WEBVTT - Sharri | 2 December 0:00:01.560 --> 0:00:04.680 Why on Sky News, this is. 0:00:04.720 --> 0:00:07.720 Sharry Good Evening. 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:10.600 Well, we've only got two weeks left until the Christmas break. 0:00:10.640 --> 0:00:13.680 That's eight shows, so make sure you tune into every 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:17.640 single one coming up tonight. Backlash over an Australia Day 0:00:17.680 --> 0:00:22.360 pub boycott as punters reject being bullied by corporates the 0:00:22.400 --> 0:00:27.120 Wok company tonight issuing an apology, Warren Mundine would join 0:00:27.200 --> 0:00:30.440 Me live. Also on the show, the author of Laptop 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:34.680 from Hell, Miranda Devine, responds to Joe Biden's pardon of 0:00:34.760 --> 0:00:35.840 his son Hunter. 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:37.840 That exclusive coming. 0:00:37.640 --> 0:00:41.160 Up, and the rift between alber Easy and Tanya Plibasek. 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:46.400 Labor insider Cameron Milner spills the beans. But first let's 0:00:46.400 --> 0:00:49.000 go to the major backlash today to the news that 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:53.720 two hundred pubs across the country threatened to ban Australia 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:57.880 Day celebrations. The owners the private equity firm based in 0:00:57.920 --> 0:01:03.720 Asia claimed our National Day caused sadness and hurt. Well, 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:08.720 this was outrageous. You don't boycott our National Day. It's 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:12.520 the fastest way ever to kill off business and the 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:15.080 company had to learn this the hard way when they 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:18.679 were forced to backtrack this evening and issue a groveling 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:23.360 apology to customers, and their backflip came after premiers and 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:26.720 politicians blasted their woke decision. 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:31.560 Countries need national days, they genuinely need them. We need 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:35.200 a sense of common purpose. I don't think it's what 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:38.000 the majority of people in the state or the country 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:40.399 agree with. And I also think that there has to 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:42.280 be a sense of national occasions. 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:46.000 I've participated in many Australian Day events over decades, and 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:48.240 I planned to continue into the years ahead. 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:51.080 From the government's perspective, it's our national day and the 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:52.040 day we come together. 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:53.160 We had the boys. 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:58.000 It was absolutely resoundingly defeated, and a lot of that 0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:02.600 defeat was Drivenigenous astray and saying absolutely we don't want 0:02:02.600 --> 0:02:06.960 to be treated differently. And they celebrate Australia Day, many 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:08.840 of them in the same sort of way as we 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:11.399 as non Indigenous Australians. 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:15.720 And many commentators said the only way to react to 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:19.400 this proposed man was to boycott the pubs. 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:21.359 Avoid them like the plague. 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:23.919 We have a stack of hotels right across the country 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:25.680 wanting to be part of Australia Day. 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:26.600 Go to them instead. 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:30.000 The pubs owned by this group should become a patron 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:30.600 free z oone. 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:33.040 There are plenty other pubs that you can go and 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:36.600 buy a beer at on Australia if these pubs don't 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:38.320 want to celebrate Australia. 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:43.400 And Indigenous Australians weren't happy about this either. Warren Mundine 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:46.560 will be on My show tonight, while an Indigenous elder 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:50.000 Ian hunter said that here to his family and friends 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:53.760 in remote communities like to celebrate Australia Day. 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:55.080 They have barbecues. 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:59.680 He said it's the urban lefties, the white people that 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:03.160 are pushing for this and he called it condescending. 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:05.480 In fact, there was so much. 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:09.959 Backlash, mostly from punters, that the Australia Venue Co by 0:03:09.960 --> 0:03:13.400 this evening had apologized and reversed their decision. 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:15.040 Releasing a statement. 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:18.560 The company said, we sincerely regret that our purpose is 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:22.960 to reinforce community in our venues, not divide it. It 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:26.320 is not for us to tell anyone whether or how 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:29.520 to celebrate Australia Day. They said, whether you choose to 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:32.359 celebrate Australia Day or not, everyone is welcome in our 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:36.520 pubs always. Well, they've been forced to backtrack, but there's 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:41.160 no question their original boycott was a deliberate decision, and 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:45.600 Chris Kenny pointed out earlier all the other days that 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:50.280 this company boasts about celebrating. In a clear case of 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:51.840 virtue signaling. 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:56.360 You can see that Australian venue company does like to 0:03:56.360 --> 0:04:01.080 celebrate some days. There's Big Gay Day they celebrate that. 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:04.120 It's a picture there too for Plant a Tree Day. 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:09.200 Also they're trumpeting how they celebrate where at Purple Day 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:15.360 and a similar day they have Lgbtqia Plus Day. There's 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:20.000 also Nadock Week celebrated for Indigenous Australians, of course, and 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:24.000 there's International Women's Day. They celebrate all these days and 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:27.520 they are all good days, to be sure, But apparently 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:30.159 there are two hundred pubs at bars in Australia now 0:04:30.400 --> 0:04:33.560 who have time for all of those days, but no 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:35.279 time for our National Day. 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:40.599 Well said, and this company may have reversed their ban, 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:44.320 but the damage has been done. When Australians are looking 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:48.599 for somewhere to celebrate on January twenty six, they'll likely 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:49.880 avoid these. 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:51.400 Two hundred venues. 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:55.240 And the company owns fifty seven pubs in Victoria, ten 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:59.719 in New South Wales, twenty in South Australia, ninety in Queensland. 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:01.920 The list goes on but in New. 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:04.719 South Wales two of their biggest ones are bungaloweight and 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:08.440 Cargo in Sydney. In Brisbane there's the Port Office Hotel 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:12.080 in the Regatta Hotel in Melbourne, there's the Esplanade Hotel 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:14.760 in Prince of Wales and Sint Kilda, the Duke of 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:18.200 Wellington and Garden State Hotel in Melbourne. And if you 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:21.960 want the full list, it's up on our Sky News website. 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:23.880 But this is part of. 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:28.480 A trend now of corporates trying to cancel our national Day. 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:32.680 It follows wool Words refusing to sell Australia Day merchandise 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:37.159 earlier this year and as you'll recall, about eighty councils 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:42.720 change the date of Australia Day citizenship ceremonies. Now, Australia 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:46.560 Day isn't about denying our history, what's and all. 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:50.320 It's about being grateful for the country we live in. 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:55.359 But there's this trend, pushed by activist groups and embraced 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:59.480 by Corporate Australia, of trying to turn our national Day 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:04.719 and our Australian flag and everything it stands for into. 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:06.159 A symbol of shame. 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:12.080 They're trying to make Australians feel guilty about celebrating our country. 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:16.479 They're trying to bully us into being ashamed of our 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:20.400 national day, and the majority of Australians don't want to 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:21.280 change the date. 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:24.120 An IPA poll early this year. 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:29.120 Showed sixty three percent one to keep Australia Day on 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:34.960 January twenty six. I personally always loved Australia Day, and 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:38.280 don't we all have memories dating back decades of how 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:44.480 we spent this one public holiday. Beach barbecue, friends, family, 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:50.320 cricket in the backyard and on TV, hot swims, rolling thunderstorms, 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:54.719 traditions passed down from one generation to the next. 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:57.640 I love this sunburnt country. 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:02.320 As Dorothy mckeli said, should be an Australia Day, a 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:06.159 single day when we can celebrate this great nation of 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:10.400 ours and how lucky we are to live here. But 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:13.880 having said that, I do have to admit that this 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:18.560 Australia Day will be heart Our country is not its 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:23.400 best self under the Albanese government, from the deepening cost 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:29.040 of living crisis to the despicable rise in antisemitism. Australia 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:33.040 at the end of twenty twenty four is sometimes not 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:37.040 a country I recognize it seems everything Albanez he does 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:41.640 as Prime Minister is only making life worse for Australians. 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:45.760 We're pushing back at his radical changes and his misinformation 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:49.840 laws thankfully were voted down, but much of his green 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:54.400 left agenda is being rolled out and everyone is talking 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:58.680 about it. Almost every person I speak to says that 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:01.960 this is the worst government and the worst prime minister 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:03.800 in Australia's history. 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:06.240 Let's face it, our. 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:09.360 Beautiful country is not what it was just a few 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:13.120 short years ago, and not what it can be with 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:18.040 proper leadership restored. I love this country, but it can 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:21.360 be better. And so this Australia Day in early twenty 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:26.120 twenty five will be bittersweet. We'll celebrate all that we have, 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:30.080 but we have to vow to fight to protect our 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:33.400 country from those who seek to undermine our way of 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:39.520 life and destroy our social cohesion, those activists who found 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:47.720 a friend in of all people, the Prime Minister now 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:51.920 Anthony Albinezi, is denying a rift with Tanya Pleibisek after 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:55.960 he killed off her environmental laws. But this saga is 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:59.360 a fascinating insight into how the Prime Minister does business, 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:05.440 His lies and obfuscation. WA Premier Roger Cook said that 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:09.920 he spoke to Albanzi on Tuesday and received an assurance 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:12.520 that these laws would be on ice. 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:16.160 We were concerned in relation to some of the elements 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:19.560 of the nature positive laws and we made that position 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:23.280 very clear. Are very pleased to have received assurances from 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:26.400 the highest levels of government that those laws will not 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:28.960 be going ahead in their current form this week. 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:33.200 So the WA Premier saying pretty clearly there for everyone 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:36.240 to see out a press conference that albin Ezi agreed 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:39.880 to put these laws on ice. The understanding is that 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:42.880 they would have been problematic politically at both the state 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:48.000 and federal level in WA. So Albinizi made this decision 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:53.360 apparently without consulting the Minister in charge, Tanya Plibasek, who'd 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:57.760 been negotiating in good faith with the Greens. Albinizi tried 0:09:57.800 --> 0:10:01.880 to deny all of this. Haven't Thirty host Sarah Ferguson 0:10:01.960 --> 0:10:07.520 It pushed him repeatedly, as she does in her persistent way. 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:11.679 You killed the environmental laws promised the last election in 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:15.119 order to as we understand it, protects seats in Western Australia. 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:18.400 Was that you just clearing the decks for an election. 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:19.679 No, well that's not right. 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:23.480 Did the legislation remain so stuck in the Senate we 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:26.040 didn't have the majority for it, Sarah, there's. 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:28.960 A brain you killed the negotiations. So what did you 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:31.839 say when the Premier of Western Australia rang you to 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:34.280 or you spoke to the Premier of Western Australia to 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:36.360 talk about that bill and why it should be held up? 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:39.199 I spoke to the Premier of WA about my visit 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:40.320 to WA next week. 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:41.480 You didn't talk about the bill. 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:42.240 That was the BASI. 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:45.040 Well, I don't give all the details of my private 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:46.479 discussions for premiers. 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:48.559 In talking about the bill? What did you say? Did 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:50.160 you agree with him that it was not the right 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:52.280 moment for that bill to be concluded? No? 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:57.000 I informed him that we didn't have the numbers. 0:10:57.240 --> 0:10:58.040 So how did. 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:01.679 The Premier of Western Australia reached the conclusion that he 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:04.520 had been instrumental in stopping that bill being resolved this week? 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:07.160 That's a question for the premiere. He's a good friend 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:09.960 of mine. 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:09.800 And that went on. 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:13.800 So Albanize reluctantly admitted there that he had spoken to 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:16.760 Roger Cook about this, but denied it was the reason 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:19.360 he killed off the deal. He even denied that the 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:25.240 laws were permanently done and dusted again. Plivosk, the Minister 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:29.040 in charge, was reportedly never brought into this decision. 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:30.760 She did a deal with the. 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:35.000 Greens and that Albanezi in a meeting that didn't include her, 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:38.920 that included Katie Gallagher, and the Greens killed it off. 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:43.640 Now Albanezi has presented different versions of events of what happened. 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:47.880 He even tried to claim a deal was never struck 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:50.120 or at least not with him. 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:54.200 Have a look on these environment laws. Clearly a deal 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:57.800 was either close or, according to the Greens, was done. 0:11:57.800 --> 0:11:58.480 They reckon you did. 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:01.960 I say that we hadn't And they don't say that David. 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:05.239 There is no one in the Green says that I. 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:08.600 Agreed to it. And David Spears said he'd done a 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:12.239 draft agreement or he'd seen a draft agreement between Plibasak 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:15.679 and the Greens. Albanezi denied it again or said it 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:17.040 wasn't with him. 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:22.280 There's no draft agreement to me, and what we did 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:22.959 was make. 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:25.360 Sure saying that letter doesn't exist. 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:30.440 Well, no letter to me exists. I was negotiating across 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:32.000 the parliament and that's how you have to do it. 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:34.640 You can't have forty five sets of negotiations. 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:36.640 But a letter from the minister to the Greens that 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:38.480 you're saying you weren't aware. 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:41.000 Of that, well, that wasn't a letter from me. 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:45.959 I mean, this is splitting hats. She's his cabinet minister. 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:50.360 There was clearly an agreement between Plebisak on behalf of 0:12:50.360 --> 0:12:54.280 the Albenezy government and the Greens. But how can anyone 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:55.760 believe anything this bloke says. 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:57.960 You've just seen how we twists and turns. 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:04.040 Albanezi has rejected suggestions that he was treating Tania Pilibisect 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:05.320 poorly as minister. 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:08.320 When you told them there was no deal on this 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:12.240 it was you adambout Sarah Hanson young but not in 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:15.000 Katy Gallagher Okay, but not Tania Plibisik the minister. 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:18.320 Why not because we had forty five pieces of legislation. 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:21.320 David, I've had some of your caucus colleagues expressed to 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:25.720 me a view that Tanya Plibisik was unnecessarily treated badly. 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:30.080 So Plibisek had done a deal and alban Easy and 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:33.640 his mate Katie Gallagher undid it. So where does this 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:39.160 leave Tanya Plibisek and her authority? This is disastrous disunity 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:42.640 at the highest levels of the alban Ezy government, leaking 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:45.920 going on to the ABC ahead of an interview with 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:50.680 the Prime Minister from his own colleagues, and now he's 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:52.800 facing ongoing questions about a rift. 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:56.680 And this is how are things between you and Chania Pilibasek, 0:13:56.760 --> 0:13:59.240 now though, because there's there's still confusion from some over 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:01.480 what happened here in talk of an internal feud, can 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:03.200 you categorically deny that. 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:08.920 Absolutely, there's still some It's extraordinary that the media want 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:11.320 to concentrate on what didn't happen as opposed to what 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:11.920 did happen. 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:16.760 Always criticizing the media, but the problems extend to other 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:20.040 areas as well. There's reports today that tensions are flaring 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:23.960 between the pair between Albanzi and plibisk over the controversial 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:27.160 issue of salmon farming in Tasmania. And I'm going to 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:29.600 talk about that with Joe gilder Brand and Steve Price 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:33.640 in a moment. But clearly on the environment laws there 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:37.160 was a deal that Albanzi scuffe it. Perhaps it didn't 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:40.440 bother him that he'd step all over Plibisek. They've been 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:45.920 political rivals for years, but Tanya Plibisek is reportedly pretty 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:51.000 angry about how this unfolded. And meanwhile, the sense voters 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:54.720 have is that they're not being told the truth. I mean, 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:57.000 wouldn't it have been better for alben Ezi to say, 0:14:57.640 --> 0:15:01.120 yep Wa was unhappy about these law it was going 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:03.840 to cost us votes at the next election, so we 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:07.320 dump them. Isn't it better for him to be honest 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:11.400 with Australians instead of muddling up excuses and getting caught 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:15.520 out trying to twist the truth because voters are smart, 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:19.520 certainly smarter than alban easy, that's for sure, and we 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:26.440 can see easily through his shenanigans. All Right, a big 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:29.840 show coming up. I've got New York Post columnist Miranda 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:33.520 Devine joining me to discuss Joe Biden's stunning backflip on 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:37.120 his decision to pardon his son Cameron Milner, Warren Mundine, 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:37.960 Sarah Henderson. 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:39.320 But first, let's. 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:42.880 Bring in our Sky News host Steve Price and contributor 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:43.800 Joe Hildebrandt. 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:44.280 Welcome. 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:49.000 Before we get to you, Joe trying to defend Albo 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:55.480 Steve Price, we are seeing repeated signs here of disunity 0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:58.280 at the very top of the alban Easy government, not 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:01.560 just the rift between alban Ezi and Antonia Plebisak, but 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:05.600 colleagues who are really concerned about how he treated her, 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:08.240 a senior woman in the Albanese government. 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:12.840 Yeah, it resembles the shambles, doesn't it. And when you 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:15.120 put those clips together as you have tonight, I mean 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:18.240 you can just see Anthony Albanesi dodging and weaving. It 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:20.760 can be very interesting to see how Joe defends him tonight. 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:22.240 But I mean you've got to go all the way 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:24.800 back to when they won the election. I mean, Tania 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:27.480 Plubisec wanted to be Education minister, as I understand it, 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:32.160 and Anthony Alberanzi threw her the handball she didn't want 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:34.800 to receive, which was environment She didn't want to do 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:41.840 that job. She was very unhappy about the job she 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:44.520 was given. So it's no surprise that that's come to this. 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:48.360 What is surprising though, is the fact that Anthony Albanezi 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:50.200 would be so blunt about it that he would have 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:53.240 Katie Gallagher in the meeting. He's got Bant there, he's 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:57.640 got other Green MPs. I would say that in the past. 0:16:58.360 --> 0:17:00.360 I'll be interested in your view on the Sharin. In 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:04.960 the past, a minister, cabinet minister treated that badly would 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:06.800 put their hand up and say, I'm going to jump 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:08.720 out of this job. I'll go to the back bench. Thanks, 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:10.200 and I'll see you down the track. 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:12.760 Joe, what do you think. 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:15.840 I'm not sure a cabinet minister would do that so publicly. 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:17.440 They knife the leader in the background. 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:18.800 I've done it in the past. 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:23.199 But this is an undeniable not just rift but leaking 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:24.800 as well against the Prime minister. 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:28.000 Yeah, look, I think it's certainly Steve is right that 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:31.919 Tanya plud Sect was expecting to continue in the education portfolio, 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:34.920 in so much as anyone expected anything. But the Prime 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:38.280 Minister's job is to allocate portfolios in the cabinet, and 0:17:38.320 --> 0:17:40.280 that is the Prime Minister's prerogative, so he's allowed to 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:44.000 give anyone whatever jobs he wants in terms of the 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:47.439 actual decision making, and again putting aside the sort of 0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:50.119 personal rift or whatever that people seem to be obsessed with. 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:54.359 Are you suggesting or is there a suggestion that the 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:59.160 PM should have stuck with the nature positive laws done 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:02.159 with the green where a deal has been done with 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:03.600 the Greens. That could potend to. 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:06.359 The suggestion is he hasn't been a frunt about it. 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:10.080 And besides, these controversial laws were laws that he promised 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:12.399 he would introduce before the elections. 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:15.280 Right, that's right, and in the and in the cold 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:17.480 light of day once he's actually got his hands from 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:17.800 the range. 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:19.040 It has been upfront about that. 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:20.840 But he hasn't he said no, we're still going to 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:25.800 introduce them next year. He's not even saying that they're there. 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:28.199 Have There have been three three issues. And again I 0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:29.960 like Daniel Pipers a lot as well as you say, 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:32.640 I like everybody. But there was the mcfillmy's gold mine 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:36.280 fast where this blue band don't exist. 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:37.640 We do this every one week. 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:39.840 There was there was a there was a literal one 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:44.040 billion dollar gold mine where a submission about a blue 0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:47.080 banded bee and there's a dreaming of that and a 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:50.879 dreaming of that bee that the actual local official Aboriginal 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:55.520 elders say is bogus, is bollis. 0:18:54.440 --> 0:18:55.280 Or her decisions? 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:57.960 Can I just say they are both from the radical 0:18:58.040 --> 0:18:58.679 left faction. 0:18:58.760 --> 0:18:59.880 Tania plab second an. 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:08.879 Easy and leadership governing from the center. State's gardening from this. 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:12.240 He's not even governing at all, John. 0:19:14.600 --> 0:19:17.320 Good Gardening at all. 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:19.480 He's not not just not from the center, he's not 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:20.120 governing at all. 0:19:20.200 --> 0:19:22.800 But Tanyli, you would rather deal with the Greens goast. 0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:25.720 No one said that Joe tiny Plibise remains a future 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:29.040 leadership threat to alban Easy and that's why he's so 0:19:29.119 --> 0:19:30.879 concerned about her and why he put her in this 0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:34.200 portfolio in the first place, and potentially why she's causing 0:19:34.280 --> 0:19:35.359 him so many problems. 0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:37.440 Let's turn to the budget now. 0:19:37.480 --> 0:19:41.440 We're looking at fresh budget forecasts from economist Chris Richardson 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:43.200 and have a look at what he said. 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:44.399 He said that since being. 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:48.360 Elected, the government has made decisions that have added one 0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:53.399 hundred and four billion dollars to spending while also raising 0:19:53.440 --> 0:19:57.640 taxes by forty four billion dollars for a net worsening 0:19:57.680 --> 0:20:02.160 of the budget bottom line by six see billion dollars. Steve, 0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:06.119 isn't this irresponsible spending in an inflation crisis? 0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:08.720 Well, of course it is. 0:20:08.760 --> 0:20:11.960 I mean, and he may be copying Tim Pallas in Victoria, 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:14.399 because all they do down here is also try and 0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:16.560 spend their way out of trouble. I mean, they've made 0:20:16.880 --> 0:20:20.000 so many promises. I mean, obviously the hex deebt promise 0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:23.320 is going to be very expensive. Jim Chalmers got lucky, 0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:26.920 he got two surpluses and now the economics have caught 0:20:26.960 --> 0:20:29.119 up with him and as they head toward the election 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:32.000 the time he couldn't be any worse. The debt is soaring. 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:34.800 Are you going to get budget deficits are The Australian 0:20:34.840 --> 0:20:37.320 reported last week there was a forty two billion dollar 0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:41.320 turnaround to the worst downwards and so now they're going 0:20:41.359 --> 0:20:43.159 to have to fight an election. They're going to have 0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:46.480 to promise more things that they have to go. If 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:49.200 they go, you know, in the first half of next year, 0:20:49.280 --> 0:20:51.159 they're going to have to come out after the Christmas 0:20:51.200 --> 0:20:53.840 break and promise more spending. That's the only way they 0:20:53.880 --> 0:20:56.760 think they're going to get re elected. Make expensive promises 0:20:56.760 --> 0:20:57.920 and hope you suck people in. 0:20:58.200 --> 0:20:59.920 Yeah, I think that is going to be a made 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:02.080 worry pre election spending announcements. 0:21:02.160 --> 0:21:03.560 But Joe, I want to get your prediction. 0:21:03.800 --> 0:21:06.040 There's a lot of debate over whether or not there's 0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:07.720 going to be another budget. 0:21:07.960 --> 0:21:08.800 What do you think? 0:21:08.920 --> 0:21:11.760 Look, it's a hard one. I think the most important 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:13.720 thing they will be looking at is not the budget. 0:21:13.760 --> 0:21:15.159 It's whether or not there is a likelihood of a 0:21:15.200 --> 0:21:17.040 rate cart, So that will determine whether or not they 0:21:17.119 --> 0:21:18.919 go for an election. If they think they can just 0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:22.640 squeeze out and going to happen before an election, that's right. 0:21:22.640 --> 0:21:24.200 So if it looks like that, if it looks like 0:21:24.200 --> 0:21:25.800 there's going to be no chance of a rate card, 0:21:26.080 --> 0:21:29.760 they will probably go early because they will not want 0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:31.600 to be in the middle of a campaign with people 0:21:31.640 --> 0:21:34.480 hoping for or expecting a rate cut and not getting one, 0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:36.000 So you would go earlier. 0:21:35.960 --> 0:21:38.320 So he might not return to parliament in that scenario. 0:21:38.480 --> 0:21:41.120 I think the budget is this I think yea possibly. 0:21:41.320 --> 0:21:44.640 I think the budget is a secondary consideration. And while 0:21:44.760 --> 0:21:46.840