1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: This is the Fitting and Whip with Kate Richie podcast. 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: Carla Harris and Donald Trump have spent the final hours 3 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: of the US election campaign blitzing through battleground states. I've 4 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:12,559 Speaker 1: been waiting four years for this. 5 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 2: Long lines of people forming to cast their vote on 6 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 2: election day here in America. 7 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: I'm so nervous. 8 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 3: Have you voted? 9 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: Oh? 10 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 3: I just felt I just feel like that this day 11 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 3: is so important? Is this Could this be one of 12 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 3: the most significant elections globally? 13 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 2: They all are. This says a lot, doesn't it. 14 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. 15 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 4: I mean there's a lot of people watching to be 16 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 4: done as well, isn't there. I think it's not just 17 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 4: the election, It's not just today, it's the flow on effect. 18 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 4: What is going to happen in the following day. 19 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 2: You can feel some nervous energy, can't you. 20 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 3: One man who is in the eye of the storm Washington, 21 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 3: DC is David Boywood Channel seven years US Bureau Chief. David, 22 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 3: what is the feeling there at the moment? Because I 23 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 3: just feel like David that ever one can see the script, 24 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 3: he's already claiming that there's going to be cheating in 25 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 3: certain states. But what does it feel like on the ground. 26 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: Well, you sort of nailed it there right off the top. 27 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 1: A whole lot of nervous energy. Good morning, guys. We've 28 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: already had millions and millions of people cast those ballots 29 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 1: in the past few weeks through mailing and early voting. 30 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: We still have around eighty or so million Americans that 31 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: will be heading to those ballot boxes today. Look, we're 32 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: on the East Coast. I'm going to Kamala Harris watch party. 33 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 1: This is where she is expected later at tonight. It 34 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 1: could be a party or there could be a political wake. 35 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: We don't know how it's going to actually turn out 36 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:35,479 Speaker 1: for her. But yeah, Look, the feeling is just one 37 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: of kind of anxiousness. And we know that the Democrats 38 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,479 Speaker 1: have been pushing that message and that line that they 39 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: fully expect Donald Trump to roll out that twenty twenty 40 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: playbook where he sort of came out halfway through the 41 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: count late in the night on election night and claimed victory. 42 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: Now at this point, the Republicans and the Trump seam 43 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: are saying that they won't be doing that unless they 44 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: see proof and evidence of irregularities. We know that last 45 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: time there was irregularities, but it simply weren't. I mean, 46 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: it was chucked out of sixty courthouses across the country 47 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: in the weeks after that election. So I don't know. 48 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,519 Speaker 1: You say it's one of the most historic and consequential. 49 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,519 Speaker 1: It's certainly been shaping up for that for weeks, and yeah, 50 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: we're just going to have to see where American takes is. 51 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 2: What concerns me is, I mean, there's some unrest in 52 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 2: the US. We know that very much so, and we 53 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 2: enter this circus where my god, it closes at ten 54 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 2: o'clock today in terms of voting Australian time, but it 55 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 2: will carry on and we won't have a result for 56 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 2: a very long time. So what concerns me is the 57 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 2: stories you hear about on some level of civil war 58 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 2: breaking out based on where the voters stand. 59 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: That is, the fear is being whipped up sort of 60 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: by both sides doing a bit of finger pointing at 61 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: this moment. Look, we don't know where it's going to fall, 62 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: and god, we hope it doesn't descend into violence. But 63 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 1: we know what happened in twenty twenty one. Of course, 64 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 1: after the twenty twenty election there where Congress had to 65 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: go and certify those results and Donald Trump held that 66 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: now infamous January sixth rally and the ellipse on the 67 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: lawn just out the front of the White House, and 68 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 1: he directed his supporters to head up to the Capitol 69 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: Congress where all those members, those lawmakers were sitting to 70 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: certify those results. We know what happened next. It ended 71 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 1: in violence. We had mods marauding through the halls of 72 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: the Capitol chanting Nancy Pelosi's name, Mike Penn. It really 73 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: ratcheted up. And look, there's been a lot of people. 74 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: I've been to so many Trump rallies over the past 75 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 1: few weeks, and we've Chris crossed all of those battle 76 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: ground states, and I can tell you just even anecdotally 77 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: from a lot of Trump supporters that I've just been 78 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: speaking with, they have been saying to me that November 79 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: five is not the important day. January six is now 80 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: the important day on that election calend. Now. I don't 81 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: know what that means and what is planned, but certainly 82 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: the FBI and other policing federal law agencies have been 83 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: keeping a very close eye on all of this, and 84 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: they are, yeah, they're at on high alert right now. 85 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 2: January. 86 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 4: What's it's insinuating that something will go down. 87 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: Possibly possibly. We just don't know. We don't know, We 88 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: don't know what Donald Trump and his team now have 89 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: planned in the next few hours. I think that if 90 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: the result comes in, the Democrats lose unless they haven't 91 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: got a track record of challenging these results in the 92 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: same manner that the Republicans have, but particularly that in 93 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: a sanction within Donald Trump, who Donald Trump's team that 94 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: have been so unsuccessful as well. You've got to remember 95 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: they did this last time. There was sixty court cases 96 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: across the country, Fulton County in Georgia, Maracopa in Arizona. 97 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: And they challenge and they failed failed, failed. 98 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, David, can I ask you a serious question. You've 99 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 3: been on the ground there right, Can you give us 100 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 3: because you know, with media now, I mean, everything is 101 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 3: blown out of proportion, a little bit of it. And 102 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 3: I know Trump is extreme and all this kind of stuff. 103 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 3: And then the other side as well, But the people 104 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 3: that you've met at Trump rallies and then the Kamala 105 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 3: Harra fans, can you tell us are they just normal people? 106 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 3: Are what we read in the media every day? Is 107 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 3: it magnified by so much? Are they normal people? Or 108 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 3: what have you found with either side? 109 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: They're normal people until you get to the fringes of 110 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 1: those parties. So you go to a Trump rally, is 111 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: very lovely people lovely, lovely, like you're run into so 112 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: many nice, family oriented people. But then you can start 113 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: talking about things and they will start then saying, well, 114 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 1: it's twenty twenty was stolen. And that's when you start 115 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: coming what evidence do you have of where did you 116 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: get that idea from? Or you will be having And 117 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: this happened to me just a few weeks ago. I 118 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: was having a really sensible chat with this lady and 119 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: then she said to me that what the Democrats had 120 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 1: done with the hurricane through North Carolina a few weeks 121 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,359 Speaker 1: ago was supportable. I said, what do you mean? She is, well, 122 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: obviously they're playing with the weather and that when you 123 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: sort of just go to I don't know what I'm 124 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 1: dealing with here. 125 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 3: Actually. 126 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: Via Visa de Ice. So you can't sort of tar 127 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: a whole political movement with that. But yeah, that kind 128 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:04,559 Speaker 1: of stuff. 129 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 4: And do you think that the celebrities who throw their 130 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 4: weight behind either party that they have a really big influence, 131 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 4: Like do you think there are people out there thinking 132 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 4: I'm going to vote for Trump? Because X Y and 133 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 4: Z do or you know, if I knew who Taylor 134 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 4: was voting for, then that's who I'd be voting for. 135 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 1: You. 136 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 4: Does that make sense? 137 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 1: I think when you yeah, I think when you get 138 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: celebrities as big as Taylor, you will get that little bump. 139 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: And she tweeted out or whatever, put online that link 140 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 1: to registering to vote, right, and there was that bump. 141 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,039 Speaker 1: I think three hundred thousand people have sort of gone 142 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: through her link. But for the most part, I think 143 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: people sort of shun the idea of celebrities telling them 144 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 1: what to do. But what it does do is sort 145 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: of just keep this sense of momentum. And momentum is 146 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 1: such a difficult thing to sort of quantify in a 147 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: political campaign. But whether or not it's Beyonce in Texas 148 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: throwing her weight behind Kamala Harris for its whole cogan, 149 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 1: you know, sort of pushing it for Donald Trump, I 150 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: don't think people are going to be played either way 151 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 1: by that. There might be a little bit of an 152 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 1: interest in a bump and a bit of enthusiasm derived 153 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: from that, but beyond that, people kind of shirt and 154 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: sort of shun that idea. 155 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 2: Well, Dave, you've got your favorite favorite watering hole there 156 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 2: in Washington, the Screaming Eagle you got kicked out of 157 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 2: their last time. But you haven't a couple of bourbons 158 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 2: there at the moment? Made are you? 159 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: I just thought I just gear up for the Civil Warriors. 160 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,119 Speaker 3: You're Australian mate. You can throw off you yourself, David. 161 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 3: But you appreciate your time, buddy. 162 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 2: Thank you, buddy. 163 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 3: We're going to keep you updated all morning. It's fascinating, 164 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 3: isn't it? 165 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 4: But I do you even spoke about it in the 166 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 4: studio yesterday. You're like, there's just this feeling of like 167 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 4: anticipation and what's going to happen next? 168 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 3: Well? And do you know what? Could we have another 169 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 3: three years of hate? This is what I'm really scared, 170 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 3: I know. 171 00:07:56,080 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 2: And you think to yourself, it seems unbalanced and it 172 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 2: doesn't seem like the world could move forward like that, 173 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 2: like we can't develop and grow forward. 174 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 3: I'm with him there. As a parent, I don't know. 175 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 3: I find it really hard when I'm trying to teach 176 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 3: my kids the right thing and every day we have 177 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 3: the television on and Dad's watching the news, and the 178 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 3: kids see this. 179 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, and the news is sometimes The worst thing doesn't much, 180 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 4: isn't it. It doesn't make the world look like a safe, 181 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 4: happy place that's soon to be president driving a garbage 182 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:28,119 Speaker 4: truck again. 183 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:30,559 Speaker 3: It's actually mad. 184 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: Actual man fits in. 185 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 3: Whippa with Kate Ritchie is a Nova podcast walk great 186 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 3: shows like this. 187 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: Download the Nova Player, find the app store or Google Play.