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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Pit Talk, brought to you by Shannon's.

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Speaker 1: On today's episode, Ourdie Team principal Jonathan Wheatley leaves his

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Speaker 1: job less than a year after joining and does this

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Speaker 1: switch to Aston Martin. Now on the cards and we

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Speaker 1: look ahead to this weekend Japanese Grand Prix. My name's

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Speaker 1: Michael Lamonato. It's great to have your company and the

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Speaker 1: company of my co hosts. This week he'll be hydrated

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Speaker 1: exclusively by canned cold coffee. It's Matt Clayton.

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Speaker 2: How is that different to any other week, Michael, This

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Speaker 2: is just like the life of someone covering international motorsport

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Speaker 2: in Australia for thirty million years. But yeah, cold coffee,

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Speaker 2: warm coffee, any coffee is good. But I must admit

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Speaker 2: this is one of those ones that I think I've

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Speaker 2: done this Scrand Prix. Other than Australia. This is a

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Speaker 2: Grand Prix that I've done the most. I think it

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Speaker 2: was about eighteen or twenty Japanese Grand Prix. And when

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Speaker 2: I'm not going like this year, it's yeah, break out

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Speaker 2: the sand trombone for me because I would love to

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Speaker 2: be there, of course, but one of the world's great

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Speaker 2: race tracks and also, I mean, you know what this

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Speaker 2: is like, It's just one of the great races to attend.

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Speaker 2: I always say to anyone, if you ever want to

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Speaker 2: go to an inch National Grand Prix, go to this

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Speaker 2: one because there's nowhere quite like it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's absolutely right. Plus a race in the Australian

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Speaker 1: time zone if you are going, very convenient flight normally

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Speaker 1: get there in one stop only ten hours, which for

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Speaker 1: Australia is pretty good as well. So all round one

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Speaker 1: of the season highlights. I think the Japanese Grand Prix

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Speaker 1: and it's new time slot returned in its new time

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Speaker 1: slot at the start of the year as well, which

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Speaker 1: means less typhoon risk. So we'll definitely get a race

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Speaker 1: on Sunday, he would have thought, which is very exciting

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Speaker 1: as well, before we get to the Japanese Grand Prix,

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Speaker 1: though we'll talk about that a little bit later on.

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Speaker 1: The news of the week is undeniably at What's Audi

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Speaker 1: and Aston Martin, isn't it, But let's start without the

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Speaker 1: only confirmed news of the week because they've lost their

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Speaker 1: team principal, Jonathan Wheatley, who joined only last April and

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Speaker 1: it's still March this year, so less than a year ago,

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Speaker 1: eleven months ago, he's left with immediate effects. And that

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Speaker 1: happened only we're at about twenty four hours. I think

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Speaker 1: it was after rumors really began to surface in the

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Speaker 1: media that he'd been entertaining an offer from Aston Martin.

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Speaker 1: Now that seems to be pretty clear that you quit

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Speaker 1: one team and then perhaps you go to another. But

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Speaker 1: just to finish setting the scene, mat, I want to

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Speaker 1: read you some of the statement that Aston Martin subsequently issued.

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Speaker 1: I did enjoy that, madd You would obviously be very familiar, yes,

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Speaker 1: with what I think we could probably call like actually,

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Speaker 1: I think you used this phrase in a mystery earlier

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Speaker 1: the media release ping pong table tennis preferred form where

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Speaker 1: one team will make an announcement and then another team

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Speaker 1: will make announcement and the conclusion will happen after that.

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Speaker 1: But the Aston Martin announcement had no conclusion in it,

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Speaker 1: and I read with the current speculation surrounding Adrian Newey's

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Speaker 1: role in our team, I want to take the opportunity

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Speaker 1: to set the record straight. This is Laurence Stroll, the

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Speaker 1: team owner. There's a little bit of fluff here, but

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Speaker 1: I get to the point, which is whether or not

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Speaker 1: Adrian Newe will be remaining as team principle. We do

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Speaker 1: things differently here, and while we don't currently adopt the

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Speaker 1: traditional team principal role that you see elsewhere, it is

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Speaker 1: by design. And then no news on Adrian Ui is

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Speaker 1: staying in the role or not. No news on Jonathan Wheatley,

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Speaker 1: but he did quite conveniently conclude with we're regularly approached

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Speaker 1: by senior executives from other teams who wish to join.

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Speaker 1: Aston Martin no comment. So I feel like we can

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Speaker 1: see where this one's going, Matt.

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Speaker 2: We do things differently here that much it might be

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Speaker 2: an accurate summation of where that team is at right

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Speaker 2: now and just where that team is generally. But I

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Speaker 2: did like your emphasis in reading that press release because no,

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Speaker 2: that was not in full caps and bold. That was

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Speaker 2: just you doing your best impersonation of Lawrence Stroth thumping

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Speaker 2: the table Gennaro Gatuso style, because that's the way it

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Speaker 2: would actually take place. Let's be perfectly honest. But where

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Speaker 2: do we start to unpack this. There's an interesting sliding

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Speaker 2: doors with Jonathan Wheatley that we should probably touch on,

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Speaker 2: given that it looked very much like he was going

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Speaker 2: a while. That's sort of sem to be the logical

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Speaker 2: kind Right now it's baderline embarrassing with what's going on

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Speaker 2: there and yet more instability and whatso Adrian Newey's tenure

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Speaker 2: side for one Grand Prix, which was Australia, because he

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Speaker 2: wasn't actually even in China, was he?

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Speaker 1: No, he wasn't, despite despite his justification for taking the

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Speaker 1: this was the summary of the justification, albeit the first

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Speaker 2: Well couldn't even tick that box.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly couldnt even tick that box. But how's the

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Speaker 1: could be poised to step down. That is the report

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Speaker 1: worth emphasizing here. Some people, i think I've got the

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Speaker 1: wrong idea here, not step down from the team in

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Speaker 1: all capacity correct, just return to the capacity he was

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Speaker 1: originally signed for, which was to be managing technical partner,

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Speaker 1: of the reason he's ended up in this position in

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Speaker 1: the first place. But it has been decided, or it

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Speaker 1: seems like that it's been decided that's the way it's

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Speaker 1: going to go. I want to get to the Aston

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Speaker 1: stick with what we know for certain, which is that

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Speaker 1: know if they're going to find one before the Japanese

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Speaker 1: Grand Prix. We know that Mati Bonnotto, the former Ferrari

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Speaker 1: I should say, but this feels like it feels like

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Speaker 1: such a pity for Audy doesn't it. Not just because

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Speaker 1: obviously they've lost a key member of staff, but I

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Speaker 1: pleasantly surprising considering the stories we've heard out of AUDI

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Speaker 2: The reason it looked competent as I thought that their

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Speaker 2: entire time. I think something operationally about Sober slash AUDI

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Speaker 2: that has got Jonathan Wheatley's fingerprints all over it, Like

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Speaker 2: you've seen that. You remember when they couldn't do a

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Speaker 2: He was obviously at repull racing for basically the entire duration.

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Speaker 2: And they were always so sharp operationally, weren't they? That

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Speaker 2: I think, I think in terms of not wanting to

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Speaker 2: Wheatley want to leave? I mean, you know you've heard

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Speaker 2: It is a different place to work, kind of complicated,

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Speaker 2: and so he just becomes You've probably written this, how

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's the Martin he'll be, presumably is where

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Speaker 1: But there were a lot of short runs in the

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Speaker 1: just on audio. I think what's interesting here as well

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Speaker 1: Any move that looked solid was a positive move. We're

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Speaker 1: It is a works team now, even if it's still

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's worth remembering that Jonathan Wheatley was originally meant

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Speaker 1: They do things to quote him in their own way.

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Speaker 1: basket for success, right, like we've got the technical director.

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Speaker 1: You know what will make him a shareholder as well,

433
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Speaker 1: you know, what will make him the team principal as well?

434
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Speaker 1: Is this, like, how does Wheatley fit into that idea?

435
00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,200
Speaker 1: Is he really just there to support Adrian Newey? Is

436
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Speaker 1: he going to be the guy that they put their

437
00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,440
Speaker 1: eggs in the basket as well? What does this team

438
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Speaker 1: actually think is going to make it success? Because it

439
00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,919
Speaker 1: has more than enough winning pieces, if you like, there's

440
00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:09,240
Speaker 1: sort of no other ways to understand why. I know,

441
00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,320
Speaker 1: there's the engine problems and we shouldn't judge the team

442
00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:14,840
Speaker 1: immediately based on the performance, but there's no reason obvious

443
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Speaker 1: reason why they should be in this position based on

444
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Speaker 1: the personnel they have, Or.

445
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Speaker 2: Perhaps there is, because you just mentioned before that the

446
00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:24,760
Speaker 2: eggs are in one basket. Who's holding the basket? Maybe

447
00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:28,040
Speaker 2: that's the question that we need to answer here, because

448
00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:31,280
Speaker 2: you've just gone through a laundry list of you know,

449
00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,879
Speaker 2: like guess who Formula one two principle types. You know,

450
00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:35,440
Speaker 2: for anyone that played that game back in the day

451
00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:37,880
Speaker 2: is just name after name after name, all of whom

452
00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,920
Speaker 2: are completely competent and have had success elsewhere. And there's

453
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Speaker 2: one constant here amid the churn, And you do wonder

454
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Speaker 2: what point is there going to be a realization that

455
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Speaker 2: if you keep doing the same thing over and over

456
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Speaker 2: and over again, the only guarantee is that nothing's going

457
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Speaker 2: to change and you're going to get the same outcome. Right,

458
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Speaker 2: So I do wonder, at what point how many team

459
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Speaker 2: principles in do we realize on maybe there needs to

460
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Speaker 2: be a change in the way that we're operating it.

461
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Speaker 2: What's the magic number is at eight? Is a twelve?

462
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Speaker 2: I don't know, But we're going through a whole list

463
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Speaker 2: of people here, and we keep coming back to the

464
00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:14,000
Speaker 2: same thing. Who's the person holding the basket? And to

465
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Speaker 2: my mind, it's a tough one because it's clearly it's

466
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Speaker 2: Laurence Stroll's money, it's Laurence Stroll's team, it's Laurence Stroll's

467
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Speaker 2: son that's in the second seat in that team, which

468
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Speaker 2: is its own podcast, I would think. But you do

469
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Speaker 2: wonder if unless something in that part of things changes,

470
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Speaker 2: are we just destined to make the same mistakes over

471
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Speaker 2: and over again and then in August we'll be doing

472
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Speaker 2: It's another emergency Aston Martin Team Principal podcast when they

473
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Speaker 2: invite someone else into the position that no one seems

474
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Speaker 2: to be able to stay into. But yeah, I do

475
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Speaker 2: wonder if sometimes I wonder if we look at these

476
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Speaker 2: things from the wrong perspective. But it's easy for me

477
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Speaker 2: to say because I don't own the team.

478
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Speaker 1: Spoken to no one, none of us are investing any

479
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Speaker 1: big money in Aston Martin. So it is what it

480
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Speaker 1: is from that perspective. Just before we move on, I

481
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Speaker 1: guess the interesting final part for Aston Martin here is,

482
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Speaker 1: I mean, this year already looked like a write off

483
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Speaker 1: immediately really considering me that car is notwithstanding Adrian Nui

484
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Speaker 1: insisting in a somewhat awkward press conference that it was

485
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Speaker 1: a top five chassis and by the end of the

486
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Speaker 1: year would be a race winning chassis if only the

487
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Speaker 1: engine is competitive. So think of that what you will,

488
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Speaker 1: and whether or not that's something a team principle was

489
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Speaker 1: best off saying at the start of the year. But

490
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Speaker 1: how much more does this just set back the Aston

491
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Speaker 1: Martin project, the idea that if it is Jonathan Wheatley's

492
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Speaker 1: going to be running the team, we've got to assume

493
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Speaker 1: he's probably not going to get there before the mid

494
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Speaker 1: season break because of the noncompete clause, unless there's negotiation.

495
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Speaker 1: I guess Lawrence stroll could pay out you a lot

496
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Speaker 1: of money and maybe that'll make them happy. Who is

497
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Speaker 1: to say, but that's a long time to be missing

498
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Speaker 1: a key component. Okay, team principle doesn't have to be

499
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Speaker 1: the be all and end all anymore, the way that

500
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Speaker 1: Formula One teams are big in the way that they

501
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Speaker 1: also already have so many other former team principles there

502
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Speaker 1: that could probably pick up the slack between them. But

503
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Speaker 1: it does. Just I think this entire episode, when it

504
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Speaker 1: does eventually conclude with the presumed announcement that Jonathan Watney

505
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Speaker 1: is going to go there at some point, just reframe

506
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Speaker 1: that Aston Martin isn't It's not at the beginning of

507
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:07,879
Speaker 1: the Golden era that I thought it would be. But

508
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 1: he's really back at the building stage. It feels like

509
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,160
Speaker 1: a building stage with an uncertain timeline to success.

510
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's space camp, isn't it. I Mean you were

511
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Speaker 2: saying before about how far you know, how far back

512
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Speaker 2: do you need to go? Is there any further back

513
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Speaker 2: than where they are now? Quite frankly, it sounds a

514
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 2: little harsh, Bud. I mean, there's only so far you

515
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 2: can plump it here, right, this is where they are.

516
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Speaker 2: We know where they are at the start of this

517
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Speaker 2: season so much. I think the disappointing part. I think

518
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Speaker 2: if you're them and anyone that was watching this with

519
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 2: an eye like you and I, is that last year,

520
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Speaker 2: the whole thing was wait till next year, Wait till

521
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Speaker 2: next year, wait till next year. That was just the mantra.

522
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying that they just you know, completely through

523
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Speaker 2: last year in the bin, but it was always this,

524
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Speaker 2: you know, wait until next year, once we've got Honda,

525
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Speaker 2: once Adrian gets to do his first car, so on

526
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Speaker 2: and so forth. There was so much hope sold on

527
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Speaker 2: this year for twenty twenty six, and it was hoped

528
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Speaker 2: that it was believable because of the names that were

529
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Speaker 2: in the positions that they were. I think that was

530
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Speaker 2: where it seemed more realistic and more believable. It was like, Okay,

531
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Speaker 2: you can see how this could become pretty potent pretty quickly.

532
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 2: And instead it's gone the absolute opposite direction. And here

533
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 2: we are after two races and the things just completely spiraled.

534
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Speaker 2: And then you look at the teams that are around

535
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Speaker 2: the same area of the Constructors Championship that they have

536
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Speaker 2: been have all sort of kicked onto various screens. I mean,

537
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 2: you look at someone like Alpine, for example, you wouldn't

538
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Speaker 2: have had you wouldn't have been very confident thinking that

539
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 2: Alpine would have got off to a better start to

540
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty six than Aston Martin, where we were predicting

541
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Speaker 2: the season back in January, and yeah, here we are.

542
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 2: And then you look at the spend and the investment

543
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,920
Speaker 2: and the publicity, I mean, racing balls. You can keep

544
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Speaker 2: going here, Halsh, We're going to say we can keep

545
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Speaker 2: going here. That's no slight on any of those teams

546
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Speaker 2: who are doing the absolute best with what they have,

547
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Speaker 2: but comparatively for the expectations that we had of Aston

548
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 2: Martin versus those three teams that I just mentioned, it's

549
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 2: not even a conversation, is it.

550
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Speaker 1: No. I mean Cadillac you could have put in there

551
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, yeah, sorry, Battle it's going to end

552
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 1: up by the end of the year. But maybe that's

553
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,640
Speaker 1: a bit more watch this space. Let's move on now. Though.

554
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Speaker 1: To Move of the Week, brought to you by Shannon's

555
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Speaker 1: Moto GP was an action at the weekend new circus

556
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Speaker 1: in Brazil or a revitalized circuit, perhaps fully revitalized, perhaps not, Matt,

557
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Speaker 1: but I suspect that's where you'll be taking us for Move.

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Speaker 2: Of the Way. Yes, Move of the week anyone that

559
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Speaker 2: owns a concrete or Ashvelt company and goyanea, because you're

560
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Speaker 2: going to get the phone call. We've got a sinkhole

561
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 2: that needs filling, We've got a track that needs resurfacing.

562
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Speaker 2: Is anybody available? I could say so much about what

563
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 2: an absolutely half asked Moto GP race that was. It

564
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Speaker 2: was great that we've got a race away, fantastic, very entertaining.

565
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Speaker 2: All of the side show and everything else not so much.

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Speaker 2: Just read Fox sports dot com dot au for more.

567
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to tell you the full chapter and

568
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Speaker 2: verse here my move of the week. Let's stick to

569
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Speaker 2: something good that happened on track. I now, I don't

570
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Speaker 2: know whether you've watched the race. I urged you to

571
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Speaker 2: go and find the race. Long fight for the podium

572
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 2: between Mark Marquez and Fabio de jan Antoni, including a

573
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Speaker 2: pass that this is when you know that Marquees is

574
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Speaker 2: getting back to full fitness again. There was a pass

575
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Speaker 2: into surprise surprise, a left hander when he was fighting

576
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Speaker 2: with the jan Antonio for third in that race where

577
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 2: you may not have got a credit card between the

578
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Speaker 2: two bikes, fully leaned over into a left handed quarter.

579
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Speaker 2: It was absolutely it was brutal Marquez. It was right

580
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 2: tiptoeing the line of acceptability. And I love the fact

581
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Speaker 2: that the jen Antonio didn't back out, didn't pull up,

582
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Speaker 2: didn't gesticulate, He just hung in there and made Mark

583
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Speaker 2: earn it. And it's one of those great examples when

584
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Speaker 2: you see the super slow mo that sport does such

585
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 2: a great job with their camera shots, you just marvel

586
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Speaker 2: at the skill and bravery of these two guys. I

587
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 2: loved how clean it was, I loved how ferocious it was.

588
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 2: And as overtaking moves, Marques is not undred percent right

589
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 2: because he's still nursing the shoulder surgery from last year

590
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,679
Speaker 2: and he's not quite been himself yet. But on the

591
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Speaker 2: evidence of that particular pass and my nomination for move

592
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Speaker 2: of the week, it's not far away, that's for I'm

593
00:26:58,359 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 2: sure we're about to head to Kocho and we're not

594
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Speaker 2: happen with Mark Marquez now Dakota he wins, So yeah,

595
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 2: he could be back sooner than later. But that was

596
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Speaker 2: my move of the week. Now, limited amount of on

597
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 2: track for you to actually pour into this week, and

598
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to steal your move of the week

599
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 2: like I did last week. I'm hoping you have something

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Speaker 2: else for me.

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Speaker 1: Yes, which is very exciting I do. This is a

602
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: little bit, a little bit more inside baseball, I guess,

603
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: which was public and for all to see, and I

604
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 1: applaud it. But in the height of this speculation, when

605
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Speaker 1: one of the greatest designers of all time is poised

606
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Speaker 1: apparently to step down as team principal, and Jonathan Wheatley,

607
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 1: who was going to be next in line for the

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Speaker 1: Red Bull Racing top job, was at Audy and Audi,

609
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 1: the New Works teams lost their team principal. My move

610
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Speaker 1: of the week goes to Mercedes, who, in the height

611
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: of that speculation announced that Bradley Lord will become the

612
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Speaker 1: deputy team principal. But Toto will the worst possible timing

613
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Speaker 1: for any team to make such a high profile not

614
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Speaker 1: restructuring modified structure announcement. I remember the phrasing they exactly used.

615
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 1: No change to was readmit to be clear. So really

616
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Speaker 1: Bradley Lord is just doing what effectively he seems to

617
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Speaker 1: have always been doing, which was representing the team when

618
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 1: total can't be bothered or as somewhere else. Good, good, well,

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Speaker 1: well done to him. Congratulations to Bradley Lord to miss

620
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Speaker 1: the Lord. But I mean the timing, The timing could

621
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Speaker 1: not have been much worse.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one of those ones that pops into your

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Speaker 2: inbox and you go, oh yeah, you're still probably sitting

624
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 2: there unread. There's nothing to see here. We've got something,

625
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 2: We've got something else to go on with. So as

626
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Speaker 2: much as I had sympathy for the poor person writing

627
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 2: the Lawrets Stroll press release, I have a little bit

628
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 2: of sympathy for the person writing the Bradley Lord press release.

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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe it was Bradley from the falling up, because

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Speaker 2: it's it's one of those things that precisely one and

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Speaker 2: a half people read.

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Speaker 1: So there you go.

633
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Speaker 2: But I do like, I do like the left field

634
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Speaker 2: and the fact that this is an announcement of a

635
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Speaker 2: non announcement. Nothing will change carry.

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Speaker 1: On, yes exactly. Maybe that was the intention. Just berry

637
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Speaker 1: it somewhere and no one needs to know any difference.

638
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: Maybe they can get away without paying him, giving a

639
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: bump in pay as a result of this, because no

640
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: one recognized tell Bradley that the move to the deputy

641
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Speaker 1: team can bull ship better, not was the head of communication,

642
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: so you should no better. Let's move on now, map

643
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,959
Speaker 1: to the Japanese Grand Prix before we wrap this one up.

644
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: It is this weekend Formula One resumes after a fortnight

645
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: off and then hibernates for five weeks, which is a

646
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: better favorite. Will you can, is what I'm saying. It's

647
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: the last bit of Formula one racing will have in

648
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: a little while. This race will I suppose it should

649
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: be unsurprising, but considering the talk of last couple of

650
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: weeks will take place under exactly the same rules for

651
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: the first two races of the season, which some would

652
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: say is good for consistency. Max with staffand would say

653
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: it's awful because he doesn't like the rules very much.

654
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: But those crunch meetings to potentially tweak the rulebook have

655
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: been postponed until, of course, that massive break after the

656
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: Japanese Grand Prix, which I think probably makes sense given

657
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: how long that break is, But it does mean we

658
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: can kind of make some predictions about how we expect

659
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: this weekend to go in terms of the spectacle, because

660
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: we understand to some extent anyway, how these cars perform

661
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: in this block of three races, with no disrespect to

662
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: Albert Bark or to Shanghai. Tzuku's comfortably, in my opinion,

663
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: most iconic of those tracks, the most important of those tracks.

664
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: And I think as well, when we're talking about this

665
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 1: a little bit off air despite this being in the

666
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: same categories Shanghai in terms of how hard it is

667
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: on the battery, so we shouldn't be seeing it's an

668
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: extreme spectacle for energy regeneration. Remarking sentence, but I think

669
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: it has a significant quantity of corners that could be

670
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: quite negatively affected by the way these engines want to

671
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Speaker 1: be driven.

672
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean it's one of the truisms of modern

673
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 2: day Formula one in that you know, you're saying it's

674
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Speaker 2: not quite Suzuka is not in the same conversation necessarily

675
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Speaker 2: as Albert Park in Shanghai. I think it's not really

676
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 2: in a conversation with pretty much any other Formula one track.

677
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 2: I think it's the best track on the calendar in

678
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 2: terms of pure racetrack. The interesting slash potentially alarming thing

679
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 2: for me is that this is often a fantastic qualifying

680
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 2: and a not so great race for exactly the same reason.

681
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 2: It's an old track. It was built memory serves. I

682
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 2: think it was built in nineteen sixty two. Check Wikipedia

683
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 2: if you don't believe me. And it's very, very narrow.

684
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 2: It's one of the things that's TV. He doesn't really

685
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 2: do this circuit justice is super super narrow and it's

686
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 2: super one line, which in qualifying is fantastic when everyone's

687
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 2: going full Ban's iron, really going for it, and it

688
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 2: often produces processional races where not a great deal happens,

689
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 2: and we saw that last year when Max Vestappen was

690
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 2: able to clearly hold off too fast McLaren's to win

691
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 2: the Grand Prix there because he nail qualifying, got an

692
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 2: incredible start and they didn't make a mistake for fifty

693
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 2: three laps. So it's often one of the great qualifyings

694
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 2: and one of the well they look great, but I'm

695
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 2: not so sure there's a fantastic race going on here.

696
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 2: I'm a little concerned about the two words that I

697
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 2: don't like in bodern day Formula one put together super clipping.

698
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 2: Not a big fan of those two words. Qualifying, particularly

699
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,239
Speaker 2: through the first sector, could be a bit underwhelming. It's

700
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 2: one of the great sectors of any racetrack in Formula one,

701
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 2: what I'm curious about is that we've seen two pretty

702
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 2: interesting opening stints to the first Grand to Grand Prix

703
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 2: of the year at albert Park and in Shanghai with

704
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 2: the new term yo yo racing as people deploy and

705
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 2: then don't have any battery and so on and so forth.

706
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 2: You could see how those two tracks could lead themselves

707
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,959
Speaker 2: to that level of racing. Particularly like the first fifty

708
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 2: or first ten laps I think at albert Park were

709
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 2: pretty manic. We didn't really know we're watching at the time,

710
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 2: but they were entertaining. Nonetheless, now that we know a

711
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 2: little bit more about what we're watching, and because of

712
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 2: that Suzuka circuit layout where passing is difficult even with

713
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 2: the significant speed advantage, what are you anticipating we're going

714
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 2: to see in the race, Because I think we know

715
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 2: what qualifying is going to look like, but I've got

716
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 2: question marks about the race. It might be more entertaining,

717
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 2: but I'm not as confident about that as I was

718
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 2: maybe for Melbourne and for Shanghai.

719
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: I think that's a good call because the risk is

720
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: just so much higher running side by side here, regardless

721
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: of power differentials, that should see you easily passed even

722
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: compared to Melbourne, which is semi street track. Balls are

723
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: very close, no time maak runoff pretty much anywhere, there's

724
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: still much more risk here. The average speed actually, he's

725
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: the average speed higher compared to New Olper Park. It's

726
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: a good question. Average speed certainly feels higher. I can

727
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: see during the way that the track is laid out

728
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: and the danger of this circuit. So I think that's

729
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: an interesting element that we just might find those sort

730
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,959
Speaker 1: of push button passes, if you like, a little bit

731
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: less prevalent to the track like this where drivers have

732
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: to think about that risk reward ratio a little bit more.

733
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: I also wonder the key breaking zone, the slowest breaking

734
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: where there are two really undre There's the hairpin, which

735
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: could be very interesting because there's not a massive straight

736
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: out of the deckners to get there. That could be

737
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: actually quite a good and relatively conventional style overtaking zone.

738
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: Then the other being the Chicanne, which comes at the

739
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: end of a long strait that includes one thirty r

740
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: How will that play out because battery power should be

741
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: depleted by then, so do we just get a pure

742
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: breaking move? Is it even possible? I think that's what's

743
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: one interesting element of these rules, and I guess it

744
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: is a little bit of a side show in many respects.

745
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: But every track gets raced a little bit differently because

746
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: of the weighting tracks with the engine in a way

747
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: that wasn't the case with the old rules, where you

748
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: just knew the biggest breaking zone that was pretty much

749
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: the best overtaking opportunity for a few exception. So that's

750
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: interesting to me. But I mean, I'm concerned for the

751
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: qualifying speculating, as you already said, but the race could be.

752
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: You know, we're on a bit of a trajectory here,

753
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 1: or I think we are anyway, because albert Park was

754
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: very manic, partly though because yes the track layout, but

755
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: no one really knew what they were doing there, right,

756
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: Everyone was just having a go racing needs for the

757
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: first time to better or worse effect, China felt more controlled,

758
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: even though I think we got a longer spectacle, like

759
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: the racing continued for pretty much the entire Grand Prix

760
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: opposed to just the first ten or so lapse. Not

761
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: having the badly time safety co gets helped, But despite

762
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: that felt more. There was more breaking zone action, didn't

763
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 1: feel as random, the bigger the pack maybe less so,

764
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 1: but certainly like the Ferrari Battle as an example, I

765
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: thought was genuinely great, really enjoyed that, and I thought,

766
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: I don't think it could be accused of being too artificial.

767
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: Maybe considering both Suzuka's layout style for all the things

768
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 1: I've already said, plus the fact this will be the

769
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: third race, so more lessons in the bank, we might

770
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,720
Speaker 1: get something that looks much more like a traditionally good

771
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: race rather than an unusual or whacky one. That's what

772
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,240
Speaker 1: I'm optimistic for. I don't know if it'll come to pass,

773
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,240
Speaker 1: but I think we could see everything kind of level

774
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: out a little bit more at a track like this.

775
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, i'd agree. Obviously, the more races we have under

776
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 2: this rule set the sheer amount of data and understanding

777
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 2: about how to go racing, and not just from an

778
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 2: attacking perspective, as like how do you defend better when

779
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 2: you're potentially a power disadvantage and when do you deploy

780
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 2: what you have? That's the interesting part for me. And yeah,

781
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 2: because of the layout of this particular track, the part

782
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 2: of the track that I thought you were going to

783
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 2: there incidentally, and I reckon this could be quite interesting

784
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 2: from a bit of a cat and mouse point of

785
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 2: view is the long run out of Spoon up the

786
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 2: hill when you're going towards that final chicne there, because okay,

787
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 2: so right now, do you want to be the car

788
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 2: chasing or do you want to be the car in front?

789
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 2: And if there's a train of cars, particularly early on

790
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 2: in the race, we might see some fairly or dacious

791
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 2: passes that like one thirty hors just become a kid

792
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 2: in a straight basically for modern day Formula One, that

793
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 2: used to be a fearsome, fearsome corner. You did not

794
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 2: have small accidents there. But you might see some interesting

795
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 2: tactical plays going up the hill there, and maybe someone

796
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,280
Speaker 2: will get a little bit brave going around the outside

797
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 2: Fernando a lot so in two thousand and five style

798
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 2: around there. I'm actually interested in that particular part of

799
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 2: the track because that's just been very follow the leader

800
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 2: for a while now it might not be with the

801
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 2: way these cars race, so that could be a little

802
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 2: something to watch, particularly early when the pack's pretty close.

803
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. I think there's still you know,

804
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 1: as the drivers will understand what they've got at their

805
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: control better, there's more room for those tactics we were

806
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 1: kind of promised pre season because it feels less like

807
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,240
Speaker 1: everyone's having a go and more. But you know whoever,

808
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: Let's say Lewis Hamilton understands better how the Ferrari works,

809
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: and Max staff and presumably understands better how the red

810
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: LL Racing car works, and they have their different strengths

811
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 1: and weaknesses, and it works out in a more interesting

812
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: battle as opposed to just everyone pressing the button whenever

813
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: they've got some charge in there and running out immediately.

814
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: So I think there's something interesting in that. So I'm

815
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: interested to see. I'm curious to see how it's all

816
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: going to play out. I do one day, and there

817
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: is a little bit of a developing narrative because it

818
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 1: feels like we know for certain now that at least

819
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: one Ferrari will be at the front of the queue

820
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,240
Speaker 1: on that first lap, presuming they qualify well. Of course,

821
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: does a track like this make we're overtaking as harder?

822
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: Mean that this is their best opportunity for a win?

823
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: You know, I think we've all penciled in races like

824
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: Monaco because overtaking even these cars, I think will probably

825
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 1: still be impossible. So as long as they're leading at

826
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: their first turn, that's good, and they'll probably even have

827
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,760
Speaker 1: a shot at qualifying on pole there considering the strengths

828
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 1: and weaknesses of their car. But could a track like this,

829
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: if overtaking does prove to still be difficult, be the

830
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: sort of circle where Ferrari could maybe target a win well.

831
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 2: And what would be interesting actually is, because of the

832
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 2: nature of this track, as you were just saying there,

833
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 2: if Ferrari can get to the front with perhaps both cars,

834
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 2: how does that play out tactically, Because you know, it

835
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 2: was great that they allowed them to race in China,

836
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 2: and it was thoroughly fantastic. It was also for third

837
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 2: place for the most part, but it was great they

838
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 2: allowed them to do it. But at a circuit where

839
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not suggesting you just have someone play,

840
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 2: you know, someone be this hortise and someone be their

841
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 2: heir here and just go and break the pack up.

842
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 2: Because of the nature of Suzuka, there are very high

843
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 2: probabilities of safety cars because if you're going to go

844
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 2: off at Suzuki, you're going to hit something. So maybe

845
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 2: you can't play the race tactically that way. But could

846
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 2: they work together in order to maximize a circuit layer

847
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 2: that might allow them to get an outlier result that

848
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 2: normal in inverted Coobas the circumstances being the case, you're

849
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 2: probably not going to beat Mercedes on pace right now,

850
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 2: but there's a chance for you to do something here

851
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 2: if you work together, and that's going to be super

852
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 2: interesting for me. If they can make their standard say

853
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,879
Speaker 2: standards happen twice, but they can make their standard jack

854
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 2: Rabbit start to races like they have so far in

855
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, then there's a I just feel this

856
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 2: more strategic and more tactical element to this weekend's race

857
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 2: than perhaps we've seen in the first two and that,

858
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,399
Speaker 2: combined with that particular track, makes it pretty interesting viewing

859
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 2: for me.

860
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: Yes, I think there is still plenty to learn about

861
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Speaker 1: these rules. I think there's still a lot of uncertainty

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Speaker 1: and it makes it exciting. I think the only certain

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Speaker 1: how that all balances out in that long five week

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Speaker 1: break we've got afterwards. But that's all the time we

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Speaker 1: us a ranging and review as well. This weekend is

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Speaker 1: the Formula one Japanese Grand Prix at four pm Eastern

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Speaker 1: daylight time. It's the last really good one for a while,

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Speaker 1: so please embrace us. And then on Monday morning the

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Speaker 1: United States Motorcycle Grand Prix from seven am. You can

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Speaker 1: watch every minute of both races live and adrak Brie

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Speaker 1: to date with all the latest Step one, MotoGP and

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Speaker 1: supercars to us at foxsports dot com dot AU. From

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