WEBVTT - Sharri | 5 February 0:00:01.600 --> 0:00:03.199 Live on Sky News. 0:00:03.880 --> 0:00:08.200 This is Sharry, Thanks Andrew. Good evening. 0:00:08.200 --> 0:00:11.800 While I start tonight with breaking news. The Albanzi government 0:00:11.880 --> 0:00:16.560 has backflipped on its opposition to mandatory minimum sentences for 0:00:16.680 --> 0:00:20.800 anti Semitic offenses and terror attacks. Now, Peter Duartan has 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:25.160 been pushing for this policy. As you know, Albanezi insisted 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:29.400 he wasn't going to interfere, there'd be no mandatory minimum sentences. 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:31.520 And yet as we speak. 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:34.760 Right now in Canberra in the House, Tony Burke is 0:00:34.840 --> 0:00:40.440 introducing new laws that will have mandatory jail terms both 0:00:40.600 --> 0:00:44.600 for terror offenses and for anti Semitic hate crime. 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:45.960 So I'm going to come. 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:48.519 Back to that breaking news a bit later. James Patterson 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:51.720 will be on the show, but of course the weight 0:00:51.800 --> 0:00:55.840 of tonight's show will be full coverage and analysis on 0:00:55.920 --> 0:00:59.520 this bold move by Donald Trump. Today he stunned the 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:05.080 world by declaring America will take over Gaza. Israel's deputy 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:09.160 Foreign Affairs Minister would join me from Washington. Plus, as 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:13.120 I said, Shadowhome Affairs Minister James Patterson also on the 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:16.840 show tonight. In a fiery question time, Peter Dutton claimed 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:21.640 Albanezi wasn't briefed on the caravan filled with explosives for 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:26.640 seven days. The Prime Minister now fighting off allegations that 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:30.720 the agencies, his own agencies don't trust him enough to 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:32.399 brief him on a terror threat. 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:33.800 I'll speak about this. 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:38.000 With tonight's Political Panel and the Chaffir scandal rocking the 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:39.160 new South Wales Parliament. 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:40.840 Well couldn't claim another minister. 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:45.360 Michael Kroger and Graham Richardson will debate if Rose Jackson 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:51.240 should go too. But let's start tonight with today's bombshell news, 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:56.400 Donald Trump's plan to level Gaza, have the US takeover, 0:01:57.000 --> 0:02:02.160 rebuild it, and relocate Palestinians to Arab States. Here is 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:07.640 the President making this massive statement that rock the world today. 0:02:08.680 --> 0:02:11.720 The US will take over the Gaza Strip and we 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:14.480 will do a job with it too. We'll own it 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:18.720 and be responsible for dismantling all of the dangerous unexploded 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:20.919 bombs and other weapons on the site. 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:25.320 Level the site and get rid of the destroyed buildings. 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:28.680 Level it out, create an economic development that will supply 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:33.640 unlimited numbers of jobs and housing for the people of 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:37.520 the area. Do a real job to something different. Just 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:39.720 can't go back. If you go back, it's going to 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:41.919 end up the same way it has for one hundred years. 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:47.079 Major news that Donald Trump wants to take over Gaza 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:50.840 and clear out the terrorists. This is a world changing 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:54.640 and historical shakeup that could shape the future of the 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:58.120 Middle East. Trump is also saying that nearly two million 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:02.400 Palestinians should leave Gaza at least during the rebuild and 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:04.680 relocate to neighboring countries. 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:10.200 We should go to other countries of interest with humanitarian hearts, 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:12.400 and there are many of them that want to do 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:16.760 this and build various domains that will ultimately be occupied 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:20.280 by the one point eight million Palestinians living in Gaza. 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:24.160 The only reason the Palestinians want to go back to 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:28.400 Gaza is they have no alternative. It's right now a 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:32.200 demolition site. This is just a demolition site. Virtually every 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:37.200 building is down. They're living under fallen concrete. That's very 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:42.440 dangerous and very precarious. They instead can occupy all of 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:46.160 a beautiful area with homes and safety, and they can 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:48.800 live out their lives in peace and harmony. 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:53.520 And here was Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyaho's reaction to 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:54.680 Trump's idea. 0:03:56.000 --> 0:04:01.280 I believe, mister President, that your willingness what you're conventional thinking, 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:04.880 thinking that has failed time and time and time again. 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:09.720 Your willingness to think outside the box with fresh ideas 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:13.720 will help us achieve all these goals. And I've seen 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:16.839 you do this many times. You cut to the chase. 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:22.680 Okay, here's my analysis. Well, firstly, it's. 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:25.840 Likely that Trump is trying to coerce the Arab nations 0:04:26.000 --> 0:04:29.479 to take control of Gaza, to step up and take 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:33.880 responsibility for its governing. And this is Trump's modus operandi. 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:37.039 He makes a big statement to big threat and it 0:04:37.120 --> 0:04:41.039 prompts immediate action that otherwise never. 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:41.679 Would have happened. 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:45.600 So the Arab nations had all but washed their hands 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:48.680 of Gaza. They wanted nothing to do with the problem. 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:53.240 But after Trump's declaration that America will take control of 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:58.080 the Gaza Strip, a highly contested, sought after peace of 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:01.440 land in the Middle East, it's very likely that Arab 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:04.479 nations will now find a way to step in. 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:07.360 It's widely accepted. 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:10.920 Now, although not by the Albanese government, that Gaza does 0:05:11.080 --> 0:05:15.480 need to be a protectorate. A protectorate that's a state 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:19.880 controlled by another har mass cannot continue to govern it. 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:24.640 It has comprehensively failed both its own citizens and its neighbors. 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:30.839 It's terrorizing people and causing unrest around the world. Trump's 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:37.080 move that America will take over could very well prompt Egypt, Jordan, 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:41.159 Saudi Arabia and others to get on board in a 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:42.720 protectorate arrangement. 0:05:43.480 --> 0:05:44.680 So that's my first point. 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:49.120 But secondly, I think if they don't come on board, 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:52.839 Trump is clearly prepared to take control of Gaza. 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:55.880 Nothing has worked so far. 0:05:56.760 --> 0:06:03.200 Self governance in Gaza certainly hasn't. Israel handed the Gaza 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:07.000 Strip to the Palestinians in two thousand and five. It 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:11.160 made all Israeli citizens leave the area, and it gave 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:17.680 the Palestinians independence. They elected a terrorist group and Harmas 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:21.440 has controlled Gaza since two thousand and six. They could 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:25.479 have built an international city with its own airport, but 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:30.040 all they've achieved is a terrorist infrastructure, including amassing weapons 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:34.320 and tunnels, and they've only brought death and tragedy to 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:39.760 their own people by continually provoking Israel into war. So 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:44.880 the territorial solution has failed, as Israel's Deputy Foreign Minister 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:48.640 Sharon Haskell tells me on the show tonight. 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:53.800 So the territorial solution. You know it wasn't. 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:57.040 It didn't give us the answer. It actually blew up 0:06:57.040 --> 0:06:57.919 in our faces. 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:04.159 As she says, the international community surely has to admit 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:08.280 that giving Gaza sovereignty has failed. I wish it hadn't, 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:11.160 but it has. In that full interview, by the way, 0:07:11.240 --> 0:07:15.120 is coming up in a moment. So statehood isn't the 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:18.520 answer here, despite the repeated please from Penny Wog and 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:24.440 Alban Easy, you just can't give terrorists a state. And 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:28.560 the fact is terrorism does need to be finally eradicated. 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:30.760 We can't keep on living like this. 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:34.920 We're living in twenty twenty five, when rockets can go 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:37.520 into space and come back in one piece thanks to 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:42.160 Elon Musk, when Ai can reason like humans can, and 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:44.960 yet somehow we're still expected to live in a world 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:50.520 where terrorism is allowed to flourish and monsters slaughter and 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:56.880 kidnap babies, children and mothers. There's no question the status 0:07:56.960 --> 0:08:01.640 quo can't continue now. There's been a massive absence of 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:04.840 leadership in the international community when it comes to Gaza 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:08.960 up until this point. The Wok ideology has sided with 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:13.960 barbarians and terrorism has therefore been able to thrive. We 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:17.880 can see with our own eyes that Gaza is broken. 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:22.800 These scenes of Hamas terrorists swarming around a single Jewish 0:08:23.200 --> 0:08:28.120 female hostage are sickening, and ever since I saw that, 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:32.520 I've been thinking, well, what hope is there for Gaza. 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:38.520 It's broken, it seems beyond repair, and clearly the President 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:41.000 of the United States has come to that view as well. 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:46.640 An American takeover if that's what eventuates, And as I've said, 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:49.120 I think it's a negotiating tactic to get the Arab 0:08:49.200 --> 0:08:52.440 nations on board. But if it's what eventuates, it might 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:56.040 be far from the perfect solution, and there are pitfalls 0:08:56.040 --> 0:08:59.880 to it, including indefinite deployment of American troops in Gaza 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:04.120 who would become a target for terror. But like I 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:07.480 already said, this is a typical Trump maneuver to encourage 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:11.120 ourb nations like the Saudis and the Emorts to take 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:15.040 the lead. But even if America does take the lead, 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:19.440 it's better than the status quote and look at Trump's 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:23.960 vision for Gaza compared to its future otherwise, the President 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:28.000 says it could become the Riviera of the Middle East. 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:32.880 We have an opportunity to do something that could be phenomenal. 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:35.439 And I don't want to be cute, I don't want 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:36.280 to be a wise guy. 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:38.760 But the riviera of the Middle East, this could be 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:40.160 something that could be so bad. 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:42.079 This could be so magnificent. 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:46.280 And there are beautiful beaches in Gaza like there are 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:51.600 in Israel. Billions of dollars in international aid is pouring 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:57.720 into Gaza anyway, it's being wasted on terraced infrastructure like 0:09:57.760 --> 0:10:02.679 the underground tunnels. Why shouldn't that money, billions of dollars 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:07.440 go into transforming Gaza into a beautiful and peaceful city. 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:11.840 Trump struck the Abraham Accords, which no one thought he 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:15.960 could achieve. He has forged strong relationships with Arab nations 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:18.719 and of course with Israel. And Trump is meeting the 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:23.320 Jordanian King Abdullah in the coming days and Gaza will 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:27.720 be discussed in those meetings. Now commentators tonight have said 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:31.959 that this is Trump taking America into a foreign war. Well, 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:37.000 that analysis is incorrect. Trump is speaking about rebuilding Gaza, 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:38.360 not fighting. 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:41.320 He's showing leadership in an. 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:46.080 Area where no one else is stepping up. The question 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:49.439 is how far can Trump get with this plan? Seeing 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:52.120 as he only has a four year term and how 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:56.800 will the international community react? His move has already sent 0:10:56.880 --> 0:11:01.360 shockwaves around the world, and we can probably expect major 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:07.319 Palestinian protests on our streets. Australia's Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi, well, 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:08.840 he's going to need to come up with a better 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:12.960 response than his weak and pathetic answer today when he 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:13.880 was asked about this. 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:18.200 Well, I've said before, though I don't tend to have 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:24.520 a running commentary on the President of the United States statements. 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:28.520 Guy's position is the same as it was this morning, 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:31.200 as it was last year, and it was ten years ago, 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:36.440 and it was under the Howard government, the Australian government 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:41.360 support and a bipartisan basis a two state solution in 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:42.000 the Middle East. 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:46.320 Now, of course he wouldn't support Trump's plan because remember 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:49.760 this is a man who's been a lifelong pro Palestinian activist. 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:54.440 He reportedly protested outside the American Embassy in Sydney at 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:57.880 a rally where Israeli flags were burnt, and he was 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:01.400 a Federal MP at the time. And it is great 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:04.640 to watch Albanesi squirm over these questions, and you can 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:09.600 only imagine how Penny Wog would be having kniptions. But 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:13.560 nothing shows the difference between the Trump administration and the 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:18.080 Albanese government more than their response to Israel's war on 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:23.360 Hermus on terrorists. Pennywog wanted to reward the terrorism of 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:29.640 October seven with Palestinian statehood, while Trump says Gaza needs 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:34.160 to be leveled and let the Americans take over. The 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:38.560 reality is, though, that the destroyed condition that Gaza is 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:41.679 in now is entirely because of the actions of their 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:46.760 own governing body of her Mus, and the Palestinians deserve 0:12:46.880 --> 0:12:50.199 better than this. Better than her Mus, they deserve better 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:55.520 than an uncertain future where barbaric, bloodthirsty and misogynistic terrorists 0:12:55.960 --> 0:13:01.199 bring death and destruction to their own civilians. The Palestinians 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:04.760 deserve to live in peace and safety, and of course 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:09.120 the Israelis do too. The Israelis can't live like this, 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:12.800 having to wait for the day when October seven happens 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:18.480 all over again. Israeli hostages are still being held in Guys, 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:21.680 so we still don't know where nine month old baby 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:25.240 Kaffir is, where four year old baby Ariel is, where 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:26.959 their mother Shiri is. 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:28.880 It's unacceptable. 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:34.280 So under Trump's bold vision, at least the status quo 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:42.600 of the endless cycle of terrorism will change. I'm going 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:45.800 to have full analysis on the show tonight on this topic. 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:49.440 I've got James Patterson, Michael Kroger, Kosher Gada, and more. 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:52.160 But I'm going to start my coverage now with Israel's 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:56.559 Deputy Foreign Affairs Minister, Sharen Haskell. She joined me from 0:13:56.640 --> 0:14:00.680 Washington a little earlier. Sharen, thank you so much for 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:04.560 your time. This has been an unbelievable day. What's Israel's 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:09.160 reaction to Trump's plan to relocate Palestinians. 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:10.679 And have the US take over Gaza. 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:15.120 Look, I think that first of all, you know, we 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:19.640 are very grateful for the friendship and the support that 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:23.360 we've received from President Trump. We've seen that in his 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:28.240 last administration. I don't think Israel had a better friend 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:29.160 than Trump. 0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:31.520 He brought, you know. 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:36.200 The Abraham Accords, where no one really believed that something 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:39.800 like that is possible. Everybody thought that was a fantasy, 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:43.360 but he actually he actually locked that in and he 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:48.880 created his peace and stability in the Middle East. You know, 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:52.440 we knew that these days and I'm now in Washington, 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:55.320 they are going to shape the future of the Middle 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:58.560 East and how it's going to look. And we really 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:01.440 want to make sure, you know, that the Abraham Accords 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:07.800 are expanded, that we bring back stability, peace coexistence, that 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:11.760 we can build bridges between our neighbors. And I think 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:15.880 that with his statement, I think it's it's pretty obvious 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:19.280 that President Trump is committed to that, and we are 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:23.000 very grateful for the friendship and the support that he 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:27.080 keeps on showing to Israel and our people. 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:31.480 But does Israel support Trump's plan to take over Gaza, 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:34.400 rebuild and relocate the Palestinians. 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:39.000 I think that many of the things that we're discussed, 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:43.080 and many of the things that we heard the Statesman about, 0:15:43.560 --> 0:15:45.440 I think that in the next couple of months, and 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:48.400 he also said there's going to be more declaration within 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:53.800 a month's time, you know, a more obvious plan is 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:59.400 going to be shaped and draw and written. And once 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:02.880 that has happened, then we will have a better understanding 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:08.040 of some of his vision and in some of obviously 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:14.360 our needs and vision in regards to the Middle East 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:18.520 and the stability and the building of bridges and how 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:22.760 we can achieve it. So, you know, I still think 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:25.680 it's early days, very difficult to say exactly how it's 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:29.960 going to look, but hopefully within the next few weeks 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:32.360 we'll get a better picture of that. 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:33.760 It's clear that. 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:36.760 The status quo is unsustainable though, isn't it. We can't 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:39.800 go back to the situation before where terrorism is a 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:40.760 constant threat. 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:44.440 So we've always said, we have to make sure that 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:51.720 tramas Is doesn't have any military capability and power, and 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:55.680 we have to make sure Hamas doesn't have civilian power either. 0:16:56.320 --> 0:17:00.160 Look showing throughout all these years, the Israeli governments have 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:05.119 tried different solution to be able to live side by side. 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:11.120 We tried a territorial solution because some people. 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:12.800 Thought this is a territorial conflict. 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:18.440 So we disengage from Gaza, evacuating every single living Jew 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:23.480 from this area, withdrawing all of our troops, giving them 0:17:23.560 --> 0:17:25.080 an autonomy. 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:27.879 To build a Singapore or you know, a Hong Kong. 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:34.440 But instead they actually democratically elected a terrorist organization that's 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:39.320 on its platform has sworn to completely obliterate the State 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:44.360 of Israel and annihilate the Jewish people inside Israel and outside. 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:50.760 So the territorial solution, you know, it wasn't it didn't 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:53.679 give us the answer. It actually blew up in our faces. 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:59.720 And then we tried economical prosperity, where you know, we 0:17:59.800 --> 0:18:03.639 get working permits for Palestinians to come and work in Israel. 0:18:03.640 --> 0:18:05.760 There was a lot of money and funds that were 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:11.040 invested in Gaza, and that economic future and prosperity and 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:15.440 idea didn't work either. Okay, it blow up in our 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:19.320 face on the seventh of October where you know, a 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:25.800 terrorist organization Hama's Death called you know, entered Israel and 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:31.560 you know, murdering our people, our grandparents, burning babies alive, 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:33.120 raping little girls. 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:36.879 That's the reality of that. And so we have to 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:38.439 think outside of the box. 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:42.360 And I think that Trumps is bringing ideas that are 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:45.399 outside of the box, and I think that we should 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:49.360 lay them all down and start thinking what is a 0:18:49.400 --> 0:18:52.879 possibility and how we can actually achieve that. 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:56.800 Sharon, would you need the support of the Arab nations? 0:18:56.880 --> 0:19:01.280 I mean ideally surely what the involvement of Saudi Arabia, Jordan, 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:03.919 Egypt and so on in the governing of Gaza. 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:10.359 Well, we understand that to create stability, real stability, we 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:14.200 need to create corporation with some of our neighboring countries 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:14.720 as well. 0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:18.160 And we are really hoping for that when. 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:21.600 Trump is speaking about expanding the Abraham Accord, he speaks 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:22.720 exactly about. 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:26.080 That building bridges. We don't want our neighbors to be 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:27.080 our enemies. 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:31.840 We want to be able to live side by side. 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:35.959 And so I think that the international community needs to 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:40.640 understand that the ideas that were brought time after time 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:45.480 again the same ideas have completely failed, and that it 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:48.560 is time to think outside of the box and to 0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:50.400 lay down these options. 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:54.360 I think that, you. 0:19:54.320 --> 0:19:59.680 Know, Trump has got a different way in managing things 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:06.280 and what we've experienced also even before he entered office 0:20:06.359 --> 0:20:11.320 in regards to negotiations about a ceasefire with Lebanon or 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:18.040 with Hamas you know, he's not just escorting the process 0:20:18.119 --> 0:20:22.280 and overseeing it like the Biden administration, but he's really 0:20:23.080 --> 0:20:27.760 taking control and leading a lot of this process, very 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:31.520 much involved in every single detail about. 0:20:31.200 --> 0:20:32.200 It and leading it. 0:20:33.240 --> 0:20:36.080 And it's a different approach, and he's bringing ideas that 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:39.560 are outside of the box. And we know that Trump 0:20:39.640 --> 0:20:45.119 has done that many times before on different issues as well. 0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:49.880 And I'm not getting into one issue or another, but 0:20:49.960 --> 0:20:54.679 the fact is that in many of these issues he 0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:58.760 was actually pretty successful. And I think that if he's 0:20:58.840 --> 0:21:02.479 capable of bringing us that's outside of the box, and 0:21:02.520 --> 0:21:08.320 it can be successful and bring stability and coexistence and 0:21:08.400 --> 0:21:12.360 prosperity to our regent, where in the last few years 0:21:12.760 --> 0:21:18.879 it's been absolutely devastating with war and death and economical destruction. 0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:24.520 So if this other option is on the table, I'll 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:28.560 take it, especially after what we've seen in the last 0:21:28.560 --> 0:21:29.359 few years. 0:21:29.960 --> 0:21:33.320 But just back to the question about the Arab nations again, 0:21:33.960 --> 0:21:37.000 do you need their support for this and are they 0:21:37.040 --> 0:21:38.560 meetings underway about this? 0:21:39.000 --> 0:21:42.919 Prime Minister Antoniao met with the envoy Witkof and with 0:21:43.160 --> 0:21:50.840 Waltz and they've outlined and the Prime Minister has you know, 0:21:51.040 --> 0:21:55.879 discussed the framework of Israel's need and our expectations as well. 0:21:57.359 --> 0:22:03.520 Today actually Witco is flying to Katar to speak to 0:22:03.640 --> 0:22:09.240 the Prime Minister to discuss the issue of the continuations 0:22:09.240 --> 0:22:13.720 of the negotiation for a second stage. So things are 0:22:13.840 --> 0:22:19.480 unfolding and there's a discussion with some countries around. 0:22:19.119 --> 0:22:20.920 I think tomorrow or the next day. 0:22:21.040 --> 0:22:24.760 The next visit is going to be a visit here 0:22:24.840 --> 0:22:30.359 in Washington by the Jordanian king as well, so he's 0:22:30.400 --> 0:22:31.240 not waiting. 0:22:31.800 --> 0:22:34.679 Sharon Haskell, really appreciate your time late at night in 0:22:34.800 --> 0:22:36.760 Washington on such a historic day. 0:22:37.680 --> 0:22:39.040 Thank you very much, Sherry. 0:22:41.280 --> 0:22:44.200 Okay, for further analysis, let's bring in now former Victorian 0:22:44.280 --> 0:22:48.480 Liberal Party president Michael Kroeger and former Labor minister Graham Richardson. 0:22:48.640 --> 0:22:51.600 Welcome to you both, as always on a Wednesday. Michael's 0:22:51.600 --> 0:22:53.520 starting with you, and what a trait it. 0:22:53.560 --> 0:22:56.679 Is to have you in Sydney studio with me. I 0:22:56.720 --> 0:22:57.520 am very lucky. 0:22:57.920 --> 0:23:01.760 So what's your assessment of this, of this astonishing move 0:23:01.800 --> 0:23:02.600 by Trump today? 0:23:02.760 --> 0:23:07.280 Well, like everybody, my first response was I was gobsmacked 0:23:07.359 --> 0:23:10.600 by what he said. I mean, it was an unbelievable announcement. 0:23:11.160 --> 0:23:14.240 But you have to analyze what Trump's is, right. It's 0:23:14.280 --> 0:23:17.480 like in chest he goes poor to King six, which 0:23:17.560 --> 0:23:19.320 is in legal move, and then he comes back to 0:23:19.400 --> 0:23:21.480 Paul in King four, which is legal. So what's he 0:23:21.520 --> 0:23:24.679 actually doing here? Is he actually going to take over Gaza? 0:23:24.800 --> 0:23:24.879 No? 0:23:25.080 --> 0:23:28.520 Is it going to become an American protected at state whatever. No, 0:23:29.240 --> 0:23:32.000 he is saying to the Arab States, as you correctly said, 0:23:32.080 --> 0:23:34.600 he's saying to the Arab States, you people have had 0:23:34.680 --> 0:23:38.320 eighty years. You've had eighty years to sort this out, 0:23:38.600 --> 0:23:41.640 to find a place for the Palestinians to allow there 0:23:41.640 --> 0:23:44.440 to be peace, co existence with the Jews in Israel, 0:23:45.520 --> 0:23:47.800 for the Arab States to stop fighting each other. You've 0:23:47.800 --> 0:23:50.520 had eighty years. I've had enough, You've had a good go, 0:23:50.920 --> 0:23:53.600 You've stuffed it up. Look where we are now with 0:23:53.760 --> 0:23:57.840 Jews being slaughtered eighteen months ago, it's now Gaza is 0:23:57.840 --> 0:24:00.960 a hellhole. And I'm now going to, you know, push 0:24:01.040 --> 0:24:02.800 my pawn down the board. So what's going to happen. 0:24:02.840 --> 0:24:07.760 What's going to happen, as you say, Saudi Arabia, the Jordanians, 0:24:07.920 --> 0:24:12.000 the Egyptians, the Qataris, the probably the Abraham Accords, four countries, 0:24:12.680 --> 0:24:15.880 maybe even the Syrians, to keep the peace will all 0:24:15.880 --> 0:24:19.840 come in. There will be a multi national peacekeeping protectorate, government, 0:24:19.840 --> 0:24:23.760 et cetera in Gaza. The Americans may not even need 0:24:23.800 --> 0:24:26.919 to be involved. But this is what he's saying to 0:24:26.920 --> 0:24:29.640 the Arab States, You've had enough. You've made a complete 0:24:29.640 --> 0:24:32.160 hash that I've had enough. That's what he's done. 0:24:32.520 --> 0:24:34.120 I think that is also the most likely. 0:24:34.119 --> 0:24:36.600 As I've already said, Richo, what do you think do 0:24:36.680 --> 0:24:39.439 you think we're going to have a Trump tower on 0:24:39.480 --> 0:24:42.240 the Gaza strip or do you think you know this 0:24:42.320 --> 0:24:45.160 is a negotiating tactic to get the Arab nations on board. 0:24:46.040 --> 0:24:49.720 I think it's probably a negotiating tactic, mind you. I'd 0:24:49.760 --> 0:24:52.040 like to love to see her a Trump tower on 0:24:52.080 --> 0:24:57.240 the Gaza fabulous, And I wouldn't put anything past him. 0:24:57.520 --> 0:25:00.400 But now, look, I think, you know, well, I' often 0:25:00.440 --> 0:25:03.840 been a critic of Trump. I think on this issue, 0:25:04.320 --> 0:25:07.399 he's really doing pretty well. I mean, if you think back, 0:25:08.480 --> 0:25:11.800 every American president has had a crack at this, Every 0:25:11.840 --> 0:25:16.280 American president has failed, and so you know, you look 0:25:16.320 --> 0:25:20.159 at these things, you're entitled to be pessimistic. That the 0:25:20.240 --> 0:25:23.400 great thing about Trump is he never is never pessimistic. 0:25:23.920 --> 0:25:26.960 He's always looking on the bright side, always looking for 0:25:27.000 --> 0:25:28.760 a wind, and I think he might have one here. 0:25:29.480 --> 0:25:31.800 Yeah, it's a good point you make about the past presidents. 0:25:31.960 --> 0:25:34.879 Bill Clinton once told me many years ago that his 0:25:35.040 --> 0:25:39.680 greatest regret from his time as president was the Middle East, 0:25:39.680 --> 0:25:41.720 that he couldn't bring peace to the Middle East. So, 0:25:42.000 --> 0:25:46.160 you know, this would be totally legacy defining for Trump 0:25:46.200 --> 0:25:49.520