WEBVTT - Sharri | 26 August 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:04.760 Why on Sky News Bits and Sharry. 0:00:06.760 --> 0:00:10.680 Good Evening. Welcome to the show tonight. Anthony Albanesi slammed 0:00:10.720 --> 0:00:14.280 for destroying the nation's economy all to appease the unions. 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:17.360 More on that in a moment. Also on the show, 0:00:17.440 --> 0:00:20.720 a Green senator who refuses to say that Hermas is 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:26.200 a terrorist organization gets a seat on a committee examining antisemitism. 0:00:26.960 --> 0:00:30.760 Just how does this happen? I'll discuss this with Shadow 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:35.400 Education Minister Sarah Henderson later. Plus, the visas for Gaza 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:39.240 issue continues to tie the Albanesi government in knots. More 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:42.040 on that coming up, and who would make a better 0:00:42.080 --> 0:00:46.920 Prime Minister, Bill Shorten or Albanizi. I'll discuss this with 0:00:47.000 --> 0:00:50.839 my political panel later in the show. But first, the 0:00:50.880 --> 0:00:55.680 Prime Minister today celebrated new right to Disconnect laws which 0:00:55.760 --> 0:01:00.480 ban bosses from contacting staff after hours. The alb and 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:03.840 Easy claimed these laws would give people more time with 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:07.920 their family, when in fact they mark a dark return 0:01:08.160 --> 0:01:12.240 to a bygone era of nine to five office hours. 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:16.280 Here was the Prime Minister claiming that answering the occasional 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:20.000 after hours email was a mental health issue. 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:27.240 This applies from today for large employers small businesses don't 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:32.280 kick in for another year. But it is a common 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:37.959 sense definition basically for some jobs. Obviously, people like mine, 0:01:38.360 --> 0:01:42.119 I'm on called twenty four hours a day. But for 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:47.720 many Australians I think they're getting frustrated that they're expected 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:51.320 to be on their phones, their emails, all of that 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:55.160 for twenty four hours a day. It's a mental health 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:59.320 issue frankly as well. For people to be able to 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:02.840 disconnect from their work and connect with their family and 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:05.520 their life is what this is about. 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:09.360 Well, the Coalition and the Business Council say that these 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:14.160 new laws are unnecessary and a major productivity drain at 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:18.120 a time when slow productivity growth is a factor in 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:22.640 inflation remaining high and in terms of Australia staying competitive, 0:02:23.120 --> 0:02:26.120 will we need to go toe to toe with companies globally? 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:30.320 Do you see governments in China, the United States or 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:34.480 India forcing their workers to knock off at a certain time. 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:39.120 It's absurd government regulation in the business sector and this 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:44.560 comes at a time when AI is already challenging human productivity. 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:47.240 But why I want to speak about this tonight is 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:50.840 because these laws have a much bigger drawback from a 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:55.200 societal perspective. One major issue with these laws is that 0:02:55.240 --> 0:02:59.760 they will inevitably put a handbrake on mothers returning to 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:04.440 work after having children. Women have been fighting for flexible 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:08.800 working hours for decades. One of the only good things 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:11.200 to come out of the pandemic is that it showed 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:15.760 that working from home was entirely feasible. How to get 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:19.280 women to return to the work force after kids has 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:23.760 been a major political discussion point for years. The Albanezer 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:29.440 government claims the answer is free childcare, but not all 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:32.800 mothers want to leave their babies in childcare for an 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:36.760 entire day while they go to the office, and many 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:39.240 mothers want to be there to pick their young children 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:42.160 up from school in the afternoon and be there to 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:46.120 help with the homework. Flexible working arrangements mean that mothers 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:49.400 can return to work while still being able to juggle 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:52.640 the demands of children, and many mothers work while their 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:55.160 kids are at school and then they log back on 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:58.440 when they're asleep at night. It's working in a way 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:03.120 that suits parenting. This doesn't only apply to mums, of course, 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:06.440 and I'm sure you can see the same but I 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:09.760 see more and more dads doing school pickup and turning 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:12.760 up for book parade, book Week parade like there was 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:17.200 last week and other activities. But this is now all 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:22.559 under threat thanks to Anthony Albanese's new laws. Bosses could 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:26.000 get hold into court, they could be fined if they 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:31.080 contact workers after hours, so it very clearly threatens flexible 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:36.000 working arrangements. Albanize's new laws work to enforce a return 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:40.719 to strict nine to five hours because that's when bosses 0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:44.840 are allowed to speak to their staff email them without 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:49.680 any confusion. Now, this isn't great for parents and certainly 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:53.160 not great for young children who enjoy having their parents 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:57.840 their mums around in the afternoon. It's obvious that if 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:01.840 employers know that they can't contact after five or six 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:04.599 o'clock at night, then they're going to put pressure on 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:08.880 that individual to complete the work before that time. This 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:14.400 means that flexibility disappears. No matter what the Prime Minister 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:18.600 all the unions say about it, this will be the reality. 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:22.799 It just can't be any other way now. Of course, 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:27.000 every person in every job has a different circumstance and 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:31.040 not every job allows for flexible working arrangements, but there 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:35.360 are a lot that do, and I know personally speaking 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:39.320 without flexible working arrangements. There's no way I could have 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:43.960 returned to work with very young children, even with babies. Instead, 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:47.279 I was able to work flexibly. I could contribute to 0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:51.320 society while still feeling like my kids weren't missing out 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:55.760 and having their mum around. But the Prime Minister is 0:05:55.920 --> 0:06:01.040 far removed from what women or working parents want. He's 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:06.840 only thinking about men without responsibilities. Well, watching the footy 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:09.440 with a beer on a Friday night. 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:13.360 But what kind of impact do you think being on 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:16.640 call all the time and always wide into work and. 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:19.560 Be available does have on our mental health? 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:21.560 Do you worry about that with the stranes. 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:24.719 I certainly do it. It means you can't relax. You 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:29.719 can't be sitting there watching the footy on a Friday 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:35.359 night without thinking that you're potentially going to have to 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:39.039 check your emails and check what's going on. 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:43.880 The Prime Minister is living in the past. He still 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:47.320 thinks people work nine to five jobs. Listen to this. 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:52.440 The idea that you should be on call at ten 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:55.080 o'clock at night if you work a nine to five 0:06:55.200 --> 0:07:00.480 job isn't reasonable and that will lead to better relations 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:02.280 in the workplace. 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:06.320 And the Prime Minister claimed that he knew people who 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:09.359 were waking up all through the night to reply to 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:14.040 work emails. Well, those people are probably his own staff. 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:18.200 Of course, there'll be the odd unreasonable boss who emails 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:22.080 excessively after hours. But you don't set new laws that 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:25.960 will impact on the entire economy, the whole country and 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:29.640 a whole generation of parents for the odd bad apple. 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:33.960 The Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry is also very 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:38.320 worried about the impact that these laws will have on productivity. 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:43.080 From a business point of view, we think it's unnecessary. 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:46.840 We really think this is a solution that's in search 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:49.520 of a problem in the first place. A lot of 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:52.920 this could be dealt with through common sense. We don't 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:57.560 think we needed to have legislation here for this. We 0:07:57.640 --> 0:08:01.239 are concerned about the productivity impact and we are concerned 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:03.440 about the impact eventually on small business. 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:08.840 The reality is these are laws that appease the unions. 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:11.120 It's a point Peter Dutton made today. 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:15.640 You know, labor is slowly destroying the Australian economy costs 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:21.120 her up for everything. We're talking about electricity blackouts, insurance 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:24.960 premiums have gone through the roof, and most employers do 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:27.160 the right thing by their employees. But at the moment, 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:32.760 I think the government's creating an environment of animosity and 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:36.760 tension between employers and employees where it doesn't need to exist. 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:38.959 Why are they doing that because that's what the CFMAU 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:41.000 and the other big unions tell them to do. 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:46.760 And the unions did celebrate the ACTU president Michelle O'Neil 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:51.040 called today an historic day because of the new laws. 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:55.320 She's out Australian unions have reclaimed the right to knock 0:08:55.360 --> 0:09:00.920 off after work. Well, what rubbish knockoff after work? They're 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:04.200 literally appealing to people in their twenties. No one else 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:07.800 knocks off after work. Life is a constant juggle for 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:11.760 parents and grandparents. I mean who is knocking off after 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:15.440 work and going to the pub? Literally, no one that 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:19.959 I know. And for the young people who are knocking off, well, 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:22.679 this idea that they need mental health time away from 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:26.240 their phones is ludicrous and by the way, that is 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:27.960 what the PM suggested. Have a listen. 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:32.400 But what it will do is take that pressure off 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:37.520 people to be constantly checking their devices. It is it 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:41.360 is a scourge in so many ways. 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:44.280 Okay, so young people don't need to feel the pressure 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:49.199 anymore to constantly check their device. Most people, and especially 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:53.040 young people, are inseparable from their phones. You can't make 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:56.640 them put them down. They're constantly attached to their devices. 0:09:57.440 --> 0:10:01.920 So who are these laws actually help. They're hindering small 0:10:01.960 --> 0:10:04.880 business that will have to spend money on red tape 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:08.160 and compliance. They're going to force parents back into the 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:11.680 dark ages. Mothers might have to stop working. It seems 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:15.280 to be a soft to the unions. The Prime Minister's 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:18.080 rules are a return to a bygone era. There are 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:21.640 a handbrake on the flexible working arrangements that all major 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:25.840 companies globally are moving towards. And if you're still on 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:27.880 show if these laws are a good idea or not, 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:31.120 you only have to look at the most forward leaning 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:35.120 tech companies globally that are renowned as the best places 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:39.079 to work. They're more often they're not unicorn tech companies 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:43.439 that know how to attract and retain talent, and they 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:48.040 know how to innovate while maintaining productivity. All of them 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:52.280 are encouraging flexible working hours and none of them are 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:56.880 cutting off emails post five pm. It's the reverse. It's 0:10:56.960 --> 0:11:02.280 allowing flexibility, allowing employees to choose their own hours while 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:10.000 still getting the job done. Now. Over the weekend came 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:14.040 the news that the Taliban had banned women's voices and 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:17.080 faces in public banned. 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:20.080 According to the new rules, which cover all aspects of 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:23.480 Afghan society, women are not allowed to sing, recite, or 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:27.240 read aloud in public. They are required to cover their faces. 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:33.000 This is the Taliban regime that Joe Biden wrongly believed 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:37.280 had miraculously transformed into a modern movement when he pulled 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:41.920 American forces out. Yet the Taliban is more repressive and 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:48.199 brutal than ever, banning women's voices and faces. But here's 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:52.040 what I want to know. Where were the protests? Where 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:55.160 were the marchers on the streets of Sydney, London, New York? 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:59.960 Where were the rallies at college campuses around the world. 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:05.400 This exposes that it's truly not the plight of Muslim 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:09.960 women or children that the Left cares about. The pro 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:14.200 Palestinian movement should really be called an anti Israel or 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:19.600 anti Zionist movement, even an anti Jew movement, because how 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:24.160 else to explain the stunning hypocrisy when not one person 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:29.240 stood up to march for the women in Afghanistan? Meanwhile, 0:12:29.240 --> 0:12:33.319 the Albanezi government is still struggling to explain to Australian 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:37.400 voters why it's allowing Hi Must supporters into the country. 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:42.320 Defense Minister and Deputy PM Richard Miles was asked four 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:46.320 times why visitor visas were being used from a terrorist 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:52.960 hotspot instead of other visa classes that have rigorous security vetting. Well, 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:55.240 he just couldn't answer. 0:12:56.640 --> 0:13:00.199 Why did the government decide to give visit of visasat 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:05.040 year and not some sort of temporary humanitarian visa? 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:06.280 Well? 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:10.720 Can I just this has been a total distraction that 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:14.440 has been run by the opposition over the course of 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:17.280 the last two weeks. That's actually what's going on in 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:18.520 the Parliament right now. 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:21.080 Andrew why visitor visas? 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:23.840 What there is is an attempt to distract from the 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:27.119 fact that the opposition have nothing to say. 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:30.040 Mister Miles except they were never coming as visitors, were they? 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:32.080 They weren't coming to see the opera house. They were 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:35.360 fleeing a war zone. So why wasn't there a humanitarian 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:36.320 visa in place? 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:39.000 Again, I just come back to the fact that the 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:42.400 I mean, everyone has their own story in terms of 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:45.560 the circumstances on which they are coming to Australia. But 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:49.880 whatever that is, there is a security assessment which is done. 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:53.000 Are you satisfied then none of the people coming on 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:55.560 those visitor visas will be a risk going forward. 0:13:55.960 --> 0:13:59.320 I'm satisfied that all the security checks are in place 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:03.560 in respect of this cohort as have applied to any 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:06.160 cohort who have come to this country. Yes, I am. 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:10.800 That was a great interview by Andrew Clenell. And then 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:14.920 you had Bill Shorten who did concede that Palestinians coming 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:18.240 from Gaza could be Hermas supporters. 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:21.320 People coming from Gaza. I don't know. I've never had 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:24.640 the misfortune to live under a terrorist regime. 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:25.880 I don't know, David. 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:28.840 If you lived in Gaza and you had to do 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:31.680 a survey when you might depend on your food and 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:34.800 the government does a survey, and so do you support Hamas. 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:35.880 I don't know what you'd. 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:38.480 Say, David, but you'd probably way up the interesting your family. 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:42.920 The reality is the Hamas question is I think superseded 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:45.640 by the way that the governments of both sides have 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:50.320 handled this issue, which is is someone a security risk? 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:55.520 And those questions on the weekend came after Anthony Alberisi 0:14:55.720 --> 0:14:59.520 refused to say in Parliament on Thursday that support for 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:03.960 hama Us wouldn't preclude someone from being granted an Australian visa. 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:08.240 If you missed it, here was that telling Exchange. 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:11.680 Prime Minister does supporting Hamas past the character test for 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:12.640 an Australian visa. 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:16.120 Everyone who applies for an Australian visa is subject to 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:20.000 the same security standard except by the same agencies and 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:22.280 the same personnel as under the former government. 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:26.600 Well Columbist Chris Mitchell today wrote about the fact that 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:31.360 almin Easy couldn't definitively declare that support for a prescribed 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:34.880 terror group would deny someone access to a visa, and 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:37.840 he said this is the real fault line in this 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:42.840 left faction led government that is unlike all previous labor governments. 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:48.040 And Columbist Henry Ogas on the weekend brilliantly explained how 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:53.040 ludicrous the accusations of racism are against Peter Dutton and 0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:56.800 he wrote it is hardly racist to oppose the entry 0:15:56.840 --> 0:16:02.440 into this country of genocidal races. And Henrio a Gas 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:05.920 also points out the hypocrisy of the Albanesi government, which 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:09.880 has claimed that anti Semitism has no place in Australia. 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:12.880 That's what the Prime Minister has said. But yet, as 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:17.240 henrio Gas writes, how then could it possibly issue visas 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:22.280 to people who sympathize However, rhetorically, with a movement based 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:26.640 on a psychotic hostility to Jews, is this country social 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:30.320 cohesion worth so little that it deserves to be shredded 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:35.200 for the sake of a few votes. Well, it seems 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:38.160 that under the Albanese government that is indeed the case. 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:41.640 And it's not just social cohesion that's being shredded, but 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:47.960 national security and community safety are at peril. Two reckless 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:52.560 and grave risks to take simply to help labor hold 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:59.680 onto marginal seats. Well, to discuss all of this and more, 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:03.320 bring in our Minday panel sky News contributor Joe Hildebrand 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:07.919 and Sky News host Steve Price. Welcome both. Joe, I 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:09.960 want to start with you. Let's start with the right 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:13.040 to disconnect laws. What do you think about the impact 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:16.360 that this will inevitably have on working parents. 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:18.760 Yeah, I'm actually inclined to and I agree with you. 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:20.960 I'm all over the place half the time. I've picked 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:23.800 up the kids and dropped them off today and it 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:25.480 was sort of working in the middle and sort of 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:27.040 working now, even though I would do it for free 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:28.439 cause I love it so much, and I would not 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:32.240 do it for free. Sky News please kay. But but 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:34.800 I think we're except I think we think about these 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:36.840 things from the point of view of a journalist, from 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:38.600 point of view of someone who is doing a job 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:41.320 they really love. I think for other employees for who 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:43.560 work is a bit of a drudge, is a bit 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:45.320 of a drag, I think they would probably be more 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:48.520 grateful that. I don't know how much it actually happens. 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:51.280 I suspect the Chamber of Commerce guy with actually create 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:54.120 when he said, this seems like a solution in search 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:56.520 of a problem, And I think if you have, you know, 0:17:56.960 --> 0:18:00.440 I think the most important thing in the world probably 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:04.199 is in many ways is respect in the workplace and 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:07.240 having a good relationship with your colleagues and your employer, 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:09.560 because working is sort of the one thing that you 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:11.439 might not actually want to do in life, and so 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:12.440 you have to make it as kind of it. 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:15.360 It's not just respect. I think Steve that bosses will 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:19.359 now be grouped with confusion about can they email someone 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:22.840 after hours or not. I mean, it's just ridiculous to 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:25.520 put these laws in place. And then there's the flexible 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:28.800 working arrangements point that I've made at the start of 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:30.680 the show, that this is going to have an impact 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:31.960 on working mothers. 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:36.320 It doesn't reflect modern Australia, does it. I mean, that's 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:38.800 the nonsense of it. And I heard a great talkback 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:41.240 caller forgive me. I was listening to ABC Radio today. 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:42.600 I don't know why I was doing that what I 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:46.200 was And one of the callers rang up and said, Okay, 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:49.960 I run a small business. If I can't contact my 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:54.439 employees after hours, can I then ask them not to 0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:58.000 be on their phones during working hours in the office, 0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:01.680 looking at Instagram, face Book and doing all of their 0:19:01.720 --> 0:19:04.240 private business. I mean, if I can't talk to them 0:19:04.320 --> 0:19:07.040 after ours, why are they sitting there doing their own 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:09.680 private stuff during the week. I thought you summed it 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:13.080 up beautifully, Shari. I would pull you up on one point. 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:17.000 Joe and I are definitely two people who would knock 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:18.479 off work and go to them. 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:22.520 That's exactly right, That's exactly right. We'd probably checking our 0:19:22.520 --> 0:19:23.440 emails over. 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:25.480 The school, so you would like to go to the part. 0:19:25.520 --> 0:19:27.600 But you are picking your children up from school. You 0:19:27.640 --> 0:19:28.480 are a modern. 0:19:28.320 --> 0:19:30.280 Day yeah, all the time. That's my job. Will be 0:19:30.280 --> 0:19:33.000 completely impossible. You know. It would be a brave man 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:35.720 who told my editor that he couldn't contact me after hours, 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:38.600 and I wouldn't want him to. He said, you know, 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:40.440 we've got to get Joe on this thing. And someone 0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:42.440 said I've got his number, I can call him. He goes, no, no, no, 0:19:42.600 --> 0:19:45.080 I'll call him and I know he'll always answer the phone. 0:19:46.000 --> 0:19:48.399 All right, Well, let's look at that other topic. What 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:51.280 did you think of a start with you, Steve Richard 0:19:51.359 --> 0:19:56.399 Miles's inability to answer for straightforward questions to Andrew Clenell. 0:19:57.400 --> 0:20:00.680 Great great interview by Andrew. And Andrew ask the question 0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:04.600 five different ways, but they were all completely legitimate, and 0:20:04.720 --> 0:20:08.239 Richard Miles just stat there, putting up the facade that 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:12.440 oh no, well, and the best question Andrew asked was, well, 0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:14.920 they were never coming here to visit the opera house. 0:20:15.280 --> 0:20:17.280 They were coming here because they were escaping a war 0:20:17.400 --> 0:20:19.879 zone and they had no intention of going home again. 0:20:20.119 --> 0:20:22.880 I mean, Labor has just dug itself into this massive 0:20:22.960 --> 0:20:26.040 hole over this issue, and they think that the wider 0:20:26.080 --> 0:20:28.400 public is just going to sit back and go, oh, well, 0:20:28.440 --> 0:20:30.640 there's nothing to see here, you know, they've all been 0:20:30.720 --> 0:20:33.760 checked out beautifully and we can't be worried about any 0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:36.320 of them. No one believes that, and the government really 0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:38.720 needs to start to be honest with itself and with 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:39.719 the Australian public. 0:20:40.480 --> 0:20:43.040 And it is a border security issue, Joe, This is 0:20:43.119 --> 0:20:46.679 what it actually is resonating with voters. Even though Albinizik 0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:49.280 and the other ministers keep saying, oh, why is the 0:20:49.320 --> 0:20:52.200 opposition wasting its time on this? Well, it plays into 0:20:52.240 --> 0:20:56.399 that perception that the Prime minister's soft on national security. 0:20:56.040 --> 0:20:57.960 Oh very much so. And I think you know that 0:20:58.080 --> 0:21:01.040 law and order. The immigrant detainees were released by the 0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:03.000 High Court recently and the government didn't seem to have 0:21:03.000 --> 0:21:05.040 anything ready to stop them. I think all of that 0:21:05.200 --> 0:21:08.000 is part of Peter Dutton sort of suite of his 0:21:08.200 --> 0:21:10.359 armory if you like that. He's chucking at the government, 0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:13.320 and that's what opposition leaders are paid to do. I 0:21:13.359 --> 0:21:16.439 don't understand why the government just doesn't go, Look, we 0:21:16.480 --> 0:21:18.840 gave them visit of visas because there was no third 0:21:18.880 --> 0:21:22.240 country to process them. Because Egypt, Jordan, all these Arab 0:21:22.280 --> 0:21:25.439 countries surrounding Israel are not pulling their weight. Australia has 0:21:25.480 --> 0:21:28.520 always been a country of high migration. We have always 0:21:28.560 --> 0:21:31.760 been a country with a high humanitarian intake, even compared 0:21:31.800 --> 0:21:35.720 with much larger countries like the US and US. But 0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:37.320 that's right. But the reason why they have to use 0:21:37.400 --> 0:21:40.240 visit of visas clearly is because the length of time 0:21:40.280 --> 0:21:43.399 it would take to process a humanitarian visa would make 0:21:43.440 --> 0:21:48.120 it untenable for anyone actually applying from Gaza because they're 0:21:48.119 --> 0:21:50.240 in the middle of a hot war zone, So unlike 0:21:50.280 --> 0:21:53.840 being in a refugee camp outside the borders of Syria 0:21:54.000 --> 0:21:56.400 or in Lebanon or something like that, where you can 0:21:56.600 --> 0:21:59.560 be in relative safety and wait the months and months 0:21:59.600 --> 0:22:02.119 it takes to get as juanitaryan visa proceeds. 0:22:02.440 --> 0:22:06.919 Defend explaining this, but this is this is this is 0:22:06.960 --> 0:22:07.600 what you would say. 0:22:07.640 --> 0:22:11.359 This is what you would say, rich and ironic. No, 0:22:11.440 --> 0:22:13.800 I'm explaining exactly why they've done it. They obviously have. 0:22:13.880 --> 0:22:14.800 To say they've done it. 0:22:14.840 --> 0:22:18.200 Seed is more important, yes, because you're getting someone You're 0:22:18.200 --> 0:22:21.960 not getting someone out when morey g camp getting more 0:22:21.960 --> 0:22:22.880 important than. 0:22:22.840 --> 0:22:24.320 Security, are you well. 0:22:24.200 --> 0:22:26.440 Most of the refugees that we would take from war 0:22:26.520 --> 0:22:28.960 zones would have gone to a third country or a 0:22:29.240 --> 0:22:32.520 UN refugee camp. First, which means that you could take. 0:22:32.320 --> 0:22:34.960 The time an easy government should have done, no Steve. 0:22:35.240 --> 0:22:35.960 If they were. 0:22:35.800 --> 0:22:38.600 Desperate that there are the borders are shut, they can't get. 0:22:38.520 --> 0:22:41.119 They can set a camp up somewhere in Egypt or 0:22:41.119 --> 0:22:44.320 somewhere else. If they desperately take these people in, do 0:22:44.480 --> 0:22:48.040 the security checks, do every security check possible to make 0:22:48.080 --> 0:22:51.800 sure Hamas supporters are not coming to they might pose 0:22:51.840 --> 0:22:52.960 a security The. 0:22:52.920 --> 0:22:56.080 Whole point is that those Arab nations around Israel are 0:22:56.119 --> 0:22:58.120 not doing that, and that should be emphasized. They are 0:22:58.160 --> 0:23:00.520 not pulling their weight, they're not playing their part. They're 0:23:00.560 --> 0:23:03.000 doing it because they want Palestinians to be trapped in 0:23:03.000 --> 0:23:04.119 Gaza as human shields. 0:23:04.160 --> 0:23:05.960 So what are you going to say, Joe, when we 0:23:06.000 --> 0:23:08.479 import someone What are you going to say, Joe, when 0:23:08.520 --> 0:23:13.560 we import someone from Palestine who is Ahama sympathizer and 0:23:13.600 --> 0:23:16.000 God forbid does something that they shouldn't do, You're going 0:23:16.040 --> 0:23:18.320 to say, oh, well, we had to hurry them through 0:23:18.400 --> 0:23:19.800 because there was no other way to do it. 0:23:19.920 --> 0:23:24.040 I'm just saying, clearly, that's making clearly that is the rationale. 0:23:24.080 --> 0:23:26.800 But this is what dare not speak its name. Clearly, 0:23:26.840 --> 0:23:29.800 that is the rationale that the government has applied, and 0:23:29.840 --> 0:23:32.480