Speaker 1: Why on Sky News Bits and Sharry.
Speaker 2: Good Evening. Welcome to the show tonight. Anthony Albanesi slammed
Speaker 2: for destroying the nation's economy all to appease the unions.
Speaker 2: More on that in a moment. Also on the show,
Speaker 2: a Green senator who refuses to say that Hermas is
Speaker 2: a terrorist organization gets a seat on a committee examining antisemitism.
Speaker 2: Just how does this happen? I'll discuss this with Shadow
Speaker 2: Education Minister Sarah Henderson later. Plus, the visas for Gaza
Speaker 2: issue continues to tie the Albanesi government in knots. More
Speaker 2: on that coming up, and who would make a better
Speaker 2: Prime Minister, Bill Shorten or Albanizi. I'll discuss this with
Speaker 2: my political panel later in the show. But first, the
Speaker 2: Prime Minister today celebrated new right to Disconnect laws which
Speaker 2: ban bosses from contacting staff after hours. The alb and
Speaker 2: Easy claimed these laws would give people more time with
Speaker 2: their family, when in fact they mark a dark return
Speaker 2: to a bygone era of nine to five office hours.
Speaker 2: Here was the Prime Minister claiming that answering the occasional
Speaker 2: after hours email was a mental health issue.
Speaker 3: This applies from today for large employers small businesses don't
Speaker 3: kick in for another year. But it is a common
Speaker 3: sense definition basically for some jobs. Obviously, people like mine,
Speaker 3: I'm on called twenty four hours a day. But for
Speaker 3: many Australians I think they're getting frustrated that they're expected
Speaker 3: to be on their phones, their emails, all of that
Speaker 3: for twenty four hours a day. It's a mental health
Speaker 3: issue frankly as well. For people to be able to
Speaker 3: disconnect from their work and connect with their family and
Speaker 3: their life is what this is about.
Speaker 2: Well, the Coalition and the Business Council say that these
Speaker 2: new laws are unnecessary and a major productivity drain at
Speaker 2: a time when slow productivity growth is a factor in
Speaker 2: inflation remaining high and in terms of Australia staying competitive,
Speaker 2: will we need to go toe to toe with companies globally?
Speaker 2: Do you see governments in China, the United States or
Speaker 2: India forcing their workers to knock off at a certain time.
Speaker 2: It's absurd government regulation in the business sector and this
Speaker 2: comes at a time when AI is already challenging human productivity.
Speaker 2: But why I want to speak about this tonight is
Speaker 2: because these laws have a much bigger drawback from a
Speaker 2: societal perspective. One major issue with these laws is that
Speaker 2: they will inevitably put a handbrake on mothers returning to
Speaker 2: work after having children. Women have been fighting for flexible
Speaker 2: working hours for decades. One of the only good things
Speaker 2: to come out of the pandemic is that it showed
Speaker 2: that working from home was entirely feasible. How to get
Speaker 2: women to return to the work force after kids has
Speaker 2: been a major political discussion point for years. The Albanezer
Speaker 2: government claims the answer is free childcare, but not all
Speaker 2: mothers want to leave their babies in childcare for an
Speaker 2: entire day while they go to the office, and many
Speaker 2: mothers want to be there to pick their young children
Speaker 2: up from school in the afternoon and be there to
Speaker 2: help with the homework. Flexible working arrangements mean that mothers
Speaker 2: can return to work while still being able to juggle
Speaker 2: the demands of children, and many mothers work while their
Speaker 2: kids are at school and then they log back on
Speaker 2: when they're asleep at night. It's working in a way
Speaker 2: that suits parenting. This doesn't only apply to mums, of course,
Speaker 2: and I'm sure you can see the same but I
Speaker 2: see more and more dads doing school pickup and turning
Speaker 2: up for book parade, book Week parade like there was
Speaker 2: last week and other activities. But this is now all
Speaker 2: under threat thanks to Anthony Albanese's new laws. Bosses could
Speaker 2: get hold into court, they could be fined if they
Speaker 2: contact workers after hours, so it very clearly threatens flexible
Speaker 2: working arrangements. Albanize's new laws work to enforce a return
Speaker 2: to strict nine to five hours because that's when bosses
Speaker 2: are allowed to speak to their staff email them without
Speaker 2: any confusion. Now, this isn't great for parents and certainly
Speaker 2: not great for young children who enjoy having their parents
Speaker 2: their mums around in the afternoon. It's obvious that if
Speaker 2: employers know that they can't contact after five or six
Speaker 2: o'clock at night, then they're going to put pressure on
Speaker 2: that individual to complete the work before that time. This
Speaker 2: means that flexibility disappears. No matter what the Prime Minister
Speaker 2: all the unions say about it, this will be the reality.
Speaker 2: It just can't be any other way now. Of course,
Speaker 2: every person in every job has a different circumstance and
Speaker 2: not every job allows for flexible working arrangements, but there
Speaker 2: are a lot that do, and I know personally speaking
Speaker 2: without flexible working arrangements. There's no way I could have
Speaker 2: returned to work with very young children, even with babies. Instead,
Speaker 2: I was able to work flexibly. I could contribute to
Speaker 2: society while still feeling like my kids weren't missing out
Speaker 2: and having their mum around. But the Prime Minister is
Speaker 2: far removed from what women or working parents want. He's
Speaker 2: only thinking about men without responsibilities. Well, watching the footy
Speaker 2: with a beer on a Friday night.
Speaker 4: But what kind of impact do you think being on
Speaker 4: call all the time and always wide into work and.
Speaker 5: Be available does have on our mental health?
Speaker 2: Do you worry about that with the stranes.
Speaker 3: I certainly do it. It means you can't relax. You
Speaker 3: can't be sitting there watching the footy on a Friday
Speaker 3: night without thinking that you're potentially going to have to
Speaker 3: check your emails and check what's going on.
Speaker 2: The Prime Minister is living in the past. He still
Speaker 2: thinks people work nine to five jobs. Listen to this.
Speaker 3: The idea that you should be on call at ten
Speaker 3: o'clock at night if you work a nine to five
Speaker 3: job isn't reasonable and that will lead to better relations
Speaker 3: in the workplace.
Speaker 2: And the Prime Minister claimed that he knew people who
Speaker 2: were waking up all through the night to reply to
Speaker 2: work emails. Well, those people are probably his own staff.
Speaker 2: Of course, there'll be the odd unreasonable boss who emails
Speaker 2: excessively after hours. But you don't set new laws that
Speaker 2: will impact on the entire economy, the whole country and
Speaker 2: a whole generation of parents for the odd bad apple.
Speaker 2: The Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry is also very
Speaker 2: worried about the impact that these laws will have on productivity.
Speaker 6: From a business point of view, we think it's unnecessary.
Speaker 6: We really think this is a solution that's in search
Speaker 6: of a problem in the first place. A lot of
Speaker 6: this could be dealt with through common sense. We don't
Speaker 6: think we needed to have legislation here for this. We
Speaker 6: are concerned about the productivity impact and we are concerned
Speaker 6: about the impact eventually on small business.
Speaker 2: The reality is these are laws that appease the unions.
Speaker 2: It's a point Peter Dutton made today.
Speaker 7: You know, labor is slowly destroying the Australian economy costs
Speaker 7: her up for everything. We're talking about electricity blackouts, insurance
Speaker 7: premiums have gone through the roof, and most employers do
Speaker 7: the right thing by their employees. But at the moment,
Speaker 7: I think the government's creating an environment of animosity and
Speaker 7: tension between employers and employees where it doesn't need to exist.
Speaker 7: Why are they doing that because that's what the CFMAU
Speaker 7: and the other big unions tell them to do.
Speaker 2: And the unions did celebrate the ACTU president Michelle O'Neil
Speaker 2: called today an historic day because of the new laws.
Speaker 2: She's out Australian unions have reclaimed the right to knock
Speaker 2: off after work. Well, what rubbish knockoff after work? They're
Speaker 2: literally appealing to people in their twenties. No one else
Speaker 2: knocks off after work. Life is a constant juggle for
Speaker 2: parents and grandparents. I mean who is knocking off after
Speaker 2: work and going to the pub? Literally, no one that
Speaker 2: I know. And for the young people who are knocking off, well,
Speaker 2: this idea that they need mental health time away from
Speaker 2: their phones is ludicrous and by the way, that is
Speaker 2: what the PM suggested. Have a listen.
Speaker 3: But what it will do is take that pressure off
Speaker 3: people to be constantly checking their devices. It is it
Speaker 3: is a scourge in so many ways.
Speaker 2: Okay, so young people don't need to feel the pressure
Speaker 2: anymore to constantly check their device. Most people, and especially
Speaker 2: young people, are inseparable from their phones. You can't make
Speaker 2: them put them down. They're constantly attached to their devices.
Speaker 2: So who are these laws actually help. They're hindering small
Speaker 2: business that will have to spend money on red tape
Speaker 2: and compliance. They're going to force parents back into the
Speaker 2: dark ages. Mothers might have to stop working. It seems
Speaker 2: to be a soft to the unions. The Prime Minister's
Speaker 2: rules are a return to a bygone era. There are
Speaker 2: a handbrake on the flexible working arrangements that all major
Speaker 2: companies globally are moving towards. And if you're still on
Speaker 2: show if these laws are a good idea or not,
Speaker 2: you only have to look at the most forward leaning
Speaker 2: tech companies globally that are renowned as the best places
Speaker 2: to work. They're more often they're not unicorn tech companies
Speaker 2: that know how to attract and retain talent, and they
Speaker 2: know how to innovate while maintaining productivity. All of them
Speaker 2: are encouraging flexible working hours and none of them are
Speaker 2: cutting off emails post five pm. It's the reverse. It's
Speaker 2: allowing flexibility, allowing employees to choose their own hours while
Speaker 2: still getting the job done. Now. Over the weekend came
Speaker 2: the news that the Taliban had banned women's voices and
Speaker 2: faces in public banned.
Speaker 8: According to the new rules, which cover all aspects of
Speaker 8: Afghan society, women are not allowed to sing, recite, or
Speaker 8: read aloud in public. They are required to cover their faces.
Speaker 2: This is the Taliban regime that Joe Biden wrongly believed
Speaker 2: had miraculously transformed into a modern movement when he pulled
Speaker 2: American forces out. Yet the Taliban is more repressive and
Speaker 2: brutal than ever, banning women's voices and faces. But here's
Speaker 2: what I want to know. Where were the protests? Where
Speaker 2: were the marchers on the streets of Sydney, London, New York?
Speaker 2: Where were the rallies at college campuses around the world.
Speaker 2: This exposes that it's truly not the plight of Muslim
Speaker 2: women or children that the Left cares about. The pro
Speaker 2: Palestinian movement should really be called an anti Israel or
Speaker 2: anti Zionist movement, even an anti Jew movement, because how
Speaker 2: else to explain the stunning hypocrisy when not one person
Speaker 2: stood up to march for the women in Afghanistan? Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: the Albanezi government is still struggling to explain to Australian
Speaker 2: voters why it's allowing Hi Must supporters into the country.
Speaker 2: Defense Minister and Deputy PM Richard Miles was asked four
Speaker 2: times why visitor visas were being used from a terrorist
Speaker 2: hotspot instead of other visa classes that have rigorous security vetting. Well,
Speaker 2: he just couldn't answer.
Speaker 9: Why did the government decide to give visit of visasat
Speaker 9: year and not some sort of temporary humanitarian visa?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 4: Can I just this has been a total distraction that
Speaker 4: has been run by the opposition over the course of
Speaker 4: the last two weeks. That's actually what's going on in
Speaker 4: the Parliament right now.
Speaker 9: Andrew why visitor visas?
Speaker 4: What there is is an attempt to distract from the
Speaker 4: fact that the opposition have nothing to say.
Speaker 9: Mister Miles except they were never coming as visitors, were they?
Speaker 9: They weren't coming to see the opera house. They were
Speaker 9: fleeing a war zone. So why wasn't there a humanitarian
Speaker 9: visa in place?
Speaker 4: Again, I just come back to the fact that the
Speaker 4: I mean, everyone has their own story in terms of
Speaker 4: the circumstances on which they are coming to Australia. But
Speaker 4: whatever that is, there is a security assessment which is done.
Speaker 9: Are you satisfied then none of the people coming on
Speaker 9: those visitor visas will be a risk going forward.
Speaker 4: I'm satisfied that all the security checks are in place
Speaker 4: in respect of this cohort as have applied to any
Speaker 4: cohort who have come to this country. Yes, I am.
Speaker 2: That was a great interview by Andrew Clenell. And then
Speaker 2: you had Bill Shorten who did concede that Palestinians coming
Speaker 2: from Gaza could be Hermas supporters.
Speaker 10: People coming from Gaza. I don't know. I've never had
Speaker 10: the misfortune to live under a terrorist regime.
Speaker 9: I don't know, David.
Speaker 10: If you lived in Gaza and you had to do
Speaker 10: a survey when you might depend on your food and
Speaker 10: the government does a survey, and so do you support Hamas.
Speaker 5: I don't know what you'd.
Speaker 10: Say, David, but you'd probably way up the interesting your family.
Speaker 10: The reality is the Hamas question is I think superseded
Speaker 10: by the way that the governments of both sides have
Speaker 10: handled this issue, which is is someone a security risk?
Speaker 2: And those questions on the weekend came after Anthony Alberisi
Speaker 2: refused to say in Parliament on Thursday that support for
Speaker 2: hama Us wouldn't preclude someone from being granted an Australian visa.
Speaker 2: If you missed it, here was that telling Exchange.
Speaker 5: Prime Minister does supporting Hamas past the character test for
Speaker 5: an Australian visa.
Speaker 3: Everyone who applies for an Australian visa is subject to
Speaker 3: the same security standard except by the same agencies and
Speaker 3: the same personnel as under the former government.
Speaker 2: Well Columbist Chris Mitchell today wrote about the fact that
Speaker 2: almin Easy couldn't definitively declare that support for a prescribed
Speaker 2: terror group would deny someone access to a visa, and
Speaker 2: he said this is the real fault line in this
Speaker 2: left faction led government that is unlike all previous labor governments.
Speaker 2: And Columbist Henry Ogas on the weekend brilliantly explained how
Speaker 2: ludicrous the accusations of racism are against Peter Dutton and
Speaker 2: he wrote it is hardly racist to oppose the entry
Speaker 2: into this country of genocidal races. And Henrio a Gas
Speaker 2: also points out the hypocrisy of the Albanesi government, which
Speaker 2: has claimed that anti Semitism has no place in Australia.
Speaker 2: That's what the Prime Minister has said. But yet, as
Speaker 2: henrio Gas writes, how then could it possibly issue visas
Speaker 2: to people who sympathize However, rhetorically, with a movement based
Speaker 2: on a psychotic hostility to Jews, is this country social
Speaker 2: cohesion worth so little that it deserves to be shredded
Speaker 2: for the sake of a few votes. Well, it seems
Speaker 2: that under the Albanese government that is indeed the case.
Speaker 2: And it's not just social cohesion that's being shredded, but
Speaker 2: national security and community safety are at peril. Two reckless
Speaker 2: and grave risks to take simply to help labor hold
Speaker 2: onto marginal seats. Well, to discuss all of this and more,
Speaker 2: bring in our Minday panel sky News contributor Joe Hildebrand
Speaker 2: and Sky News host Steve Price. Welcome both. Joe, I
Speaker 2: want to start with you. Let's start with the right
Speaker 2: to disconnect laws. What do you think about the impact
Speaker 2: that this will inevitably have on working parents.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I'm actually inclined to and I agree with you.
Speaker 11: I'm all over the place half the time. I've picked
Speaker 11: up the kids and dropped them off today and it
Speaker 11: was sort of working in the middle and sort of
Speaker 11: working now, even though I would do it for free
Speaker 11: cause I love it so much, and I would not
Speaker 11: do it for free. Sky News please kay. But but
Speaker 11: I think we're except I think we think about these
Speaker 11: things from the point of view of a journalist, from
Speaker 11: point of view of someone who is doing a job
Speaker 11: they really love. I think for other employees for who
Speaker 11: work is a bit of a drudge, is a bit
Speaker 11: of a drag, I think they would probably be more
Speaker 11: grateful that. I don't know how much it actually happens.
Speaker 11: I suspect the Chamber of Commerce guy with actually create
Speaker 11: when he said, this seems like a solution in search
Speaker 11: of a problem, And I think if you have, you know,
Speaker 11: I think the most important thing in the world probably
Speaker 11: is in many ways is respect in the workplace and
Speaker 11: having a good relationship with your colleagues and your employer,
Speaker 11: because working is sort of the one thing that you
Speaker 11: might not actually want to do in life, and so
Speaker 11: you have to make it as kind of it.
Speaker 2: It's not just respect. I think Steve that bosses will
Speaker 2: now be grouped with confusion about can they email someone
Speaker 2: after hours or not. I mean, it's just ridiculous to
Speaker 2: put these laws in place. And then there's the flexible
Speaker 2: working arrangements point that I've made at the start of
Speaker 2: the show, that this is going to have an impact
Speaker 2: on working mothers.
Speaker 12: It doesn't reflect modern Australia, does it. I mean, that's
Speaker 12: the nonsense of it. And I heard a great talkback
Speaker 12: caller forgive me. I was listening to ABC Radio today.
Speaker 12: I don't know why I was doing that what I
Speaker 12: was And one of the callers rang up and said, Okay,
Speaker 12: I run a small business. If I can't contact my
Speaker 12: employees after hours, can I then ask them not to
Speaker 12: be on their phones during working hours in the office,
Speaker 12: looking at Instagram, face Book and doing all of their
Speaker 12: private business. I mean, if I can't talk to them
Speaker 12: after ours, why are they sitting there doing their own
Speaker 12: private stuff during the week. I thought you summed it
Speaker 12: up beautifully, Shari. I would pull you up on one point.
Speaker 12: Joe and I are definitely two people who would knock
Speaker 12: off work and go to them.
Speaker 11: That's exactly right, That's exactly right. We'd probably checking our
Speaker 11: emails over.
Speaker 2: The school, so you would like to go to the part.
Speaker 2: But you are picking your children up from school. You
Speaker 2: are a modern.
Speaker 11: Day yeah, all the time. That's my job. Will be
Speaker 11: completely impossible. You know. It would be a brave man
Speaker 11: who told my editor that he couldn't contact me after hours,
Speaker 11: and I wouldn't want him to. He said, you know,
Speaker 11: we've got to get Joe on this thing. And someone
Speaker 11: said I've got his number, I can call him. He goes, no, no, no,
Speaker 11: I'll call him and I know he'll always answer the phone.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, let's look at that other topic. What
Speaker 2: did you think of a start with you, Steve Richard
Speaker 2: Miles's inability to answer for straightforward questions to Andrew Clenell.
Speaker 12: Great great interview by Andrew. And Andrew ask the question
Speaker 12: five different ways, but they were all completely legitimate, and
Speaker 12: Richard Miles just stat there, putting up the facade that
Speaker 12: oh no, well, and the best question Andrew asked was, well,
Speaker 12: they were never coming here to visit the opera house.
Speaker 12: They were coming here because they were escaping a war
Speaker 12: zone and they had no intention of going home again.
Speaker 12: I mean, Labor has just dug itself into this massive
Speaker 12: hole over this issue, and they think that the wider
Speaker 12: public is just going to sit back and go, oh, well,
Speaker 12: there's nothing to see here, you know, they've all been
Speaker 12: checked out beautifully and we can't be worried about any
Speaker 12: of them. No one believes that, and the government really
Speaker 12: needs to start to be honest with itself and with
Speaker 12: the Australian public.
Speaker 2: And it is a border security issue, Joe, This is
Speaker 2: what it actually is resonating with voters. Even though Albinizik
Speaker 2: and the other ministers keep saying, oh, why is the
Speaker 2: opposition wasting its time on this? Well, it plays into
Speaker 2: that perception that the Prime minister's soft on national security.
Speaker 11: Oh very much so. And I think you know that
Speaker 11: law and order. The immigrant detainees were released by the
Speaker 11: High Court recently and the government didn't seem to have
Speaker 11: anything ready to stop them. I think all of that
Speaker 11: is part of Peter Dutton sort of suite of his
Speaker 11: armory if you like that. He's chucking at the government,
Speaker 11: and that's what opposition leaders are paid to do. I
Speaker 11: don't understand why the government just doesn't go, Look, we
Speaker 11: gave them visit of visas because there was no third
Speaker 11: country to process them. Because Egypt, Jordan, all these Arab
Speaker 11: countries surrounding Israel are not pulling their weight. Australia has
Speaker 11: always been a country of high migration. We have always
Speaker 11: been a country with a high humanitarian intake, even compared
Speaker 11: with much larger countries like the US and US. But
Speaker 11: that's right. But the reason why they have to use
Speaker 11: visit of visas clearly is because the length of time
Speaker 11: it would take to process a humanitarian visa would make
Speaker 11: it untenable for anyone actually applying from Gaza because they're
Speaker 11: in the middle of a hot war zone, So unlike
Speaker 11: being in a refugee camp outside the borders of Syria
Speaker 11: or in Lebanon or something like that, where you can
Speaker 11: be in relative safety and wait the months and months
Speaker 11: it takes to get as juanitaryan visa proceeds.
Speaker 2: Defend explaining this, but this is this is this is
Speaker 2: what you would say.
Speaker 11: This is what you would say, rich and ironic. No,
Speaker 11: I'm explaining exactly why they've done it. They obviously have.
Speaker 2: To say they've done it.
Speaker 11: Seed is more important, yes, because you're getting someone You're
Speaker 11: not getting someone out when morey g camp getting more
Speaker 11: important than.
Speaker 12: Security, are you well.
Speaker 11: Most of the refugees that we would take from war
Speaker 11: zones would have gone to a third country or a
Speaker 11: UN refugee camp. First, which means that you could take.
Speaker 2: The time an easy government should have done, no Steve.
Speaker 2: If they were.
Speaker 11: Desperate that there are the borders are shut, they can't get.
Speaker 2: They can set a camp up somewhere in Egypt or
Speaker 2: somewhere else. If they desperately take these people in, do
Speaker 2: the security checks, do every security check possible to make
Speaker 2: sure Hamas supporters are not coming to they might pose
Speaker 2: a security The.
Speaker 11: Whole point is that those Arab nations around Israel are
Speaker 11: not doing that, and that should be emphasized. They are
Speaker 11: not pulling their weight, they're not playing their part. They're
Speaker 11: doing it because they want Palestinians to be trapped in
Speaker 11: Gaza as human shields.
Speaker 12: So what are you going to say, Joe, when we
Speaker 12: import someone What are you going to say, Joe, when
Speaker 12: we import someone from Palestine who is Ahama sympathizer and
Speaker 12: God forbid does something that they shouldn't do, You're going
Speaker 12: to say, oh, well, we had to hurry them through
Speaker 12: because there was no other way to do it.
Speaker 11: I'm just saying, clearly, that's making clearly that is the rationale.
Speaker 11: But this is what dare not speak its name. Clearly,
Speaker 11: that is the rationale that the government has applied, and
Speaker 11: it should at least basically say that this is the
Speaker 11: rationale that's applying, instead of just pretending that there's nothing there.
Speaker 11: I mean that they seem to me, basically ironically enough
Speaker 11: to be using visitor visas in place of temporary protection visas,
Speaker 11: which of course lot exists.
Speaker 2: But let's move on to another topic, and we're going
Speaker 2: to look at the very sad funeral today of Herald's
Speaker 2: Son journalist Sam Landsberger. He was farewelled by hundreds of
Speaker 2: mortars at a service today. He was a talented, much
Speaker 2: loved football journalist. He was hit and killed by a
Speaker 2: truck last week. Steve, you're in Melbourne where Sam lived.
Speaker 2: Beautiful tributes pouring in for him. This is very tragic.
Speaker 2: You know, his family have done interviews and he was
Speaker 2: on the phone to his mum at the time when
Speaker 2: the accident happened.
Speaker 12: Such a tragic story. And just coincidentally, on that same
Speaker 12: day when Sam was cut down by that truck, I
Speaker 12: had walked down exactly the same street in Richmond on
Speaker 12: a long walk that morning. I got back and this
Speaker 12: story broke in the Herald Son and I just could
Speaker 12: not believe it. I mean, to be on the phone
Speaker 12: speaking with your mother. You then get hit by the
Speaker 12: truck and you know, the driver's being interviewed by police.
Speaker 12: The person who came to his aid, a passer by,
Speaker 12: picked up the phone, realized that it was still live
Speaker 12: and said to the mother whom I'm speaking to, I mean,
Speaker 12: I can't think of anything worse. And being a parent
Speaker 12: and having someone telling you that your child is dying
Speaker 12: in front of you, it's just beyond.
Speaker 2: Horrible, absolutely heartbreaking.
Speaker 11: Yeah, just start macturney. I couldn't better read a war
Speaker 11: of it, but I did obviously read a lot of it,
Speaker 11: and that particular moment was just phenomenal, but an incredible,
Speaker 11: incredibly moving moment in the community. But just I can't
Speaker 11: better think about it.
Speaker 2: Thought, No, just terrible.
Speaker 12: And it's a great young journo too. He was destined
Speaker 12: for good things. They were talking about him being the
Speaker 12: next number line to become the Herald Son's chief football
Speaker 12: writer and that's a massive job in Melbourne. It's the
Speaker 12: biggest job in sport in this town. And he was
Speaker 12: the next one in line and no longer. Sadly, yeah, and.
Speaker 2: We send we wish long life to Sam's parents. Tonight.
Speaker 2: All right, Steve Price, Johood around.
Speaker 12: Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Now, a conflict in the Middle East escalated over the weekend.
Speaker 2: As we saw, there were Israel and Hasbellar trading fire
Speaker 2: on Sunday. This is being described as a major flare up.
Speaker 2: Hesbelah launched a barrage of attacks at Israel over the
Speaker 2: killing of a top commander last month. Israeli Prime Minister
Speaker 2: benjaminetta Yahu said that it wasn't going to be the end,
Speaker 2: and Israel then launched a series of preemptive strikes on Hezbela.
Speaker 2: Let's bring it now. IDF International spokesperson Nadav Shoshani, Nadav,
Speaker 2: thank you very much for your time. Look what is
Speaker 2: the latest at the moment. Where is the situation at
Speaker 2: right now?
Speaker 13: Well, currently the tension have slowed a bit, but I
Speaker 13: wouldn't say normal. But the fighting is still going on
Speaker 13: in North Krisbada is still threatening to fire us to villas.
Speaker 13: We are still acting, importing any we can see coming
Speaker 13: taking out the units. But at the moment the tensions
Speaker 13: have lowered. Both sides are assessing the situation and waiting
Speaker 13: to see what goes on. For us, the goal remains
Speaker 13: to thwart terror and to bring back our people home
Speaker 13: to their houses in northern Israel not under an iminent
Speaker 13: threat of terror.
Speaker 2: There's also been an expectation that Iran would launch a
Speaker 2: series of attacks on Israel. Do you think the presence
Speaker 2: of United States warships in the Middle East has prevented
Speaker 2: that from taking place so far?
Speaker 13: Well, we have a large group of allies that are
Speaker 13: working with us behind the scenes and in front of
Speaker 13: the scenes, working together operationally and also in other aspects,
Speaker 13: supporting us in this and we value their support a lot.
Speaker 13: As we were speaking yesterday about the visit of the
Speaker 13: US chairman of their military and we are ready, as
Speaker 13: we were ready to attack from Krisba, to attack from Iran.
Speaker 13: But it's important to say we are attacked by Iran.
Speaker 13: In the last ten months. Iran is the one that
Speaker 13: funds and directs Kamas, chizbala UTIs and Yemen and a
Speaker 13: lot of terror organizations in the Middle East, all targeted
Speaker 13: towards Israel in the West, and we are facing, whether
Speaker 13: directly or not directly, Iran.
Speaker 14: The rockets yesterday from.
Speaker 13: Krisbala are funded, some of them are even from Iran.
Speaker 2: Absolutely look We're a very closely following the plight of
Speaker 2: the remaining hostages who are still being trapped in Gaza,
Speaker 2: we presume in tunnels held captive by Hamas. Do you
Speaker 2: believe many of them are still alive or are you
Speaker 2: concerned there are very few who are still alive.
Speaker 13: Well, everyday counts. This is why we're working around the
Speaker 13: clock to either get a deal or bring the hostages
Speaker 13: home within our operational event.
Speaker 5: And this is.
Speaker 13: Why every moment counts and every moment is support. And
Speaker 13: I'm currently in the Jewish communities outside of Gaza visiting
Speaker 13: the families the people who were hurt by this October
Speaker 13: seven massacre. They are still waiting for the loved loved
Speaker 13: ones to come home, and we believe dozens of them,
Speaker 13: a lot of them are still alive waiting to come
Speaker 13: home in horrible conditions with hamasteris keeping them, some of
Speaker 13: them in tunnels without the daylight. For soon, it's going
Speaker 13: to be a year I know will.
Speaker 2: Indeed, Nadavsha Shany really appreciate your time. Thank you now.
Speaker 2: After the break. Major questions tonight over the appointment of
Speaker 2: pro Palestinian Senator Marine Ferruki on a university anti Semitism Committee.
Speaker 2: Sarah Henderson will join me to discuss this next, plus
Speaker 2: why Australia has become a world leader in shooting itself
Speaker 2: in the foot Welcome back.
Speaker 13: Well.
Speaker 2: There are questions over Green Senator Marine for Ruki's place
Speaker 2: on an Anti Semitism at Campus Committee. Executive Council of
Speaker 2: Australian Jury CO Chief Executive Alex Rifchen told The Australian
Speaker 2: that her position compromises the integrity of the commission an
Speaker 2: exposes victims of antisemitism to further harm. He said it
Speaker 2: could also deter victims from actually giving evidence. Well to discuss,
Speaker 2: let's bring in now Shadow Minister for Education Sarah Henderson. Sarah,
Speaker 2: great to see you again. Great to see you, thanks Sherry. Now,
Speaker 2: given Marine Feriki's history in this space, and she did
Speaker 2: vote against so she voted against emotion that would have
Speaker 2: condemned the phrase from the river to the sea, we
Speaker 2: know what that phrase means. That she supported the pro
Speaker 2: Palestinian protesters at university who've created a very hostile environment
Speaker 2: for Jews, and that is at universities, which is the
Speaker 2: subject of the legislation that you put forward. Is it
Speaker 2: appropriate for her to sit on this committee.
Speaker 8: Well, I'm very concerned about it, and Julian Lisa, who's
Speaker 8: also brought forward a Private Senator's Bill to establish a
Speaker 8: judicial inquiry into anti Semitism at Australian Unversity, shares those
Speaker 8: same concerns. So this is an inquiry into my private
Speaker 8: Senator's bill and hopefully this book bill will be passed
Speaker 8: by the Parliament. That's what we are urging the Parliament
Speaker 8: to do. But it is quite concerning that Senator Fariki
Speaker 8: has been substituted into this inquiry into the bill. We
Speaker 8: are hoping there will be a public hearing and we
Speaker 8: want Jewish students and staff who've endured so much distress
Speaker 8: and harm on certain university campuses to feel confident to
Speaker 8: be able to come and sit before the inquiry and
Speaker 8: tell us their stories. And that's extremely difficult in that
Speaker 8: sort of environment.
Speaker 2: So she's going to be sitting there potentially asking tough
Speaker 2: or hostile questions towards Jews who are giving evidence.
Speaker 8: What I'm really hoping is that the Senator in charge
Speaker 8: of the Greens and the Senate Larissa Waters might reconsider
Speaker 8: this and that they might actually read in state. Senator
Speaker 8: shoe Bridge onto.
Speaker 2: The Count's what you're calling for tonight.
Speaker 8: I would like to see this situation fixed. I believe
Speaker 8: it is inflammatory. We have seen Seneferuki involved in some
Speaker 8: other very controversial incidents, including holding up that she was
Speaker 8: actually standing next to a sign which was posted on
Speaker 8: her social media which obviously showed the Star of David
Speaker 8: going into the rubbish bin. Now she did take that down,
Speaker 8: but that was very distressing. I think a lot of
Speaker 8: Jewish groups are very distressed by the prospect of her
Speaker 8: being on this committee. So I do hope sherriot can
Speaker 8: be rectified.
Speaker 2: Now I'm going to bring now an exclusive update to
Speaker 2: a story that I broke earlier in the year. That
Speaker 2: story was that Tel Aviv University officials were locked in
Speaker 2: a room with pro Palestinian activists at the University of Sydney.
Speaker 2: So University of Sydney security officials actually locked tel Aviv
Speaker 2: University offish in the same room as pro Palestinian activists. Well,
Speaker 2: we've obtained now an exclusive letter that Tel Aviv University
Speaker 2: sent to Vice Chancellor Mark Scott after that incident. The
Speaker 2: letters from the president of Tel Aviv University, Professor Ariel Porat,
Speaker 2: and it states that the Tel Aviv officials and I
Speaker 2: quote found themselves trapped in a room while the protesters
Speaker 2: sorry trapped in a room with the protesters while the
Speaker 2: university's security team refrained from intervening. Two women representatives of
Speaker 2: Tel Aviv University were forced to endure an extended period
Speaker 2: in a room with aggressive protesters, while the management of
Speaker 2: the University of Sydney seemingly did nothing and Professor Porat
Speaker 2: described the situation as appalling in his letter to Mark Scott,
Speaker 2: he said it was a violent instance of verbal assault
Speaker 2: against two women. He demanded a detailed explanation from Mark
Speaker 2: Scott about what he called extreme neglect by the university
Speaker 2: for failing to take responsibility for this shameful incident. Sarah,
Speaker 2: as far as we know, Mark Scott hasn't responded, but
Speaker 2: that letter shows just how hurtful, how damaging and distressing
Speaker 2: that incident was to these visiting officials who were invited
Speaker 2: by the university to take part.
Speaker 8: Or Sharry, you broke that story and it was an
Speaker 8: absolutely terrible incident where these two visiting academics were effectively
Speaker 8: trapped in a room and the University of Sydney did
Speaker 8: not take any action. Security guards were outside, and as
Speaker 8: the president of Tel Aviv University has said in his
Speaker 8: letter to Mark Scott, this is an example of extreme
Speaker 8: neglect by your university, and he is actually even saying
Speaker 8: I would appreciate answers to these questions to determine whether
Speaker 8: we wish to continue our academic relationship with our university.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 8: Hopefully, if this public hearing goes a hea for our
Speaker 8: inquiry into the bill to establish this judicial inquiry, I
Speaker 8: will be calling Mark Scott and we will be seeking
Speaker 8: a full explanation because this is a terrible incident of
Speaker 8: shocking anti semitism at the university and as I say,
Speaker 8: this is unacceptable.
Speaker 2: And what do you think of Mark Scott's leadership during
Speaker 2: this entire crisis that we've seen at the University of Sydney.
Speaker 8: Look, I have raised ongoing concerns about his leadership and
Speaker 8: about many appalling actions which occurred at the University of Sydney,
Speaker 8: including the decision not to take action against HITS but
Speaker 8: to hear members who are menacing students and protesting for weeks.
Speaker 8: The university took no action for many weeks. It didn't
Speaker 8: comply with its own university rules. I mean, it was
Speaker 8: just appalling. And this is one of the incidents. And
Speaker 8: this is another reason, Shari, why we need judicial inquiry.
Speaker 8: We cannot have our international reputation impacted by incidents like this.
Speaker 8: And the vice chancellor Owes tel Aviv University a full explanation,
Speaker 8: including whether that relationship will even continue and how he's
Speaker 8: going to remedy it. I mean he has actually said,
Speaker 8: what steps have you taken to show that there will
Speaker 8: be consequences for this sort of action?
Speaker 2: He says, have you even investigated? And I mean it's
Speaker 2: shocking in a way to see how quickly Mark Scott
Speaker 2: capitulated to demands from the pro Palestinian activists but hasn't
Speaker 2: even answered a letter as far as we know from
Speaker 2: the president of tel Aviv University. You know that they
Speaker 2: have a partnership and collaboration with It's appalling. Sarah Henderson,
Speaker 2: really appreciate your time.
Speaker 5: Thanks Sherry.
Speaker 2: Now still to come, why major political parties, particularly the
Speaker 2: Albanezy government, is being accused of ignoring the nation's energy crisis.
Speaker 2: Plus why a commentator is saying that Bill Shorton would
Speaker 2: make a better prime minister than Albanesi. My Political Insiders
Speaker 2: panel would join me next well, lots more to get
Speaker 2: through tonight, so let's jump straight into it with my
Speaker 2: Political Insiders panel GXO Strategies Director, former Chief of Staff
Speaker 2: to Bill Shorten, Cameron Milner and DPG Advisory Solutions David Gazzard.
Speaker 2: Welcome to you both. Look one commentator tonight, the editor
Speaker 2: of The Nightly, Christopherdore, is saying that maybe Bill Shorton
Speaker 2: would make a better prime minister then Anthony Albanesi. It's
Speaker 2: an interesting question, he writes, at the end of a
Speaker 2: week in which Albanesi stood before rural women, had a
Speaker 2: brain explosion and mocked in some weird as supported attempt
Speaker 2: at humor the sheep farmers. He's ruining to win over
Speaker 2: inner city voters. Albanizi trundled up to Townsville to speak
Speaker 2: at a bush summer. If only irony could be dug
Speaker 2: up and exported. Camen, you were Bill Shorten's form a
Speaker 2: chief of staff. What do you think about the maniflaws
Speaker 2: that dare outlines in this column.
Speaker 1: Well, it's a long list, isn't it, Shari, And let's
Speaker 1: face it. I mean, Albanese is a terrible prime minister
Speaker 1: leading a terrible government.
Speaker 5: But it's a government in his own likeness. This is
Speaker 5: the Albanese government. It's not even labor governm any longer.
Speaker 5: After the union bashing exercise last week against the Sea
Speaker 5: for MEU, it's not labor government. It's just the Albanese government.
Speaker 1: And so we last year we had the albert Voice
Speaker 1: and today we have the Albo Visa. This is a
Speaker 1: government in his own likeness, and no one likes it.
Speaker 1: Public don't want to vote for labor. The public to
Speaker 1: marked albow down, So I challenged Kristoph Door. I think
Speaker 1: anyone could be a better prime minister than Anthony Albanese right.
Speaker 2: Now, David Gazzard, what do you think I mean, there's
Speaker 2: no question that voters are losing interest in Albanesi. Look,
Speaker 2: he wasn't particularly supportive to begin with. The Labour's primary
Speaker 2: to the twenty twenty two election was an historic low.
Speaker 2: It's now, according to the polls, even lower than that.
Speaker 15: Well, you know, you look at where Anthony Eberneze has
Speaker 15: come from, and you know he's from the socialist laft
Speaker 15: factional Labor Party, but he's confronting issues that have nothing
Speaker 15: to do with that background. It's all about security, it's
Speaker 15: all about the economy. When I was working for Peter Costello,
Speaker 15: there would often be skirmishes with the Prime Minister because
Speaker 15: John Howard would cut across the budget message. And this
Speaker 15: was in a government that was running a very very
Speaker 15: good economy and there were times where there were messages conflicting.
Speaker 15: Jim Chalmers must be pulling his hair out because the
Speaker 15: only issue that voters want to focus on at the
Speaker 15: moment is cost of living in Security's got, as Cameron
Speaker 15: successful or correctly says, you've got the prownd Prome minister
Speaker 15: bouncing around from you know, going after farmers in Wa
Speaker 15: to mucking around for two weeks in the Parliament on
Speaker 15: Palestinian visas, to the cfom AU to the Voice, to
Speaker 15: whatever else distracts him. And the latest thing is his
Speaker 15: love life in the weekend papers. So people don't want
Speaker 15: to hear that. They want to hear about what the
Speaker 15: government's doing on cost of living and it's not coming through.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Now a great piece by Jeff Chambers
Speaker 2: in the Australia and he's slammed the major political parties
Speaker 2: over what he says are their weak gas plans. He
Speaker 2: says that the obsession with renewables versus nuclear is not
Speaker 2: the main game. He says. Australia faces a frightening shot
Speaker 2: to medium turn energy reality unless there's drastic action to
Speaker 2: increase gas supply, upgrade pipelines and build peaking plants. Cameron,
Speaker 2: is he right? Do you think that not enough investment
Speaker 2: has been made in gas?
Speaker 14: Well?
Speaker 1: I think Jeff Chamis is great and I love his
Speaker 1: camber insights. He's very insightful in terms of how he writes,
Speaker 1: and I think his opinion pieces spot on today. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're blessed with such huge natural resources, yet we're mendicant
Speaker 1: to other people.
Speaker 5: We're mendicant to a war in Ukraine in terms of
Speaker 5: our oil price.
Speaker 1: We should be far more interested in our economic security
Speaker 1: alongside our national security. Our national defense should be about
Speaker 1: our national energy defense. And if we're blessed with as
Speaker 1: much gas as we've got in New South Wales and Victoria,
Speaker 1: it's locked up because of the politics.
Speaker 5: Locked up because of politics, not because we don't know
Speaker 5: it's there, and that's terrible.
Speaker 1: At least Queensland, my home state, is producing more than
Speaker 1: enough gas for the East coast now. But going forward,
Speaker 1: when he unlocked those reserves in New South Wales and
Speaker 1: Victoria and become an energy nation again, not a mendicant nation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and of course a lot of gas is being exploded. David.
Speaker 2: There's also the issue we're hearing today front page of
Speaker 2: the paper, that we could be facing blackouts and power
Speaker 2: bill hikes. I mean, if this comes, particularly this summer,
Speaker 2: this is going to be a major, major political issue. Yeah.
Speaker 15: Right, the gas is there. If you talk to companies
Speaker 15: like Santos, they've spent much of the last decade with
Speaker 15: proven reserves trying to get the ability the ability to
Speaker 15: extract that gas from the ground. If you talk to
Speaker 15: government departments, they will tell you that gas is an
Speaker 15: essential transition fuel for the next decade, maybe beyond transition fuel.
Speaker 15: So we're not talking about long term, We're just talking
Speaker 15: about moving from fossil fuels to a greater reset of renewables.
Speaker 15: That's the government's own departmental advice. But yet we can't,
Speaker 15: for political reasons, get this gas out of the ground,
Speaker 15: even though we've got more gas than Katar. So the
Speaker 15: possibility of blackouts, brownouts, complete outages, I would say, is
Speaker 15: entirely possible. While the government campaigns to the next election
Speaker 15: with the need to gain preferences from the Greens.
Speaker 2: Look, summers are often a difficult time in politics, but
Speaker 2: if we are fa blackouts, and especially during a cost
Speaker 2: of living crisis when Bill's a sky high, that could
Speaker 2: be a killer issue for Albanezi. Look, Cameron, you mentioned
Speaker 2: a moment ago that interview that Alberzi gave with the
Speaker 2: Sunday Papers with Michael Madigan was the journalist at the
Speaker 2: Courier Mail. He said it was a shock when his
Speaker 2: ex wife, the former education minister in New South Wales,
Speaker 2: Carmel Tebbatt, asked for a divorce at the start of
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen. He said it made him consider quitting politics.
Speaker 2: But Cameron, what about this piece on his love life
Speaker 2: appearing on the very same day. And Albinizi is a
Speaker 2: clever Politicianiche would have known what he was doing at
Speaker 2: the same day as this disastrous election result in the
Speaker 2: Northern Territory for labor.
Speaker 1: Look, it's all a fabrication. I mean, you know we've
Speaker 1: known about Albanze's divorce and look, I don't want to
Speaker 1: get too personal matters, but you know this is a
Speaker 1: politician bleeding everything he possibly can of the nuptials that
Speaker 1: are a had to come with Jody.
Speaker 5: We talked about the wedding flowers and the cake and
Speaker 5: whether his suit fits in next.
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy is going to pick every other
Speaker 1: headline than talking about cost of living every other headline,
Speaker 1: than talking about gardens seventy five percent of who failed
Speaker 1: his a little visa test for terror.
Speaker 5: Yes, I mean he's talk about the real issues.
Speaker 1: He wants to get distracted on sugar hits and Sunday
Speaker 1: newspaper stories.
Speaker 5: About you know, his love life.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I'm sorry he's actually been elected to the
Speaker 1: Prime Minister of Australia.
Speaker 5: For now at least he should act like it.
Speaker 2: And painting himself as the victim. You know, poor old
Speaker 2: guy was left alone by Carmel Tabitt.
Speaker 1: Well, imagine if Shari, imagine if how much better Australia
Speaker 1: would be if Albert taking that advice in twenty nineteen
Speaker 1: and exit sideways. I mean, being in Parliament for twenty
Speaker 1: six years by that stage already he could have he
Speaker 1: could have left.
Speaker 2: Good point, all right, Karen Milna, David Gazard, thank you
Speaker 2: both so much. Now, after the break, the US election
Speaker 2: takes another turn as the world react to RFK Junior's
Speaker 2: endorsement of Trump, and will Kamala be rewarded for translating
Speaker 2: her campaign to the TikTok crowd? Koshergada would join me next,
Speaker 2: welcome back. Well, let's turn to the United States, where
Speaker 2: Robert F. Kennedy Junior, as you know by now called
Speaker 2: time on his independent presidential run and has thrown his
Speaker 2: support behind Donald Trump. The announcement has been condemned by
Speaker 2: other members of the influential Kennedy family, and Robert admitted
Speaker 2: that even his wife wasn't pleased with the decision. To
Speaker 2: discuss what's bringing now. Sky News contributor Kosher Gada Kosher,
Speaker 2: how do you think this is going to play out?
Speaker 2: I mean, his figures had dropped to reportedly around five percent,
Speaker 2: So already Kamala Harris had won back some of the
Speaker 2: Democrat voters who weren't voting for Biden but were going
Speaker 2: with RFK Junior. But also his support of Trump might
Speaker 2: boost Trump's vote as well. How do you see it
Speaker 2: playing out?
Speaker 14: It's potentially a very big deal. So you are right
Speaker 14: that it is. He was polling as high as eighteen
Speaker 14: nineteen even twenty percent. That was when Biden was very unpopular,
Speaker 14: and you're quite right that Kama Harris has naturally been
Speaker 14: able to take most of that back. However, that five
Speaker 14: to six percent that he's still including in the seven
Speaker 14: battleground states is quite material because these are states that
Speaker 14: have been won and lost in the less several elections
Speaker 14: to the tune of seventy thousand votes or less. In
Speaker 14: that situation, This five to six percent polling that he has,
Speaker 14: if there's different pollsters that are modeling how those votes
Speaker 14: would flow across the two candidates, they believe it'll translate
Speaker 14: into one to two points in favor of Trump just mathematically,
Speaker 14: that theoretically is enough to swing the election one way
Speaker 14: or the other. On top of that, I think there's
Speaker 14: a bigger picture of what his endorsement means. He's one
Speaker 14: of the most iconic Democrats in American politics. Is the
Speaker 14: Kennedy name, and for him to come out and say
Speaker 14: he's leaving the Democrat Party here's why it is a
Speaker 14: seering indictment on the Democrat Party. And that as well,
Speaker 14: I think could play a little bit into making the
Speaker 14: prospect of voting for Trump a little bit more palatable
Speaker 14: for people who might still be a little bit on
Speaker 14: the fence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're seeing Kamala Harris described as appealing to the
Speaker 2: TikTok generation. You know, we're not seeing a lot of
Speaker 2: policy substance from her, no tough interviews, but a lot
Speaker 2: of glitz and spin that appeals to the TikTok crowd.
Speaker 2: You know, she's even been described I don't even know
Speaker 2: what it means as brat. Kamala is brat. What is
Speaker 2: this whole TikTok TikTok phenomenon around Kamala Harris.
Speaker 14: It is interesting. I think something like eight million voters
Speaker 14: have aged into the electorate right now in this election,
Speaker 14: and there's forty one million gen zers, people between ages
Speaker 14: of eighteen and twenty seven right now in the US,
Speaker 14: so she's definitely trying to court them. Historically, that crowd,
Speaker 14: the young crowd, doesn't really have high propensity for voting
Speaker 14: in the US where we don't have mandatory voting, so
Speaker 14: who knows how important that will ultimately be, But they
Speaker 14: are heavy consumers of TikTok, hence why she's using that
Speaker 14: medium as a way to reach them. You see Trump
Speaker 14: on the other side, reaching them with all of these
Speaker 14: podcasts He's doing with YouTubers and streamers that are also
Speaker 14: popular with that gen Z crowd. So definitely the battle
Speaker 14: is on for that group, even though we don't know
Speaker 14: exactly how much difference it's going to make in terms
Speaker 14: of turnout.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, just something a bit different. Elon Musks space
Speaker 2: X is said to be coming to the rescue of
Speaker 2: two American astronauts stranded in space. Elon Musk SpaceX is
Speaker 2: going to collect them in February next year, Sunita Williams
Speaker 2: and Barry Wilmore. They were only meant to be away
Speaker 2: around a week, but instead by the time that they're
Speaker 2: eventually collected in February, it would have been eight months.
Speaker 2: This is We've only got thirty seconds here, but this
Speaker 2: is kind of a massive admission that Elon Musk's technology
Speaker 2: is something the US needs to rely on.
Speaker 14: Yeah, it's a remarkable story. It's a humiliation for Boeings
Speaker 14: Aeronautics and the the technical glitches they ran into. And
Speaker 14: I think you're right, it does sort of cast Elon
Speaker 14: Musk in a different light than I think the way
Speaker 14: a lot of establishment figures are trying to cast him
Speaker 14: is more of a villain, and he literally is going
Speaker 14: to be coming to the rescue of these par astronauts.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, shocking that they're going to be stranded for
Speaker 2: so long. All right, Koshagada, great to see you again,
Speaker 2: and that's it for me. I'll see you tomorrow at
Speaker 2: eight o'clock. And up now, here's Paul Murray.