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, God.

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<v Speaker 14>Down the I'm going to partly agree with you.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to partly agree with you that I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>so sure there's that much being done to Australian politics

0:42:42.600 --> 0:42:44.560
<v Speaker 3>where I think we might be over inflating our own

0:42:44.640 --> 0:42:47.759
<v Speaker 3>egos here. And I don't know if the big tech

0:42:47.800 --> 0:42:51.040
<v Speaker 3>bros of Silicon Value that focused on Anthony Albernezi right now.

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<v Speaker 3>There's no doubt this happens in the US itself. There's many,

0:42:53.920 --> 0:42:56.880
<v Speaker 3>many examples of it. In saying that that the there

0:42:56.960 --> 0:42:59.440
<v Speaker 3>is some consequential impacts on our own politics. At a

0:42:59.440 --> 0:43:04.160
<v Speaker 3>different time, Skott News was demonetized by Google by YouTube

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<v Speaker 3>for its statement.

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<v Speaker 2>The federal government is introducing the system which will eventually

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<v Speaker 2>and I think.

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<v Speaker 14>Gets banned absolutely wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>It has defined but check Paul.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm against that, but at least that's a sovereign and

0:43:19.320 --> 0:43:24.240
<v Speaker 3>elected government here. I'm completely against a foreign, foreign based

0:43:24.960 --> 0:43:29.360
<v Speaker 3>multimedia companies, massive media companies now having any control or

0:43:29.400 --> 0:43:33.640
<v Speaker 3>censorship over Australian political discussion. And I'm not saying it's

0:43:33.760 --> 0:43:36.680
<v Speaker 3>central to our political debate. I think it's impacting election results,

0:43:37.000 --> 0:43:40.080
<v Speaker 3>but it is having some impact at the margins, and

0:43:40.120 --> 0:43:42.080
<v Speaker 3>that's not right. I think we should be in control

0:43:42.080 --> 0:43:44.120
<v Speaker 3>of the political discussion this country and not foreigns.

0:43:44.280 --> 0:43:48.000
<v Speaker 2>And again, Sam, what I did not say, are you suggesting?

0:43:48.040 --> 0:43:49.759
<v Speaker 2>But I make it very clear for the person who's

0:43:49.800 --> 0:43:52.360
<v Speaker 2>job is the ABC to transcribe everything I've just been saying,

0:43:53.320 --> 0:43:55.440
<v Speaker 2>do not suggest about the outcome of elections.

0:43:55.440 --> 0:43:55.759
<v Speaker 1>I did not.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just about the concept of this is a source

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<v Speaker 2>of information and do you trust it in the way

0:44:01.680 --> 0:44:04.600
<v Speaker 2>that people have come to trust it because it is

0:44:05.480 --> 0:44:08.560
<v Speaker 2>the go to right, I'm not entirely convinced I'm asking

0:44:08.560 --> 0:44:10.960
<v Speaker 2>a question, but God forbid, all right, I look forward

0:44:10.960 --> 0:44:13.600
<v Speaker 2>to the fact checking of the fact check conversation because

0:44:13.640 --> 0:44:15.319
<v Speaker 2>we know what rabbit hole that is quick break back

0:44:15.360 --> 0:44:18.960
<v Speaker 2>with more round two next after Sam won? That's so easily,

0:44:19.000 --> 0:44:22.680
<v Speaker 2>didn't he I want to sec your inport of life.

0:44:26.360 --> 0:44:28.600
<v Speaker 2>All right, two big brains who would love to talk

0:44:28.600 --> 0:44:30.960
<v Speaker 2>about American politics far longer than I give them the

0:44:31.080 --> 0:44:33.399
<v Speaker 2>chance to. But let us get into it right now

0:44:33.400 --> 0:44:37.080
<v Speaker 2>with Matt Canavan and of course with Sam Crosby. Matt,

0:44:37.120 --> 0:44:39.000
<v Speaker 2>it feels like, well, the data is out there, we

0:44:39.040 --> 0:44:41.640
<v Speaker 2>have hit the tipping point where Harris is now leading.

0:44:42.200 --> 0:44:44.840
<v Speaker 2>The assumption is that she is in that position because

0:44:45.239 --> 0:44:48.319
<v Speaker 2>the key state of Pennsylvania has now started to flip. Now,

0:44:48.440 --> 0:44:50.680
<v Speaker 2>as somebody would like to see Trump get up, what

0:44:50.680 --> 0:44:53.879
<v Speaker 2>would you like to see him do? My suggestion, talk

0:44:53.920 --> 0:44:56.880
<v Speaker 2>about the damn issues where he's twenty points in front,

0:44:56.960 --> 0:45:01.080
<v Speaker 2>inflation and immigration. Instead she's cruising. What do you think?

0:45:04.160 --> 0:45:07.399
<v Speaker 3>Oh, look, mate, I haven't changed what I thought last week.

0:45:07.440 --> 0:45:08.919
<v Speaker 3>And there's a lot of noise, a lot of white

0:45:08.960 --> 0:45:12.040
<v Speaker 3>noise are out in it right now, and people can

0:45:12.320 --> 0:45:16.279
<v Speaker 3>react on a daily basis to that. But the fundamentals

0:45:16.280 --> 0:45:18.360
<v Speaker 3>of this race haven't changed. It's going to be decided

0:45:18.360 --> 0:45:21.399
<v Speaker 3>in those rust belt states. And as I said last week,

0:45:21.440 --> 0:45:25.640
<v Speaker 3>I don't think Carmla Harris, a very left wing senator

0:45:25.680 --> 0:45:29.239
<v Speaker 3>from San Francisco, is going to resonate very well in

0:45:29.280 --> 0:45:32.480
<v Speaker 3>those states. There's so much material it will eventually hit.

0:45:32.680 --> 0:45:35.320
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I think the Trump campaign's right not to

0:45:36.040 --> 0:45:38.279
<v Speaker 3>throw all that out there just yet. There's plenty of

0:45:38.280 --> 0:45:40.839
<v Speaker 3>time to go. I've got to pick their moment. And

0:45:41.120 --> 0:45:44.400
<v Speaker 3>the reality is the Karmla campaign have spent an enormous

0:45:44.440 --> 0:45:47.120
<v Speaker 3>amount of money. I've seen figures of thirty forty million

0:45:47.160 --> 0:45:50.640
<v Speaker 3>dollars they've spent on advertising, very unusual at this stage

0:45:50.680 --> 0:45:52.440
<v Speaker 3>of the cycle. But obviously they're trying to generate some

0:45:52.520 --> 0:45:54.920
<v Speaker 3>momentum and that sort of money is going to do something.

0:45:55.440 --> 0:45:57.400
<v Speaker 3>But you wonder whether they've really got a bang for

0:45:57.440 --> 0:45:59.840
<v Speaker 3>their buck if they've just had a couple of points

0:46:00.080 --> 0:46:02.360
<v Speaker 3>change of the polls for that kind of money being spent.

0:46:02.920 --> 0:46:05.680
<v Speaker 2>But also, you know, Sam, it feels like again that

0:46:06.400 --> 0:46:09.120
<v Speaker 2>when you get too deep into the reeds or too

0:46:09.400 --> 0:46:11.200
<v Speaker 2>counting the number of grains of sand on the beach.

0:46:11.320 --> 0:46:13.360
<v Speaker 2>That's where we all are right trying to look for

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<v Speaker 2>what might happen. Of course, we don't know what next week,

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<v Speaker 2>next month. I mean, literally where we were a month

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<v Speaker 2>ago compared to where we'll be in a month two

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<v Speaker 2>months time. But what's your sense. Are you surprised that

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<v Speaker 2>it has gone this way this quickly? Are there things

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<v Speaker 2>she needs to do to step beyond what she's currently doing.

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<v Speaker 16>Look, I'm absolutely surprised it's gone this far this quickly.

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<v Speaker 16>To Matt's point about the amount of money they're spending, now,

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<v Speaker 16>he's absolutely right, this is unprecedented, but so is dropping

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<v Speaker 16>in a candidate at this stage with no primary. So

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<v Speaker 16>she is as yet undefined in the American mind. I

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<v Speaker 16>know everyone here and probably everyone watching has a very

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<v Speaker 16>clear view of her. And as shocking as it is

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<v Speaker 16>to say, I dare say the vast majority of Americans

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<v Speaker 16>would be unable to name who the vice president is.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's why they're trying to keep it in the vibe.

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<v Speaker 16>Yeah, and exactly, if you keep it in that vibe,

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<v Speaker 16>you're all good. I think in the next day or so,

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<v Speaker 16>she's going to name a vice presidential candidate. That's going

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<v Speaker 16>to be an important moment for the campaign. Again, my

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<v Speaker 16>money's on the senator from Arizona, although I think Joshapira

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<v Speaker 16>would be really cool. The other one that's getting a

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<v Speaker 16>really strange amount of traction considering that Minnesota is not

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<v Speaker 16>at all a state that the Democrats are in content. Literally,

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<v Speaker 16>no one's right is the governor there Waltz, who's i'm told,

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<v Speaker 16>a brilliant governor and would add real heft to that.

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<v Speaker 16>But I can't figure out why he's in the final three.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's this thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, he's good on Telly, and he's sort of good

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<v Speaker 2>in the supposedly sort of being able to speak Republican

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<v Speaker 2>and flip some people. But we'll all see last one

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<v Speaker 2>here a couple of seconds each on it. Matt the

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<v Speaker 2>debate about debates, I don't think Trump needs one anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that he should do town halls. If Kamala

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<v Speaker 2>Harris wants to turn up and do town halls, that's fine,

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<v Speaker 2>But basically turn it into a scenario where it's not

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<v Speaker 2>this sort of It's not the adversarial debate scenario where

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<v Speaker 2>we know what the outcome is going to be judged

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<v Speaker 2>by the media. It's someone asks you a question, you

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<v Speaker 2>answer it, and you compare their answers, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>that the word salad is going to do very poorly

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<v Speaker 2>in that scenario.

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<v Speaker 14>Well, they're always my favorite debates.

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<v Speaker 3>I love those ones where you get just average questions

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<v Speaker 3>from average Joe's and I think it reveals a lot

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<v Speaker 3>about the candidates. So Trump's a very good people person too.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you even saw it that the black journalist thing.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, he still had people laughing and agreeing with him.

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<v Speaker 3>He's the best committee in the world right now.

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<v Speaker 16>Yeah, he's got a debater. He can't not debate, you know,

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<v Speaker 16>if nothing else. His ego is going to You're probably

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<v Speaker 16>right in terms of should he or shouldn't he, But

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<v Speaker 16>he's going to have to.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't you just turn around and you say the debate

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<v Speaker 2>should be I'm not doing the journal thing.

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<v Speaker 1>We can do it with normal voters.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's the closest he'll get to one if

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<v Speaker 2>there's going to be.

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<v Speaker 16>Yeah, maybe, but his ego is not going to let

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<v Speaker 16>him stay out of it.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Thank you for being ego lists at all times, gentlemen.

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<v Speaker 1>Appreciate it. Love you both.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll see you again tomorrow night, when Nigel Fragi will

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<v Speaker 2>join us from.

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<v Speaker 1>The United Kingdom. He comes to the late debate